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Don't Read Too Much Into Works

"It was perfect."

"He's as fit and sharp as he's ever been."

"He's ready to roll."

These were the comments of Chip Woolley, Eoin Harty, and Bob Baffert, respectively, right after each of their BC Classic starters turned in their final works. Woolley, who has Mine That Bird, Harty (Colonel John), and Baffert (Richard's Kid), all sounded extremely confident that their horses would run the race of their lives on Nov. 7.

Later, I ran into Helen Pitts and she too was optimistic that Einstein would turn in a big one based on his recent training.

It was at that point that I bumped into a colleague and he and I shared the same thought: Has any trainer ever publicly said that their horse's work "wasn't what they wanted" or "left something to be desired?" If they have, I can't remember.

My point is, often times we tend to make too much of works, especially during big events like the Kentucky Derby and the Breeders' Cup. Each one is picked over in critical fashion, and the fact is, most times you'll find observers saying the same thing: "Wow, he looked great." Or, "he's getting over the track really well."

From a handicapping perspective, the works are often overrated. Baffert said it best: "I'm happy the way that he's been working, but you know, it's not the way they look in the morning that matters; it's who shows up on race day."

In the Classic especially, we are all looking for any edge we can get. It's one of the toughest Classics to handicap in a long time. There are so many variables with each horse--Zenyatta going against males at a new distance, Gio Ponti switching from turf, the Euros running on synthetics for the first time, Mine That Bird and Summer Bird facing elders, and so on and so forth. Works are part of the equation, but they are not everything. You will need to go much deeper with your handicapping in this race, and then you'll still need some luck to win.

For what it's worth, in my opinion, Richard's Kid's work was visually more impressive than anyone. He looked like an express train in the stretch.

But then again, you know what they say--all of them looked great.

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Quote of the morning went to Baffert, who when commenting on the time it took him to acclimate his training to synthetic surfaces said: "The first year they put Polytrack in at Del Mar I thought I was going to have to quit training and get a job selling shoes at Nordstrom."

Back tomorrow afternoon with thoughts on the draw and more...

 

 

 

68 Comments:

Jason, I hope you are having a good time and make sure to stop by and say hello to Quality Road the 2009 Classic winner.  There will be no mud on Saturday and Quality Road is without a doubt the fastest horse in the race.  Many seem willing to look at others but the fact is Quality Road will be in the lead coming into the stretch and believing a record holding sprinter will be passed after a mild pace is FOOLISH at best.  Gio will be chasing but Quality will hang on for the win.

Quality Road, Gio, and Einstein for the show.  Music Note is my lock for Friday and Gayego is my lock for Saturday.  To be honest I will be betting it all on Music Note on Friday I will either have a lot more money for Saturday or I will be a spectator. Lol.

draynay 02 Nov 2009 5:54 PM

Not trying to be cheeky, but I can think of two examples where the works were not up to par and it was admitted to and/or obvious:

1.) Mine That Bird's slow work into the Travers that revealed the entrapped epiglottis, and

2.) Kodiak Cowboy's recent sluggish work (half mile in 52) is causing him to skip the BC Sprint.

I guess the works matter if only because they tell you if the horse is doing very poorly or worse than usual.

But yeah, you can have a full field of horses who are doing/working "awesome" and there's still only gonna be one winner...

nonnonheinous 02 Nov 2009 6:14 PM

A slow time can prompt the trainer to scope the horse, as was just the case with Kodiak, who had some mucus. But like you said, if there are 10 'good' works, its very hard to differentiate.

jshandler 02 Nov 2009 6:23 PM

works give a better more confidence to go forward with his or her wager. in 2006 street sense worked well before the juvenile and when he was flying up the borail. it sure made me feel the 15 -1 odds were worth the risk.also einstein is coming off a two month rest his bullet works give me confidence he's ready two roll. and he is my pick to win the classic

street sense 02 Nov 2009 6:24 PM

Street Sense: For every horse who won coming off a bullet work I can give u 10 examples of those who lost. I agree, good works build confidence, but my point was, it seems as if all these Classic contenders are coming off what their trainers are deeming "great works."

jshandler 02 Nov 2009 6:30 PM

Barclay Tagg publicly admits when he's unhappy with his horses workouts.  I recall him saying negative things about works of Funny Cide, Nobiz and Tale of Ekati before some of their races.

