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Arlington Million, Whitney Weekend Analysis

As a fan of racing and wagering, Arlington Million day is always one of my favorite events of the year--solid, deep fields, top horses from all over Europe, and some of the best turf racing offered in this country. The Million is perhaps my favorite turf race of the season, other than the Breeders' Cup races.

There are also many other big races from around the nation this weekend as well, including the Whitney, Test and Vanderbilt from Saratoga, and the Bing Crosby and Clement Hirsch from Del Mar, the latter featuring the undefeated Zenyatta. Let touch on a few of these and we can talk more in depth about all of them on Friday's live blog, which begins at noon.

Arlington Million

This year the American's seem to have an edge, especially with the presence of Gio Ponti, Einstein and Presious Passion, who have a total of six grade I wins between them this season alone. It's hard to dismiss Gio Ponti since he fires almost every time and has won two of three starts at this distance. He also has run well on both firm and soft turf, even though the weather is supposed to be fine for Saturday. Christophe Clement has won nearly every big turf race this country has to offer, including the last two editions of the Beverly D., but has never won a Million. This would seem to be his best shot.

Einstein will certainly be tough too and Presious Passion is dangerous on the front end if Recapturetheglory doesn't go with him. Just as Well deserves consideration too after coming off a win on the course in the Arlington Classic. Jonathan Sheppard owns and trains the son of A.P. Indy, which is never a bad thing. He will be a big price. As for the Euros, I like Cima de Triomphe the best of the three. He's a horse who either wins or doesn't fire. The Italian Derby winner won a group II two starts back in England and ran fourth to Sea the Stars in the Coral-Eclipse last out. He has been settling in nicely at Arlington for more than week.

The Pick: It's hard to separate many of these, so I'll just give out an exacta box: Gio Ponti, Just as Well and Cima de Triomphe. I'll leave out Einstein at my own risk.

Whitney

Commentator goes for his third Whitney win and has been working lights out coming into the race. Had it not been for the entry of Tizway, it would be very hard to pick against the 8-year-old star. But the speedy Tizway won't let him alone on the lead and could challenge him enough to set up one of the horses stalking the pace. A couple good candidates are Smooth Air and and Asiatic Boy.

Smooth Air has been very consistent this season, finishing first or second in all four starts. He makes his second start for new trainer Chad Brown and should get a nice, ground-saving trip from post 1, and have first run at Commentator in the stretch. He'll be a nice price. Asiatic Boy makes his third start for Kiaran McLaughlin in the U.S. and seems to be right on the edge of winning a big one over ere. He could have very easily won the Stephen Foster. The cut back in distance from the Suburban could help. Dry Martini also seems to be in his best form in quite a while and should be considered.

The Pick: I'll take a stab with Smooth Air to win and box him in an exacta with Commentator and Asiatic Boy.

Clement Hirsch

Zenyatta tries to stay undefeated in a race she won the year before. It's always difficult to pick against her and the race isn't a great one from a betting perspective, but I'll try to make a case for Life is Sweet, her stablemate and the probable second choice.

Life is Sweet was second by less than two lengths to Zenyatta in the Milady in May, then came back to run a solid third against males in the Gold Cup. She will make her first start at Del Mar, but has been training lights over the surface, as evidenced by her huge work on Aug. 2. A cutback to 1 1/16 miles may be to her advantage and if she likes the surface, she could get the jump on Zenyatta.

The Pick: What the heck, I'll take a stab with a small win bet on Life is Sweet and also box her in a trifecta with Zenyatta and Dawn After Dawn, who had the lead at the top of the stretch in the 1 1/8-mile Vanity before finishing third.

Other quick picks for the weekend: Take the Points in the Secretariat, Black Mamba in the Beverly D., and Fabulous Strike in the Vanderbilt.

Good luck to all. Who do you like?

 

 

387 Comments:

SMOOTH AIR !!!! Yeah Baby !!! I take back every bad thing I ever said about you Jason !  Go Smooth Air !  Get that G1 win !!!  That 111 work looks strong to me ! Go Smooth Air !

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 11:19 AM

The heat could be the story coming out of Chicago this weekend.  It might make from some strange results.  Some can't take the heat.  For example, The Liar.

Ted from LA 06 Aug 2009 11:20 AM

Also love Smooth Air, I'll be pulling for him. I'm a bit surprised at all the love going to Gio Ponti. Nice horse, but I'll go with Einstein, especially since it looks like he's not going to be the favorite and might be a decent price.

FSF 06 Aug 2009 11:27 AM

I do not think it is possible to go with Precious Passion early...takes 'em wire to wire again.  I like Smooth Air and maybe he'll be the 5th choice.  Life as Sweet beats Zenyatta???  I don't think so!

ABZ 06 Aug 2009 11:27 AM

Put me down for Einstein (I see a yielding turf), Asiatic Boy (McLaughlin would train my horses), Black Bear Island (O'Brien runs my European yard)and Pure Clan in the Beverly D. After that "pick 4", it's off to Gene and Georgetti's to celebrate.

steve from st louis 06 Aug 2009 11:29 AM

No Ted. It's not.

Tips? Yeah. Eat a good breakfast, go to church before the racetrack, and bet the 3 horse in every race. You should walk out with a lot of cash. Dray uses this strategy every time he goes to the track.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 11:31 AM

Speak of the devil.  Does anybody have any tips for Friday at Arlingon?

Ted from LA 06 Aug 2009 11:31 AM

Love the Take the Points pick! Include Reb, Black Bear Island and Driving Snow for the Super.  Mad About you will lead a European 1,2,3 in the Beverly D and in the Million Gio Ponti will just nip Presious Passion on the wire with Einstein 3rd and Cima de Triomphe 4th.  Smooth Air will just hold off Asiatic Boy and Dry Martini after Commentator fades.

ryanmoseley 06 Aug 2009 11:43 AM

Cima De Triomphe, Presious Passion in the Million

Giant Oak in the Secretariat

Pure Clan in the BEv D

Asiatic Boy, Dry martini Whitney

Fab Strike in Vandy

20$ ex box Life is Sweet, Zenyatta

tip of the week, Tiz Miz Sue on Sunday at Arlington Park. 2 year who has an even better half sibling out of Indian Charlie. Here is your tip for Friday at AP. Bet Catalano and Asmussen

Billy's Empire 06 Aug 2009 11:44 AM

Thanks for the tips.  The church part isn't going to happen.  Religion is the last refuge for a scoundrel, which explains why The Liar would include that in his daily ritual.  He should go to confession while he is at it.  "Bless me father for I have sinned, it has been 18 minutes since I denigrated a horse, and these are my other sins...  I can't play well with others, I only bet chalk when at the track and I can't tell the different between lying and keeping my word."

Mark my word on the heat and watch for washy horses in the paddock.

Ted from LA 06 Aug 2009 11:49 AM

Cime De TRIOMPHE FINISHED JUST BEHIND CONDUIT AND SEA THE STARS IN HIS LAST. IT MAY BE WARM FOR HIM, BUT HE SHOULD GET LASIX.....

Billy's Empire 06 Aug 2009 11:59 AM

OK, ASMUSSEN HAD NO HORSES AT ARLINGTON, BUT HE IS ON FIRE. MAYBE THROW IN CALHOUN AT AP. HE HAS A FEW LIVE ONES ON FRIDAY...

Billy's Empire 06 Aug 2009 12:01 PM

     While I wouldnt mind Einstein proving me wrong, Precious Passion is a sure thing in the Million(IMO).  Commentator, Dry Martini, Macho Again top three in Whitney, Smooth Air will not hit the board.  I like Cat Moves and Flashing to go one, two.  Black Mamba and  Dynaforce to go one, two...

Three guarantee's this weekend...

Zenyatta, Precious Passion, and My favorite since day one, "Zensational"...

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 12:01 PM

Billy: Good point with the lasix...and Cima beat Conduit two races back.

Greg: Presious Passion is a sure thing? Wow. In a race of that caliber, that is a bold statement. You do realize who is in the race, right? Do I smell another bet coming between us? lol

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 12:04 PM

Greg J.,

Can't wait to see if Precious Passion's tail is still on fire!

The Zs should rule at Del Mar but you never know...Someday Life is Sweet's ship will come home...just hoping it isn't against Zenyatta.

Zookeeper 06 Aug 2009 12:13 PM

Gio Ponti,Cima De Triomphe,PPassion

Asiatic Boy, Commentator,Smooth Air

Giant Oak in the Secretariat

Fab Strike in the Vandy

Pure Clan in Beverly D

Zenyatta in Hirsch

Dave 06 Aug 2009 12:13 PM

Arlington : Einstein - Gio Ponti exacta. I love Einstein & won't bet against him.

Whitney : Commentator - Macho Again - Asiatic Boy.

Vandy : Fab Stirke of course!!

C. Hirsch : ZENYATTA 12 for 12. LIS 2nd. Anyone else going to be in Del Mar this weekend?

Lady Ruffian 06 Aug 2009 12:20 PM

Would love to see Just As Well win the million with Gio Ponti 2nd

stanley marcinkowski, Plowville, Pa 06 Aug 2009 12:21 PM

Presious Passion all the way for me, with Gio Ponti coming in 2nd.  

Pure Clan in the Bev D.

Giant Oak in the Secretariat.

Commentator over Smooth Air and Asiatic Boy in the Whitney.

Fabulous Strike in the Vanderbilt.

DerbyFan 06 Aug 2009 12:26 PM

Ted from LA:

Right on.  Didn't you know that it's in the 'small fella' manual.....to lie is to keep your word?

Go Gio Ponti....If you want to keep your outside chance for HOY alive you have to win emphatically.....PP isn't going to pull off the same thing this time because you're going to run him down.

Go Commentator.....you deserve a place in history.  (Ted...with the small fella touting Smooth Air I wonder if that will automatically make him the chalk).

Go Reforestation....hope the little guys (not little fella) wins one for a change.

Go Zen.....keep the fires burning.  Some people can say what they want and they can speculate all they want.  The simple fact is...you have done everything that's been asked of you and you look like the queen you are when you do it.

Go Mr. Hot Stuff.....you're much better than you showed in the Derby...close the gap on your brother without going on the turf so the 3 y-o division can get back to what it needs to be.

LAZMANNICK 06 Aug 2009 12:29 PM

Jason, I am also a fan of racing and WAGERING! Why study if your not going to gamble. I think you are right about PP. If Recapture goes with PP I think PP runs out of gas. Gio is the pick. Jimmy the Greek once said " Winners ride streaks and losers try to break them." With that said I'll go with Zenyata in the Clemente. Pretty chalky but you have to bet with your brain and not your heart.

longwaytomay 06 Aug 2009 12:39 PM

Jason,

    I am ready to take you on again, High Caliber field, Yes, But, If my memory serves me right, The United Nations was also a very high caliber field, It was a longer race, The shorter distance in the Million will set up perfect for Passion.  He smashed the course record by almost two seconds, and was very close to the World record at 1 3/8 distance.  If it is a firm turf on Saturday, Everyone is running for second! Elvis and Passion will have the same ride, Get ahead by 10-15 lengths, Relax, And enjoy the ride...

Presious Passion will win handily...

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 12:45 PM

Good points Greg. Im not saying he wont be tough, but this is certainly a tougher field than the United Nations. Im not sure how you can question that. Im also hoping they wont him alone on the lead.

Anyway, if you want to "try" to get your money back, email me. I hate taking money from a nice guy like you again, but if that's what you want ... :)

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 12:50 PM

    I need to share two great lines about "Presious Passion" from Mr. Haskin:

"Presious Passion, who runs as if he's being chased by demons"

"Remember Michael Meyers from "Halloween?" Every time you think he's dead, there is he coming at you again..."

That about sums up my feeling's on this awesome horse...

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 12:53 PM

Greg: And may I remind you of a line from Mr. Shandler:

"Gio Ponti has won three grade Is in a row."

I'll take my chances with Clement. You can have Hartmann.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 12:57 PM

Jason,

     I am not questioning the quality of the field at all, It is am amazing field, Just see it playing out the same way as the UN.  Who is going to go to the lead with Presious Passion?, RecapturetheGlory? Cima de Triomphe ?, If they try, They won't last, It is going to play out the same as the UN, Everyone will lay back thinking Passion will come back to the field, With the shorter distance, It will not happen...

I also will say he will go off as the favorite by race time, I hope I am wrong on that one  :)

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 1:01 PM

Greg: He wont go off as the fav. Trust me on that one. You will get the value you want from him.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 1:03 PM

What makes The Million so difficult to handicap is that Presious Passion alters the normal dynamics of a mile and a quarter grass race by having the ability to sprint that far [as demonstrated in the UN at Monmouth].  Now, having said that, Monmouth happens to be PP's favorite track.  It isn't clear whether he will be able to carry his speed at Arlington.  I think the turns are more sweeping there which helps the Euros. If he isn't able to duplicate his shore form, it makes it anybody's race. Most horses aren't used to the kind of pace PP will set and nobody can be sure which of them will be able to adapt successfully.  The jocks also have a challenge knowing when to move into such rapid pace. Move too soon and you die..move too late and you don't get there in time. I agree with others that PP will win if he takes to Arlington. That's a big question.

Bill Daly 06 Aug 2009 1:11 PM

Longwaytomay: Taking Zenyatta? You'll never get arrested for gambling. In another life, I worked for DRF in Chicago and half the press box would be firing it in on every race (there is a mutual machine exclusively for the press)and the other half (usually older members) wouldn't ever bet a dime. You would be amazed at how satisfying cerebral handicapping is without wagering. When you make "mind" bets, all you can lose is your mind. That being said, good luck!

steve from st louis 06 Aug 2009 1:12 PM

Wow Jason...Take the Points i'll give ya, just b/c the race looks wide open, but Black Mamba in the Beverly D...? Maybe its b/c I'm from the West Coast and I've seen this horse run for the last couple of years, but take my advice, save your money and put it on a different horse. I guarantee an OTB finish for this one. Not only that, G. Gomez is in an absolute funk right now. Stay away from that guy.

Arlinton Million: Cima De Triomphe will give us a good gage on how good the Europeans are this year, even if he is somewhat 2nd tier. Gloria De Campeo ran a huge race in Singapore. I still can't believe the horse hung around after setting blistering fractions. (I can't believe I was up @ 4:45 am to watch the race on TVG). But he defeated a very nice horse in the process. Looks like a lot of speed is signed on here and i'm gonna go with Gio Ponti. He's razor sharp right now and doesn't need to take his racetrack with him. Hoping for 2/1. Key him with Einstein  & Just As Well.

Secretariat: REB ran an absolutely huge race last time, closing from last in the last 3/16th's into a slow pace to get up to win. Oil Man's got a lot of talent, but I wish Rosario or Quinonez would've been on instead of stone cold Gomez. I'll take REB at a medium price as i'm sure Black Bear Island will get overbet. The Dante field he beat hasn't done much since.

Beverly D: Haven't gotten a chance to look at the Euros yet, but i'll go for an exacta box here. Really depends on Dynaforce and Tizaqueena. If they can go slow enough, these two can hang around for a piece at a price.

Sorrento: Necessary Evil is a nice horse, but I think she'll get overbet on Friday and I'll go with the horse that Rosario gets off, Well Deserved. Last time, REPO, who came back to win a cal-bred stakes was loose on the lead and Well Deserved was gaining but couldn't catch. If Necessary Evil gets pushed, Well Deserved should be sitting in the garden spot.

Bing Crosby: I'll take Zensational over Delta Storm & Talkin to Mom Roo Exa, Tri here. Hopefully Global Hunter gets overbet off his Eddie Read win.

Test: Cat Moves was super in her last win and should get a good pace set-up here. I think she'll be heavily bet, but you might be able to get a good exacta here as I think Heart Ashley want a furlong shorter, and if it doesn't rain, I think Flashing won't hit the frame as well.

Whitney: I've always like Asiatic Boy, but if anybody who's seen his Dubai races will figure out that this horse doesn't have an explosive move. He must be ridden from a little less than a 1/2 mile out and he'll just keep comin' and comin'. If this happens behind a suspected faster than moderate pace, he'll get there. Macho Again always shows up in the big dance. Beware of him. And of course, Smooth Air. He's sharp. Tough to leave out.

Clement Hirsh: Zenyatta should be tougher at equal weights, but hoping to catch an exa and tri w/o Life Is Sweet. 2 weeks ago, Shirreffs stopped on her b/c she didn't handle the track and now a week later she posts this bullet of a work and is ready now?....idk, seems kinda iffy to me. My opinion, she might get third, but i'll see if i can get some value behind Zen.

The Rock 06 Aug 2009 1:14 PM

Trust me Jason, No one can, will, or wants to go with PP early.  The question is, will he run his best?  If so, Greg will be cashing in.  He is now that good.  My prediction is either PP or Gio brings back the Arlington Million and the BC Turf to American hands...sorry Conduit.

ABZ 06 Aug 2009 1:23 PM

Only Rachel can produce amazing races one after another.  To suggest PP runs away from this field is naive at best.  Gio and Cima look tough if I had to choose I would go with Gio dry and Cima wet.  

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 1:25 PM

Picks for the 7-8-9 at Arlington...will have to go deep...

Driving Snow, Reb, BBIsland, Giant Oak in the Sec; Alnadana, Pure Clan, Mad About You, Dynaforce in the Bev D; Einstein, Gio Ponti, PresPassion, CimadeTriomphe in the Million....

Slew 06 Aug 2009 1:32 PM

    Umm, Maybe I will go for a shot at redemption, Benny The Bull over Fabulous Strike?, Interesting, lol...

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 1:50 PM

TEST-FLASHING

Whitney-Asiatic BOy

Beverly D-Dynaforce

Secretariat-Take the Points

SILLY PLAY-MILLION-EXACTA BOX-Just as well,mr sidney,Gloria de ca,Cima de Triophe.

steve s 06 Aug 2009 1:52 PM

Wow, anyone see the Vanderbilt field? I may have to re-think this one. What a lineup!

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 1:54 PM

LOVE THE MILLION. GREAT RACE, MAYBE ONE OF THE BEST AFTER THE YEAR IS DONE. PP SETS THE PACE AND BLISTERS IT WILL BE HARD FOR ANYONE TO CATCH HIM...EXCEPT GIO PONTI. THIS HORSE IS CLASS AND IS GETTING BETTER, CIMA FROM ITALY IS NO SLAUCH..BUT GIO PONTI HAS THAT "MANILA" ATTRIBUTE HE DOESN'T WIN BY THE LENGTH OF THE TRACK BUT HE WINS AND HE IS DECEIVING BECAUSE HE MOVES FASTER THAN HE LOOKS LIKE IT, VERY CLASSY HORSE..GO GIO PONTI, OUR NEXT TURF STAR..

DANYLSON 06 Aug 2009 2:01 PM

Vanderbilt Field:

1 Go Go Shoot Velazquez J  

2 Kodiak Kowboy Saez G

3 Benny the Bull Prado E

4 Eaton's Gift Lezcano J

5 Fatal Bullet  Da Silva E

6 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A

Benny the Bull gets back at Fabulous Strike???

Greg J. 06 Aug 2009 2:07 PM

Steve from St.Louis,

My way I get to lose my mind and my money.

longwaytomay 06 Aug 2009 2:07 PM

I usually don't do this, because I'm not a bettor.  But what the heck:

Million: GIO PONTI over EINSTEIN

Whitney: MACHO AGAIN (though I'll root for Commentator!)

Clement: ZENYATTA (of course)

Beverly D: BLACK MAMBA

Secretariat: BLACK BEAR ISLAND

Vanderbuilt: FAB STRIKE

Runfast159 06 Aug 2009 2:09 PM

Dry Martini will run another big race.

Brian 06 Aug 2009 2:11 PM

Fab Strike is still going to win, jason

Dave 06 Aug 2009 2:14 PM

Arlington:  PP+Einstein exacta

Whitney:  Commentator+Macho Again+Dry Martini trifecta box

Clement Hirsch: Zenyatta, (no question) bet big enough to get some return or just watch and enjoy the race

Freetex 06 Aug 2009 2:27 PM

HELLO JASON

I'm with for the win two of my favorite horses, Zenyatta and Commentator.

Mike Relva 06 Aug 2009 2:44 PM

Wow, that's a heck of a Vanderbilt field. I think Fabulous Strike will lay off Fatal Bullet and strike the win. Although i'm not sure how Go Go Shoot runs.., if he's speed, Benny will win. Although Kodiak Kowboy should sit a heck of a trip. Eatons Gift, I'd like for him to prove that his last wasn't a fluke. That Calder surface is tricky.

The Rock 06 Aug 2009 2:54 PM

Vandy....Fatal Bullet....2nd in BC sprint....he roared in his last and if he doesn't regress he may be the new sprint king this year.

LAZMANNICK 06 Aug 2009 3:07 PM

LETS HOPE YOU PRESIOUS PASSION fans bet your DAY wage on him towin.

steve s 06 Aug 2009 3:49 PM

Jason,

Haven't seen the pp's on Fatal Bullet since the BC...has he run/won on dirt?

The Rock 06 Aug 2009 4:52 PM

Rock: I just talked to Fatal Bullet's trainer, Reade Baker. Fatal Bullet, who started only once on dirt in his career and finished eighth, was off 9 months bc they are focusing on the BC and Dubai in March. They didnt want an aggressive first-half campaign bc of that. He is doing great and will be hard to catch if he goes uncontested. It may come down to him and Fab Strike, with Benny flying at the end, as usual.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 4:57 PM

Dray cant go a day without talking about RA! Let it go and Dray and watch the turf stars this weeekend. Its Einstien all the way he is a beast on the grass!

