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Weekend Analysis and Selections for Aug. 15-16

It's a much lighter racing schedule this weekend, but of the graded stakes that are out there, most of them are challenging races to handicap. Let's take a quick look at some of the major races from around the country.

Sword Dancer

This came up an excellent field, with some of the top turf marathoners-many of the fan favorites-assembling at Saratoga. One of the interesting things about the Sword Dancer is that of the 10 entered, only two have ever started at Saratoga. And the two that have started-Grand Couturier and Better Talk Now-have won the race.

Obviously, Grand Couturier must be looked at seriously after winning this event the last two years. Yes, he finished off the board in both starts leading up to this race, but remember, he was sixth in the Man o' War last year before coming back to win here. Trainer Bobby Ribaudo says Grand Couturier always seems to peak at this time of the season. Although he's the morning-line favorite, he'll be a pretty fair price, as I don't expect him to get bet down much.

As I said my Handicapping Show, you can really make a case for almost all of these horses. And many of them look appetizing but have big question marks. Americain has been impressive in Europe, but makes his first U.S. start for Todd Pletcher. Rising Moon is also in decent form, but makes his first turf start since 2007. Lauro ran a big one in the United Nations, but had the advantage of a ridiculous pace set by Presious Passion. Brass Hat seems to have found a new home on grass, but is he over his head in here? You get my point.

The Pick: I settled on Musketier for several reasons. He seems to be in nice form right now, having won the Singspiel at Woodbine at this distance two back, and last out ran a big one against Gio Ponti while losing by less than two lengths. Any time you can run with the best turf horse in the country, that says a lot. Mostly though, I like Musketier from a pace scenario. There won't be much early speed in here and he should find himself alone on the lead. If he can get away with a :49 and 1:13, he will be tough to run down.

I'll take Musketier to win and box him in an exacta with Grand Couturier, Americain, and Quijano, who also could be primed for a big one.

Longacres Mile

It's not often that we get a chance to talk about a race at Emerald Downs, but the Longacres is always fun, and usually with a big field.

Awesome Gem is confirmed bridesmaid, having finished runner-up 10 times in 27 starts, and third 3 more times. Despite that, he towers over most in this field from a class standpoint and could be tough to beat if he handles a track he's never run over before. Though he's run most of the time on synthetics and grass, Awesome Gem has had some of his biggest efforts on natural dirt, including his grade II San Fernando win and third-place effort in the BC Classic on the slop at Monmouth.

The local horses are often a factor here and Assessment looks like the best on paper. But that 12 post has me looking elsewhere. Horses leaving from that post are 1-for-73 in this race. No thanks. Wasserman was the upset winner last year but is 0-for-6 this year. No thanks. Atta Boy Roy equaled the six-furlong track record  two starts back, but he's is a sprinter, not a miler. So where do we go?

I think you have to take a long look at Sierra Sunset. The California shipper was off for more than year but came back in his second start to win a stakes at Pleasanton by five lengths last month. He has run his best races on dirt, including the Rebel last year when he won by three lengths and was considered a legitimate Derby prospect before being injured. He has a good work over the Emerald ground as well. He has good tactical speed, should be able to lay right off the speedy Atta Boy Roy and put himself in position to win.

The Pick: I'll go with Sierra Sunset to upset Awesome Gem. I'll box those two, along with Autism Awareness and Assessment in a trifecta.

John C. Mabee

This is another one where you can make a case for many. Magical Fantasy has won back-to-back graded stakes, including the Gamely last out. And the rapidly improving Tuscan Evening has won five of six, including the Royal Heroine last out. But the Gamlely runner-up, Visit, and the 2-3-4 finishers in the Royal Heroine all return. Throw in the surprise entrant of sprinter turned router Lethal Heat and you have a head-scratcher.

The Pick: If Patricia's Gem and Lethal Heat both go, there should be plenty of speed in here. It could set up nicely for a horse from off the pace. I'll take a stab with a filly who doesn't always like to win, but usually knocks on the door: Visit. The Bobby Frankel trainee lost by a neck in both the Santa Ana and Gamely, and seems to enjoy nine furlongs more than eight, which can excuse a couple of her off-the-board losses this season. Yes she has lost eight straight, but she has also been in the money in four of those--all in graded company. With a little luck, Visit could have won twice this year and the price would be much lower than I'll get on Sunday.

I'll play Visit to win. I'll have to wait until Saturday to see who I'll play her with.

Also, I'll try Hightap for the minor upset over Just Jenda in the Monmouth Oaks.

Who do you guys like?

106 Comments:

i like in the

long acres mile:autism awareness and sierra sunset

sword dancer: better talk now rising moon and brass hat

john c mabee: magical fantasy and lethal heat.

monmouth oaks: renda and just jenda

thomas 14 Aug 2009 1:52 PM

And Musketier has a rider that is known to bring in bombs. That is who I am going with.

Zippy Potato Chippy 14 Aug 2009 1:53 PM

Sowrd Dancer- Quijano

John C. Mabee- Visit

Monmouth Oaks- Just Jenda

Also,

Hall of Fame- Straight Story, Couragous Cat over Lime Rickey

Continental Mile- Icy Stare

Gardenia Handicap- Whirlie Bertie

La Jolla- Gretsky, Mark S the Cooler over I'll Show Them

I love Visit going 1 1/8.

Musketier should be pressured enough for Quijano, who will improve with the extra furlong.

And good luckk to anybody (beside RA) beating Just Jenda if she repeats the same run as the last out.

Big Al 14 Aug 2009 2:07 PM

       SWORD DANCER

SHANDLER most likely right about Muskrtier but i"ll take Rising Moon

SHANDLER:is it wise to keep Lauro out of your exacta

you also do not respect Better Talk Now

       Longacres mile

Assessement but only if I get 6-1 odds.bad bad post is right

        John c Mabee

I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT VISIT.

         MON OAKS

MALIBU PLAYER IS VERY FAST Early on top with Hightap second

steve s 14 Aug 2009 2:17 PM

Sword Dancer:  Grand Coutourier wins. Been pointed at this race for a longtime and should take care of business.

Longacres Mile:  Teide wins.  Teide has been peaking over the past two races and comes into this races in perfect form.  He was within a length of both G1 winner Mr. Sidney and G1 Whitney winner Bullsbay last year, so he definitely has the class.  Solid pick.

John Mabee:  Visit wins.  Tough race to figure out.

Northwesterner 14 Aug 2009 3:09 PM

Jason,

Love your pick in Sierra Sunset in the Mile. I see him sitting just off the speed as well. The race comes up with plenty of speed as usual, but not tough in competition. Should get a nice price.

In the Mabee, I'll be surprised to get 4/1 on Magical Fantasy. She's found the knack to win and the race should set up nicely for her. I would've gone with visit, but if you look back at the Gamely, she went right by that pretty easily. Visit seems like the type that you have to time it perfectly with her, or she'll hang. Heck, could be those two.

As a good stab, I'll take Brushburn in the Real Good Deal tonight @ Del Mar.

The Rock 14 Aug 2009 3:48 PM

Rock: Just had a long conversation with Sierra Sunset trainer Jeff Bonde. He says this horse could not be doing any better. He was a legit Derby horse last year before his ankle injury. They could have brought him back sooner, but they waited patiently. My guess is he runs BIG this weekend, and may be a real live horse in the BC Dirt Mile. Here's the link to the story

www.bloodhorse.com/.../sierra-sunset-on-his-way-back-to-the-top

jshandler 14 Aug 2009 3:52 PM

Jason,  Nice story on Sierra Sunset.  It is always nice to see a horse come back well after such a long layoff.  The Longacres Mile looks like a wide open race, I'll be rooting for Sunset.

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 4:03 PM

Does anyone else like Lime Rickey coming from the clouds in the HoF today?

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 4:11 PM

I am with you Rock...for the second Friday night at Del Mar in a row!  Brushburn loves Del Mar and I love the pace scenario.  Keep feeding us these live horse...Go Rock Go!

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 4:24 PM

A horse named Fluke just ran second in the 7th at Saratoga. I felt I at least had to mention on this blog. lol

jshandler 14 Aug 2009 4:27 PM

Got Pick Six (the horse not the exotic bet) at the Spa.  Go Lime Rickey!

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 4:27 PM

I saw the Fluke run.....he made a big move at the end but alas.....like the BLUGGER that invented the word.....HE FINISHED 2ND BEST

LAZMANNICK 14 Aug 2009 4:44 PM

So much for Rickey...Mott has another very good looking turfer in Courageous Cat a son of the excellent mare Tranquility Lake.

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 5:05 PM

The Fluke finished 2nd ? Lol... even he does better than Mine That Third.

Draynay 14 Aug 2009 5:39 PM

Jason,

Thanks for the link. Love the fact he got a work over the track. This horse just looks much more comfortable on dirt than synthetics. Lets hope he comes through.