But like nonnonheinous said, for the most part trainers praise their horses works before a big race but only one can win.

Steve 02 Nov 2009 6:36 PM

Jason,

Hope your enjoying the California Sun out here. Can't wait for the draw tomorrow so I can start cappin' these races. I have to admit, after doing a double take of the entries of the BC Sprint, Zensational looks so so tough to beat in here. If he gets the rail, then I'll be a little concerned.

Dray,

Quality Road is the fastest in the field with Dirt Numbers. Good thing you'll have your money on Music Note the day before. As long as the Zen master isn't in there, the value will be cut dramatically, but you'll have a better shot to cash.

The Rock 02 Nov 2009 6:38 PM

Jason,

I don't know if you have seen them yet, but please give me your opinion of the Euro's when they're out tomorrow morning.

The Rock 02 Nov 2009 6:40 PM

Hi Jason, You're spot on. I totally agree, though some of the works have been impressive re that of Zenyatta, Ventura, Cocoa Beach -I realize that each trainer, for the most part are tuning up their horses right before the BCup.  This AM for example, Zensational worked a 45 and change, a bullet of 35 works, though he always works fast as hell, and Bob Baffert doesn't work his horses any other way.  My thoughts are to look at those horses that are not working well, maybe a 'red flag.'  I noticed Kodiak Kowboy's poor work the other day, and then he came up with congested lungs and is out.  Pyro worked a 1:03 and change, that is curious.  And while Bob Baffert likes to work his horses fast, from his Quarter Horse days, and he has those sprinting-type individuals, I always notice that Todd Pletcher works his horses a bit slower, and there's absolutely no way you can discern anything from their times.  I especially agree as to your point re the trainer's comments - they keep it all close-to-the-vest, and they're always extremely positive and boasting to the public and the media.  You're spot on- the works are only a portion of the picture - and I really like TVG's coverage of "The Works," - as they have been commenting on the various aspects of the workouts, especially watching not only the horse's time, but their locomotion, rider posture, position of the reins,  and commentary from some EU media - very interesting.  Thanks for your great comments.

Horsepicker 02 Nov 2009 6:41 PM

Horsepicker: Good points. I also think TVG has been doing a great job with "The Works." The analysts are very good at picking up key elements.

jshandler 02 Nov 2009 6:50 PM

I am also very interested of what you think of the Euros, Jason.

Freetex 02 Nov 2009 7:00 PM

TVG isolated the action of a horse's right front leg...it was actually doing a figure 8 with its leg.  Wasn't my pick so I can't remember the name.  They also made a point to say "Around the dogs" on Turf (around the cones) produced different times.  Never really thought about this.

I thought Cocoa Beach had a good work.  

Like to see the local horses work their home track (Hollywood) and then jog over Santa Anita.  

The Turf sprint will be a little tricky.  They have to cross the dirt track at the top of the lane.  Hope they work over this course.

Can't make much of the Euro's works.  No one seems to put much speed into them.

Some price plays.  Lethal Heat and Evita Argentina.  

Sunny and 83 degrees.

Householder 02 Nov 2009 7:17 PM

Rock, I really really hope Z runs in the Distaff because I will bet the same amount on Music Note to win regardless.  I truly believe she is not beatable right now.  Music Note unlike last year is well rested and coming in peaking after a very impressive Beldame win.  I expect a perfect performance and easy win for Music Note regardless of who shows up.

draynay 02 Nov 2009 7:27 PM

Jason, I hope your enjoying "The Great Race Place"! I think workouts are more meanigful handicapping two year olds, as many of the horses are lightly raced and workouts are pretty much (other than pedigree) handicappers have to go on as far as separating the way horses are coming into a particular race. I knew a smart trainer who once told me, "They don't pay off in the mornings." I'm excited about the BC draw however!

Billy D. 02 Nov 2009 7:37 PM

I too would be wary about reading too much into works. It’s probably a cultural thing. In Europe horses aren’t trained at the track. There are a number of public training facilities (Newmarket, the Curragh etc), but for the most part, horses are trained on private gallops. Surely you can only assess how a horse has worked if you are familiar with all its regular works. Some moderate horses work brilliantly in the morning, but fail to replicate it in race day,  others never work flashily but seem to deliver when it matters.

