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Curlin Retirement Leaves a Huge Void For 2009

The announcement earlier this week that Curlin would not race in 2009 was not a surprise, but the reality of it made me come to one disappointing realization:

Other than Zenyatta, there really aren't many top-tier older horses I am looking forward to watching next year.

With Big Brown and Curlin now out of the mix, we now have the two most popular, and arguably, the two best North American-based dirt horses retired. And that's just the beginning of it.

Some of the notable older horses who have either already been retired or will likely be retired after 2008 are Student Council, Ginger Punch, Hystericalady, Benny the Bull, Midnight Lute, Red Rocks, Evening Attire, Zanjero, Perfect Drift, Lava Man, Red Giant, Tough Tiz's Sis, Zaftig, Alwajeeha, Sealy Hill, Lewis Michael, Dreaming of Anna, Mauralakana, Heatseeker, as well as European stars Zarkava, Raven's Pass and Henrythenavigator. There is also probably a decent chance that Commentator and/or Kip Deville will be gone after their final races this year.

Kind of depressing, isn't it?

At least we have the top 3-year-olds to look forward to. Well, some of them anyway. That's because two of the top Kentucky Derby hopefuls, Vineyard Haven and Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner Midshipman will winter in Dubai for Sheikh Mohammed, as well as BC Juvenile Turf winner Donativum likely going to England for Princess Haya.

Again, thank our lucky stars for Zenyatta.

Before I paint too bleak of a picture, there are still some exciting horses that should return in 2009, most of them females - Ventura, Cocoa Beach, Music Note, Proud Spell, Forever Together and Indian Blessing (Baffert's long range goal for her is the Dubai World Cup Sprint) to name a few. And, of course, there is Stardom Bound, who should only get better as a 3-year-old.

As far as the males, 3-year-olds like Colonel John, Mambo in Seattle and Denis of Cork should improve, and sprinter Fatal Bullet looks like he'll be a force. Perhaps the one older horse I am looking forward to seeing more than any other is BC Dirt Mile winner Albertus Maximus, who is set up for a big 5-year-old campaign.

l should also point out that this year is not unlike any other. The reality of horse racing today is that this is time of year when horses retire. It's the nature of the sport and we have to accept it. It's time for the new stars to make their mark.

However, it doesn't take away from the fact that the departure of Curlin, Big Brown and many of our other favorites leaves a huge void for 2009.

86 Comments:

That's too many horses too many. It's sad that some are lost to injury, some because they've peaked, and some because...well, because. I'm grateful for them, though, because the majority of them stayed on and became stars this year.

Thank goodness for Zenyatta and all the 3yos that will be returning next year to beat each other up in the handicap divisions. Hopefully they won't dodge each other and give us the awesome rivalries we've been craving and missing for some time now.

Justine 18 Nov 2008 5:34 PM

I suspect we have not seen the last of Donativum on these shores, and I hope to see him run here next spring or summer.  I also look forward to Denis of Cork and Colonel John coming back as even bigger and stronger 4 year olds.

And even though he is still a ways from being ready to race, Nicanor, Barbaro's full brother, turns 3 on Jan 1, and who knows what his potential may be?  

One good thing about horse racing - tomorrow always looks interesting!

s lee 18 Nov 2008 5:39 PM

is Dancing Forever, the Phillips horse, still racing next year?

Ashley 18 Nov 2008 5:43 PM

  Yes it's sad to know the horses I've been following all yaer will no longer be racing next year. The fans and the horses themselves are the biggest losers. The fans will no longer get to root for them and the horses themselves because many of their true potentials will never be realied and many could have achieved better legacies. But like the saying goes Money Talks! and nothing else matters.

  I too will be following Albertus Maximus, he seems to be going to have a very good year in 2009. So good luck to the ones who we'll be seeing next year and adue to those who will be gone.

DONNA 18 Nov 2008 5:55 PM

And to add to the void, perhaps the two best 2 Yr. Old colts are heading for Dubai. Both Midshipman and Vineyard Haven are were purchased by the Sheik and are heading for the desert. They want to win the Derby badly! The feeling here is they better use the preps on this side of the pond and not Dubai.

Saratoga AJ 18 Nov 2008 6:05 PM

Your assessment is very accurate. Seeing the planned departure of Curlin in "black and white" felt disappointing and final. He was the one I felt the most excited about since Barbaro. At least we had him for two full years and he is healthy. Of course, in horse racing "hope springs eternal" and a new star is probably already on the track!