ABZ,

My at one time "derby horse" returns in the 4th @ Del Mar. Details R Sketchy is the name. His debut was very nice. Won handy. One second time out at 1/9 @ SA. They threw him into a stakes and he didn't get a great ride that day. 2 to 3 year old angle is my fave, but Carla Gaines throws him into a 5f turf sprint against another entrant of hers, Dancing in Silks, who I think is going to be double tough. I'll probably watch this time and play the latter horse, but watch out when Details R Sketchy goes back on the Poly/Pro-Ride. You'll get a nice price.

The Rock 14 Aug 2009 5:42 PM

ABZ:

I'm not going to knock the North American horses you listed, although I think quite a few were/are far from world-class. In my list of Euro horses, I actually went back to 97' to make it a little more competitive because 97' and 98' were maybe my two favorite years of racing in North America. So, I will concede that with Skip Away, Gentlemen, Formal Gold, Silver Charm, Touch Gold, Free House, Awesome Again, Real Quiet, and Victory Gallop, the North Americans at least give the Euros a run.

However, if one looks at this decade, 2000-present, the Euro advantage(at least as I see it) really becomes exagerrated. From 1997-1999, the only Euros I lose from my list are Singspiel, Swain, Pilsudski, Daylami, and Royal Anthem. The Americans which are dropped from the list include the overall best horse, Skip Away, as well as Hall of Famer Silver Charm, and the others just mentioned.

If we look at racing this decade in North America, is there any horse that would crack the Bloodhorse Top 50? Rachel and Zenyatta may do so, but they still have racing to go before then. Curlin? Inavasor? Tiznow? Ghostzapper? Lava Man? Maybe a few would make the Top 100, but are any of these horses better than Holy Bull, who was ranked #64? Are any better than Alysheba, who was ranked #42? I would have trouble ranking any horse from this decade higher than Alysheba.

On the otherhand, there have been a number of horses in Europe this decade that have been widely celebrated as being among the greatest in that continent's history.  These horses include: Montjeu, Dubai Millennium, Sinndar, Giant's Causeway, Sakhee, Fantastic Light, Galileo,Rock of Gibralter, Dalakhani, Ouija Board, Hurricane Run, Dylan Thomas, Yeats, Zarkava, and possibly Sea the Stars this year.

As I mentioned in my lookback to the Breeders Cup Turf, it was the 99' running that seems to have changed the balance. After winning that running, Euros have won the 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008 and deadheated for win in the 2002 Breeders Cup Turf. North America has had alot of solid runners this decade, but I truly believe Europe has had more elite, world-class horses.

GunBow 14 Aug 2009 7:01 PM

Wow! 6/5 on Details R Sketchy! Wasn't expecting that. I can't believe he could be that live against this bunch. This is a tough race to make a comeback. If he wins first out, he'll be a very very serious horse to look out for later in the year.

The Rock 14 Aug 2009 7:20 PM

Where is Pursuit of the Cup?

DT's setting in, must have!!

Kat 14 Aug 2009 7:21 PM

BETTER TALK NOW WAS CLOSING FAST IN HIS THIRD TO GIO PONTI, HE LOOKS GOOD TO TAKE THE SWORD DANCER.

DANYLSON 14 Aug 2009 7:24 PM

The Rock,

     I took both of your picks  in Race #4 at Del Mar, Thanks!  Not a huge price, But a nice exacta win, $20 boxed for $300, Nice, Thanks Again...

Greg J. 14 Aug 2009 7:40 PM

Draynay

Take off your straw hat and quite saying he-haw.

LAZMANNICK 14 Aug 2009 8:33 PM

Well done GunBow, I always value your opinion.  

My next argument on the side of the USA would be:  If the USA ran almost completely on one surface, as Europe does, would we have a less watered down group and therefore a stronger claim to the world's elite horses?  Or anther way to look at it, Which is greater our superiority on dirt or Europe's superiority on turf?

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 8:52 PM

Rock, Carla Gaines ran one-two.  You are my new Del Mar star handicapper.  I will keep an eye on Sketchy in the future.  Let's go Brushburn!

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 8:55 PM

GunBow

It's interesting to note that on your list of horses that you will concede to ABZ.....three are Canadian Bred.....Awesome Again, Victory Gallop and Formal Gold…..In addition, Touch Gold is listed as an American Bred, but that is only because he was dropped in the US…..His sire Deputy Minister and dam Passing Mood are both Canadian Breds and he is, in fact, a half brother to With Approval a Canadian Triple crown winner and 2nd in the BC Turf to In The Wings…..(This makes a mockery of Draynay's contempt against Canadian horses).

Two others on the list are South America bred (Gentleman and Invasor)…..This makes your overall assessment of American Bred race horses from this group very limited.

That could be another reason why some (me in particular) keep on harping about the good old days.....There have been some nice horses during the last 10 to 12 years…..certainly all that ABZ listed and probably more, but overall the depth pales to what it should be…..What really stands out, I think, is the fact that so many prominent USA stallions are sold off to European/Japanese breeders…..It would be a lot different if some of them remained (Sunday Silence for instance), and if breeders and buyers had a different objective when breeding (distance and foundation as opposed to speed, etc).

Then there is the problem of racing careers.  It seems as soon as a horse establishes itself it is off to the breeding shed.  Not many get the chance to develop into their full potential.

LAZMANNICK 14 Aug 2009 9:10 PM

Carlos: Im embarrassed to be an Eagles fan right now. It's going to hard to root for them, honestly. Vick is a disgrace. Some things are not forgivable in my book. I dont believe for a minute that he is remorseful either. And the fact is, he isnt even a good QB! Never was! He's a good athlete who never understood the position. Terrible news.

jshandler 14 Aug 2009 9:26 PM

Hi Jason,

Thanks for your picks in the Longacres Mile! I live in Portland, so I plan on attending this years mile for the first time, instead of watching it on TVG! I like Sierra Sunset and Awesome Gem too. I don't think the local horses have a chance against them!

ALB 14 Aug 2009 10:00 PM

My best bet of the weekend stakes is I'll Show Them in the La Jolla at Del Mar.  Looks like a real runner who shold only improve and faces a weak bunch.

ABZ 14 Aug 2009 10:48 PM

Greg J.,

Nice going man. I was still @ work when the race went off. Didn't get that fuzzy feeling going into the race, but i'm glad the two horses I mentioned came through for ya. Way to go!

ABZ,

Well, Brushburn didn't come through today. His value got chopped in half, so I decided to pass on the race instead. M One Rifle is going to be one tough customer in the Cal Bred division, and he has more than enough talent to tackle open company. He'll be a big force in the Cal Cup/Sunshine Millions, if he stays healthy of course. I'm handicapping Sunday's Del Mar card, as I'll be out there with a couple of buddies mine. I'll try to get on 58 flat with Matt Carothers as well. My bro told me he mentioned me last sunday as I was telling him all the horses I liked @ Del Mar that day. I didn't really give him a chance to talk either. lol! But its cool. I'll see if he recognizes me on Sunday. I've capped the first 7, and I'll tell you right now, i'm putting down a $200 Exa in Race 2. Cocoa Belle to Ashley Kitty. Its only a 5 horse field, and they will be the top two choices, so not much value but that's my hammer race. And early on in the day I'll know if it will be a good or bad one. Be back with the rest of my spot plays for Sunday.

The Rock 14 Aug 2009 10:50 PM

Sword Dancer:

Americain

Quijano

Grand Couturier

Mabee:

Visit

Magical Fantasy

Crafton 14 Aug 2009 11:29 PM

Jason,

Watching Vick give his remorseful spiel today I thought : another wolf in sheep's clothing. I was never an Eagles' fan, but this is NOT going to win me over.

Don't feel embarassed, you did not hire him. I feel the same as you do about his revolting conduct and I'm not convinced of his sincerity.

Time will tell...but I won't hold my breath.

Zookeeper 14 Aug 2009 11:30 PM

Sword Dancer:

Grand Couturier, Lauro, Brass Hat,

Rising Moon, (Exacta Box).

tcc 15 Aug 2009 12:13 AM

Laz:

I have been trying to stress that I am looking at North American horses, not just US horses. Both ABZ and I were looking at the top North American horses, which, obviously, includes Canada. More specifically, we were looking at North American Based horses, which can include horses bred outside the US or even North America.

I am right with you in thinking the top horses in North America this past decade do not stack up with those of the past. We've had some very good horses this decade, but in the 70s or 60s a legitimately great horse would come around about every other year.

On a side note, harness racing in North America this decade has been about as good as ever. Unlike thoroughbreds, standardbreds continue to get faster and faster, with the times of even the greatest horses from  20 years ago paling in comparison to what the horses of today are running. In general, stakes and track records have fallen by 2-4 seconds over the last 20 years. It was not long ago that pacing a 1:50 mile was considered a huge achievement. Now, even non-stakes horses routinely run such times, and even trotters(which generally are 3-5 seconds slower than pacers) are now threatening the 1:50 mile.