You’re not going to see anything speedy from the Euros this close to the weekend, that’s for sure. It’s anathema to the European mindset.

Aera 02 Nov 2009 7:46 PM

Draynay:

I like your 5:54 pm post.....Maybe you know what you're talking about after all.

"Jason, I hope you are having a good time and make sure to stop by and say hello to Quality Road and to the 2009 Classic winner ZENYATTA."

draynay 02 Nov 2009 5:54 PM

LAZMANNICK 02 Nov 2009 8:40 PM

Jason have a wonderful time. Ditto to anyone else going. I agree that a bad work is more significant than a good one. I laughed my head off at the Bob Baffert comment. I will not be able to keep a straight face going through the shoe department at Nordstroms anymore. I would love to hear about the Euros as well.

Paula Higgins 02 Nov 2009 8:55 PM

Draynay,

Quality Road will have to contend with Regal Ransom on the lead. This may compromise his chances. Regal Ransom is late foal (May 27) who is much improved and is working brilliantly. Quality Road’s best trip appears to be 9F.

Street Sense,

Your choice Einstein has no chance based on history. No horse older that 5YO has ever won the BCC. If you like Einstein then you should wager Richards Kid. In addition to already defeating Einstein, he is a 4YO. 4YOs have won 10 of the 25 BCC.

Mine That Bird first four victories were on a Poly Track. He is a small May foal that has been in some tough races over the Spring & Summer. Do not be surprised if run a big race off his rest. He is genuine and gets 10F easily. He was ahead of the fresher Summer Bird at the 10F marker in the Belmont. He defeated the champion 3YO colt designate in the Derby; he was defeated by ½L in the Preakness by the HOY designate.  He will be 50-1 and those who fail to acknowledge his credentials may live to regret same. He is a live exotic bet horse

Bob Baffert will win one BC race and it is the one he least expects. Richards Kid will be making his 4th start for Bob and I expect him to save the day for Speedy Bob.

Coldfacts 02 Nov 2009 10:02 PM

Draynay I thought Quality was a winner in the JC Gold--got that soft pace you want in Classic--he gave it away cuz as good as he is, and the guy's a beast, he doesn't relish that last furlong--the last 1/16 will remind you of a bad harness race, where you have the leader but the stretch seems endless, and the "wall of WOO-WOO" is about to all go by! yeah, Jason, look for for the confident eye, I like to see who's holding their head up and willingness--at this point they're all capable of working lights out--but as Bruce Lee said in "Enter The Dragon", when the guy broke some wood with a kung foo chop, "boards don't hit back"! We'll see on Saturday--I remember Precisionist worked 1 :08 3/5 the week before The Classic, Eddie Arcaro was one of the announcers, he goes "Precisionist will win this easy"! He hung like a Van Gogh in the Lourve! Here are my (current) Classic guys: Richards Kid (12-1) maybe the wiseguy pick but I cannot leave him off, as he likes the distance/track/looks great, etc....Summer Bird (6-1!) top horse in US right now, in my opinion....Mine That Bird (10-1)--he just looks better and better these days--I called his Derby a fluke--but then he went on to become the dominant Triple Crown Horse! based on his looks/ability to get 1 1/4 against the best three year olds--he's in...Zenyatta (3-1) yeah it's low but I cannot toss her--besides 3-1 is the best price you'll ever get on her around here--but I cannot toss her cuz she has the best kick of any in here, and trainer thinks she'll get the 1 1/4, no problem...I'll toss Colonel John, Einstein and Gio Ponti and Quality Road, as well as Rip Van Winkle, who looks lights out on paper, but he's facing some real tough guys over here--I'm bettin the four guys I have picked will be players in the last 1/16...

Matthew W 02 Nov 2009 10:37 PM

Jason,

I have to say that one of the most visually impressive looking horses that has worked is Summer Bird. He looked like he had been dipped in pure gold! Not saying that he's my pick as of right now, but, WOW, what a looker he is. Nice work too.

Horswld 02 Nov 2009 10:46 PM

Dray Music Note won't win--she's just not good enough! First, ya got that leggy white filly, Careless Jewell to contend with, then Cocoa Beach and Life Is Sweet will be flying late--take Shirreff's filly, kin to Sweet Catomine, a true beast! loves the track! Also watch out for Mandella! He is flying way under the radar with Crown Of Thorns (10-1) in rubber band mile, and has a real nice guy from across the pond, Lord Shannakill (20-1) I will use him--was lame in last but is working well and he has sneaky class--can win that race if he's ready!