Karen in Texas 18 Nov 2008 7:07 PM

I agree completely. I've been looking forward to Curlin's next race every time for the past almost two years. Having him and many other stars gone will be hard.

manowar927 18 Nov 2008 7:08 PM

There will be plenty of new ones to cheer for.Heres to a great retirement and lots of babies.God Bless you Curlin and thanks for the good run!

Tracy 18 Nov 2008 7:11 PM

You can add Street Boss to the list of those that have been retired after Breeder's Cup day. Looking forward to Georgie Boy, Col John, Well Armed, Tiago, Zenyatta, and the Pacific Classic winner all turning for home in the Santa Anita Handicap.  It's going to be better than the BC Classic.

Householder 18 Nov 2008 7:30 PM

2009 appears to be the year of the filly.... can't wait for Music Note to take on Zenyatta on dirt.

Draynay 18 Nov 2008 8:04 PM

tiago is going to stud in adena springs in 09

philly sarr 18 Nov 2008 8:13 PM

Does anyone know whatever happened to Minister's Bid.  I haven't seen him on the workout sheets in quite a while.  He was pretty awesome when he was serious.

freejack 18 Nov 2008 8:15 PM

Ashley: As far as I know, Dancing Forever will run next year.

jshandler 18 Nov 2008 8:15 PM

With all the effort that he is putting into it, I wish the Sheik well in his Derby pursuit. However I must admit it will be a disappointment not to be able to see Midshipman and Vineyard Haven racing in the US next spring. Also it's too bad that they took Midshipman away from BoB Baffert. He is obviously a trainer who knows how to win the Derby. Lastly am I the only one who has a hard time thinking of Stardom Bound with her new connections? It's too bad the former owner had to sell her off. She'll be a force to watch in 2009.

Nevertheless, spring is around the corner and soon we'll be reading a

new round of TRIPLE CROWN MANIA. Right now I have a hard time finding a colt who is more highly rated than our juvenile filly champ. Could it be... Regret.. Genuine Risk... Winning Colors... Stardom Bound?

Old Timer 18 Nov 2008 8:17 PM

CURLIN...valued/appraised at $20,000,000 by Col. Klink.

Now what??  At that price, I'll take two.

I usually write in caps...but I can't at $20,000,000.

NEVERKICKYOURDOG 18 Nov 2008 8:40 PM

Speaking of the future stars of 2009...Has anyone heard a medical update on Charitable Man?

Saratoga Sandi 18 Nov 2008 9:26 PM

It is sad that we have to accept horses retired in their prime and that there are not enough owners like the Moss's or Jackson's. I would be surprised if Music Note was not retired by Sheikh Mohammed and bred to one of his many stallions. Cocoa Beach is only running to boost up her status with more American graded stakes placings or wins, since she is not American bred. It will make her a more valuable broodmare prospect and help promote his stallions. Music Note has the breeding, I can't see him racing her (hope i'm wrong). The Sheikh's main goal is to buy & retire horses, so he can surpass Coolmore as the #1 breeding farm. He is no longer a sportsmen. Even he's caught up in breeding & the pride of running a horse dosen't matter to him anymore. Enjoy Midshipmen & Vineyard Haven when & while you can because they won't be around after the Breeders Cup.

At least turf horses and fillies/mares give us a little more time to enjoy them, before they are taken off to the breeding shed. I'm glad there will be a few left to run next year.  

VP 18 Nov 2008 9:30 PM

How quickly we forget one of the more exciting 2 year olds this year in Stardom Bound. She'll be back next year.

And rather than lament what we've lost, let's look forward to new stars who'll come to the forefront this year. Denis of Cork could step up and be a real star, Gemswick Park, Sky Diva, Hey Byrn, Macho Again.

C Bea 18 Nov 2008 10:02 PM

We will miss Curlin, who was a brilliant race horse and always a professional, but I look forward in 3 years seeing his babies on the track!

Let's not forget that next year we will see the first of Barbaro's siblings on the track with Nicanor!  I hope he has the brilliance his brother did and that he has a longer and healthier life than Barbaro did.  

Rechelle 18 Nov 2008 10:03 PM

  It was so good to see Curlin compete as a 4 year old and

he did surpass Cigar as the all time money leader.The thought of Zenyatta taking on some good younger talent and no doubt some good Europeans in the Breeders Cup Classic

next year is still something well worth looking forward to.