The last 2 US + Canadian champions, the trotter Donato Hanover(2007) and pacer Somebeachsomewhere(2008) are widely considered two of the greatest to have ever raced. Donato Hanover was a top 2 and 3 year old, winning 17 consecutive races at one time, and finishing 19 for 22 with a 2nd and a couple 3rds. Somebeachsomewhere won 20 of his 21 starts, and lost that one other race by a nose in 1:47 flat. This year, Hambletonian(trot) winner, Muscles Hill, is already drawing the "great" word as is the winner of the $1.5 million North America Cup and $1 million Meadowlands Pace, Well Said.

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 1:10 AM

Hit the late pick 4 at the spa.

Who's never heard of the tampa to suffolk to saratoga angle, works everytime.

Anyways i really wanted to ask Shandler if you think Couragous Cat surpasses the talent of former Mott Hall of Fame winner After Market?  The time was very fast, and he was just loping along at the finish.  Interesting quote from Bill Mott "If (owner) Marty decides to move this one to California, now I got to go with him, I let the other one go (After Market), I can't let him go." Can't let him go!!!! Big words from mr. Mott.  Looks to me like the early Hollywood Derby favorite, after a persumed start in the Jamaica at Belmont 10/10. But, I'm just speculating on the issue would love to hear your opinion.

Also, the Virginia Derby form looks very odd to me. Take the Points wins the Secretariat, so you would think Lime Rickey and Straight Story would show up, but both ran terrible. The fractions could have been to hot for SS, but Lime Rickey had no excuses. Shandler, do you question the Va Derby's form? I suppose all will be ratified in the Del Mar Derby.

Big Al 15 Aug 2009 2:57 AM

Jason - spot on with your comments re: Vick and the Eagles. What a PR disaster!  As for Mr Vick, forgive - maybe. Forget - NEVER! (And I've loved Donovan since he was in my home town, Syracuse. He was always ready to lend a hand for any charity that needed him. What was he thinking, to champion Vick! Dammit, Donnie!)

merlinmerry 15 Aug 2009 3:11 AM

After reading about Sierra Sunset, I will have to put him in with Awesome Gem in the Longacres Mile.  I love my locals and they have taken the mile the last several years, so I am pretty confident that a shipper will win on Sunday.  

Assessment could but up a good effort for third place, but that 12 hole really killed his chances and he would have been the best of our locals.  Kruger Park was tough at the sprints, but seemed to faulter at the routes so I really don't expect much from him.  This year is not Wasserman's year at all and has been a local fave of mine since 2006.  Maybe I will put a show bet on him if his odds are 10-1 or more, but do not think he can do much more damage there.  

I think the Oaks will be great with a battle between Elusive Horizons and Holy Nova after they ended up in a dead heat last time out on the 26th.  Probably put those two with Awesome Gem, Sierra Sunset and Autism Awareness for my little exotic bet of picking the winner for both the Oaks and the Mile.

ALB- I would purchase a voucher and use the kiosks Longeracres Mile Day at Emerald Downs.  Last year it was so busy that you had to bet three races in advance, and the lines at the kiosk are shorter for those who are waiting till the actual race:)  Good luck to you Sunday!!! I usually spend half my time betting after an all nighter of deciding my choices the other half with my camera in hand down at the paddock.

silverscrngirl 15 Aug 2009 3:22 AM

Bombs away with Trumpet Player Jay in the mile!

Matthew W 15 Aug 2009 5:25 AM

Gretsky tom with Go Go.....

Matthew W 15 Aug 2009 5:26 AM

Inside speed dominated at Del Mar today---Hard to say about M One Rifle because of that---still, he is a nice colt....wire to wire at 7 fur is a good sign he'll go on....strong in stretch....leaning toward Sahadi/Gotta Have It Sun in the Maybee....Joel Rosario is becoming the top Jock in SoCal and he's live in most races it seems....

Matthew W 15 Aug 2009 5:36 AM

GunBow

I know what you mean.  I'm just tryng to come up with a logical explanation as to why thoroughbred racing in the US doesn't seem to be what it used to be.....Too much is leaving the country, either after auction or when racing careers are finished, and there is not enough coming back to offset it.

Another thing is that we concentrate on three different surfaces now instead of one.  Here turf racing comprises about 25% to 30% of total racing.....if that much.....I don't have figures but I would guess that in the UK probably 98% or so of their racing is on grass.

You're right about standardbreds.  Much in that game has changed.  Drivers are smaller, equipment lighter, track surfaces quicker, many more-catch drivers than there used to be, classier horses are hitting the track because of outstnading breeding programs, a result of outstanding stallion prospects remaining in N/A.

I remember Bret Hanover.....He won something like 58 of 62 races.  I saw him race once.....his mile in 2.01 an change (he was a sub 2.00 minute pacer).....that was in a stakes race and was acceptable.....At that time no trotter even remotely came close to 2.02 or 2.03.  Last week in the Hambletonian Mucle Hill went in 1.50 and change.....unbelievable.

LAZMANNICK 15 Aug 2009 11:31 AM

Speaking of M One Rifle, does anyone know the breeding for his sire, One Man Army?  Kind of thought M One might have been out of Garand as his dam, but..

I can't find One Man Army listed in the Stallion Register.

I wonder if the German bred MG 42, by Schmeisser out of Big Bertha by Krupp is as fast.  Headley's boy is very quick.

berttheclock 15 Aug 2009 11:37 AM

ABZ:

The three different surfaces of North America, the much greater variety of distances run(with much less races at classic distances and much more races at sprint distances), and the sheer number of tracks and gr.1 races does waterdown the competition, in the sense that many of the best horses are able to avoid each other by running in gr.1 races in different parts of the continent, at different distances, and on different surfaces. At the same time, this variety gives horses that do not fit a particular surface or distance a chance to shine.

In Europe, if a horse cannot run a classic distance on turf, maybe they can still find some glory at a mile. However, if they either can't get a mile or don't like turf, the opportunities are very light. Honestly, I am far from being an expert of Euro racing, and the Euro list I compiled includes only those horses I have heard of, and thus is light on sprinters, females, and even milers. I'm sure some of our felow commenters from Europe could fill us in on horses from the divisions I am less familiar with. What's great about the Euro focus on 8+ furlong turf racing is that the top horses often have no choice but to face off against each other, producing great duels like those between Giant's Causeway and Kalanisi in the 2000 Juddmonte International and Eclipse Stakes(which also included Sakhee and Fantastic Light), Fantastic Light and Galileo in the 2001 King George + Queen Elizabeth and Irish Champion Stakes, the 2000 Epsom Derby(Sinndar vs. Sakhee), the 2000 King George and Queen Elizabeth (Montjeu vs. Fantastic Light), the 2000 Arc (Sinndar vs. Montjeu), 2000 Champions Stakes (Kalinisi vs. Montjeu), the 2001 Prince of Wales(Fantastic Light vs. Kalanisi), the 2002 Epsom Derby(High Chaparral vs. Hawk Wing + Moon Ballad), 2002 Arc(Marienbard vs. Sulamani, High Chapaaral, Islington), 2003 Irish Champion Stakes(High Chapparal vs. Falbrav, Islington), 2003 Arc(Dalakhani vs. High Chapparal), 2004 Juddmonte Intl(Sulamani vs. Bago), 2004 Gran Premio de Jockey Club(Shirocco vs. Electrocutionist), 2004 Arc(Bago vs. Ouija Board), and on and on..(sorry, got to stop) up to the present with races like this year's Epsom Derby(Sea The Stars vs. Fame and Glory) and Coral Eclipse(Sea the Stars vs. Rumplestiltskin, Conduit, Cima de Triomphe).

I would think that because North America races on dirt and turf that it's advantage over Europe on dirt is greater than Europe's advantage on turf. Given the top Euros do not run on dirt, at least until they come to America, it is hard to rate them on dirt. However, throughout the Breeder's Cups this decade, Europe has proven that it has horses that can compete with best Americans on dirt, although these horses are often challenging to identify beforehand. It should also be noted that Euro or former Euro based horses won 4 of the first 8 Dubai World Cups(5 if the ambiguous Street Cry is included). So, right now I would rate Gio Ponti closer to Sea the Stars on turf than I would rate any Euro to Rachel/Quality Road on dirt. However, I'm sure after the Breeder's Cup we will see that there are at least 2 Euro horses that are absolutely world class on dirt(well, Santa Anita's Pro-Ride).

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 12:28 PM

The budget crisis in Michigan has almost ruined stakes racing in Michigan. In the past, the top Michigan breds could count on, at the least, being able to run in $50,000 stakes exclusively for MI-breds. Since the end of June, however, the purses for MI-bred stakes have been reduced to $20,000. The purse decline really hasn't hurt the quantity or quality of the fields for these stakes because there are still few places where MI-breds could be competitive in races worth $20,000. However, if this purse decline continues into next year and beyond, it could severely damage the incentives breeders have to stand stallions and mares in Michigan and the incentives owners have to buy Michigan breds. With purses at $50,000 owners had the possibility to earn $500,000 over the career of a top Michigan bred; now, it might be hard to make $200k with the same quality of horse. With the opening of Pinnacle, purses were supposed to go the opposite direction. If it gets worse, why would anyone want to breed, buy, or race in Michigan?

