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Opening Weekend Picks From Del Mar, Saratoga

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Opening weekend at Saratoga and Del Mar. A great weekend card at Monmouth that includes Rachel Alexandra. And let's not forget about the Claiming Crown at Canterbury. This is the weekend we've been waiting for. Let's make some money.

Eddie Read Handicap

Only seven entered but four of them are group or grade I winners. All four of the G1 winners have questions marks, however. Victor's Cry stretches out to nine furlongs for the first time, Crowded House hasn't won since 2008, Acclamation tired badly last out in the United Nations, and The Usual Q. T. has lost two of three his last three since winning sixth straight. There are a lot of ways to go here.

The Usual Q. T. should be very tough and I have to lean toward him even though he will not be a very attractive price. He ran a very respectable fourth in the Dubai Duty Free in March and then returned impressively with an allowance win June 27 at Hollywood. It's very tough to win in your first start returning from Dubai, but the 4-year-old gelding was up to the task. Now he returns to Del Mar where he is 2-for-2 and he should get a nice stalking trip behind a pretty decent pace. He will be tough.

I'll use Loup Breton and Hyades with him. Loup Breton has not been quite as good as many thought he would be since coming over from Europe last fall. He just hasn't put it all together. But what he does like to do is hit the board, which he has done in four of five turf starts, including a win in the grade II San Marcos in January. He got going a bit too late in the Charles Whittingham last out in his first start under Bejarano. I think he will be a little closer to the pace on Saturday.

Hyades will not be near the front and will need a strong pace if he is to factor. But the Tapit colt seems to be getting better, as evidenced by his strong efforts in the Whittingham and American Handicap. He also likes to hit the board and will be a nice price.

Exacta box The Usual Q. T., Loup Breton, Hyades

San Clemente

Evening Jewel and Crisp each make their second starts on turf. Both grade I winners have finished ahead of each other once-Crisp winning the San Ysabel in January and Evening Jewel crushing her rival in the Kentucky Oaks when missing by a nose. One mile is probably not the best distance for either though, and so I'll try to beat both with It Tiz.

It Tiz is 2-for-2 since Mark Glatt switched her to turf in June, winning an optional claimer and a minor stakes-both at one mile. In fact, she is perfect in three tries at that distance, having won an allowance race on the Pro-Ride as a juvenile. David Flores stays aboard the filly, who should get a nice, stalking trip and be right in the mix at the end.

It Tiz across the board.

Coaching Club American Oaks

The top three from the Mother Goose return for this, but it is far from a three-horse race. The other five starters enter of wins, including Acting Happy and Seeking the Title who won graded events. Finger Lakes shipper Lisa's Booby Trap is also intriguing.

Devil May Care is a beast and won fairly easily in the Mother Goose in her first start after the Derby. She is going to be tough again, but might be the odds-on choice. Connie and Michael and especially Biofuel, who was closing strongly, need to improve turn the tables. Biofuel might have the best chance at doing that in her second start on dirt.

I'm going to go with a filly that might have the most upside and that is Acting Happy. Unraced as a 2YO, the Empire Maker filly has never been worse than runner-up in four starts, including her strong stakes debut May 14 when she won the G2 Black-Eyed Susan. Acting happy shows a strong work for Dutrow July 16 and keeps Lezcano. She has a similar stalking style to Devil May Care and I expect those two to have a showdown at the top of the lane. Is she good enough? We'll find out.

Exacta box Acting Happy, Biofuel, Devil May Care.

Sanford

The first major 2YO race of the meet drew a field of eight with just the one stakes winner, Lou Brissie, who was destroyed by Kantharos last out. Interestingly, Kantharos was not entered by Steve Asmussen, who will save him for the Saratoga Special and instead run another impressive maiden winner, Chipshop. By Peace Rules, Chipshot went wire-to-wire at Monmouth last out after having troubled trips in his first two starts. He should take a lot of money.

The morning-line choice is Bail Out the Cat, who broke his maiden at first asking June 10 under a hand ride on the Belmont mud. Richard Violette trains the son of Tale of the Cat.

I'll go with Commonwealth Rush, who also broke his maiden first out at Belmont on June 18. The Afleet Alex colt dueled the entire way around the track while racing along the rail. He put away his rival with a determined effort in the stretch and held off another strong closer. All this while running very fast splits. Now he draws the outside post and switches to Rajiv Maragh. If he can harness his speed a bit early, he should be right in the mix.

Lou Brissie will probably be coming late in a race that looks like it will have plenty of speed.

Lady's Secret

Good for Monmouth to get the Horse of the Year, but let's be honest, this is a weak spot for her. The track did a nice job of actually getting six horses to show up, but they are all severely overmatched. Only two of them are stakes winners and both of them accomplished that last year.

There is a lot of speed in the race, which could make things interesting for Rachel. Will she be forced to rate? She probably will, which shouldn't be a problem. I'm sorry, but I just can't get excited about this race. Unless you are there to see it live, you probably feel the same way.

Who do you like this weekend? Good luck!

Also, another reminder that I will be on vacation from Aug. 1-10. If you are interested in doing a guest blog please let me know. Thanks!

 

 

 

 

250 Comments:

I agree with you about Commonwealth Rush in the Sanford. I liked the way he dug in and fought hard in his maiden win. Not to mention Tim Ice trains him.

For the CCA Oaks I like Devil May Care. I liked her for the Derby (kind of anyway) and I still like her.

I'm not that excited about Rachel's race either. I'll watch, but I wish would face tougher then this, if she were to do that then we might get to see the Rachel of last year. In this spot there is no telling what kind of Rachel this is.

Sammi P. 23 Jul 2010 11:18 AM

I love your Commonwealth Rush pick in the Sanford.

2:24 23 Jul 2010 11:23 AM

Interesting picks, hmm I'll consider them, can always use the help.

But when did Monmouth move to Saratoga?

Kit J 23 Jul 2010 12:05 PM

I like that you won't even bet the Lady's Secret.  How many of the ladies on this board have a deep secret?  Please share what it is.  Ted from LA will be taking notes for his new book:  "HEY LADY!  WHAT'S YOUR SECRET?"  Thanks in advance for baring your souls.

Ted from LA 23 Jul 2010 12:10 PM

Interesting weekend!  I will start with Saratoga today, it is raining right now, but, it should clear out in about an hour(I hope).  

In the James Marvin, I want one of my favorites to do well, Friesan Fire, but, don't see this race suiting him at all.  Now that Cool Coal Man is scratched, I will use Vineyard Haven, Flat Bold, Half Metal Jacket for a tri/exacta box.  

In the Schuylerville, I love Stopspendingmarie and Le Mi Geaux now that Final Mesa is out.

In the American Oaks, Devil May Care will easily win and I will put in the feel good story longshot,  Lisa's Booby Trap!

Rachel should easily win by ten, but, if it comes up muddy and Rachel does run, I will go with Ask the Moon to pull off the shocker!

In the San Clemente, I will box Southern Fireball and Evening Jewel but hope Southern Fireball wins going away.

In the Eddie Read, I like your pick Jason of The Usual Q.T., Loup Breton, and Hyades.

Good Luck all...

Greg J. 23 Jul 2010 12:25 PM

Commonwealth Rush all the way. He has the splits of Afleet Alex and determination to bring it on home. By the way the splits are his father's "Kick-In Speed"

Fran Loszynski 23 Jul 2010 12:31 PM

... copious notes.

Ted from LA 23 Jul 2010 12:35 PM

The Rachel race is pathetic.  Basically a paid workout.

davec 23 Jul 2010 1:39 PM

I agree Jason,  This is no spot for a reigning HOTY.   This is the most saddest thing I have ever seen.

Is this the confidence they have in her?

I mean,  this does nothing at all for her previous star status.  This is insane.  Who can get excited over this race for her. I couldnt get excited over the FDL either, this is worse.  

sodapopkid 23 Jul 2010 2:15 PM

Jason, I forgot,  I am going with Devil May Care in the CCA Oaks.

Evening Jewel in the San Clemente.

Usual QT in the Eddie Read

I look for these to be winners.

Glad I don't bet, that way I aint losing anything.  Good luck to you all.

sodapopkid 23 Jul 2010 2:23 PM

Hi Jason;

I think that you are right about It Tiz in the San Clemente. She should be right there in the stretch. In the Eddie Read, I don't think that The Usual Q. T. will win. I like Victor's Cry, who should be able to stretch out to nine furlongs without a lot of trouble.

Rachel Alexandra should win the Lady's Secret easily.

 

-Keelerman 23 Jul 2010 2:25 PM

Dos Lunas in the Schuylerville today!

Loup Breton in Eddie Read

Eveneing Jewel in the Clemente. May be short price, but never been worse than 2nd in 9 races

In the Coaching Club, I am going with Devil May Care, and Connie and Michael.  DMC is a beast, and I think Connie and Michael will move forward off the 2nd place outing last race.

Lou Brissie in Sanford. Violette is loaded with 2yo, so he could easily win this with Bail out the cat, but not betting the MLF in a 2yo race. Anything can happen.

If Rachel does not win by 10 or more, I will be shocked.

