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Clark Handicap Analysis

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Okay, everyone have all the Zenyatta/Rachel stuff out of their system?

I didn't think so, but we'll move on to some actual racing anyway.

This weekend's lineup is tremendous, with 16 graded stakes at Churchill, Aqueduct, and Hollywood. I'm especially looking forward to the 2-year-old races, as well as the Cigar Mile and Clark Handicap.

Speaking of the Clark, is it possible to assemble a better field three weeks after the Breeders' Cup than Churchill did for this race? Wow. You have three grade I winners, three others coming off grade II wins, and a bunch of others who are capable of an upset. As added intrigue, Macho Again, Einstein, and Bullsbay may all be battling for champion older horse with a win. Let's take a look at the field.

Interestingly, Macho, Einstein, and Bullsbay--the top three choices on the morning line--all enter off poor starts. But all three are not only proven grade I winners, but love the main track at Churchill.

Macho was no factor in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and had a slight illness that kept him out of the Breeders' Cup. He comes in well rested but will need a decent pace to win. I think he'll get it and would be surprised if he wasn't a major factor. He's won 3 of 5 at Churchill.

I love Einstein but he has several things going against him in this spot. Helen Pitts could not explain his poor showing in the BC Classic, which is troublesome; he drew post 14, which is never good, and he gets a new rider (Rajiv Maragh) for the first time in 30 starts. I wouldn't be shocked if Einstein won--he's a super animal--but I must try to beat him in this spot.

I do like Bullsbay here. Yes, he also comes off a poor showing in the Breeders' Cup. But he proved he can rebound off that kind of effort earlier in the year when he finished 10th in the Hollywood Gold Cup and then went on to pull a shocker in the Whitney. Other than the Donn way back in January, Bullsbay has been solid in every one of his starts on dirt in 2009. I like his running style in this race, as he should race mid-pack and be in striking distance entering the lane. His speed figures and back class make him a big time threat here, and he is 3-for-4 at Churchill with Jeremy Rose getting the mount again.

Three others I like are Etched, Blame, and Giant Oak. Even though he is lightly raced and making a class jump, Etched is a very talented horse capable of knocking off these. Want proof? Look at his final time in the Meadowlands Cup--1:45.93--on a sloppy track no less. He's 5-for-5 in the United States and Kiaran McLaughlin horses are winning at a 25% clip third off a layoff. He'll be near the pace.

Blame also faces his stiffest test but is no doubt an improving horse with a huge upside. He has also run well at Churchill and enters off a good work.

Giant Oak is my hunch play. This 3-year-old has been costing me money all year but he may be worth using on the bottom end of exotics. He seems to be making strides in the second half of the season, turning in two good starts in a row. He was only a half-length back in the Indiana Derby when Misremembered set a 1 1/16-mile track record at Hoosier Park. And Giant Oak wants more distance. Nine furlongs should be much better for him. He had a huge work over the track on Nov. 21 and ran very well here as a 2YO in the Kentucky Jockey Club. He'll be 20-1 or more and could be flying at the end.

The tough part is figuring out how to structure my bets. For now, let's say an exacta part-wheel Bullsbay and Macho Again with Blame, Etched, Giant Oak.

One other longshot to mention is Demarcation, who won the Ack Ack when making his first start on dirt this year. Also a deep closer, he could get a piece.

At the time of this writing, entries have not come out for Saturday races at Churchill or Aqueduct but we can discuss them as the week goes on. For now, let me know your thoughts on the Clark.

And most importantly, everyone have a great Thanksgiving weekend. Remember, it's a holiday--we're not allowed to argue. We might be dysfunctional, but we're still a family!

106 Comments:

PHA still doesn't have its act together regarding the simulcast issue with CD.

Won't be able to bet or even watch the race.

Un-Happy Thanksgiving to the PHA.

Giant Oak has been my hunch play a few times.  Its probably the breeding.

Virgil Fox 25 Nov 2009 2:34 PM

Love love love Etched. I think he will be the winner of this one, with Macho coming in second, Bulls Bay third, and Einstein fourth.

Jason,

    Don't forget about the Top Flight and Gazelle. The latter is where the filly who was supposed to be this year's star is making her comeback, ladies and gentleman Stardom Bound! The Top Flight is looking good. Poker Night Stakes winner Cuveen Uncorked, who is making her graded stakes debut, is running, and is my pick. Then you have grade one winners Flashing and Sara Louise, who returning to dirt. Should be a great weekend.

LDP 25 Nov 2009 2:34 PM

I am with you on Giant Oak a horse with a ton of talent but doesnt have that killer instinct. He reminds me alot of summer bird.I am with you on Etched you have to like a horse that is improving and he will def. hit the board at a price. Throw out einstien at the 14 spot even though i respect him. Should be a great race to watch! Happy thanksgiving everyone and dray too!

It aint easy being good! 25 Nov 2009 2:36 PM

     Would LOVE to see Einstein finish out his career with a victory, But, For the reasons you stated, It will be tough!  Talk about a tough race to predict?  Like Giant Oak to win, With Blame/Etched/Macho Again.  Love Morena to upset Unbridled Belle and Swift Temper on Thursday.  On the Stars of Tomorrow Card at Churchill on Saturday in Race 12, Of Course, Lentenor will break his Maiden at 1 1/8 Miles on the Turf, He needed this race before going down to Florida, He needed another against two year olds, The added distance and Turf are what his connections wanted to begin with, Perfect Set-up, We shall see...

Racing, Football, And Turkey?, It just doesn't get any better then that!

Happy Turkey Day to All...

Greg J. 25 Nov 2009 2:40 PM

Macho Again -  Giant Oak exacta box in the Clark.  Einstein up for 3rd.  Bullsbay 4th.  Happy Thanksgiving you bunch of degenerates.  

Ted from LA 25 Nov 2009 2:51 PM

HELLO JASON

I like Einstein. Have a great Thanksgiving!