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 12:39 PM

I'll amend my Sun pick in The Mabee...I'll INCLUDE Gotta Have Her in my ex box, but my pick is Meydan Princess! I loved the way she accellerated through the inside--many horses won't or will hesitate and as they say, "SHE who hesitates is lost"!!---Well, as it seems, she has the two hole/gonna get that rail trip again, Del Mar turf is a trip course, and Meydan Princess has shown she will go there and take the trip--she's my pick.....Speaking of inside stalking trips, Longacres Mile tom!!! What a great race, I have never been to Emerald Downs but what a place Longacres was...I was stunned by all of the giant pictures, hung all over that great yellow place, of past Mile champs! Horses like Trooper Seven! And Chinook Pass was one of if not the fastest horse I ever saw...But I digress...My pick for the huge upset is Trumpet Player Jay....light weight...inside (enough) post to not lose ground--can go early / Michael Baze then can reign him in on the bend (hopefully let him go outta there/give his head/but get him back right away)--he'll be 3rd on the far turn from that point/ get first run, aka the McCarron position, which is the time-proven trip that wins a two-turn mile race! "Fly Me To The Moon", Trumpet Player Jay.....

Matthew W 15 Aug 2009 3:18 PM

berttheclock:

One Man Army (1994), His sire: Roman Diplomat, His Dam: Precious Jet. M One Rifle, His Dam is Leanessa.

tcc 15 Aug 2009 3:51 PM

Jason,

 If we get lucky the NFL will schedule your Eagles to play my Browns in Cleveland next year. Mike Vick subjected to the Dawg Pound would be interesting to say the least!

longwaytomay 15 Aug 2009 4:38 PM

Sipe to the corner... Ozzie is there... touchdown !!!  The Cardiac Kids do it again!  Ahhhh memories.

Draynay 15 Aug 2009 7:27 PM

Good run by the old warriors Better Talk Now and Brass Hat in the Sword Dancer.  They both had a chance to win another grade 1 race in a field that really wasn't gr.1. My pre-race suspicion as to the quality of the Sowrd Dancer field was heightened by the result. Telling, the Sword Dancer winner, was only coming off a 5th in the Arlington Handicap(although that race's winner, Just As Well, came back to be a good 2nd in the Million), and was 6th in the ungraded Tin Man Stakes at Arlington before that. Another Arlington Handicap also-ran, runner-up Gentleman Chester, ran 4th in the Sword Dancer. Prior to that race, Gentlemen Chester had been beaten by old-timer Fort Prado in the off-the-turf non-graded Black Tie Affair for Illinois breds.

Chop chop Chavez on Lauro, Jono Jones on Musketier, John Velazquez on Americain, and the German rider Starke on Quijano probably deserve to be questioned for a 23 and 2 first quarter and 46 and 4 half. However, the pace really dropped off after that, somewhat unusual for a turf race. The 3rd quarter went in 24 and 1, and then both the 4th and 5th quarters only went in 25, slow internal fractions for a turf race(where the quarters usually get quicker as the race goes on). With the late runners gunning, Telling did close in a respectable 24 and 2. All in all, a weirdly run race.

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 8:06 PM

Laz:

I agree that racing in North America has been hurt by the selling-off of stallions. The sale of Sunday Silence to Japan was an absolute KILLER. Just like on the track, people underestimated Sunday Silence's breeding potential, and thus North America lost what turned out to be the stallion that elevated Japanese racing to an elite level. Thank goodness folks in the US were smart enough not to let a "lowly" Cal-bred, Tiznow, be purchased away.

Laz:

Good to see you follow harness racing too. Yes, the times just keep getting more ridiculous. With no thoroughbred racing within 2 hours of Detroit between 1998 and 2008, I stumbled into harness racing in 2004.  Even as far north as Detroit, they run the standardbreds year round.

However, my first trip to a harness track came in the Breeders Crown at Woodbine in 2004. Woodbine hosted the Breeders Crown Saturday night and then ran the Canadian International + EP Taylor the next day(Sulamani won the International in awesome fashion w/ a 115 Beyer, running on the beautiful and spacious EP Taylor turf course instead of the Breeders Cup at Lone Star).

I was lucky enough to see both Donato Hanover and Somebeachsomewhere on the same night in September of 2007 at Mohawk just outside Toronto. Donato easily captured the $1 million Canadian Trotting Classic for win #16 in a row(I  made a mistake in an earlier post. Donato Hanover actually won 19 consecutive races. He finished 3rd his first race, then won 19 straight before running 2nd and 3rd in his final 2 starts.) Somebeachsomewhere won the Nasagaweya  Stakes that night at Mohawk, part of a 10 race win streak to begin his career(and after a 2nd by a nose, he finished his career with 10 more consecutive wins). The following day at Woodbine, I saw Shakespeare out-battle Kip Deville in a thrilling renewal of the $1 million Woodbine Mile. For a mix of both world-class thoroughbred and standardbred racing, Toronto is probably 2nd only to the New York area.

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 8:44 PM

With old-timers Better Talk Now and Brass Hat running 2nd-3rd in the Sword Dancer, I would like to bring attention to another wonderful older horse, Meadow Vespers. Most are probably not familiar with Meadow Vespers. Although he has won over $450k, as a Michigan bred he runs in relative obscurity.  His biggest wins have come at the now defunct Great Lakes Downs and newly opened Pinnacle Racecourse.  When he does run outside of Michigan, it has been at the sparsely attended Thistledowns in Cleveland. Meadow Vespers has made $450k the hard way, one $50k Michigan bred stakes race at a time(as I mentioned in an earlier post, the purses for MI-bred stakes have dropped to $20k).  He has tended to deliver his best in the biggest races, winning 4 Michigan bred championship races(he won the 05' championship race for MI-bred 3 year olds and then won the last 3 MI-bred championship races for older males- the first 3 of those championship races carried a purse of $125k, the last a purse of $85k). Even when he doesn't win, Meadow Vespers almost always puts in an honest run; in a 32 race career, he has finished in-the-money 29 times, with 13 wins.

Not only does Meadow Vespers excel on the track, but he is also full of personality. He is just one of those cool, old, professional horses that takes everything in stride and always seems to be in control. Meadow Vespers is far from being a graded stakes horse, but he is one of the few gems in Michigan racing.

As a side story: before winning today's Michgian Breeders Cup(ironic because 6 of the 7 entrants were geldings, including Meadow Vespers), Meadow Vespers had run in an allowance/optional claimer July 30th at Thistledown, carrying a purse of $35,000.  In the field facing off against the Michigan champ was Ohio's version of Meadow Vespers, Catlaunch. An 8 year old gelding, Catlaunch has been a staple of the $50k Ohio bred stakes races, and was champion male or handicap horse in 2006, 2007, and last year, when he was also named Ohio bred horse of the year.

In the "epic" battle between champions from two states that share a fierce sporting rivalry, I am happy to report that the Michigan bred, Meadow Vespers, emerged victorious, with Ohio bred Catlaunch in 2nd.

GunBow 15 Aug 2009 9:31 PM

Thanks, tcc

Matthew W, Emerald is similar to the old Longacres.  Speed and inside positioning kills at a mile.  More than one So Cal invader has tried to run off the pace in order to pick the pockets of the locals.  Many have been defeated.  You either have to overpower the locals in class or flat outrun them on the inside.  Plays a lot like bull rings.  Speed and stay out of trouble.  One of the greatest rides in Mile history was by the late Ron Hanson.  He laid behind the leaders going into the turns, then cut the rail ala the old Pomona.  In the far turn, the So Cal leader went wide, while Hanson cut inside of him and won.  Heck of a rider, if you only knew which ticket he had in his boot.  I've also seen locals win by gunning out of the gate and never looking back.  It takes a horse of the caliber of Sky Walker and a rider such as Pincay to overwhelm the locals.

berttheclock 15 Aug 2009 9:49 PM

Berttheclock-

I have to agree with you about the inside horses usually coming in from the inside posts at the track.  It has been very speed favoring this season as well.  Poor Wasserman hasn't had a strong enough kick to get himself past the speedy horses up front this season like in 2008. The locals can be tough, but they have taken the Mile four years in a row and it makes me think a shipper will take it this time around.  

I wished there were a few more trees surrounding Emerald Downs, so that the fans did not have to look at the buildings that line the backstretch of the track.  But if you look towards the finish line on a nice day you have a great view of Mt. Rainier:)  

silverscrngirl 16 Aug 2009 12:32 AM

For the Longacres Mile, Awesome Gem is certainly the class of the race, but he really doesn't fit with the other out-of-towners that have won the race. Horses like Skywalker, Judge Angelucci, Simply Majestic, Louis Cyphre, Isitingood, Wild Wonder, Budroyale, Irisheyesareflying, and Sky Jack had excellent tactical speed while Awesome Gem is a closer. With a large field and tighter turns, Awesome Gem will have to be well ridden to avoid being carried wide on the final turn.