Matthew W 02 Nov 2009 10:53 PM

hey Jason I think your so correct. Been watching the works on TVG and horse after horse seem to be putting in good works, and all the trainers seem to be getting what they want from the works.

We cant put too much on a work, but I will say a few of the horses just look more fluid on the surface than others. Zensational, Geyago and Cocoa beach looked really fluid,  while Summer Bird and Pyro just don't look comfortable.

Who knows though, I'll have a few long nights trying to sort my tickets out.

CBman 02 Nov 2009 11:16 PM

By the way, Dray, my take on Music Note not winning is certainly shaky at best! Will definitely include "Note", along with Whitey and LIS on my pick 3 spreads.....am probably gonna single Goldikova, Blind Luck, Gayego, Smart Seattle, Ventura....mostly cuz I'm poor but also cuz I like them!

Matthew W 03 Nov 2009 12:15 AM

Matthew - Did you know Careless Jewel is 15 hands?  That is 2 inches taller than the "cut off designation" in size between a horse and a pony!  She and MTB could run under Zenyatta, no limbo needed.  Of course, then again, size is may be more about attitude. . .

Kat 03 Nov 2009 2:17 AM

CBman, Summer Bird always has a funny looking stride.  Could that explain why he looked uncomfortable in his works?

Even if it is just his usual funny looking stride, I don't hold out much hope for dirt horses this year.  I just looked over last year's charts.  In the male "dirt" races, horses that had their final prep on synthetics OR Euro turf dominated to the extremes.  I knew the synthetic/turf horses did well but I didn't realize it was that pronounced.  

Two Step Salsa was the only colt to finish in the top 3 off a real dirt final prep, but even he had raced mostly on synthetics before that.  Otherwise synthetic or turf colts took at least the top 3 places in every race.

Dirt fillies did somewhat better.  Fillies with a final prep on dirt finished 2-3 in the distaff and F&M sprint and 3rd in the Juvenile fillies.  They all had their final prep at Belmont. That surprised me as I wouldn't have figured Belmont as a good prep for Santa Anita.      

meh 03 Nov 2009 2:35 AM

Dray music note will come up a little short this year too. She likes dirt better than the pro-ride stuff. If it was on dirt it would be Music Note over Careless Jewel. Careless Jewel is a beast since she went to dirt and yea i know she won some on poly but not the same powerful way. That leaves me to take Cocoa Beach who loves this track and beat Music Note last year over it. Will put the euro in second to finish the exacta. Also think the European horses will have another great year. They have sent some of there best here and it will probably show in several races. Hope all run well and come home safe.

Jimthepimp 03 Nov 2009 3:22 AM

    Coldfacts, you're absolutely right that based on history, Einstein won't win.  However, we've seen multiple times in the last few years how history hasn't repeated itself.  Take the KY Derby for instance.  I remember all the handicapping "rules" that everyone would apply before making their pick.  But in recent years, you can throw out those rules because they don't seem to apply anymore.

    Heck, in the BC Classic just last year, Raven's Pass leading into the race had never been more than a mile, never been 2 turns & had never run a race left-handed.  I think, but not for sure, that Henrythenavigator had never been further than a mile either.

    As far as Einstein is concerned, how many horses older than 5 YO have ever tried running in the Classic and were they as good as Einstein at this point in their career?  The only decent horse that tried the Classic in the last 10-12 years and was older than 5 that I can think of was Perfect Drift.  Maybe I missed one and I probably have, but he's the only one I can think of at the moment.  With so much emphasis placed on breeding these days, most horses are retired long before they have a chance to race beyond 5YO unless they're a gelding.

    Yes Ricahrd's Kid did beat Einstein, but that was at Del Mar on a different surface.  My point is that Einstein seems to love the Pro-Ride and has a huge chance Saturday.  He's my play based on that and the fact he does tend to run really well fresh.  I'll be using Richard's Kid in the 2nd spot as he has seemed to really blossom since the switch to Baffert's barn.  It's either that or the switch to artifical tracks but either way, he's coming into the race in peak form.  If you like the 2 horses mentioned above, then you have to give consideration to Colonel John has he has been right there with those 2 in his most recent races.