Billy's Empire 23 Jul 2010 2:32 PM

Jason:

One thing I know about Loup Breton is that he doesn't have enough acceleration to be effective as a late runner, which was how he was ridden in his disappointing Whittingham effort.  His best chance is to lay mid-pack and hope the pace isn't so slow that it becomes a quarter mile dash to the wire.  If the pace is legit, which it should be with both Enriched and Acclamation, and Loup Breton is mid-pack, then he might be able to one-pace his way into contention, like he did in the Woodford Reserve.

I really thought the Whittingham would be Loup Breton's breakout race.  A big question is what will his odds be for the Read.  He's been heavily bet in his stateside races so far.  If everyone jumps off, then yes he might offer value and be worth a play.  But if folks are open to give him another shot, and his odds are low again, I'm done with him.

GunBow 23 Jul 2010 2:42 PM

Jason, in one of your previous blogs, Ted from LA offered to fill in for you by doing a blog on quilting. You should take him up on this for 2 reasons:

1. Just to read what he writes on...quilting.  Should be a hoot.

2. To see how long it takes before a quilting blog degenerates into a Rachel vs Zenyatta throw down.  (But RA did a Nine Patch, a Jacob's Ladder and a Log Cabin, all as a 3 year old!  Yeah and Zen has put together 17 quilts in a row! 17 quilts!  And RA has only been able to muster up a couple of Crazy Quilts this year!  Oh yeah? Zen has done nothing but Wedding Rings and continues to do Wedding Rings...)

merlinmerry 23 Jul 2010 2:51 PM

The Rock:

From the previous topic, I actually wrote that Sidney's Candy is a fast sprinter.  I just have serious doubts now whether he is even a 9 furlong horse and whether he is any better than he was in the Spring.  I agree, one race after a two month absence is not enough evidence to give up on Sidney.  I'm just thinking dirt sprints or mile turf races might be better future spots than the Travers or BC Classic.  In terms of Classic races, I think Twirling Candy might end up the bigger star, but he still has much to prove.

GunBow 23 Jul 2010 2:53 PM

Merlinmerry,

No way Ted from la, my male alter ego or so he tells me, could ever school me in quilting. Talk about a controversial blog! I have my own quilting frame, belong to a quilting group and collect antique quilts.

I refuse to listen to that amateur, get ready for some real trash talking! Remember I AM the QUILTING LEGEND!!!!

Ted, On the book? I don't want to spoil your pristine image of me. Leave them guessing, that's my motto!

Oh, and unless you're ready to look foolish stay away from the quilts!

Kit J 23 Jul 2010 3:43 PM

In the Ed Read i think Acclamation deserves a look. Throw out his last race. He might have another Whittingham performance, wire to wire style.

Theoden 23 Jul 2010 4:19 PM

Friesian Fire has run well in the mud.  VF and FF exacta.

Biofuel and Devil May Care exacta -- two really good ones.  (Can't root for Acting Happy after how owner Jay Em Ess treated Ron Ellis re: Rail Trip).

Two year olds:  love it!!  I agree with you:  Commonwealth Rush

skyfire 23 Jul 2010 4:28 PM

I am excited by Rachel's race - because I will be there.  Can't wait to see her in the flesh for the first time this year.  I agree that it's not much of a race for her but that fact just makes the worrisome "what if..." more scary.

Always loved Friesan Fire and wish him the best!

TerriV 23 Jul 2010 4:55 PM

Commonwealth Rush

Flat Bold

Biofuel

Rachel Alexandra by 15 lengths

The Usual QT

(weekend sureshots?)

Ranagulzion 23 Jul 2010 5:09 PM

Hyades in a wide move,

Crisp, its her turn although there's a great case to be made for It tiz as a proven turf girl but I still feel Evening Jewel can take it from both on a good day.

Devil may Care driving away,

Commonwealth rush with chipshot

Rachel of course, I hope only by 5 or 6 so she can come away stronger I still cannot figure out what the reigning horse of the year (slow start and all on the 4 year old year) is doing in this race??

Zen's Auntie 23 Jul 2010 5:56 PM

merlinmerry:

It's Rachel who's doing the Wedding Ring quilts!  She has a boyfriend, Zen doesn't!

I saw the touching story on TV about the Finger Lakes filly who's taking on the nation's top 3yo filly.  Hard not to root for her (unless you're a class handicapper, I guess).  The Lou Brissie story is a good one too, and without the Greek-named horse in the Sanford, he's my pick.  What's left?  Evening Jewel and The Usual Q.T.

Did I miss something?  A race at Monmouth featuring the reigning Horse of the Year?  She needs to give those six no-name fillies about a furlong head start.  Having said that, I hope we don't witness a monumental upset!  I mean, it could be the day that one of Rachel's competitors this year gets tired of being disparaged and runs out of her mind just to pove a point!

Pam S. 23 Jul 2010 6:05 PM

I figured it out.  They are aiming Rachel for the McCook, Nebraska County Fair in August.  Brilliant!  Nobody will see it coming.

The "ladies" of this blog apparently don't sing (or kiss and tell).  Ted from LA is disappointed.  I was going to write a Jason Vacation Blog on that topic.  It turns out I know less about quilting than women, so I need to consider a new topic.  Suggestions are welcome.  It's always been a goal in my life to pro-create, run a marathon, kiss the Blarney Stone, and write a Bloodhorse blog sometime between August 1-10, 2010.

Ted from LA 23 Jul 2010 7:26 PM

CCAO: i will give connie and michael one more shot but i dont like the mcpeek to shcettino move. and lisa's boobytrap ill root for too. do to the storyline and that she came from figer lakes.

Sanford: Another Silver Oak and commonwealth rush. i saw pletcher's horse win at delaware and he impressed me and tim ice's horse i got a feeling he'll run well

thomas 23 Jul 2010 8:20 PM

I completely disagree, the Lady's Secret has me very excited! True it's a weak spot but anytime she runs it's exciting!!

Brian Appleton 23 Jul 2010 11:48 PM

Oh no, Kit J - you have just opened up a can of worms!  And I mean REAL worms!  Word on the street says that he-who-shall-not-be-named (but his name begins with a D) has been visiting craft shops and perusing fabric squares!  This does not bode well for the honest quilter.

Ted from LA, you stated."It's always been a goal in my life to pro-create, run a marathon, kiss the Blarney Stone, and write a Bloodhorse blog sometime between August 1-10, 2010."

Do you hope to achieve all of your goals during that 10 day period? With stamina like that, you should be entered in graded stakes company.

merlinmerry 24 Jul 2010 2:07 AM

Pam S, I gave the Wedding Ring quilts to Zenyatta because I didn't want to associate her with the Crazy Quilts. I was afraid that the Zenyatics would hurt me.  (I figure that I can handle the RAites.)

merlinmerry 24 Jul 2010 2:14 AM

The Lady's Secret is no place for Rachel but I understand. The Personal Ensign is going to be her 1st time at 1 1/4 and they wanted that extra rest I don't blame them.

Draynay 24 Jul 2010 8:58 AM

Gunbow,

Agreed with your response except for any of those horses pointing for the BC Classic. Sidney's Candy due to distance limitations & Twirling Candy for experience. The latter has tons of upside, but he just won a minor stake and is way  behind the 8 ball for that. If he wins a race at 9f's that has BC Classic implications, then absolutely. But as of now, I'd lean towards the BC Mile (Turf) as long as he wins the Del Mar Derby.

TerriV,

What if? Every race is a "what if". The point of owning horses is to run them and not worry about "what if".

Weekend Picks -

Eddie Read - Love The Usual QT in here. Not much of a price. He's lost 2 of his last 3, but those losses were in Dubai, where he ran a hell of a race against the top 8-10f turf horses in the world while the other was on synthetic. I'll try to key him in an exacta but won't go heavy on the race.

San Clemente - I agree with Jason on It Tiz. This horse has looked spectacular since switching to the turf, especially last time out. I'm hoping for 5-1, but I think the word is out on her and she'll be closer to 3-1 to 7/2.

CCAO - Devil May Care & Connie & Michael i think will run 1-2 here. The latter was impressive in re-rallying last time as she looked done on the turn in the Goose. She's still lightly raced and can still show improvement. Biofuel hung last time out but she will be kept underneath in the exotics. Another race with no value unless you're betting Tri's & Supers.

Sanford - Didn't look at the pp's for this race but I will be staying away from Lou Brissie. Granted he ran into a buzz saw last time but he was struggling to save second and I feel he'll be overbet.

Lady's Secret - Jess Jackson is 2 for 3 in getting racetracks to put on an exhibition race for his star filly. Good for him. Not good for us.

Sacramento - (Mules) Sat Race 1 - The hottest mules in town open the card at Sacramento today. Only way to make money is to pounce on the super. 1-4-3-2. Bar JF Hot Ticket to tack on another win while little sister Bar JF Red Ticket rounds out the $1.60 exacta

The Rock 24 Jul 2010 11:22 AM

of course connie and michael gets an abcess

thomas 24 Jul 2010 12:19 PM

Draynay : What happened to your bashing of Zenyatta goin for easy races ??  Why all of a sudden it's okay for Rachel to run in a weak race to prepare her for a big race when you keep calling for Zenyatta to run in only male races on dirt.  Don't you think that's a little hypocritical ??  Shows how much credibility you have. LOL

jayjay 24 Jul 2010 1:55 PM

Rachel is going to Saratoga to run in the PE at 1 1/4 on Zenyatta's preferred surface and distance to take on any mare willing to show.  Guess where Zenyatta will be?  Hiding in California while Rachel whips up on anyone crazy enough to face her. 