Speaking of past winners, Sky Jack deserves special mention. This might sound like blasphemy to some New Yorkers, but Sky Jack was somewhat of a California Commentator. Sky Jack developed into a very good horse almost overnight in the Fall of 2000 as a 4 year old, winning the Cal Cup Classic easily before taking the gr.3 Native Diver at Hollywood Park with a 122 Beyer. Unfortunately, a chip in one of his knees kept him on the sidelines for 15 months. He returned in 2002 to win an allowance race with a 110+ Beyer, but performed poorly when thrown into the Santa Anita Handicap. Best when he was able to open up early, Sky Jack became embroiled in a speed duel in the Big Cap and faded to last.

After some time to recuperate, Sky Jack won Hollywood Park's gr.3 Mervyn Leroy wire-to-wire by open lengths with a 115 Beyer. Again, Doug O'Neil threw him into grade 1 company for the Hollywood Gold Cup, but this time, on his home track, Sky Jack did not fold when challenged early. After setting a fast and contested pace in the Gold Cup, Sky Jack kept running and won the race by a nose, earning another 115 Beyer. In his next race, however, Sky Jack was pressed through brutal early fractions in the Pacific Classic and suffered another injury while finishing last.

Sky Jack was again able to recover and returned to the races in June of 2003 at Hollywood Park, winning an allowance in fast time with another big Beyer. O' Neil then shipped him up to Washington for the Longacres Mile, and Sky Jack romped by 6 while setting the stakes record of 1:33 flat.

Like Commentator, Sky Jack could run blazingly fast and earn huge Beyers if allowed to wing it alone upfront. Like Commentator, Sky Jack had a particular track where he would run his best races, a track where he was even able to handle early pressure and keep going to win graded stakes races. For Commentator, the track was Saratoga, for Sky Jack it was Hollywood Park. Like Comentator, Sky Jack suffered multiple injuries that limited his starts, but (like Commentator) some of his comback allowance races were absolutely sensational. Like Commentator, Sky Jack kept running past the normal retirment age, winning the Longacres Mile(a graded stakes) at age 7(Commentator's last graded win, the 2008 Whitney, came when he was 7 as well). Like Commentator, Sky Jack won 4 graded stakes races (actually Commentator officially only won 3 graded stakes races, with last year's $500,000 Mass Cap ungraded because of gaps in recent runnings) and a grade 1(of course, Commentator won 2 grade 1 races, the 05' and 08' Whitney).

Outside of California, most probably feel that comparing Sky Jack to Commentator is a stretch. While it is true that Commentator's two Whitneys were HUGE(123, 120 Beyers), what else did he really accomplish at the highest level of racing? Yes, he ran two other races in which he earned Beyers of 121 and 119, but those were in optional claimers. Outside of wins in the gr.2 Richter Scale and ungraded but rich($500k) Mass Cap, Commentator did most of his damage in non-graded New York bred stakes and optional claimers. When he ran in graded stakes races and had to deal with quality speed, he typically struggled, with the notable exception of the two Whitneys.

I do not want to come across as "bashing" Commentator, particularly since he was recently retired. Indeed, Commentator was a very exciting horse, and proved himself a fighter by overcoming multiple injuries and Father Time. Winning 2 Whitneys 3 years apart certainly testifies to his talent and ability to renew himself. However, if people think Commentator should make the Hall of Fame, then I say so should Sky Jack, and we all know that is not going to happen.  

GunBow 16 Aug 2009 1:01 AM

Can someone give me some facts and not theories concerning how synthetic tracks play more like turf then dirt.  Personally, Ive said before that I dont think they are safer as I think a good dirt track with good maintenance is just as safe if not safer.  But I still dont understand where turf horses have an advantage, maybe it might help some make the transition to dirt better but I have not seen a difference in the sire rankings in California or Canada(Woodbine), that tells me synthetics play for turf horses more than dirt horses. I still see Bold Executive as the major player in Canada, and I still see Bertrando, In Excess, Unusual Heat, Benchmark, Swiss Yodeler, OLd Topper, Cees Tizzy, etc. at the top of Cal Rankings.  Since the change to synthetics happened, the major races have been won or dominated by dirt horses. Lava Man, Heatseeker, Tiago, Albertus Maximus Colonel John, Well Armed,El Gato Malo, Zenyatta, Pioneerof the nile, I want Revenge, Papa Clem, Einstein, Idiot Proof, Student Council,Two Step Salsa, some of  these horses dominated California than went out and ran better or just as good outside of Cali on conventional dirt tracks. Rail Trip is a horse with a dirt pedigree who I believe will only move up when changed to that surface. If I have seen something is that the differences in Poly to Cushion to Pro-Ride does affect some horses performances, and cause some inconsistent results .  Good example is the filly Life is Sweet who loves Pro-Ride, is an ok mare running on Cushion, but not that good on Poly as we saw in her last start.  But that is not something we havent seen before.  I remember Skip Away could run everywhere except Churchill, and he could never get a hold well of Saratoga, Skimming hated belmont, like these there constant stories.  In kentucky at Turfway and Keeneland we have seen horses like Hard Spun and Street Sense run well in these courses as well as on other dirt tracks.  This past year Hold Me Back ran well in these two tracks, and probably wouldve had a better showing at Churchill had it not been for the terrible ride Desormeux gave him. Other notables have been Zanjero, Ball Four, General Quarters, Panty Raid, Great Hunter, Little Belle, who won major stakes at these tracks and later made successful transitions to dirt.  The only names That pop to my head who I have seen poly make a difference are Adriano, and these year Parading.  Although Parading didnt run a lick on Cushion at the Gold Cup last month, hence the insonsistency issue emerges again.  We can make a call for uniformity on tracks to even the playing field on every racetrack, but from a gambling angle, this is not good for the racetracks, as there has to be a sense of local advantage.  A homefield advantage.  Like in every other sport.  Last year that advantage worked pretty good for the local horses as Ventura, Zenyatta, Midshipman, Albertus Maximus, Desert Code, Midnight Lute,Forever Together, Maram, Stardom Bound, 9 American based horses took Breeders Cup Races, to me thats coming out on top, so I dont know why people say we got our rear end handed to us.  The only problem last year that still bugs us is that our beloved Curlin got beat in what has become the signature race for championship honors in the United States, the race that is the real one that matters the most in our sport, and thats THE CLASSIC.  Yeah, it hurt getting beat by european based  horses, but lets face it those two that came were the top two 3 year old colts in Europe, Goldykova and Zarkava might be called better than Ravens Pass and Henrythe navigator, but the facts are none of those fillies faced those two extraordinary colts who traded blows 5 times during the year.  And their pedigrees are American dirt pedigrees, and they were born here, where both of there sires have sired an american classic winnerin Smarty Jones and Lemon Drop Kid.  So I was not surprised they beat Curlin, hey its horse racing, anything cab happen in this sport, and that day it did.  Curlin got beat by two very good colts that were getting better around that time of year.  Personally I loved how Curlin put on his usual show, just hated Albarado´s ride that day, I still think he caused Curlin the win or at least second place, but woulda coulda shoulve, thats in the past.  As I think about it now that was a shoe in for the exacta, more than any other race that day, that was it. I never seem to listen to my granddaddy´s expert advice on exactas.  I remember back in the 2003 derby I was going crazy trying to figure out a horse to bet the exacta with Empire Maker, granddaddy told me to bet Funny Cide since he finished second to him in the Wood, I didnt listen to him and went with Buddy Gil and Peace Rules, well Granddaddy cashed in big that day on a $5K exacta box Empire Maker-Funny Cide.  Same thing, at the classic last year, Granddaddy cashed his $5K exacta box ticket.  In his words a great horse can run on anything, and the only thing that gets a great horse beat is his trainer or his jockey, because according to him the horse is smarter than both of them together.

Now back to the cup, I mentioned in another post that if our best horses dont go to the cup,and the best euros do come, its going to be a bloodbath, and I still stand by it.  Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta, Quality Road, Rail Trip, all these horses need to be in here.  We need our Tiznow of this year to step it up, and take on the Sea the Stars, Goldykova, Fame and Glory.  We cant back down.  We send some of our best horses to Dubai to take on the best of the world, but we wont run our best on our championship day, thats pathetic and gutless.  Its just like when Mineshaft ducked the Cup at Santa Anita.  Mineshaft ducked Medaglia all year, even at Oaklawn he didnt show up, Pacific Classic he didnt show up, Candy Ride was way above any horse that year, although I still believe we never saw the best out of Empire Maker.  I still remember Neil Howard worrying Empire Maker showing up at the Jockey Club Gold Cup, with a new rider in Edgar Prado who I believe probably fitted him better than Bailey.  To me Bailey caused this horse his loss, look at the replay at the derby in 2003, and it was Jose Santos more than Funny Cide, just look at the replay, Santos waving his whip in front of Empire Makers nose.  Remember what my granddaddy said earlier, the horse is smarter than the jockey or the trainer, well Empire Maker was never gonna go by Funny Cide that day.  It was a masterpiece of a ride as I have ever seen by a jockey, Santos that day was marvelous, and ticks me off that Bailey never seem to get what was going on.  Just look at it people and youll see Empire Maker ducking every time and slowing his stride everytime the whip was waving in front of him.

