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Saturday Picks, Part 2

Juvenile Turf

Take your pick. Morning-line favorite Bittel Road and second choice Coronet of a Baron have a slight edge on paper, but this is a wide-open contest. Bittel Road, trained by Todd Pletcher, is undefeated in three starts but his speed figures are nothing staggering compared to these. He'll hope for a hot pace to close from. Coronet of a Baron missed by a nose to Midshipman at Del Mar and now tries turf for the first time.

Others to consider are European invaders Donativium and Westaphalia, Canadian shippers Grand Adventure and Skipadate, and longshot Vaquero.

The Pick: Demand value in this race because on paper there isn't much separating the major contenders. One value horse I like is Skipadate, who is 6-1 ML but might be even higher by post time. The Skip Away colt is two heads away from being undefeated and unlike many of his rivals here, all three of his efforts have been at a mile or over and on turf. He has made two big moves on the turn and his 94 Beyer is as high as anyone in here, including Grand Adventure, the colt that beat him by a head in the Summer Stakes. I've always been a fan of trainer Mark Casse, who should have this horse ready for a big effort. Skipadate on top and in exactas with Westaphalia and Donativium.

Sprint

There are some races where you tread lightly and others where you attack. This is an attack for me. Why? I love a horse here - Fabulous Strike. Part of the reason is that I have followed him his whole career and know his situation. He's a gelding that has been consistent for three seasons, but has battled illness and injury. In talking with Todd Beattie earlier this week, he confirmed that this is the first time in more than a year that Fabulous Strike has been 100% healthy. And when healthy, he is as good a sprinter as there is in the country. His Vosburgh last out was tremendous considering he ran a :44 1/5 half while being pressed by two rivals. He then gave way to Black Seventeen in deep stretch, but showed enough grit to fight back on the rail before falling a head short. When I saw how good he looked in his stall this week and Beattie confirmed he has taken to the Pro-Ride, I was all in.

The Pick: There are others to be respected here, the Sprint is always one of the deepest BC fields. Street Boss, First Defence and In Summation are all capable contenders. But Fabulous Strike is my best bet of the entire weekend and will be my largest win bet. He will be wheeled in an exacta with the rest of the field. I'll be thrilled with 5-1.

Turf

Soldier of Fortune garners the most respect based on his solid campaign, which included a group I win and last out a terrific effort in the Arc when he was beaten only 2 1/2 lengths by Zarkava. Last year's Irish Derby winner has won three times at this distance, has world-class connections and has the tracking style to win this. I also give Eagle Mountain a nice chance, although he makes only his second start this season.

Of the American-based contenders, Grand Couturier certainly enters in great form. His win in the Turf Classic where he broke the North American 1 1/8 record and earned a 112 Beyer makes him a legitimate contender. He should put on a much better showing than in last year's Turf.

The Pick: Earlier this week I gave a slight edge to Grand Couturier, but Soldier of Fortune and Eagle Mountain are just a little classier. I will be putting my win money on Soldier of Fortune, who has been a consistent money earner against the world's best turfers over the last two years. Grand Couturier will be in all exotics.

Classic

First off, Curlin has looked great this week and is getting over the track just fine. He has been flawless this season and is absolutely the best horse on paper. If he wins, nobody should be surprised. That's what champions do.

But...there are reasons why I will not bet Curlin. A) He will be 8-5 or worse in a deep and solid field B) There is really going to be no significant pace in here which is something Curlin needs with his running style C) Despite garnering high speed figures in his last two, he was not overly-impressive visually and had trouble putting away less than stellar fields. D) Curlin really hasn't beaten all that much this season.

Who can beat Curlin? In my opinion, all 11 in this field are capable - even Smooth Air, who will be the longest shot on the board. It looks like he could inherit the lead by default and might even be in front at the quarter-pole.  Go Between, who is 3-3-0 from six synthetic starts, is also scary. Colonel John seems to be peaking now and Eoin Harty has been quietly confident all week that the Travers winner is sitting on a big one. For all of Bobby Frankel's bellyaching about the Pro-Ride, Champs Elysees is also an intriguing horse. He showed he could get over the synthetics well when taking third in the Santa Anita Handicap in March and is usually near the money in grade I company.

