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Picks For Saturday BC Races

After a long week of handicapping, here are my Saturday thoughts...

Juvenile Turf

When considering morning-line favorite Interactif, there are two ways to look at the full field that he is facing: If you like him, you should be thrilled that you are likely to get a more than fair price. Or if you think he is vulnerable, there are no shortage of upset options.

I happen to like him and if he stays at 4-1, I'm going all in. I think this is Pletcher's best chance at winning a BC race this year and I would not be surprised to see this horse prominently on next year's Triple Crown trail. His last two wins were superb, especially the Bourbon when he had to overcome a wide trip and come from way off the pace on the soft turf. His turn of foot is what separates him from the rest. I expect him to be closer to the pace this time around and explode down the stretch.

Interactif will be one of my strongest plays all weekend, although the Euro contingent is a bit of an unknown. I'm really not sure how good Pounced, Buzzword, or Viscount Nelson are, but all of them will be tackling one mile for the first time in their first race over here. Of the three, I like Pounced the most. He hasn't run a bad race yet and might enjoy the extra distance.

Two longshots I want to mention are Becky's Kitten and Awesome Act. Becky's Kitten ran well in his first stakes effort at Woodbine, beaten only 1 1/2 lengths by Bridgetown. He could improve off that. Leparoux rides for Ken Ramsey, who has two entered in here. Awesome Act, I was told, came back with poor blood work in his last race when he finished ninth in the Dewhurst. The connections think he could fire a big one. Just a hunch.

  1. Interactif
  2. Pounced
  3. Awesome Act

Turf Sprint

Tough, wide-open race. Desert Storm won this last year and some say he is coming into the race the same away. I just can't play him off his recent form.

Cannonball comes into the race very well and always seems to be right in the mix. Diamondrella beat Forever Together last out and that is no easy task. California Flag has won three straight out here and set the pace in this race last year before fading. Dancing in Silks has also won three straight in Cali. All of them are playable.

I do tend to give the edge to horses that have run well over the downhill turf course in this race, which includes California Flag. But I am leaning toward another horse that fits that profile--Noble Court. The 5-year-old won in his only start over this course in March and hasn't done much wrong since while racing on synthetics. He has been right there in a pair of grade I's, including a runner-up to Sprint favorite Zensational in the Pat O'Brien. John Sadler certainly didn't want the 1 post and is going to need a smart ride from Joel Rosario. If he gets it, he could pop at a price.

Sadler's other entry, Get Funky is also possible at a big price.

  1. Noble Court
  2. Cannonball
  3. Diamondrella/Dancing in Silks

Sprint

No other race has drawn so many varying opinions. I have talked to scores of people who are equally as high on Zensational, Fatal Bullet, Gayego, Crown of Thorns, and Capt. Candyman Can.

As many of you know, I have been touting Zensational for weeks. I haven't backed down, despite the 1 post, people insisting the race is set up well for a closer, and he hasn't faced top company. To me, he is the fastest horse in the race, period. And he hasn't even been asked for his best yet. He's a horse that can carry his speed.

If he gets beat, I think it will be by Fatal Bullet. He was second last year and comes into the race in great form.

Closing speed should come from Capt. Candyman Can.

  1. Zensational
  2. Fatal Bullet
  3. Capt. Candyman Can

Juvenile

D'Funnybone might be the best horse in the race but at his low odds and trying Pro-Ride for the first time, I have to try to beat him.

This is a race where I'll probably box four or five horses. It's so wide-open. I like Aikenite in his second try at two turns. He had a bad trip last time and was still a factor. He would be my win pick as of now. But I'll include Pulsion, Aspire, Radiohead and Lookin at Lucky in exotics.

  1. Aikenite
  2. Aspire
  3. Radiohead

Mile

Everyone knows about Goldikova's ability. She will be awfully tough to beat and I'll wheel her in everything. She is the most likely horse at the BC to repeat.

But there are several price horses you can use with Goldikova to fill out exacta and tris. Most notably, I like Ferneley, a horse who seems to be coming into the this race in great shape. His run against Ventura in the Woodbine Mile was very good and a mile is his perfect distance. Bejarano gets the mount again. He is a live horse.

I also like Zacinto and Delegator

  1. Goldikova
  2. Ferneley
  3. Delegator

Dirt Mile

Quite honestly, I don't have a strong opinion on this race other than to say I'll be surprised if Mastercraftsman gets beat. He ran well against Sea the Stars and had a nice prep on Poly. I'll single him in Pick 3's and 4's.

I like Chocolate Candy for a piece since he's cutting back to a mile, which is his best distance.

  1. Mastercraftsman
  2. Chocolate Candy
  3. Furthest Land

Turf

Will they catch Presious Passion? I think so. But he'll give you a rush and has a good chance to get a piece.

It's hard for me to separate the three Euros, but I landed on Spanish Moon on top. He is good right now at a distance he loves. Conduit ran big in the Arc and is the one to beat. He cant be ignored.

The one horse I think will be a huge overlay and has a chance to get money is Telling, who has seemed to figure things out. He's just one of those improving horses I think might fill out nice exotics at a price. I was told Gomez tried to get the mount without success.

  1. Spanish Moon
  2. Conduit
  3. Telling

Classic

I've discussed at length my feelings on Zenyatta. I think she is up against too much here--new distance, facing males, etc. Her numbers just don't match up on paper with the best here, in my opinion. She simply has not been as good as she was last year any way you want to slice it. She didn't face much all season during a hand-picked campaign. She must take major strides forward to win this race and I don't see it happening. She's the perfect favorite to play against, in my opinion, especially with her running style. I'll use her on the bottom of exotics. If she wins, I have no problem coming back and saying I was wrong.

All week I have gone back and forth on four horses--Richard's Kid, Gio Ponti, Einstein, and Colonel John. I like them all for several reasons, but mainly because they have had success over this track against good horses.

Richard's Kid impressed me with his works this week. He is just an improving horse who loves synthetics and really has a nice stride. He will be coming hard at the end.

Colonel John is on his favorite track and coming off a big Goodwood effort. He is an honest horse who should be sitting mid-pack and advancing on the turn. I'm just not sure he is fast enough against these. He wouldn't surprise me if he won, but you have to take a stand on some.

I had the hardest time separating Gio Ponti and Einstein. Other than Rachel, they have been the best horses in America this year, in my opinion. Einstein is 7 but still a gamer. He is versatile and has the right running style to win this race. He comes in fresh and off a great effort in the Pacific Classic. He won the Santa Anita Handicap over this course at the same distance. He has looked good all week.

Gio is a four time grade I winner on turf this year, but also has a win over the course in the Sir Beaufort, albeit at a mile. One and half miles is not his best distance and Clement knows that. The Classic is the right spot. He is a superstar horse and his numbers match up well with these. He is awfully tough to dismiss.

As far as the Euros, Rip Van Winkle obviously has a huge shot. It's hard to argue what he has done against the best in Europe. His connections win these big races with regularity. The Pro-Ride is a question, but don't forget he trains over Poly in Europe. He is a must use. Twice Over is interesting too.

Summer Bird? Well, he looks great and is obviously hot. I don't know how you can ignore him, but his best races have come over and off track and there are questions about his works out here. I'll use underneath.

Mine That Bird will be making up ground at the end, but he's not a win candidate for me.

One other horse I'll mention is Awesome Gem. He would be a shock, but he's got synthetic experience and is getting pretty good right now. He's a huge price that could fill out exotics if he is on.

As of this writing 11 a.m. on Friday, I am going with Einstein for the win. My only question about Gio is his turn of foot on Pro-Ride. I know he won over this surface, but does he have the same kick he does on grass? I'm not 100% sure. That being said, I will wheel both Einstein and Gio.

With this race being as deep and wide-open as it is, I think you have to use "all" on the bottom. No other way for me.

Here is what my play will look like:

*Einstein large win ticket; Gio Ponti small win ticket

*Einstein, Gio Ponti wheeled with all in exactas and tris.

So that I'm on record:

1. Einstein

2. Gio Ponti

3. Richard's Kid

4. Rip Van Winkle

I wish everyone the best of luck with their betting and in the contest. Enjoy the great weekend of racing. Let know your thoughts.

213 Comments:

Mr. Shandler,

For someone who did not like my picks previously, it sure looks like you like a lot of my picks today to run well.  I also saw in the live blog replay of yesterday that you like Twice Over.  Its all in good sport, we Euros welcome you Mr. Shandler to the Darkside with open arms.

Euro The Conqueror 06 Nov 2009 2:19 PM

Richards kid is in rare form and will be closing from the clouds.It's guess like all the other races, should be a great day for racing as will be today.Zenyatta could make history but what a brutal field to run against.

The Phantom 06 Nov 2009 2:33 PM

Hope to see you in the win line.  I too am not going any deeper than Einstein and Gio (It will be hard to bet against Zenyatta for the first time).  Who is going to beat Gold...and Zensational is capable of beating everyone to the first turn.  Interesting pick in Chocolate Candy...LOVED this horse going into the Triple Crown off his efforts against Pioneer and I Want Revenge.  He is bred to run all day but never seems to pick it up quite in time.  Perhaps after some rest (His Goodwood was terrible) he could hit.  He certainly has demonstrated his best against the aformentioned at Santa Anita.  Santa Anita Derby looked very promising.  A miler??? I just don't see it...but at a price he will be worth a bet.  Hollendorfer will sting you with the likes of Heetseeker and Hysterical Lady.  He's that good.

Householder 06 Nov 2009 2:51 PM

my saturday picks 1st interactif, 2nd pounced,diamondrella , canonball. zensational ,fatal bullet. loking at looky noble promeise. goldikova ,zacinto. mastercrafsman, midshipman. conduit ,spanish moon. rip van winkle ,quality road.

nick64 06 Nov 2009 2:57 PM

Race 2: Singled the 11 in the pick 3. Good start. Used him with Mastery in Marathon and 6 horses in final leg

jshandler 06 Nov 2009 2:58 PM

Juvenile turf

I took 2 euros and the best of the american.

1) Viscount Nelson

2)Interactif

3)Pounced

Turf Sprint

Wide open race, I just think California flag has learned to settle.

1) California Flag

2) El Gato Malo

3) Lord Shanakill

Sprint

There is just no getting past The beast for me.

1) Zensational

2)Capt. Candyman Can

3)Gayego

Juvenile

I think Looking at Lucky has alot more to give,and he has Gomez.

1) Looking at Lucky

2)Alfred Nobel

3)D'funnybone

Mile

I'm going to try to beat Goldicova, but this is a euro show.

1)Delegator

2)Zacinto

3) Goldicova

Dirt Mile

Beyond Mastercraftsman, this is an open race, so i will just put my two favorites under him.

1) Mastercraftsman

2)Midshipman

3)Pyro ( I know he hates the track)

Turf.

There is not much to say about this one.

1)Conduit

2) Dar Re Mi

3)Spanish Moon

Classic

I think If Rip runs his race, he is the horse to beat. I give Zenyatta a big shot (I wont bet her she will be even money)but I think she will run big.

1) Rip Van Winkle

2)Colonel John

3)Zenyatta

about to put in my friday tickets , good luck to all

CBman 06 Nov 2009 2:59 PM

Looks like the track is favoring speed today.I have to adjust my 'capping I did last nite...dammmit!!!

Carlos in Cali 06 Nov 2009 3:05 PM

5 minutes to post..Iron man looks great...what a feather in Better Than Honour's cap if he wins!

da3hoss 06 Nov 2009 3:31 PM

Duh!!!!! Man of Iron!!!

da3hoss 06 Nov 2009 3:32 PM

I'm  betting Ready's Echo across the board in the Dirt Mile. Poor guy can't get a break, he almost always gets a rough trip.  So watch out when he finally gets a clean trip!!

I'm betting the biggest (actual betting) long shots in the Classic.  High profile races with fields where all the buzz horses have a worrisome drawback have a tendency to produce huge long shot winners.  The 2009 Kentucky Derby was a prime example of that phenomenon.

I think it's worth noting that the post time favorite has never won the BC Sprint at Santa Anita plus it's Santa Anita runnings have a 50% rate of double digit long shot winners.  So I'm betting a couple of big long shots in that race, too.  I haven't decided on which ones yet because I want to see the odds near post time.

Irish 06 Nov 2009 3:38 PM

yes, yes, yes, Man of Iron for Better Than Honour!!!!

da3hoss 06 Nov 2009 3:44 PM

Juvenile Turf: Interactif (money for jam), Codoy, Viscount Nelson

Turf Sprint: El Gato Malo, Cannonball, Diamondrella

Sprint: Fatal Bullet, Capt. Candyman Can, Gayego

Juvenile: Eskendereya, D'Funnybone, Looking At Lucky

Mile: Goldikova, Zacinto, Court Vision

Turf Classic: Conduit, Red Rocks, Dar Re Mi

BC Classic: Quality Road (money for jam), Girolamo, Summer Bird

May they all come back safe and sound.  Happy Breeder's Cup to all.

Ranagulzion 06 Nov 2009 3:44 PM

Seems like if no one has considered Quality Road as a probable winner of the Classic. I know that he finished third and second in his last two races, but remember that only a couple of months ago we were talking about the only horse that could beat Rachel Alexandra. He managed to finish third in the Travers, over a sloppy track and having raced once (over 6 1/2 furlongs) in five months. He then got beat by the top three year old in the country, Summer Bird,by just one length. We must remember that he has already two track records, and that he is a completely different horse over a dry track. In addition, take into account that his father, Elusive Quality, is the sire of last year's Classic.

lengua 06 Nov 2009 3:46 PM

Marathon:

Interesting.....the winner Man Of Iron is a half to Rags To Riches, Jazil and Casino Drive.....What a broodmare his mother Better Than Honor is.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 4:12 PM

Lillie Langtry is apparently among the top four favorites for the 1000 guineas next year.....Maybe we should think about a N/A invasion.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 4:25 PM

Euro

great handicapping for the first two races.....keep it up and we'll have to rename you Draynay.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 4:28 PM

I noticed a betting angle from last year and it showed itself in the marathon this year, too.  Euros with pure grass breeding don't do much better on the pro-ride than US horses with pure dirt breeding.  