It aint easy being good! 06 Aug 2009 4:59 PM

Fatal Bullet all the way in the Vanderbilt! Fabulous Strike also deserves some consideration, especially after his recent starts.

Whisperoak 06 Aug 2009 5:01 PM

Rock:

Fatal Bullet ran only once at Woodbine (Poly)since the BC.  (-month layoff.  He won easy in a fast time.  Is training on WO training track which is still dirt.

LAZMANNICK 06 Aug 2009 5:02 PM

I'll take Fatal Bullet to win.

"The Rock". He's been training on Woodbine's dirt training track and won his 1 race this year, that being a stakes race at Woodbine.

Curlin Rulez 06 Aug 2009 5:05 PM

Jason, do you have any information you can share about Georgie Boy?  He has been off the worktab for months.  That would be one of my dream matchups, Georgie vs Fabulous Stike.

helsbelles 06 Aug 2009 5:15 PM

Sorry Helsbelles. I dont have any info on Georgie. I'll see what I can find out.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 5:16 PM

Thanks Jason. I should've put run on and won on dirt. I caught his last race in Woodbine and it was very impressive. Once someone got close to him he just slightly edged away from them again. I agree he could be dangerous if let loose, but I don't think Ramon will let that happen. I've noticed on several occassions that freakishly fast speed horses on synthetic don't necessarily transfer that speed all that well over to dirt. Granted he's got the pedigree to handle it, but i've got a feeling that Fab Strike might outkick him early. Just a hunch really. I'm leaving Fatal Bullet off my exotics. Might be a little too much to ask to handle dirt against a some old pro's like these that he's facing.

The Rock 06 Aug 2009 5:23 PM

Helsbelles:

Georgie Boy had a crack in his right front hoof. He's back in training though, and is currently being pointed towards the tail end of the Del Mar meet or Oak Tree.

The Rock 06 Aug 2009 5:26 PM

I'm leaving for Chicago tomorrow and will be at Arlington for Million day. The Beverly D and Secretariat have solid fields, but the Million field is da bomb. With Gio Ponti, Einstein, and Presious Passion, the field includes what most people consider the top 3 North American male turf horses. Two other North American entrants deserve attention as well, with Mr. Sidney having won a grade 1 and grade 2 in his last 2 turf starts and Just as Well coming off a visually stylish win in the local Million prep, the Arlington Handicap.

The Euro contingent does not feature a runner the likes of Sulamani(2003 Million), Powerscourt(2004 + 2005 Millions) or even a Mount Nelson or Archipenko from last year. None the less, in Cima de Triomphe and Gloria de Campeao, the Euros feature legit grade 2 and borderline grade 1 talent. Having been a star in Italy(where racing is just a few notches below the English and French), Cima has been solid this year on the larger stages in Great Britain, defeating Conduit by a nose in the group 3 Brigadier Gerard at Sandown and then running a credible 4th in what has been Europe's defining race of the season to date, the gr.1 Coral Eclipse when Sea The Stars(2000 Guineas + Epsom Derby winner), Rumplestiltskin(next out winner in gr.1 Sussex), and Conduit(last year's US turf champ and next out gr.1 King George + Queen Elizabeth winner) ran 1-2-3. In Cima de Triomphe's corner is Luca Cumani, one of the world's top trainers. Gloria de Campeao won the $3 million Singapore Airlines Cup, the same race Archipenko won last year before running an unlucky 2nd in the Million. Gloria won the Singapore Cup pressing a fast pace from 2nd and then holding off the run of international star, Presvis. Gloria is trained by another top Euro, Pacal Bary.

The 3rd Euro runner in the Million field, Stotsfold, does not have the class of the other two, but he did run decently when 3rd behind Cima and Conduit in the Brigadier Gerard, and won the gr.3 La Coupe at Longchamp in his last start.

I've been holding my breath for weeks hoping the Million forcast is clear so that Presious Passion runs. Elvis Trujillo's swashbuckling strategy on Presious Passion should bring great excitement and makes for a fascinating handicapping exercise. Presious Passion has such a unique style, and it should place great pressure on the jockeys of the other contenders. Rarely will you see a race with more strategy involved.

Personally, I think the field for the Million is many times stronger than the field Presious Passion beat in the UN. Additionally, I see speed in the Million that should prevent Precious Passion from simply running the other horses off their feet. Recapturetheglory is a longshot, but he does have speed, as demonstrated last year when he won the gr.2 Illinois Derby. As mentioned, Gloria de Campeao also has excellent early pace, and was up pressing quick fractions in his race in Singapore. Mr Sidney has typically been rated in mid-pack in his turf races this year, however those races were at 8 and 9 furlongs. Thus, I expect Mr. Sidney to be closer to the pace at the 10 furlong distance of the Million. Finally, although not a speed horse, Einstein is versatile and can be very tractable.

With some quality other speed in the race, Presious Passion is going to be facing a tough task. However, I will not put anything by this horse, and give him a puncher's chance.  Gio Ponti and Einstein are the deserving favorites, however I truly wouldn't be surprised if any of 7 horses won the race(with Just as Well ranked lowest of these 7, given my skepticism of the quality of the Arlington Handicap).  If I even decide to bet the race, my decision will be based on value, looking to see if any of the 7 are a significant underlay.  

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 5:54 PM

Jason how about the pamplemousse that horse was the truth!

It aint easy being good! 06 Aug 2009 6:33 PM

The Beverly D and Secretariat did not come up as strong as the Million, but they are still quality races.

I fully respect Pure Clan as the Beverley D fave. She was a grade 1 winner last year, and was a very easy and impressive winner of the local prep, the gr.3 Modesty. Plus, she gets Leparoux. Black Mamba deserves to be the 2nd choice, having competed against the best fillies and mares on turf in California over the last 3 years. However, she isn't exactly a win-machine, winning only 4 of her 16 starts over this period.

I give excellent shots to mid-priced horses Mad About You and Dynaforce. Mad About You was multiple group 1 placed at both 2 and 3, and is trained by one of the best international raiders, Dermot Weld. Mad About You has only been competing in group 3 races at a mile or under this year, however she has not finished worse than 4th in these races and was group 1 placed at 10 furlongs last year. Her back-class makes her a definite threat in a Beverly D that does not feature  a Gorella(2006), Crimson Palace(2004), Heat Haze(2003), or Golden Apples(2002).

Dynaforce also has some back class, having won the gr.1 Flower Bowl last year. Since that victory, however, Dynaforce has struggled with slight injuries/delays and rough trips. She has made only 3 starts since the Flower Bowl, and only two this year, with a 3rd in the Modesty(behind Pure Clan) her best result. However, the Modesty was Dynaforce's first race since mid-May, so she likely will be sharper for the Beverly D. On the downside, Dynaforce has run her best races on the lead, but the Beverly D includes 3 other speed horses in Points of Grace, Tizaqueena, and Alnadana. On the more positive side, Dynaforce is trained by the great Bill Mott.

The Secretariat is an absolutely wide open affair. Absent this year are proven American stars like Red Giant in 2007, Showing Up in 2006, English Channel in 2005, Kitten's Joy and Greek Sun in 2004, Kicken Kris in 2003, or King Cugat in 2000. Giant Oak is the morning line favorite, but he has promised far more than he has delivered, and is coming off a flat effort in the American Derby, which was not a top-level race.

The absolute class horse in the field is Black Bear Island, the Aidan O'Brien trainee scheduled to be ridden by the world class Johnny Murtagh.  Black Bear Island was good enough to win a group 2 at York in May, prepping for a run in the Epsom Derby. Black Bear Island was fancied by many for the Epsom Derby, going off at just 7-1 in a race featuring Sea The Stars(2000 Guineas+Epsom Derby+Coral Eclispe winner), Flame and Glory(Irish Derby winner), and Rumplestiltskin(group 1 Sussex winner). Black Bear Island only ran 10th, beaten 13 lengths in "The Darby", but bounced back with a respectable 3rd in a group 2 race at Royal Ascot. In his last start, he was thrown back in with the wolves and ran 7th in the group 1 Grand Prix de Paris, but was beaten only 8.5 lengths. Aidan O' Brien has struggled in the Secretariat ever since Ciro won in 2000, but he has the class standout this year.

Take the Points looks like the American class. In my opinion, the Colonial Turf Cup, where Take the Points ran 4th beaten less than 2, and Virginia Derby, where he was 3rd by a length, were superior to the Arlington Classic and American Derby; Battle of Hasting or even Straight Story would have been clear favorites had they been entered in the Secretariat.

In addition to Take the Points, I give the longer priced Driving Snow a shot. Driving Snow had a promising juvenile season, running 4th in a group 2 race at the Curragh before running 2nd in the gr.3 Bourbon here in the states. Driving Snow was off 9 months after that, but returned with a nice win in the $200,000 Oliver Stakes at Indiana Downs.  Indiana Downs is hardly the cradle of Secretariat winners, but Driving Snow's performance there combined with his back-class make him a logical contender.  

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 7:12 PM

i live by saratoga raceway and know this track. the crew will spray water all over this track before the races but dont be fooled, this will be a rock hard track  (fast) on saturday. look for commentator to be in front at the eighth pole only to have dry martini run him down. saratoga is the graveyard of favorites. good luck to all!!

rjb 06 Aug 2009 7:38 PM

This is defintitely the best Arlington Million field since 2006. The field that year included:

The Tin Man(4-time gr.1 winner), English Channel(6-time gr.1 winner), Cacique(multi-gr.1 winner), Better Talk Now(5-time gr.1 winner), Cosmonaut, Ace(2nd in 05' Breeders Cup Turf), Phoenix Reach(winner of gr.1 2003 Canadian International, gr.1 2004 Hong Kong Vase, and gr.1 2005 Dubai Sheema Classic), Soldier Hollow(grade 2 Euro), and Touch of Land(gr.2 Euro).

How about the 2005 field?

Powerscourt, Kitten's Joy, Better Talk Now, Fourty Niners Son(gr.1 Clement Hirsch winner), Good Reward(winner of gr.1 Hollywood Derby + Manhattan), Sweet Return(4-time gr.1 winner in the US), Whilly(multiple gr.2 winner), Cool Conductor(multiple graded winner), Touch of Land.

The 2004 Field:

Powerscourt, Kicken Kris(multiple gr.1 winner), Magistretti(winner gr.1 Man O' War), Epalo(winner gr.1 Singapore Cup), Sweet Return, Mr. O' Brien(mulitple grade 2 winner), Senor Swinger(multiple gr.2 winner), Sabiango(gr.1 winner), Mobil(Canadian millionaire).

2003 Million:

Sulamani(6 time gr.1 winner), Storming Home(multiple gr.1 winner), The Tin Man, Perfect Drift, Paolini(gr.1 winner), Perfect Soul(gr.1 winner),Honor in War(multiple gr.2 winner).

All these Million fields had at least 5 gr.1 winners.  This year, there are 5 horses that have already won a gr.1 race- Einstein(5), Gio Ponti(3), Presious Passion(2), Mr. Sidney(1), and Glorida de Campeao(1).

Of the other 4 in the field, 2 are gr.2 winners- Cima de Triomphe(Italian Derby) and Recapturetheglory(Illinois Derby).

The other 2 in the field, Just as Well and Stotsfold, are gr.3 winners.

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 7:44 PM

BET AGAINST ZENYATTA AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Mike Relva 06 Aug 2009 7:52 PM

Jason:  "check yourself",you're getting too excited again..hee-hee

The 'Million usually ends up with a surprise ending,and PP WON'T have the same easy trip he did in the U.N,not against this bunch.RTG will pester him enough to set faster splits than what's needed.Watch for PP to start breathing fire down the lane this time.I'll wait til' the post-parade,then decide on my picks.But,Just As Well does look enticing.He's improving,likes the oval and should sit a nice trip with Gio Ponti the one to beat,obviously.A Mad-dash to the wire!!  This also is my favorite turf race outside of the BC,a gem.

Go Dodgers!!  &   spoiled PrinceMichael Fielder is a joke,just ask his daddy.

Carlos in Cali 06 Aug 2009 7:52 PM

Ooops, meant I will be looking for overlays in the Million.

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 7:53 PM

I think that Tizway is going to win a shocker with the light weight... I am going out on a limb, I know, but he is fast and could get an easy

lead setting his own pace...  He is a fast one  !!!!

Mindy C. 06 Aug 2009 7:57 PM

Zensational in the Crosby, but what do you

all make of Global Hunter being

supplemented?

Fatal Bullet in the Vandy, but what do you

all think of chances of Fab Strike?

Always Right 06 Aug 2009 8:24 PM

Gio Ponto, Einstein, Precious Passion

Commentator

Zenyatta

Paula Higgins 06 Aug 2009 8:24 PM

Just As Well's most recent win was the Arlington Cap and a brilliant win it was too. He can handle it. Gio Ponti is good but IMO, he seems to favor 1 mi. Can he handle this? He'll come in well. Presious Passion has the experience (and a tolerable record) but can he hold himself up?

For the Arlington (1-2-3): Just As Well-Gio Ponti-Precious Passion

And I would kill to be up there with my "American-Irish" relatives...watching the race...

MtBFan (STILL) 06 Aug 2009 8:35 PM

Who is Zenyatta and what race is he in ?

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 8:40 PM

I'm going with Precious Passion, Gio and the Italian horse in an exacta, tri box. The top two are two of my current time favorites, so I have a hard time chosing between them, but I must say, I was blown away at Precious Passion's UN win. I felt very honored to see such a great performance in person.

Zenyatta is a given, but Life is Sweet is always a danger.

Fatal Bullet, Fab Strike and Go Go Shoot in a ex/tri box.

I'll also go with Take the Points.

Can't wait for this weekend!

And Go Commentator!!

RGGC 06 Aug 2009 8:46 PM

Chalkfest weekend ahead:

Hirsch:  Zenyatta isn't giving away fifteen pounds to spot the field this week.

Whitney:  When a horse works so well that even Nick Zito is impressed enough to routinely publicly talk about it...all Commentator..layoff or not.

AM:

PP has world-class speed, but I also believe you may get a yeilding track with Fri/Sat t-storms for Chitown...couple it with three straight grade 1T's, and it sets up for Gio.

brettzky99 06 Aug 2009 8:48 PM

Asiatic Boy do it great in Argentina, United Arab Emirates, Europe and now in the US. No doubt, he is a nice nice horse and he deserves a great win...I thin 9 furlongs is the best for him, so come on Asiatic in the Whitney!!!!

Argentina está con vos!!!

Diego 06 Aug 2009 8:48 PM

DRAYNAY:

That remark regarding Zenyatta,she would probably be asking who you are! lol

Mike Relva 06 Aug 2009 9:02 PM

ALL Wonderful horses and exciting races !!!

I'm rooting for COMMENTATOR and wish him a very safe and FAST WIN !!!!! What a racer he is !!!  

His owners and connections no doubt really love him a lot- so I hope he has a great day in the WHITNEY !!!

PAM of Sunny Farm 06 Aug 2009 9:23 PM

I'm interested in seeing another filly run this weekend.  Necessary Evil is at Del Mar on Friday in the Sorrento.  This could be a very good 2y.o.  Odds will not be much, but I look forward to seeing her run.

ABZ 06 Aug 2009 9:38 PM

ZENYATTA is a female, and she is the champion older filly or mare in the entire United States in 2008. I don't normally act as "Google" or "Wikipedia," I want you to look up your own information, but in this case I couldn't resist.

I hope EINSTEIN wins the Arlington Million, but I think GIO PONTI is in superb form right now and just might take it.

TIZAQUEENA, the longest shot on the morning line, is going to post a Beverly D. shocker.

TIZWAY is going to spring an upset in the Whitney Handicap. If it rains, then it will be BULLSBAY that springs the upset. I know, I know...I'm dreaming.

LADY CHACE will get her chance at Grade 2 success at Saratoga this Sunday, and I think she's capable of taking this one.

Hmmm....what else....Oh yes...ZENYATTA will just keep right on rolling and win another one this weekend.

Mike S 06 Aug 2009 9:39 PM

Can Fatal Bullet handle dirt???

ABZ 06 Aug 2009 9:40 PM

Once again, I agree, Gun Bow.  Really nice field for the Million, easily the best since 2006.  '05 and '06 were excellent fields.  Sorry I will not be there this year.  Enjoy your time in Chicago!

ABZ 06 Aug 2009 9:43 PM

Rangulzion:

From the last blog about Quality road's chances at the Horse of the Year, I did not state that speculation was necessarilly a bad thing. I, like all of his here on the blog, speculate about racing from time to time. My real point was that any discussion about Quality Road winning the HoY can be based only on speculation. In contrast, Rachel has already done enough to be a serious HoY contender no matter what happens the rest of the year. Speculation is not needed to make Rachel's case for the HoY.  On the other hand, based on facts and reality, Quality Road must be ranked behind far more accomplished horses like Gio Ponti and Einstein. In fact, if voting was today, Quality Road would likely lose the 3 year old Eclipse to Mine That Bird.

There is nothing wrong in speculating about Quality Road's HoY chances IF he wins races x, y, and z, it is just that Quality's Road's HoY chances are based almost entirely on such speculation. I think QR is a very talented horse, but he must go out and actually win some of these races before he can be considered a legit HoY contender. Until then, well it's just speculation.

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 9:46 PM

helsbelles:

I commented about Rachel's previous success at 1 and 3/16th miles because a number of people stated that they still needed to see Rachel win at the "classic" 10 furlongs before labelling her "great". My point was to remind folks that by winning the Preakness, Rachel had already won at a "classic" distance. She has actually won 7 stakes races around two turns, including that 9.5 furlong Preakness. In contrast, Quality Road has won exactly ONE race around two turns, that at 9 furlongs. So, yes I believe that a horse(Rachel) that has won an American "classic" grade 1 race at 1 and 3/16th mile as well as 6 other two-turn races is a more proven "classic" horse than a horse(Quality Road) with one win around two turns, with that one win at 9 furlongs.  

GunBow 06 Aug 2009 10:04 PM

i say tha macho uno win's the whitney, zennatta win by a nose. precious passion upset the arlington, and kodia kowboy win and benny the bull get retaire.

josue555 06 Aug 2009 10:16 PM

While it,s true Cima De Triomphe

beat Conduit at Sandown Park he was

receiving a good weight allowance and the latter was having his first race of the season.If Cima de

Triomphe wins the Arlington Million

or even comes close then I think the American horses will be in deep

trouble when the real Europeans show up on Breeders Cup Turf day.

John T. 06 Aug 2009 11:10 PM

GunBow you just jumped the shark.

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 11:42 PM

It looks like scattered thunderstorms and 50-60% chance of rain Friday and into Saturday and then a relatively clear Million day. This opens up the possibility that some of the Million, Beverly D, or Secretariat entrants could scratched due to a heavier turf course. The horse I fear most could scratch is Presious Passion in the Million. Trainer Mary Hartmann had been warning that she could pull the horse from the race if rain is in the forecast.

As someone who has to drive a long way to see quality races and horses, it is always frustrating when a top horse scratches out of a race that I attend. Given Presious Passion's accomplishments, his exciting style, and what his presence adds to the strategy of the race, it would be very disappointing if, when I arrive to Arlington Saturday, I find he has been scratched. Along with others, I respect Presious Passion's talent and especially his durability, but if he has to be scratched every time a turf course is less than fast, it would be hard to consider him a truly world-class turf horse. Hopefully, whatever rain hits Arlington is moderate, and given the extremely dry conditions which have prevailed over the summer, the turf course remains glib.  

On a side rant, the trainer who has frustrated me the most with scratching horses is Bobby Frankel. Because Bobby has a national stable, he can afford to scratch horses if conditions are not perfect and ship them to his assistants at other tracks for different races. Often times Frankel enters two or three horses in a race, and then inevitably scratches one or two of them.  This is not meant to question Frankel's training methods, but as a fan it can be extremely disappointing and frustrating. Hopefully, Presious Passion's connections will not feel compelled to scratch him if Arlington receives a little rain, because I really want to see him run.

GunBow 07 Aug 2009 12:23 AM

ZENYATTA ZENYATTA ZENYATTA!!! She's already beaten Life Is Sweet, shouldn't be a problem. Although all those mentions of Life Is Sweet are making me nervous;;; don't wanna see my pick lose!! lol. They need to run Zenyatta against the boys! Life Is Sweet did fine against them, why shouldn't Zenyatta prove she can too??

Zenyatta 07 Aug 2009 8:22 AM

Draynay-- WHAT DO YOU MEAN "who is Zenyatta and what race is he in?" WHAT THE HECK!!! ZENYATTA IS ONE OF THE BEST FILLY/MARES OF ALL TIME!! She won the BC Ladies' last year AND she's undefeated. And Zenyatta is NOT a "he". She's a "she" and a darn good one at that. BTW she's running in the Clement Hirsch. And Mike Revla, that was very funny! I bet she's asking who Draynay is, "Who is Draynay and what on earth is he doing?" hahahahaha

Zenyatta 07 Aug 2009 8:31 AM

      Last year, In the Pan American Handicap, "Precious Passion" held on to win over a gallant "Drilling for Oil".  "Drilling for Oil"(Giant's Causeway/Won't she Tell) was supposed to begin his stallion career during the Southern Hemisphere season at a Peruvian farm owned by Hiad Hamide, Who recently purchased him from from Bruce Lunsford and Lansdon Robbins III.  A career earner of $266,756, "Drilling for Oil" won or placed in nine of 17 starts, capturing three races, including the 2007 Louisville Handicap at Churchill Downs. Trained by Ken McPeek, he also placed in four other stakes, including a second in the 2008 Pan American Handicap at Gulfstream Park before concluding his three-year career with a second in the Fifth Third Elkhorn Stakes at Keeneland Race Course the same season.  "Drilling for Oil" was a half brother to Grade 1-placed stakes winner and sire Dr. Caton, Grade 3 winner White Crown, and to stakes-placed winner Confidante, dam of 2006 Prix de Diane Hermes (Fr-G1) (French Oaks) winner Confidential Lady.  Bred in Kentucky by Gainesway Thoroughbreds, Drilling for Oil was a $270,000 purchase by Robbins at the 2004 Keeneland September yearling sale.