Last note, can anyone tell me whats going on with Albertus Maximus, Georgie Boy and Bob Black Jack, these last two I had as major players for the sprint earlier in the year.  

Oh, and this year I am listening to granddaddys advice.

EmilioP 16 Aug 2009 1:06 AM

berttheclock---My sentiments exactly! I think the best position at a two-turn mile is towards the inside with contending speed---Trumpet Player Jay has both---#4 post and ample speed to avoid being shut back into the turn.....I prefer the "cat bird seat", Chris McCarron's favorite place, just off the dueling pace...first run, and I think Trumpet Player Jay just may get that first run position by avoiding the wide trip into the clubhouse turn/not getting shuffled back....he should be in the front tier..hopefully behind a contested pace....I've seen several Longacre Miles, one of the "invisible jewells" of American Turfdom....Ya know MANY stables/horses/AND JOCKEYS up there campaign SOLELY at Emerald, taking the other six months off...and ya know what? There are SO many more of those "old time favorite" type of horses running up there!....Here's to The Longacres Mile!!! Here's to the GREAT Northwest!!!

Matthew W 16 Aug 2009 5:08 AM

berttheclock--I have viewed many Longacres Miles/have seen many come from Cali who were nowhere near as good as Skywalker win that race! I'm hopin' Trumpet Player Jay is one of them! Bonde's horse definitely scares me/but think 2-1 on Awesome Gem is a farce!--He'll have to pass them all--not Russell's forte/do not think that horse is good enough--and a local may jump up...maybe Gallon, Jim Penney has won this race--I believe one of his was Edneator, who just ran'em off their hooves! Both the Mabee and the Mile are real nice wagerin' races! John Mabee, Golden Eagle Farm, breeder/racer of Best Pal....

Matthew W 16 Aug 2009 7:02 AM

Just noticing, but i saw Just Jenda just won the Monmouth Oaks, guess like many of RA's fallen foes, she just comes back and flatters her even more. Funny people say she keeps beating up on inferior fillies when she beat this one along with others.

LDP 16 Aug 2009 7:15 AM

GunBow

Loved your post about Meadow Vespers and Catlaunch.....to me these types are the true stars.  They give all they have for so long and yet linger in relative obscurity…..the locals know all about them, but outside their circuits, who are these guys.....speaking of Woodbine.....they have really benefited with the slots program.....they had an allowance race the other day for 101K, regularly have allowance races in the 80-90K range, and have MSW for 60 to 80K.....before slots, their allowance races were mainly in the 23-25K range.....too bad they couldn't slip some of that cash into the Michigan program.....it's a killer when you see how they are struggling.....Fort Erie has similar problems and it is a shame…..they had originally planned on closing the track this year, but managed to keep it open…..I remember when it use to be part of the Ontario Jockey Club circuit…..Northern Dancer won the Summer Stakes there as a two-year old…..they use to have a spring meet and after Woodbine would have a summer meet…..similar to the Saratoga and DelMar concept…..One last word on Woodbine, the former chairman of the now defunct Jockey Club, Bud Baker recently passed away…..Baker used to own horses and raced Norcliff…..won the ’75 or ’76 Queen’s Plate with him, I’m not sure which…..the significance of Norcliff is that he sired Groovy who has the two highest officially recorded Beyers all time

Regarding harness racing, I used to be a big fan back in the day.….I still follow it but must admit not as much as I used to when I was a fanatic…..at one time or other I saw all the big horses in person…..Bret Hanover was always one of my favorites…..I watched Somebeachsomewhere’s race when he was defeated by a nose…..that was one of the most thrilling races of all time especially considering the way it was run and the significance of his streak…..the New Jersey and Ontario circuits are definitely the (big time) lifeline of the sport although it is still very popular on a number of smaller circuits……the improvement over the years has been phenomenal to say the least, especially the approach to it…..I remember a man named John Bosworth…..in the late 60’ and early 70’s he raced a lot of good horses…..he also drove a lot of them even though he weighed 300 lbs……could you imagine that today….he’s probably more than twice the size of most drivers now.

Have a good day GunBow….give us another one of you wonderful posts soon.

LAZMANNICK 16 Aug 2009 7:39 AM

I had never seen Telling before, I guess I'm not alone (LOL)...what a nice looking horse...a super pedigree...I hope he can repeat his performance, he looked like he could go around again...he's going to be a gem in the breeding shed for bone and structure, from what I could tell in the racing video.

How 'bout the " 'ol" guys! (it's funny to call 10 and 8 "old")...

da3hoss 16 Aug 2009 8:30 AM

Gunbow, you may not have noticed another good old guy at Saratoga yesterday. Stakes winner Hotstufanthensome ran in an allowance/optional claimer right before the Sword Dancer and finished third. He is nine years old and has won $750,000.

Tiznowbaby 16 Aug 2009 3:09 PM

Good call Tiznowbaby...as a fan of Monmouth Park racing, I have always enjoyed watching Hotstufanthensome run.  He is tough as nails and is always a threat to beat Grade 3 type turfers.  BTW, he had a rough trip yesterday.

ABZ 16 Aug 2009 4:14 PM

Word is...Quality Road's workout today was...Powerful!!!

ABZ 16 Aug 2009 4:27 PM

Jason: Who are you using with Visit

in the John C. Mabee? Lethal Heat is scratched.

tcc 16 Aug 2009 4:47 PM

Tiznowbaby:

I watched the Hotstufanthensome race from Pinnacle Racecourse in Michigan and did recognize the name. I was trying to think how I knew the name, but couldn't come up with it. Thanks.

By the way, an 11 year old ran at Pinnacle yesterday. His name is Generously, a gelding, and he has now made 127 starts in his career. He has won 18 races, with 19 2nds and 17 3rds (he was 4th yesterday). That's the most starts I have seen made by a thoroughbred in a while.

GunBow 16 Aug 2009 4:58 PM

Laz:

Thanks for your reply. Yes, Ontario and New Jersey are the most important state/province for harness racing.

Speaking of a Canadian harness track in decline, there is Windsor Raceway. Right across Lake St. Clair from Detroit, Windsor Raceway/Casino has been hurt by a proliferation of casinos in Windsor(Caesar's Palace) and Detroit. Windsor Raceway used to host the $500,000 Provincial Cup, a prep for the $1.5million North America Cup, as well as a bunch of Ontario Sired Stakes. The Provincial Cup was discontinued, and Windsor is now lucky to get a couple of "grassroots" days(grassroots is the lowest level of Ontario Sired programs).

GunBow 16 Aug 2009 5:04 PM

FYI,

    Anyone interested in this link, From the Emerald Downs Website, Pick the straight superfecta in the Longacres Mile Race and win a trip to the Breeder's Cup:

emeralddowns.com

Im going for long shots, I have:

1. Atta Boy Roy

2. Wasserman

3. Awesome Gem

4. Teide

Good Luck..

Finally, I have to say I was quite impressed with the two "old" boys, Better Talk Now and Brass Hat!, Congrats to them and their connections, And what can one say about, "Goldikova", WOW, What a machine...

Greg J. 16 Aug 2009 6:22 PM

Goldikova won a (G1) race today by 6 Lengths.

tcc 16 Aug 2009 7:26 PM

Look at Goldikova,  

Beating good males and traveling to face the best.  Her owners don't worry about her race record, because she has proved her greatness.

She may end up being the best mare to race in the US if she wins the Breeders Cup.

Skyfire 16 Aug 2009 7:33 PM

Quality Road with a 113 workout... very nice.  Should be a heck of a race between him and Kensei.

Draynay 17 Aug 2009 12:22 AM

Greg J.....

Check your emails.......... :)

StardustyRose 17 Aug 2009 1:52 AM

Superb ride by the Booger Mitchell.  No, Ken Rudolph, it is not Bugger.  However, he took a tactical speed horse from the 12 hole and tucked him on the rail behind the speed.  Atta Boy Roy set suicide fractions and became very leg weary.  Then, Gallyn, still saving ground angled him out just far enough to race by Atta Boy.  Russell Baze proved, once again, that he won many races in the Bay by being honest and getting the best mounts, not by being the best tactical rider.  He kept Awesome Gem too far back, then lost ground swinging wide into the stretch.