It's Euros with a combination of dirt and grass breeding in their first two generations that win.  

Mastery and Father Time both had pure grass breeding in their first two generations and they failed as the top two favorites.  Iron Man had the dirt/grass hybrid breeding and he won the upset.  Read the PPs from last year and you'll see the same trend in the Euro winners and failed Euro favorites.

Steve 06 Nov 2009 4:34 PM

An observation - every single horse in the Classic has Raise a Native and/or Northern Dancer. Every single one.

My 2 longshots with a good chance are Twice Over in the Classic and Neko Bay in the Dirt Mile.

Karen in Indiana 06 Nov 2009 4:45 PM

Had Todd's horse and then one of my boys wanted Tapitsfly, what a handicapping coup. Then She Be Wild, with Julien.

Tim G 06 Nov 2009 4:52 PM

Biofuel got totally screwed by Negligee. Ragiv still has to cool his wild riding at times.....Too bad because Biofuel would have been right there at 19-1......In the meantime everybody's friend, Hank Goldberg, picked the winner and bet $40 in the program's mythical betting contest.....Good luck to Wayne Catalano.

Euro.  You're a very unimpressive 0 for 3.....you better go back to handicapping school.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 5:01 PM

I gave 1 horse here yesterday -- Tapitsfly.  Here's a bomb:  Girolamo in the Classic.

JohnAlice 06 Nov 2009 5:10 PM

What you fail to see is Gayego having returned to romp in after a 5 month layoff @ the dirt which he loves Spa then toyingly closing again at SA. Gayego will be running with a perfect 3 week tuneup behind him, GGomez, the world's top trainer and 5 of 6 sprint wins with one loss coming with one eye blind mike. the horse has the 6 1/2 F track record ( until recently ) as well as the track record ay H'Park. Perfectly bred to 1 1/16th and @ home in SA he can win on the lead but GG keeps him within 6 F at the backstretch and the duelers up top fade away ( anyway ). Gayego won't even see the whip. EZ MONEY " Bet him and you'll laugh all the way to the bank "

pc 06 Nov 2009 5:15 PM

ESPN with all those camera angles are ruining the races.

Fish 06 Nov 2009 5:43 PM

What Euro

No Informed Decision? Tch! Tch!

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 6:07 PM

With only the Ladies Classic left to go today so far I've only picked 1 winner and 1 second place in the capping contest.  I hope somebody is doing worse than me ;-)

The good news is my one winner paid decent and he was my only real life bet.  If I had bet real money on the other races I'd be in the hole.

MEH 06 Nov 2009 6:21 PM

LMAO did any body hear what randy moss just said now? lol hes going over the post parade for the laides classic and he said cocoa b**** when she came up.

thomas 06 Nov 2009 6:37 PM

Life Is Sweet:

Another of those WEAK ALLOWANCE fillies from California that Zenyetta toys with.....WOW.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 6:52 PM

Well what do you know. Dray eats crow again.

The Rock 06 Nov 2009 6:53 PM

Draynay,

 Sorry about your loss. Music Note just got her butt kicked by a horse that Zenyatta toyed with numerous times.

longwaytomay 06 Nov 2009 6:54 PM

MEH, that would be me. I did worse. Glad I didn't really bet the green stuff. Since I am thinking that Zenyatta won't win, maybe that bodes well for her LOL. I can hope. Draynay, Music Note didn't do it either. BUT, it looks like we Americans aren't doing too badly against the Euros so far.

Paula Higgins 06 Nov 2009 6:56 PM

Draynay,

 I hope you really didn't go all in on Music Note. Honest! I have had one winning bet all day and it was Life Is Sweet/Mushka exacta and it didn't pay nearly enough to recoup my losses. I thought that payout was a little weak. Tomorrow is another day.

longwaytomay 06 Nov 2009 7:00 PM

So how good did Life is Sweet just make Zenyatta look.  Watch out boys.  Yes Thomas I heard that.

zipssecret 06 Nov 2009 7:08 PM

have just removed a certain r.landry from my christmas card list. what exactly was the boy thinking? didn't back a winner all day. but enjoyed it all thoroughly. great stuff for henry cecil and jonathan sheppard. the proper stuff starts tomorrow. anyone else think that goldikova will have to sprout wings and be miessque mark 2 to win that from trap 11.

Vince 06 Nov 2009 7:22 PM

My one winner was Life Is Sweet too.  Cloudy's just missed.  One blew the turn.  One mid-pack.  Oh well, never said I was a handicapper.  On to tomorrow.

Footlick 06 Nov 2009 7:26 PM

THE ROCK

Regarding the remark you made to DRAYNAY, guess you've never lost a race.............yeah,right!

Mike Relva 06 Nov 2009 7:29 PM

The good news is I only bet one race and lost a little less than half my bet.  I bet across the board and was really hoping for second when she got caught behind horses.  Gomez stayed well off that crazy pace and gave Lethal Heat a perfect ride.  She got stuck last race.  The closest I  would have gotten to winning a race is Pure Clan who I still think is a better horse but traffic was too much to overcome. Getting back 3.20 doesn't do much for my confidence but that is why I don't bet the Fillies.  I have put a lot of time into the boys and I am going to lick my wounds from the Ladies Classic and start things off with Lord Shanakill for the win.  Mastercraftsman is a winner and this horse finished just behind him.  I am going to follow that up with Gayego for the win.  Closers seem to do well and Gayego is much the best here.  The next race I am going with talent and talent is D'Funnybone I will be looking at Aikenite too.  Justenuffhumor and Delegator for the upset forget about Goldikova.  Mastercraftsman.... enough said.  Dar Re Mi or Spanish Moon take you pick I will have both.  Gio will be flying but i think Quality Road holds him off. Zenyatta will be exposed tomorrow and will be left off the board finishing mid pack.  The real race will be between her and MTB.

draynay 06 Nov 2009 7:34 PM

footlick, cloudy's knight should have won that race. just didn't see the horse coming on his inside. was ahead again a stride after the line. they worry about horses on drugs, but what exactly was landry doing? ffs.  

Vince 06 Nov 2009 7:42 PM

Vince

The real stuff started today....tomorrow is another day.....That's what I like about the two day format......It used to be you would look forward to the BC for so long and zip it was here and gone.....Now it is like a festival.....a really great two days of racing.....It's great that after the first day we have an even better day to look forward to.

Dray.....I'm not going to rub it in.....Hope you saved at least a few bucks for tomorrow.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 7:42 PM

Dray you can get your money back tomorrow with QR! Music note huh lol! horrible thank god no one actually takes you seriously. Funny no where to be found dray i guess you will start talking tomorrow when QR shows up!

It aint easy being good 06 Nov 2009 7:42 PM

Here are my Sat picks for what they're worth.  At least Life is Sweet was worth it just to see her redeem herself.  Zen would have dominated that field as usual.

Turf Sprint:  Diamondrella, Lord Shanakill

Dirt Mile:  Mastercraftsman, Chocolate Candy

Mile:  Gladiatorus, Whatsthescript

Juv:  Looking at Lucky, Radiohead

Juv Turf:  Viscount Nelson, Interactif

Sprint:  Zensational, Fleeting Spirit

Turf:  Spanish Moon, Conduit

Classic:  Zenyatta, Richard's Kid

Let's see if I do better on Saturday.  Congrats to all who did better than me- which is probably almost everybody!  Good luck tomorrow.  

Footlick 06 Nov 2009 7:48 PM

Life is Sweet ran great, I just wish Careless Jewel could have stuck around. She needs more time to grow up and learn I think.

As for Sat. Zen is my Classic pick. As long as Summer Bird hadles the surface her takes second, with Gio in third.

Summer Star 06 Nov 2009 7:51 PM

Dray- sorry about Music Note.  Good luck tomorrow!  

Footlick 06 Nov 2009 7:53 PM

I did not pick a single winner all day Footlick and to make matters worse I had to buy my program at Beulah Park !  I took a few pics to share with Jason to show him what a real track looks like with real dirt.  Not that rubber poly stuff out there in California.  I will get back 100 bucks when Gayego whips Zensational get ready for you beat down Jason.  Quality Road is still the most talented in the race I am going with him all the way.

draynay 06 Nov 2009 8:12 PM

Will take a chance with Radiohead in the Juvenile. Did anybody see his win in the Norfolk Stakes? He took about as severe a bump as a horse can take and still won. Tough horse, and should be a fair price.

Agree with Fish about the awful camera angles ESPN used today. Just keep it simple so the fans know where all the horses are during the race.

Dutch 06 Nov 2009 8:14 PM

The only thing that "Dray" can pick is his nose, because he surely can't pick winners.

He still thinks dirt horses are the "the answer" on synthetic surfaces.

I wish you luck with "Quality Road" because your going to need it.

PS:

I think Zenyatta destroyed her stablemate "Life is Sweet" multiple times throughout the year, but these synthetic mares out here in California are just allowance horses.

War Admiral 06 Nov 2009 8:34 PM

IMO Carless Jewel lost the race when she took off on the club house turn and Landry couldn’t restrain her……The 1.11.1 w/o on Oct. 27 didn’t help either, not for a front runner with her speed and determination.  She is difficult to rate and it showed.  A much slower work at a longer distance would probably have been more advisable because it might have helped to take the edge off…..On the other hand, Life Is Sweet’s work, 1.11.4 on the same day, was a good one because she is a much more manageable filly who is easy to rate and has a good kick, and that work was ideal for her……The fact that Proviso was back in the field bodes well for those CALIFORNIA ALLOWANCE HORSES seeing as how competitive she was with Goldikova and Zarkava.

The horse and connections I really feel bad for was Biofuel…..I really thought she was going to win at 19-1……Eurico Rose Da Silva, her jockey, is as nice a guy as you would want to meet and always relates to the $2 betters……He is always smiling and laughing, but he was visibly upset and I don’t blame him……Maybe he’ll take it out on the sprint field tomorrow when he rides Fatal Bullet.

I also feel bad for Rose Catherine and her connections in the 2 y-o turf.  Replays clearly show that Robbie accidently knocked the whip out of Castellano’s hand during their rousing stretch drive…..I don’t know if that made a difference, but it sure was tough luck.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 8:38 PM

Sheesh, If there was ever a case of seconditis I have it. All my picks came in second or third today but could never close enough ground for the win.

LDP 06 Nov 2009 8:49 PM

Vince- I know.  Reminded me when I had Lady in Silver across the board in the Arlington Million and she just didn't see Steinlen come up on the rail.  She rebroke once she saw him but it was too late.  One of the few times I went specifically to bet because I knew she was genuine and at big odds.  Cloudy's ran too good to lose.  What a great comeback!

Footlick 06 Nov 2009 8:54 PM

    Well, That was a great/exciting day of races and a bad day for my wallet, lol.  Only hit on two races, Tapitsfly to win in the Juvenile Turf Fillies and the "Small" Tri/Exacta in the Filly and Mares Turf.  Who would have guessed that the closet race of the day would be in the Marathon?  Life is Sweet's win SURE makes Zenyatta look all that better.  I have more faith in my picks tomorrow, But, In the end, Who really knows?  Such an unpredictable sport, Some days it drives me crazy!  Happy for Julien Laparoux & Mr. Shirreffs!

     As far as Jason'e Contest, I am toast, lol.  I need a Huge day tomorrow.  I only hit with Tapitsfly, Midday and Mushka, Oh well.  I am sure alot had a big day, I hope some hit big today, Any one hit any pick 3 or pick 4's?

   Here are my pick's for Saturday, For what it is worth, lol...

7.Juvenile Turf: Interactiff,Becky's Kitten

8.Turf Sprint:

California Flag, Get Funky

9.Sprint:

ZENSATIONAL!!!, Crown of Thorns

10.Juvenile:           D'Funnybone, Aikenite

11.Mile:                      Goldikova, Ferneley

12.Dirt Mile:                Bullsbay, Mastercraftsman

13.Turf:                       PRESIOUS PASSION!!!, Dar Re Mi

14. Classic:               ZENYATTA!!SUMMER BIRD...

I will throw in Mine that Bird/Einstein/Richard's Kid to complete the Tri...

Glad it was a safe day  & Good Luck to all...

Greg J. 06 Nov 2009 8:57 PM

• J Turf:  Codoy – Buzzword (Longshots)

• T Spt:   Delta Storm – Noble Court (Longshots)

• Spt:      Crown Of Thorns – Capt Candyman Can (Long)

• Juv:      Lookin At Lucky – Aikenite (Logical)

• T Mile: Goldikova – Whatsthescript (Logical)

• D Mile:  Neko Bay – Midshipman (Long & Logical)

• Turf:          Da Re Mi – Telling (Logical & Long)

• Classic:     Zenyatta – MTB (Is there anything else?)

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 9:26 PM

Had a losing day but it wasnt awful. She Be Wild saved me, but would have had big exacta if Blind Luck hangs on for 2nd. Also had saving win ticket on Man of Iron, which I put in about 10 seconds before the race. Hindsight is 20/20, but I cant belive  i didnt use Life is Sweet more prominently. Stupid.

Looking forward to tomorrow. Interactif will be my biggest win ticket all day. Hope my day gets off to a good start. Liking Radiohead more in Juvy as week goes on. Hoping Sadler's horses run better tomorrow.

jshandler 06 Nov 2009 9:28 PM

LDP

You mean you didn't have Life is Sweet, the non winners of two California allowance filly?