     The Reason I bring all of this up, "Drilling for Oil" was recently taken from the field where he was grazing, He was then killed and butchered for his meat, all that as left of this champion racehorse was his head, feet, tail and bones.  Thieves who stole the horse from Israeli owner Hiad Hamide on Tuesday were still running from the law...

     I am sure alot here remember "Drilling for Oil", I know I do, And, I just wanted to give this horse his just due and this kinda puts everything into perspective.  When and If we lose a wager this weekend, How upset can one really get?  We will move on to the next day, "Drilling for Oil" won't have that luxury.  He deserved better...

Thanks Jason for letting me post this...

Greg J. 07 Aug 2009 10:00 AM

Hello everyone !  I hope everyone has a great Friday and enjoys this weekend featuring wonderful racing around the country.  I found this article this morning and thought many of you would find it interesting.

www.nydailynews.com/.../2009-08-05_trainer_chip_stands_by_his_bird.html

According to the article it seems MANY said his win was a FLUKE win and he would never win again.

It seems the comparisons to Giacamo have already begun but even he eventually won another race.  I guess we will have to stand by and see if it ever happens next year. But anyway, I thought you would all enjoy the article.  Now if you excuse me I am going to sit down and have some of my wifes wonderful humble pie.

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 10:52 AM

Beware Smooth Air in the Whitney!  By that I mean tread carefully!  On our local A.M. Saratoga show last weekend, the clocker said Smooth Air's last work was slow, he doesn't look that great and that his racing campaign thus far this year may be taking the starch out of him.  Just sharing that little tidbit with you.  I love Gio Ponti in the Arlington Million!

South of Saratoga 07 Aug 2009 12:00 PM

I'm rooting for Eistien to win, he's incredibly versatile, courageous, and guttsy.  Plus he always shows up no matter the odds and gives his best, he's all heart with loads of talent.

 Commentator to win the Whitney, the old boy deserves it and there's not much better in racing then to see our older horses excelling and still breaking records!  Macho Again will probably be his bigest threat.

 Fab. Strike to run away with the Vanderbilt, another classy older horse.  I love a horse that consistently has blistering speed, and you can almost certainly count on Benny The Bull to be closing fast!

 Black Mamba to win the Beverly and Zensational to blow away the Bing Crosby!

 Lastly, I'd love to see Life Is Sweet upset Zenyatta.  She's such a tough hard knocking filly who never ducks anyone.  She taking on the monster yet again, she totally deserves this win.

Brian A. 07 Aug 2009 12:05 PM

I've got a medium price play for today's SORRENTO Stakes @ Del Mar today. The maiden MI SUENO. This daughter of MADCAP ESCAPADE has run two solid seconds to start off her career. After her first start, trainer Eric Guillot was had a michrophone attached and told his rider "Don't worry about today, I'm waiting for that big race in November". He's got BC aspirations for this one, and caught a loose on the lead winner (Who's entered in this race as well) last time out. Tons of speed in this race and she'll be in the clear. Might get 5 to 8-1 on her as I think NECESSARY EVIL will get overbet and might get a wide trip. MI SUENO kinda has the same form pattern as STARDOM BOUND's last year.

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 12:27 PM

Life is Sweet to stick it to Mr. Moss for putting Zenyatta in "safe" races.

Why didn't Zenyatta run in the Gold Cup?

Mel Graeff 07 Aug 2009 12:55 PM

South of Saratoga do yourself a favor and read the warning label next time you work with GLUE.  Smooth Air last week had a 6f work at 111.  Does that look like the work of a spent horse ? Geez.

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 1:23 PM

Greg J

Informative post about a disgustinly bad situation.  I remember Drilling For Oil.  Honest horse who on some days was really good.

I hope that a horse lover with a bad attitude gets these ?@$%#.  Let your imagination help with the rest.

LAZMANNICK 07 Aug 2009 1:23 PM

AFTER LOOKING AT RACING FORM,SEEMS like Gloriade de Campeao RAN HIS BEST race ever

Seems like SLAM DUNK TO ME WITH ANOTHER MOVE FORWARD

steve s 07 Aug 2009 2:12 PM

That is awful!!!  I still think of my memories of Exceller and then what happened to him and get a little sick to my stomach.  In many ways horses are easier to love than the human being.

ABZ 07 Aug 2009 2:20 PM

Gunbow,

Word on the street is that the Arlington Turf Course is very very firm and that there would have to be a torrential downpour to make the course heavy. My prediction is if the former doesn't happen, the course should be very good to firm for Saturday.

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 2:20 PM

Anyone here heading out to Del Mar on Sunday? I'll be there, hopefully with a good buzz before I go through the gates to avoid the $7 beer lines...eekkkk! Just need to find that value horse to pin behind Zenyatta. Don't think Life Is Sweet is going to hit the frame. Especially with Gomez who's 4 for 56 on the meet. He's ice ice cold baby. Staying far away from him.

I wonder if there's a prop bet for Julien Leparoux in Vegas to sweep the 3 G1's on Saturday @ Arlington. He's on REB (5-1) in the Secretariat, PURE CLAN (3-1) in the Beverly D & EINSTEIN (4-1) for the Million. Very possible. Although I wouldn't take less than 20-1.

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 2:24 PM

IN BEV D

POINTS OF GRACE to step Forward again

steve s 07 Aug 2009 2:31 PM

Oh my God! Reading your post about Drilling for Oil, Greg J, I thought I was going to be sick.  We do need to be aware of things like this in order to work to prevent them but, the level to which human beings can sink is just unbelievable. That is beyond horrible.

TerriV 07 Aug 2009 3:09 PM

The Rock:  Thank you for the update on Georgie Boy.  Was wondering about him for a while now.  Looking forward to his comeback, hopefully at Oak Tree.  He is one exciting gelding.  

Greg J.:  What a cruel world this is.  I read that the same thing has happened in Florida to two horses found in their fields that way.  Yuch.

Gunbow:  The insertion of that one little word, "more", changes the meaning.  Yes, I agree, Rachel is more proven than QR past 9 furlongs.

Arlington Million is an incredible matchup, my sentimental fav is Einstein, although I have always backed Gio Ponti.  But, think that Presious Passion should excel, if he is all that everyone says he is.

helsbelles 07 Aug 2009 3:13 PM

The Test G1 is coming up and I am going to go with FLASHING for the upset.  She won 3 in a row until walking into a girl named Rachel.

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 3:15 PM

Things are still firm, but there is a good chance of rain over the next 24 hours.  The grass here is not hard, so I think we could be yielding pretty quickly with a fair amount of rain.  Doing my no rain dance.

-Brian Z (Chicago)

ABZ 07 Aug 2009 3:16 PM

Off topic, but at least now there's an explanation for Well Armed. He's got a chip in an ankle and will have surgery. Probably no BC for him.

Tiznowbaby 07 Aug 2009 3:22 PM

The Vanderbilt is why racing is fun. I got to root against IEAH since every time I turn around they are in a lawsuit. Good people don't find themselves in conflict this much.

Commentator will definately have my support. It's a shame he wasted so many great races in Allowance company or he may have been more of legend. A third Whitney will make up for it.

Edward 07 Aug 2009 3:46 PM

Draynay:

Hey little man.  I hope you had a good sleep last night.

I read your article about MTB...you know, the one where "many stated that it was a FLUKE and he would never win again"

As usual, there is no substance to your claim.  The article names NO ONE....just MANY.

WOW...that's really informative.  It sounds like they interviewed you and a few of your friends...all of whom remain nameless, or course.

Quit knocking the little guy.  He's done something before that you've never done...win the BIG ONE.  Concentrate on trying to be as intelligent as most of the other BLOGGERS on this Blog.

LAZMANNICK 07 Aug 2009 3:50 PM

Wow Gunbow, what a compliment from Dray!

He admits you WERE at the top of the heap! Congrats and good work!

ABZ did a great job, but you should have accepted the offer and a second blog could have been out there while Jason was on vacay.

Personally I think Dray jumped the SNARK about a year ago.  To save it being edited out or requiring people to look it up in the Urban Dictionary it means: The moment in which a snide remark, i.e. snark, makes little sense and/or is done just for the purpose of getting attention. Now if that doesn't describe this middle aged guy, trying to be a young cool guy I don't know what does. (nothing makes us laugh harder than that).

So now I think we can just call him Snark the Liar and Greg, Ted et al will be happy, sound good guys?

The article? Yes many at the track also said IT was a fluke that HE WON that RACE, not that the horse was a fluke. A lot of them were backing off that with the finish in the Preakness and how many trainers have you heard saying if we finish second or third to ______ We'll be happy. Uhhh, they stil make the dinero when they finish 1-3.

Also like Chip says, he doesn't care what they say, and by THEY he means the race trackers, not the fairweather fans like you.

NEVER judge a horse's performance in the afternoon off of ONE work, Talking about glue to someone else? \

Jason, I think the Vanderbilt will be awesome, exciting. Lets hope the weather stays clear.

6th getting ready to run.

Shawn P 07 Aug 2009 3:53 PM

The Euros are being written off in the Million. I haven't had time to look closely at the form yet but I am hoping one of them is worth a bet because it looks like the prices could be big. But since I sell about twenty products designed by Gio Ponti(the man) I think i may have to stick with the Swami play even if it is chalk. Besides, with a name like that, he is part Euro anyway.

Edward 07 Aug 2009 3:58 PM

All 3 Euros are playable Edward and you will get value. I like Cima a bit. I'll probably key Gio with Cima, Just as Well and a couple others.

jshandler 07 Aug 2009 4:04 PM

Rock:

I'll be at Del Mar on Sunday to cheer in the dancing queen Zenyatta. The weather is looking pretty good, I can't wait.

Somethingroyal 07 Aug 2009 4:22 PM

Jason !!! I just got off the phone with my friend at Saratoga and his friend in the background has a GREAT nickname for the Derby mud winner.

He calls him Mine that Third ... lol... Mine that Third....lol... its killing me....lol....

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 4:29 PM

Greg J., that is an absolutely terrible story.  I remember Drilling for Oil, not real well, but of course no creature deserves to come to such an end.

On a happier note, Gio Ponti, an utterly professional racehorse, in the Million and Flashing in the Test.  And Fatal Bullet-Fab Strike ex box in Vanderbilt.

Pam S. 07 Aug 2009 4:37 PM

Shawn P.,

     Are you at Saratoga?, Did you see that Tri in Race 6 & 7?, Wow, Hope someone picked those crazy numbers!

Greg J. 07 Aug 2009 4:42 PM

Watching the John's Call from Spa and the #1 is scratched, but who is it in silks?-- John's Call! Don't know how old he is but he looked ready to roll! He was so happy strutting in the post parade you could just feel his adreneline.

steve from st louis 07 Aug 2009 5:00 PM

Somethingroyal,

Blow her a kiss for me. May they all come back safe and sound.

I'll be watching on TV to see her win her 12th in a row!!!

Jason, I know you're bored...but I'm not and neither are her countless fans.

Zookeeper 07 Aug 2009 5:00 PM

Just giving everyone a heads up that a steady rain has been coming down in the Chicago area since about 10 this morning.  Radar looks like it will continue for several more hours.  It is a slow, steady, soaking rain that will likely change everything for tomorrow.

curbchain 07 Aug 2009 5:02 PM

The Rock:

I am going to Del Mar to see Zenyatta.  Are you going to bet against Gomez and Lookin at Lucky in the Best Pal?

Fish 07 Aug 2009 5:14 PM

Sorry to say it is now raining hard here in Chi-town...a firm course now for Million day is less than likely.

ABZ 07 Aug 2009 5:33 PM

MEL GRAEFF

I'm going to remind you after Zenyatta wins Sunday. You're off big time!

Mike Relva 07 Aug 2009 5:35 PM

Somethingroyal:

Yea it should be pretty nice. It was way too hot during the week. Finally get to turn my A/C off for the weekend. I might even get dressed up for the occassion for my 3rd trip out there.

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 5:49 PM

Commentator will put away the cheap speed and fly into the history books. Leparoux will come up just short of his pick 3 after Reb, and Pure Clan win while Einstein gets nipped at the wire by Gloria de Campeo with Gio Ponti flying at the wire.  I'll parlay those wins with the speed of the speed, Fab Strike, to hold off Kodiak Kowboy. Dont forget the chalk in the race preceeding the Vanderbuilt, Game Face, my best bet of the weekend stakes.

cat thief 07 Aug 2009 5:57 PM

GunBow,

I really think you deserve your own blog on here. Your opinions are always well informed and presented in an objective manner. Stop making us sift through 100+ posts to get to the good stuff!

Caroline S 07 Aug 2009 6:13 PM

zenyatta hold the track record and stakes for this race. i also heard that the reason why john sheriffs didn't run life is sweet didn't run in the san diego is because she didn't get over the track good. so i question life is sweet.

secretariat stakes:giant oak for fun

arlinton million:einstein and recapture the glory because gomez is riding and hes the best rider in america.

bevd: dynaforce if wet or gets the lead

whitney: macho again and asiatic boy.

thomas 07 Aug 2009 6:14 PM

The "Bullet" wires 'em.

Wanda 07 Aug 2009 7:03 PM

I am going to box Cima with Einstein and Gio for the Exacta and the try.  I am tired of looking at it.

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 8:09 PM

draynay

a horse with glue on shoes means he has soft feet and he has foot problems. just saying but he had that last year. i dont care if he wins he nice horse to root for. you sound like a big brown fan, do you think if satyed healthy hes wins the classic in a romp ? i think he wins but just holds off ravens pass by 1 1/2.

thomas 07 Aug 2009 8:41 PM

Greg J:

Where was Drilling For Oil when this happened? Already in Peru, or still here? This is horrific, but thanks for letting us know.

Soldier Course 07 Aug 2009 9:02 PM

The Rock,

     Nice Call on "Mi Sueno"!, She looked awesome, Won by 6, I owe you ! "TVG" guys really never mentioned her, lol, Had $50 to win at 8-1, Thanks...

Greg J. 07 Aug 2009 9:38 PM

Mike Relva:

Zenyatta. Wish the race would be on ESPN.

Soldier Course 07 Aug 2009 9:43 PM

Soldier Course,

    Drilling For Oil was already in Peru, Just south of Lima, He was stolen from his pasture where he was grazing...Horrible!!!

Greg J. 07 Aug 2009 9:54 PM

Greg J.

Thanks man. I've been waiting for this one. Put $100 win with a $10 $20 EXA to NECESSARY EVIL. To be honest, the key was the bobble @ the start for the #9. Definitely 2nd best today, but could've been closer w/o that bad luck trip. Nonetheless, glad you got to cash in buddy. Got my bank roll for Sunday @ Del Mar now. Sometimes, all it takes is just one race. Now if I only had more patience to wait for that specific race on a regular basis. lol!

Fish,

I'm staying away everything that has Garrett Gomez on it. Maybe he's not getting the horses he used to or they're not running for him, but he hasn't been riding the same from the tail end of the Hollywood meet to present. And he still gets overbet. I'll keep betting against him on the win end until he snaps out of it.

Hope others cashed in on the Sorrento!

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 9:55 PM

The Rock!!!  way to go on Mi Sueno, she was very impressive and I had the exacta.  Well done!

ABZ 07 Aug 2009 10:08 PM

The Rock,

Good call on Mi Sueno! At least you were objective in your reasoning. I only put a $20 spot on her, though. But thanks!

Zippy Potato Chippy 07 Aug 2009 10:13 PM

Greg J.,

A stud farm in Peru, Haras Cary Gus, lost their two best studs July 16 to butchers. Nine gunmen stole money, farm equipment, etc., then took the two stallions and butchered them pretty quickly. Nothing left but head and bones. Such a sad, sad end.

Tiznowbaby 07 Aug 2009 10:15 PM

Greg J:

I guess you have read about the recent similar atrocities against horses in the Miami-Dade area. That's why I asked. Is this some sinister international killing spree?

Soldier Course 07 Aug 2009 10:24 PM

Hey Rock

Right on....Mi Sueno...hope you bet a bundle....18.60

Good going

LAZMANNICK 07 Aug 2009 10:29 PM

"I'm staying away everything that has Garrett Gomez on it. Maybe he's not getting the horses he used to or they're not running for him, but he hasn't been riding the same from the tail end of the Hollywood meet to present. And he still gets overbet. I'll keep betting against him on the win end until he snaps out of it." -- The Rock

Same goes for Ramon Dominguez on the east coast, but to a lesser extent.

Zippy Potato Chippy 07 Aug 2009 10:37 PM

ABZ, ZIPPY, LAZ:

Thanks for the Kudos. Glad you were able to cash as well! =) Now its onto Los Alamitos and The Quarters. Looking to build upon my bankroll. Got a $20 Dble to the fave in the 2nd. Looks like the speed of the speed @ 4 1/2 furlongs.

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 10:39 PM

I'm still waiting for this stakes race to be renamed:

THE JOHN HENRY ARLINGTON MILLION!

There's a statue of him beating The Bart right there at the Arlington track. It's no secret John Henry put this race on the map. He earned it with his two Wins in non-consecutive years, and a close Second. Come on! When is he going to get the recognition he deserves?!

I'm looking at COMMENTATOR and EINSTEIN!! ALL come home safely...

JudyLovesJohnHenry 07 Aug 2009 10:45 PM

Soldier Course,

      Highly doubt they are connected, Twisted Sick people are everywhere, Sadly.  South Florida is going crazy, On edge about all the killings in the last year, At least 17 Horses have been killed in the last few months, A majority of the farms are in secluded areas, but, Lately the perpetrator's have been more brazen, They should get caught shortly, I hope, They are getting careless and all the publicity is helping...

The Rock,

    Thanks again, I will take those winning's and put it straight on Presious Passion to win.  Easier wager then any exotic, A Sure thing, lol...

Greg J. 07 Aug 2009 10:47 PM

Jason, the Whitney? Wow that's a tough one to call. Of course kinda pullin for the old guy, but Kiaran has Asiatic Boy going well and he likes him quite a bit. Dallas with Macho, and he and WP have teamed up pretty well and had a nice one come in today in the 7th. This may be a look at em in the paddock and see if that gives a clue.

Tim G 07 Aug 2009 11:02 PM

The Rock: Nice work!

Mel Graeff: They didn't run Zenyatta in the Gold Cup cuz a filly has not beaten older males at 1 1/4 on the main since 1968, and that would be a tough way to lose the streak!

I like Gio Ponti this weekend...think Big Z wins easy but wonder why they run Life Is sweet against her as i think she's also a real nice filly! If you're gonna lose the streak, lose it to Rachel, or at least older males at 1 1/4....to race another top filly against her is just plain dumb! I know it's a different owner, but HOW IRONIC would it be if they decide to stay put in the West, and a horse from his OWN STABLE breaks the streak!....

Matthew W 07 Aug 2009 11:06 PM

Hey Rock: Thanks for the heads-up on mi Suerte. I bet her dam first time out, Madcap Escapade, and her grandsire, Meadowlake, who won by 20 lengths first time out for Bert Sonnier at Arlington. Didn't know she was running, so you know I banged her pretty good. She won easy. Oh, and just a heads up to anyone who cares--Leparoux is easily the best race rider in the country. He's going to own the turf some day.

steve from st louis 07 Aug 2009 11:06 PM

Well,

Caught the Double @ Los Al. Didn't pay much, but better than a ripped ticket. Love the 4 1/2 races @ Los Al. The 300 and so yards for Quarters...Jekyle & Hyde deal...

The Rock 07 Aug 2009 11:10 PM

Thursday morning, in the sixth post on this blog, at least I picked the weather, saying I like Einstein because the turf will be yielding. I hear it's pouring in ChiTown.

steve from st louis 07 Aug 2009 11:13 PM

greg j

its amazing what the hell happens down their and how easy it is. he was a horse i liked and i was disappointed when he got hurt cause i felt he would be able to huge impact later on at stud. R.I.P Drilling For Oil.

thomas 07 Aug 2009 11:49 PM

Mike Watchmaker from Blinkers Off doesn't think Commentator will win today. I'm glad he didn't select him,that way I'm sure he will win and as usual Watchmaker will look foolish. lol

Mike Relva 08 Aug 2009 8:29 AM

Wet in Chicago (and hot & humid), I no longer like PPassion, Gio should be tough.

ABZ 08 Aug 2009 8:53 AM

I am going with the class angle and taking Cima over Gio with Stots,PP in third. Sea of Stars looks really special and RipVanWinkle (SussexatGodwood) and Conduit (KingGeorge) have both come out of that race with major victories.

Edward 08 Aug 2009 9:08 AM

Just learned that Gloria De Campeo's internal fractions in the Singapore Airlines Cup would be somewhat level with Presious Passion. 7f's in 1:21 n change 1m: 1:34 n change 9f's in 1:47 while holding off a horse in Presvis, who would be close to odds on in this race. Interesting......

The Rock 08 Aug 2009 12:21 PM

Zippy

Don't stray to far away from G. Gomez.  Looks like he's ready to round into form.  Puzzled why he's been so cold lately.  I hope it's for all the right reasons.

LAZMANNICK 08 Aug 2009 2:03 PM

Does anybody know where i can watch the Arlington Million live??

Our Vic 08 Aug 2009 2:54 PM

Good Call on Take The Points Jason, What a nice comeback!!!