John T. 18 Nov 2008 10:08 PM

As a van driver in lexington I have the chance to see alot of these horses. I've seen Dancing Forever twice in the last month, always happy, always friendly. Was out at Airdrie and got to see Proud Spell the other day, she's already bulking up alittle and looking like a more mature racehorse. After hauling Midnight Lute I am shocked he ever got beaten, he is one of the more immense horses I have EVER seen.

tiznowfan09 18 Nov 2008 10:13 PM

I totally agree about the $20 million price tag. WHAT BULL!!!! I smell a rat and a pay off. This has had me pissed off since I first read it.

tiznowfan09 18 Nov 2008 10:14 PM

Well said Jason.  It's very sad seeing Curlin leave the track, he's practically been horse racing for the last year.

 I am very excited about seeing Denis Of Cork, he was really starting to develope and hopefully he can step up and fill some void.

 With Midshipman and Vinyard Haven both owned by Sheikh Mohammed I personally hope they don't win the Derby. They'll only be retired six months later if they do and we'll all be left searching for a new star again.  It would be awesome if Stardom Bound can come back better than ever and forge a trail to the Derby.

 I'm also super excited that Indian Blessing will be coming back, she's such a champ!!

 And of course Zenyatta who I am now a major fan of.

Brian A. 18 Nov 2008 10:28 PM

CAN SOMEONE JUST SET A GOOD PURSE FOR CURLIN SO WE CAN ALL SEE HIM ONE LAST TIME??SOME RACETRACK NEEDS TO STEP UP AND MAKE AN OFFER, HORSES LIKE CURLIN DONT COME AROUND LIKE THAT ANYMORE, SO LETS STEP UP TO THE MIKE!!!

DANYLSON 18 Nov 2008 10:28 PM

Can you elaborate, Tiznowfan? I do agree, $20 million seems awfully low. And why not stand him at Stonestreet? It's a lovely facility. Looking to syndicate? Seems silly if his value is "only" $20 million.  

Janesville Liz 18 Nov 2008 10:39 PM

I love Curlin and am sad to see him go. On the other hand, I'm glad I don't have to listen to people knock him when he wins against "inferior" competition due to the early retirements of other good horses. It's so not fair to knock the horse because of the fields he has to run against. His 4 year old season was wonderful, but you'd never know it to listen to the commentators of the sport or reading posts on many forums who all say "he didn't beat anything." Winning just wasn't enough for Curlin. Now these same people lament his retirement. Go figure.

gail g 18 Nov 2008 10:48 PM

I will miss Curlin too. He was a special horse. I think he is getting tired and they feel he has done enough. While I am disappointed they are retiring him, I certainly understand their decision. But I look forward to Zenyatta and Stardom Bound and the new crop. I guarantee you, there will be more excitement next year.

Paula Higgins 18 Nov 2008 10:59 PM

HI JASON:

I HAD HEARD RECENTLY THAT COMMENTATOR,(ONE OF MY FAVS) WOULD RUN IF HEALTHY NEXT YEAR.

MIKE RELVA 18 Nov 2008 11:14 PM

Instead of whining about the good horses that are inevitably retired, why not look forward to next year's stars?  Looks like Tiago is staying in training, and Tale of Ekati to name just a couple good ones. Stars always pop up, sometimes from the most unexpected places. That's the beauty and fun of the sport.

Coaltown 18 Nov 2008 11:16 PM

it is sad to see curlin go, as it was sad to see street sense and hard spun go last year but life go on. i'm looking foward to see some of this year 3yrs old come back and the new stars that will beging racing next year. forget about midschipman and vinyard heaven, i think we will have a new star rising like big brown and curlin by next spring. by the way Jason do you know if Pyro is coming back next year.

josue555 18 Nov 2008 11:21 PM

Coaltown: Sorry, but Tiago and Tale of Ekati don't exactly get my juices flowing. What else ya got?

Josue555: I havent heard about Pyro's future. My guess is that he'll race next year, although I happen to think his best days are behind him.

jshandler 18 Nov 2008 11:28 PM

With Curlin not running in the Clark, what track is actually going to step up and put money up for him to run? Calder has a few stakes they can boost the purses up or maybe even the Queens County Handicap on the inner track at Aqueduct, haha. Only other chance is if the Fair Grounds creates a race.

I really hope Stardom Bound moves foward as a 3yo, and will enjoy even further distances. Hopefully she can win the Santa Anita Derby then transfer that late kick @ 1 1/4 on dirt in the Kentucky Derby.

Other then that the horse with the best chance of becoming a good older horse is Denis of Cork.