Mike Relva 25 Nov 2009 2:57 PM

Virgil Fox mentioned that the PHA doesn't have their act together re simulcasts from CD; neither does Penn National.  Does anybody know what's going on here?

Bill Daly 25 Nov 2009 3:01 PM

Bill Daly -

This is the response I got from PHA regarding the simulcast situation.

Obviously I do not have all of the inside info.  Its probably not fair to put it all on PHA.  Takes two to tango.  Either way, the situation stinks.

"Churchill and Fair Grounds are part of a group which is the Tracknet Media Group and we have been and are still in negotiations with them, and unfortunately at this time we have not come to an agreement. Philadelphia Park is part of the MidAtlantic Coop which consists of 17 tracks on the east coast and none of us are able to accept wagers on them."

Virgil Fox 25 Nov 2009 3:17 PM

I always bet Borel across the board when he's riding a long shot at Churchill and I also include him in my super boxes.  He doesn't always come through but he scores with long shots often enough that I've made a profit blindly betting his Churchill mounts.  I think his mount in the Clark is Dubious Miss.

His River City mount has even longer ML odds so I'll be playing him in that race, too.  Other than that I haven't handicapped this weekend's races yet.  

Happy Thanksgiving.  

Irish 25 Nov 2009 3:46 PM

I'm especially looking forward towards Hollywood Parks Turf Festival this weekend.Great cards,great company and Grraaavy!!!

Greg J., my brother was/is nowhere near as stud-of-an athlete as I am. :}   I'm just saying...Good luck w/that.

Carlos in Cali 25 Nov 2009 4:01 PM

Would be thrilled to see Eisntein win. You are right, he is a wonderful horse.

Paula Higgins 25 Nov 2009 4:03 PM

hey Jason  happy thanksgiving

I like Misremembered and Giant Oak in the Clark.

I plan to be at Aqueduct this weekend so i will give my pics for the Cigar Mile

Vineyard haven

Pyro

CBman 25 Nov 2009 4:38 PM

Hi Jason, My pick is Macho Again and like Sara Louise in the Top Flight!

Happy Turkey Day everyone!!!!

ALB 25 Nov 2009 4:47 PM

I absolutely love reading the real handicappers and their logic, sometimes I don't understand what you guys are saying (I try) like what is an "exacta part-wheel?"

So here's my picks (and the logic):

Einstein, 'cause it's his last race and I'm going to really miss him.

Bullsbay, 'cause he's a Tiznow

Dubious Miss, 'cause this year you're nuts if you don't bet the filly.

da3hoss 25 Nov 2009 5:33 PM

Hoss, Dubious Miss is (regrettably) male.  However I agree that Jas should use him.  How 'bout this Shandy, when he runs up for 2nd, and he probably will.  Drinks on you.  Sweet.

Art 25 Nov 2009 5:58 PM

If it rains or they catch a wet fast track, ETCHED will set a new track record.  

I know his talent is just beginning to blossom and his best efforts are ahead of him, not behind him.

racehorse98 25 Nov 2009 6:20 PM

I like Einstein but don't know if he can pull it off.  Hard to totally count him out though.  

Cindi 25 Nov 2009 6:31 PM

Einstein was supposed to retire after the Classic, but he's going to the Clark to retire as a winner.

He's my #1.  I like Giant Oak to finish in the money...then I'm liking Bullsbay.

Quality Road is having issues, now going to Florida instead of the Cigar.

Slew 25 Nov 2009 8:08 PM

Einstein may also go in a race in Hong Kong next month.  

Art 25 Nov 2009 8:19 PM

Since none of you can do it it's up to me to tell everyone who the winner will be on Friday.  The winner of the Clark will be BLAME.  Winner of his last 3 out of 4 should be enough for you but he is also 3rd off a layoff and has a bullet work and any improvement off his last dirt start puts him the 110 Beyer range and that is simply too good for this group.  I am going with the upset and BLAME for the win.  A nice exacta Tri Box with Blame, Etched and Bullsbay should do the trick.  Good luck all.

Draynay 25 Nov 2009 9:01 PM

JASON,

If Giant Oak makes the frame I'll be very very surprised.  Macho Again, Etched and Bullsbay ...that's your trifecta.  Anak Nakal has a far better outsider's shot than Giant Oak.  He has the ability to win on his best performance ...I think.

Ranagulzion 25 Nov 2009 9:15 PM

If Einstein is right, he should take the Clark hands down, even in spite of the outside post.  At least he shouldn't get caught up in the stretch like he did in the Stephen Foster when he tried the inside.  However, he's 7 and isn't as bad as his finish in the Classic.  He just might be over the top....I was really impressed with Etched in the Meadowlands Cup and thought that he might be entered in the Classic.  I know the track was lightening fast when he ran his 1.45.4, but the horse is lightly raced and looks to have a big future.......The Clarke, though definitely not as tough as the Classic, is deep with potential horses that might step up and challenge the top competitors in the handicap division in 2010.......

The Cigar definitely would have been interesting with Quality Road and Munnings in it.  Vineyard should be tough, but Pyro if he gets good fast fractions to run at, could finish his career a winner.  However, I still think that Bribon is the one to beat.

Regarding Pyro, I have to say that I have a problem with his retirement.  So far he has one G-1 win.  He does not add a lot of upside to the breeding shed for 2010, especially with stud fees declining, not rising.  And yet after a relatively short career, at least in terms of number of starts, here is another potential star that is here and then gone.  I know that I am not the owner and they are doing what they think is best (for them, not the horse), but this is another blatant example of the industry shooting itself in the foot.

LAZMANNICK 25 Nov 2009 9:17 PM

Bribon is a very good horse but Vineyard is from another world.  Nothing will stop Vineyard and we all know if I say it write it in ink.

Draynay 25 Nov 2009 10:54 PM

Draynay's logic is flawless: The Clark is a coming out party for Blame, just don't think he'll be much of an upset...so the logic isn't entirely flawless, I suppose.  Have to think they make this a grade 1 next year.