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 9:28 PM

Wow..beautiful race by Life is Sweet..... she shines without Zen...I hope Zen is spot on tomorrow. If the pace plays out like I think it will...fast...watch for Zen to be closing like a freight train. Possibly running with a gutsy gelding. QR is talented, but he will possibly set the pace...if he does, he won't be able to hang on synthetic.

What a horrible ride for Careless jewel.. she was cooked. She ran the second quarter faster than the first. All I could say was WTF???

karen2 06 Nov 2009 9:42 PM

Hey, Laz, Greg, Paula, Footlick, and all the rest of you 'cool' people, good luck on your bets tomorrow and on you future bets.

It's been fun chatting, hope to see you guys in the winners circle. Preferably at the Derby!

Tim G 06 Nov 2009 10:02 PM

Anybody here from Euro the Conqueror.....ooops.....He's probably still looking through his pockets for all those winning tickets he was planning on cashng.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 10:13 PM

Careless Jewel is a 3yr old filly running against grownups. Physically she looked like a cheap eastern claimer. I could not imagine Rachel winning this race. Again she is a 3yr old filly running against better/older animals. THis is why Jess the gutless wonder kept his little girl in the barn.

rhoward 06 Nov 2009 10:21 PM

WAR ADMIRAL

You haven't a clue! Do your homework!

Mike Relva 06 Nov 2009 10:28 PM

Footlick

I was with you....I just missed with Cloudy's and of course I had Life Is Sweet.....I also had Informed Decision......the one that really upset me was Biofuel.....19-1.....Saw her last at WO and posted it on one of the blogs.....A real sleeper.  LOL tomorrow.  I'll need LOL with the longshots I posted.

LAZMANNICK 06 Nov 2009 10:34 PM

War Admiral,

Your thread/post was classic!

You hit the nail right in the head.

Dragonslayer 06 Nov 2009 10:35 PM

>>>Zenyatta<<<

A first time ballot Hall of Famer (HOF).

Today...Zenyatta made those east coasters realize "just how good she is"

Multiple Grade I winner "Life is Sweet" took them out behind the woodshed.

Trevor Denman:

"...and "Life is Sweet annihilates them"

Kelso 06 Nov 2009 10:49 PM

Works not good for Girolamo, but I'll stick with him.  I'll also add Spanish Moon.  Shooting for 3 for 3.  Came with one horse yesterday -- Tapitsfly.  $21.60.  Sweet.

JohnAlice 06 Nov 2009 11:09 PM

Was live on the late pick 4 with will pays of $611 Careless Jewel, $1,278 Proviso, and $1,828 Cocoa Beach in the Ladies Classic. So close, yet so far!

Bridgetown and Midshipman for upsets, hopefully Colonel John gets his career stamped tomorrow with a victory to cap off a good weekend!  Good Luck!

TJLuvsTizs 06 Nov 2009 11:19 PM

Juvie Turf: get kitteny -- Becky's Kitten and Dean's Kitten

Turf Sprint: Cannonball and Noble Court

Sprint: Zensational and Gayego

Juvie: Lookin At Lucky and William's Kitten

Turf Mile: Goldikova and Justenuffhumor

Dirt Mile: Mr. Sidney and Mastercrafsman

Turf: Presious Passion and Dar Re Mi

Classic: Zenyatta and Colonel John

Tiznowbaby 06 Nov 2009 11:32 PM

Jason Life Is Sweet pulled it out for me--but I wouldda been a big winner if Maragh would've finished 2nd with Music Note--Horrible ride, he broke her, then let her slip back behind horses, and had to duck inward in the stretch--Also, I had a saver bet on Biofuel, the #12 on the outside in the juvi-filly--and Mr Maragh took a right turn into her with his #10 Negligee--or else Biofuel blows by them all at 20-1...those fillies Informed Decision and Ventura  threw down in the sprint--very impressive! Life Is Sweet 3 for 3 at 1 1/8 around two turns--Music Note has never won around two turns and she doesn't seem to know what's going on--...I'm confident in Gayago tom...and I will play a stone cold outsider, #1 Alfred Nobel in the juvi/colts--I am not impressed in these 2yolds so far--I think there's quality there and I gotta play a horse named "Alfred"!...in the turf sprint, I'll play Gotta Have Her and Lord Shannakill, I love the filly Gotta Have Her...those are the only races I like, except or corse The Classic! There are two horses I like the most, mostly cuz of their campaigns, both light and focused on peaking right now: Colonel John and Zenyatta---with Zenyatta, you could see something played out today, when her stablemate Life Is Sweet (finally) got pace to run at--take note that Zenyatta was able to WIN those paceless races with her kick, which is as strong as ever---she is lightly raced, and peaking off that prep--her move is best--that alone makes her a contender for the win.....Colonel John made up 1 1/2 around the turn, widest of all/into a 23 3/4 quarter--then held sway the whole stretch---will improve/ is peaking---Richards Kid and Mine That Bird underneath, I'll go with Colonel John/or Zenyatta as the winner...

Matthew W 06 Nov 2009 11:34 PM

Greg J.  

Life Is Sweet was really sweet to me today.  :)  I only hit two races today.  

For those of you that think Life Is Sweet is just a whatever kinda horse.  Well now she is a Breeders Cup Champion AND a daughter of Storm Cat!  Nuff said.  Love that horse.  :)

As for the Classic tomorrow.  I think that it will be Zenyatta and Eienstine.  Got that funny feeling about Eienstine.  Would love to see MTB win though.  :)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 12:01 AM

Mr. Laz

Dont feel sorry for me, I did good in two races and thats good enough.  I gave all of you the race in the Marathon, and had Midday on the Filly Turf.  So I did good, I lost the other races, but they were great races, cant win them all, and I am not going to write excuses or cry about track surfaces like most people here do.  I did good in 2, Thats 2 more than many others.

Mr. SHandler congratulations on She Be Wild, Juvenile races are the toughest to handicap and you got that one.  

To everybody hope you had a fun first day, the good thing is that no catastrophes reported on the first day, so that alone makes for a good start.  Good luck to all tomorrow.

Euro The Conqueror 07 Nov 2009 12:02 AM

I'll join the crowd of people who didn't pick a WINNER today.  I started out Ok with picking up place money in the first 3 races.  I would have done better with my Beautician/She Be Wild pick if they could have just flip flopped.

LDP, I was with you when my deep closers got stuck behind pedestrian paces.  But, that's part of handicapping and I should have seen it coming.  I think Ventura and Forever Together ran strong races, but that turf proves to be as hard to close on without a good pace as it is to go gate to wire on the pro-ride.

Sentimentally I will be with Zenyatta all day though from a betting perspective I'm leaving her out.  

SATURDAY PICKS:

Juvenile Turf: Interactif,

Gallant Gent, King Ledley.

Turf Sprint: Cal Flag, Noble Court, Delta Storm.

Sprint: Gayego, Fatal Bullet, Capt Candy Man

Juvenile: Lookn at Lucky, Noble's Promise, Radiohead

Mile: Goldikova, Cowboy Cal, Fernely

Dirt Mile: Mastercraftsman, Midshipman, Chocolate Candy

Turf: Conduit, Precious Passion, Dar Re Mi

Classic: Richards Kid, Einstein, Zenyatta.  

I like my closers on the pro ride, obviously!

Good luck to all!

Runfast159 07 Nov 2009 12:07 AM

Saturday's picks:

BC Juv.T.:

BRIDGETOWN, Pounced, Buzzword

BC T.Sprint:

DELTA STORM$$$, Lord Shanakill, Get Funky**:)

BC Sprint:

Cost of Freedom, Dancing in Silks, Fleeting Spirit

BC Juv.:

ASPIRE$$$$, Piscitelli, Beethoven

BC Mile T.:

Court Vision, Cowboy Cal, Ferneley

BC Dirt Mile:

Mastercraftsman, Furthest Land, Bullsbay

BC Turf:

Conduit, Presious Passion, Spanish Moon

BC Classic:

ZENYATTA(without a doubt the best horse), Summer Bird, Gio Ponti, and will include Twice Over

predict 07 Nov 2009 12:09 AM

As I said, I'm not impressed with the two year olds-- #6 Pulsion, 20-1, has run four races, beyers go up everytime--they'd better again but he's worth a small stab, along with the #1 Alfred Nobel...I will use with #4 Noble's Promise and #5 D'Funnybone, and try to beat Lookin At Lucky and Akenite with better post positions! Also will play Ready's Echo and Mambo Meister with Mastercraftsman in rubber band mile!

Matthew W 07 Nov 2009 12:15 AM

I thought Randy Moss' comment about Life Is Sweet scorching the carpet fiber and rubber bits was funny.  That pro-ride looks like my dog's vomit.

Speaking of dogs, I bet Mushka across the board because when I was a kid my dog was named Mushka.   That worked out better than my normal handicapping so I'm only playing goofy hunch bets tomorrow.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow.

MEH 07 Nov 2009 12:18 AM

Draynay

I listed my picks for Saturday just for you.  If you go to Beulah and bet them, don't forget to take a wheelbarrow.....You'll need it to bring all that money home......I know you had a tough day today.....Believe me it happens.....It's not nice to get your butt kicked and kicked and kicked an kicked and just when you think you might get it right (Music Note), it gets kicked again.....Just Kidding.....HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY ON SATURDAY ON EVERY RACE EXCEPT THE LAST ONE.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 12:44 AM

Dirt Mile: Mastercraftsman, Bullsbay, Midshipman

I'm happy for the connections of Life is Sweet (my 2nd choice in the Distaff). The sherrif (John Sherrif) fired Rachel's deputy (Careless Jewel)LOL.  That one actually "shot herself in the foot" running that second quarter unmolested in a crazy 22 and change.  Don't know if the jockey is to be blamed as the horse might have come into the race too fresh but it certainly looked like a "suicidal" ride.

Looking forward to the BCC where Quality Road should regain some lost prestige at the expense of a very talented field.  

Zenyatta's supporters ought to be very confident that the mare will give of her best after seeing Life Is Sweet's performance today BUT her best will only be good enough IMPROVED.

And what about the "all conquering" Euros?  I'll leave that for "You know who"(Euro who?) to explain.  

Ranagulzion 07 Nov 2009 12:53 AM

How sweet was that race?  The "nobody" Zenyatta's been beating just beat everyone else's picks. It's looking good for Zenyatta tomorrow!  Congrats to Life is Sweet - I had forgotten she's a full sister to Sweet Catomine. What a nice win for her.

Diane J 07 Nov 2009 1:15 AM

Mike Relva,

The last paragraph of War Admiral's post was a jab at dray.

I don't think you understood War Admiral's post.

Anyway, dray get's what's coming to him. He's a loud mouth that spews nonsense.

Kelso 07 Nov 2009 2:57 AM

I was happy to see Monarchos get his first "big" winner. I've loved Informed Decision for quite awhile, and she won the race for sure because they all run the same distance on the same track, but boy, Ventura was smoking the field down the stretch...but ID got just enough jump on her...Ventura's a great, great mare.

I love She Be Wild...amazing she went from a sore shin claiming workhorse to being the princess...poor Beautician...second again...

Tapitsfly...whew. What a total tomboy athelete.

da3hoss 07 Nov 2009 7:22 AM

And the anti-draynay strategy proves once again to be extremely profitable. I bet so heavily against Music Note that I hit the DD, Pick3, and Pick 4 when she went down. On an almost ironic note I will however be including Quality Road in my picks today. Not as a single but included. I was on him well b4 the Fla. Derby and draynay and made my money off him in that race but if he can come through today it would pay nicely. Good luck everyone, even you nay nay on QR!!  

draynot 07 Nov 2009 8:03 AM

Tim- Good luck to you too!  Hope you had a good first day.

Laz- Informed Decision was very impressive.  I just picked Ventura though and didn't want to go with another chalk.

Dray- I remember the days when the tracks in your state were rocking!  The first time I saw a shipper from Beulah, River or Thistle, I looked at my Dad ( I think I was 8 or so) and asked "They have horse racing in Ohio?". Mind you, In Illinois we had Fairmont, Cahokia and Balmoral.  But my base was Arlington Park in the Marge Everett days- when everyone ran there- and now.  But,  I loved following those tracks in Ohio, and Ak-Sar-Ben in Nebraska.  Brings back lots of memories.  Many live longshots won for me from there.  Good luck today.  Even though I think Zenyatta wins going away if she runs her race, I hope Quality Road runs a bang up race!

Footlick 07 Nov 2009 8:23 AM

I'm still a MTB fan. I think he will do very well in the Classic. He appeared to be training very well. I understand he had shoe problems in the Goodwood, so I hope they are nailed on tight today! Go Birdie!

Saddle57 07 Nov 2009 8:24 AM

its obivous front running horses have not shot on this surface. Dirt forn has no chance on this surface none nadda,if your using a dirty hore on saturday just toss them they cant win, horses trained to win on dirt had better be super horses to just hit the board. The surface is antidirt not fake dirt its antidirt. Winning on this surface comes down to finding a horse thats going to make his move coming out of the far turn. In todays Classic we have 4 of those Awesome Gem Richards Kid Mine That Bird and Zenyatta. They are not the best horses in the race but this surface they are better then Summer Bird. Also turf form dosent readily transform to this stuff either on first asking. id save my money on D'Funnybone and look else where.

capper 07 Nov 2009 8:35 AM

Did yyou ppl not read the comments the Gomez said about LIS? Like running against the boys had taken something out of her aswell as some other tough races, implying that maybe she was tired when she faced Zenyatta? Did you notice he said that in her last few races he said that she was "not the same", that she didn't ever take hold of the bridle, that she would just drop back and not help him at all? Did you all not read that before you make these comments about how good she maded Zenyatta look? I could spin that to say that Lethal Heat finished second to last making her look horrible. In this race Gomez said that LIS dropped back but was into the bridle right away and was glad they got her confidence back. Point is the LIS that showed up yesterday was the LIS who won her first three races of the year, not the unspectacutlar who ran mediocre races.