Greg J. 08 Aug 2009 4:13 PM

Vic: You can watch on ESPN.

Greg: Thanks. It was a great finish! You still like PP on the 'good' turf?

jshandler 08 Aug 2009 4:51 PM

LOVE Presious Passion...

     He has to come through!, Dynaforce kept me alive with 2 pick four's and 1 pick three, Passion is my only choice left on all three, He was my "sure" pick, So, Yup, I will stick with him, The turf seems firm enough...Check E-mail...

Greg J. 08 Aug 2009 5:06 PM

Nice job by Pretty Prolific to get up for 2nd in Test, gave me a sweet exacta

jshandler 08 Aug 2009 5:24 PM

I Give Up!!!!!, I was 100 percent wrong on not including Gio!!!   Ugh....Good Call, I ruined 2 pick four's and a pick three....

Good Race ...

Greg J. 08 Aug 2009 5:49 PM

Gio Ponti SWALLOWED Pression Passion just like Bullsbay SWALLOWED Commentator. Both Winners were Impressive.

Curlin Rulez 08 Aug 2009 5:55 PM

Bullsbay???, That shocked me...

Greg J. 08 Aug 2009 5:59 PM

Draynay:

Tell me now that Gio Ponti still doesn't have a shot at HOY.  He took the lead at the top of the stretch like he was going to run away, but he didn't.  Then when it looked like he might be looking at a third place finish he dug in and showed his CLASS.

Einstein hads no excuse.  He was beside Gio but couldn’t go with him.  His slim chance for HOY before the race is even slimmer now.

Just watched the Whitney:

I told you the Hdcp. Division doesn’t have a lot of depth.  The longest shot on the board wins and the grand old man gave it all he had.  Smooth Air definitely had no excuse.  He proved again that he’s a rung below G-1 status just like he did in the Met Mile.  Still, he gave it his best.

Macho Again was coming hard, but that’s his style.  He gave it a good shot and might have been intimidated by Commentator when that one switched lanes, but that’s not enough of an excuse.  YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN EXCUSES ANYWAY, DO YOU DRAY.

Also, Jeremy Rose is one of the most under rated jocks in racing today.  Good for him.

LAZMANNICK 08 Aug 2009 6:06 PM

Great day for the Tiznows. Bullsbay first -- how did Smooth Air work out for you Dray? Sure did flatter BB today.

Tizbig fourth, then Tizaqueena fourth in the Bev D.

Tiznowbaby 08 Aug 2009 6:22 PM

Well, I picked Gio Ponti, got that one right. He is something else. Feel bad about Commentator but the old boy just couldn't get this one. Now tomorrow for Queen Zenyatta. Here's hoping for 12. I don't think Life Is Sweet will beat her.

Interesting that the ESPN guys think that Rachel is up there with Ruffian as the greatest filly of all time.

Paula Higgins 08 Aug 2009 6:22 PM

Greg,

Don't take PP's poor effort too hard...he needs it firm.  I got off him completely because of the course condition.  I had the Superfecta if Stotsfold had been first or second as I boxed him with Gio Ponti in the first two spots.  Ugghhh!!!  So close.  Oh well that's gambling.

ABZ 08 Aug 2009 6:44 PM

Flashing becomes yet another horse to get swamped by Rachel Alexandra and come back to win a nice race.  Flatters her and bodes well for Summer Bird in the Travers.

ABZ 08 Aug 2009 6:48 PM

Leparoux is one of the best jockeys out there, but today his ride on Pure Clan was...not so good.

ABZ 08 Aug 2009 6:49 PM

Jason

Tips? Yeah. Eat a good breakfast, go to church before the racetrack, and bet the 3 horse in every race. You should walk out with a lot of cash. Dray uses this strategy every time he goes to the track.

jshandler 06 Aug 2009 11:31 AM

Looking at your tips.....

3 Bullsbay  $39.60  $12.00  $5.80  

LAZMANNICK 08 Aug 2009 6:55 PM

Two horse that Rachel Alexandra laid waste to came back and won Grade 1 races this weekend - Flashing and Take the Points. What's that about the "weak" fields she's been facing!?

Zevida 08 Aug 2009 7:08 PM

Jason

Forgot to say super ex in the Million

LAZMANNICK 08 Aug 2009 7:32 PM

That's a tough beat ABZ. Just as Well helped me to a small exacta, but would have been nicer for you with a huge super. Sorry.

Gio is the real deal. Rachel hasnt won HOY yet!

jshandler 08 Aug 2009 7:33 PM

Thanks Lazmannick. I was due for a decent day :)

jshandler 08 Aug 2009 7:36 PM

Congrats to the blogger who bred Take The Points. Sorry I forgot your name but what a thrill it must have been for you. Do you still have the mare?

Wanda 08 Aug 2009 8:20 PM

Other than her stablemate, I see Zenyatta is running against another tough field of allowance caliber mares again in the Hirsh.

Saratoga AJ 08 Aug 2009 8:21 PM

I have a few words for you.  Take The Points and Dynaforce.  Thank you!

Smooth Air either got the worst ride ever or they were setting him up for the Forego.  Rushing up near the lead with Commentator was something no one on the planet saw coming but maybe it was for the Forego.  We will see.

Gio Ponti has had a wonderful year. Not a perfect one but a great year still.  But no LAZMMANICK he won't be beating Rachel for HOY.

Zevida you took the words right out of my mouth. Flashing was amazing and now a G1 winner. The Mother Goose was anything but weak.

Macho Again has nothing to be ashamed of.  His jockey should have followed Bullsbay and not circled him wide. It may have cost him the race.

Jason... 2nd race Calder the 4.... thank you thank you.

I think Precious Passion is still running.

Is Mine That Third really going to the Travers ?

Somebody please tell me when SHE BE WILD runs again ...... wow !

Draynay 08 Aug 2009 8:27 PM

The wins of Flashing and Take the Points today says a lot about how good Rachel Alexandra is. She had no problems beating either of them.

AnneM 08 Aug 2009 8:31 PM

    OK, I am going to close my wallet and just sit back and watch the Speed Demon, "Zensational"...

ABZ,

    After all these years, I should have known better and pulled back on Passion, But, That is the reason I still have a day job, lol...

Jason,

    Congrats on your good day...I should have waited and taken Benny the Bull, lol...

Greg J. 08 Aug 2009 8:37 PM

Yup Jason,I also had the 'Million exacta.As I stated yesterday,I really liked how Just As Well was coming-up to the race,and Gio' was the one to beat for sure. Good thing I pounded them in my box! I knew PP would give it up down the lane against this bunch,that's why he was a complete toss for me.

You have to take the good with the bad in this game,that's for damn sure....And you're right Gio' is having a HOY type campaign.If he wins-out including a win in the BC Turf against the Euros,that should trump anything RA does the rest of the year.Champions show-up for the Championship.

Carlos in Cali 08 Aug 2009 8:41 PM

I echo Carlos in Cali---Gio Ponti wins the Classic he's HOY---and why not?...As for Rachel being the best--too early! I tell you what, she's within "striking distance"!

Matthew W 08 Aug 2009 9:58 PM

draynay

i saw she be wild and now i think she can be the real deal. you had to like flashing when she is a sprinter and not a router i think shes undefeated at 7 furlongs. i think macho again got screwed when commentator came out on him. bulls bay why didnt i have him i dont know.

gio ponti has to be in the running for hoty.

thomas 08 Aug 2009 9:58 PM

Draynay, ITA I don't see Gio Ponti taking HOTY from Rachel. Her wins have been more impressive. QR is the only one I think that can do it and I really don't think it's likely.

Paula Higgins 08 Aug 2009 10:35 PM

I heard my buddy Jas is taking September off and leaving dray in charge of the blog.  Any truth to the rumor?

Art 08 Aug 2009 10:57 PM

Mike R,

    Hey i sent you an e-mail a couple days ago and was just wondering if you got it. I'm hoping you did. If you didn't i can re-send it if you'd like.

LDP 08 Aug 2009 11:08 PM

Why was Bullsbay the longest shot on the board? He's been doing very well this year. It was a good race & I loved that a Tiznow won it. Speaking of Tiznows, Mr. Hot Stuff ran yesterday and it looks like maybe he's getting discouraged. He was wound up before the race, then settled down in the race, but reacted badly when he was whipped. I think they need to try something different with him because doing the same thing over and over doesn't seem to be working. Maybe turf like his brother?

Karen in Indiana 08 Aug 2009 11:14 PM

Wanda---Yes, I thought the same thing about the breeder of Take The Points--they must have been ecstatic! He really fought all the way! I think the blogger was/is phoenixky1. Phoenixky1, congratulations from me as well!

Karen in Texas 08 Aug 2009 11:47 PM

I'm surprised Bullsbay's win was considered a "huge" upset. He was 18-1, not 99-1, and if you look at his previous dirt tries, he definitely was overlooked. Good on him. He ran well.

I wonder how Merchant Marine would have developed if he'd been allowed to stay in the United States.

Tiznowbaby 09 Aug 2009 12:42 AM

The Snark hey?  Hmm can think of some even less complimentary names but perhaps not so The sarky snark will do very well!

ZENYATTA!!!!!!!  The dancing Queen will hopefully waltz home!

Mine that Bird ought to win another big one.  He is brave, tries hard and if he stays sound could be around for many years to come!

Dahlia's record far more impressive than RA's!  see Steve Haskin's blog about her!

She was even prettier too!  So put that in your pipe and smoke it sarky snark!

SEA THE CHAMP is still a contender for HOY if he continues his merry way! Hope he does but wish they would run him in the ST LEGER then we WOULD have a TRIPLE CROWN winner, God willing!  SEA THE STARS is the real deal!

Right I am going to watch a bit of ATR then go on Facebook then watch Racing Live on ATR! SKY 415! Go Asset go at Deauville for GODOLPHIN!

The sarky snark will not like this but I really do not care!!!!!!

God Bless the sane bloggers and Jason

Best wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 09 Aug 2009 7:20 AM

smooth air dead last oh my another great pick from dray

capper 09 Aug 2009 8:52 AM

Rachel's competition:

Take the Points.....turf, not dirt, definitely a different horse then on dirt.  Great and gritty race for him.

Flashing.....Totally different tactics then pushing a suicide pace in a 1 1-/8M race with the 6-F in 1.08.4.  Maybe a better sprinter than a router?  Only 4 0f the 8 coming off wins in a G-1 race.  ANOTHER STELLAR GROUP???

DRAYNAY:

You’re making excuses for Macho Again…..Why?   He had every chance, just didn’t get the job done.  We’re only looking at a six horse field and your other two stalwarts were at the other end of the chart.  Too bad they didn’t have exactor betting for those astute handicappers that can manage to pick the last two in a race instead of the first two.

Smooth Air:   Yeah, that’s the answer…..he’s using the Whitney as a tune-up for the Forego.  Now why didn’t I think of that?

Gio Point:  What’s that now….four G-1’s in a row against TOUGH COMPETITION?  Yeah, I guess we should toss him out of the HOY race.

As for MINE THAT THIRD…..we just saw a jockey today that would fit him perfectly..…..one of the most under-rated jocks on the planet…..JEREMY ROSE.

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 8:58 AM

Paula,

    I agree that if QR can take the award from her, but as GunGow stated before, so far QR has a lot of work to do to catch up. He would not only have to win the Travers, but the JCGC and Classic as well, and all of those are some big if's. Gio Ponti has prove so far no matter the distance he can run his race, from 1 mile to 11 furlongs he can run it. He like RA has stringed togeather four grade ones in a row. On turf your not going to see spectacular finishes and romps like on dirt. Gio Ponti has done nothing wrong this year and is probably America's best hope against Europe. Now all he has to do is win the Turf or the Classic and he'll be a big presence for HOTY. If he won the Classic he would probably win the title. As of now Gio has the best logical chance to beat RA, QR could do it, but he would have to do a lot in order to do it.

LDP 09 Aug 2009 9:40 AM

The wins of Flashing and Take the Points, in my opinion, do not imply anything about Rachel Alexandra's talent, because one won at a very different distance from when she faced Rachel, and the other has switched surfaces and appears to be a better horse now that he's on turf. Also, these horses were both beaten by others in their races against Rachel, and it would seem silly to say that these wins validate Malibu Prayer and Flying Private,  for instance. These horses, I believe, did not run to their full potential against Rachel Alexandra, which means they can't be used to validate her performances. I'm not saying her wins weren't impressive, that she always faces weak fields, or anything like that, I just think these particular horses cannot be used fairly in evaluating said performances.

Citation 09 Aug 2009 9:54 AM

"SMOOTH AIR !!!! Yeah Baby !!!

Go Smooth Air !  Get that G1 win !!!  

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 11:19 AM

News flash, Whitney results, smooth air DEAD LAST!! smooth air is not, never has been, or never will be a G1 caliber horse. He's definitely not a router. In all his races over 1 mile he's drifted or lugged in approaching the finish. He lost a restricted minor stakes of 75k earlier in the year. I've seen him run 1:34 miles but it doesn't mean so much when you still get beat. Heck I've seen many minor stakes winners run those times. He's not got the heart. His biggest win was the 2008 Ohio Derby listed as G2 but of claiming or allowance quality and run in pedestrian time. Yesterdays Whitney further exposed last years 3 yr olds (most noticeably Macho Man and smooth air) as much improved over when big brown faced them but woefully lacking in  class even after a year of maturity. Einstein's horrible Million indicates he was a horse in decline when Macho Man barely beat him only because he was shut off in the stretch. Bring back Curlin, he'd still beat them all!!

draynot 09 Aug 2009 10:21 AM

The Rock:

I am so happy the temps have come down. I live inland and we had  mid 90's for most of the week. I'll be somewhere in the crowd with my camera in tow. Enjoy!

Somethingroyal 09 Aug 2009 10:31 AM

Gio Ponti will be the hands down winner of HOY if he wins out including the Br Cup Turf.

I totally agree with Hank Goldberg who stated that RA needs to beat the best 3 yr old colt (meaning Quality Road) and older mare (including Zenyatta) for her to be HOY. Beating the second string or whoever was left should never get you HOY. I hope the connections of RA do not go the way of big brown and duck the best out there hoping to hang on just enough to get the votes needed. Go after Quality Road and Zenyatta!! Like everyone else I want to see it. She's good enough to beat them all so why duck them? RA has had an incredible year don't leave the racing world wondering what could have been.

schabelli 09 Aug 2009 10:32 AM

thomas I am not worried about a 4 out of 5 win Gio taking over HOY from a 7 for 7 Rachel. Quality Road would ONLY have a slim chance IF he followed her to the Woodward.

Draynay 09 Aug 2009 10:43 AM

Great races, all, but, did anyone have either the exacta or the super in the 12th race at Arlington?  Love it - a 25 thou claimer on grass - Exacta paid over 29 thou.

But, yes, that green running Z Youngin' can fly - Interesting tie in with his winning the Triple Bend as the first 3 year old since the '84 win by Debonaire Roger.  The tie in is the phantom plunging show bet, yesterday at DM for the Z guy.  Someone plunked down 100 grand. I saw a similar early bird bet on Debonaire Roger at SA in a five horse field.  This bet was part of 7 successful 100 granders for some plunger at the SA meet.  Then, he blew it by plunging on Adored, who was coming off a six month layoff and was placed in a contentious 8 filly and mare field of other Grade I winners.  Adored ran 5th and I never saw another early 100 grander the rest of the year.

berttheclock 09 Aug 2009 10:56 AM

IRONIC--That Jerry Moss was the ONLY voting member or the Cal Racing Board who did NOT vote for the synthetics--yet he gets the heat for keeping Big Z on them--hey, he's a Cali guy! Where's the heat for Jess for keeping his filly out of the so-called championship event?

Matthew W 09 Aug 2009 2:01 PM

Lazmannick, I was watching the races on ESPN and then turned in time to catch the last half of the Whitney. After the race was over, the jockey on Bullsbay reached over and patted him on the neck. A lot of jockeys do that, but then the jockey (didn't know yet who it was) reached up and was scratching him under the mane and I thought - this is a guy who really likes horses, I wish he was the jockey for MTB. I even backed up the DVR to watch that part of the race again to see how he rode him and was impressed. I was surprised when I found out it was Jeremy Rose. The incident with the whip last year had really turned me off of him, but he seems to have learned something from that. Didn't he have to take anger management classes?

Karen in Indiana 09 Aug 2009 5:44 PM

Moss should get no extra credit for voting no to synthetics. If he really felt so strongly he shouldn't race so many of his top horses on it. That is what we call hypocricy. He votes no, but then still he races there and supports them. I know he's a native to CA and still lives there, but that doesn't mean you required to race there all the time, he could travel to other races. Just because a horse is based somewhere does not mean you have to race there for your life. If competition gets too light a champion should go and try to find better to prove themselves, not stay in one place and repeatedly beat up on hopelessly out classed competition. RA is a good example of that, competition was light in the fillies so she moved up to colts, now that she dominates there she'll probably go to older horses. That is what champions do, they aren't pleased by winning against opponets they know have no chance, so they go out to find bigger challenges, to prove their greatness. Moss needs to do this and stick to his guns about synthetics. If he really dislikes them that much then he needs to take a stand and not race his top horses there. Until he steps up and does that he is nothing but a hypocrite.

LDP 09 Aug 2009 5:49 PM

Matthew after the Woodward and Beldame there will be no doubt who the best horse in the country is. If you doubt it now I guess no one can help you. Ravens Pass won 1 race all year coming into the Breeders Cup and you think that one race on that one track proved anything ? lol...

Draynay 09 Aug 2009 6:11 PM

Karen in Indiana

The incident with the whip was unfortunate and I don't really think is emblematic of Jeremy Rose.  He is another one of those jocks hidden on the eastern circuit that people really don’t appreciate how good they are.  There have been many over the years.  Jeremy has a good approach to racing.  His handling of Afleet Alex, especially in the Preakness was uncanny and cool.  It would be nice to see him on Mine That Bird for a race or two because I still think the Bir is going to make a big noise before the year is over.

Anyway, I hope you have a great day

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 6:15 PM

I agree Lazmannick and Karen from Indiana that Jeremy Rose who gave Bullsbay a fantastic ride would suit Mine that Bird well.  Better still apart from Bullsbay he is not that I know of committed to another horse as Mike "Zenyatta" Smith and Calvin "Rachel" Borel are!

What about a Jeremy Rose to ride MTB campaign?  Then the two of them can prove the sarky snark talks total drivel.  What if MTB beat Rachel?  Oh my.  Then what would he do?  After all MTB has got the closest to doing so!   You never know with horses!  Unpredictable!  That's what makes racing such a great sport and one never stops learning about horses. There is always more to learn!

God Bless

best wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 09 Aug 2009 7:03 PM

LDP, I think for Gio Ponti to win HOTY he is going to have to come off the turf and onto the dirt in the BCC and win. I don't see any other way it can happen. It would put him in contention but I still don't think it would be enough. I agree QR has a TON of catching up to do to win HOTY and it isn't likely. His feet have to hold up for starters. Personally, unless Rachel has a meltdown, I don't see her losing HOTY. QR to me is the one with the potential to win it away from her, especially if he beats her at the Travers (I don't think she'll show) or the Woodward or whatever. I do think he will have to meet her somewhere and beat her to be in real contention. In short, she has been so dominant agaisnt the boys, and won one leg of the triple crown, for someone to take HOTY from her, they will have to beat her face to face and then win the BCC.

Paula Higgins 09 Aug 2009 7:38 PM

Greg J sorry I just am getting back to you. Fri and Sat are pretty busy. Yes I'm at the Spa, no I didn't have the longshots but I did have Dallas' horse in the 7th for a handy little payoff.

draynot, how right you are!

SMOOTH AIR !!!! Yeah Baby !!! I take back every bad thing I ever said about you Jason ! Go Smooth Air ! Get that G1 win !!! That 111 work looks strong to me ! Go Smooth Air !

Draynay 06 Aug 2009 11:19 AM

South of Saratoga do yourself a favor and read the warning label next time you work with GLUE. Smooth Air last week had a 6f work at 111. Does that look like the work of a spent horse ? Geez.

Draynay 07 Aug 2009 1:23 PM"

My comment to Dray?

"NEVER judge a horse's performance in the afternoon off of ONE work, Talking about glue to someone else? Shawn P 07 Aug 2009 3:53 PM"

I think that just proves how BAD of a handicapper Dray is. Do we all make an occasional bad pick? Uh Yep. Does he bet only chalk, tout only chalk or grab onto the shirttails of Jason, when he isn't losing bets to him? Uh Yep.

Always good for a laugh though. Makes every comment he makes lose any credibility it may ever have had, not that, THAT was ever very likely.

"I know Pletcher is still saying Quality Road is going to the Travers but I am not buying it until the gate opens. He will follow Rachel to the Woodward. Who takes a horse from 6 1/2 to 1 1/4 ?

Draynay 08 Aug 2009 8:37 PM"

Why should he follow her anywhere?

If he wins the Travers and the BC Classic and whatever else in between he is a contender for HOY, depending on how the rest of the year goes. Now whether he gets it or not depends on the politics.

Uhhh, ask any trainer, if a horse needs a race they'll put them in a shorter distance just to measure their conditioning after that kind of layoff. sheesh

You already have proved over and over that you not only don't understand handicapping, but you know nothing about the nuances of training a horse, and you don't want to learn because you've said that. Your loss.