Congrats to the locals.  I was at Longacres when Gallyn first courted his wife.  She took control of his life and his book and made him into the rider he has become.  Great story all, with the Belvoirs, the Tices and the Mitchells.  

berttheclock 17 Aug 2009 9:54 AM

GunBow, I hope his conncections are as generous in his retirement as he has been to them ...keep an eye on him for us.

da3hoss 17 Aug 2009 11:26 AM

Well,

My exacta went up in flames @ Del Mar yesterday. Ended up taking a loss, but not a big one. Got a couple of big win bets in to make up for that Cocoa Belle race in the 2nd. Almost hit the late P3 with that 33-1 shot firster routing on the turf in the last race, but just couldn't pull the trigger, even though it was a wide open race. Man, the main track played totally differently than it did the two previous days. Friday & Saturday, you wanted to be on the rail and close to the lead. Sunday, all but one race on the main track were won by stalkers/closers. If the track bias @ Del Mar didn't change yesterday, I would've come out a big winner. But in order to be a good horse player, you gotta keep up with these factors. I did some quick adjusting afterwards. Also, Garrett Gomez is off my S**t list. =). The guy is starting to find his groove again. Replacing him on top is Aaron Gryder & Mike Smith. Gryder can't buy a winner. Besides Zenyatta, Smith is having a tough go at this meet.

The Rock 17 Aug 2009 12:06 PM

Gotta go with longwaytomay on this one. Vick vs the Dawg Pound would be entertaining. Maybe it would have been the only way for him to receive real justice for what he did. I still can't believe the Beagles (yes I'll call them the Beagles as long as Vick is on the roster) signed that sorry excuse for humanity. If torturing, maiming, and killing God's creatures isn't cause for a life-time ban the NFL has far more serious problems than we'll ever know. He should have been sentanced to a life-time of work at the local animal shelter upon release.

schabelli 17 Aug 2009 12:57 PM

Maybe we see the REAL Mine that Bird now with Breathing problem corrected.

SHOULD have won last two.

steve s 17 Aug 2009 1:11 PM

EVERYONE all wrong on pace in Sword Dancer

ALOT of the betters took a beating on that race

steve s 17 Aug 2009 2:38 PM

Well, Well...

     So Maybe there was an excuse for Mine That Bird Afterall?  I know this is minor surgery, But, Having the surgery tomorrow then to be ready in eleven days for the Travers?, Don't think so, I see him running in the Pennsylvania Derby instead on Sept. 7th...

Atta boy Roy, Those fractions were insane!, Still ran great but come on, Did the jockey really think he would last?  Congrats to Assessment, Didn't think he could overcome that 12 post...

Greg J. 17 Aug 2009 2:47 PM

Mine That Third has no business running in the Travers and should seek a much softer spot in the Pennsylvania.

Draynay 17 Aug 2009 5:02 PM

Really enjoyed all the standardbred banter and info.

Somebody "school" me why harness times have consistently dropped   the past 20 years and thoroughbred times haven't kept pace?

Dr. Fager's mile was a long time ago yet with all the improved training techniques and horse-track maintenance improvements, we can't get substantially faster times from thoroughbreds. Is it because all standardbreds basically are trained to run and timed at one distance?

We have the best 3-year-olds compete every year at Churchill at one and one-quarter miles the first Saturday in May, yet Secretariat's  record has stood for the last 36 years Any ideas? (Beyond the fact that Secretariat was a freak. So was Nihilator and Niatross yet I believe their records are long gone) Any opinions from my standardbred  friends?

steve from st louis 17 Aug 2009 5:09 PM

Magical Fantasy!  More girl power on the west coast.  Next stop Grade 1 Yellow Ribbon.

Householder 17 Aug 2009 5:22 PM

What's the word on Well Armed after his San Diego clunker?  Any news on the Pacific Classic?  The handicapping ranks seem a bit thin out west this year.

Householder 17 Aug 2009 5:42 PM

Emerald Downs?  Good grief...the infield lawn was brown.  What is there a drought there or something?  

Householder 17 Aug 2009 5:45 PM

Longacres Mile was great, especially since my fave Assessment took it:) Won my win/place/show and my trifecta on that race!!! Can not believe that Atta Boy Roy was running that fast and faded out. Poor Wasserman, that speedy track is not treating his closing ways well at all. Also Elusive Horizon being 100% around two turns winning the Emerald Distaff was fun to watch, she is on a roll.

silverscrngirl 17 Aug 2009 7:14 PM

Householder, Well Armed had an ankle chip removed following the San Diego.

Colonel John is pointing to the Pac Classic.

Tiznowbaby 17 Aug 2009 7:41 PM

Yes, Householder, there has been a record setting dry spell here in the Pac NW.  We had the first substantial rain last week since late May/early June.  Two weeks ago it was 106 degrees in Seattle (113 at my place)!  

Kat 17 Aug 2009 8:00 PM

Householder,

     "Well Armed" was found to have a small chip in his left front ankle after the San Diego Handicap  and underwent surgery last week.

     Also, I just found out that a horse I really like, "Magical Affair", out of Chiefswood Stable’s and trained by Michael Matz, She suffered a condylar fracture in her right front leg and was treated at the Saratoga Equine Veterinary Hospital. She got injured Friday following a five-furlong workout at Saratoga. She is out for the year and I really hope she heals well.  

Greg J. 17 Aug 2009 8:21 PM

Householder, WOW

Not too up to date?

Well Armed came out of the SD with an ankle chip, surgery was announced about 10 days ago.

He will miss the PC and probably the BC. A hard luck guy for sure, seems to be injury prone and in weird ways.

Dray, Kensei is running in the Woodward?? Thought Todd was speaking to you in your head and said QR wasn't going to the Travers?

" know Pletcher is still saying Quality Road is going to the Travers but I am not buying it until the gate opens.  He will follow Rachel to the Woodward.  Who takes a horse from 6 1/2 to 1 1/4 ?

Draynay 08 Aug 2009 8:37 PM"

So now QR AND Kensei are BOTH running in the Woodward?  Steve’s voice has joined the chorus?

"Quality Road with a 113 workout... very nice.  Should be a heck of a race between him and Kensei.

Draynay 17 Aug 2009 12:22 AM"

So that means RA is running in the weak Alabama? 3 yo fillies at 1 1/8(hmmm). Well she was nominated.

Why is Steve saying they're considering all races and will nominate the filly to the Penn Derby?  A softer spot for her?

Knew a kinder, gentler Dray on Steve's blog was bogus and only to get him to let you write on there.

MTB has an entrapped epiglottis,  explains a lot. Since it can be intermittent and doesn't cause the horse to breathe noisily but cough violently at the end of exercise, he might have had a situation which resolved itself, was intermittent and became permanent at some point (his workout).

This is the only horse who has been close to Rachel in the last few races, how dangerous and arrogant to overlook him.

Last I heard the reason they still run races is to see who can beat who and never say never.

Tim G 17 Aug 2009 8:22 PM

Householder

I heard that Well Armed suffered a bone chip.  There were a few articles about it and that seems to account for his dismal showing.

LAZMANNICK 17 Aug 2009 8:37 PM

Dray, you may have posted what seemed a fair comment about Zenyatta on Steve's blog and deceived some people, but you have proven yourself an unredeemed MTB detractor in your 5:02 comment here.  I didn't trust you about Zenyatta -- you're afraid of her as regards RA, aren't you? -- and you have proven here that your comments are undeserving of trust by any true lover of horses.

Bird is a classic "closer" in the style being discussed elsewhere in these BH blogs; but you will not give him any credit for a running style that is like that of so many greats of racing.  Many of us find that style the most exciting - not winning by 15-20 lengths at the front: winning by the same margin FROM THE BACK.  Now THAT is a real horse-race!  The Closers don't always Win, but they invariably make it a race to the wire for the eventual winner.

You know, there's an old idom: "if you can't say something nice about a horse, don't say anything."  Could you spare the board your snide remarks and just shut up, please?

That said.

My favorite winner over the weekend was Telling.  That horse totally loved the 1.5 miles and came into his own.  What a thrilling race that was!  He stayed with the front-running group and still had plenty left to show the big guys coming from behind.  Loved them all, but Telling earned that win in no uncertain terms.  That was the best Endurance race I've seen this this year.

sherpa 17 Aug 2009 9:36 PM

Tim G.,

      Thank You!, I thought I was the only one to see through Dray's sudden change of heart over on Steve's Blog, What a farce!  I honestly wish that was the true Draynay, But, Please, How can one say this:

 "I doubt if anyone cares that Zenyatta could go undefeated.  The path she took was the easy path and now she is little more than a state champion."

Draynay 24 Jul 2009 1:30 PM

THEN, Say this:

I would love to see her retire undefeated and take her place as one of the greatest fillies ever.  As a FAN why would I want anything else for Zenyatta, her connections and HER millions of young fans.

Draynay 13 Aug 2009 7:29 PM

I have to laugh, lol....

Greg J. 17 Aug 2009 9:56 PM

Yes, Householder - Kat said it best about the drought in the PNW.  However, the green you should have seen, even if they spray painted it as they golf courses in the area, was a turf course.  King Crockett has refused to put one in from day one at Emerald.  It hurts the turf bred Washington breds, who have to go south to either the bay or So Cal to race on turf.  It would also help training with the dirt to turf to dirt angle.  Good leg ups.  But, Nooooo

berttheclock 17 Aug 2009 10:13 PM

Householder..