I am not trying to take away from her victory it was amazing to watch, but coupled with the fact the pace really aide her and that she was back in form for this race allowed her to win the way she did. She was amazing in her race, but trying to use that performance to improve Zenyatta, especially when another horse that ran ahead of LIS last out and behind Zenyatta ran second to last is wrong.

Anyhow congrats to all Fillies and Mares, especially to LIS. Can we please get back to actual handicapping now?

LDP 07 Nov 2009 8:41 AM

Laz,

    At least one or both of my picks always hit the board. I don't know how many other can claim that. No, I did not have LIS for the very reasons that were mentioned by her jockey post race. In her races before she had lost confidenc, didn't really want to run, and was tired from previously tough races. I thought before I made the picks that if she did happen to revert back to her old form, she would certainly have a huge chance to win, but I am not around the horse everday to see if she is rounding back or staying the same, so I left her out.

Don't worry, I have a feeling that my picks will do better today.

LDP 07 Nov 2009 8:55 AM

Juvy Turf - Pounced (win) & Awesome Act (place)

Don't know how anyone could Interactif over the Euro's here, who looks even better than last' year's lot.  

Turf Sprint - Cannonball, Desert Code, both e/w (which is show, win, or place)

Cannonball has some real solid form to his name and nearly got some good horses all beat in the Jubille at Royal Ascot and he'll hopefully go well. Desert Code has been preprared for this all year, I bet.

Sprint - Gayego (win), Fatal Bullet (e/w)

Gayego will love the hot pace here and should come late while Fatal Bullet is nearly aways there.

Juvenile - Looking At Lucky (win), Beethoven (e/w)

An outside draw and low speed numbers give a horrible feeling to his chances, but LOOKIN AT LUCKY as been super in his four starts and wins and has won over this C&D very impressively. I’m not deserting him yet. BEETHOVEN looks to have a good chance at 12/1 or so and will give him most to do.

Mile - Goldikova (win) & Zacinto (e/w)

I fail to see the draw having a hugely negative effect on the chances of defending champion GOLDIKOVA if she can break well, and her price seems to be inflated due to that. The maturing and improving ZACINTO could give her most to do.

Dirt Mile - : With the likely strong pace and surface that should suit based on his easy win the in the Diamond Stakes last time, this race should suit MASTERCAFTSMAN down to the bone and he can get the better of the promising Godolphin candidates, the most feared of which is MIDSHIPMAN.

Turf - Conduit (win)

CONDUIT has done nothing wrong in four starts this term, proving that he is at least as good as he was in 2008, twice running well behind the brilliant Sea The Stars, including the Arc in France last time. Dar Re Mi, a place behind the selection in the Arc, looks a live threat, while Conduit's stable companion Spanish Moon, an improved performer this term, should also get involved.  I think he's a near cert.

Classic -Rip Van Winkle (win) Quality Road (place)

RVW is pure class and the best chance that Ballydoyle will have of winning a BC Classic in a long time. QR is too good to let go.

Good luck to all and feel free to crucify my picks =).

Our Vic 07 Nov 2009 9:02 AM

I was all over Biofuel in the Juvenile Fillies: I was certain she was making a winning move and was counting my money when - BAM! she gets mugged. Sheesh, it's hard enough to find live longshots as it is. Frustrating to have a good one eliminated by a jerk who can't drive straight...,

Ann in Lexington 07 Nov 2009 9:43 AM

JUV TURF: Bridgetown, Viscount Nelson, Pounced

Turf Sprint: Cannonball, Strike The Deal, Desert Code

Sprint: Zensational, Crown Of Thorns, Capt Candyman Can

JUV: Eskendereya, Aikenite, Lookin At Lucky (backup)

MIle: Gladiatorus, Courageous Cat

Dirt MIle: Midshipman, Neko Bay, Pyro, Chocolate Candy

Turf: Telling, Conduit, Da Re Mi

Classic: Zenyatta, Richards Kid, Girolamo, Einstein

thomas 07 Nov 2009 9:49 AM

WOW, WHAT A DAY, GREAT JOB BY ALL THE WINNERS. RANDY MOSS IS A RIOT, COCOA BI**H, TFF ! THE WAY SHE PERFORMED, I THINK SHE MUST HAVE HEARD HIM.

SHE BE WILD DID A GREAT JOB, WHAT A GREAT NAME. I HAVE TO AGRREE THAT BIOFUEL GOT SCREWED.

MAN OF IRON, ANOTHER CREDIT FOR BETTER THAN HONOUR. THAT MARE IS PRICELESS.

I LOVE SEEING THE GRAY'S WIN, TAPITSFLY & INFORMED DECISION, BUT WAS DISSAPOINTED IN FOREVER TOGETHER. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO HIGH ON VENTURA AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE LAST YEARS WINNERS ARE INTENDED TO REPEAT THIS YEAR.

LIFE IS SWEET FINALLY GOT OUT FROM BEHIND ZENYATTA'S SHADOW. NOW, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MOVE ON TO SATURDAYS RACES.

1.JUVI TURF..INTERACTIF, BUZZWORD & POUNCED.

2.TURF SPRINT..DIAMONDRELLA, DESERT CODE & GOTTA HAVE HER.

3.SPRINT..TOUGH RACE..ZENSATIONAL, FLEETING SPIRIT, GAYEGO.

4.JUVI...D'FUNNYBONE, LOOKIN AT LUCKY & BEETHOVAN.

5. MILE...GOLDIKOVA, JUSTENUFFHUMOR, DELEGATOR.

6. DIRT MILE...BULLSBAY, MASTERCRAFTSMAN, MIDSHIPMAN.

7. TURF...SPANISH MOON, CONDUIT, MONZANTE.

8.CLASSIC...THIS WAS HARD BECAUSE I LOVE ZENYATTA, BUT I THINK THIS WILL PROVE TO BE HER UNDOING. THAT BEING SAID... RIP VAN WINKLE, EINSTEIN & ZENYATTA. NOT FOND OF EITHER BIRD, ESPECIALLY THE ONE WITH DESORMEAUX ON HIS BACK.

LET'S HOPE THIS WILL BE A GREAT DAY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED AND ALL THE HORSES COME BACK TO THE BARNS SAFELY. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

MDFANOFRACING 07 Nov 2009 10:17 AM

For the classic, I am tossing most of the horses that don't have synthetic form. It seems wrong(Summer Bird is one heck of a horse)but this is not a DIRT race.

I really like Richard's Kid along with Zenyatta and Rip Van Winkle.

Boxing them hoping Richard pulls the upset.

TOSS ALL DIRT HORSES.

Andrea 07 Nov 2009 10:35 AM

Mr. Shandler

PULSION is the surest winner on Saturdauy

Coldfacts 07 Nov 2009 10:41 AM

Our Vic: Euros are gonna win 5 or 6 huh? You wouldnt happen to be from England would you? Stop please

jshandler 07 Nov 2009 10:57 AM

FM Sprint- E. Argentina, Ventura

FM Turf-Pure Clan, M.Fantasy

Juv. Fillies- Negligee, Devil

Juv. Fillies Turf- Tapitsfly, LillieL

Distaff-Life is Sweet, Mushka

Marathon-Nite Light,Mastery

Turf Sprint-Diamondrella, Desert Code

Juv. Turf- Buzz, Interatiff

Turf-Dar re mi, S. Moon

Juv.-Radiohead, Lucky

Dirt Mile-Mastercraftman, Bull

Sprint-Zen, Fatal Bullet

Turf Mile-Goldikova, Court Vision

Classic-Einstein, Richards Kid, Still will root for Z tho'

This is what I had/have, didn't do too bad yesterday, looking for better today!

SundaySilenced 07 Nov 2009 11:02 AM

My beloved Pure Clan and Music Note lost today, but I'm so proud of Pure Clan to have run as well as she did. Life is Sweet's victory means one thing to me; my favorite sire of all time, Storm Cat, is tied for most Breeder's Cup winners, five. To those who don't know, his other winners are Sweet Catomine, Desert Stormer, Cat Thief, and Storm Flag Flying. I believe the horses he is tied with are Sadler's Wells and Kris S. People who think the Storm Cat line has distance limitations should look at who won the Marathon(Man of Iron, a son of Giant's Causeway).

Citation 07 Nov 2009 11:10 AM

Hey Euro the Conquerer, sorry if i'm wrong, but didn't you pick Mastery for the Marathon and not Man of Iron? At least you are being a good sport about your losses.

Citation 07 Nov 2009 11:15 AM

Bummed about Music Note, a true dirt runner, but not surprised. I always suspected that Synthetics are not her cup of tea yet she still runs admirably. It was pure ability that got her in the 3rd spot two years in a row.

Imagine if she could have run one of those at Belmont. Oh well.

Looking forward to her babies in the future.

Andrea 07 Nov 2009 11:23 AM

Jason - Like I said, feel free to take a the dig at my picks lol - I've overbet the Euros but i do have a fair few US horses in there this year. You have to remember that we are already in better form than last year, having won on the Friday twice as we won none last year. And I have pumped for QR as a second choice in the classic, along with Lookin At Lucky and also Desert Code/Cannonball

I know I sound very over confident (And probably am) but that's all part of the fun for me regarding the Breeder's Cup!! =) I have read and enjoyed the blog all year so thanks a lot, whatever you say

P.S Draynay and the RA debates are funny. Really funny!!!!!

Our Vic 07 Nov 2009 11:25 AM

Biofuel got body checked so badly that I would have sent Negligee into the penalty box for a major.  Too bad.  It would have made my day to have her roar past all the others, as she seemed poised to do.  Watch out for her next year (another one of those 2YOs from Woodbine!)  And I'm glad I had a function and missed the Distaff live .... it would have broken my heart.  Careless Jewel is better.

mz 07 Nov 2009 11:37 AM

P.S.  All that's needed to make the world right again is a MTB win in the Classic!  

mz 07 Nov 2009 11:39 AM

viscount nelson, lord shanakill, fatal bullet, pulsion, delegator, pyro, dar re mi, summer bird.

einstein is a 25/1 shot with the european bookies.

good luck all.

Vince 07 Nov 2009 11:49 AM

LDP- LIS ran better races than they looked on paper.  All the West Coast handicappers said so.  She was hampered by the same slow paces that they were setting in the filly/mare races.  The same slow paces that Zenyatta easily closed on.  And they said that Gomez gave her too much to do in the Hollywood GC.  Lethal Heat was not given her best chance because of the way she was ridden.  Her finish does not reflect on Zenyatta at all.  Also, horses are social animals and they know when they are around horses that are more dominant than they are-i.e. horses in the Hollywood GC and Zenyatta.  They do not perform to their true potential in those situations.  Shirreffs wanted to prep LIS on the turf away from Zenyatta.  Her owners wanted to run in the Lady's Secret.  I'm not sold that she suddenly came back in form.  Shirreffs is too careful a trainer to keep her running if she wasn't in form.

Footlick 07 Nov 2009 12:16 PM

Hey Mr. Euro

Just kidding of course.....you're right about enjoying the day and today should be even better.....Hope you have a good one LOL

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 1:19 PM

KELSO

Ok,I will break it down for you. I did understand War Admirals' post regarding DRAYNAY. My point to War Admiral was that I'm willing to bet that he/she has lost on races before,also. War Admiral was attempting  to kick DRAYNAY and I don't think it's fair,especially since NOBODY has the winner every single time!

Mike Relva 07 Nov 2009 1:27 PM

LDP

LIS faced Zen before she faced the boys.....the simple truth is, is good as LIS is and she proived it yesterday, she is not as good as Zen.....I know it must make you choke if you have to give Zen some credit, but why don't you try it?

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 1:34 PM

Thanks Tim! You too!!!

To the Euros who post here, I think you have great attitudes and you never get cranky when we Americans give you the business. That says alot. Good luck to you too.

Karen2, you got that right about Careless Jewel.WTF is right. I knew she was going to burn out quick with that early jet propelled run. They say she is really difficult to control. I think they need to take her back to Horse Racing 101, review some basics with her, and get her to calm down a bit. They have shown her too many "Secretariat at the Belmont" videos.

I am also sending best wishes for a speedy recovery to Bobby Frankel.

Very sorry to see that Kent Desormeau and his wife are having difficulties. Heartbreaking. The life of a jockey and their families is clearly not easy with all the traveling etc.

Paula Higgins 07 Nov 2009 2:59 PM

im bout to add gayego because of gomez . forgot all bout him

thomas 07 Nov 2009 3:03 PM

wow if u go to espn.com . there are a bunch of rachel fans talking smack bout life is sweet. are you kidding me ? you have to go that far to say rachel is better. along with bashing john shirreffs.

thomas 07 Nov 2009 4:01 PM

Wow, Goldikova is a champ! But did anyone pay attention to Court Vision, on the inside? He ran aa great race too

SummerStar 07 Nov 2009 4:45 PM

1-800-HAMMER on ESPN

A scream>

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 4:54 PM

The English expert on ESPN emphatically stated threat Master Craftsman was much better than anything in the dirt-mile…..this in spite of the fact that Bullsbay was within 1-1/2L of Rachel in the Woodward for the last two calls.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 5:28 PM

Furthest Land is a reformed $35K claimer.....WOW....Master Crafstman had every chance to run him down but he and the other leaders ran away from him.....Chalk one up for the US.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 5:30 PM

Wow, I thought the whole entire Turf field would swallow up Precious Passion after that half in 45, but boy that horse is absolutely full of heart to continue on like he did.  And finally, I got a 1-2 finish!