    One horse I won't run for 1st or 2nd in my tickets is Zenyatta.  I respect Zenyatta, but don't think she'll be in the exacta.  In her other races, she has been able to use that powerful late kick to sweep by them from the 1/4 pole to the wire.  However, she has never had to contend with horses like this especially the caliber of horses who will undoubtedly get 1st run on the leaders.  If she were a midpack runner who had the same powerful kick, I would no doubt give her serious consideration, but she's not.  She's a dead closer and will be asking a lot for her to beat a horse like Richard's Kid who will be in front of her at the 1/4 pole and get 1st run on the leaders or Einstein or has the staying power for 1 1/4 and will be much closer to the leaders at the 1/4 pole.  Good luck to all.

Curlin 03 Nov 2009 5:15 AM

I find that I am walking out with a much fuller wallet when I actually look at the horses prior to making my bets.  I don't leave checking workouts out of my decision making, but they don't have much weight in my decision.  Past performances at the distance, jockey, trainer and what the horse looks like the day of the race are my keys in betting.  

I might toss a $2 win/show on Mine That Bird. It worked in the Derby, so might as well give it another try only $4 total that is the price of my daily coffee habit right there.

I am liking Summer Bird, I figure he should be in the money. He has done so well and blossomed into a great athlete after getting those blinkers and physically looks amazing.  Zenyatta will be fighting to be in the money as well, so I don't think she can be ignored either. This is going to be a fun race to watch and figure out:D  

silverscrngirl 03 Nov 2009 7:30 AM

Am I the only one who sees Gio Ponti pulling away in the stretch in the Classic?  Only way I see that not happening is if Summer Bird takes to the surface.

2:24 03 Nov 2009 9:38 AM

Don't like Music Note in the Fillies Classic think she would do better in Fillie Sprint because her best races are around one turn. Her stablemate CB will be the one to bet on in the FC.

NIJINSKYTOM 03 Nov 2009 12:00 PM

Regal ransom is not even a pace factor because that is one horse who cant handle the surface-a very very easy easy throwout-godolphin is being silly

steve s 03 Nov 2009 2:11 PM

Am I missing something here?  Did Life is Sweet bow out of the Lady's Classic?  She took the Santa Margarita, La Canada, and El Encino at that track while her stable mate Zenyatta rested.  She then runs 3rd against older males at 1 1/4 in the Hollywood Gold Cup.  If it were not for Zenyatta she would be ruling the west coast.  Go ahead and put your money on the 3 year old Delaware runner or the one turn dirt filly.  Shippers will fall flat in this one.  That synthetic stuff stings a bit and it does not taste well either.

Householder 03 Nov 2009 2:17 PM

If Draynay is going all in he needs to wait for Gayego-here's where 6.5 f-1:13 pays off

His close in last race was eye-popping

steve s 03 Nov 2009 2:21 PM

Kat, I agree: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog"...;-)

da3hoss 03 Nov 2009 2:26 PM

Jason,

Zensational has been quite impressive. The only reservations I have with this colt is the opposition he has been running against. He has faced inferior competition out here in the west.

Zensational is actually too fast for his own good (on this particular surface - Pro Ride) and can be unruly when rated.

He will definitely be tested by Fatal Bullet in the early going. Gayego is the one you need to be concerned about.

I would take a different approach in your wagering on Saturday. I would lay down your larger wager on this colt they call "Lookin at Lucky".

He is an exceptional talent. He's what's you call a "Franchise" colt.

Dave Johnson 03 Nov 2009 2:27 PM

No more talk of Cocoa Beach winning-her best days are long gone-wishful thinking on godolphin part

steve s 03 Nov 2009 2:29 PM

I thought it very sad CCC's co-owner, Mr Rauch passed away...

da3hoss 03 Nov 2009 2:30 PM

Jason,how's that tan looking? lol, remember,salted Beer-nuts are great for re-hydration purposes.  :}

Was Pyro's work as Slooow as it looks on paper?..man,can't they see that he doesn't take to synthetics... Any info regarding California Flag would be appreciated,thinking he'll be much tougher down the lane this yr.,w/him being alot fresher this time around.  Enjoy!