Muk 18 Nov 2008 11:29 PM

I agree Jason. I am very sad to see Curlin and the others retire but at least we got to see Curlin as a 4 year old!!  I am thrilled that Zenyatta is racing next year and really looking forward to Stardom Bound's career too. I heard Darley bought Pyro but haven't heard if he's being retired like all the Darley 3 year olds last year- hope not! I still miss Any Given Saturday!  I am looking forward to seeing more of Visionaire and Court Vision - anyone know their status?  They are still posting workouts so I guess they are coming back...?

Racingfan 19 Nov 2008 12:12 AM

Hope Georgie Boy and Crown of Thorns make a good come back.

Poo 19 Nov 2008 12:18 AM

VP, it's already been announced that Cocoa Beach & Music Note both are staying in training for 2009.  If you look on ntra.com website and do a bio search on Music Note, it has an article that announces it.  Plus I think it was announced on Bloodhorse as well.

Rechelle 19 Nov 2008 12:36 AM

Janesville Liz, Jess Jackson is considering standing him at Stonestreet.  He's considering all his options right now and already plans to breed 20 of his mares to Curlin.  But he is considering letting Curlin stand there instead of elsewhere, which makes sense since it is after a lot of mares are already booked to their studs, to at least let Curlin stand for a year at Stonestreet.

Rechelle 19 Nov 2008 12:38 AM

Muk, I don't see why a track couldn't create a "Farewell" race for Curlin.  Monmouth created a turf race for Big Brown, so the least another track, like Fair Grounds, could do is create one for Curlin.  He deserves it.

Rechelle 19 Nov 2008 12:40 AM

I think Stardom Bound and Zenyatta are going to be great next year. And I have still have high hopes for Harlem Rocker.

Chris 19 Nov 2008 1:22 AM

No No...No VOID @ all...this is the year HORSE RACING starts its climb back to the TOP of the sports world where IT belongs...Long Live The KING!!!...ps this year isn't over yet???...nobodynoes!!!

Bellwether 19 Nov 2008 1:28 AM

I was just thinking these same thoughts earlier this week.

In addition to watching racing here in the US, I'm a big fan of Euro racing and the losses there are just as stunning.  Gone are Zarkava, Raven's, Henry, Duke, New Approach, and a few others.

The 2YO's colts aren't exactly making me breathless in the manner of the last three Euro Juvy champs--Geo. Washington, Teofilo and New Approach.

The similarities between the US and Europe extend to the fact that both have 2YO filly champs with superstar potential--Stardom Bound and Rainbow View. Of course, the main similarity is that perhaps the US will either have its HOY or runnerup returning in Zenyatta and Europe may have the second most talented horse on the planet this year returning next--Goldikova.

Scarletandgraypimpernel 19 Nov 2008 2:51 AM

Industry and greed again sour the Sport of Kings. Look at all the regret expressed at the retirement of Curlin in his prime. Nothing more depressing and deflating to the racing public than this not unexpected news. In owner spin Curlin's retirement to stud was begun with "I am proud to announce." Better and more real world might have been " I'm really sorry to inform the racing fans who so looked forward to Curlin's performance on the track and I know what a downer it is to them and how shameful that he disappears to the breeding stall in the prime of his career" and on in that manner. Why didn't Curlin run in the Clark ? Is Jackson hoping a track will create a race and a purse that might lure in Zenyatta to face Curlin in the interest of nailing down a HOY title he now fears might be in jeopardy  ? If not, why not just send him off to the Japan Dirt Cup as Jackson earlier announced he might do ?

Will W 19 Nov 2008 3:55 AM

Let's not forget Better Talk Now who will race at age 10.  I'm fairly sure a 10-year-old has never won a Grade 1 race.  While it has been awhile for the old guy, he was pretty competitive last year, even against the likes of Curlin and Red Rocks.

Tom 19 Nov 2008 7:31 AM

I cannot begin to tell you how much CURLIN has done for me these past months when I went through a very difficult time in my life; he gave me focus, something to look forward to, and someone to cheer for in his every race - especially when I accomplished my dream of seeing him in person at Churchill Downs in the Stephen Foster; I went down from Michigan to see this glorious, magnificent horse in person and got wonderful photos. I also enjoyed seeing Dreaming of Anna, Pyro, and Hystericalady - all winning that glorious day.  But CURLIN is the one I will truly miss as he has done so much for me these past 20 months.  I even have a purebred silver Bengal named after my favorite horse! CURLIN truly impacted my life, and I  want to thank him for all the joy he has given me; I will never forget him -hard to do with all my photos of him on my wall! He is an accomplished superstar for the ages and deserves the best; I wish him a healthy enjoyable future in his new career next year and will think of him a lot; with a bit of luck, he might end up on a farm that gives tours where we will still have a chance to visit him like I did with Smarty Jones when in KY.