Runfast159 07 Nov 2009 6:06 PM

Goldikova is otherwordly. An incredible horse. I hope she shows up next year as well. Would love to see three in  a row from her. Conduit great job, but Presious Passion can hold his head high. What a gutsy run on his part.

Paula Higgins 07 Nov 2009 6:11 PM

Thanks for ESPN for their telecast except for their camera angles.....I've been watching from another feed but watched the Turf on ESPN......The multi camera angles completely spoiled watchng the race.....a case of another hero director or producer trying to do somethng different.....Why can't they just pan back and show the split screen so that you can aactually see what is going on.....Camera angles like that won't attract any new fans to the race.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 6:11 PM

ANY DOUBTERS NOW???!! WHAT A SUPER STAR.  THANK YOU MOSSES FOR LETTING US HAVE THIS SUPERLATIVE ZENYATTA EXPERIENCE!!!

If anyone had been home watching me, my jumping up and down yelling would have been really embarrassing!!

runfast159 07 Nov 2009 7:01 PM

All I can say is WOW.....Enough said, What an amazing Mare, Perfect, Zenyatta....

Greg J. 07 Nov 2009 7:02 PM

Great rida by Mike Smith, Bravo....

Greg J. 07 Nov 2009 7:03 PM

ZENYATTA!!!!!!  What a race.  Didn't even chnge her race.  Ran them down as always.  Amazing.

Footlick 07 Nov 2009 7:06 PM

OMG she did it so easy

Draynay eat crow

jason she was spectacular

CBman 07 Nov 2009 7:09 PM

CALIFORNIA ALLOWANCE FILLIES AND MARES DOMINATE THE BREEDER'S CUP.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 7:11 PM

Zenyatta rules!!

Diane J 07 Nov 2009 7:18 PM

Long live the queen!

All hail Zenyatta!

Long live the queen!

Tiznowbaby 07 Nov 2009 7:18 PM

ONE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

♥ZENYATTA♥

I am so happy 4 her and Mike.  OK time to calm down.  Yes Greg J. I put my money on her to win....:)  Still trying to calm down..... Pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew.........

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 7:22 PM

All of this arguing over here is funny.  LOLOLOLOL....... Now what ya all think of Zenyatta aye????  

;-)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 7:24 PM

Dray- sorry about QR getting scratched.  But Zenyatta was my only winner today.  Looking at Lucky finished second.  The rest tanked.  Hope you did better.

Footlick 07 Nov 2009 7:24 PM

I tip my cap. While I still believe she's a synthetic specialist, I agree....shes one of the greats.

The HOTY debate will be spirited to say the least. Rachel had a campaign for the ages...and Zenyatta  won a great race over a great field.

While I still prefer Rachel, if there ever was a time to have co- HOTY's, this is it. Let everyone go home happy.

Saratoga AJ 07 Nov 2009 7:26 PM

Jason, Draynay, Andrew Beyer, etal,

You, and any other detractors, have to admit that you were WRONG about Zenyatta! C'mon she was (expletive) brilliant, even with all the antics in the post parade, and the late scratch of Quality Road. She always does exactly what she needs to do to win.  (Expletive), she is absolutely perfect.  Please don't deny her some respect now.  

Thanks

Goldie 07 Nov 2009 7:28 PM

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ddin't think she could do it but Zenyatta was beyond awesome. THANK YOU so much Ann and Jerry Moss, and John Shirrefs for entering her. What an experience.

O.k. is there anyone but me that thinks we should have TWO HOTY'S?? This performance was dominating and I wish to heck we could have seen the two girls together. It would have been a race for the ages. I certainly think we need a blog about which one wins HOTY. What do you think Jason????????

Paula Higgins 07 Nov 2009 7:29 PM

Zenyatta was truly awesome in the BCC.  She is undoubtedly the greatest SYNTHETIC runner we've seen and we still don't know how good she would be on DIRT (that's the tragedy of her timid campaign over two seasons).  Heartiest congratulations to her connections on this marvellouis victory.  it is an emotional moment right now so we will let the dust settle before bringing forward some sober perspective regarding the raging HOTY debate that will ensue from todays event.  

Quality Road! what an intelligent horse and star performer.  I believe that next year will be his for the taking.  I am convinced now that dirt horses do not belong on that Pro-ride stuff.

Ranagulzion 07 Nov 2009 7:29 PM

Oh...My...God...!!!! Zen rocked!! Got goosebumps watching her triumph to victory! Of course all the naysayers will pop up with all the inane viewpoints, but no matter what..... she is a CHAMPION!! A bitter pill indeed, to all naysayers.

Kudos to Mike Smith for a well handled race.

ZENYATTA!!!!

sweet terchi 07 Nov 2009 7:32 PM

Co-HOY's is the only way to go..it's happened before.

SundaySilenced 07 Nov 2009 7:33 PM

Jason, That crowd looked amazing!, Have you ever witnessed a more exciting race in person?, Wow...

Greg J. 07 Nov 2009 7:33 PM

Greg J.  1,3,4,7,8 was boxed in my super and because of the scratch, i hit the superfecta!!!!!!!!!!!  they gave me 5 in place of 8..... OMG I gotta look at this again.. I'll email you..........with the wager..... :)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 7:34 PM

All: I am finishing up my weekend's work and then off to catch a plane back to KY. I wont be able to post all your comments tonight, sorry.

Until tomorrow, I will say this: I was wrong, dead wrong. I will eat any crow thrown my way (keep it clean). She was amazing. I thought my boy Gio had it won.

Congras Zenyatta fans. You deserve your celebration. See ya Sunday.

jshandler 07 Nov 2009 7:36 PM

Paula Higgins

You too aye?????  Man smiles ear to ear for Zenyatta. :)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 7:36 PM

Jason-you are very gracious.  Gio ran the best race he has run.  Did you streak, by the way???

Footlick 07 Nov 2009 7:40 PM

If Rachel races next year, and I sure hope she does, then she will have a chance to chase the legacy of possibly the greatest or at least top two or three greatest fillies all time.  Words cannot express how proud racing fans, especially those in N/A, should be of the two great fillies/mares....For all those who at times acted venomously against Zenyatta, maybe now you should eat your pride and take into perspective what you witnessed this afternoon….Suddenly HOY doesn’t really mean anything anymore.  Actual herculean performances are what counts and that’s what we saw…..Rachel wasn’t here this afternoon, and I for one am glad that she wasn’t because then, barring a dead-heat, one of them would have to lose.  In spite of what anyone says from here on out, they both gave us something special in what turned out to be a fabulous year.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 7:41 PM

Zenyatta HOY no question she's the best and proved it today.Best filly ever!

Jesse you phony I bet your crying, you know RA couldn't beat Zen and you must have choked watching that powerful  move Zen made going by horses.Champion Zenyatta beat the best and could have run a mile and a half easily.Amazing horse I had my doubt before the race but she convinced me of her greatness.Great training job, ride and congrats to the owner who wasn't afraid to put it all on the line and now has made history and one of the greatest races in horse racing history!As Jerry Bailey said no doubt HOY Zenyatta anything less is robbery.

The Phantom 07 Nov 2009 7:47 PM

I still can't believe some of the so-called racing fans bringing up synthetics.....That's a load of BS....Are you are forgetting her performance in the Apple Blossom on dirt, a dominating performance.....I wish this race would have been on dirt, then what would you complain about.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 7:51 PM

Synthetic tracks are here for now, so that is what the horses in California race on.  Zenyatta was the best horse there this year, and she beat the best horses assembled in a race in America this year easily.  I love Rachel Alexandra, but Zenyatta is my pick for horse of the year.  With all the adversity she faced in the race, she still won without being fully extended.  I haven't cried after a race like this since Personal Ensign won in '88.  Also, I think Zenyatta is the first horse to win two different Breeders Cup races.  Her owners were brave to risk her unbeaten record in this of all races- two classic winners, the champion 3 year old and champion turf horse, the best middle distance horse in England, etc.  I vote for Zenyatta.  They all raced on the same surface and she totalled them

julie o 07 Nov 2009 7:52 PM

beautiful performance by zenyatta. and goldikova. presious passion as well. great ride by the young arab boy on vale of york.  

didn't back a winner all weekend. who cares? was great fun. bed. it's 2 here.  

Vince 07 Nov 2009 7:54 PM

Well, I wasn't going to comment again but who can't give accolades to the fabulous mare?

I met up with my sister at SA and she is a pure longshot bettor. We won a ton and if not for my stubborness on Mastercraftsman would have had the pick 6, sheesh.

I bet the farm on Zenyatta, now the farm will be a little nicer.

I can't wait to see Dray in his pink hat at the Derby, I'll be there for sure. If he shows I'll pay him $1000 to stay off my horse for that race.

I felt so badly for Todd, his day was just a bit worse than Bobby's but QR, was just too bad for HIM and the connections.

Remember folks who like to make unkind remarks about these beautiful, innocent animals, KARMA will get you every time, sad it took an innocent group with it.

I have to say that outside of the Derby, that was THE most electric and excited I've ever seen the fans. INCLUDING RA at the Spa.

I hear Mikey said she's the horse of the decade? He's right. His viewpoint on HOY mirrors a lot of people who are in the industry and I bet almost every one of those people who showed up today, horsemen and fans alike.

Did anyone SEE how badly the 'turf writers' who will be voting actually handicapped today? Now what a traffic jam but that's okay, it was worth it.

Tim G 07 Nov 2009 7:58 PM

so unfortunate what happened to QR,

Goldikova was brilliant

Zenyatta was ohmmmm, well she was Zenyatta.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

CBman 07 Nov 2009 8:03 PM

Somebody mentioned Zen’s so-called timid year……There were a lot of timid years by the winners today as seen by the number of races in 2009 before their BC race:

• Pounced – 3

• California Flag – 2

• Dancing In Silks – 4

• Vale of York – 5

• Goldikova – 5

• Furthest Land – 8

• Conduit – 4

• Zenyatta – 4  

Of the 8 winners, two of them had less races than Zen, two of them had the same amount of races and three had more races (two of them only one more)….I call that kind of schedule pointing for the BC, not timid as in afraid to race because you might get beat.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 8:07 PM

AJ Saratoga, Zen has won on dirt and could again easily, now do you and all the RA fans see why the Phony Jesse stayed home , she would have been crushed, the world saw a supersatr romp against the best field of any race in the states this year and won it from so far behind.No co HOY this is the best horse case closed.She made real history at the classic distance putting it all on the line.RA WHO? Phony Jesse enjoy your cry , good thing horse owners don't have a ego and attitude like you and support the BC,racing fans across the world were treated to 2 great exciting days of racing topped off by the  the historical run by THE REAL CHAMPION  -ZENYATTA!!!!  

The Phantom 07 Nov 2009 8:08 PM

So many exciting races but the Classic capped them all!  I love MTB, SB, Einstein, Gio, Richard's Kid - such wonderful races they've given us this year! - but Zenyatta was my choice and yes..I, too, was jumping up & down with excitement as she put the field away.  Like Larry Zap is wont to say, she may well be the best Thoroughbred of all time.  I am thrilled that she was given the chance today to prove to all the doubters that she belongs in exalted company along with the best of the best.

Truth be told, I also wanted her to win to prove something to Jess Jackson.  Zenyatta was allowed to develop and grow - and wow did she grow! - at a natural pace, not forced to run her heart out at 3. Rachel could have been the Zenyatta of 2010-11 if she could've stayed with Morrison/Wiggins.  She may still be competitive next year but I can't see her being the Force of Nature that Zen is.  And she will be just a memory at 5, fodder for the breeding shed.

The Mosses did right by their magnificent girl.  Jackson used his to provide another trophy.  I hope they are both rewarded accordingly...

Next question: who (stallion) can the Mosses be thinking is worthy of Zenyatta?  There are so few up to her size, and she is so dominant! Will she get rights of refusal? lol

sherpa 07 Nov 2009 8:11 PM

Jason

I just read your comments before you signed off.....YOU ARE ONE CLASSY GUY!  Have a safe trip.

LAZMANNICK 07 Nov 2009 8:11 PM

Zenyatta was amazing, couldn't have been any better, She is the only filly to have ever won the BCC. I have to say, she beat the euro's, SB, MTB,Gio Ponti.all the best out there, she done what RA didn't do. There is no other words to compare what Zen accomplished today. HOTY all the way. first filly to ever win the Classic, don't get any better than this!!!

carolyn rogers 07 Nov 2009 8:18 PM

@Ranagulzion

"She is undoubtedly the greatest SYNTHETIC runner we've seen and we still don't know how good she would be on DIRT (that's the tragedy of her timid campaign over two seasons)."

Dude, you can keep your backhanded compliment. Zenyatta has already run on dirt and smoked Ginger Punch doing it. She's a champ on both surfaces.

CV 07 Nov 2009 8:18 PM

RECHELLE

So where are you? lol lol lol GREG J,LAZMANNICK,MYSELF had to DEAL W/EVERY BLOG YOU'VE POSTED LATELY regarding that Zenyatta couldn't win today,she was past her prime,too slow,etc. You also mention like a million times she couldn't WIN EITHER RACE IN BREEDRERS'. We told you for the past two months what she would do,didn't we????????? Why don't you show some CLASS and admit you were way wrong! I'm waiting!!!!!