Shawn P 09 Aug 2009 8:06 PM

Well, I am watching Zenyatta do her little dance and she is something to see. I hate it when Mike leaves her at the very back in the beginning. Makes me crazy. She's now 8 lengths off the lead, now making her move, I can't stand this. Too far back for me. This is a photo finish and she makes it by a nose. She had to make too much up too late. Didn't love that ride. But she did it. She's perfect 12 for 12. Always get it done. But I am thinking she does not want to meet up with Rachel. However best older horse for sure. She is one beautiful horse and she has a stride that is phenomenal.

Paula Higgins 09 Aug 2009 8:48 PM

Zenyatta on the shadow of the wire!  The good news is she remains unbeaten, the bad news, I believe she lost just a bit of luster today.  As good as Rachel?  It sure does not look like it.

ABZ 09 Aug 2009 8:49 PM

Okay, all you dressage people help me out please. What is that little step Zenyatta does?

Also did you see Mikey whisper to her before the race and she stuck one leg out and did a little bow?

What personality she has. Wonderful mare, simply wonderful.

Six G1's in a row, wow. Although next time I see Mikey I'm going to ask him to stop giving me cardiac arrest with these horses he's riding, whew.

Tim G 09 Aug 2009 8:53 PM

Anabaas Creation takes the State Champ all the way to the wire ? Hey she is what she is.  Nice win but lets not even bother comparing her to Rachel.  I not going to trash anything that is good for racing and she is good for racing but Mr. Moss don't even THINK about racing the boys or leaving the state.  She is right where she belongs.

Draynay 09 Aug 2009 9:03 PM

By a nose over Anabaa's Creation? Who?

And this is the mare who is better than Rachel Alexandra? LOL

Zenyatta better not race the males in the Pacific Classic and/or the BC Classic if her connections want her to retire undefeated. Stick with the over matched F&M's in the Ladies Classic. Then MAYBE she'll get that undefeated record they want so much.

She has not been particularly impressive in her three starts this year. She certainly has lost a couple of steps since last year.

The race for HOTY is now officially over.

Saratoga AJ 09 Aug 2009 9:10 PM

I saw Zenyatta's race, and something tells me they won't be to keen on meeting RA any more. I know she had a lot to do, but she's closed into slow paces before, and has beaten better than this before. At equal weights she should've dominated. Also it's not like she was running after a loose on the lead frontrunner who wouldn't come back. The other horse was another closer that got the jump and had some fight in her, which Zenyatta didn't expect. She should've won easily, and yet this was the closest race of her career. Don't be suprised to see Moss backing up even more on facing RA. The Pacific Classic probably won't happen either. I hope she, and i hate to say this, because she won, but that she rebounds and trounces them in her next, because though i'm not much on her owner, i do like her.

LDP 09 Aug 2009 9:23 PM

    Zenyatta is a Beast!, You show me another Horse that could be ten lengths back, going six wide, and still win by a head on the Del Mar track?, There is not another horse on the planet that is capable of doing that, Also, I am sick of people mentioning her times, For the last time, Times mean NOTHING in her races, She always does enough to win, After the race, Mike Smith said he under estimated the other horses and was just concentrating on Life is Sweet, Also, Said that Zenyatta was still playing around a little coming down the stretch, She is simply amazing, Undefeated, 12-0 and counting...

Greg J. 09 Aug 2009 9:23 PM

LDP,

Please don't call Jerry Moss a hypocrite...I'm sure you are able to make your point without hurling insults at someone who shows so much class.

Just recovered from my heart attack watching Zenyatta's race... That was TOO close for comfort. How she made up that much ground on a field that had been crawling around the track is beyond me. LOVE THAT MARE!

Fabulous Strike is awesome. Hope he can handle ProRide at SA for the BC.

Again, we were treated to very exciting racing this weekend. Congratulations to all the winners!

Zookeeper 09 Aug 2009 9:48 PM

Tim, Greg J. you are right. Zenyatta is LOADED with personality. Half the fun of watching her is the little dance up to the gate. She always get the job done. She has an amzing closing stride. Not the second and third gear of Rachel, but a fantastic stride. I just love her. she is a joy to watch. I wish Mike would not leave her so far back. A little closer would be nice.

Paula Higgins 09 Aug 2009 10:13 PM

ABZ

She didn't get much of a ride....6 wide and only one horse beaten at the top of the stretch and the pace was only average.

Maybe a little tarnish, but you have to admire the way she dug in......like she wasn't going to lose and she didn't (Personal Ensign).  That's the problem with coming from behind like that.  You are always at the mercy of the pace and even though you think you might have your biggest competitor measured (Life is Sweet), on any given day another can step up.  As DRAYNAY would say...remember Wichita Oil.

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 10:14 PM

Hey Abbie Knows:

God Bless

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 10:14 PM

I don't see Moss backing away.  In the TVG interview Jerry Moss said:

"I've always said it would be great to have them run (against each other), but so far Rachel Alexandra has only raced against 3-year-olds and we can't do that anymore. But anything can happen. I'd love to keep the door open."

I also think the Mosses exude the same kind of class that Zenyatta has. (Oh yeah Dray and Rachel too)

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 10:22 PM

I love Zenyatta and have seen her race several times.  But I watched the Hirsch on TV today, and I do not have the feeling of exhilaration I had a week ago after the Haskell.  Far from it.

Why does Zenyatta ALWAYS have to be 6-7 paths wide?  Can't they ever split horses or something? And who the heck is Anaaba's Creation?  I love this mare, but yeah, maybe she has lost a step and a bit of luster as well.  Like the TVG commentator said, "These fillies she's closing on (and barely), they're not Rachel Alexandra."

I just feel sort of sad.  Anyone else feel that way?

Pam S. 09 Aug 2009 10:25 PM

Tim G: Zenyatta is mimicing a Spanish Walk, which is more of a dressage trick and is not used in dressage competition. And, since Zenyatta is not trained to do that, it is really a disobedience and she is actually just striking out. If I had a horse doing that, I'd discipline them. Anything involving the front legs being flung around should only be done on command, otherwise it is too easy to get hurt.

But racehorses are typically allowed to get away with that kind of behavior as they are so wired up and fit.

I don't think there is any chance we see Zenyatta against the colts after today's race.

Zevida 09 Aug 2009 10:28 PM

Tim G - I've never seen Zenyatta's little "dance step", but as someone who has bred warmbloods for dressage (and ridden/trained/shown my own) for many years, I can tell you:  It is not dressage.  It may look like what someone has seen in some sort of dressage context, but it is not dressage.

Kat 09 Aug 2009 10:29 PM

Rachel vs. Zenyatta

Belmont Park - neutral territory

Sept. 12

Ruffian Handicap

What do you think?

Karen in Indiana 09 Aug 2009 10:33 PM

Zookeeper,

    That is my belief, i'm sorry, but i am being completely honest, he in my eyes is a hypocrite. His actions have proved it to me. I love his horse, but honestly i'm not going to sugar coat what i think to please others. I'm sur he reads this and probably care less what i say. If it doesn't bother him, why should it bother any of you. I am not being smart, rude, arrogant, just stating my opinion, which i refuse to sugar coat. I can't stand when ppl do that, surgar coat, beat around the bush, or just plain don't tell it straight. Especially now, because honestly somebody did that to me recently then when i figured out what was going on i was hurt. I tell things how i see them because at least you know whats coming. By sugar coating or beating around the bush. That leaves room for assumptions, then ppl get hurt, upset, or something goes wrong. Is he the worst i've seen, no, but he is one in my eyes. It is my opinion that is all.

LDP 09 Aug 2009 10:45 PM

Some things to think about when looking at Zen’s final time.

• She ran her last 5/16 in 28.20 seconds (DRF)

• This equates to a final quarter in 22.56 seconds

• She ran like she was working 3-furlongs in the morning…..gallop around the track to the top of the stretch……fan out her customary 4-5-6 wide…..roar like a freight train.

• Mike Smith comment when interviewed:  “I underestimated the competition.  I was tracking Life Is Sweet.  When she made her move, I made my move. But the leaders skipped away. But she reached out with that stride, and she was just pricking her ears.

• Another comment:  “She galloped out like a machine. That last quarter-mile she felt like a Quarter Horse. And she wasn't even breathing after the race."

• He only roused her in the stretch.  She basically did it on her own and is a complete show-off.

• In comparing her last ¼ to Rachel’s…Zen….22.56….Rachel…24.96.  The difference….Zen chasing….Rachel already clear and cruising.

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 10:47 PM

shes running at one of americas worst synthetic tracks so im not suprize about the time. she shouldn't be that wide when she runs i think if she lost mike smith would be to blame. no wonder why he moved out west. she can run at santa anita. it doesn't really matter she still won. who cares plus i felt this was one of her tougher races. life is sweet i said didn't handle the track. lethal heat is a grade 2 winner along with dawn after dawn who ran behind rags to riches.

thomas 09 Aug 2009 10:48 PM

Karen in indiana

oaklawn park should be the track both of their best races were run their .

thomas 09 Aug 2009 10:50 PM

Kat, Not sure if you've never seen it you can say it's not. I know I've seen it when watching the Olympics or some of the big horse shows.

Someone mentioned she'd make a good dressage horse when she retired. If you haven't seen this mare, who have you seen in horse racing????

Zevada, no she isn't misbehaving and she isn't striking out. She does it at a specific time everytime she goes on the track and frankly I'm pretty sure Mike cues her. It isn't a striking motion it's just more of a high step. I'm almost certain someone has been teaching her some tricks.

I own race horses and they aren't ALL high strung idiots. Most are very intelligent and I've had several who have learned little tricks, maybe from bored grooms or trainers.

Actually, the distance was a little short for her and Mike waited a little too long on her move. She was just galloping until he woke her up then she gassed it.

I personally love a horse who does what they need to do and leaves more in the tank for the next race.

Jerry has a plan, a target and they're doing what it takes to get there. Why? Because he can. Because Z has a huge fanbase in a state that frankly needs something to be happy about. As for the guys on TVG? LOL

Man we have one guy on here who hears voices, others who are mind readers of owners and others who can predict the future. Talented group who are exactly WHERE in life?

Tim G 09 Aug 2009 10:50 PM

Karen, Don't think it'll happen.

Jerry and John have said they don't like the way the quarantine or holding barns affected their horses.

Rumors are CD AFTER the BC which is Jerry's goal. Being a member of the CHRB I think he's trying to do what he can to keep the game alive there, I hope. See the crowd and all the signs of support?

As far as the synthetics? I believe Jerry abstained, he was new to the board as far as I recall.

Tim G 09 Aug 2009 10:56 PM

Tim G - Zenyatta's war dance is similar to a Spanish Walk except she doesn't lift her legs as high.  You can watch a "real" Spanish Walk on youtube.

Remember Seattle Slew's war dance?  Zenyatta's is more amusing, but seems intended to carry the same message to her challengers.

Mary 09 Aug 2009 11:00 PM

    I don't get it, First off, Speculation is great, We can all do it until the cows come home, But, Bottom line, Nobody can predict who would win if these two greats met.  I think this was one of Zenyatta's more impressive wins, Her closest call, Yes.  It was a very slow pace, It was a shorter stretch run for her to make her charge, It was at Del Mar(Not known for making huge closing runs to win), Mike Smith lost focus of the leaders, Went six wide, With all of this, She still won, That is all she ever does, I wish everyone would appreciate Zenyatta while she is still on the track, Maybe only two or three more races and thats it.  Zenyatta and the Mosses are pure class, I have never seen a horse with so much personality EVER!, She knows her job and loves to do it, It is so obvious to notice.  Who knows?, Maybe these two greats will meet after the Breeders Cup, I have no clue who would win, But neither likes to lose, So it would be a dream race, If it ever happens...

Greg J. 09 Aug 2009 11:05 PM

Greg J... yeah Zenyatta won.   Yawn... I have no desire to see Zenyatta try in vain to catch Rachel.  She barely caught a 40 to 1 shot.  Let her do her thing in California. 143 while giving it your all ?  Watch how Rachel runs a 143 in the Fantasy eased 1/16th before the wire.  Sorry there is just no comparison. The horses she barely caught are nothing like Rachel lets just put this to rest. She is clearly not what she was last year.

Draynay 09 Aug 2009 11:13 PM

I kinda liked Jerry's comment about Rachel just running against 3 year olds and they couldn't do that with Zenyatta any more. Z looked like she was on an easy breeze in the morning, loping along, until she needed to move. Believe she knows exactly what she needs to do and where her competition is.

You guys are a riot. First it's denigrating the Derby winner, saying all these various horses are inferior to Rachel then proclaiming her the greates 3 year old ever for beating these VERY horses. Which is it? Is she the greatest ever or is she beating up on inferior horses? Every time one of you name calls a horse that she's beaten? You're diminishing her win over them. Basically you're saying she beat NOTHING.

Z's runnerup? NEVER count Julio out of ANY race.

Shawn P 09 Aug 2009 11:15 PM

Zevida, are you kidding "striking out?" You would "discipline them?" This horse isn't flinging and striking out. It's a step she does when she's walking up to a race, and it's not much of a step at that. She doesn't need to be disciplined and she's not a dressage horse. Yes by all means, let's discipline all the personality and fight right out of them. I don't think Zenyatta is in danger of hurting anyone with that little dance step. Let me know when she runs someone down, drags them through the mud with her teeth and then kicks them.

You know, we need to be happy she was able to win her 12th straight victory. It wasn't a walk in the park but she did it and that's what counts. I blame some of that on the ride. She's a gutsy fighter. Just because we have Rachel Alexandra anhilating the field doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate what Zenyatta just did. Some of us are "half glass empty" folks and some of us are "half glass full" folks.

Paula Higgins 09 Aug 2009 11:22 PM

Draynay:

In comparing Zen's final 1/4 (22.56)to Rachels final 1/4 in the Haskell (24.96), that equates to 2.2 sconds which is 12 lengths.

And Zen had lots more left.  She easily could have started her run at least another 1/8th of a mile earlier which might mean an aditional 4 lengths.  Can you hear the freight train coming???

I wouldn't get too confident if I was you.

LAZMANNICK 09 Aug 2009 11:36 PM

Lol... thanks for adding that Shawn P. I can honestly say I have never seen a post so long and it says nothing.  Lol... want to try again ?

Zenyatta won but its obvious she is not what she was.  She barely beat an allowance horse.  Rachel is doing things no Filly has ever done and Zenyatta is not.

Draynay 09 Aug 2009 11:38 PM

Draynay, there is a championship event called the breeders Cup--I'm not saying Raven's Pass is Hoy, I'm saying if Zenyatta or Gio Ponti wins the world's toughest race, or for that matter Rachel--then I give my vote to them--if Zenyatta wins out v fillies and Rachel stays East and Gio Ponti takes them all down in the Classic--then my vote goes for the best horse, Gio Ponti.....

Matthew W 09 Aug 2009 11:40 PM

laz

couldn't have said it any better myself. DELMAR IS THE SLOWEST AND WORST SYNTHETIC TRACK IN THE COUNTRY!!!!!!

thomas 09 Aug 2009 11:41 PM

Tim G thank you for responding to that comment about Zenyatta's step as a "misbehavior." I almost lost it when I saw that. I was seeing red.

Lazmannick, loved your defense of Zenyatta's run. You are absolutely right. Perfect.

I have my doubts as to whether she could beat Rachel right now too, but who cares. She's a simply wonderful horse. She had a ton of work to do thanks to a not so wonderful ride by Mike Smith. That was not an easy win but impressive in its own way.

Is it me or is Mike Smith a little slow sometimes to get moving? Not just with Zenyatta either, but I thought MTB as well.

Paula Higgins 09 Aug 2009 11:45 PM

Tim - I've seen the horse run, just not the pre-race show of which people speak.  (And quite frankly what does seeing any horse in American race have to do with dressage?).  Because I know what dressage is, I know what she does isn't.  Zevida is correct about Spanish Walk being strictly an exhibition movement (more from Portugal/Spanish school).  And if what she does is Spanish walk "like", you've not seen it in competition, not any competition recognized by the FEI, that is.  Sorry if the correction came across too strident.  There was some silliness about this a few months ago.  I chose not to get involved about Zenyatta's "second career" after the initial post.  If someone really wants to learn about dressage, there are multiple resources available.  Please, let's return to the regularly scheduled program.  

Kat 09 Aug 2009 11:49 PM

Paula, Right again. Vicious beast, did you see her get a little agitated in the saddling enclosure and the groom kissed her on the neck? Obviously he figured she was going to grab him by the scruff of the neck and toss him out of there like a rag doll. (LOL)

On your other comment?

I've discovered it's more like HEAD half empty for some of these guys and one it's head completely empty. Also his schtick is getting old, bring back the Gong Show.

They still don't get the fact that DIFFERENT HORSES have DIFFERENT running styles. Zenyatta does what she needs to do and has the mindset to take care of herself. Rachel is  full of life and run.

Once again NO NEED on EARTH to beat up ONE horse to prop up the other. It reeks of desperation and Rachel doesn't need that kind of support.

It's pretty easy to tell on here who are the people who love these horses, cheers to you all. It's also pretty easy to tell the aficionados, fans and students of the game and the handicappers. It's also pretty easy to tell the never-weres, wannabes and negative attention seekers who really add nothing to the mix.

Tim G 09 Aug 2009 11:53 PM

I agree, Shawn P.  I was very impressed by how AC dug down when Zenyatta caught up to her right before the wire.

Kat 09 Aug 2009 11:54 PM

Draynay,

      I am convinced you have very little knowledge in this sport.  Can you please get it though your skull that times don't mean a thing in Zenyatta's races. This is what you are all about, times, work-outs, chalk picks, bad mouthing Rachel's competition(Which, Is the same as bad mouthing Rachel, Think about it!).  I really hope when you write your hysterical comments that you are only doing it to incite a reaction to feed your ego, If not, Then you really need to reconsider picking a new sport to follow...

      Also, Get your facts straight, "Anabaa's Creation" was not 40-1, But 22-1, Seems trite, But you seem to put so much stock in numbers, You should start by getting them right.  Like Shawn mentioned, "Never count Julio out of any race".  If you did your homework,  Julio Canani's horses do pretty well, He is in the money 54% of the time this year, winning 28% of them...

Greg J. 10 Aug 2009 12:18 AM

Thanks Tim. I did see that with the groom. Yeah, she's a real tough customer. I am glad he got away with his life. I was really worried. Geesh.

Zenyatta is clearly a well loved horse and that gladdens my heart. I also saw her during the interview with John Shirreff and you could see she's a personality girl. He was smiling ear to ear and you could tell she loved the camera. Just have to love this girl.

Paula Higgins 10 Aug 2009 12:19 AM

To elaborate on my feeling of sadness after the Hirsch:  I had gotten quite caught up in the great debate over whether there would/should be a Rachel-Zenyatta confrontation.  My feeling after today's race is that not only will it not happen, but that there would be no point to it.  I believe the two horses are moving in opposite directions.  I have read all the comments about fractional times, grit and heart, glass half full, bad ride by M. Smith, and even the ones about Spanish walking or whatever, and that is still my opinion.  I am sad to leave the great debate behind, but Rachel would win easily.  Sorry.  By Thanksgiving my guess is there won't be much talk about the whole thing any more.

Pam S, 10 Aug 2009 12:40 AM

you sure lol a lot old guy.

Gets to you doesn't it. Truth hurts?

Doing what no filly has done before? Okay, whatever. Serena's Song didn't win the Haskell. Yes it was a long time ago that a filly won the Preakness, but it was done and was longer between Belmont filly winners when Rags won. If Jess REALLY wanted to prove how great she is? Buy her BEFEORE the Derby and WIN IT. Just keep deluding yourself, doing RA NO FAVORS with your support.

But you know the biggest part of it all? All of us involved in racing, up to and including Jerry, will just keep on doing whatever we're doing and your input isn't the least bit relevant to ANY of THAT.  New version of the medic alert, you'd be calling and saying "help I'm talking and I can't shut up."

Kat, she caught her because that is her style. She's strong willed and doesn't have a fragile mind. Julio is shrewd and Tyler gave his mount the perfect ride. Mike, not so much. But considering where he was at a few years ago Mike is an amazing guy.

As for the dressage comments? I think it's a little bit of fun. I think what the folks are saying is that it's fun to watch and for race trackers who are only less than slightly interested in the dressage horse show stuff it looks similar to some of the movements, that's it. No big tragic discussion. Just a few comments on her quirky little pre race performance. It does look similar to a piaffe though. Think that's why the comment about not seeing it, makes it hard to comment on what it LOOKS like. Who knows what her capabilities are. It's pretty obvious someone has taught her some little things along the way and she's enjoying what she does. Like someone on TVG said, she's a ham, she knows when she's on stage and it's kind of fun and cool to watch. Shows a facet of personality which is something that grabs the average, casual fan.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 1:03 AM

What a courageous win by Zenyatta! Smith took her from last then swung her far, far outside in a race in which no one else really closed, including her quality stablemate, Life is Sweet. The two speed horses, Ananbaa's Creation and Lethal Heat, were not walking backwards, but they did set a fairly slow pace, punctuated by a third quater in 24 and 4 which produced a six furlong time of 1:13 and 3. While Anabaa's Creation and Lethal Heat are far from being world-beaters and were only receiving 4 pounds from Zenyatta, the fact the Zenyatta was able to close into such a slow pace while being ridden extremely wide should not be dismissed. Smith clearly thought all he needed to do was follow Life is Sweet, and admitted afterwards that he underestimated those two frontrunners. Yet, Zenyatta covered this error, remaining a perfect 12 for 12 in a thoroughly gutsy effort. We  were shown what Zenyatta has inside, and it is as beautiful as her outside.

Wehnever a horse can win 12 consecutive races, 10 of which came in graded events and 6 in grade 1s, a celebration is warranted. Yet, I do not particularly fancy Zenyatta's chances against Rachel, Quality Road, Euro-stars like Sea the Stars, or even Rail Trip(the Rail Trip that won the Hollywood Gold Cup).