Draynay 24 Jul 2010 2:13 PM

I think the pace in the Eddie Read should set things up nicely for the Usual QT.

The San Clemente looks like a showdown between Evening Jewel and Crisp but the other Sadler entry Switch could be a sleeper here if she takes a liking to turf.

Devil May Care is just too much for the competition but Biofuel should be able to get up for second.

The date and distance of the Lady Secret were altered to accomodate Rachel who has no competiton here. Anything less than a hand ridden romp by her will be a big surprise.

Giddyup 24 Jul 2010 2:26 PM

Yawn....wake me up after this weekend. Boycotting Monmouth this weekend, for wasting $250K that sould be better spent. While undermining what championship racing is all about.

Hope that Biofuel runs big.

RipVanWinkle 24 Jul 2010 2:32 PM

Dray,  Nothing with Jess Jackson is chissled in stone at this point.

He can go different ways.  He likes to make his own races and pick his own competition.

Its a shame he is the only one that HAS to do this, all the rest just enter their horses and face what is running against them.  Thats what real racing is suppose to be like.

sodapopkid 24 Jul 2010 2:32 PM

I really like The Usual QT.  I saw him win the Oak Tree Derby, Hollywood Derby(best field of 3 year old turfers last year), and Sir Beaufort at the end of last year.  If you exclude his synthetic debacle in the Sunshine Millions, he is extremely consistent.  His Dubai race was awesome, finishing ahead of Take the Points yet again(Hollywood Derby), and his allowance win signals there hasn't been a big Dubai bounce.

With that said, in terms of talent I don't think QT towers over this field.  On their best days, Acclamation, Enriched, Victor's Cry, and Loup Breton(Euro form) can beat QT.  I just have more confidence in QT running his top performance than these others.  I've liked Enriched for a while and think he is finally ready to be a major factor in a gr.1.

Good, competitive field.

Good luck to Rachel.  I think she wins by at least double figures.  Her final tightener before getting back to gr.1s

GunBow 24 Jul 2010 3:10 PM

merlin, The D word machine quilts. Not enough integrity, style, class or talent to hand quilt. Peasant!

Ted, sorry to burst your bubble. It would be too steamy for this blog.

If Rachel gets beat it won't be because her supposedly inferior allowance level competition had a miracle occur.

I really don't think ANYONE will be terrified of her or crazy to show up if SHE herself shows for the Personal Ensign. Steve Asmussen didn't sound too gungho about that race and I think there are some nice fillies and mares rounding into shape in the next couple of weeks.

I don't think we're hearing as much talk from horsemen etc about running for second in the bigger races against her. Of course she hasn't shown up for any of those yet and this is her 4th race already? Are they going to run her ragged just to try and reach some money won plateau?

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 3:50 PM

If Rachel loses the Lady's Secret, it will be rather frighting. That being said, the poor little mare can finally be carted off to Kentucky, where she seems to be telling you-know-who she wants to be, and has been all year. What's next, Wednesday night racing in a $5000 claimer? Just retire the horse before it looks like they gave HOTY to a claimer. And Zenyatta will be laughing...

I of course am picking Devil May Care in the CCAO... she's a good, very very good, filly. It would be fun to see her take on Blind Luck sometime soon, as they seem to be the best three-year-old fillies out there at the time... but what do I know...

dustywhipp 24 Jul 2010 4:25 PM

uuuuummmmmmmmm.... steamy..........

Dray, what's the bet?  $2 across-the-board on Rachel?

Ted from LA 24 Jul 2010 4:39 PM

Devil May Care is way too much for this field, I wish Lisa's Booby Trap wasn't scratched, but I will go with Bahama Bound and Absinthe Minded to finish ahead of Biofuel and Acting Happy, Why not...

Greg J. 24 Jul 2010 5:14 PM

How 2 year old racing has changed

in the state of New York.I can remember when you used to have Stakes races at Belmont Park,now you don,t have any 2 year old racing other than for maidens before the Saratoga meet starts.

 Crowded House will be an outsider

at Del Mar to-day but he has some good back class and it will be interesting to see how he takes to California racing.

John T 24 Jul 2010 5:49 PM

Best bet of the year.......not exactly the fifteen lengths that Ranagulzion predicted but workwomanlike.  GOOD FOR RACHEL.

LAZMANNICK 24 Jul 2010 6:05 PM

I can say I really liked Queen Marthas game effort staying withing 4 Lengths of Rachel - who got just the trip and work out I had hoped she would - whew - thats a load off... Devil May Care Looked SHARP I like her a lot and cant wait to see her face Blind Luck.

Dusty, if they ever run RA as a claimer I will mortgage the ranch to put in for her... I bet I'd not be the only one.

Zen's Auntie 24 Jul 2010 6:24 PM

the wet opening to spa is a good omen for a little mud loving long shot and a bad omen for a huge mud hating favorite =P

dear god of small miracles, please let there be mud for the whitney ;)

papillon 24 Jul 2010 6:26 PM

Rachel did better in the FDL.

sodapopkid 24 Jul 2010 6:28 PM

Obviously Devil May Care had too much class for the CCAO field,she'll whup Blind Luck in the Alabama then take the BC Ladies Classic in route to Champion 3yo filly honors.

RA better stick to facing Gr.III/allowance type opponents...

Carlos in Cali 24 Jul 2010 6:34 PM

I think the next great match-up will be Devil May Care and Blind Luck in the Alabama. Should be an exciting race with Devil May Care accelerating in the stretch and Blind Luck closing like her tail is on fire!

CV 24 Jul 2010 6:56 PM

I don't care who was running today. Racing should have been cancelled at Monmouth due to the horrible weather. If a couple of horse had died due to heat prostration, the animal rights people would have been up in arms.

All the horses looked terrible after they raced.

AnneM 24 Jul 2010 6:56 PM

Wow, Rachel had to work to beat that field of allowance horses... One was game, the others looked about where they should be... at least maybe the "HOTY" will go back to running in a graded stakes... sigh.

dustywhipp 24 Jul 2010 7:31 PM

 Congrats to RA!Now it's time to face Zenyata !! Congrats to Devil May Care also ! I know she would have gotten the 1 1/4 mile CCA Oaks ! Now it's the 1 1/8 th mile CCA  Oaks ! ! I am Furious !! !!! The CCA Oaks is a part of the filly Triple Tiara won by many great fillies ! Watch out ! The Triple Crown Races could be next !! Thank God in 50 yrs ,I'll be gone , and won't have to see the day that most race cards for Thoroughbreds look like a night at Los Alamitos !

Pedigree Shelly 24 Jul 2010 7:35 PM

I guess I should be happy that Rachel won, but it's making me kind of sad to see them, well I won't say the exact thing but lets say selling her out?

She's obviously not the same as she was last year and she doesn't act like she's enjoying herself.

A tiny paragraph in the paper nothing on regular television.

The other mare ran her little heart out but someone said these horses were eligible for non winners of 2 Allow?

Devil May Care, much the best of the two right now and time is running out in getting her back isn't it?

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 7:53 PM

Those already crowning Devil May Care as 3 year old filly, seem to have forgotten Blind Luck. The Alabama will be very close but I know whose nose I will be betting on.

AnneM 24 Jul 2010 7:54 PM

Pedigree Shelly, I am in total agreement with you about the change in the distance of the Coaching Club American Oaks. Who made that decision? The same person that cut back the distance of the Suburban to a mile and an eighth?  What's next?  The Kentucky Derby?

Between Friends 24 Jul 2010 8:05 PM

Shelly, it was moved from Belmont.

The Triple Tiara has been revamped in very recent history I believe and I understand that some want it to be the Ky Oaks, Black Eyed Susan and Acorn, I thought I read that once. New York racing is in deep doo doo as we all know.

They've moved other races from Belmont, most notably the Woodward and this year the Ruffian as well. Saratoga seems to be the only viable NY track now and that's because it's a short meet (well longer this year). Be happy they're still running them and I don't know if you've been to Saratoga or not but it's ridiculous to compare it in any way shape or form to Los Al or to the quality of Thoroughbred horses they run.

The NJ tracks will probably be sold?

California is in trouble and so are the Kentucky tracks. Oaklawn is still doing well and say what you will but the slots have helped a lot.

I think there will be very few tracks and racing will be either low level claimers or the most elite and wealthiest of the wealthy only.

In 50 years I'll be so old I won't even know what racing is, but I plan to shoot for the worlds oldest living racing fan! (not to mention human)

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 8:07 PM

I know a win is a win, but I wasn't too impressed by Rachel today. Rounding the far turn, it looked like she was going to blow by Queen Martha. Last year, no horse would've gone with her once that move was made. The next time she runs in a race where they don't scrap for allowance horses at the last minute and faces quality G1 competition, I'll be betting against on the win end

The Rock 24 Jul 2010 8:11 PM

Jason, I so enjoy your updates and articles after big races. My question if you don't mind me asking: You aren't in Saratoga are you? Do you get to go to the simulcasts to watch or do you watch on one of the racing channels?

Feel free to ignore me, but I'm just curious.