Blame by open lengths.  And can we all get over Giant Oak?  Please?  Isn't there a rule somewhere about not chasing your money?  He's cost me, too, but I kicked the Giant Oak habit months ago and have never felt so alive.

BLAME FAN 25 Nov 2009 11:08 PM

Baffert.....

Matthew W 25 Nov 2009 11:32 PM

Dray- Blame is a great pick.  He has a big chance.  Likewise for Etched.   Nobody likes Misremembered?  Or did he scratch?  I found him a little more intriguing than Giant Oak.  I also hope Einstein can rebound.  As Laz said, at least he'll have a clear run.  I am also wondering why nobody is talking about Bribon.  But, with only 5 horses and 4 betting interests, it's not really a great betting race.

Footlick 25 Nov 2009 11:32 PM

Draynay,

The only thing that you can pick is your nose.

Assault 25 Nov 2009 11:37 PM

first of all, the Clark usually draws pretty well, but not this well! my thinking is simple, you had a lot of Breeders' Cup worthy horses staying home because of synth, and this weekend (on dirt) became a natural target. Couple that with the normal draw you'd probably get, and this race looks impossible. I'm expecting a scratch or two, but not any of THE NAMES.

now, let's talk about THE NAMES. if you like Einstein, Macho, Bullsbay, Etched, or Blame to win...you'll never get a better price. If you believe, like I do, that THE NAMES are very ripe for a beating, then you'll play against. The bet...EVERYONE ELSE, as part of a pick four. I like to spread.

The pick(s)...Misremembered, think he could get first run if things are slow

Anak Nakal, think he may get last run if pace is hot.

Hppy Thanksgiving, Good Luck

rick 26 Nov 2009 10:57 AM

I'm with you Laz, why retire Pyro? Unless he has issues, I wish they'd let him try to get in a full campaign next year.

Btw, when is the last time all three Classic winners came back for a 4 YO campaign?

Tiznowbaby 26 Nov 2009 12:22 PM

I think that the upper echelon in racing is getting too much money for its own good.....I already gave my opinion on Pyro's retirement and as Tiznowbaby said, why retire him unless he has issues?  Obviously he can't have issues if he's racing in the Clark (other than owner greed for the breeding shed).

Take a look at Anak Nakal.......4 y-o, 16 starts.....3 wins including a maiden, the G-2 Pennsylvania Derby and the G-2 Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes, 2 seconds and 2 thirds and he’s earned $987,820......All this on 16 starts and I'll bet retirement is right around the corner.......There’s something wrong with this picture especially when you see the little guy, the backbone of the sport, suffering.  No wonder they are dropping out......Another example of the industry shooting itself in the foot.  At least the guys with the money can have a happy Thanksgiving.....LOL and have a good one.

LAZMANNICK 26 Nov 2009 2:37 PM

Tiznowbaby:

Just a thought about all three Triple Crown winners racing next year......I still have a feeling that if Rachel wins HOY we might not even see her next year.......In a way, what would she have to gain and yet if she comes back and loses a couple, she has a lot to lose......Just a thought.  LOL

LAZMANNICK 26 Nov 2009 3:23 PM

Assault, wow you are new to this board you better get a better writer that material is as old as Zenyatta's last dirt win.  Thanks Footlick let's get BLAME home !

I see there are some good horses chasing Vineyard and that is all they will be doing, chasing Vineyard to the wire.  Vineyard is much the best here.

Draynay 26 Nov 2009 3:36 PM

Sentimental selection of Einstein!

MRO 26 Nov 2009 5:44 PM

Laz,

    I think it's almost certain that RA returns as a 4 year old unless she's unsound.  Jackson brought Curlin back as a 4 year old after he won HOY and the BC Classic.  Besides, regardless if RA wins HOY or not, I really think Jackson will bring her back if for nothing else than to run her in the BC Classic next year at Churchill especially after Zenyatta won this year's addition.  You know he wants to prove that RA is better than Zenyatta and since she won't meet Zenyatta head to head, what better way than to bring RA back and possibly win the BC Classic, almost as if to say "it's no big deal Zenyatta won the Classic because RA did as well" type of thing.  I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson brought RA back with a prep in the spring before taking her to Dubai and trying the Dubai World Cup.  I think the chances of that happening are better than RA not returning as a 4 year old.  I guess we'll see soon enough.

    As for the Clark, with Einstein, I'm not so concerned about the unexplained clunker in his last race as I am about the 14 post.  I know many people who are leaving him off their tickets completely and I think that's a huge mistake.  I'll definitely play him in the 2nd and 3rd spots but I do believe the 14 post will be too much to overcome for the top spot.  As for the winner, I'm playing Etched.  He had a lot of problems with injuries early in his career, but they appear to be cleared up now.  This horse has shown huge potential ever since his maiden win and I think he'll live up to that potential Saturday.  He'll be on the lead at the 1/4 pole and since the race is pretty much lacking in terms of speed, I think they'll have a hard time catching him by the wire.  Any further improvement off his last race and he'll beat this field.  So, I'll play Etched for the win and wheel Einstein for 2nd and 3rd with Macho Again, Blame, Bullsbay and Dubious Miss.  I'm telling anybody who will listen, don't overlook Dubious Miss in here.  I know his class level isn't what some of the others have, but the horse loves Churchill, seems to fire his best with Borel in the saddle and although it was on synthetic, he ran a really nice race 2 back when 2nd to Furthest Land.  Borel at a huge price in a stakes race at Churchill anyone?

Curlin 26 Nov 2009 6:47 PM

LAZMANNICK,

     I agree with you on two fronts, Pyro's Retirement and Rachel racing next year.  When I was at Saratoga to see Rachel win the Woodward, After the race, A fan next to me told me, "We could have just witnessed Rachel's last race ever", Honestly, At the time, I thought this guy was three sheets to the wind.  The more and more I have thought about it, He could have been exactly right!  As far as Pyro retirement?  A shame if true, We need these guys on the track a while longer, A Shame...