GunBow 10 Aug 2009 1:08 AM

Also, dray, so glad you recognized that you talk and don't ever say anything. That post was YOUR quotes. Long post full of Draynay quotes says nothing, now there's a real newsflash. Nothing we all didn't already know.

Oh, by the way, guess you'll be up here tomorrow at 6 to buy 10 or 12?

NOW I'm REALLY LOL.

Laz, you're correct. She gunned it when she needed to and you could see it when she picked it up.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 1:12 AM

I would be curious to see what Zenyatta could do if she really got down and ran. I could not believe she was flicking her ears around during the entire stretch run. I've never seen a horse do that unless they were loose on the lead. She's simply toying with her opposition. Great final split too.

Tiznowbaby 10 Aug 2009 1:21 AM

I did make it to Arlington for Million day. As usual, it was a great experience. Rain on Friday and overnight did leave the course yielding, but there were few scratches from the 3 grade 1s, and the course played relatively fair(speed appeared advantaged, but in the Million the mid-pack/late-runners dominated after the quick pace set by Presious Passion).

Gio Ponti was simply stylish, and affirmed his status as the continent's best turf horse, and the leader of the pack behind Rachel for Horse of the Year. In the Million, Gio Ponti put in a scintillating move around the turn that left Einstein flat-footed, and then kept to his task smartly when challenged by Just as Well and Stotsfold in the stretch. This was the second time I have seen Gio Ponti win a stakes race in person, with the first coming on Santa Anita's 2008 opening day, when he won the 1mile Sir Beaufort on the Pro-Ride main track. Such versatility gives the Gio Ponti team plenty of options for the Breeders Cup, with the Classic, Turf, Mile(turf), and Dirt Mile possibilities.

While I have nothing but respect for Gio Ponti, I still think he has only a longshot chance to overtake Rachel for the Horse of the Year. Gio Ponti has been so honest and has demonstated excellent veratility winning grade 1s from 8 to 11 furlongs in California, New York, and now the Midwest(for a total of 4 grade 1s). However, Rachel has been truly historic, accomplishing feats never before seen. To win HoY, Gio Ponti would need to win a Breeders Cup race and another gr.1 race between then and now(Turf Classic? Clement Hirsch at Santa Anita?) and Rachel would need to lose a couple of times. An Eclipse for champion male turf horse wouldn't be bad consolation though.

While I didn't bet the Million, I did put some money down on the Take the Points-Black Bear Island exacta that paid a surprisingly well $35. I really saw those two as the class of the Secretariat field, with Take the Point's Colonial form and Black Bear Island's gr.1 Euro form far superior to the horses exiting the American Derby. While both Take the Points and Black Bear Island proved themselves to be the leaders of the 3 year old turf males, the time for the Secretariat was about 6 lengths slower than Gio Ponti's Million.

My personal fortune was not as good in the Beverly D. While I really liked Dynaforce, I did not bet her to win. Instead, I boxed her in exactas with Pure Clan and Mad About You. Unfortunately for me, Alnadana held on just long enough to secure 2nd over Pure Clan by a neck, and ruin my exacta. For Dynaforce, it was a return to the form that won her the gr.1 Flower Bowl last year.

There was one more notable performance on the afternoon. As mentioned by Dray, the 2 year old filly, She Be Wild, could not have been more impressive in winning the Top Flight in a time just one tick slower than 3 year old males ran in the Forward Pass. A Wayne Catalano trainee, She Be Wild has excellent early speed and an explosive kick. By Oflee Wild, she should be able to get at least middle distances.

GunBow 10 Aug 2009 1:44 AM

I never would have thought in the moments after watching the Alysheba Stakes in person at Churchill that the race would end up being a "key" race. In fact, I was entirely unimpressed with the running of the Alysheba, an opinion only magnified after watching Rachel Alexandra  later that day.

None the less, Alysheba winner Bullsbay just won the grade 1 Whitney, one of the most prestigious races in the country. Macho Again, 6th in the Alysheba, retuned to win the gr.1 Stephen Foster, and was 2nd behind Bullsbay in the Whitney. Finally, the 4th placed horse in the Alysheba, Informed, has since won the gr.2 Californian and San Diego Cap'. If it wasn't for Rail Trip's Hollywood Gold Cup and Colonel John's turf return, I would say the older male division is fairly empty.

There were some quality sprint performances this weekend. Fabulous Strike has probably been the best dirt sprinter, at least in the East, for the last 2-3 years and he ran like it in the Vanderbilt. Known earlier in his career for running monster speed figures at smaller tracks, he has since become a staple in graded sprint races. Also impressive on Sunday, despite a moderate final time, was Game Face in the Honorable Miss. Game Face has proven to be one of the most durable and consistent female sprinters, and in the Honorable Miss was winning her 4th graded stakes race on the year. Finally, in California, Zensational could not have won the grade 1 Bing Crosby an easier. Zensational has almost freakish early speed, and his consecutive grade 1 scores against older sprinters is perhaps even more impressive if one believes that his free-running style may actually be more suited to convential dirt.

Lastly, there is Flashing's win in the gr.1 Test. While Flashing's strong showing off her thumping from Rachel in the Mother Goose might not be evidence that Rachel's competition has been "historic",  it should also be clear that the 3 year old fillies she has been obliterating are not "claimers" or "nothing". The list of fillies Rachel has defeated who have come back to win a stakes race keeps gettting longer and longer.

GunBow 10 Aug 2009 2:12 AM

I've been to every Arlington Million day since 2000 except 2001. I have kept track of the Beyer figs for the 3 gr.1 races for each of these 9 days.

The best year, in terms of Beyers, was 2004, when champion Kitten's Joy ran a 113 in the Secretariat, Kicken Kris ran a 106 in the Arlington Million, and Crimson Palace a 102 in the Beverly D for a total of 321 Beyer points. It must additionally be noted that Kicken Kris actually crossed the wire of the Million in 2nd, and the horse first across the wire, Powerscourt, ran a 110 Beyer(which would have produced a 325 total).

Million Days ranked by Beyers:

2004: 321 Beyer total.

2005: 319

2006: 317

2000, 2003: 316

2007, 2008: 315

2002: 308

The Beyers this year:

Gio Ponti: 106

Dynaforce: 97

Take the Points: 96

Total: 299

Thus, by Beyers, this was the weakest Million day I have attended. This makes some sense because the fields for the Beverly D and Secretariat were slightly subpar. Gio Ponti's 106 is exactly average for the 9 Millions I have witnessed.

GunBow 10 Aug 2009 3:41 AM

Update:

Quality Road's Beyer for the Amsterdam has officially been upgraded to 110, which is where I think it belonged all along.

GunBow 10 Aug 2009 3:42 AM

Zenyatta is so intelligent that she knows where the winning post is!  I watched her win with her ears pricked and afterwards she didn't look remotely tired!

Zenyatta does what she needs to.  She does not waste energy.

Rachel is naturally more exuberant.  

Which is best?

They are both superb but in my view Zenyatta would beat Rachel.  Maybe not by far cos that is not Zenyatta's way but i reckon she would blow past Rachel close home!

What's wrong with Zen's owners they were interviewed by TVG and seemed ok?

I love Rachel but Zenyatta is extra special!

God bless

best wishes

Abbie

Abbie Knowles 10 Aug 2009 5:07 AM

Yes, it IS funny how Rachel Alexandra's greatness keeps going back to beating a mud-running fluke that has never won another race since.

So when is Rachel coming over for the BC Championship? Wasn't it said that champions show up on championship day and a true champion wins on any surface? Or was that a (mud)fluke, too? You can't have it both ways.

Zippy Potato Chippy 10 Aug 2009 8:12 AM

"tip of the week, Tiz Miz Sue on Sunday at Arlington Park. 2 year who has an even better half sibling out of Indian Charlie".

I told you Jason, she won by 7 3/4 in hand

Billy's Empire 10 Aug 2009 8:17 AM

Paula:

I'm thinking the same thing about Smith myself.  I wish he would concentrate on beating all the horses in the race, not just the ones he thinks he has to beat.  It goes with the saying.....jocks are the worst handicappers ever.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:27 AM

If Zen had lost it would have been from a poorly judged ride by her jockey...she's an easily rated horse who moves when she's asked...if you're not taking your competition seriously, or paying attention to the fractions...it's not the horse's fault...she's that good.

da3hoss 10 Aug 2009 8:35 AM

I Love the sport…..I love all the horses equally…..then human nature takes over.  Some owners exude class and you side with them………some owners constantly try to buy fame and you tend to go against them….Then you get the DRAYNAYS of the world…..Tim G’s translation = HEAD TOTALLY EMPTY……….and you take sides.  I always liked Zen, she’s on a pedestal……I liked her before I ever heard of Rachel…….I tend to side with Zen and I shouldn’t…..If Rachel would have been there first I might be defending her over Zen.….My point is none of my internal bickering would have been there without the HEAD THAT’S TOTALLY EMPTY making his comments.  The worst thing then is, I often drop down to his level and often act immature and make remarks that I normally wouldn't make.....It might be in the spirit of fun at the time, but that’s not who I really am…..I am sure there are many, many other people on this BLOG who feel the same way.

Have a great day.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:53 AM

If we are talking about, "Is Zenyatta a great horse?", then the answer is 100% YES!  If, however, we are comparing her to Rachel Alexandra, then I think that is the only area in which Zenyatta falls a little short.  Conjecture of course, but not too difficult a decision in my mind after seeing there last few races.  Rachel would be lambasted if she beat a mare coming off a fifth in an allowance race by a matter of inches.  Think about it.

ABZ 10 Aug 2009 10:05 AM

Paula: Sorry, but Zenyatta's "dance" is misbehavior. She's wired up wanting to go so she acts up. If she was doing it with her hind legs instead (crow-hopping and bucking) you wouldn't find it so endearing. So yes, if I had a riding horse that regularly did that they would be corrected because it is dangerous. Racehorses are given leeway and are allowed minor misbehaviors to avoid major ones. (In other words, if you try and stop Zenyatta from pawing/prancing, she might get frustrated and do worse.)

We've had two great weekends of racing the last two weeks and it will sure be fun to watch Rachel, Zenyatta and Gio Ponti the rest of the year!

Zevida 10 Aug 2009 10:46 AM

LAZMANNICK,

      You are right, I find myself sinking down to his level, I am kinda a hypocrite myself, In one comment, I will come down on "The Liar" for his remarks that he writes to try and incite a reaction for his ego, Bu, What do I do?, I respond with comments towards him. Oh well, lol...

Greg J. 10 Aug 2009 10:48 AM

ABZ:

You are absolutely right, she would be lambasted.  Also, what was the (overused) lol about in reference to the TVG guy?  What he said was that Zenyatta's (barely) vanquished foes were not Rachel Alexandra.  That's a fact. Or did Jess slip her into Del Mar and I didn't notice?

Pam S. 10 Aug 2009 11:12 AM

A nice win by Zenyatta, very exciting.  However, and don't kill me folks, I find myself siding with Draynay on the Zenyatta/Rachel issue.  Just barely getting to beat a group-placed 22 to 1 shot just isn't all that impressive even if she did run at leaders who set a slow pace.  Again, it was exciting, but come on.  I don't care how cocky Smith's ride was.  Rachel finishes in 24 and change while being geared down after running 3/4's in 1:10 and change.  If Zenyatta let Rachel dawdle away running 24/48/112, she wouldn't come within 8 lengths of Rachel.  If Rachel ran 23/46/110, Zenyatta still ain't catching her.

Zenyatta is a fine horse, a HOF horse IMO.  Her style is exciting.  But IMO Rachel would have little to no trouble dispatching her.

2:24 10 Aug 2009 11:28 AM

I was up on the 3rd level of the Clubhouse Grandstand to see Zenyatta run and wow! The way the track was playing yesterday, I knew that even though she was going to be much the best of this field, she'd have to be really something to close into those dawdling fractions the way she did. Seemed like speed was tough to get by going a route of ground unless they went suicidal. Everyone was holding their breaths right after the finish, wondering if she had won or not. And when they showed the slo-mo replay, it was clear that the Champ had just got up, and everyone went into a frenzy! What an electric crowd. Best part about it, I through Life Is Sweet out of my Exa's & Tri's and I was rewarded greatly for it. =). I even saw a group of women in tears as she was trotting back to the Winner's Circle. If they run her in the Pacific Classic, they'll break the attendance record again, guaranteed. What an amazing win.

The Rock 10 Aug 2009 12:00 PM

Zippy I guess you are not going to understand Rachel's place in history. How many fillies have beaten the Derby winner and Belmont winner in different races in the same year ???  She is doing things NO OTHER HORSE HAS EVER DONE.  Get it?  ABZ great post and you are 100% right.  LAZMMANICK what did you say?

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 12:05 PM

LAZ, Greg J.,

The subjects of this blog are horses and their races, NOT other bloggers. However, I often find myself seething after reading certain comments. It's all I can do to restrain myself from responding in kind.

Your comments are mostly positive and enjoyable and point out things I missed or didn't know anything about.

I agree with you that name calling is childish and has no place in an intelligent discussion, no matter how passionate we feel about the subject at hand.

GunBow leads the way! Many others follow suit and are too numerous for me to mention, I try to ignore the others...

Zookeeper 10 Aug 2009 12:28 PM

I rode the train from LA to Del Mar to see Zenyatta.  I've now seen her at Del Mar, Hollywood Park, and Santa Anita.  I now hope that she and Rachel do NOT hook up as one of them would have to loose.  I'm making no statement as to who that would be rather just 2 enjoying future hall of fame horses.  Zenyatta's presence and following now takes me back to the days of Alysheba and Ferdinand and the so Cal circuit of the late 80's and 90's which also produced the likes of Bayakoa, Paseanna, Serena's Song and Light Lite.  When these girls get consistent they get very consistent.  I still can't get over the fact that despite winning a Kentuck Derby and beating the boys that Winning Colors fails to make the top 100 TBs of all time!  I hope history is a little kinder to Rachel.

Householder 10 Aug 2009 12:57 PM

 Out of respect for Zenyatta I wont write this on the blog celebrating her win. Her record is certainly impressive(and a win is a win) but the comparisons to Rachel in my opinion need to stop. I agree with Draynay and LDP on this. Rachel is now in another category. She has beaten top colts, twice now, and simply demolishes the field when it is against fillies. If she were to be placed in a race against fillies again, who would show up to run against her? Only two did it in the MG- Before the Haskell. I think Zenyatta is great, but in her division. Rachel is simply too good for her division now. In my opinion I also think there is no place in sports for 'playing it safe' to preserve a perfect record. I respect that Zenyatta could be a sentimental favorite, and quite simply she has been around two years more, much longer for fans to enjoy her. This takes nothing away from her, and she didn't make her schedule. I just don't get how one can say she would beat Rachel at this point.    

My Juliet 10 Aug 2009 1:21 PM

I love Zenyatta's post parade dance, and she's a beautiful and great mare, but just can't see her ever running down Rachel. The only time a horse has closed on her was the very end of the Preakness, but remember, she was running on only two weeks rest after posting a 20 length win and 108 Beyer in the Oaks. She's unbeatable, especially on 4 weeks rest. And let's not forget, she has the fastest Beyer of the year at any distance or surface...116 in the Haskell, her latest incredible performance. She just keeps getting better as she matures. Can you imagine what she'll be like at 4?

It should convince even the most ardent Zenyatta supporters Rachel is the best since Ruffian....and perhaps, dare I say...better?

If they are honest with themselves.

Saratoga AJ 10 Aug 2009 1:27 PM

Greg J/Laz,

nay nay aka. "the liar" is as transparent as glass. Notice that when he's at his worst it's almost if not always when he chooses one horse over another when there is little or no chance they will ever meet. Last year it was Curlin vs big brown when it was obvious big brown's connections were ducking any real competition, and now it's Zenyatta vs RA when it looks like they will never meet. Makes it convienient for him since he can rant and bash all he wants with no chance of being proven wrong. Since coming back after the whipping the bloggers here gave him in the handicapping contest he seems more angry and obstinate than before. I guess his low self-esteem drives him to try and make others smaller in his mind. Pay no attention to the man behind the lies. He's in high meltdown mode anyway.

draynot 10 Aug 2009 2:02 PM

My Juliet and Saratoga AJ well said... very well !

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 2:04 PM

"Rachel would be lambasted if she beat a mare coming off a fifth in an allowance race by a matter of inches.  Think about it."

ABZ 10 Aug 2009 10:05 AM

"ABZ great post and you are 100% right."

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 12:05 PM

But if it was the big ole browneye getting beat by a couple of football fields in length(not winning by inches) by a bunch of allowance horses or a maiden like in the Belmont last year "the liar" would overlook that. Didn't register in his mind. Didn't fit his rants at the time.

gw_bushwacker 10 Aug 2009 2:09 PM

Saratoga AJ,

I'm one of the ardent supporters of Zenyatta but I don't think she could beat Rachel.

Through the years, I've seen wonderful fillies, mares, colts and older horses and I have appreciated the efforts of so many... But Rachel is truly unbelievable!

So, I will joyfully be an ardent supporter of both RA AND ZEN and consider myself very fortunate to see with my own eyes what people will still be arguing about many years from now. Bravo girls! You both ROCK!!!

Zookeeper 10 Aug 2009 2:18 PM

" How many fillies have beaten the Derby winner and Belmont winner in different races in the same year ???

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 12:05 PM

nay nay,

Your statement is silly. How many have tried? If no other fillies have ever tried it then it means nothing statistically.

Zenyatta would have whipped both last year had she tried. Rags to Riches couldn't have done it since she won the Belmont and couldn't beat herself. Who's to say she couldn't have beaten the same horses in the Derby that she beat in the Belmont? Ditto for Winning Colors who couldn't have beaten the Derby winner (herself). Picking stats from events that just don't happen all the time doesn't give you any kind of credibility. If its only been tried once and accomplished once it doesn't add to any argument. You could look at it from the other perspective and say then that it happens everytime (100%). If its been tried 5 times and sccomplished once its still 40% (a very high probability)and higher than the winning percentage of favorites whose bandwagon you so love to ride.

slyder 10 Aug 2009 2:25 PM

WIth the run -up(45 feet)and the huge amount of ground lost on  turn the old lady ran a yery nice race.

Her finish was monster like.GIVE THE OLD LADY an A+

steve s 10 Aug 2009 2:31 PM

   Saratoga AJ, I didn't notice this after watching the Preakness but have read as Mike Smith on MTB went toward Calvin to congratulate him, RA took off again.

   ABZ, I wanted the excitement back from watching Rachel's dominating performance in the Haskell and went to your post(hope you don't mind),in the blog by Jason on 'The Three Stars' of last wknd..."Not since Spectacular Bid have I found this level of awe and sheer joy in watching the world's greatest athlete. Rachel Alexandra, you are why I am a fan of horseracing. Thank you." You summed it up so well.

   To all RA fans, check out our gal in this month's Vogue magazine

(strange as it sounds). An interesting photo, but it's Vogue, going for the art look, I guess.

My Juliet 10 Aug 2009 2:50 PM

ANYBODY saying RACHAEL beating the old lady by 10 lengths or even beating her need to throw away their  math degree.

steve s 10 Aug 2009 2:51 PM

"Paula: Sorry, but Zenyatta's "dance" is misbehavior. She's wired up wanting to go so she acts up. If she was doing it with her hind legs instead (crow-hopping and bucking) you wouldn't find it so endearing. So yes, if I had a riding horse that regularly did that they would be corrected because it is dangerous. Racehorses are given leeway and are allowed minor misbehaviors to avoid major ones. (In other words, if you try and stop Zenyatta from pawing/prancing, she might get frustrated and do worse.)

Zevida 10 Aug 2009 10:46 AM"

BS obviously you know nothing about race horses, because as a powerful performance horse goes, she's a pussycat. She did her little prance, Mike took her to the backstretch, stood her there leaned down and whispered to her, she did her little bow and then continued on. She doesn't strike out, she doesn't crow hop, buck, rear up nothing. She gets a little edgy and starts to fidgit a bit but calms right down in the paddock. She's not hard to saddle she doesn't drag the groom all over the place. she's calm and settled in the gate.

She's not a riding horse she's a performance horse getting ready to run at 40 miles an hour.

You think THAT'S misbehavior you should see a barrel racers horse going into the arena. Like the guy on tv at the NFR says, the most dangerous job besides the bull fighter is leading those horses up to the gate.

They aren't designed for long trail rides and I've heard from those who know that she's fine around the barn too. The question wasn't for you to diagnose the mare and her behavior (which I really don't think you have a clue about, race horse wise) Someone merely tried to include all you warmblooder, dressage, eventers in the game of racing by asking what type of step is similar to that. I went back, looked at it on wiki, looked at several videos and it looks like a piaffe. She does it in a very slow moving or standstill motion for a brief few seconds.

Now if she was a flipper, a charger or something with behavioral problems and difficult to handle like some of them, sure. But you know truthfully most of those leave their races in the paddock or post parade.

Anybody else hear how fast she went that last quarter, amazing. Guess who holds the record at DM for the distance? Zen. That race they were 1:10 this one they were 1:13.64 so she finished up MUCH faster in this race because the pace was so soft. Even Ron Ellis admitted she was 'in hand' at the end and when Mike pushed her she still had her ears flicking all around (like someone said). Just give the mare credit for what she's accomplished. Give Rachel credit for what she's accomplished and let it go at that.