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 8:18 PM

Zen's Auntie: Hahaha yup. I'm just saying they should send her off to Kentucky before she ( god forbid ) slips that far down the latter. BUT: It's $2500 more dollars to add to her record, so WHY NOT?!

It's time to face the G1's again, win or lose.

dustywhipp 24 Jul 2010 8:41 PM

Kit: I do write most of the race recaps from the office while watching on TV, except for Keeneland when Im there live.

I really had little interest in the Lady's Secret today. There was no way that filly belonged in that race. None. I dont care what the rest of her campaign looks like, it has been a major, major disappointment.

Jason Shandler 24 Jul 2010 9:16 PM

The Usual QT shows up again. Best miler in California. Nice turn of foot to get away from Victor's Cry as that one got a nice run down at the rail while Victor went 4 deep. I think this guy will give Goldikova all she can handle in the BC Mile. Don't get it twisted though, she's still the Queen of the Heap.

The Rock 24 Jul 2010 9:17 PM

I guess a win is a win, not sure how that race prepared her for the PE.  She's had 6 weeks rest for this race, and she'll have 5 weeks to PE at a longer distance.  She had a much easier race in the FDL (G2) than this race.  I seriously doubt that Asmussen would put her in the Woodward after today's race but we probably won't hear from Asmussen again for the next 4 weeks, the gag order will probably be in place.  I heard on TVG that it was 95 degrees at Monmouth and that would've been very taxing to any horse.  Rachel didn't look like the same explosive Rachel we saw in FDL, I'm quite sure the heat had something to do with it.  I didn't think she was going to win by 10 lengths coming around the final turn the way Borel was working her.

I agree with the comments about CCAO, this race used to be one of the major races for 3 yr old fillies, now they seem to have downgraded it as a prep for the Alabama.  I believe this is all because of what's going to happen to Belmont, the talks of it closing down because of lack of money but if they had to move the races, why do they have to change them ?

If no rabbit goes with DMC in the Alabama, Blind Luck will have to be much closer to the pace, there's no way she'll be able to catch DMC coming from the clouds.  DMC looked really really good.

jayjay 24 Jul 2010 9:25 PM

Jason,  I agree with you on RA.

Jason, where do you guess Jess will go from here with her?  In your words, where would you go from here?

sodapopkid 24 Jul 2010 9:32 PM

Kit J - I should have clarified myself ! I meant the distance of the races that are run at LA ! not the quality ! Sorry ! By the way there is nothing wrong with Quarters ! Didn't mean to offend anyone :)

Between Freinds - Thanks for your comment !

Pedigre Shelly 24 Jul 2010 9:37 PM

Jayjay,

I agree that DMC will get first run on Blind Luck fast pace or not, but Blind Luck fires all the time. I believe most of her losses can be banked on Bejerano's overconfidence. I don't get the rabbit deal to soften up DMC. She comes off the pace as well.

Hey Dray. You got competition. I gave out a $4.20 super on the mules at Sacramento today. Try and top that! lol

The Rock 24 Jul 2010 9:42 PM

I hope that makes it a bit easier to analyze it that way. Tough to get a story out so quickly especially from a hectic race track.

I agree. I watched it while doing something else. I don't think anyone outside of NJ had much interest, well the diehard Rachel fans.

I first became a fan when she was a two year old and I first saw her, then as a three year old when she was trained by Mr. Wiggins.

Try as I might I just am disappointed in her handlers.

I think she's been terribly mismanaged and I really fear they're damaging her legacy. Poor thing. The other horses in that race were running for a chance at money only. I guess her owner thinks there are quite a few who could beat her right now? I don't know, but she's quickly becoming a footnote. Definitely not an interesting race and not even as exciting as the claiming crown races, in my opinion.

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 9:44 PM

jayjay, I heard it was 83 and going up, with 70% humidity at Saratoga. What will happen if Rachel goes in that weather? I really don't think she'll be going there except to take up a stall and work in the cool mornings.

Kit J 24 Jul 2010 9:48 PM

Soda: They will probably go to the Personal Ensign on Aug. 29 and then have one race at Belmont before the BC. Im still not convinced they will send her to the Classic. Ladies Classic is a good possibility. They want no part of QR and Blame at 10 furlongs, I dont think.

Jason Shandler 24 Jul 2010 9:58 PM

Besides Rachel, it seems the biggest news out of Monmouth was the extreme heat and humidity.  I'm guessing they would have canceled like some other Mid-Atlantic tracks did, if the superstar hadn't been appearing today. I noticed not too many showed up to cheer her on.

So, maybe because of the heat, Rachel just didn't seem to have much spark today.  I don't expect her to have Zenyatta's personality and showmanship, but she just seemed ... boring, so unlike when she won the Haskell last year.  But she did get the win over her one game opponent, and for that I salute her.  

Rachel's final quarter was slow (again maybe because the heat was so draining), but taken on its own, it does not signal that she is ready to face top colts.  I'm not even sure about top females right now, especially at the PE distance.  It'll be interesting to hear what's next for her.  I do hope she came out of the race well and that we see her again soon, somewhere.

DMC vs Blind Luck in the Alabama might be the race of the meeting, rather than the Travers!  (Oh no, I forgot, it'll be the Whitney.)  I don't think the Alabama distance will favor DMC, based on the KY Derby.  She seemed to run well for 9f and then stop.  But maybe she's better now.

Girls STILL rule.  

Promoting sisterhood across the species,

Pam

Pam S. 24 Jul 2010 10:18 PM

The most impressive performance this weekend was Harbinger in the King George. Keeps stepping up his game.  And Peslier in a big money race always helps.

Footlick 24 Jul 2010 10:44 PM

The way things looked today, I don't think RA would want any part of Devil May Care in Ladies Classic.

skyfire 24 Jul 2010 10:54 PM

I want to say something positive on Rachel's race, but it just wasn't sharp and focused.  I mean she won, but there was no separation.  And with that field there should have been separation, lots of separation.  She seems focused in her works, but unfocused in a race.  I think it's been mentioned before but does anybody think blinkers would help?

Footlick 24 Jul 2010 11:06 PM

That Eddie Read trifecta paid $44.40.

I didn't post my Read picks under this topic because I had already done so under the Gio Ponti Male Grass topic.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm no star handicapper, but I was very confident about The Usual QT-Victor's Cry-Enriched tri.  Everytime I played the race out in my head it unfolded the same way, and this time I just happened to be correct. I'm sure others have had the same experience, when you just see the race so clearly beforehand.  However, for a second I thought Crowded House had given me a brutal beat.  It was a useful stateside debut for Crowded House.

In answer to the last topic, yes California does now have a legit contender for the male turf Eclipse.  The Read was only QT's first stakes win of the year, but he had won 3 graded stakes last year including the gr.1 Hollywood Derby.  The Read now gives QT 2 career gr.1 wins.  Unfortunately for him, there's no Breeder's Cup race at his best distances, 9-10 furlongs.  That said, he is a very good miler.

Rachel won, and I am happy for her.  The margin of victory and time were not impressive, but that Monmouth surface appeared deep and cuppy and produced slow times all day.  Could it be for the 3rd time this year a horse runs her career best race against Rachel?  Like Zardana and Unrivaled Belle, Queen Martha produced a career best vs. Rachel today, finishing well ahead of the rest of the field.  

So, it wasn't a bad performance by Rachel, but it clearly wasn't the Rachel we saw last year or even in the Fleur de Lis.  Unless all the Whitney horses skip the Woodward, I can't see Rachel going there.

Blind luck vs. Devil May Care in the Alabama.  Can't wait either.

GunBow 24 Jul 2010 11:36 PM

       I think a horse like Devil May Care or Life At Ten would realy give RA a run for her money ! Speaking of the Malibu Moon filies , It really is interesting to note that Malibu Moon started out in Maryland for a $3,500 stud fee and now he's up to $40,000  !!!

Pedigree Shelly 25 Jul 2010 12:39 AM

The one thing I noticed with Rachel today is that she still has that habit of turning her head on the home stretch, not sure if that's what they were trying to fix with the 8 or not.  I don't know enough about these equipment though.  The head turn almost cost them a disqualification if she had hit QM because QM was still running at that point.

The Rock : Don't get me wrong, I'm going to be betting Blind Luck in the Alabama, DMC looked really good today but BL is something else.  I agree with you that the loses can be attributed to Bejarano's rides, he's a great jockey and he'll know what to do in a race with a horse like DMC in it.  I still think she'll be much closer, I just hope Bejarano doesn't use her up trying to get close to the pace or the Dorfer will probably pop him in the noggin.

Just a note on St. Trinians being pulled out of the Hirsch.  Trainer Mitchell said if he has to blame the soreness and stiffness, it'd be from taking on Zenyatta.  Trainers don't normally mention other horses when talking about these things but he's honest enough that he said it without even thinking about it.  It just goes to show you the way Team Zen manages her, it's always about the horse first.  Zen seems to be doing great after that race whereas her best opponent comes up sore and stiff.  I feel bad for St. T, I really think Zenyatta would be in tough going against her at a shorter distance, but I'm glad that Zen doesn't have to face her again this year.  I want Zen to have easy races coming up to the Classic.  The easiest G1s that is, she'll need her best in the Classic.

jayjay 25 Jul 2010 12:47 AM

LIKE A LOT OF HUMAN$...A LOTTA HORSE$ HATE THE HEAT & RA IS ONE OF EM...PLEASE...WE WOULD NEVER RUN ONE N THAT KIND OF HEAT...PERIOD..."AIN'T NOE GLOBAL WARM N"...BS...LONG LIVE THE KING BABY!!!...TY...