Thank you, beautiful CURLIN, for your contribution to my life. I hope you get another HOY and enjoy a long healthy life.  Boy, will I miss looking forward to your races and cheer like crazy for you on race days! Long live CURLIN!!!!

GO CURLIN!!!!!!

CURLINLOVER 19 Nov 2008 7:41 AM

jason,

are you looking forward to goldikova next year, do you think she is as good as miesque???

mike rullo 19 Nov 2008 8:34 AM

It is tough to see some of the Big Names leave our sport each year. Especially a horse like Big Brown. I was never a fan due to his connections but he brought national attention to a sport at a time when we need it most. My Pal Charlie is a horse to watch!!!!!

Scot 19 Nov 2008 8:43 AM

Josue555: Pyro is being retired to guess where?  Darley of course!

Adele Maxon 19 Nov 2008 9:33 AM

I really hate to see Curlin retire. He is healthy and it would be great to see him take the route that Commentator has (few races with lots of rest between)

I for one would love to see Curlin run on a SUNDAY. I could make that trip.  Hmm, Mr. Asmussen, wouldn't it be nice to see Curlin run in your home track of Lone Star Pak <grin>

RhondaH 19 Nov 2008 9:48 AM

I love Curlin and will miss him dearly as well as Big Brown. I do have lovely pictures of Denis of Cork and Zenyatta on my screensaver - I love these beautiful creatures too and am looking forward to seeing them race next year.  

Ida Lee 19 Nov 2008 10:28 AM

Mike: Good call with Goldikova. She is very special. I somehow forgot about her. I hope we get to see her run in the states again.

jshandler 19 Nov 2008 10:47 AM

DANYLSON-That's exactly what I want to see too. Hey they created a race for Big Brown so Curlin more than deserves a race made for him. The publicity would be great for the sport being able to say goodbye to him that way just seems right. Hopefully some track has the guts to dish out the purse and not whine about cost. A visit from Curlin at any track would be boost enough. I garantee if he runs again I will go see him race no matter where it is. Don't send him out on a losing note, he is WAY better than that!

Brian A. 19 Nov 2008 10:54 AM

Does anyone know anything about Wait A While?  I hope Harlem Rocker stays around because I think he can become a good 4 year old.  I am going to miss Curlin so much.  At least he ran at four instead of retiring though.  

BittelRoad 19 Nov 2008 11:27 AM

What about Wait a While? I am sad to see Curlin go he was one of my favorite horses this year.

BittelRoad 19 Nov 2008 11:28 AM

Zenyatta should really try for the Breeders Cup Classic against the boys.  

Greg Brooks 19 Nov 2008 11:48 AM

Consider that we were lucky to get Curlin for one more year than anyone would've thought. Watch the elder crop early and we should see horses emerge who will make a positive impact. It could make for a more wide open and interesting division.

The lack of a Curlin will not stop me from following the game.

Alex 19 Nov 2008 12:27 PM

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Was the Classic Curlin’s last race? What is there to look forward to in ‘09 now? — Shining City 19 Nov 2008 1:08 PM

I really thought that Zenyatta should try for Dubai.  I really can't think of anyone of whom she should really be afraid.  Look at the top 3YO and up who will have left the scene.  Unless there is some DeKock horse she would seem to loom very large.  

Scarletandgraypimpernel 19 Nov 2008 1:18 PM

The fillies/mare are far more exciting than the boys these days.  Older stars (Zenyatta), young stars (Stardom Bound) and international stars (Goldikova), not to mention Indian Blessing, Music Note, Cocoa Beach.  

If there was a battles of the sexes at this years Breeders Cup, the ladies could sweep!

The California contigent (Tiago, Albertus Maximus, Well Armed, Go Between, Surf Cat) will be strong.  

Monterey Jazz is the horse that excites me the most ,if he can rebound.  He was a fantastic front runner.   He and Commentator would make for a great Met Mile.

ace 19 Nov 2008 1:24 PM

I am going to miss that big red horse, what a physical being he is.

He may not be in the same breath as "da mostest hoss" or "the people's horse" but he sure was an "honest, tryin' horse"...that's what I'll remmeber..he tried, no matter what they asked of him.

He always showed up the best he could and he never, ever backed down or quit.