Okay here in Saratoga, I can't wait for the sale tonight, I know Dray will be there with bells on so he can buy some nice ones to run next year.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 3:06 PM

AJ I can imagine her at 4, a couple different ways, depending on the time of year. Aug next year? a foal at her side or a weanling and in foal again. Or running to pump up Jess' ego and add some money to the coffers, THEN in April or slightly thereafter in foal (if they want that late of one). She's a wonderful filly. But she isn't in control of her own destiny.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 3:12 PM

Draynay,

It's odd that you refer to Mine That Bird's derby win as a fluke. And yet, it's the same fluke you use as the bar of measuring Rachel Alexandra.

At least Mine That Bird showed up for all three races and still ran all heart.

Also, Zenyatta has won on dirt. We have yet to see how Rachel Alexandra would handle the 'plastics'.

Zippy Potato Chippy 10 Aug 2009 3:13 PM

Greg J.... Ragsy... all horse lovers.......

www.youtube.com/watch

:)

StardustyRose 10 Aug 2009 3:13 PM

What a fun blog!  I'm new here but I'm going to risk wading into the

Zenyatta "misbehavior" debate anyway.

I've been training horses for a living for 27 years.  I trained Standardbreds (harness racers) for most of my career.  Because of health issues I've downgraded to riding and school horses the past few years.

Zenyatta's dance moves are NOT misconduct in a race horse but would be misconduct in a riding, school or so-called show horse.

Race horses are ridden and handled by professionals.  Zenyatta's jockey is an experienced athlete.  Her post parade dance is not going to unseat him.  And any professional who couldn't handle her dance either on the ground or in the saddle doesn't belong around race horses.

Riding & school horses are a different animal.  They're often in close proximity to children and are typically handled and ridden by non-professionals.  The majority of my riding horse clients are either under age 18 or middle aged.  Most of the older ones aren't athletic (although some think they are).  And many are overweight and/or have physical limitations such as arthritis.  Zenyatta's dance would unseat some of them and scare the daylights out of others.

I therefore could not in good conscience sell a riding horse with that habit and would have to correct any of my current horses that danced like Zenyatta.  But if I was still training race horses I would be mocked by my peers if I concerned myself with such a silly issue.

So riding horse people please understand that comparing a race horse's behavior to your horse is apples and oranges.

Irish 10 Aug 2009 3:18 PM

I can't believe some of you still think she (Zenyatta) will run against the boys.  Ain't happening.  The Mosses realize she won't be able to beat them, and so they are going to go the safe route, and try to have her retire undefeated.  But it will be a hollow accomplishment because everyone would know that had she faced the boys, or god forbid Rachel, she would surely have lost.  

But hey at least she will still be the State Champ (as Dray likes to say)

Dave 10 Aug 2009 3:42 PM

I see Chip is bragging how well Mine That Third has taken to the Saratoga track.  Sounds like another 3rd place is in his future.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 5:52 PM

Speed Figures on dirt are always "much" higher than synthetic racing. This will always be a "fact".

This year Jess Jackson has shown the public that he has learned from the past.

Jess Jackson is ducking the Breeders Cup because he learned from Curlin's mishap (last year). All those speed figures and the best horse in the world faltered at the 1/8th pole, Curlin was absolutely winded. When Curlin, returned to his groom he was exausted (blowing "extremely" hard).

This mare will make the filly look like an absolute fool if she shows up at Santa Anita this year. In fact, the filly will have a hard time placing in the money. Speed or "tactical" speed is not what you want on this track. This Pro Ride surface is nothing like Keeneland, Turfway and many of the other synthetic tracks in California. It will suck the life right out of you.

Zenyatta is made for these tracks and Jess knows it. Jess knows his filly cannot compete with this mare at Santa Anita.

Zenyatta's last quarter in the Clement L. Hirsch was in a "scorching" 22:49 with the last sixteenth in five and change.

Breeders Cup: "Where the best meet".

Pro-Ride 10 Aug 2009 6:53 PM

Im not going to get into the whole RA vs. Zenyatta thing again, but you people raving about Zenyatta's final quarter vs. RA's need to realize it isnt as impressive as it seems due to the fact she doesnt even start running until the final quarter. Keep it in perspective folks. Fact is, if she employs the same style against accomplished males in the BC, she has no shot, I repeat, no shot, to beat them. Pretty easy to understand if you think about it logically and take off your cheerleader outfits for a second.

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 7:09 PM

GW you are still picking on BB for not winning EVERY RACE ?  Dude... You got to be kidding ... really!

slyder...lol... are you kidding me ? If a 15 year old won the US OPEN and the PGA in the same year would you say, "Big deal no other 15 year old has tried to win them both?"  Move away from 3 Mile Island ! Geez.

Shawn P. I don't buy horses I rent them.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 7:20 PM

2:24,

Your analysis is spot on. There is no way Zen runs down RA, especially with the fractions in the Hirsch Sunday.

What people fail to realize is that Rachel is still getting better with each race. Getting more mature. Her Beyers keep getting better...the Haskell (116) was the best Beyer posted by any horse at any distance this year.

What will she be like when she gets to be an older fully matured mare like Zenyatta? Frightening.

Saratoga AJ 10 Aug 2009 7:24 PM

Jason you brute ! Spanking the poly specialist fans like that.  Time to break out the cheese here comes the whine.

Zippy I think Rachel beating the very accomplished Preakness field on 2 weeks rest and dominating was one of the all time great performances by any filly ever.  She beat a very accomplished field from a impossible post.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 7:26 PM

Jason:

California is known for "speed". Bring Rachel out here and we'll hook her with some speed.

Here in California, we'll place someone right on her throatlatch. We will not let her breathe. Remember Cigar at Del Mar?

There are no easy leads in the west.

Remember when Richard Mandella's Siphon ran Cigar into the ground and then his other entry won the Pacific Classic? How soon do you forget.

Bring Rachel out...and we'll give her all the company she needs.

Breeders Cup: Where the best meet.

Siphon 10 Aug 2009 7:32 PM

Wow, realize some of these are terrific yearlings but 370g 400g RNA?

MY point Jason, is that the same mare holds the record for the same race. It was a TRAINER, Ron Ellis who mentioned the fact that she was motoring that last quarter, especially when compared to last year because Mike left her with too much to do and not much time to do it. He wasn't particularly leading cheers for her either. My perspective is fine. She doesn't belong to us, but she's good for racing. Some of your misses here lately, you're calling it early and with certainty? Hmmm, hanging around the nabobs?

Bias goes both ways.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 7:37 PM

I just laugh when I hear Jason talk.

Your just not in touch with these synthetic surfaces, my friend.

Pro-Ride 10 Aug 2009 7:43 PM

Dray, thought that was you I saw on the pony ride! Happy Birthday, really glad you got to rent the shetlands for your big celebration, the clown was already there.

I have no doubt despite all your talking, you'd NEVER buy a race horse. That means actually PICKING out a horse without jumping on the bandwagon or the back of others who know the horses, can pick em and handicap.

Two weeks rest off of a work? Think some ran a couple days after their last work.

Jason, maybe a caution to others to 'get a grip, take off the cheerleaders suit' would be a bit more equitable?

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 7:47 PM

Shawn: I dont even know what the hell half your comments directed at me even meant. I wasnt comparing Zenyatta to RA, all I was saying is that her final quarter doesnt mean much bc of her runing style.

But now that YOU bring it up, Zenyatta wouldnt come within 5 lengths of RA in a 1 1/8-mile race. Accept it. You say times dont matter? Ok. How else should we compare them? Beyers? You dont want to go there either. Ok, how about a Magic 8-ball?

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 7:50 PM

Pro-Ride: Thanks for your tip. I'll try to get "in touch." Zenyatta fans: Nothing personal. Dont get bent out of shape. It's not a crime to be the 2nd best female horse in the nation. lol

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 7:53 PM

Jason:

Do you really believe what your saying about times and beyers?

Times and Beyers are not how you judge horse flesh. You know that right?

It's who you beat. Trainers will all tell you that.

I can't believe what i'm hearing. You have a lot to learn.

Pro-Ride 10 Aug 2009 7:59 PM

DRAYNAY

Get your tongue out of your cheek.  You're beginning to look like a chipmunk.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:01 PM

Wow... Jason! Float like a butterfly sting like a bee if anyone brings up Zenyatta again they will be done in three !!!

Siphon stop it just look at the clock and get over it...slow...

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 8:03 PM

Just a  word because I'm tired of taking sides.....but some of you are on the Rachel bandwagon because you know they will never meet.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:05 PM

Times DO matter Pro-Ride. That's how we compare one generation to the next. Why do u think they TIME the races? Why do they time races in track, swimming, cycling, or any race? So we can see who is FASTER. Get it? And, she is running much faster times while being eased the final sixteenth.

Look, this isnt an east coast vs. west coast thing. Fact is, I like Cali better than NY or Philly for that matter. But Rachel is charting a course no other 3YO filly ever has. Zenyatta is winning the same races she won last year, and less impressively.

Rachel is a faster horse. Most trainers Ive talked to agree.

And BTW, if you want to get comments posted on my blog, dont call me "ignorant." We disagree, but be respectful or go somewhere else.

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 8:14 PM

Correction, Wayne got the Storm Cat for 400g's, their mistake.

Already (LOL)on 44 at 8? Should be done by 11.

Jason, dranayism is beneath you, don't let him drag you down dude. I know you're his hero, that means you are BETTER than him at most everything. Uhh, I think YOU said her times weren't important because she doesn't start running til the last quarter. I said comparable to LAST year same race, she ran the last quarter faster.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 8:15 PM

What, bc I think RA is better than Zenyatta I am hitching myself to Dray? Grow up dude. Its not about taking sides. All I have to do is watch the races.

It's FINAL times. Not the splits, I was referring to.

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 8:18 PM

And the wannabe pipes up. Zenyatta was in one of the RACES that Jason wrote his blog about, the last of the topic and the last race.

What do you want us to talk about?

Rachel, she wasn't in the mix here. This was about the Arlington Million, The Whitney and the Clement Hirsch.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 8:19 PM

LAZMMANICK Zenyatta can't break 148 so lets just drop it.  When you have to struggle to beat a 40 to 1 shot the conversation is over.  She is a great poly specialist.  3 years from now when California goes back to dirt no one will care.  Injuries are still happening the experiment is over go back to dirt already this poly stuff is a joke.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 8:20 PM

DOWN GOES PRO RIDE ! DOWN GOES PRO RIDE...

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 8:23 PM

No LAZMANNICK, I'm on the "Rachel bandwagon" because I've never seen anything quite like her..other than Ruffian maybe. And I go back a long, long way....unfortunately! :)

I don't care anymore if Zenyatta leaves the security of the synthetics and comes East or not. I think she's a great and beautiful mare..a sure HOF'er...but Rachel is just in another zone. And I'll say it again, how good will she be when she matures like Zenyatta is now. It's scary.

Saratoga AJ 10 Aug 2009 8:28 PM

Gee Draynay:

Zenyatta beat 1.48.  She even beat 1.47.  In her races she doesn't get 1.08 6-Furlongs to set it up for her.  From my point of view, if Zen's within 8-10 lengths of Rachel at the top of a stretch she has a really good chance of catching her, period.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:36 PM

Times don't matter ? Geez tell that to a Secretariat fan.  Rachel runs a 147 in the slop and you say that doesn't matter ?  That statement is true nonsense.  In races TIMES MATTER.  Unreal...  The poly specialist can't break 148 this year. Rachel runs 2 full seconds faster and 1 full second faster IN THE SLOP !  HELLO !!!

Maybe they should just stop timing the races and we can all guess how fast they ran. LOL

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 8:37 PM

Saratoga AJ

I'm not saying you're on any bandwagon, at least not that I can remember....like you I go back a ways,  Sorry if I offended you.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:40 PM

Not what's said, the way in which it is.

Never disrespected YOU.

I'm grown. Some aren't.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 8:41 PM

I also am on the Rachel bandwagon because I have not seen a horse consistently run the times and splits she regularly does in quite awhile and with the ease that she does.  She might get beat some time in the future, but her greatness is apparent and should be recognized.  She is a once in a generation horse and we haven't seen one like her since The Bid hung up his bridal.

2:24 10 Aug 2009 8:43 PM

I never said you disrespected me Shawn. That was for Pro-Ride.

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 8:44 PM

Without getting in the mix again and taking sides, I still feel at times I have to defend Zen.

For all the talk about times, Zen has raced 1-1/8M twice.....once in the Vanity when she went in 1.48 and looked like a ridiculously easy winner.....the other time was in the BC Distaf when she beat a top field in 1.46,4.....again ridiculously easy.  Rachel can run fast, really fast, but I dare to say if Zen ran a few more 9-F races she would have a few more sub 1.47 times.....but only if she had to run that fast.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:47 PM

Whoever invented the word BANDWAGON.  That really opened up a can of worms.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 8:49 PM

Draynay:

Bring Rachel to the Breeders Cup and we'll see where her speed figures take her.

Your not grasping synthetics and you still continue to try and compare speed figures on dirt and synthetics.

Pro-Ride 10 Aug 2009 8:59 PM

Hmmm, the Bernardini everyone was hyping didn't sell for 1.6????

Right Jason, I was able to comprehend that.

My point, the reverse was true.

My original comment was you were already calling it, when just a couple days ago you were saying RA didn't have it all wrapped up, maybe because of QR or Gio.

The nabob comment was because, IF you already know that you must have an inside with the nabobs. As a writer I'm sure you know the meaning is people of wealth and prominence (like Jess....) just a joke.

Then with the nattering nabob(or so he says) of negativism piping up every second with his inane remarks, that doesn't help.

Anyway, some coming up we like.

Shawn P 10 Aug 2009 9:05 PM

I stand corrected:

Zen did run another 9-F race.....the 2008 Vanity in 1.49.2....again ridiculously easy, but definitly not fast....only as fast as she had to go.

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 9:08 PM

This conversation is going nowhere. I'll step aside, for now. New blog tomorrow.

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 9:09 PM

Ummmm no Pro Ride I am comparing TIMES not speed figures.  The poly specialist has raced 3 whopping times this entire year and cannot break 148.

LAZMMANICK its nice that you want to bring up and into the discussion last year but we are talking about THIS YEAR.  THIS YEAR the poly specialist can't break 148 and Rachel runs 147 in the SLOP with ease.  Until the poly horse breaks 148 she really has no shot at Rachel who runs a 134 mile in her sleep and can come home in 12.5 seconds while eased. That comes to a 146.5 a time Rachel THIS YEAR has not come CLOSE to.  Since Rachel ran Mine That Third off his feet he hasn't been the same horse.  I have no desire to watch the poly horse try and chase the best 3 year old in the history of racing.  Let the people of California have their plastic champ.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 9:13 PM

I was the gentleman who wrote the guest blog for Jason recently regarding Zenyatta and Rachel's place in history.  My stance (before the Haskell and Hirsch) was that both horses are in the top 20 all-time of American females.  That in itself is saying a great deal.  Obviously there last race did not alter my opinion.  I formulated this belief not as a bandwagon-jumper-on, but rather as a longtime fan and student of the game who took the time to do as much research and watch as much video as I could.  What an enjoyable project it was.  In comparing overall performance objectively it was clear that one horse's outstanding resume was quite comparable to some outstanding mares throughout history and will cement her a very respectable place in history.  The other horse is doing things that have never been done before, her brilliance is basically incomparable.  I hope you can all objectively decide which horse is which.

ABZ 10 Aug 2009 9:20 PM

LAZMANNICK check out Rachel in the Mother Goose.  Notice how eeeeasy she ran that race.... and then.... CHECK OUT THE TIME.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 9:21 PM

Man...thought this blog went through the redundant task of "trying" to compare beyers/times on Synthetics vs. dirt. Can't do it,it's not prudent.

Fact is,we can compare these 2 outstanding horses on paper all we want.But,until they meet each other,it's all speculation.Including Zenyatta not being able to get within 5 lengths of RA(come on Jason,even MTB did..).

This much we know:  Champion Zenyatta will be @ the BC Championships this year again.And would've shown-up no matter where it was held..East/West Coast,Mid-west or Mars. Fact is: JJackson said he'll point RA to next years BC @ Churchill Downs..her home-track!..conveniently when Zenyatta is out of training. Hmmm...good Racing Ambassador or do they know their limits?

Carlos in Cali 10 Aug 2009 9:36 PM

Move away from 3 Mile Island ! Geez.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 7:20 PM

Hey there, ain't nothing wrong with living near 3 Mile Island.

For those saying that Jess Jackson is ducking the breeder's cup, ask yourself one question. If the BC was anywhere else (barring another plastic track) do you think RA would be there.  The answer is without a doubt, YES.  

Dave 10 Aug 2009 9:36 PM

Why are we comparing splits between races run at 9F and 1 1/16?

Caroline S 10 Aug 2009 9:39 PM

One last thing on times.  In 1-1/16M races Rachel has run three times (stakes races):

• Golden Rod……….1:43

• Fantasy……………..1.43.1

• Fair Grds Oaks….1.43.2

Zen has run 7 times (stakes races):

• El Encino………..……..1.40.3

• Apple Blossom…......1.42.3

• Milady……………..…...1.41

• Clement Hirsh (08)..1.41.2

• Lady’s Secret……..….1.40.1

• Milady (09)……………1.42.1

• Clement Hirsh (09)..1.43

With the exception of the 1.43 races (tied), Zen has run faster than Rachel in every other 1-1/16F race.

In 1-1/8M races Rachel has run 3 times (stakes races):

• Haskell………………..1.47.1

• Mother Goose……..1.46.1

• Kentucky Oaks…....1.48.4

Zen has run 3 times (stakes):

• Vanity (08)……………1.49.2

• BC Distaff……………..1.46.4

• Vanity (09)………..….1.48

Rachel has run the distance faster than Zen 2 times.  Zen ran faster than Rachel 1 time.

So much for times.  

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 9:39 PM

Draynay:

Bring Rachel out to Santa Anita and see if she can beat this slow mare.

What do the Rachel Aleandra fans and the Rachel Alexandra connections have to lose?

We both know what they have to lose.

Don't we?

Note:

The Breeders Cup was made for situations like these. The Breeders Cup is where champions meet.

Pro-Ride 10 Aug 2009 9:43 PM

Jason,

I have no intentions of taking my cheeleader's outfit off...nobody wants to see me naked. :)

You say that Zenyatta doesn't start running until the final quarter...if this was so, she would be 100 lenghts behind by the time they reach the far turn. Zenyatta, after the first quarter, runs AS FAST AS THE PACE. If she didn't, she would be completely out of contention.

It would be more accurate to say that Zenyatta doesn't start running as fast as she needs to, to win the race, until the last quarter. Notice "as she needs to" not as fast "as she can". We don't know how fast she can run... We only get a glimpse of it in the final quarter...and what a final quarter it is!!!

So, in order to not offend anyone, I'll keep my outfit on and cheer my head off. Bravo Zenyatta!!!

Zookeeper 10 Aug 2009 9:49 PM

ABZ

I enjoyed your BLOG…..As far as being objective, I see your point…..As far as doing something that hasn't been done before, Rachel is probably on that track, no doubt about it.  Time will tell……However, Zen is doing something historical that so far has been accomplished by only 5 other thoroughbreds in the US and only 10 other thoroughbreds in the history of racing….that is remain undefeated through her first twelve races……That is something that unfortunately, Rachel will not be able to accomplish…..And I don’t think that it can be under-minded by saying that her career has been carefully orchestrated.  If that were the case, why go to Oaklawn Park to take on the reigning champ and why go to the BC Distaff?

LAZMANNICK 10 Aug 2009 9:54 PM

Here's another fact Carlos: Zenyatta has raced 3 times this year and hasnt left the state. (except for the time at CD when she was there but they didnt want her to race in the slop).

Rachel has raced 7 times and at how many different tracks? (And in the slop). I dont think there is any dodging going on buddy. The worst thing you can say about Jackson is that he has this unfair aversion to sythetics. I dont like it either, but we're not going to change his mind. Believe me, he ain't dodging Zenyatta.

That's my last comment for the night. I swear. lol

jshandler 10 Aug 2009 10:09 PM

I come not to bury Zenyatta, but to praise her.

ABZ 10 Aug 2009 10:33 PM

LAZMMANICK interesting enough the top 10 horses of all time none of them were undefeated...hmmmm.

And you can post all the clock times you want but THIS YEAR... let me say it again THIS YEAR Zenyatta can't break a 148.  Again, let me suggest you watch the MOTHER GOOSE and watch how easy Rachel run 2 FULL SECONDS faster.  It really isn't rocket science.

Draynay 10 Aug 2009 11:05 PM

RA's winning at different tracks looks good on paper,but honestly...traveling from Maryland to NY to Jersey is just a horse-trailer ride away.Kinda' like going from Santa Anita to Del Mar to Hollywood Park,..no biggie.Zenyatta's been doing that for the last 2 yrs buddy.And traveling to La.Downs from Oaklawn isn't that much further either.Has she ever been on a plane?..maybe going from Ky. to Pimplico,maybe.

Buenas Noches!..the Dodgers are playing!!

Carlos in Cali 10 Aug 2009 11:22 PM

Pro-Ride, you mentioned a racehorse should be judged by who its beaten, not its times. Well it certainly seems Rachel wins that comparison by defeating the top 3 derby finishers and the belmont winner. Zenyatta beating Anabaa's Creation and Lethal Heat is not nearly as impressive.

Emily 11 Aug 2009 12:21 AM

Let's just make it easy for everyone. At a 1 1/8 miles, Rachel wins hands down b/c she has speed that keeps on going. At 9 Furlongs, she will not be beat this year. If you stretch out the race, to a 1 1/4, a true classic distance, I can see Zenyatta getting to her at the wire, b/c she is a one dimensional runner, and she only runs at the end. If you get Zenyatta on a long stretch like CD or Belmont, she might catch her, but at SA, it is going to be tough to catch the boys, especially proven distance specialists coming from Europe to dominate again....