Bellwether 25 Jul 2010 6:19 AM

What's going on here?

Yesterday, Rachel Alexandra, a 4yo carrying 123 pounds, was assigned a Beyer Speed Figure of 110 while running 2.98 seconds off the track record. The second place finisher got a Figure of 105.

Devil May Care, a 3yo carrying 121 pounds, finished 2.78 seconds off the track record but does not appear on the list of Best Beyers, indicating she was assigned a figure below 100. In fact, the highest figure  assigned to Devil May Care  in 2010 is 100.

What's this?

JerseyBoy 25 Jul 2010 9:07 AM

Very impressive turn of foot by QT.  For a moment, I thought he was going to make the "Toro on the Turf" mistake in swinging wide after being shut off on the rail, but, he exploded when straightened.  Toro gained his fame by going to the rail at HP and SA.  When, he tried that tactic on the bull ringesque tight turned DM course, he would get cut off and have to swing wide and just miss.

Anyone who questions the track of Los Al, forgets that Pincay said it was his favorite track and I, once, saw Lovelier Linda explode on a rail trip and run 1:21 flat. Some very fine THs used to run at LA, when, they ran the phony Orange County meet.  Once, they ran this heads up against Oak Tree.  Kind of fun spending the afternoon at SA and then, heading down the freeway for a great night meet.  Lava Man's dam sire, Nostalgia Star, broke his maiden there in a $25,000 added.

Any insight to the mules running at Ferndale?

berttheclock 25 Jul 2010 9:56 AM

Footlick, I wholeheartedly agree with your 10:44 PM post.  Harbinger's win blew me away, and what a gorgeous colt he is!  A new COURSE record and a hand-ride throughout. Here's the YT long version for those who haven't seen it yet:

www.youtube.com/watch

sherpa 25 Jul 2010 10:24 AM

sherpa,

Thank you for the link to Harbinger's fantastic win in the King George. What a horse!

I loved the slow motion segment towards the end of the video, from an angle we don't often get to see. He is indeed very beautiful and he can run a little bit, can't he?  :)

Zoookeeper 25 Jul 2010 11:44 AM

Once AGAIN I gave you a winner.  Rachel won running a fantastic 110 Beyer against a very fast Queen Martha.  You people claim Rachel was running against nothing yet a horse jumps up and runs a 105 and still gets beat by 3?  GunBow, you are wrong about Rachel and you're starting to lose cred points.  Rachel is now heading for the Personal Ensign and Life At Ten will be there to get whipped but where will Zenyatta be?  Isn't her preferred distance and track?  No on filly or mare wants to face Rachel now and I don't blame him for running Zenyatta on a track so dangerous they had to call off racing.  It makes perfect sense Mr. Moss run her on a dangerous track she doesn't like and avoid Rachel and Life At Ten.  After Rachel wins at 1 1/4 can we finally put to rest she can't go the distance?  Or does she now have to go 2 miles?  See you at the Personal Ensign with Rachel in the winners circle.

Draynay 25 Jul 2010 11:59 AM

Yes, Rachel received a 110 Beyer for the Lady's Secret.  As I wrote earlier, Monmouth was producing very slow times, although there were not many distance races with which to compare the time of the Lady's Secret.

I can't remember a horse in which the visual impressions are at such odds with the Beyers as with Rachel.  The visual impressions most have had watching Rachel's 4 races this year is that she just isn't as good as she was last year; she's not quite as explosive, hasn't settled as well in some races, and has displayed certain "antics" in the stretch.  And it would appear Jess Jackson agrees with this assessment given his surprisingly conservative campaign.

However, according to the Beyers Rachel is basically back to her 09' form.  Her Beyers have shown steady improvement, from 100 up to 109 in the Fleur de Lis and 110 for yesterday.  However, with the exception of the FdL, these performances are not resulting in the runaway victories of last year simply because the competition she has been facing this year has been much faster.  The story the Beyers tell is that Rachel is running very fast, but she has been meeting other females running fast as well.

The story told by the Beyers is straightforward.  I think the problem most people have with it, including myself, is that Rachel has been meeting fast opponents even though none of the races have been a gr.1 and even though these opponents did not appear particularly fast ex ante.  

Zardana had proven herself a solid mare going into the New Orleans Ladies, winning the gr.2 Bayakoa a few months prior.  However, her Beyer in winning the NO Ladies was about 3 lengths faster than what she typically ran.  The story the Beyers told was that Zardana jumped up and ran a career best performance, and it was only because she ran this career best that she was able to defeat Rachel.  At face value this is not so hard to believe, although Zardana has not approached her NO Ladies Beyer in her subsequent two starts.

After having been defeated by a horse that "freaked" in New Orleans, Rachel looked all set to take a big step forward in the La Troienne.  And even though Rachel did improve a few lengths, it once again wasn't good enough to win.  Unrivaled Belle had demonstrated good talent going into the La Troienne, but like Zardana she just happened to run a career best meeting Rachel.  The 103 of the La Troienne indicated Rachel wasn't at her 09' form, but it suggested she wasn't that far off it; she just happened to have the bad luck of meeting two mares running the best races of their lives.

In the Fleur de Lis, Rachel again met a field that did not appear particularly strong ex ante.  However, unlike the NO Ladies and LT, none of the FdL opponents jumped up and ran a career best.  The result was that Rachel romped and earned a 109 Beyer, the same figure she ran in the Woodward.

The Lady's Secret field appeared to be even weaker than the FdL.  Had someone told me that Rachel would run a 110 Beyer in the LS, I would have said she would win by 12.  Yet, like her first two races this year, Rachel just happened to meet a horse in Queen Martha that was sitting on the performance of a lifetime.  According to the Beyers, Rachel only won the Lady's Secret by 3 because Queen Martha ran a 105 Beyer herself, a performance that would have won just about any other race for females this year.

The story being told by the Beyers, that Rachel is still running very fast but has just happened to meet horses running "freak" performances is certainly plausible.  Isn't it a common adage in sports that the champion typically elicits the best from an opponent?  Of course, I'm not sure that psycology can be applied to horses.  However, for whatever reason, the Beyers indicate that Rachel has indeed drawn the best from her opponents this year, producing the divergence between Beyers and visual impressions.  It really is fascinating.  

GunBow 25 Jul 2010 12:07 PM

Jersey Boy,

From what I've been told, the difference in the tracks allowed for the number difference in the beyers. Monomouth was abnormally slow and Saratoga was playing fast. I'll go and check the times myself later, but this friend of mine normally doesn't lie and is normally fairly objective.

LDP 25 Jul 2010 12:12 PM

After winning the Eddie Read yesterday, The Usual QT is now 8 for 10 on turf in his career.  After losing his first turf start by a neck, QT rattled off 6 straight wins, all on turf, including 4 stakes and a gr.1.  He then ran poorly on synthetic before checking in a credible 4th in the $5 million Dubai Duty Free.  Since, he has added an allowance score and the Read to his turf record.  Thus, in his last 9 turf starts QT has won 8 times, and that 4th in Dubai would have been good enough to win just about any turf race in the US.  This is a serious turf horse.  

Cassidy is now targeting the Arlington Million, which at 10 furlongs is right in his wheelhouse.  The only question about QT is running over an "off" turf course; Cassidy has indicated he would not ship to Arlington if the weather calls for rain.  

Tough news about St. Trinians.  However, with her akward action, it isn't totally surprising.

GunBow 25 Jul 2010 12:17 PM

Jerseyboy let me give you a little lesson.  Take a look at the 3rd race yesterday at Saratoga.  Take notice of the splits run by a bunch of maidens and compare it to the splits with Devil May Care and THEN you will see why she only got a 100 Beyer.  If you require other lessons let me know I will be providing them soon for the world at draynay.com

Draynay 25 Jul 2010 12:18 PM

Devil May Care looked awesome. Rachel still doesn't look as good as she did in her Kentucky Oaks and Preakness wins. She would be run into the ground by Quality Road so The Classic doesn't seem to be a good option. This year she needs to stick to the ladies, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Jul 2010 12:47 PM

Sherpa/Footlick,

Just saw the video of the King George. Wowwwwww!!!!! What a run by Harbinger. And his gallop out was sensational. Didn't look like he took a deep breath at all. Its an awesome moment when you see the rest of the riders scrubbing on their horses while Olivier was still as a statue. Huge huge favorite for the Arc in October. Would love to see this guy at Churchill for the BC

The Rock 25 Jul 2010 12:48 PM

JerseyBoy

I totally agree with you.  Beyers are beginning to be a joke.  Yesterday at Monmouth, Island Time runs 1-70 Yards in 1.40.03, 1.04 seconds over the track record.  For this she did not receive a Beyer that cracked the top route Beyers on dirt so far this year (the list starts at 104 and goes up to Quality Road’s 121).  Rachel takes her little stroll yesterday in a race that didn’t impress anyone with the possible exception of Asmussen (surprise! surprise!), finishes 2.98 seconds off the track record and suddenly is rewarded with a 110 Beyer, the fourth best for a route race on dirt this year.  I’m not begrudging Rachel her Beyer, BUT THIS IS A JOKE and appears totally orchestrated to me.  The second place Queen Martha runs 3 lengths slower and receives a 105 (tied for 16th best route Beyer on dirt this year. And she didn’t even break 1.50 for the 1 1/8th M.  NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT QUEEN MARTHA’S RACE YESTERDAY SHOULD BE RANK TIED FOR 16TH AS THE BEST ROUTE RACE ON DIRT THIS YEAR JUST LIKE NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT RACHEL’S RACE WAS THE FOURTH BEST ON DIRT).    I know Monmouth was off yesterday when comparing final times to track records, but what about Island Times?  She ran a better race than both Rachel and Queen Martha and receives absolutely no recognition.