    Now, With Lentenor being entered at Aqueduct on Saturday, Instead of Churchill, I am psyched, I can go to this race, Only two hour drive, PLUS, I get to see a great card, Stardom Bound, Pyro and Vacation are also at Aqueduct on the 28th...

Greg J. 26 Nov 2009 6:53 PM

Laz, had to go look it up because it started bothering me. Came up with Real Quiet and Victory Gallop, 1998 classic winners, coming back as 4 year olds.

I really hope Rachel doesn't retire unless SHE tells them she doesn't want to run. Them I'm fine with it. But I hope they don't just to protect her record. Selfishly, I enjoy watching her race.

Tiznowbaby 26 Nov 2009 6:54 PM

Thanks Virgil!  I appreciate reading the response from PHA.

Bill Daly 26 Nov 2009 7:28 PM

Curlin:

I agree with your logic regarding Rachel's retirement, but it's just a feeling that I've had since the Woodward.  Their situation is also a little different than with Curlin, though not much.  A rebound win by Macho or Bullsbay will be encouraging for her because it will substantiate her season against males even more, but not if they get knocked off, especially if it's by Einstein.  Then the thinking might start.......Going to Dubai will really be iffy for several reasons.  Those races will be on synthetics.....the only possible way is if their synthetics are close to what Keenland's are, and not Santa Anita's pro ride.  Otherwise, it will be difficult for them going to Dubai after skipping the BC even though Rachel seemed to be clearly finished for the year.

Draynay:

That one about Zen's last race is as old as Assault saying the only thing you can pick is your nose.  You might be right about Blame though.  The horse has a big upside.

Tiznowbaby:

I remember when all three Triple Crown winners (I believe Gotta Del Sol, Aloma's Ruler Conquistador Ceilo) raced in the Travers in the early eighties and they got their butts handed to them by Runaway Groom.  A fascinating race to watch on YouTube as R.G. a rank outsider was so far back and hardly got a mention until inside the 8th pole.

LOL everyone and don't forget......this weekend you get to eat leftovers.

LAZMANNICK 26 Nov 2009 7:55 PM

Bettors being silly picking Etched to win-insiders know why he ran like World beater last time

Throw him out-the insiders say to throw him out-he will stop at CD

steve s 27 Nov 2009 12:38 PM

I like Macho Again's chances here.  He's my top pick, followed by Blame, Dubious Miss, and Etched.

hejoso 27 Nov 2009 1:10 PM

This years clark handicap has the potential to offer some real value . The 2 favorites having question marks at least as I see it with Macho again coming off a 50 day or so layoff and Einstien a fav of mine having no excuse in the classic even his trainer dont know why he didnt fire . Im  gonna take a shot with Bullsbay - kiss the kid - mismembered -demarcation . I will use these on top and in the 2nd spot along with some others in the 3rd slot and hope we get a big one . Hey its gambling and have to go against the grain sometimes , I have been lucky hitting races like this before so lets go for it !!

Crooked Vulture 69 27 Nov 2009 3:07 PM

Now I'm ticked off again. Flashing is being retired after the Gazelle. Why? Please, Godolphin, don't say she has nothing left to prove. She's barely gotten started.

Tiznowbaby 27 Nov 2009 3:09 PM

For the Clark:

Etched-Blame-Macho Again

But this is really anyones race.  What a nice field!

Runfast159 27 Nov 2009 4:02 PM

Laz,

    Great point about Dubai being synthetic.  To be honest, I'd completely forgotten about the switch in surfaces.  I still believe Rachel is almost certain to be back next year as I really think Jackson wants a crack at the BC Classic with her and especially since it will be at Churchill.  If, as I believe, they do bring her back, I'm curious to see where they start her campaign next year.  If I had to take a guess, I'm thinking New Orleans Handicap at Fair Grounds.

    Dray, Dray, Dray!  Well I guess if you fire enough bullets, you're bound to hit something eventually.  That's the best part about this game as far as a gambler's perspective.  It only takes one.  Nice call on Blame.  Now let's see if you can make it 2 in a row with Vineyard Haven in tomorrow's Cigar Mile.

Curlin 27 Nov 2009 7:32 PM

hi Jason what do you think about

Japan cup on sunday & who do u like.

thirteen 27 Nov 2009 7:47 PM

DRAYNAY,

At last no one will "blame" you about the outcome of the Clark, LOL.  

I have to agree with you that Vineyard Haven will prove very elusive in the Cigar mile.  Bribon however is quite capable of upsetting the applecart.

Buddy I haven't seen your pick in the Remsen but it will take a brave one or should I say a "saint" to topple Rick Dutrow's Homboykris.  These two colts should get the 2010 "triple crown juices" flowing.

Ranagulzion 27 Nov 2009 9:17 PM

Where was Macho Again in the Clark today?

He finished a clunked up 9th.

The Macho Again connections targeted the Clark and took the time to get him ready for it.

Where was BullsBay?

That Woodward was weaker than hell. Now wonder why Jess Jackson moved Rachel Alexandra from the Beldame (where Zenyatta nominated) to the Woodward.

Lady's Secret 27 Nov 2009 10:48 PM

That Clark Handicap didn't make Rachel Alexandra's Woodward look good at all.

The Woodward second place finisher (Macho Again) finished 9th in the Clark and the third place finisher in the Woodward (Bullsbay) finished 7th in the Clark.

Not too good :+(

Rachel Alexandra 27 Nov 2009 10:53 PM

    What a great Charge by Einstein, He sure gave it his all!  Kudos to Blame and  Misremembered, Giant Oak also with a decent showing!  What a fun day it will be at the Big A tomorrow!  Besides Lentenor of course, Curious on what Stardom Bound will do, Hope she shows her old form!  I am going to go with the Longshot, Vacation, I know he winless on dirt, But, Not by much, He will be a great price and will be overlooked! Vacation, Pyro, and Kowboy. Here is to Prado bringing Homeboykris ahead of Buddy's Saint.