Emerald Downs is a pretty low class race track.  It is like way at the bottom for ratings.  Not very good.  Seattle is beautiful but the tracks in Oregon and Washington are pretty busted up.    

StardustyRose 18 Aug 2009 2:57 AM

Householder:

The infield at Emerald Downs is pretty brown, but I have proof it is green lol!!

Here it is towards the begining of the season.(maddog78.deviantart.com/.../FSN-Handicap-down-the-backside-123938529)

We are in a drought, it happens every three years according to the news.  I looked back and my photo of the 2006 Longacres Mile and it shows a brown infield, so maybe this 3 year thing is true.  

silverscrngirl 18 Aug 2009 3:18 AM

FYI Racefans,  Sea the Stars will run this morning in the Juddmonte International at 1 1/4. It is only a five horse race, but he is facing a top 3-year-old miler, Mastercraftsman, coming off two Group I wins and a good handicap horse, Tartan Bearer, who just ran 2nd to Conduit.  Many of the U.S. simulcast hubs & online betting sites will show the race from York (England) at approximately 10:25 AM Eastern.

ABZ 18 Aug 2009 7:58 AM

Tim, what a bunch of garbage.  Do you have nothing to do ?  I never said Kensei is running in anything but the Travers and EVERYONE is convinced Quality Road is going to the Travers.  I am not sold until the gate opens.  Rachel is off to the Woodward and if I was Pletcher I would follow her.  Mind That Third is having surgery due to a recent problem.  No one is suggesting he had any breathing problems in his last race.  That is you looking for an excuse for him.  But I guess you have nothing to do so you just keep making things up.

Draynay 18 Aug 2009 8:50 AM

Actually the Alabama is 1 1/4 who knows if they want any part of that?

Rumor around the track is they are looking at the Penn Derby 1 1/8.

Seems like all the mystery around the filly is gamesmanship, not sportsmanship. Just say where you're going already alright.

(see Vic Z's post from today)

Quite a few echo the earlier blog by Vic Z when he commented about any horse using The Spa as a training track when 1700 horses weren't alloted stalls. Like he said, sure maybe the pub for her workouts were worthwhile, but probably are getting less so. As he also said "trainers that believe they deserve special treatment are a nuisance, especially in light of Saratoga’s incentive-based purse structure." Those taking up stalls with no intention of running are hurting the purse structure.

Make up your mind, give the track a chance to publicize if she is running at the meet. If she isn't? Send her to wherever she is running to train. My thinking is she'd be wherever Scott is. Time for that boy to go out on his own.

Tim G 18 Aug 2009 10:03 AM

Let's See, 15 minutes to post, "Sea the Stars" at 1-9, Mastercraftsman at 20-1, In a four horse field? If Mastercraftsman stays at 15-1 or more, I will taka a chance with $100 to win on him!, Worth the shot?, Probably not, But it will just keep my streak going in the last week of crazy picks, But, I am still playing with free money, lol......

Greg J. 18 Aug 2009 10:12 AM

"Sea the Stars" is one hell of a horse! Looked Mastercraftsman in the eye and flew by, Won by maybe a length and a Half, No problem at all, Very Impressive....

Went off at 1-5, Mastercraftsman at 5-2, Thank God I wasn't stupid, lol...

Greg J. 18 Aug 2009 10:31 AM

Just was on NTRA and saw the artical about the NTRA. I was thinking that if everyone ends up saying yes to this deal, what i would do is go in, actually the Alabama. She may meet up with Gossip Girl, who i remember some on these blogs as say she was even better than RA, so 1 1/4 against her would not be lacking in excitement. I myself think it would be a good race because it can be also like a test drive on how she will handle that distance, instead of just throwing her into a very hottly contested Travers, after she has faced many of the top colts already and beaten them in the 2 times she's gone against them. After that, if she performed like her normal self i would drop back to 8.5 furlongs in the Ruffian at Belmont as a prep against older fillies and mares and to just to kind of get her re-aclimated to her surroundings again. Now personally i wish NYRA would make this get togeather in the Gold Cup because for one they wouldn't have to boost the purse since it's 1mil already, and because you will have the top older horses, and 3yr old stars such as QR, SB, and MTB, along with RA and the Zen match up. Who wouldn't want to see that race? Also if i were JJ i would be torn to race Zen or go for that 1 1/4 against a fit QR, and a rematch against both SB and MTB. That race would be my choice over the Beldame, even if Zenyatta was in it. You all can tell me what you think of this kind of schedule, but be reminded this is only my take on thing and my opinion.

LDP 18 Aug 2009 12:01 PM

I just spoke with someone in the Rachel Alexandra camp.  This person is not a decision maker, but it is their belief that the Woodward will be her next race.  The main reason why is Kensei.  No big news, but interesting from an insider.

ABZ 18 Aug 2009 2:02 PM

Dray, no nothing much to do today.Dark day on my vac in Saratoga. When not on Vacation I have Wednesday afternoons off, if I don't have an emergency pop up and am on call. We did have dinner after the races last night and did a little shopping and lunch earlier. But thanks for asking. :-)

What my point is, the way you vacillate constantly. You said multiple times no way QR was going in the Travers and now you say it'll be a heck of a race between him and Kensei. So either Kensei is going in The Woodward,where you said you though QR would go or you were once again just throwing off the wall statements out there.

MUCH like your off the wall statements about MTB and your proclamations of LOVING the game SOOOOOOO much, like:"What I do know is most of us here have a love for the sport and want nothing more than the sport to prosper and do well.  I think its time we talk more about that and what we can do to make the sport better than spending out time fighting about which horse is the best or which one is better.

Draynay 14 Aug 2009 3:16 PM"

If continually calling MTB names is doing what's in the best interest of the game? LOL.

Do we really know what went on with MTB? Do you know what a trapped epiglottis is? As minor as holding their breath during a race, horses do that once in a while and it's nothing, sometimes it's a trapped epiglottis. All of that aside it's still not upholding your new standard to badmouth the horse.

Now you're so positive RA's running in the Woodward?

Steve himself said if she doesn't run in the Alabama she'll continue training up to here next start at Saratoga, just like she did for the Haskell. Now pair that with the rumors flying around here and it sounds like the Alabama or the Penn Derby. But since none of us are on Jess' consult list (for racing anyway) how do YOU who isn't even connected with racing know this?

A round of golf sounds good, maybe a stroll or something.

Tim G 18 Aug 2009 2:23 PM

Tim I have explained it 100 times. I don't care for Mine That Third at all.  There are a few horses I just don't like or care for and he is one of them.  I don't believe he is a G1 horse and so far every race other than the one he ran in the muck seems to prove that.

Draynay 18 Aug 2009 6:27 PM

We got it that you don't like him.

However, no need to name call because truthfully he's probably as, or more popular with the fans that we need to attract to the game, as any other horse right now.

It was on national news about his surgery.

What do you think made BB so well known? His victory in the Derby because THAT is the race that draws the celebrities (a lot of B listers but also a lot of A listers) and THAT is the race that gets the attention of the public. Like another blog said, people love the closer, people love the underdog or the average guy who can win that race.

Why on earth would anyone who supposedly LOVES the game try to demean or minimize the VERY horse that gives us some prominence and the spotlight? Not that any legitimate horseman would listen to your opinion, but it bothers me because a casual reader or someone just taking a look at the blogs to see how interesting the game is, would be turned off by it and think you actually matter in your opinion. That and the fact that you were spewing b.s. on Steve's blog as a kinder gentler Dray having an Obama moment (whatever that meant).

Rachel? Ask the casual fan, or the guys who watch ESPN and glance at horse racing. They Know the DERBY winner and THAT IS IT. THAT is what all of us in the game have problems with. Getting this game past the DERBY. But we haven't, so why not promote the Derby winner?

Big Brown wasn't my favorite Derby winner, have some reasons for that unrelated to the connections, didn't demean him or call him names. Fact is no one in the game really did that because he brought attention to the sport. We just tried to distance ourselves from his trainer. The public sees trainers like Dutrow and Asmussen as drugging ALL their horses. Not true, but that is the way it's perceived by the public.

So just don't refer to him at all. Ignore him, don't talk about him, that is what most mature people do when not overly fond of a horse.

Tim G 18 Aug 2009 7:55 PM

Well Said Tim....

Greg J. 18 Aug 2009 9:35 PM

Well Armed...Thanks to all who updated me.  I've been without internet access all summer.  Love this horse (even more after he almost stole the PC last year at double digit odds) and have seen him a couple of times up close (San Diego H 2008/Goodwood H). Let's hear it for geldings who want to run! (I kind of knew something was wrong in this year's San Diego). He has come back from far worse (fractured hip coming out of anestesia).  So I'm sure he will bounce back.

Householder 19 Aug 2009 7:01 PM

103 in Seattle! Wow.  I guess this would kill the grass.  

Householder 19 Aug 2009 7:04 PM

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