Also, yesterday at Monmouth Unbridled’s Ghost broke the track record for 5 1/2F on turf (1.02.06 to 1.02.49) and Perfect Casting approached the old track record for 1-mile on turf (1.32.78 to 1.32.42).  Their Beyers apparently aren’t even good enough to crack the DRF’s list which starts at 101.

According to Andy Beyer, Beyer ratings can be manually adjusted up or down depending on certain EXTRAORDINARY circumstances.  Obviously Rachel’s Beyer was adjusted and according to his procedure for determining Beyers he had no choice than to adjust Queen Martha’s Beyer, which, according to his manual, had to be 5 points less than Rachel’s at whatever rating Rachel was assigned.  STILL, THIS BEGS THE QUESTION: what about Island Times?

LAZMANNICK 25 Jul 2010 1:45 PM

I just read on another site that the Beyer for Rachel has been adjusted downward to 105.  I am far from a Beyer expert, but that 110 did seem outrageous based on visuals.  

Gunbow, you're right that RA is  performing well enough but keeps running into fillies who turn in lifetime-best races.  Remember how that happened to her sire MDO too?  Candy Ride, Pleasantly Perfect, and most stunningly Volponi, all turned winning performances by MDO into 2nd-place finishes.  The difference between father and daughter is that Dad ran into the buzzsaws in huge G1 races, while Rachel, oddly, keeps finding them in "lesser" events.  Funny about the apple and the tree, though, huh?

Pam S. 25 Jul 2010 2:04 PM

My Mistake...........

I guess everyone can call me EGG ON MY FACE LAZZMAN.  After all this harping about Island Times then I discover that her race was on TURF.  My Mistake…..At least I own up to them.

I support GunBow’s theory that the track might have been cuppy.  I disagreed at first because of Island Time (my mistake again) and the fact that most of the races on dirt yesterday were MSW, claimers and N1X allowance, so the quality was not exceptional and could account for the slow races compared to the track records.  However, now that I look at Rachel’s time and how it was much better (compared to the track records and 3 year best times) the more I am impressed with her race.  However, as Dr Drunkinbum stated, how would she have competed turning for home with Quality Road or another high quality horse (even Life at Ten)?  In her next start she is clearly going to have to take on tougher competition.

LAZMANNICK 25 Jul 2010 2:11 PM

I read that RA will stay at Saratoga for her next start.  I thought, Well, good that may mean they are serious about the PE, at 10F,  Until I read Steve A. comments and when I went  searching for the races graded and ungraded that could be possibities, I saw a few that they could go with instead of the PE.

They certainly have more than one option at Saratoga next month.

sodapopkid 25 Jul 2010 2:14 PM

All bow before me.  I am the handicapping king.  Let me give you all a lesson.  I gave you THREE winning bets earlier in this blog.  I hope you all got to the window.  If you require other lessons let me know I will be providing them soon for the world at tedfromla.com  

Ted from LA 25 Jul 2010 2:14 PM

Well Draynay, when I was a boy one of the lessons my headmaster taught me was this: you do not have to respond every time a jackass brays. But this time I will.

First, regarding your offer to give me lessons. I should let you know that I already have 2 degrees.

Second, you need to learn to read. If you knew how to read you would have noticed I never said Devil May Care was assigned a Beyer figure of 100 for yesterday's race.

Third, the issue is not the Beyer figure assigned to Devil May care, but the figure assigned to Rachel Alexandra and the runner up compared to the figure assigned to Devil May Care, whatever that figure is.

Finally, when you learn to read look at the splits of the  dirt race that preceded Rachael Alexandra's race.

JerseyBoy 25 Jul 2010 2:21 PM

JerseyBoy, Rachel ran the mile over 10 lengths faster than the allowance race before her what don't you understand?

And they were only going 1 1/16th Geez.  Rachel is off to run 1 1/4 everyone has been waiting to see.  I can't wait.  When she whips Life At Ten and Zenyatta in the Personal Ensign what will you all say ???

Draynay 25 Jul 2010 2:46 PM

Like it or not Sodapop Rachel is going to the Personal Ensign.  Tell that horse hiding in California to show up. I can't wait to see Quality Road tear it up in the Whitney !

Draynay 25 Jul 2010 2:54 PM

Has anyone seen a Beyer for Usual QT's Eddie Read?  

sherpa 25 Jul 2010 2:58 PM

I understand Beyer speed figures are a subjective formula. Yet sometimes, they seem a bit obtuse in how they're bestowed on horses.

Devil May Care wins the 1 1/8-mile (dirt) CCAO in 1:49.42 and earns a Beyer of 96.

Rachel Alexandra runs the 1 1/8-mile (dirt) Lady's Secret in 1:49.78 and earns a (preliminary) 110 Beyer.

EDIT: I just read it was adjusted to 105, which sounds a little more sane).

The Usual Q.T. runs the  1 1/8-mile (turf) Eddie Read in 1:47.28 and earns a Beyer of ???.

Question: should his Beyer be more than 105 because he ran more than 2 seconds faster than either DMC or Rachel?

CV 25 Jul 2010 3:13 PM

Anyone who's a fan of Rachel better hope Zenyatta doesn't come to Saratoga or Rachel will be left hurting worse than St Trinians.

cheyenne 25 Jul 2010 3:41 PM

LOL JerseyBoy.  I think Draynay just got spanked.

Draynay : You can glorify this race all you want, the fact is, Rachel should've beaten that field by at least 10 lengths.  Are you seriously saying that she can handle 1 1/4 after that run ?  I'll bet Jason's next paycheck that if Zenyatta elects to run in the PE, Rachel would be pointed to the Molly.

You can forget about HOTY for Rachel Draynay, that's going to either QR or Blame, whoever places higher in the Classic behind Zenyatta.

Also, when did you start hating on Zenyatta, I've seen your blogs from last year claiming to be a fan of Zenyatta and are happy for the Mosses.  This was around August 2009.  Was it when she proved you wrong in the Classic ?

jayjay 25 Jul 2010 3:43 PM

Even a 105 Beyer is a gift

Footlick 25 Jul 2010 3:46 PM

Wow... I just found a Two-year-old I like VERY much... Dreamsrunwild just won the 4th at Louisiana... broke on top, stumbled, came right back, led till the top of the stretch, was overtaken for second, and came back and won it by almost a length... I like him very much.

Anyone have any more info?? Was it his first race? I looked him up but didn't find much info.

dustywhipp 25 Jul 2010 4:16 PM

Lazmannick

  The addendum is that it was so hot that I'm not sure what we discovered with Rachel, but if they don't step up the competition they could enter The Classic without really knowing and embarrass themselves.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Jul 2010 4:57 PM

viva la PANAMA! Hey maybe we should send more colts from Keenland to Panama.  

Golden Mocha looked Muy Caliente in the Prince of Wales. what a coup

Zen's Auntie 25 Jul 2010 5:17 PM

SPK : They only have 3 choices for her next race :

Personal Ensign

Molly Pitcher

Woodward

I'm pretty sure Woodward is out right now, I don't know if they're crazy enough to try males at this point and this close to the Classic.  I also notice that Asmussen hinted that PE will determine whether they will go to the Classic or not.  So there's a chance she might go to the Ladies Classic.  The question is, who would she rather face :

Ladies Classic : Blind Luck, Devil May Care and Life At Ten, Unrivalled Belle, Zardana

BC Classic : Quality Road, Blame, Rail Trip, Zenyatta

I also believe that some or all of these colts First Dude, Ice Box, Fly Down, Super Saver, Afleet Express and Lookin At Lucky will show up for the Classic.

jayjay 25 Jul 2010 6:06 PM

Dray,  You love your self so much, I bet you spend hours looking at yourself in the mirror everyday.

And you still can't figure it out! lol!!!

sodapopkid 25 Jul 2010 6:27 PM

I agree Jay Jay,  Also,

It is way past time for  Rachel to run in grade 1 races.

sodapopkid 25 Jul 2010 6:32 PM

The best part of Golden Mocha winning the Prince of Wales today is that he is owned by a partnership that includes Rene Douglas. An article in the DRF titled "Douglas looking forward again" (posted 7/24 and written by Marcus Hersh) talks about it:

"...There is a horse running named Golden Mocha, who has Douglas's head back in the game for the first time since his terrible spill last year at Arlington. A Canadian-bred, Golden Mocha has made all his starts in Panama, where Douglas is from. Douglas analysed video over and over of Golden Mocha's 3 for 3 Panamanian career, and he bought a piece of the horse..."