It took the world's #4 and #2 horses on a surface that played to their style, to take down the #1 horse...no horse need hang his head for that, especially Curlin.

da3hoss 19 Nov 2008 2:50 PM

Now we know why Curlin isn't running in the Clark. Two reasons given by Asmussen:  First, CD cut the purse a $100,000 and its beneath his interests' dignity to put him in for such a "cheap" purse. Give me a break ! Secondly, the weather's turning bad. Now I grew up in Louisville and the temperatures might range from the 30's to the 50s in late November. This is too taxing on this exceptionally durable and fit race horse ? He withstood the heat of the shimmering sands of Dubai and  Santa Anita  as calm and composed as any horse I've ever seen. Did he even break a sweat in the paddock as he stood there to be saddled with unusual composure ? He handled the slop of Monmouth and Belmont as if track and weather conditions had absolutely no effect on him. In fact, he seemed to relish them. So now he can't handle a little fall weather in Louisville ??? Better question is what can't Curlin handle ? Curlin has the makings of an iron horse, but, hey, will never get to see him round into one for he has to go off to the breeding stall to serve the needs of "industry" and to heck with all his racing fans that feel like they were kicked in the gut by his premature retirement.

Will W 19 Nov 2008 3:57 PM

  I think it's rather amusing that Sheikh Mohammed has to buy himself a Kentucky Derby winner. With all the horses they've bought and bred already what's wrong with the horses over their?

  Long live the Funny Cides and Sacatoga Stables, the claimers that make it big like Lava Man. Yes though they are few and far between big bucks were'nt spent for instant success by these people. May the little hard working people and horses keep winning our Derby!!

DONNA 19 Nov 2008 4:15 PM

Will W: Well said. I was thinking the same thing about Asmussen's reasons for not running Curlin in the Clark. In fact, I was the one who interviewed him and wrote the story. It was pretty laughable if you ask me. Since when is $400,000 chump change? My opinion, he knows Curlin would have been beaten in the Clark and they want to go out on top in a Big Brown type stakes created race.

jshandler 19 Nov 2008 4:30 PM

DON'T FORGET ABOUT TIAGO! HE'S A PART OF THAT STELLAR 2007 CLASS AND HE BANGED HEADS WITH THE BEST OF THEM. HE'S ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND HE DID FINISH A FASTER THAN U THINK CLOSING THIRD IN THE BELMONT. AND WHEN U THINK ABOUT THE FACT HE CAME IN THIRD IN THIS YEAR'S CLASSIC BEHIND A GR-1 WINNER HE LOOKS BETTER AND BETTER. I ONLY HOPE THAT THE SHIRREFFS WILL RACE HIM ON REAL DIRT THIS YEAR WHERE HE'S A BIT BETTER!

DOC 19 Nov 2008 4:37 PM

Janesville Liz: The way I see it, Jackson wants to own Curlin 100% if not to have the entire horse without anyone elses input or...ahem..legal drama...but to aid in his syndicating as a stallion should he choose that route. Now while Jackson is a billionaire, no one wants to spend money willy nilly and so by, shall we say, encouraging his appraiser under the table, a lesser value is assigned to Curlin, hence a lesser pricetag for the tied up 20%. If that is the case I do find it wildly amusing that he is now "cheating"(I'm hesitant to say cheating but screwing seemed a bit rude for the forum lol) the same guys that "Cheated" the people in the Phen-Phen case out of so much money. So on one hand I hate the thought, but on the other, he is gutting a couple lawyers out of money they don't need or deserve so kudos there.

tiznowfan09 19 Nov 2008 5:12 PM

its a sad to see Curlin retired after an anticlimactic finale to an astonishing career. but thankfully hes sound and healthy. I look forward to next years crop including Stardom Bound, Midshipman, and especially Nicanor. (whenever M.Matz feels hes ready for his first run) Plus lets also be positive that we'll see a phenomenon in Zenyatta return to the track and horses like Mambo in Seattle & Col. John who are continuing to improve... who wouldnt want to see a rematch between those two? though Curlin has left the track, as all great horses do eventually, i think we'll be speaking his name for a long time to come

Silver Charm 19 Nov 2008 5:31 PM

In today's economy of slumping attendance at the tracks Curlin has not been given his dues for what he did for this past years Breeders Cup.  His announced entry created fresh attention and interest in a sport which has been in decline.  For everyone who has denounced his accomplishments, we should remember how his name alone revived and sparked new interest in the sport.  Big Brown and Zenyetta alone would never have done this.  His trainers always commented on his professionalism and if you watched him in his races when the crowd was cheering and applauding, you would see what they meant by this.  He always stood proud and tall.