All you Casino Drive fans (and there are a lot of you), there is no doubt he looks terrific and has taken to the track. But if he beats this field in his fourth career start, I will tip my hat and say I was dead wrong. He will not be in any of my wagers.

The Pick: I've had a feeling all week that this was going to be a European Breeders' Cup. I think they will win at least three or four races this weekend, and the Classic will be one of them. I've taken the hardest look at Raven's Pass and Duke of Marmalade. Both are having terrific campaigns against the world's best and are remarkably consistent. Raven's Pass enters off two big wins and seems to be in better form right now than Henrythenavigator, who has been his rival all year. The main reason I decided against him is because he will be trying 1 1/4 for the first time. My pick is Duke of Marmalade. All The Duke has done is win five of six this season - all in group I company - with two of the coming at 10 furlongs. Although seventh in the 1 1/2 Arc, he was right there after 10 furlongs and still finished less than four lengths back of the winner. He has great connections, has looked good all week, seems to be taking to the track and has accomplished more than any horse this season other than Curlin. And, he will be a nice price. I'll take my chances with Duke of Marmalade in a win bet and play him in exactas with Curlin, Raven's Pass and Go Between.

Let's see who everyone else likes. No matter who it is, have fun and best of luck to everyone. Enjoy Breeders' Cup 25!!

36 Comments:

Champs Elysees in the Classic. Why is he being equipped with blinkers? Perhaps to get to the lead in a race void of early speed and not look back? Bombs away if this guy pulls off the upset. Worth a look in the gimmiks too.

I'm playing to beat Curlin even though he's unquestionably the best horse in the world. Hoping the fake surface does him in and I get a price using others. Boxing Champs Elysees/Go Between/Student Council/and Raven's Pass. I'll use others underneath these as well looking for a price.

slyder 24 Oct 2008 3:14 PM

coronet of a baron all the way in the juv. turf.

i totally agree with you on fabulous strike. ive seen this horse run countless times..hes stellar. and when hes 100%..watch out.

i think soldier of fortunne is going to g et the job done in the turf..red rock canyon should set a swift pace.

classic..i agree with duke of marmalade..i think colonel john is in over his head. champs elysees is going to finish second/third. curlin should run a big one..but i just dont know if he can get it done again. youre right when you say taht his perfomances havent been visually impressive.

philly sarr 24 Oct 2008 3:25 PM

IF Curlin runs big, you can count on him being in the top three and maybe winning and what a fitting finish for his career! He is the target to beat and considering the talent in this field I am going to pick HenrytheNavigator to win. With respect for every other horse in the field, I think Henry has something special, too..Good luck everyone!

ChCh Ching 24 Oct 2008 6:47 PM

Tiago on top-Curlin off the

board-lots of money to be made.

Tiago over Colonel John and the

Europeans.

Toughcookie 24 Oct 2008 8:24 PM

Juvenile Turf:Westphalia (hunch)

Sprint: Fabulous Strike

Turf: Red Rocks (soup/cinch/nap)

Classic: Curlin (unstopable, Horse of the Year/decade).

The race for the minor places in the BC Classic should be a "dogfight" with possibly Go Between, Student Council and Casino Drive surging to peg back Fairbanks at the death.  Looking forward to it.    

Ranagulzion 24 Oct 2008 9:19 PM

colonel john then smooth air then one of the big europeans or curlin. curlin still gets hoy and the bad class of three year olds are not bad at all.

russell maiers 24 Oct 2008 9:59 PM

How about the marathon??  I like Delightful Kiss--  

dehj 25 Oct 2008 12:47 AM

CLASSIC is a 1 horse race........

TIAGO........

THIS IS THE BEST BET OF THE CENTURY

BALA 25 Oct 2008 8:00 AM

bet the outside posts to be successful here. I'm keying the Duke over posts 6 and 8-12 in the tri ($42); and the Champs with the big guy, Curlin in exact box + over the field in the tri; #1 slot hurts Go, but I could use him under the Duke and the Champs

Pegasus 25 Oct 2008 8:44 AM

I'll be rooting for Curlin but think Duke of Marmalade is going to win this one. May use him on top and wheel Curlin, Tiago, Student Council, Fairbanks and Colonel John

Gailg 25 Oct 2008 8:52 AM

Classic!