This is a very good article. Well worth reading. It is fantastic that Rene is finding something to get interested and excited about. It's been a long, difficult road and I was so happy for him that Golden Mocha won.

Congratulations Rene and partners! Best wishes for continued success!

Zoookeeper 25 Jul 2010 7:00 PM

CV said.....

Question: should his Beyer be more than 105 because he ran more than 2 seconds faster than either DMC or Rachel?

Answer.....NO.

Beyers are relevant to the particular track, surface and condition of that surface that they are run on.  If that weren't the case then tracks like Emerald Downs, etc., would constantly have unusually high Beyers because their surfaces are lightening fast.  

LAZMANNICK 25 Jul 2010 7:06 PM

Out west we have a great horse called The Usual Q.T.

In the east there is a bloggetr we can now call The Usual B.S.

Draynay you know who you are.....In answer to your rant about the race preceeding Rachel's being run 2 seconds faster.....Why wouldn't it be?  That allowance race was for N1X's.....Rachel's allowance race was for non-winners of a stakes race (except for Rachel) for a pot of $400K.

To particlly justify my rant about the abnormally high Beyer and the fact that they are adjusted all the time, all of a sudden Rachel's Beyer has been reduced to 105.  Persoanlly, I that that is still generous, but fair.

LAZMANNICK 25 Jul 2010 7:12 PM

soda

You're right.  Every time he looks at himself he has to try and figure out why, all of a sudden, is his left eye on the right side of his head.

LAZMANNICK 25 Jul 2010 7:22 PM

Draynay:  the funniest thing you've said in years when you stated Gunbow is losing credibility points.  I'm sure Gunbow is really worried when a blogger such as you is subtracting credibility points.  

I do agree with you though that Zenyatta's owners should nut up and run in the Personal Ensign.  If that happened, Rachel would have a great view of Big Z blowing by her when she cocks her head to the right in the stretch.  Alas, us fans will ultimately be denied this treat based on the whims of Big Z's owners.

Very excited for Devil May Care v. Blind Luck.  I'm giving Blind Luck the edge in this close, exciting contest.

2:24 25 Jul 2010 7:47 PM

Jason,

The only blogger who should be invited to sub for you is Deacon -- he is the only blogger who  is not only educated, informative, but is non-offensive when he posts his opinions.

I do not agree with him on all his opinions, but he is the only one whose name does not bring obviously offensive bias to color his words (directed to both RA and Zenyatta drink the coolaid cult fans -- I don't need to name names; we readers know both sides).

As far as as who would be very entertaining, and who I would prefer to read,  I would request Doug Salvatore, an interesting and very uninhibited racetrack professional.

skyfire 25 Jul 2010 7:47 PM

Zoo, yes, I was so happy for that. The article said he's talking about it and is excited. Maybe this will help in his recovery process.

As for Rachel.

Who died and said only Andy Beyer knows how horses should be speed rated?

Jersey, Draynay is always trying to school people on here who are much more well-educated and more savvy about horse racing. He has done it to Jason, some owners and trainers on here and those who aren't.

He believes he's more intelligent than people with multiple degrees, whether it's a PHD, M.D. or whatever.

A tip on Rachel? Please, there was no show wagering anywhere other than Jersey. Think maybe others had a clue that she should win this race? Wasn't it you Draynay who said 15 lengths?

If she lost this race I'd say take her home and let her do whatever it is she wants to do now because it sure wouldn't be running as a racehorse.

As Jason said in his article, she had to work for this win.

Like I said, only the underwhelming crowd that showed up in Jersey and the most diehard in denial Rachel fans enjoyed that race.

Kit J 25 Jul 2010 8:01 PM

Zookeeper, do you realize you have an extra "o" in your name today?  Is it intentional?  just asking.. :-)

I was hoping Big Red Mike would win today; but if he had to lose, glad it was to Golden Moka.  I read that DRF story about Renee Douglas yesterday and am happy he has taken an interest.  Hope his stem cell procedures in Panama work out for him, too.

sherpa 25 Jul 2010 8:13 PM

Jason, I agree with you that Rachel wants no part of Blame or QualityRoad at 10 furlongs.  I also think she is more likely for the distaff.

As I've stated, I think Zenyatta wins the Classic.  I think her biggest concern is Blame.

2:24 25 Jul 2010 8:17 PM

Rachel is back.  I know that some of you don't like it, but I would be shocked if she doesn't run in the Classic.  Not only will she most likely be in the Classic, but she can still win it.  

Guess how fast good allowance horses ran at Monmouth on Saturday on that extremely slow dirt track?  1 1/16= 1:46.  Rachel ran 1 1/8 in 1:49 and 3 and wasn't tired and didn't even really break a sweat on that hot day.  

Most people just don't understand racing.  Her race in the Lady's Secret was perfect.  I wouldn't have wanted her to do anything different if I owned her myself.  Some of you have no idea the campaign that is required to win the BC Classic and Rachel's connections are now taking that path.  They don't want her peaking or having hard races right now.  

You all also must realize that if Rachel would have raced in the Stephen Foster at CD, she would have blown the field away.  She already ran faster than the colts that day without nearly being all out.  

Just because she is more professional this year and not all up in the bridle tugging down the stretch does not mean that she can't run as well as she did last year.  It just means that she understands racing a little bit more and is a seasoned, relaxed racehorse waiting on Calvin to tell her what to do.  

Piu Forte 25 Jul 2010 8:18 PM

Jason, Whatever you decide to do concerning someone taking over your blog while you are on vacation, Just please don't let it be dreaded Draynay.

I know you wouldnt do that to us. You are to nice a man to do that.

sodapopkid 25 Jul 2010 8:29 PM

Kit J,

It would not be the first time that a horse has helped someone through a period of pain and depression. I hope Golden Mocha continues to do well. He may be Rene's ticket back to life!

Zoookeeper 25 Jul 2010 8:31 PM

How sad that Bold Chieftain came in dead last in the California Dreamin' - in what will now be his final race.  I'll miss seeing the old man run.  He's been a true champion!  Hope Morey has found a good place for him to stand where he'll be visited by LOTS of well-bred mares.

BC, you did your connections proud and gave your fans some terrific racing memories.  May you live long and prosper!

sherpa 25 Jul 2010 8:35 PM

Thanks everyone.

Nice to see reason is prevailing. I did not see the Beyer for Devil May Care. Let us say it stays at 96.

Here is an observation.

Twice in the past the Beyer/DRF folks have questioned times at Saratoga. They did so for Lawyer Ron and Quality Road. Now Devil May Care gets a 96, a rather low number.

These horses have one thing in common. They are all trained by T Pletcher. Is this just a coincidence?.

Next, since when did anyone care about fractional times?. The only time that matters is the final time, the winner's time.

Draynay, the only reason I asked you to check the splits in that race is because I thought you would do it. It is irrelevant.

JerseyBoy 25 Jul 2010 8:50 PM

"Girls STILL rule.  Promoting sisterhood across the species."

Pam S. 24 Jul 2010 10:18 PM

Right on, Pam S.!

Jayjay - I thought RA veered toward QM too, but I read this earlier:

"While it appeared that Rachel Alexandra may have veered in a step when she passed Queen Martha, a review of the head-on replay shows that Joe Bravo, aboard Queen Martha, wanted to get his filly off the rail and to the outside.

'When she cleared him he came out,' Asmussen said of Bravo, before adding that Rachel Alexandra 'ran straight as a string.'"

www.drf.com/.../115098.html

That same article says that RA's Beyer had been revised down to 105.  I'm a huge Rachel fan, but I felt uncomfortable watching that race.  That head turning thing is weird.  I watched several of her races from last year and couldn't find anything remotely similar.  And I don't remember her tongue hanging out last year.  Did Jackson bring in Michael Jordan for an inspirational talk?

I was also blown away by Harbinger crushing that field and Golden Moka pulling off the win for Douglas!  That article on Douglas looking forward again is intense.

Can't wait for next weekend, the Whitney, the Alabama, and wherever Zenyatta goes.

ruffianruns 25 Jul 2010 9:35 PM

sherpa,

I guess I stuttered when I had to log on again. Thanks! Whaat's an extrra O beetweeen frriends?

Zookeeper 25 Jul 2010 9:36 PM

A few letters more or less, no big deal.  We know who we are, right? ;-)

Since BH hasn't posted video of the Prince of Wales, here's the YT complete with post parade - an impressive win by Golden Moka indeed!

www.youtube.com/watch

shep 25 Jul 2010 10:24 PM

Zookeeper, I noticed it too. I thought maybe it was like a race announcer or an announcer at a basketball game. You know how they drag the name out?  Starting at point guard Zoooooooookeeeeeper.

Or a Tom Durkin special?

Yes Jersey, Draynay is big on splits. He is a frustrated cheerlearder. Oh, you mean TIME splits. I think it's because he picks so many horses that are done after a half. He loves to say his horse had the fastest split at some point in a race.