Nancy D 19 Nov 2008 6:30 PM

Track lore has it that Midnight Lute is about the same size as Zenyatta.  The winter meet at Santa Anita will be great.  Go Between, A-Maximus, Well Armed, Zenyatta, Midnight Lute, Baby Zenyatta.  I can't wait.  With all of Baffert's moaning about artificial surfaces I find it ironic that Midnight Lute tore Santa Anita up.  I hope he lets him stay for the winter.  

Householder 19 Nov 2008 7:06 PM

I can firmly attest that Midnight Lute is happily esconsced in his stall at the Hill'n'Dale Stallion barn. I delivered him there about a week or two after the Cup. Regarding his size, he is of spectacular proportion, especially for a sprinter.

tiznowfan09 19 Nov 2008 7:26 PM

Does anyone know if they're going to race Indian Blessing again or retire her?

She's sure one to keep an eye on for sprinters!

Megan. 19 Nov 2008 8:41 PM

Megan: I addressed this in the blog article.

jshandler 19 Nov 2008 9:06 PM

Perhaps we should just look at the horse racing season to that of college football, where you have great runners, passers, lineman and receivers that about every two years leave early for the NFL.  Enjoy the college season and be on with it.  Who knows where the next great Harrell, McCoy, Bradford or Tebow may await as it relates to our coveted sport of kings. BTW, I loved that Great Curlin horse.  Shot wonderful pixs of him training at Santa Anita.  Best horse of the decade and so far, of the century...

BMC Racing 20 Nov 2008 12:29 AM

The fillies are the class right now! Would love to see a Zenyatta/Cocoa Beach/Music Note showdown in The Apple Blossom! I think Cocoa Beach and Music Note are real good fillies, a race like that on dirt would be great! Hats off to John Shirrefs for developing Zenyatta, a relatively modestly priced horse! She really put out in Ladies Classic as she ran widest into a soft pace--somewhere around 55 1/2 sec for last 5/8's when you figure she was far off the pace/went wide...maybe she could try turf as well...but enjoy her while you can, horses that blow by the field time after time/over different tracks/biases--are rare indeed...I think Zen might wait for Oaklawn to resurface---DIRT!...Come'n'get some of that!

Matthew W 20 Nov 2008 2:00 AM

i know for sure that the GREAT Jonn Henry won one (GR1) as a 9yo & maybe as a 10yo??? ...Jonh Henry could have run on I95!!!...Long Live The King!!!

Bellwether 20 Nov 2008 5:59 AM

p.s...it may be a TAPIT OLD TIMER???...but not the filly...Long Live The King!!!

Bellwether 20 Nov 2008 6:28 AM

Actually, I had forgotten about the interesting, hard-trying three year old, Bob Black Jack. His return to racing could prove exciting...

Karen in Texas 20 Nov 2008 10:41 AM

I find it interesting of all the retirments that a photographer predicted at BC have come true.  Curlin was one of them.  With $2 million cost in racing insurance, Curlin's connections will make more to stud him & less health worries.  I will miss him too!  I do hope a Farewell or "God Speed" race somewhere soon.  Would be great for the fans to see him race one last time.  Zenyatta & Proud Spell will be ladies I'll be watching most for.  Larry Jones last year (hopefully temperary) will be of most interest to me.

Carolyn in ND 20 Nov 2008 11:58 AM

One of the key points is how much Curlin increased his status by racing at 4. If he'd been retired after his Breeders' Cup win, like Raven's Pass, he'd have been remembered as a very good but not great horse. Point Given, Afleet Alex, Smarty Jones, Street Sense, Big Brown--will any of these fine horses who were retired at 3 make the Hall of Fame? Curlin will, but this time last year he and Street Sense were on a par: one classic win and one classic second, a Breeders' Cup win, an Eclipse for best of his class, some other nice races.

dave 20 Nov 2008 8:35 PM

That's world record holder Bob Black Jack in this Saturdays Vernon Underwood at Hollywood Park.