Greg J. 27 Nov 2009 11:45 PM

Not many commenting about the Turf Festival at Hollywood.  Afterall, it's Hollywood that has the most gr.1 races this weekend, with 3.  

The Citation was emotional, at least`for me.  Fluke, previously trained by Bobby Frankel, came through under a perfect ride by red-hot Joe Talamo to give longtime Frankel assitant Humberto Ascanio a gr.1 right off the bat.  After a moderate early pace, Fluke was somewhat remarkably able to close from 5th, posting a final sixteenth in 5 and change.  Raced early in his career in Brazil, Fluke appears to have learned to rate, and his Citation performance should make him a top contender in a weak Cali turf division.

Tomorrow, Ascanio sends out one of Frankel's all-time favorites, Ventura, in the Matriarch as she tries to win her 3rd gr.1 of the year.  Also, going for her 3rd gr.1 of the year is Diamondrella, now trained by Gary Stevens.  On Sunday, it's the Hollywood Derby with the best field of 3 year old turfer assembled in  North America this year: Take the Points, Battle of Hastings, Straight Story, Black Bear Island, The Usual QT, etc.  

GunBow 28 Nov 2009 1:23 AM

After the Clark, I firmly believe that neither Einstein, Macho Again, or Bullsbay should be considered for the older male(dirt) Eclipse.  Either give Gio Ponti both the Male Turf and Older Male award or give Conduit the Turf and Gio Ponti the older male.  The fact is, none of the "dirt" horses have done enough to deserve their name on an Eclipse. I like Einstein, but I'd be much more comfortable with Gio Ponti with 2 awards.

GunBow 28 Nov 2009 1:26 AM

"That Clark Handicap didn't make Rachel Alexandra's Woodward look good at all.

The Woodward second place finisher (Macho Again) finished 9th in the Clark and the third place finisher in the Woodward (Bullsbay) finished 7th in the Clark.

Not too good :+("

This is my principal issue with horse racing fans, the belief that a great performance on a certain day can be duplicated, time after time. If horses ran to prior form ALL THE TIME, there would be no longshots, no reason to pick against the faves. The race Macho and Bullsbay ran in the Clark does nothing to take away from the Woodward. Each race is independent of the last, and almost anything can happen each time out. Even the best don't run well, every time out.

rick 28 Nov 2009 11:19 AM

Blame was clearly the best coming into the race having won 3 of his last 4.  Bullsbay and Macho Again clearly did not come into the race with the form they had in the summer. The people from Churchill called all upset with me.  It seems attendance was down because I told everyone on this blog who was going to win.  Many of the thousands that read this blog just stayed home because I ruined the race for them.  So Churchill has asked me to stop giving out all the winners.  Even some of the jockeys were upset and didn't even want to run the race knowing I had already given away who the winner would be.  To those of you who are upset that I ruined the end for you I am sorry.  In the future I promise to be a little more careful throwing around my amazing talent and ability.

draynay 28 Nov 2009 11:31 AM

GunBow- I always love the Hollywood Turf Festival.  And the Hollywood Derby is a great field this year.  And, I agree about the older males.  Give both Eclipses to Gio

Footlick 28 Nov 2009 11:37 AM

I thought for sure Dray was going to jinx Blame in the Clark!  I think next year we'll have a really good handicap division with some of this years 3 year olds moving forward.

Wow, that was an impressive win by Buddy's Saint in the Remsen!  So far from the 2 year old colts I like him for my pre-Derby bet.

Also, Lost Aptitude in the Grand Canyon on turf looked good.  Will have to watch for this one next year.

21 MTP for the Gazelle. Would like to see Stardom Bound return to form but I like Milwaukee Brew here.

Runfast159 28 Nov 2009 2:51 PM

Liked the looks of Tizahit in the Demoiselle. She's out of a Kris S. mare. Bodes well for next year as a 3YO.

Tiznowbaby 28 Nov 2009 2:56 PM

Watched the replay of Letanor finishing second today. Not bad, but for all you people who want him to be the next Barbaro I think you are grasping at straws. I would like to see him on dirt next time out before I totally dismiss him from contending on the Derby trail.

longwaytomay 28 Nov 2009 3:00 PM

JASON

Since Watchmaker is picking against S B that's all the indication I need to pick her to win. lol

Mike Relva 28 Nov 2009 3:02 PM

OK, so Kodiak Kowboy won the Carter, the Vosburgh and the Cigar Mile and was second in the Forego.

Good enough for the Eclipse for sprinter?

Tiznowbaby 28 Nov 2009 4:10 PM

Hey Rick:

Your logic about Macho Again and Bullsbay not carrying their form doesn't make a lot of sense.  Macho hasn't won a race since June 13 and is 2 for 8 this year......Bullsbay hasn't won since Aug 8 and is 3 for 11 in 2009.  I don't see how their presence makes any race super strong.  they are just average good horses who every once in a while step up and win.  There is nothing wrong with that, but don't talk about them like they are top G-1 horses. They aren't.

LAZMANNICK 28 Nov 2009 8:12 PM

Tiznow,

more than enough. I don't even think it's close. the other horse other folks would mention would be Zensational, and his G1 wins are against nothing. folks can debate that all they want, but the horses he was beating up on couldn't come back to win 60k stakes @ Fairplex. Kodiak would be the choice, with Cpt. Candyman, Munnings, Fab Strike and Zensational fighting for second.

Jason, can we include Canadian acheivement? if so, throw in Fatal Bullet, a clear second.

rick 28 Nov 2009 8:28 PM

Rick,

Your dead wrong. That Clark Handicap just made the "Horse of the Year" decision for many people.