Your all crazy.  CURLIN wins easy.

Mark in Minneapolis 25 Oct 2008 9:24 AM

If Curlin's close to the pace then he'll win. Otherwise, I see Go Between or a Euro taking the Classic.

Pony 25 Oct 2008 9:47 AM

Classic Curlins race to lose. I likeTiago in a upset but not going to ignore euro's Ravens Pass and The Duke. Go Between also looks worth a bet because of his synthetic form.

rowner 25 Oct 2008 10:35 AM

I like delightful kiss too. Sprint Fabulous Strike looks good but curious about Fatal Bullet. Any one have any ideas?

rowner 25 Oct 2008 10:41 AM

Jturf Westphalia

Sprint First Defence, Fab Strike

Must go with Midnight Lute for my buddy Brad, he's crushed about Lute Olson leaving his AM.

Soldier of Fortune Turf

Classic?? Duke

Sort of blah in our bunch, yesterday was like a funeral even though we did okay, betting wise, with Zenyatta and ZJ (Stardom Bound) winning it was fairly chalky.

I have other picks, supposed to be warm today, everybody is screaming Curlin, but if it gets hot on the track, nahh. Let's say The Duke, like Aidan and don't really know where else to go.

JordanA 25 Oct 2008 11:01 AM

GO CURLIN

Soldier Of Fortune

Midnight Lute

Bittel Road

Midshipman

Pyro

Zappa

citicivil 25 Oct 2008 11:52 AM

I THINK FATAL BULLET WILL SHOW HOW FAST HE REALLY IS TODAY,TAKE A SHOT WITH STUDENT COUNCIL IN THE EXOTICS

MARC HALLAS 25 Oct 2008 12:32 PM

We now have a new betting method. My buddy is betting on anything that reminds him of UA, he had Desert Code since Tucson is in the desert. Then Diabolical since he thinks the whole retirement of the coach is just that. I guess we have him going with  Well Armed and Surf Cat (he's a surfer).Fatal Bullet and Midnight Lute, not sure what that means but I'm seeing a pattern here involving weapons.

JordanA 25 Oct 2008 2:07 PM

I am with u Jason,I think Mark Casse is an awesome trainer,I have made quite a few scores with his horses shipping in from Canada over the years,I like Skipadate alot today my self

MARC HALLAS 25 Oct 2008 2:41 PM

On the Iphone, we've been enjoying the beverages, unusual for us. We decided to got with the Euros. Ravens Pass, Henry and the Duke, the track is 147 degrees.

Wooohoo just got our two Euoros in. Not sure where the Duke ended up.

JordanA 25 Oct 2008 7:01 PM

And of course we always bet on Mikey. got the tri, Brad is feeling better, course could be the beverages. Heck we're not even in our box anymore.

JordanA 25 Oct 2008 7:05 PM

Jason, I know Jordy told you we came up with a new betting methodology, worked pretty well but Conduit got us. We had Baffert's two cause he's a UA grad (majored in party animal 101 I think) so we had Midshipman and of course Midnight Lute for Coach O. missed the pick 6 but did okay. Curlin looked just like he did on the Turf. Someone on one of these asked why everyone was saying the Euro's are coming, well now we know why. This track definitely seemed to favor the Euro's. So, look forward to that next year too. Then back to the norm if CD keeps the dirt. So does that mean that the first lady Zenyatta gets your vote for HOY???? She deserves it, SHE is the ruler of all.

BIGHORSEFAN 25 Oct 2008 7:33 PM

Risking a tongue lashing from you all, but I thought it was a wonderful day of racing!  Curlin got beat, but ran a beautiful race-just got beat.

Could not be happier for Migs!  Talk about the good guys getting one!  Wow!  The joy on his face was priceless!  

Happy day all around.  No one got hurt and a couple of longshots hit-Merry Christmas!

Dreamer's Mom 25 Oct 2008 10:26 PM

Zenyatta horse of the year ?  Why because she is a poly specialist ? Has she won on dirt or turf ?  Or do we now give horse of the year to poly specialist ?  Big Brown is horse of the year.  And for the last time Curlin got beat by 2 better horses.  The track didn't beat him a record performance beat him get over it.