Carlos in Cali 03 Nov 2009 2:41 PM

I dont know why I think Seventh Street is going to win but i like her last race on paper when she lost to Swift Temper

SHE would be better off taking Cocoa beach place in LADIES CLASSIC but Godolphin is not thinking right

steve s 03 Nov 2009 3:05 PM

IF QUALITY Road could only handle the plastic-(this horse would be a slam dunk winner on dirt)

Take the safe play -bet Richard's kid-win-20-place-40-show 40

the safe play

steve s 03 Nov 2009 3:33 PM

da3hoss, yes it was. Dr Rauch was so excited about the BC.

Guess when the Lord calls.

Being the Medical Director of an Urgent Care......

I've heard MANY trainers say they didn't get what they wanted out of a work and wait for another day.Or that the horse worked well but who knows if it will translate.

What's truly baffling is when they're working good, training well and just come out flat.

Tim G 03 Nov 2009 4:41 PM

Jason,

Put a fork in ya. Zensational will not beat this type of field from the one hole. Fatal Bullet drew outside of him.

Zensational could beat weaker fields from the one hole, but not this one, my friend.

Ghostzapper 03 Nov 2009 4:46 PM

I totally agree with you, Jason. I pay zero attention to workouts when I handicap.

Michael Cusortelli 03 Nov 2009 5:21 PM

Music Note's only prayer is if all the other jockeys fall off their mounts (heaven forbid that happens). I'm telling you right now you are more than foolish if you bet your weekend on this one. She's a one trick "dirt" horse.

Rally your Friday bets around Lillie Langtry in the Juv. Fillies Turf. That's a single worth playing.

Blind Luck will be another favorite going down in the Juv. Fillies. Longshots Negligee, Beautician, Amen Hallelujah, and Bickersons are musts in the exotics. One or more of them will be in the top 2-3.

Noble Court in the Turf Sprint is another longshot special. Use him or weep.

johnson 03 Nov 2009 5:27 PM

Curlin, I agree with your comments above. As much as I truly hate to say it, I don't see Zenyatta winning the Classic. I read Summer Bird is not training well on this surface. Does anyone know if that is true???

Paula Higgins 03 Nov 2009 5:45 PM

Dray I have to give you props for sticking with our boy QR since the get go and I too believe in him and by boy Gayego who is on fire right now. For the classic toss the birds and zenyatta. I think Einstien and Gio pointe will be ready to roll and you have to throw at least one euro in the mix. I think the americans dominate the classic this year. Einstien is battle tested. SB is worn out and MTB isnt ready. Zenyatta is a great horse but at short odds and going against the best males in the country def. toss! If there was money for 4th I would put it on Zenyatta=CURLIN. PS I love curlin so dont bash me! lol!

It aint easy being good! 03 Nov 2009 5:59 PM

The trainers sound like any good coach of a sports team or the proud parent of a gifted child. Positive talk and positive energy work to a point after that, we are on our own to look at the stats. Numbers on paper or computer; we do not know if a horse is standing in their stall right now reasoning that no one but them will be in front at the end. I give up on analyzing; I just hope that the worst that happens is all jockeys and horses come back a little dirty and winded.

Cide Notes 03 Nov 2009 6:14 PM

do people really pay attention to workouts for older, established horses? I mean, I can understand it a bit if it's two year olds, or a new surface like we have here, or if people just want to see top-class horses in the flesh. and it must be good fun. but do the times they clock have any relevance to the race itself? if you are trying to pick a winner, wouldn't your time be better spent delving through a formbook or watching videos of old races. these are genuine questions, not meant to be provocative. I have no idea about what actually happens: I assume they do six furlongs or so alone round a track and that is supposed to tell you how a horse will go over 10? anyway, answers on a postcard please.

well, now the draw has been made. any thoughts? is goldikova's draw a major handicap? one last point folks. I am stuck in germany, there is no racing here on tv. if you stuck an engine on em and put michael schumacher on top, it would be on 24 hours a day. is there any way I can see any of this live online? don't mind paying. I know the bc site gives you the race "as live" not long after but it is not the same. thanks for any info.

god. I am looking forward to this, as I do every year. forget the controversy about the surface, just enjoy it. tis but once a year.