Secretariat 28 Nov 2009 9:01 PM

Secretariat,

how am I wrong? longshots are born from supposed "great" horses losing. the way you guys think, form always holds. and because Macho and Bullsbay looked less-than-stellar in the Clark, somehow RA's peformance in the Woodward is diminished? next you're gonna tell me that you pick your winners by looking at final times...

rik 28 Nov 2009 9:50 PM

JASON

Ok,was wrong today regarding SB. Unlike some of your readers I don't offer excuses for being incorrect.

Mike Relva 28 Nov 2009 10:01 PM

FYI,

   Sad News, Summer Bird suffered a fracture to his right front leg while training at Hanshin race course Sunday morning in preparation for next Sunday’s Japan Cup Dirt, Not life threatening though.  Feel terrible for Mr. Ice and obviously sad for Summer Bird...

Greg J. 28 Nov 2009 10:37 PM

Secretariat ?  What on earth does the Clark have to do with HOY?  Rachel is the only filly in HISTORY to win the Woodward and you want to diminish that ?  Good luck.  No matter how much it bothers you Rachel is HOY so just let it go and move on.

draynay 28 Nov 2009 11:47 PM

rick,

I just hope grass female doesn't go to Goldi. Love to watch her, she's incredible, but she raced exactly once in North America.

Tiznowbaby 28 Nov 2009 11:51 PM

Too bad Sprinter wasn't open to males and females...Ventura.

My power was out all yesterday...i was pretty happy to see KK go out a winner, What a bummer about SB...now they're talking maybe retiring him...well, that will make it easier for me to give up horse racing...only RA to keep an eye on, maybe American Lion...

da3hoss 29 Nov 2009 8:11 AM

Well, from a purely emotional standpoint, the Matriarch produced the perfect ending, with Ventura romping to a clear victory.  Always one of Frankel's favorites, Ventura gave Humberto Ascanio his 2nd gr.1 win in as many days.  It was great being on track for both.

While Fluke proved a revelation in the Citation, it will be Ventura that I will remember.  After being ridden well off the pace for most of her career, Garrett Gomez correctly had her in 3rd during the first 6 furlongs, well within striking distance of a loose on the lead Tuscan Evening.  A recent gr.2 winner, Tuscan Evening ran well to be 2nd, but she was absolutely no match for Ventura.  

Although closer to the pace than normal, Ventura came with a stretch kick as devastating as ever, getting the last quarter in around 22 flat.  The acceleration she displayed in the Matriarch makes one wonder if she might have been more effective racing a little closer to the pace throughout her career.  It must be said, in counter argument, that when Ventura did show more speed, or made an early run in the past, she often would pull herself up and then get caught on the wire, like in the Madison(vs. Informed Decision) and the Cash Call Mile last year.  In the Matriarch, however, Ventura did not pull herself up once she made the lead,instead powering home in such a manner that Gomez commented that she may be in the best form of her life.  This is saying something for a mare with 5 gr.1 victories(if one includes last year's Breeder's Cup Filly + Mare Sprint), including a gr.1 over the boys in the Woodbine Mile.  If only there was`a way for Ventura to get the older male Eclipse. Anyways, one could hardly script it any better for a career finale.  Thanks for the memories Ventura.

As a footnote, Ventura did some Zenyattaesque posing in the paddock/saddling area prior to the race, raising her head for cameras a number of times.  Although no horse that I have seen recently can match the charisma of Zenyatta, Ventura has alot of personality and is a stout physical specimen.  To think that there was a year in which Zenyatta, Rachel, Goldi, and Ventura defeated males in gr.1 races! What a quartet!  Speaking of Zenyatta, I look forward to seeing her later today parade at Hollywood.

GunBow 29 Nov 2009 9:26 AM

I thought Summer Bird had a small chip, and they were going to remove it and resume his training in 3-4 months?  And nice race by Vodka in the Japan Cup.

Footlick 29 Nov 2009 10:16 AM

draynay

who you like for the derby so far ? I like buddy's saint since that nashua win.

you think vodka showed some of that sunday silence in that win?

thomas 29 Nov 2009 10:46 AM

At least Einstein broke up a 3 year

old trifecta, by coming in 3rd.  I

truly admire Einstein, in his skill

and his looks.  Giant Oak has impressed me all year simply by the length of his stides when he's running for the wire.

Slew 29 Nov 2009 11:18 AM

Hey did everyone notice the first three finishers in the Clark all had big wins on synthetic surfaces?

Maybe this synthetic/dirt controversy that seems to dominate racing today, including the horse of the year voting, is really not that big of a factor.  

Mike 29 Nov 2009 11:23 AM

Footlick, other sites are reporting a fracture in the medial carpal. Maybe a screw needed.

Tiznowbaby 29 Nov 2009 1:22 PM

Mike,

    For some reason, I see more synthetic horses take to dirt than dirt to synthetic. I have no idea why, but those that specialize on dirt switching to synthetics seem to do much worse. At least from what I've seen.

LDP 29 Nov 2009 2:47 PM

Thomas,

    Buddy's Saint is on my list too. The only thing that makes me wary of him is that he is more of a long striding big horse. I'm not sure what the actaul statistics are on this but I think a Derby horse, mainly because of the size of the field and traffic issues, has to be really quick and agile with a good turn of foot. Buddy's Saint is a good looking prospect though.

LDP 29 Nov 2009 2:50 PM

Thanks Tiznowbaby

Footlick 29 Nov 2009 2:54 PM

LDP

Hello,did you have a good holiday?

Mike Relva 29 Nov 2009 4:09 PM

LDP- I too feel that a horse has to be agile and have a quick turn of foot to win the Derby.  And luck.

Footlick 29 Nov 2009 7:36 PM

DRAYNAY

Did you know the race that Zenyatta won by the most WAS ON DIRT last year?

Mike Relva 29 Nov 2009 8:26 PM

"Rachel is the only filly in HISTORY to win the Woodward and you want to diminish that ?".