Householder 20 Nov 2008 9:28 PM

jshandler! Who  do you think would have beaten Curlin in the Clark? I'm curious as a Curlin fan. I was actually planning on driving down from Michigan to see Curlin in that race and very disappointed at the lame excuses for not racing him in the Clark.  Like Will W said, Curlin has handled all kinds of weather! Like my penname says, I love Curlin and owe him a lot for helping me get through a tough year.  That horse has done so much to keep me focused and caring about something. Do you really think Curlin is declining or getting tired? No matter! I will always remember the wonderful thrills and times he gave me -  especially in person at Churchill Downs June 14. Curlin had a good run for nearly two years. I'm grateful to Curlin for being Curlin.  A professional superstar with the looks to match.  Check my own photos of him, and you'd see!Fortunately at home, I have my very own Lil Curlin in my purebred silver Bengal cat. :-) Every day, I can say:

GO CURLIN!!!!!!!!!!

CURLINLOVER 21 Nov 2008 12:44 PM

One very disappointing thing to me is once again the best 2 yr.olds are headed to Dubai. They hardly even race these horses and most are never heard of again. They will never win the Kentucky Derby that way. I've followed numerous 2 yr. olds with great potential that simply are not given the chance to prove how good they are by being able to race in the U.S.

NightOwlaa 21 Nov 2008 3:12 PM

Steve Asmussen said the track had been closed several days in a row.  Curlin had had no works since the BCC.  I think they had already made a decision.  So what.  If they've chosen not to run him, that's their decision.  When you pay part of his $3,000,000 insurance premium, maybe you will get some input into his management.  Nick Zito chose not to take Commentator to the BCC because he "wasn't ready". Ready for what. . . to get beaten??  For some reason, NZ's statement was not questioned.  Curlin's connections get no respect (note the comment about Steve Asmussen's "fancy statistics" in "And They're Off" video - and comparing Curlin to AP Indy.. .).  As far as I can tell, what will be missed about Curlin around here is the opportunity to belittle him and his connections.

The high today is 35 in Louisville?

Kat 21 Nov 2008 4:37 PM

The really unpleasant thing is how many good three year olds have been retired this year.  Not only that but how many owners have sold good horses at the sales that will be headed for foreign soil and not be raced again.  How many fillies and mares have been retired before their time?  We all know that broodmares do not always reproduce themselves.  We have so much breeding stock and not enough hard knocking runners.  I still believe in Quality not Quantity.  The breeding industry has become over inflated.  It costs too much to insure runners because of the inflated prices.  Accidents also seem to happen frequently to retired horses too in their own paddocks and stalls.

I am very thankful that we had Curlin for an extra year. His potential of carrying on a sire line that we don't want to loose is great.  I can't say that for some who have been retired early and sound.  

Sometimes we have to look back to a time when fewer mares were bred and be more selective how many your stallion will cover.  Then we wait and see as nothing is a sure thing in genetics.  Too many variables.

Hawkeye 21 Nov 2008 8:50 PM

They go to UAE/Godolphin because of the above--market prices--but what is the value of a Derby Dream?! It's one thing to sell yearlings but when you have the BC Winner/when you have the top 2y/old winner of Champagne (smashing winner!) I ask again--"Was it worth it to lose that ellusive derby dream?" Please, please--that others don't follow suit! Please don't sell off Sunday Silence--Please! And thank you for keeping Tiznow. And thank you for keeping A P Indy. And thank you for keeping Curlin....

Matthew W 21 Nov 2008 11:30 PM

I have been reading through all of these comments, and it is importiant to remember that racing is a buisness. Nobody is going to take a chance with a horse that is not absolutely necessary, espicially when you get into these calibers of horses. So, when you fans start pooring in enough money to keep these horses running longer, than you can critisize horseman all you want for not running these horses into later ages. Also, why do they have to be graded stakes winners that you guys watch? Can't you appreciate other types of horses to.

Jenny 21 Nov 2008 11:38 PM

The market dictates what these horses are worth. No one is paying twenty million dollars for a horse right now. Edonomics my friends.

Jenny 21 Nov 2008 11:40 PM

Bellwether John Henry was all set to run as a ten year old--he worked out in 1:34...but he suffered a setback and they retired him...John Henry had (by Far) his best year in 1984 as a NINE year old! He was truly the world's best horse as a nine year old!

Matthew W 23 Nov 2008 6:08 PM

Also, it hasn't been determined that peppers pride is being retired or not right? I mean she's not racing in huge races but she's still fun to watch. And I agree the loss of curlin from the track is sad but like some said before I think curlin knew he was done, and so did the connections.

  Nicanor will start racing and we all want to see how he will turn out right? Zenyatta of coarse . And really that's all I can think of. Stardom bound. And does anyone know if goergie boy will be running?

Dani c. 03 Jan 2009 5:30 PM

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