Draynay 25 Oct 2008 10:40 PM

I was watching the BC when Ivarone came on to talk about the death threat he received before the Belmont and couldn't help but notice he let one VERY important thing slip when discussing Big Brown!  He said "the horse is sound" when talking about his retirement.  Funny, if BB had that injury, would you call him "sound"????  That makes me believe even more that BB was not hurt, at least not as seriously as they said he was, and that they just did not want to run BB in the BC Classic!

I am thrilled that Midnite Lute won, I've been a fan of his all along!  He was SPECTACULAR!!!  I am also VERY thrilled that Casino Drive came in DEAD LAST, since I never thought he had any business running in the BC Classic, since he really hadn't won anything to deserve it.  Maybe now he'll go back to Japan and we'll never hear his name again.

Curlin Fan 25 Oct 2008 11:52 PM

Dranay

 I will make this plain and clear,GO AWAY!!! BB has no chance at horse of the year why, o because he finished dead last in the belmont, when finally taken off his little pain killers, then ran against mediocer fields after. Lastly, after all the connections talk about they were going to go to the classic and kick everyones butt, they ducked out cause of a cut. Also, don't tell me he wasn't sound enough when Dear old Mike Ivarone came on and said the horse was sound.

  O about your Zenyatta question, yes she did win on dirt, remember in the apple blossom, aginst who, GINGER PUNCH!! That would be 07's eclipse award winning female older horse if you forgot. Lasty I forgot to mention the horse i do best with, Curlin. It was the surface, and some ways i think the jockey. RA rode the race like a dirt race, and that obviously didn't work. He should've ridden it like he was in a turf race where you wait and wait, and then that move Curlin used on the corner, would've blasted him past RP, tiago, and Henry. He also shoul've been the one trying to find a horse to follow, sort of like last year when he followe SS and blew past him to a 4 length win. Curlin is the best horse on dirt, and if you cut out his losses on surfaces that he had never run on, he has and unbeaten season on dirt, O that would mean his Classic and his Man o War. Curlin needs more repect than most give him, i would bet any of you if he had both his classics on dirt, like Tiznow, he would have his back to back Classics, like Tiznow. So in my oppinion it's Zenyatta or Curlin for HOY, curlin would get my vote, though Zenyatta will most likely get it.

LDP 26 Oct 2008 8:57 AM

What a great day of racing for turf horses. Anybody who thinks its cool to have dirt horses run on the synthetics to prove they are good or bad is an idiot. Its a totally unfair Breeders Cup at Santa Anita and if next year I have a horse that makes it I wont send it to the Cup. Curlin is the best horse and was humiliated by turf champions in the Classic. If Im a platform diver are you going to tell me I have to do the springboard to win a world championship? Or a beach volleyballer play on a court in the Olympics? Come on, its totally ridiculous what they did and nobody can tell me otherwise. Its a slap in the face to fans and owners of race horses. I guess if I want a horse to win the Breeders Cup I better buy a two year old with turf pedigree next year. But I wont because I want a Derby horse!!! BC 2008/2009 Hoax!!

sophiekea 26 Oct 2008 9:08 AM

Where did Shakis finish in the Mile.They sent out a search party to find him.The same horse that almost beat BB in that imitation stake at Monmouth finished last. Oh yeah BB connections said that BB was better on turf than dirt.

Curlin got beat by 2 3/4 lengths on a surface that he obviously did not relish.The winner one of the top turf horses in the world set a course record.It's no coincidence the top two finishers were Euros. Curlin is the TOP dirt horse in the world. There can be no dispute.

If Curlin races as a 5 yo he should go back to Dubai and challange the top Euros to runagainst him. I have a feeling they won't show up.

MikeM 26 Oct 2008 9:41 AM

Draynay/// Did you ever hear of the Apple Blossem at Oaklawn on the dirt.So much for your voting for HOY.

Frankie S 26 Oct 2008 9:52 AM

Yes Draynay she has won on the dirt, at Oaklawn in the GRADE 1

Apple Blossom, against a STELLAR field, including Ginger Punch. She's won on 3 different synthetics and as so many say and said again this weekend synthetics are closer to turf than they are dirt.Guess the Euro's proved that.

DelMar is a tough track for any horse to win on, it definitely plays like a soft turf when it's damp. She runs against top competition in top races and blows them away, no made up races for her. Luckily for all of us you don't have a vote.