    Dray, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  I guess some people want to diminish RA's win in the Woodward because of poor performances in the Clark by Bullsbay and Macho Again, just as you want to diminish Zenyatta being the only mare in HISTORY to win the BC Classic because she's a "synthetic specialist".

    Now back to the Clark, I wish Einstein could've gone out a winner.  He ran a huge race to finish 3rd, terrible post and all.  Once Rajiv got out from behind that wall of horses and in the clear, he was closing fast but just ran out of ground.

    As for Misremembered & Blame, I'm glad these 2 appear to be sticking around for a 4 year old campaign next year.  The older handicap division is going to need them as they seem to really be coming into their own late this year.  Hopefully Summer Bird comes back healthy, Quality Road can get past his issues and horses like Vineyard Haven, Friesan Fire and Midshipman stay healthy for a possible return next year.  When we stop and look back at this year, this really turned out to be a pretty decent crop of 3 year olds and since most appear to be returning next year unlike most years, we, as horse racing fans, have a lot to look forward to next year.  Speaking of getting healthy, anybody know how Musket Man and Dunkirk are doing?  I haven't heard much about either recently.

Curlin 29 Nov 2009 8:43 PM

Mike,

    Hey! How are you? I had a fairly decent Thanksgiving. No parties, just me and the rest of the family in a nice quiet (for once) dinner. We got out of school and went to see New Moon, which was REALLY good, lol. I got to play with my little cousin, he is just too cute! I was able to spend some time with my dirt/dust ball horses. The only thing that would make it better is I and some others could actually learn to shut up and stop arguing, blog wise. To top it off, I got to, not live, see Zenyatta parade. I didn't get to see Curlin last year, and even though she is not my favorite I still actually like her. It was such a treat that I'm going to write about it on my blog.

Well that just about wraps up my Thanksgiving vacation, lol. How did yours go?

LDP 29 Nov 2009 10:03 PM

I'd like to see grass female go to Ventura.

Kat 30 Nov 2009 1:08 AM

Great to see Zenyatta at the track today, although I waited for about 5 minutes in the paddock area.  Having been at Hollywood all weekend, the track didn't make it clear where she would making her entrance(on the backstretch and then the clubhouse turn and down the stretch the wrong way before turning around).  Compared to Breeder's Cup day, Zenyatta was amazingly docile, except when Mike Smith climbed aboard for a few minutes.  That's when she started pawing with her right front leg, with Smith egging on the crowd as each round of cheering brought more pawing.  These horses defintely know who are on their backs.

As for the Hollywood Derby, The Usual QT is 100% the legit real deal.  He absolutely dominated by far the deepest field of 3 year old turfers, winning for the 5th straight time since being put back on turf after running 2nd on turf in a maiden race earlier in the year.  Again, while Fluke was impressive winning the Citation with a 104 Beyer, the male turf division in Cali is not the strongest, and a horse like the Usual QT could have another big year in 2010.  Interestingly, geldings ran 1-2 in the Hollywood Derby(Battle of Hastings 2nd) and Unusual Heat Cal-breds ran 1-3(Acclamation), and horses exiting the Oak Tree Derby ran 1-2-3.

GunBow 30 Nov 2009 1:13 AM

Wow, another female racehorse wins one of the world's biggest races.  Ho-hum.  

Actaully, Vodka win seemed to strike the same chord in Japan that Zenyatta's win in the Classic and Rachel's win in the Woodward struck in the US.  As Steve Haskin noted, we've had Makybe Diva, Zarkava, Goldikova, Rachel, Z, Vodka, and Ventura win gr.1s over males all over the world(Australia, Europe, US, Japan, and Canada).

GunBow 30 Nov 2009 1:18 AM

While Buddy's Saint was visually impressive in the Remsen, the final time was only 1/5th faster than the Demoiselle and 2 seconds slower than Flashing's Gazelle.  This translated into an 80 Beyer for Buddy's Saint, which combined with the slow final fractions, tempers my enthusiasm.  As for Flashing, this dual grade 1 winner(Test + Gazelle) lost to Rachel by how much in the Mother Goose?  So much for any talk of Rachel's "weak" competition.  Both Rachel and Zenyatta faced the very best, and beat them each time(Zenyatta for her entire career, for Rachel starting in last year's Golden Rod).

Just as visually impressive to me as Buddy's Saint, and much more so according to times, was Super Saver in the Kentucky Jockey Club.  As should be expected, his time was almost 2 seconds faster than what the juvenile fillies posted in the Golden Rod.  The fact he was close to the pace but was able to re-kick in the stretch should make him a threat throughout the Derby prep season.

The Cigar Mle was certainly an exciting race.  Bribon, a horse I saw run poorly last out in the Woodbine Mile, ran back to his Met Mile win with a game 2nd.  Vineyard Haven was equally as game, and is proving himself one of the toughest frontrunners around.  However, it was Kodiak Kowboy getting up for the win, his 3rd gr.1 of the year.  The Eclipse Award for top sprinter is totally in the air with Kodiak, Zensational, Fabulous Strike, California Flag, and Dancing in Silks all contenders.  While valliant, I just wouldn't be able to vote(if I had one) for Fabulous Strike, given that he repeatedly came up just a little short in the big events.  This, even though he is the most consistent 6 furlong dirt horse of the bunch.

GunBow 30 Nov 2009 1:35 AM

"In the future I promise to be a little more careful throwing around my amazing talent and ability"-- Very funny, Dray, so funny.  Congrats on the Call on Blame, that was a lucky one! Blame did win the Clark!

Pasturelands 30 Nov 2009 3:44 AM

LDP,

Do you or anyone else have a link to Zenyatta being paraded. I wasn't home and didn't get to watch it. If anyone has a link to pictures or video of that could you please paste it or write it on here for me, You too Jason, if you have a link.   Thankyou

carolyn 30 Nov 2009 6:38 AM

LDP

Hey! Glad you had a good Thanksgiving. Mine was ok,thanks! Will be flying Tuesday to Calif. to visit my gf and going to spend a few days in Palm Springs. Did you like New Moon? BTW I also watched Zenyatta yesterday.