Mike Relva 07 Nov 2009 8:21 PM

♥Zenyatta♥

Poor QR...next year for SB on dirt.

da3hoss 07 Nov 2009 8:23 PM

My god were so many handicappers wrong except for some on TVG who thought Z had a chance...I lost my faith in her right before the race esp when QR was scratched. What a wonder! What a mare! She's exceptional, what else does she have to do....to prove it???

sushyne 07 Nov 2009 8:30 PM

♥Zenyatta♥ 14 starts 14 wins. All the naysayers now what ya got to say LOL. Good GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥ BREEDERS CUP CLASSIC CHAMPION!!!!! 5 MILLION DOLLARS! Congrats to you Mike and all connections. :)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 9:00 PM

Saratoga AJ

She is not just great.  She is the Breeders Cup Classic Champ!  :)

stardustyrose 07 Nov 2009 9:03 PM

    What a great day!  Congrats to all, The Euros did great, I think they won six(?), Not too shabby with the amount of entries they had, Still don't think Rip should have been in the classic, though.  Was very disappointed in Zensational, I think the jockey screwed up by not letting him go.  Presious Passion can hold his head high, All Heart!  Congrats to Conduit, A great horse in his own right.  What a day of upsets, You just never know.  Goldikova was the class of the field, I was proud of Crown of Thorns and California Flag, Well done!  Pounced ran one hell of a race.

     Finally, Zenyatta, What can be said?  I hope everyone refrains from somehow saying something negative about her, If someone does, After seeing that performance, Well, To put it mildly, Then they are idiots!  A true Champion, One for the Ages, She is just the smartest horse I have witnessed!  The way Mike Smith guided her through traffic and then her turn of foot, Incredible!  I honestly could care less about HOY, My brain says Rachel, My Heart says Zenyatta...

     Kudos to the guy that grabbed Quality Road when he went through the gate!  That saved a disaster waiting to happen!  If he had gotten loose with the blindfold on, I don't even want to imagine what would have happened...

    Gio was impressive, As well as Summer Bird, Too bad Einstein had to steady behind Rip Van Winkle.  MTB will be back, Please find one jockey for him...

Lastly,

    I would be remiss if I didn't have some fun with you Draynay, Here are a few of your now infamous quotes regarding the Great Zenyatta...

"zenyatta is in way over her head finishing mid pack. anyone betting a penny on her is just plain crazy. she will be chasing g1 winning males not allowance fillies from california."

"she barely gets by and now she has to face horses that are 5 to 10 lengths better then anything she has seen all year! how do you expect her to make up that distance? she is a 2 01 horse in a sub 2 minute race."

"All of you keep running your gums.  You only have 5 days left.  Then I can listen to all the excuses why Zenyatta got whipped.  Trust me she wants no part of CJ or Music Note. Her times THIS YEAR are simply too slow.  She is simply not fast enough to factor in a race against the boys. Anyone with real racing knowledge will not bet a penny on her to beat the boys."

"Jason, I called David Letterman and got the top 10 list.  Top 10 reasons Zenyatta will not go in the Classic.

10. Boys are mean to her

9. Saturday is girls night out

8. 1 1/4 miles

7. Quality Road

6. Summer Bird

5. Gio Ponti

4. She doesn't need the money

3. Doesn't want to trip on MTB

2. USC vs Oregon will be on!

And now the number 1 reason why Zenyatta will not run in the Classic.  

SHE WOULD LOSE !"

"I just simply cannot believe you Zenyatta people.  There is a very difference between running down some allowance winning filly and running down G1 winning males.  Anyone who tries to convince me she can run down Quality Road will get laughed at right in their face.  She is going to out kick Gio Ponti ? It's completely laughable and a waste of time.  She can't beat Careless Jewel or Music Note.  But to suggest she is going to run down G1 winning males is just plain crazy talk.  Why you ask, simple she has never done it and there are horses in the race who are proven G1 winners at the distance."

" I forgot all about Einstein.  So people think Zenyatta can beat Einstein?  Too funny. I can't wait until Nov. 7th I am going to have so much fun listening to all the excuses it really is going to be fun."

Finally Dray, My Favorite....

"If Zenyatta wins ANY race Breeders Cup week I will wear a pink hat to the Derby that says, "I WAS WRONG""

Need a picture Dray!, Thanks for making this a very entertaining year, lol...

Greg J. 07 Nov 2009 9:36 PM

    Congrats to whoever won Jason's contest!  I am curiuos if anyone had the longshots?  I only had a return of $63.60 on $56.00 wagered(Fourteen $2 bets), I think I only had 4 wins and 3 seconds?, Again, Congrats to whoever won, It was a tough two days to call...

Greg J. 07 Nov 2009 9:41 PM

One of the best races I have ever seen. Congrats Zenyatta. HOTY! A good race for Gio Ponti & also Presious Passion. Also, happy to see California Flag get his win. I adored his full-sister Cambiocorsa.

MRO 07 Nov 2009 9:53 PM

Zenyatta was exhilarating!  I got chills...what a wonderful day.

Alejo 07 Nov 2009 10:07 PM

most of the horses i had today got beat a nose to 1 length. crown of thorns, lookin at lucky, courageous cat,midshipman. but i had some winners like man of iron, life is sweet, pounced and bridgetown exacta and who could forget ZENYATTA in the classic. i wish the rest of the horses i had run well but hey thats horse racing. no doubt HOTY but maybe by a slight margin.

Where draynay at????????

and jason i hate to say but hey we told you so!!! lol

thomas 07 Nov 2009 10:24 PM

oh and you guys herd it here first Buddy's Saint is your derby winner in 2010.and he looked like his father too the way he was galloping  it ashame st liam is gone too soon. R.I.P

thomas 07 Nov 2009 10:28 PM

Glad to hear that you are willing to eat some crow concerning Zenyatta. I always believed that this mare had never given us her best and today she did. I knew that if they ran her in the Classic that she would win it. We always take the bus to the track so that we can hear what the racing fans are saying and if it makes you feel any better Jason many did not think Zenyatta would win. As they threw out her speed numbers and how one dimensional she was I simply stuck to my guns and told them that it would be Zenyatta at the wire first. On the ride back we rode with many of the same people and they smiled and nodded at my husband and I and then said "she was awesome". If this mare is not considered for HOY then shame on all of you.

Julie L. 07 Nov 2009 10:50 PM

It was an awesome Classic.  Bummer that Rachel wasn't there, but it was still a great race.  It's been a fun year watching them "run like a girl!"  Thanks to Zenyattas crew for putting her record on the line and letting us see her go out with her ears pricked and such style!

Racefan66 07 Nov 2009 11:08 PM

WHAT A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY THIS TURNED OUT TO BE!!!!!!

GREAT FRIENDS!

GREAT BEER!

GREAT PARTY!

AND THE EVEN GREATER "ZENYATTA"!

THANKS, BIG GIRL, FOR THE GREATEST BIRTHDAY EVER!!!

WELL, IT'S BEEN A GREAT DAY... AND I THINK... I'M GOING TO GO PASS OUT NOW.... GOODNIGHT.

Horswld 07 Nov 2009 11:14 PM

I was all for giving RA HOY hands down, prior...and then Zen happened and I started thinking about "what's best for the sport"?

Z has won on dirt tech. speaking, the syn transform to grass really well, safe to say she would be awesome on grass? Hence won on everythng? (stretch maybe, but go with me here) she won the classic facing a really tough field in a good time, nough said..undefeated no less, others have won this race and got HOY on much less..Then there's RA, WOW, no 3 yr old GIRL has done and does what she did, there's no way she loses HOY. There's just NO way EITHER can lose HOY. Think of the publicity! Think of the talk and focus on the sport!! TWO HOY's and they are BOTH GIRLS!!?? are you kidding me??MOVIE time, books, stuffed animals, photos, clothing, OPRAH here we come! PETA WHO? You feel me?? Oh the PAINTINGS of those two together, can't wait, they'll talk about this yr forever and ever, two HOY's and they were both GIRLS. wow. Am I dreaming?

SundaySilenced 07 Nov 2009 11:27 PM

The Pro Ride brought out 11 Gr winners for this years Classic---Best field of horses in years--this race was run on rubber bands but they weren't "timid" for running her and how anyone can say they were timid with Zenyatta, after feasting on her Classic, I guess you can say they did something right, to have a horse perform like that, and they all ran on the same stuff--except for your "smartest horse in the world" Quality Road, or something...

Matthew W 07 Nov 2009 11:32 PM

Well, she did it!! I thought she could do it if she started her run earlier and even though she was behind by quite a bit early, by the top of the stretch she was about 6 lengths behind re the charts, closer than she usually is at that point. Go back to my post around Oct 30 or so and I stated that I wasnt sure but that because of how she kicks at the end that you have to toss the normal way you would read the figures on her. The key was getting closer a bit earlier and that made all the difference. Although she only won by a length or so she actually won easily. Bring on Sea the Stars! (too bad he is retired)

KenfromRI 07 Nov 2009 11:40 PM

Saratoga AJ,

Let me "correct" you in your statement (above).

Zenyatta is not just a synthetic specialist.

Zenyatta is actually better on the dirt than the synthetics.

View video footage of the Grade I 2008 Apple Blossom and tell me how she does on dirt in the state of Arkansas (Oaklawn Park).

Zenyatta is 12 lengths behind 2007 Distaff champion "Ginger Punch" going into the far turn and at the wire "Ginger Punch" ends up 12 lenghts behind Zenyatta.

Zenyatta is in the pantheon of the greatest fillies and mares of all time.

War Admiral 07 Nov 2009 11:56 PM

She practically dwelt outta the gate, and Mike had to throw two crosses--rather firm ones--she spotted Gio Ponti several lengths and reeled him in--even though Gio was in full drive mode! I salute that horse--don't wanna talk about HOY or any of that crap cuz it's crap---doesn't change anything I saw today!

Matthew W 07 Nov 2009 11:58 PM

Ranagulzion,

Let me "correct" you in your statement (above).

Zenyatta is not just a synthetic specialist.

Zenyatta is actually better on the dirt than the synthetics.

View video footage of the Grade I 2008 Apple Blossom and tell me how she does on dirt in the state of Arkansas (Oaklawn Park).

Zenyatta is 12 lengths behind 2007 Distaff champion "Ginger Punch" going into the far turn and at the wire "Ginger Punch" ends up 12 lenghts behind Zenyatta.

Zenyatta is in the pantheon of the greatest fillies and mares of all time.

War Admiral 08 Nov 2009 12:01 AM

I was at the BC and it was awesome and amazing especially ZENYATTA!!!! The only other crowd reaction like that I have experienced was in 88 when the great Personal Ensign defeated Winning Colors and Alysheba won the Classic.

As for HOTY, if I could vote, I would vote for Zenyatta.  I love Rachel and she had an amazing year.  But the 3 yr olds she beat, Zenyatta beat today as well.  AND today, Zenyatta beat older horses that were more accomplished than those that Rachel beat.  AND it was at the classic distance of a mile and a quarter instead of 1 1/8.  AND Zenyatta didn't have to be hit 21 times in the stretch to get it done! Fourteen for fourteen, first mare to win BC Classic etc, so no disrespect to Rachel, Zenyatta deserves HOTY.

sidekickflats 08 Nov 2009 12:08 AM

It was an incredible day of racing.  I for one enjoyed it very much.  I hope our european horses will get more respect from American fans.  The Juvenile sweep was exciting, Goldikova is all class one for the ages.  Mastercraftsman, a great horse just terrible luck and a bad ride but congratulations to the winner, huge longshots during the day that was great.  Conduit won once again, but let me just say I had not known much about Presious Passion, a horse that takes off like he does over here normally is a pace setter for their barnmates, but he is something I have never seen before.  A horse with so much speed and so much heart, I had Conduit, Spanish Moon and Da RE Mi, but in the end I was pulling for that horse to win, it broke my heart when Conduit overtook him.  That horse to me is unbelieveable, to go that fast and for that long a distance, he is one special horse, it was terrible to see him lose after such an incredible performance.  In the Classic, what can I say, That mare is unbelieveable. Americans should be very proud.  She is your Horse Of THe Year, Horse of the Decade, for that matter.  We had Zarkava only for last year, Sea The Stars also gone.  You people should have enjoyed and appreciated your great champion more this year, and not criticize her like many did throughout the year,  a horse like this does not come very often, who knows when we will see a horse go undefeated again and finish their career in a championship race, putting her streak on the line, makes it even more great.  Great for the sport. I saw my horse Twice Over, who I hope you all can see I wasn't talking nonsense on a 20-1 shot, he is a great horse over here, and proved he was just as great in America, he was coming into the straight with a furious run, but that mare passed him like he was standing still.  Most impressive.  America be proud.  Enjoy your Champions, Glorify Them.  And dont make excuses.  The Champions showed up both days.  And Zenyatta proved to the world, she is just that, A world Champion.  I don't care what any of you have to say, that mare is the best if not the greatest horse to come out of America in a long time.  And it takes a big Euro to admit that.