Vince 03 Nov 2009 6:26 PM

I hate Daylight Savings.  It's only 6:30 and already pitch black here in the northeast.  I hope you enjoy that California sunshine, Jason!

I think they may try to keep Zenyatta a little closer than usual in the Classic. I don't believe she was dead last down the backstretch in her last start (?), and mid pack won't surprise me. Her trainer cannot possibly think she'll be able to run down horses like Quality Road, Gio Ponti and Rip van Winkle if she's running in last, unless the race falls apart in front of her, and there's not enough speed for that to happen.

I think Gio Ponti wins if he takes to the surface.  If not, Einstein is already proven at this track and distance and runs well fresh, so he's my Plan B.

Lil Darlin 03 Nov 2009 6:32 PM

Mike Welch and Andy Harrington have great work eyes, the rest rather clueless

james 03 Nov 2009 6:38 PM

Vince,just trying to be helpful if you haven't tried this. The races will also be shown on espn360. If you have never tried this, you need an ESPN login. Then go to espn360 and try and watch anything. I had one ISP that wasn't compatible. When I switched and tried again, no problem. Have had to resort to this as some "smaller" races are on TV channels I dont get. Not as good as a nice tv screen with surround sound, but better then watching those taped replays.

Cide Notes 03 Nov 2009 7:02 PM

matthew I am all in on music note. she will dominate.

draynay 03 Nov 2009 7:08 PM

thank you cide notes. I will try it out on ladies' day on friday and see if it works. then get primed for the big day. thanks for your help.  

Vince 03 Nov 2009 7:23 PM

Dr. Tim G. my husband just went to an urgent care center for a UTI/Prostatitis and they took first rate care of him. He snowballed over the weekend and didn't think it was important to let me know he was having issues prior to that. Go figure. In any event, I am so glad there are urgent care centers available. You all are becoming the front lines of medicine. They also followed up with a phone call, which is time consuming to do. As a R.N., I was really impressed. I have used urgent care centers for several things with great results. Sorry for digressing Jason but I just had to say this to Dr. Tim.

I agree with Lil Darlin that Zenyatta has to be up close to the front or middle, from the get go, if she is to have any chance with this group. I am rooting for her but I know she has an uphill fight with the Euros, etc.

Paula Higgins 03 Nov 2009 7:23 PM

Vince,

You'll be able to see the races live at calracing.com. You have to register but its free. I would register a couple of days ahead. Then on race day sign on and click on the Oak Tree icon and you're good to go for the entire day.

dbtoo 03 Nov 2009 7:29 PM

Jason,

I see Zensational got the rail. At least we'll be able to see him "Zip Quick" from the stalls. But with the speed directly to his outside....eekkkk...

The Rock 03 Nov 2009 7:31 PM

Vince,

Go to calracing.com    Register an account and you will be able to watch live.  It cost nothing to register.  Very nice site in my opinion.

PMAC14 03 Nov 2009 7:52 PM

JASON:

Hope your are enjoying yourself in Calif. CJ for the win in Ladies Classic.

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2009 8:45 PM

Vince - I'm with you on the older horse workouts.  Particularly when you see Presious Passion needing the stick in the morning. . . You know what happens after high noon with him. . . .

Kat 03 Nov 2009 9:35 PM

Wow, tough draws for Zensational, Goldikova and Lookin At Lucky--I think Zensational is a throw out from the rail and Goldikova is in trouble, to say the least, from the far outside--by the way, Zenyatta made up 4 1/2 lengths into that 23 2/5 third 1/4 of Ladys Secret--like a 22 3/5 or something--she has the biggest kick in the race, and she's bigger than every male horse in the race, so leave her off your spread at your own risk--also, upon further notice, Colonel John made up 1 1/2 lengths while running widest of all into a 23 4/5 fourth 1/4 of Goodwood (on the far turn)--and still hung in there despite (probably) needing the race--he is coming up to this way better than last year's hang job! There's speed in the Classic, I think they're all in trouble, Big Z is fresh and fit--note her ability to close into the slow fractions--something Life Is Sweet was not able to do--there isn't anyone who can kick with Zenyatta in Classic--Oh I'll try to beat her, I always try to beat her! With all three speed guys inside, the sprint plays to the closers! Gayego and Fleeting Spirit, with Dancing In Silks and Rosario as my longshot--he's a nice horse/he's a real nice jockey!