Mike Relva 30 Nov 2009 8:04 AM

Kudos to Draynay for his[i assume he' a he]] pick of Blame.Einstein put in a great finish.Buddy did look impressive, lets hope he improves next year when new 3 yr old Phenom Phantoms will make the scene.

The Phantom 30 Nov 2009 9:55 AM

I know who is best tuf horse in America-The Usual QT

Since he hot now-send to Dubai for the Easy money-most likely could have given Vodka arun for Japen cup

Conduit gave America a bad showing and he ran his best while running 4th

steve s 30 Nov 2009 12:51 PM

Soldier Course - I agree with you about the two year old preps.  Super Saver cut pretty impressive splits for a 2yo, and then was able to re-kick beautifully.  I thought they had him on the turn.  In the Remsen, it was almost as though the rest of the field was backing up, instead of Buddy's Saint accelerating.  Big strided horses can give that impression though sometimes even when it's not true!

Emily 30 Nov 2009 1:54 PM

nay nay,

So ya picked one winner. Big deal, he was the 2nd choice so i suppose that's an improvement for you who usually picks favorites. I see it was back to the same when VH got whipped. Another one of your can't miss picks misses. Keep tooting your own horn, it's the only way it's going to get blown.

Zenyatta HOY!!

gw_bushwacker 30 Nov 2009 2:56 PM

Steve S, I think Gio Ponti is the best turf horse in America -- at least up to 1 1/4.

I don't think Conduit can be considered an American horse.

Tiznowbaby 30 Nov 2009 3:49 PM

Third times a charm. I can't believe how long this is taking, lol. Here you are Carolyn, this is the ACTUAL parade.

www.youtube.com/watch

LDP 30 Nov 2009 5:28 PM

The next step for the Breeder's Cup to be the true World Thoroughbred Championships is to draw horses from Asia and Australia.  Of course, the Euros think racing starts and ends in Europe, and while we North Americans have expanded our knowledge to the Euro scene, most still pay relatively little attention to racing in Asia and Australia(us on this blog being an exception since we are true fans).  However, there can be little doubt after watching yesterday's Japan Cup, and the last 15 Japan Cups for that matter, that Japanese horses can compete anywhere in the world.  Conduit appeared absolutely sluggish facing a pace featuring multiple horses travelling at breakneck speeds.  I have absolutely no doubt that Vodka, with her great tactical speed and ability to carry it at least 12 furlongs,  could be an absolute superstar in the States.  And Oken Bruce Lee put in a final 2 furlongs at least in the ballpark with Zarkava and Zenyatta.

The problem for N.America and Europe in attracting Japanese horses is that outside of prestige and national pride, Japanese owners have little incentive to leave the Far East.  The purses in Japan and even Hong Kong for its big festivals are so good that most of the Japanese horses in yesterday's Japan Cup had made at least $4 million.

As a side note, look at the past performances of the Japan Cup and notice how many of the Japanese horses were aged 5 or older.  When purses from racing are at least close to breeding profits, owners keep their horses in training longer.  Figure that.

GunBow 30 Nov 2009 6:56 PM

Mike Relva.  Zenyatta's 4 1/2 length win on DIRT was only her fourth start, first grade 1, and came against the defending Eclipse award winning mare on a track OUTSIDE of CA.  This is what my Zenyatta sign I picked up yesterday at Hollywood Park says.  

I'm glad to see Bo was present in the Winner's Circle for the Usual QT. I think Take the Points has seen enough of California.  The crowd was none to pleased with Gov. Square Jaw.  

Kind of an emotional weekend for Zenyatta fans as well as Bobby Frankel fans.  

Householder 30 Nov 2009 7:17 PM

Thankyou, LDP.

 Enjoyed it so much.

carolyn 30 Nov 2009 8:04 PM

HOUSEHOLDER

Thanks! Wish I was there yesterday.

Mike Relva 30 Nov 2009 8:55 PM

The fastest turf horse is The Usual QT in America-Also most likely Pressios Passion is faster than Gio Ponti

steve s 01 Dec 2009 12:57 PM

The Usual QT.  Let's hear if for Cal Breds and geldings!  I think 2 Cal Breds won Breeder's Cup races as well.

I watched the TVG Zenyatta DVD.  I bet on Gio Ponte and Einstein, who appeared to be forwardly placed, and ran a very poor race during the BC after his Santa Anita Handicap score.  After his last effort over the weekend, I find this very difficult to understand.   His trainer really hasn't said much about his poor effort.  It obviously wasn't too serious.  

Householder 01 Dec 2009 2:51 PM

Zenyatta ran past Ginger Punch like she was a 62,500 claimer on dirt.  4 1/2 length victory...looked more like 5-1/2. But hey this is not the last 50 seconds of the USC-UCLA game.

Householder 01 Dec 2009 2:55 PM

LDP

Thanks for giving us the You Tube video, re: Zenyatta's day at Holly Park.  This is special to a lot of people.  I give you a Double Grade A and no homework for the rest of the week.  Have a fun day.

LAZMANNICK 01 Dec 2009 3:48 PM

Carolyn and Laz,

    No problem at all. Just because she is not my favorite does not me I don't like her, in fact I love her. If you want to watch the speeches and end of the parade go to Youtube and search for "Zenyatta Day". There are three parts and I think the one I put up was the second.

LDP 01 Dec 2009 4:21 PM

So what do we do with Ventura?  Informed Decision is 7 for 7 on the synthetics.  Do we hold this against her?

Householder 01 Dec 2009 7:36 PM

Jason, delete RuPaul's,Andy Dick's & Carmen Electra's # from your cellphone immediately.Just in case!  :(   remember,what u do in SoCal,stays in SoCal.....

Carlos in Cali 02 Dec 2009 5:58 PM


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