Euro The Conqueror 08 Nov 2009 12:16 AM

Have we finally rid ourselves of Dray? How can anyone take him the  least bit seriously with his six-month daily degradation of Zenyatta as the "state champ'? I have never been happier to lose a race as I was on my Girolamo flyer. Zenyatta sure was exposed, wasn't she? This just reaffirms there is a god and his name isn't Dray.

steve from st louis 08 Nov 2009 12:18 AM

Congrats to Zenyatta and her connections for winning 1 big race.  The key to my statment is 1 big race. I will not in anyway be disrespectful of this good mare, she is good.  Very good, please keep in mind though that when your horse runs in a soft-cup cake schedule for a couple of months during the year, and he/she runs against horses that have been running against champions and challenged all year long the FRESH horse on the PREFERRED surface should win.  Look again please at all of the dirt horses that flopped because they couldnt translate the form to the "Plastic", its ruined horse racing, Zenyatta is the best synthetic horse i have ever seen, and in 2009 during her 5 race campaign, she won 1 race that was of substance.  Please argue that point with me, I'd love to hear someone tell me about how tough the Milady, Vanity, Clement L. Hirsch, or the Lady's Secret were.  They werent, just like in 2008 you run in the weakest races all year long, and then you show up in the B.C. and beat 3rd tier Euro horses, grass horses from american who can't translate to the Proride or dirt horses that translate even worse.  1 great race does not make for a horse of the year Campaign, 1 race doesnt even make for a championship, it does make for great conversation but HOY will ultimately go to the horse that ran in the toughest races ALL Year Long. 2009 Horse of the Year goes to the deserving "Rachel Alexandra"

afleetalexforever 08 Nov 2009 12:33 AM

Stardusty Rose yes, I do think she is a legitimate contender now for HOTY. Both of them deserve it period. How about changing the rules for two drop dead amazing horses. Don't anyone tell me I'm crazy. That was a run for the ages against the best of the best, adding to a perfect record, and Rachel had a campaign for the ages. Apples and oranges yes, but they both have made compelling cases for HOTY.

As for Mike Smith, he was absolutely perfect. An awesome ride and he deserves kudos galore for it. He took a bad start out of the gate and turned it into gold.

Felt very bad for QR but they did the right thing by scratching him.

Paula Higgins 08 Nov 2009 12:44 AM

everyone seems to give in for zen holding the torch for HOTY..lets sit back and look at the race including pre race..zen had problem loading the first time...then the act by QR...after this kink we see most of the upsets...and QR was probable to set up a speed to help Zen ..then the way she broke(looked like she was not interested in the race)..on the second turn mike did a good job of saving some ground and taking her out for the drive, but, she still didnot react like herself, top of the stretch looked like a looser, but, then came on and still won "without using another gear"...what else can we say "she did it on her OFF day" and with bob bafferts comments there is no way of a tie in the vote for HOTY she stands alone.

jim 08 Nov 2009 12:46 AM

SORRY GUYS..............NO CO HORSE OF THE YEAR.................ZEN ............STANDS ALONE  ....AND MAYBE A GOOD DEBATE FOR HORSE OF THE DECADE...........HOPE WE CAN ARGUE THAT

jim 08 Nov 2009 12:50 AM

Aloha.

I didn't think she was this good. At least I didn't have a Blog to rail on her all week.

Aloha

Manoa Tommy 08 Nov 2009 1:37 AM

One last thing about Zenyatta: It never felt like a filly vs males, it was always like Zenyatta runs in her own race, that horse seemed detatched from her fields, as if they couldn't match her kick--and she knew it...

Matthew W 08 Nov 2009 2:54 AM

Zenyatta!

I have never been so excited watching a horse race! My heart was pounding the whole time of the post parade and the majority of the race, but when I saw her get running room in the stretch and start to ROLL ON BY I couldn't help but to jump up off my couch and start screaming my fool head off, in my own living room.

She crossed the finish line in first and I burst into tears.

Just amazing.

nonnonheinous 08 Nov 2009 4:22 AM

I've been in the process of moving so haven't been able to post much. However, I did attend both days of the Breeders Cup (and even made it to Los Alamitos for the $1  million Los Al Super Derby 10 pm Saturday). An amazing weekend! I know some purists cannot move past the synthetics surface and are undoubtedly sporting wounds from the fact no horse that was coming off a win on real dirt won any of the 14 BC races.

However, with temperatures in the low 70s, $10 general addmission(with access to the paddock and winners circle and a good view of the track) and a number of brilliant performances, I just don't see how a true racing fan could view the weekend as anything but a success.  

Personally, having missed last year's BC, it was great to see Goldi and Conduit repeat(and what a race Presious Passion ran!).. Yet the day obviously belonged to Zenyatta. My main goal in racing had been to see Big Z run in person before she retired, and wow did she deliver!  I was able to get a close look at the the "Zenyatta dance" (she really kicks that right front leg out and to the side), prance, and repeatedly pose.  However, as amazing as she is to look at, she has even more substance.  As a singular performance, it was one of the greatest by a female racehorse in US history.  Additionally, it topped off a remarkable career in which she went 14 for 14 with 8 grade 1 wins.  With the victory in the Classic, Zenyatta's career record is frankly suprior to that of Personal Ensign, the undefeated filly that rarely left the New York/New Jersey area and only defeated males in a 3 horse Whitney field.  

Having not seen Z before today, I have to admit that I was uncertain as to just how good, historically, she really was. I knew she was a Hall of Famer, but I didn't know just how "fast" she was as compared to other all-time greats like Ruffian, Lady's Secret, and even Rachel.  Well, she proved to me she is every bit the historical figure that I perceive Rachel Alexandra to be.

Z is an absolute amazon of a filly, and the Classic reinforced what so many of her fans have been arguing for months: she only did what she had to do when winning her previous races.  And in those races, she was usually having to give away about 10 lbs, and had to overcome amazingly slow paces, all while never really being asked.  When confronted with better talent and a longer distance, Zenyatta demonstrated that there was, in fact, alot  more in her tank.  Mike Smith, who knows Z so well, orchestrated a beautiful ride, and was able to win with a little something in reserve.

It was simply one of those special performances that you were just happy to have experienced. Coming down the stretch, virtually the entire crowd of almost 60,000 was on its feet and when Zenyatta crosssed the wire first, the applause and celebration literally lasted 15 minutes.  

Prior to the BC, I had been adament that no what what transpired, Rachel deserved Horse of the Year, or at least co-HoY. To be honest, I was leaning strongly to Rachel being a sole HoY. Now, however, I am more convinced than ever that there should be co-HoY.  Rachel put together one of the greatest CAMPAIGNS ever by a female thoroughbred, and ceetrainly the best campaign by a 3 year old filly since at least Busher in 1945.  However, Zenyatta's singular achievement of winning the Classic tops any one single Rachel win, and the fact that Zenyatta moved her record to 14-0, while not directly relevant to THIS YEAR'S HoY debate, is impossible to just ignore.  The fact is, 2009 gave us two of 5-7 greatest female thoroughbreds of all time, and both deserve to be recognized as a HoY.

GunBow 08 Nov 2009 5:07 AM

For all of you there, you'll have to share it!

Had the race been 1 1/2 miles her winning margin would have been huge...I knew she's love more distance...I have only seen one other TB with her stride and way of going and that was only in old video clips and that horse, the longer the distance the better.

da3hoss 08 Nov 2009 6:54 AM

There can only be one HOY and Zenyatta is it. Turf,dirt,synthetics it would not matter she is as Joe Drape said "large and in charge".

MikeM 08 Nov 2009 6:58 AM

Re: Saratoga AJ "Rachel had a campaign for the ages...and Zenyatta  won a great race over a great field."...

I agree. I think Zen probably would have beat RA THIS year as a 5 year-old vs 3 Year-old, but Rachel accomplished so much more in her season...I hope the voters award HOTY based on this years races, not Zen's lifetime accomplishments.

I'm just glad we got to see them and they have good owners who kept them running.

PS How 'bout that Tapitsfly? She Be Wild? Informed Decision and that "almost" kick from Ventura? How 'bout Goldie? 1:32 and change...ouch, I'm feelin' the burn!

da3hoss 08 Nov 2009 7:04 AM

Zen is Co-HOTY?? Are you guys crazy?

That horse ran exactly 3 times against the same fillies, in the same state (CALIFORNIA), in the same surface (POLYTRACK), then gets up to win ONE RACE over the same Polytrack and state (Calif)-- the BC Classic-- and boom!  She's Horse of the Year.

She won the BC Classic coz all the others are dirt colts who NEVER raced on Polytrack before:  SummerBird, Col John, Richard's Kid, Regal Ransom, MTB, etc.

In Contrast, RA won 5 grade 1 races, 3 of them against colts and older males;  she set a beyer speed of 116 in the Haskell-- the HIGHEST speed score for any horse in North America; and she won many times against fillies, with winning margins ranging from 3 lengths to 20 lengths in a single race!!!  Last of all, she is UNDEFEATED THIS YEAR against both male and female horses.

RA rules!!  RA is the deserving Horse of the Year. Period.

Zen.. well, she is a champion, but not enough to be HOTY.. Not even if Zen wins the BC Classic running backwards...

Pasturelands 08 Nov 2009 7:12 AM

This is the WORST BC Classic I've EVER seen.. none of the dirt horses hit the board. NONE..sheesh

And I've been eyeing Richards Kid, and Colonel John.  Rats.

Zen wasn't THAT impressive-- she won ONLY BECAUSE she's been racing on California Polytrack ALL HER LIFE.

It seems all of the male horses dug in, but they can't seem to get the "kick" they needed to get forward.  They all seem to be "fighting" the track.

Only the very FOOLISH would give HOTY to Zenyatta.

I aint getting too over-excited over ONE race.  One race aint enough to take a horse from nothing to Horse of the Year..  Besides, with Zen's dismal Beyer speed figures, well, RA is still the best choice.  RA's Haskell win is just UNBELIEVABLE-- 116 BSF.

Man, you better believe it-- Rachel Alexandra is the fastest horse in North America!!  She does JUSTICE to the title HORSE OF THE YEAR.

Pasturelands 08 Nov 2009 7:38 AM

What a shame.  I really wanted to see Quality Road run. It put a damper on my Breeders Cup and I am happy its over. I will say it here and now I was wrong about poly horses.  It takes a poly horse to win on a poly track and Zenyatta has proven she is the best poly horse in the country.  If they EVER run on the stuff again for the championships I suggest they run the DIRT championship somewhere else.  Goldikova also proved she is the best against the males again.  Females had a very good day and proved given the right surface they can dominate.

For those of you who now wish to see Zenyatta win HOY let me remind you she beat the boys on her own poly track.  If there was a poly HOY she would be it but we don't award HOY to a horse for winning on poly only or for winning in just one state all year.  Turf horses win on turf, dirt horses win on dirt and POLY horses win on poly I now understand that completely.  Now that the Cup is over and the poly stuff is behind us I am focused on May and I believe I found a horse worth watching.  A New York bred that won me a lot of money yesterday.  The horses name is Don't Blame the Cat.

Dutrow trained and ridden by Eddie Castro I can only hope Dutrow leaves the young rider on the horse because he was spectacular yesterday.  He posted quick fraction in a hand ride and won by 10 or more lengths.  This is a 2 year old worth watching.  Hialeah is  opening soon I hope to see some of you there at the end of the month.

draynay 08 Nov 2009 8:11 AM

Hail to the queen!!!!!!!!!!!! Zen was just playing with those boys....

I am all for co-HOY....I say give it to them both. This is the history folks...

Karen2 08 Nov 2009 9:48 AM

What a Race ! That was by far the race of the year !!!!! Congrats to all Zenyatta's connections ...  HOY voting just got very interesting

Broken Tree 08 Nov 2009 9:59 AM

Jason: I agreed with you at the time, but I believe we're both about to be proved wrong for chiseling Rachel Alexandra's name on the HOY trophy earlier in the summer.

Yes, she hung on gamely as the favorite in the Preakness and went on to beat older males in the Woodward. But no matter how much Dray told us at the time, she didn't beat much in her head victory that day. Only Bullsbay, who was a 18-1 winner in his only Grade 1 win, went on to compete in the Breeders Cup.

I had Zenyatta in her debut but haven't since, trying to beat the mare each time out. Yesterday was no different. It truely is insanity to expect a different outcome anytime her trainer puts her under tack.

As for the Horse of the Year, a guy is allowed to change his mind, no?  

steve from st louis 08 Nov 2009 10:20 AM

Does anyone know how Quality Road is doing today after his panic attack in the gate yesterday.  I can't find any updates anywhere.  Thanks.

MimiG 08 Nov 2009 11:11 AM

By the way, all you 'negatives' obviously that words' definition is different to different people, You come off as sour grapes in the worst way.

BUT, I saw this mare run at Oaklawn. She whupped up on Ginger Punch, the 'it' horse of the fillies that year. John says she's better on dirt and frankly the way that mare runs, she'd win on broken glass.

Figuring I'm one of the biggest anti-synthetics there is, that takes a lot for me to say it.

Seems like sentiment is swaying towards Zenyatta, less than co HOY?

She showed up to the biggest day in racing and faced all the 'BEST' who also showed up. If you are healthy and don't show up at the biggest day of the year then it's hard to back ANY horse as HOY. IF that would have happened at CD? A HOY candidate would have been dismissed categorically.

There will be a lot more disenchanted horsemen if Zenyatta isn't considered. Starting with Bob Bafffert, Aidan O'Brien et al, not to mention the fans.

I heard from friends around the country asking how it was to see this,  considering the reaction of the crowd there (which I have to say FAR exceeded the reaction to RA at Saratoga this Summer) and the people I've run into in Cal it was one of the most amazing things in racing in the last couple decades. She was the #ONE Top Play on ESPN's Top 10 plays, not often that happens for racing.

Tim G 08 Nov 2009 11:23 AM

THANK GOD, I WAS WRONG ABOUT ZENYATTA. IM GLAD I WAS WRONG. I REALLY HAD NO IDEA SHE WAS 17.2 HANDS TALL. WHAT A BEAST ! DID YOU SEE HER RACING BESIDE MINE THAT BIRD AROUND THE FIRST TURN? SHE DWARFED HIM (HE IS 15.2) AND SHE HAS TWO INCHES ON RACHEL. SHE IS AN AMAZING MARE. IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE HER PULL IT OFF.