Matthew W 03 Nov 2009 10:11 PM

Lol! Mike Welch has one of the worst eyes for horse flesh of any of the so-called professionals on t.v.  He has only been seriously judging works for a few years. He is far from great at judging works.

Shiznik 03 Nov 2009 10:14 PM

JASON:

What's your opinion regarding Zenyatta drawing the four post?

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2009 10:27 PM

Paula Higgins:

Trevor Denman sees no reason Zenyata cannot win.

tcc 03 Nov 2009 10:37 PM

Jason,

    Not to get off topic, but by when do we have to have our picks to you for the BC Contest and I forget the e-mail address.  Can we just post them on here?

    Anyway, I can't believe some of the morning lines.  Are they serious that Mine That Bird is 12-1, same as Gio Ponti, Colonel John, Einstein, Richard's Kid & Quality Road?  I'm not knocking him, but I think that he should've been higher than that.  Guess it really doesn't matter since the betting public ultimately decides the horses odds.  You can bet he'll be over 20-1 by the time the gates open for the Classic.

    One race I'm extremely disappointed in would be the "dirt" Mile.  It was shaping up to be a great race, but with horses like Regal Ransom, Quality Road & Girolamo headed towards the Classic and Crown of Thorns going in the Sprint (I think he would've had a better shot in here), it leaves us with the shortest M/L favorite at 6/5.

   As far as the races themselves, some of my early longshot plays (5-1) or better I'll be playing Cannonball in the Turf Sprint, Life is Sweet in the Ladies Classic, Einstein in the Classic and the longest of all, Cost of Freedom in the Sprint.  Yes I know Cost of Freedom is stretching it a little, but he didn't run all that bad in his last considering he was short on conditioning being only his 2nd start off nearly a year layoff.  I think he's going to run huge on Saturday and at 30-1, why not take a shot?

Curlin 03 Nov 2009 10:40 PM

Matthew W,

    Nice observation on Zenyatta's last race fractions, but we've seen over and over again how synthetic route races usually play much closer to turf than dirt races in that the go fairly slow early then it's a calvary charge to the wire and often times a blanket finish.

    I take nothing away from Zenyatta, she's a great mare regardless of what some on here may say, but she's never seen horses like this who also have a great turn of foot and will undoubtedly get 1st run on the leaders before she will.  If we're playing closing fractions, then Richard's Kid made up 4 lengths into an 11 4/5 final 1/8 in the Goodwood leaving him somewhere in the 11 flat range.  Mine That Bird, made up 4 3/4 lengths into that same final 1/8 which would put him at almost a sub 11 final 1/8.  Using that same logic that means Zenyatta has a better closing kick than Richard's Kid, but not as good as MTB.

    I'm not saying Zenyatta isn't without a shot in here, but in order to get her picture taken, she will need to stay closer than normal to a better pace than she is use to seeing against much better horses.  She has stayed close to a decent pace one time in her life.  She was only 4 3/4 lengths off a 1:10 3/5 clip in the Clement Hirsch last year and got up to win by a length.  It was probably one of the best races in her life, but the difference is, on Saturday, she won't be facing Model and Tough Tiz's Sis.

    If Zenyatta gets up to win Saturday, all my exotic tickets (PK 3, PK 4, PK 6, Exacta, etc.) will be worth nothing, but I can say I got to see one of the best female horses of all time finish out her career by doing something that no other filly or mare has ever done.  Sure as a gambler I'll be upset, but better yet, as a horse racing fan, I'll have seen a true great in this sport finish out her career in style.

Curlin 03 Nov 2009 11:09 PM

Nurse Paula, not me in Urgent Care, Joe was.

Sorry if I presented incorrectly. I was just thinking it was kind of ironic that a director of urgent care passed in his sleep at a still relatively young age with no warning signs.

I'm a little more specialized but spend a fair amount of time in clinic settings of various types.

Tim G 04 Nov 2009 12:04 AM

Curlin and everyone else: Picks in by midnight tonight.

Mike: I dont the post matters for Zenyatta. She's gonna fall back anyway and save ground.

jshandler 04 Nov 2009 12:14 AM

JASON:

Thanks! Good luck to you,my gf lives in near Burbank,I always enjoy visiting Calif.

Mike Relva 04 Nov 2009 9:43 AM

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