Tell us just who Big Brown beat in his last 3 races? Oh right he beat Shakis, ummm I think he finished dead last in the turf mile,yep.

BIGHORSEFAN 26 Oct 2008 10:53 AM

Curlin Fan, no true racing fan is thrilled when any horse goes away, no not even Big Brown, we liked the horse but not the connections and I thought Casino Drive's connections were fine. They took their shot, the very inexperienced colt gave it his best shot. He did win the Peter Pan G11, and they let him in, Fairbanks also got in as a G11 Hawthorne Gold Cup winner. That's what racing is all about, taking a shot at the big race if you qualify for it and put up your money. People were questioning why a miler would enter the classic, seems like Ravens Pass did okay for a miler that many didn't think belonged in the Classic.

BIGHORSEFAN 26 Oct 2008 11:03 AM

So much for Japanese training method's. Did the whole country of Japan bet on Casino Drive? How else can you explain his odds.Just another horse from the "stellar" 3yo crop. Not saying it would have made a difference but I think R A moved too soon. I mean how far do you want Curlin to sustain that move?

MikeM 26 Oct 2008 11:33 AM

Nick Zito had the right idea and stayed with it--something about dirt being made by God and therefore remains his surface of choice...Jess Jackson knew the surface could be a problem and tried anyway after being goaded into it by the BB group. After seeing yesterday's results, honestly, how could an American trainer of a good to great dirt horse send that horse to the BC at Santa Anita next year?? Should we just rename it The Euro Cup at Santa Anita?

Karen in Texas 26 Oct 2008 11:57 AM

LPD Agree with you on every point.I too feel that RA moved too soon.Just listen to Dettoris' post race interview in which he said following Curlin was half the battle.I know Curlin is a great horse but just exactly how far does Robby expect him to sustain his move? In Turf racing stratagy play a more important role.

MikeM 26 Oct 2008 12:22 PM

BIGHORSEFAN, I wasn't knocking Casino Drive's connectins, I was commenting on BB's connections.  I have doubted from the time they announced BB's "injury" that he was as seriously injured as they said he was and Ivarone confirmed my suspicions Saturday during an interview where he said that BB was "sound".  An injury of any sort takes away from a horse being sound and the injury they claimed BB sustained would definitely take away from him being "sound".  I think it was a matter that they didn't want to face Curlin and as such, once it became apparent that Curlin was running the BC Classic, they decided that it was in THEIR best interest to have BB sustain an "injury" and retire him.  He would've been healed by the end of Nov and could have faced Curlin at Churchill Downs.

As for Casino Drive, I never believed he was good enough to be in the BC Classic, or any BC race.  He only won the Peter Pan back in May and then BARELY won an allowance race.  He has never been good enough and now it is time for him to GO AWAY and go back to Japan.  Come back after he's actually won something worth mentioning.  

As for Curlin, I was concerned about the BC Classic having been his third race in 8 weeks (Woodward, JCGC, and the BC Classic).  He also has shown that he does not run well on any surface other than dirt.  If the race would've been on traditional dirt, like I still believe it should have been, he would have won.  He is unstoppable on traditional dirt.  I don't believe we've seen the last of Curlin, from what I've read, Jess isn't seriously considering any stud options for him yet.  Unless he improves over synthetic though, I don't think we'll see him at the Breeders Cup next year.  I think he's going to go to Hong Kong for December and then come back, rest and have his 5 year old campaign before going to stud.  I wish Jackson would take him to Dubai again, I honestly believe with a good rest, he could win the World Cup a second time.  

Curlin Fan 26 Oct 2008 1:13 PM

Curlin ran his race,stop making excuses for him people!.like: Robby moved too soon,how could he sustain that run(bullcrap! that's his signature move,he just got outfinished,period.)..Curlin Fan; NOBODY is unstoppable, except maybe the Great Zenyatta,who I think could run on Turf exactly the same way she does on the Main Tracks elsewhere..and why all the Casino Drive hatred?.Not to make excuses but,he shouldn't have been on the lead,he's a stalker.Don't worry,You'll hear about him A Lot in the near future..Overall I thought it was a very form full 2days of racing.

Slew.em.All 27 Oct 2008 2:37 PM

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