HOW EMBARRASSED WAS TODD PLETCHER WHEN QUALITY ROAD PULLED HIS JUVENILE DELINQUANT ACT ? WHAT A SORRY DISPLAY. IVE SEEN BABIES WITH MORE CLASS THEN HE SHOWED YESTERDAY. TRULY SAD. HE DESERVED TO BE SCRATCHED.

TOO BAD ABOUT LILLY LANGTREE FRACTURING HER KNEE, BUT THEY SAY IT IS NOT CAREER ENDING. SHE'S A NICE FILLY DISPITE HER POOR PERFORMANCE.

WHAT A GREAT DAY OF RACING, AND HOW BOUT THAT CAMAL JOCKEY, HUH ??

ANYONE WHO WAS NOT PLEASED WHEN MATZ PUT JULIEN ON LENTENOR, NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT HIS NEW SHOEMAKER AWARD.

MDFANOFRACING 08 Nov 2009 11:32 AM

Thank you Jason, Tom Lamarra & bloodhorse.com for making Breeder Cup weekend more enjoyable.

Fish 08 Nov 2009 12:35 PM

Euro The Conqueror,

     I give you credit, Class Act, And yes, "It was an incredible day of racing."...

Greg J. 08 Nov 2009 12:53 PM

PASTERLANDS AND AFLEET ALEX

 If you two losers had a ounce of class(which you don't) you would admit you were wrong. BTW if she lost yesterday you two and others would be the first to say"I told you so" well I've been on her from day one and shes' a "superhorse". Case closed!

Mike Relva 08 Nov 2009 12:58 PM

STEVE S.(LAUGH)

So,what do you have to say now???????????????????????????

Mike Relva 08 Nov 2009 1:08 PM

Greg J.  I know what you mean.  Both days were like that for me.  I lost all day long on Friday until Life Is Sweet ran. I put a lot on her and got my purse above what I started with.  OK then yesterday, same thing happened.  I hit the 8th race 2.10 cent superfecta but oh boy the payout was pretty whimpy.  I was missing most of my wagers by one horse.  Finally I just said to heck with this.  Put the rest on Zenyatta and the 5 horse superfecta.  Because QR scratched, I hit that.  Took a payout right away and still have some in there.  It was the last race that saved my butt on both days.  :-)  

By the way.  Hats off to the man that handled QR at the starting gate.  QR could have very well hurt himself had he got loose with that blindfold on him.  That man that held him like his life depended on it deserves a medal!!! QR is fine.  I talked to a jockey last night.  A few cuts but nothing serious.  ALWAYS listen to the horse!!  QR did not want to run.  They should not force them that hard.  :(

stardustyrose 08 Nov 2009 1:09 PM

MimiG

QR is OK with a few cuts but nothing serious.  He will be fine.  :)  THANK GOD!  

The rest of you that are still arguing over this HOY stuff come on.  Zenyatta could win on the moon.  She is THAT GOOD!  Some of you just don't want to except that although it is right in your face.  Mike said he was only in 3rd gear at the wire that she had another gear to go.  He had a lot of horse left.  ♥Zenyatta♥  I would put her close NOT the SAME but close to Ruffian.  :)  That is how good I believe she is.  RA would IMO have got beat badly.  That is why IMO she did not go to the BC.  Remember when Jerry Bailey said that RA had two choices at Saratoga and she was in shape to do the harder race on paper and they chose to put her in the easier race with the older horses instead?   Remember that?  That speaks volumes.   :)  Nuff said.....................

stardustyrose 08 Nov 2009 1:15 PM

Mike Relva

Some people don't know what the word class means.  ;-)

stardustyrose 08 Nov 2009 1:17 PM

MDFANOFRACING

I so agree. JULIEN is a very good jockey.  Just like Prado, I trust him on ANY horse.  :)

stardustyrose 08 Nov 2009 1:19 PM

Jason has CLASS!  He knows when to be humble and admit that he was wrong.  Takes a heck of a better person to do that than to make up excuses.  :)  Right ON Jason!  We love ya.................. ♥

stardustyrose 08 Nov 2009 1:23 PM

Euro The Conqueror

Unbelievable post on your part.....You showed a lot of class and heart.....Any time I go up against you I hope you realize it's all in good clean fun.....I respect your horses as much as I do ours....LOL and have a good day.

LAZMANNICK 08 Nov 2009 1:32 PM

Euro- Classy post.  I always thought Zarkava and Zenyatta were alike.  they both lag back, they both run horses down and they both run only as fast as they had to to win.  Zenyatta and Zarkava win their races easily and always had more in the tank.  Everyone on this blog knows how much I love European racing.  Congrats to you too.  Imagine a turf Euro campaign for Zenyatta.

Footlick 08 Nov 2009 1:57 PM

TimG,

when Zenyatta beat Ginger Punch, Ginger Punch had already been well on her way in the wrong direction.

Draynay,

thank your lucky stars that QR didn't run.  He stood no shot to win.  NONE.  That horse had been working so lame all week that his head was bobbing at the jog.  I was praying to God to please let them scratch him.  I can't believe that they were running after the way he trained all week.  It may be a blessing in disguise that he was scratched.  I wouldn't have wanted a breakdown to taint Zenyatta's win.  Also, he has always been a bad horse at the gate, but I believe there was a reason that he wasn't going in yesterday.    

Lost in the Fog 08 Nov 2009 1:58 PM

For the Dray Sayers, I mean Nay Sayers, some facts.....

• Zen’s last quarter.....23.1.

• Zen’s last half…..47.0, which means her 5th quarter was faster than her actual 23.4, 4th quarter.

• The mile in the Classic 1.36 with a ¼ M to go.

• The mile dirt.....1.35.2, with milers going all out to the wire.

• Dirt Mile last quarter Approx 25 seconds, well off Zen’s time.

• The other dirt races were not particularly fast.  Even the sprint.  It should have been sub 1.08.  Based on this, the time in the Classic was exceptional and could have been even faster if she needed to go faster.

I was particularly impressed by the fact that midway in the turn she looked like she would finish 2nd last….. she then hit the quarter pole and accelerated…..at the eighth pole she actually had to wait for a horse to clear and then another horse, before she could angle out…..Mike used the whip maybe three times to the 1/16th pole…..from the 1/16th pole home she was hand ridden……If she didn’t have to wait at the eighth pole to angle out she would have won by a lot more.

As far as this nonsense about poly specialist and synthetic specialist, that’s sour grapes.  There are always those who will try and put a damper on things and look for a way to discredit, and that’s all right.  We all do it at times when standing up for what we believe (I know I’m particularly guilty of that at times)…..It’s true that on dirt a few of her competitors would have moved up, but what people have to realize is that Zen would have moved up too.  There is no doubt about that based on her demolishing performance in the Apple Blossom.

As far as HOY, many prominent trainers including Bob Baffert, Eoin Harty, Cristophe Clement and Jerry Hollendorfer have already stated that she should win it now based on the enormity of what she accomplished yesterday…..I was always staunchly in favour of supporting her if she won yesterday, but now I really couldn’t care less……She accomplished something yesterday that will be remembered long after HOY……For instance, years from now how many people will remember who the 2009 HOY was without looking it up…..I can assure you that for the most part, not many……But years from now if you asked the question what undefeated mare defeated defeated males in the BC Classic and anyone who knows even the slightest about racing will tell you in a second.

LAZMANNICK 08 Nov 2009 2:19 PM

TimG,

It was breeder's cup day.  Santa Anita can hold a lot more people than Saratoga.  

If you want to see just how great the reaction was to Rachel Alexandra's Woodward, you can see for yourself here.  You couldn't even hear Durkin.  No matter what you may think is the truth or want to believe, you can't change facts.  And here are the videos of the facts.  And I believe this she will be your horse of the year.  

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

Lost in the Fog 08 Nov 2009 2:19 PM

Afleetalexforever

I told myself not to get excited when out-of-touch people like you post their derogatory  comments.  If you look at my 8:07 PM post yesterday you will see how many races the Saturday BC winners raced in leading up to their events…..the answer, not many…..As far as the PADDY CAKE races Zen was in like the Lady’s Secret, the Vanity, Etc. and Etc…..they were all extremely tough…..WHY?  Because the best horse in N/A this year was running in them…..Are you so daft that you can’t remember how her stable-mate crushed those fillies the day before?  Get over it and celebrate the moment like all knowledgeable horse racing fans are doing.

LAZMANNICK 08 Nov 2009 2:35 PM

lost in the fog , your lost alright, who cares about a video of RA running 9 furlongs against a bunch of non hall of famers and happy fans, she's great up to 9 f but real Champions win at a mile and a quarter against the best comp. The phony onwer was scared to put her to the real test.Give Zen's onwer and trainer the credit she didn't duck the big one and she gave the field such a big lead then Swoosh 2 minutes later history was made.RA best 3 yr old but Zen HOY.Has Mickey Rev sent jesse the phony a box of kleenex , i'm sure he wasn't so happy watching the BC classic lol.

The Phantom 08 Nov 2009 3:13 PM

Kevin: Never said I was a know-it-all. Im paid to give my opinions; you dont like it, well then, so be it.

Cheer up Helsbelles, seems like you are sad about a lot of things. 

jshandler 08 Nov 2009 3:34 PM

LAZMANNICK

Nice touch! I'm waiting for that loser RECHELLE to show up and admit all those neg. posts about Zenyatta were wrong. lol

Mike Relva 08 Nov 2009 4:44 PM

MR PHANTOM

I don't hear you,since you brought up my name admit the fact that I SAID about a million times that Zenyatta would win yesterday.

Mike Relva 08 Nov 2009 4:45 PM

STARDUSTY ROSE

We told 'em didn't we for weeks! lol

Mike Relva 08 Nov 2009 4:46 PM

Lost In the Fog, why would I need to see it on video? I was THERE. I was there for the Oaks, The Preakness and for several other races of hers. I've been at many of the major races over 50+ years and the reaction at SA was unbelievable.

NOT EVERY person at SA was cheering for Zenyatta, but when she won they all embraced her.

I watched the DVR of the race after I got back and Paul LoDuca, the biggest RA supporter on the planet, comparing her with Secretariat was almost ready to fight, saying that the people who think RA would wax Zen on dirt are CRAZY.

Basically for the Woodward? Everyone at Spa was there to see RA and no one else.

Yes there were less people there at the Spa, people who COULD have come out didn't and the attendance was inflated by spinners.

As far as the Apple Blossom in 2008?

I'm not sure which Ginger Punch you're referring to but at that point she was still one of THE best in racing.

That year she won the Sunshine Millions Distaff.  June 08, won the GI Ogden Phipps Hcp in a five+ lengths hand ride. July 08 she wone the Go For Wand Handicap second year in a row, August 22, 2008, won the G1 Personal Ensign Handicap. Bob entered her in the GI Beldame she was 2nd by a neck to Cocoa Beach. He entered her in that race and the BC Ladies Classic to try and break the earnings record.

She was the premier East Coast/midwest runner. Along with Cocoa Beach and Zenyatta was considered the cream of the crop.

Like I said earlier and as Laz (hey, Laz I almost got the 1.8 mil, but did get a split of the Pick 5 of 6)

THIS is what the casual fans, and from the reactions I've heard, the hard core fans and racetrackers, those IN the game rank as more memorable than anything they've seen in years.

Most of the biggest trainers in the game who have seen both run and have RUN against BOTH, like Baffert, are saying Zenyatta accomplished something remarkable.

RA beat MTB, barely, She beat older horses barely and NONE of those she beat finished close to Zen as they did RA, and the last one she beat Macho,connections KNEW he wouldn't beat this class of horses.

But if you think you have one up on those in the game, those like Baffert, then apply that expertise as a trainer/owner.

I was going to tease Todd and tell him that QR (once I found out he only had a scrape on a hind leg) didn't want to go in the gate when he saw Zenyatta in there.

Funny so many of you were saying NO WAY Zenyatta would be a 'quality' field like this even ON synthetics. Don't think this poor loser, bad sportsmanship is very flattering to you folks. Man up and take your medicine. Jason has and HE publically stated it on a live blog etc.

Tim G 08 Nov 2009 6:34 PM

who cares what "lost in the fog" says, when the actual trainer of "lost in the fog" says zenyatta should be HOTY.

jim 08 Nov 2009 6:44 PM

What a racing year!  Two of the best females ever bring a new dimension of excitement and much-needed interest in racing.  It's a shame that the HOTY award can't go to both Rachel and Queen Z.  Both soundly beat the males!

Zenyatta is awe-inspiring.  She's not only a superb runner but a beautiful specimen of a Thoroughbred mare.  And who could not love her character?  I rarely ever see a mare with that much presence, self-confidence and joie de vivre.  She is awesome!  I saw the race via a re-run and couldn't believe my eyes as she throttled down and ate up ground with her amazing strides.  I believe firmly that had she not come from so far behind and had been closer to the pace when she made her move, she probably would have won by 15 lengths!

I'll always hold Ruffian first in my heart, but Zenyatta is about as close as you can get to claiming the Greatest Female award. I do think that Rachel Alexandra is a great filly and will probably be stronger as a four-year-old mare, but given the same field, the same track conditions, etc. if Rachel had been in the Classic, Zenyatta would have beaten her too.  

More than anything else, I'm so glad there were no injuries and that Zenyatta retires with a perfect, unbeaten record.  She has nothing else to prove and now she can contribute to the genetic strength of the breed.

Zenyatta, you are the Queen!!

Susan T 09 Nov 2009 5:14 PM

Sorry- my computer has a mind of it's own here at work.  Lost-Ruffian set or equalled 8 stakes records and equalled two track records, so if that is your criteria, then she towers over Rachel.  But speed is not the only criteria, which has been discussed at length.  

Footlick 11 Nov 2009 1:26 PM

Pasture-limit. Watch where you step!

The Peacock 11 Nov 2009 11:53 PM

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