Billy's Empire 11 Aug 2009 8:49 AM

One last thing Jason, that filly I told you about is going to run next at AP in the Arlington Lassie on Sept 5, so keep a look out. TIZ MIZ SUE!!

RA just worked in 50 and 3!!!!

Billy's Empire 11 Aug 2009 8:51 AM

Laz,

you really can not compare the fantasty, golden rod and FG Oaks to how she is training and running now. Those were all early in the 09 year when she was barely even three years old. Plus, they were all at different tracks, with much different surfaces. But you are right, she did win them all...

Billy's Empire 11 Aug 2009 9:05 AM

Draynay, you do Rachel a disservice due to the way you write about her and downgrade other horses accomplishments.  I am completely on board with Rachel being a once in a generation horse.  I also feel like your way of writing is probably just to stir up the pot and lead to interesting blogs and it does.  But at this point, you should get a clue and tone it down a bit.  Rachel is phenomenal, we all know it, don't go and cost her fans because of caustic barbs written on the blog.

2:24 11 Aug 2009 9:21 AM

Dray,

I never said anything about Mine That Bird taking to the Saratoga track. Please state where I said that. You keep stating that Mine That Bird hasn't won a race since the Derby. So what is so great about beating a horse that has only won one race all year? And on a fluke as you say.

Zippy Potato Chippy 11 Aug 2009 10:07 AM

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Greg J. 11 Aug 2009 10:36 AM

Carlos,

    Your forgetting KY, LA, and AK. Those three aren't reall just a trailer ride away. Fact is RA has raced at six different tracks this year, twice against boys, once coming off two weeks rest. Zenyatta in her whold career has raced at what four tracks, two states, and was never wheeled back in two weeks to face boys in a grade one. RA has, for this year accomplished more. She has not traveled to just three states, if your going to list where she's traveled this year you've gotta list all of them, not leave out the ones that don't support your point. She HAS traveled, and raced, and won. She has also raced in slop, which Zen's connections were afraid to do. Compared to Zenyatta RA has done SO much more this year, traveling and racing wise.

LDP 11 Aug 2009 12:22 PM

Draynay:

I don't want to get into it with you.....I would rather watch paint dry.  Better still, I would rather actually try to hear it dry.

I didn't say top ten horses of all time.....I said top undefeated horses of all time.

FYI.....I hope Rachel remains undefeated and accomplishes great things.....That would be another sensational thing that I have seen in horse racing, just like the gritty finish I saw on Sunday when I saw a horse that refused to lose just like Personal Ensign refused to lose.....However, I like a few million other people on this BLOG can't understand why you have to continuously berate and undermine the accomplishments of a champion.....I know you like to stir up the pot.....I just can't believe that you are actually as naive as you have shown to be.

LAZMANNICK 11 Aug 2009 12:24 PM

I'm surprised at the number of comments I have seen to the effect that, at distances greater than 9F, Zenyatta would necessarily beat RA. As far as I can tell, this is based off of the fact that A)Zenyatta is a closer and B)Rachel nearly got caught in the Preakness. This is faulty logic. I know, because I have succumbed to it myself on numerous occasions. I don't know how many times I have seen a horse closing fast in the Preakness and thought, "there's my Belmont horse right there", only to see that horse fall short.

Plenty of speed horses have been able to succeed at distances of 10F and greater. If anything, I'd prefer a horse like RA that has the ability to rate just off the pace, because it provides for greater flexibility. A closer in a distance race just means more ground to make up if the pace is slow.

Looking at Zenyatta's PPs, I see that of her 12 wins, fully 8 of them are at 1 1/16, none are at distances of greater than 9F. If anything, Rachel is the more proven distance runner, having run at 1 3/16.

Caroline S 11 Aug 2009 12:35 PM

Siphon.  You can add RA's dad to the list of horses that could not get beat at Del Mar (and did).  Jason have you ever liked Zenyatta?  We had to lean on you pretty hard last year when you kept picking Ginger Punch.  I think there are too many factors to consider when racing these two on paper.  Yes RA is 5 lengths ahead of Zenyatta because she is carrying 121 or so against heavier males while Zenyatta is carrying 129 (spotting 13-15 pounds to the girls).  Alysheba and Ferdinand both got beat in their match races to much lighter horses. Let them both carry the same weight (like in the Breeder's Cup) and see what happens.

Householder 11 Aug 2009 12:57 PM

Didn't Andy Beyer just revise his California/synthetic BSFs?  He admitted that they were still trying to get a handle on these new surfaces and were devising new calculations to deal with the differences.  If I remember correctly, the numbers were "upped" by approximately 7.  This average upgrade was relevant to how high the Beyer was originally, as (and having been noted in a qualitative way previously) the Pro-Ride tended to make slow horses look faster (so lower Beyers were not upgraded quite so much) and faster horses look slower (so higher BSFs were upgraded slightly more).  In addition, ProRide is known for favoring closers.  I would assume that this is because it is a more tiring track (synthetics are great for training), synthetics absorb the "push off power" (if you will) of the horse (in addition to the impact - that's why they are suppose to be safer)to some extent, so some of the impulsion is dissipated.  It's my understanding that "one move horses" expend less overall energy than horses on the front and consequently on a tiring track, they may have a little more advantage. "Softer/deeper" footing (more than approx 2 inches over the base) is much more likely to cause soft tissue injuries, this is true in other equestrian "niches" as well.

Kat 11 Aug 2009 1:33 PM

RA beating munning and Summer bird is no big deal.Summer bird will never win another GR 1 race

steve s 11 Aug 2009 2:01 PM

LAZMANNICK:

The important thing you fail to mention in your race time comparisons above is that Zen was all out, and Rachel was being PULLED UP/geared down way before the wire in most of her races. Get real.

The Beyers don't lie either.

Saratoga AJ 11 Aug 2009 2:18 PM

There seems to be a great deal of acrimony in this blog series.  Perhaps that's the point.  I was at Del Mar on Sunday, close up in the paddock when Zenyatta was led in.  She stopped, raised her head like the queen she is observing her minions. When the applause began, she began her "dance".  This mare knows exactly what she is, what she has to do, and obviously enjoys every bit of it. (Although she pretty much made everyone ontrack need CPR). Rachel is undeniably talented, fast, and damn near unbeatable, but she runs like she's terrified, with the whites of her eyes showing, ears pinned back.  Zen runs like she's just having a good time, ears pricked, galloping along enjoying the race.  They are both extremely talented racehorses, both deserving of all the praise that can be heaped upon them.  Whether they ever meet up, or not, they both are champions. And we, as fans, are the better off for them.

Goldie 11 Aug 2009 2:48 PM

I;m all for a Match race at Sam Houston but make it a70-30 split

steve s 11 Aug 2009 4:02 PM

Householder: I voted for Zenyatta for HOY last year. Does that count as "liking" her?

It's about being objective. I give my honest opinions on here. I dont concern myself with who I "like" or who the connections are. There are several factors whoch lead me to believe RA would beat Zenyatta.

jshandler 11 Aug 2009 4:06 PM

Caroline S. there you go posting facts again... oh no !

Draynay 11 Aug 2009 4:13 PM

AND match race with distanceat 1 1/8

steve s 11 Aug 2009 4:13 PM

LAZMMANICK I know what you said.  Read my post again... it will come to you.

Draynay 11 Aug 2009 4:15 PM

Householder,

    Zen has carried 129lbs once, just once. In her last start she carried 123, and gave only four pounds away to the second place horse. At equal weights based on that last race of Zenyatta's RA would still win. She can travel much faster fractions and still kick away. Was that field a bunch of claimers, no, but they aren't RA. I'm also wondering how many times Zenyatta has ever had to carry 126 or over.

LDP 11 Aug 2009 4:21 PM

hey Jay, i thought you said there would be a knew blog today.

Dave 11 Aug 2009 4:22 PM

Saratoga

Zen was all out.....for what....a little over 3/16ths of a mile.  It's like another BLOGGER said…..she breaks slowly, settles into stride and position, but after a quarter of a mile she doesn’t lose anything to the pace up front…..It’s always the same distance or maybe a length or so less until she is ready to let lose…..Once she lets lose I haven’t seen a closer like her in a distance race for a long time (maybe MTB in the Derby)…..That 22.2 final quarter would have been the same if the race was 1-1/8M…..Would she have caught Rachel…..I don’t know, but I do know that MTB almost did…..People can slant the finish in the Preakness any way they want, but a fact is a fact and MTB almost caught her…..did she have another gear or anything left…..I don’t know….maybe, maybe not, but in a race of that importance you don’t try to measure your finish if you’re on the front end.

LAZMANNICK 11 Aug 2009 4:25 PM

Steve S.,

      That is a pretty bold statement, "RA beating munning and Summer bird is no big deal.Summer bird will never win another GR 1 race", I love how you can foresee the future.  So I guess winning the Belmont and second in the Haskell were just lucky?, Please...

Greg J. 11 Aug 2009 4:31 PM

Ok, from my little quick search, excluding the Ladies Secret and BC Distaff, Zenyatta has carried less than 126lbs nine times. So up until her 129lbs in a handicap this year she never really carried a ton of wieght.

LDP 11 Aug 2009 4:45 PM

Dave: New blog is now posted. I was working on other stuff, sorry for the delay.

jshandler 11 Aug 2009 4:50 PM

Jason.  I stand corrected and apologize.  I would agree last year's HOY vote for Zenyatta is a strong endorsement.  I think this blog went around and around with the whole Zenyatta vs. Culin (HOY) thing as well so thanks for stickin your neck out.  

Householder 11 Aug 2009 5:19 PM

LAZMANNICK:

And besides pulling up early in her races, lets not forget what no one seems to mention...Zenyatta has raced most of her races as a mature 4 and 5 yr old mare.

Rachel's races were as a baby 2yr old (6) and as a young 3yr old (7). She hasn't even fully matured yet like Zenyatta, and is already better.

Zeyatta is a wonderful mare...but really, no matter how you compare them, taking everything into consideration, Rachel is superior. Scary how good Rachel will be when she gets to be Zenyattas age. She improves with every race as it is now.    

Saratoga AJ 11 Aug 2009 5:34 PM

LDP:

If you'd read correctly,you'd have noticed that I did mention all the tracks.Anyways,there's never been a reason for Zenyatta to come back in 2weeks.Her schedule has been pretty much mapped-out since her maiden win.Unlike RA where her (new) connections nominate her to everything available in order to pick the easiest,headline grabbing spot,JJackson style.Do you really think she'd have competed against the colts if say...IWR,QR or the 'Mousse hadn't been injured and ran their race in the Derby? They took advantage of what was left,beat them,and now she's sitting pretty for HOY honors.Exactly what the ego-driven JJackson's M.O. is based on.Mission accomplished,Shock & Awe gets voters' attention all the time...Good for her,she's an outstanding filly,but watch how they avoid QR now that he's back.Again I say,they know their limits.

Carlos in Cali 11 Aug 2009 7:14 PM

Summer Bird and Munnings vs. Anabaa's Creation and Lethal Heat.

???

Good point Steve S! ???

ABZ 11 Aug 2009 7:50 PM

Ughhh!

If I read many more C in C comments, I'm gonna pine for some good posts from Draynay!

ABZ 11 Aug 2009 7:51 PM

Carlos...you make absolutely no sense.

Saratoga AJ 11 Aug 2009 10:08 PM

Saratoga:

Don't tell me you're making excuses.....wow, now Zenyattta is more mature....and guess what, she's racing against more mature horses too.

One last comment.....now the Pennsylvania Derby is in the picture.....that's five races they are going to consider.....I wonder what one they're going to take.....I guess it depends on the competition....let the orchestration begin

LAZMANNICK 11 Aug 2009 10:53 PM

Carlos in Cali you must be smoking the wild bushes.  Rachel has taken on the boys in 2 G1 races and left them in the dust.  She has not taken the easy path at all.  Talking trash about Jackson is also out of place and has no place here.  He has chosen a interesting path up to this point.  Let it play out before you start trashing him again.

Draynay 11 Aug 2009 11:45 PM

LAZMANNICK:

Now you're saying those allowance level mares Zenyatta is beating up on (barely) are better than the Triple Crown colts? You're a hoot!

Unbelievable.

If you don't think a 4-5 yr old mare should be superior to a 2-3 yr old filly in racing ability you don't know racing at all.

Saratoga AJ 12 Aug 2009 8:06 AM

LAZMANNICK:

What planet are you from?

The last thing Jess Jackson does is duck the competition. His ambitious schedule for Curlin the last two years and now Rachel this year bears this out. Who else would have put a filly into the Preakness on two weeks rest to face the colts for the first time? Then the Haskell. Next up probably the Woodward and try to become the first filly to win this great historic race for older males. Or perhaps the Travers, where no filly has won since 1915. If you think Jackson ducks anyone, you're nuts.

You want to talk "ducking the competition", look no further than Zenyatta's connections, who have been doing that for the better part of two years now. No males, no dirt, stay in the California on only 2-3 tracks, etc, etc. Give me a break.

Saratoga AJ 12 Aug 2009 9:02 AM

"So far at the current Del Mar meeting in California, there have been eight horse fatalities. At Saratoga, a dirt track, there has been one, and that came in a turf race".

So much for the "safety" of synthetic tracks. What a joke!

Read more: www.nydailynews.com/.../2009-08-12_rachelzenyatta_match_race_is_out.html

Saratoga AJ 12 Aug 2009 9:38 AM

Laz,

    The PA Derby has been in the picture. And IMO JJ is going to the Woodward. RA has established herself as the best 3yr old of any sex and she has probably done more than most other horses this year. If any 3yr old wants to knock her off they have to come to her.

LDP 12 Aug 2009 9:51 AM

Carlos,

    QR was out, he no longer has claim to the best 3yr old at all, that is what happens when your injured and out, somebody who is new and has the talent comes and takes your place. This happens in Football, Soccer, Track, every sport there is, if you are a star player but get injured then somebody who is new but just as talented comes and does just as well or better than you would've you are no longer the best. You have to fight to regain that status. If QR, or any other 3yr old that was out and is coming back this year or next wants to knock off RA they find her. On your traveling bit, you act like RA has done nothing at all in that respect. Well in her ENTIRE career Zen has raced at a total of four tracks, three in the same state. This year all she has race at two big whoop. RA has raced six tracks in six states and when you hop from AK, to LA, to AK, to KY, to MD, to NY, then to NJ you normally have a pretty tired horse. Let you know that is the exact order in which she traveled in this year. When you try and say that isn't a lot of traveling you sound real stupid.

LDP 12 Aug 2009 10:02 AM

ABZ,Saratoga AJ:

We all know about your infatuation with RA,do you follow her on Twitter too?..In your eyes she's the epitome of horse racing with the 'no one better dare say a negative thing about her' attitude. Sorry,but I'm not as Awe struck as you seem to be about her.I want to see her face QR in the Travers,who was one of the top 3yo colts going into the Derby,before we can say she's the best in her generation.Let alone the best of the 21st Century like ABZ hilariously stated. She better take on the "weak older horses in the East",(as AJ put it) in the Woodward to keep her streak going.They want no part of QR,trust me,she'll lose. The George Steinbrenner of Horse Racing,aka..JJackson's ego,would sell his soul for HOY trophies.Bring her to the BC where every top-notch horse will be is all I'm saying.Talk is cheap.

LDP:

Everyone knows to be the best,you have to beat the best,and with QR most would say he WAS the best before being injured.Any sports fan will tell you that a 'Star' will not,could not lose his starting position because of injuries.Their replacement holds the fort until they return.And traveling from AK to LA is not that far,AK to KY,not that far.MD to NY to NJ,a mere hop-skip and a jump away.Do the math!

Carlos in Cali 12 Aug 2009 2:10 PM

Draynay? aka The Big Hypocrite....weren't you the leading Smack talker regarding JJackson last year?...shut up Doofus,lol

Carlos in Cali 12 Aug 2009 2:29 PM

Saratoga

Let's see.....first of I'm a hoot....then I'm from another planet.....then I don't know racing at all.....Wow.....and I thought this BLOG was supposed to be about horses.

LAZMANNICK 12 Aug 2009 2:29 PM

C in C,

Talk IS cheap and you have proven that.  

ABZ 12 Aug 2009 2:52 PM

Carlos,

    Why don't you do the math of how many miles total she has traveled this year alone. Sure it's more than Zenyatta. QR was the best but as i said in any sport if you were injured and taken out, then somebody new comes along and take your spot, you have to come and beat them out. Is it fair, no, but thats how it goes. QR is no longer the best and is now playing catch up. Right now he has to beat RA, SB, MTB, and Kensai. Those right now are the top of the division and have worked to earn their spots. Since he was out he has to work to beat them, and only then can he be considered the best. This goes on in EVERY sport, and horse racing is no different.

LDP 12 Aug 2009 6:50 PM

Carlos in La La Land,

I have been going to the races before you were born. And I'm saying that a filly like Rachel is a once in a generation or two racehorse. By the time she's finished her career, baring injury, she will be considered one of the greatest of all time...perhaps ranked ahead of who is considered the best filly in history now (Ruffian, #35 in the Blood Horse Top 100 of all time, highest ranked filly or mare).

Saratoga AJ 12 Aug 2009 7:16 PM

I myself have no problem with a match race between Rachel and Zen. I know, everyone points to the ill fated Ruffian braking down. But in reality, she ran just as hard in some of her previous races..similar early fractions. It was a bad step, not because it was a match race.

And think of all the great match races in the past...Man'o'War-Sir Barton, Seabiscuit-Ligaroti, War Admiral-Seabiscuit, Armed-Assault, Capot-Coaltown, and Swaps-Nashua...all great match races inspiring great interest. Not one injury!

Truth be told...a fatal injury can happen in any race. When Go For Wand broke down, it was in the Belont stretch in the BC Distaff, not a match race. They have gotten a bad rap because of one unfortunate incident.

I say, someone get up $1 million and go for it!

Saratoga AJ 12 Aug 2009 7:16 PM

Zenyatta's free ride to the Donn.....

DON'T GO.....All we need is another speed biased surface and the arguments will really be flying.....Go to CD or the Fairgrounds......at least those surfaces aren't nearly as suseptible to bias concerns.  Frontrunners, mid-pack and closers all have an equal shot.

LAZMANNICK 12 Aug 2009 8:10 PM

Just read about Zenyatta's 'Free Ride To The Donn'.....if they go there they are crazy because of the possibility of a speed bias.

LAZMANNICK 12 Aug 2009 8:12 PM

Then RA should be in the Travers like the other top 3yo's you mentioned.I know her mission is getting HOY,but the older males or females out East don't compare to QR. They're carefully picking the spots to run her in from now on.Skipping the Travers & BC makes people wonder if they're 'dodging' something, like...defeat.

Carlos in Cali 12 Aug 2009 8:46 PM

Carlos give it a rest. Let QR win a race at two turns before you claim RA who has been whipping EVERYBODY is dodging a horse who has ridden once in 5 months.  Geez.

Draynay 12 Aug 2009 11:29 PM

Billy's Empire,

Thanks for the kind words about Tiz Miz Sue.  Take it you've seen the yearling??

Cresran 13 Aug 2009 12:21 AM

Carlos,

Jackson will not run Rachel in the Travers because he also owns Jim Dandy winner Kensei, who will be co-favored with Quality Road...or a close second choice. Jackson will not run his two stars against each other.

Besides a win in the Woodward would be historic. No filly has ever won it.

And your constant rants of Jackson and RA "dodging" competition sounds dumber every time you say it. Give it up.

Saratoga AJ 13 Aug 2009 7:08 AM

Carlos,

   Actually no she doesn't, a race in the JCGC where QR, MTB, and SB will be. You'll have your 1 1/4, an acid test w/ QR, so why not that race. Another plus, you'll have some of the top older horses in there too.

LDP 13 Aug 2009 10:20 AM

That's exactly what I'm talking about: A winnable Woodward @ 1 1/8m against weak older males(as you,AJ put it),and a race no filly has won,means another headline grabbing scenario.All they're worried about is HOY honors and keeping her unbeaten this year. That's fine.But,if anybody thinks she's the best filly of all time,then it's real simple. How about showing-up for the BC against the best there is for starters. That's why Gio Ponti and his connections should be rewarded with the HOY if he wins-out concluding with the BC. They'd have taken on all comers,no excuses needed. I just don't agree with people proclaiming her to be the best this early,it's stupid.

Carlos in Cali 13 Aug 2009 2:38 PM

Carlos....give it up. Enough already. Enjoy a filly for the ages.

No matter how much you hate it, Rachel Alexandra will be HOTY, and will be back next year to add to her legacy. Zenyatta has been short changed by her connections...too bad.

Saratoga AJ 13 Aug 2009 10:44 PM

Don't speak too soon AJ...the season is not over yet.Anything can happen.

Carlos in Cali 14 Aug 2009 7:10 PM

Carlos,

There have been rumors that the NYRA may exempt Zenyatta from the retention barn and add to the $600,000 purse ($1 million?) in the 1 1/8m Beldame for F&M's 3 and up if her connections ship her in for a showdown with Rachel on the dirt at "Big Sandy".

It may be the only chance...Rachel will more than likely get a well deserved rest after that Oct 3rd race. By that time she would have been in training without a break for over 8 months and 9 straight stakes races. It may be the only chance to get them on the same track.

Saratoga AJ 14 Aug 2009 11:35 PM

Wow...I feel like a prophet....

sports.espn.go.com/.../story  

Saratoga AJ 18 Aug 2009 2:37 PM

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