Kit J 25 Jul 2010 10:34 PM

Thanks shep, question : how do you post youtube vid links without all the other characters in the link ?

jaaajaaaaaaaay 25 Jul 2010 11:10 PM

I love Rachel but I agree with most that the LS was not a visually impressive race at all.  I wasn't concerned about the margin of victory, I was most concerned with how much urging Borel gave her down the lane and the fact is Rachel 09 could draw clear of a field like this without Borel even blinking an eye.  However... I will say except for Queen Martha the rest of the field was strung out from Jersey to California so even though there wasn't alot separating RA from the runner up, the rest of the field was miles away.  I guess "separation" is in the eye of the beholding, ha ha.

Meanwhile Zenyatta and RA are certainly not the only girls running lights out.  The female ranks this year are unbelievable.  Devil May Care, Blind Luck and Evening Jewel are a force to be reckoned with.  My only concern about Blind Luck is that in more than a few races she appears poised to just blow right by the lead horse but doesn't.  I'm starting to think she is hanging and that could easily get her beat by the likes of DMC and EJ who appear to be peaking.

All in all I have to say the Ladies Classic could be the best race on Breeders Cup weekend!

Runfast159 26 Jul 2010 1:39 AM

149.78 says it all. I'm not impressed that RA won by 3 over a horse making her first start on dirt. So far this year has been a major dissapointment for the reigning HOY. Time to step it up and hit the G1's. Still a chance to prove she's on of the top 10 this year. Two for Four against nothing doesn't cut it so far.

another yawner 26 Jul 2010 8:53 AM

Jason,

I just realized that in your article about RA's race, you made reference to RA "lugging in a bit."  Last night I posted the link to the DRF article that says that QM came out from the rail and that Asmussen said RA ran "straight as a string."  I still have a hard time believing Asmussen and the article.  I haven't taken another look at the race, and I don't have the head-on replay.  Have you seen the head-on replay and is Asmussen right?

ruffianruns 26 Jul 2010 9:13 AM

JerseyBoy read up and I may make you my apprentice and learn to bow when speaking before me.  If you have any questions on how to do it properly talk to jayjay.  Sodapop, tall is beautiful and blue eyes don't hurt. Piu Forte be careful don't feed the animals too much they aren't capable of taking it all in but all in all a excellent post.  Listen, I think we all know deep in our hearts that Quality Road is clearly the fastest horse running.  We also know he is going to win HOY and the Classic.  Can something crazy happen?  Yes. We all saw Big Brown get stepped on coming out of the gate at Belmont and it was over.  My point with Rachel is simple.  She still has a path to HOY.  When she wins the Personal Ensign and Beldame she will go in as third choice in the Classic.  If for some strange reason Quality Road is not 100% OR IT COMES UP WET Rachel is your Classic winner.  If it comes up wet Rachel will go off as the favorite and coast home for the win.  Wet in November? Maybe.

Draynay 26 Jul 2010 9:44 AM

Quite a weekend for James Cassidy.  Excellent training for both of his fine runners, especially, Evening Jewell, of whom, he said she has wanting to run for a month.

However, for long shot bettors, a big Kudo to Myong Kwong Cho, for, yet, more long shots.  His Premier Pegasus was a huge upset in his MSW race on Saturday.  Then, his fine filly ran third behind EJ at a big price, thus, stamping an excellent trifecta.  Cho has been overlooked by the "wise guys" for years.  Yes, there is more to life than, merely, betting chalk.  

berttheclock 26 Jul 2010 10:14 AM

Evening Jewel ran a beautiful race. It was so fun to watch. I think the reactions of Mr. Cassidy and also the Mosses are why a lot of people are fans of those horses.

Mr. Jackson didn't even go to watch Rachel? Hmmmm.

You know some people are funny with that in your face humor. But Draynay I have to say that yours comes off as sheer arrogance and it really isn't funny at all. Maybe you're funny, maybe you're a nice person and fun to hang out with. But your history of how you speak to people on here and call out the people who actually are in control of the various horses renders your comments as bitter and arrogant.

Kit J 26 Jul 2010 10:33 AM

ruffianruns

It was the jockey on QM, Joe Bravo, that said Rachel ran straight.  If you do take another look at the race replay, look a the furrows in the track.  They are usually straight and can give you a good indication from a side view if a horse is running relatively straight or not.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 10:56 AM

Runfast159

I concur with you.  When Borel brought Rachel alongside Queen Martha at around mid way on the turn and said go, Rachel tried but never accelerated away and in fact didn't even get her head in front until the top of the stretch.  Then she gradually took over, but not without a fight from a horse that is clearly several lengths short of her on the class scale.  One thing.....it was very hot.  the heat probably effected Rachel and if it did the telling sign will be how long it takes her to overcome the race.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 11:01 AM

Well, Rachel got a 105 Beyer, did not need to run any faster to win, so she did what she needed to do. All CB did was wave the whip at her...

Rachel 26 Jul 2010 11:14 AM

Piu Forte and Draynay

If you’re comparing Rachel’s time to the times in the other two allowance races run at distances on dirt on Saturday and trying to make a case for Rachel, I’m afraid that this isn’t the way to go.  The quality of the so called good allowance route races at Monmouth on Saturday left more to be desired than the quality of the Lady’s Secret.  I say this because of their weakness relevant to the purse money they were running for.   Competing in your so called TOUGH allowance races……..19 starters and THREE of them coming off wins (15%).  I’d hate to see what super tough would be.  These races, BTW are first level allowance races.  There weren’t any NW2 or NW3 or money allowances, etc.

• 8th race - SN1X…….time 5.36 seconds over the track record set in 2007……Of the 10 starters, only TWO of them were coming off a win.  Of those, 1 won this race as 3rd favorite and the other finished 7th.

• 10th race - N1X…..time 5.86 seconds over the track record set in 1997……of the 9 starters only ONE of them was coming off a win (at Philly) and it finished 8th as the 3rd favorite.  The race was won by a 19-1 shot.

• LS – Stakes Race (NOT GRADED)…..time 2.98 seconds over the track record set in 1985……of seven starter only ONE horse (Rachel) was coming off a win.

This means that out of a total of 26 horses running in these TOUGH races, only 4 (15%) had actually won a race coming into their Saturday race.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 11:35 AM

Draynay:

Re-read my analysis  regarding the Kentucky Derby.

I will be leaving on an overseas vacation paid for by Super Saver. I did not claim to have placed a bet on him after the race was run. Remember, I bet on him on all three Future pools.

Read also my comment on First Dude and the Belmont Stakes.In fact, read every thing I have written here. You will find no excuses.

Did you notice the Beyer Rating for Rachel Alexandra was cut 5 points?

I am done with this.

"Integrity is the essence of everything successful". Show some.

JerseyBoy 26 Jul 2010 11:50 AM

Piu Forte

You obviously need a lesson in identifying CLASS.  This bit about Rachel blowing the field away if she would have run in the SF is conjecture at best based solely on time, not the competition.  For instance, when Rachel drew alongside QM yesterday and looked like she was just going to blow on by and didn’t, finally inching away inside the 8th pole and making up most of her winning margin in the final 16th, what do you think would have happened if Queen Martha would have been Battle Plan or if Live at Ten would have been the horse she was eyeball to eyeball with instead of QM?  I’ll tell you one thing, they wouldn’t have quite.  The fact that a horse that is much lower than Rachel on the class scale actually extended her should tell you that her race was more of a struggle than most realize.  This is not like the Anabees race where Zen came from well out of it and caught her at the wire.  If Zen would have been eye-ball to eye-ball with that one from the 8th pole and struggled to get by, then there could be an argument, but she wasn't.  Against this field Rachel should have won by double digits.  You say that they were trying to be workmanlike.  I say BULL.  They were trying to be workmanlike by rating her but once Borel asked her to run he expected her to take off and leave the other one far behind.  She didn’t.  The others, of course, were well strung out, and they should have been.  They would have been strung out in a N3X allowance and they shouldn’t have been running in this race with a purse of 400K.

Draynay says that Zen is hiding out.  I think that Rachel is the one who is hiding out and it’s time for her to come out and face the best in the east.  They’re only a short ways away, not on the other side of the county.  NO EXCUSES with the quality of her competition in her next will be accepted.  And if she goes in the BC, realistically, unless she wins a G1 leading up to it they better aim for the Lady’s Distaff (no shame).

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 11:55 AM

Lazmannick the Del Mar track is a disaster and Zenyatta doesn't even like it.  The PE is on her preferred distance and track.  She has NO EXCUSE.  Rachel will be there and Life At Ten will be there.  They are on the phone right now begging the connections of Zenyatta to show but they are looking for another excuse since they got rid of the detention barn excuse.  They are trying to figure out how to dodge once again.  Zenyatta is a poly state champion and nothing more until she wins East of the Mississippi.

Draynay 26 Jul 2010 1:22 PM

I think Rachel dodged Zen in the Apple Blossom race.  So , Its up to RA to seek out Zenyatta.   I don't believe that Jess Jackson has officially announced Rachel A. in the PE yet.  He will probably wait a while to see where Zenyatta is heading to next.

sodapopkid 26 Jul 2010 1:39 PM

Draynay

When Zenyatta comes east she will be looking for the BIG BOYS ONLY.  Unfortunately, Rachel and Life at Ten are not that high up are her IMPORTANCE scale.  They are major contenders for the BC Lady's and nothing else.  Zen wouldn't bother leaving Cali for that, sorry.  If you want to see her up close and personal, try and get into the lineup (it'll strech around the block) for those that will be fortunate enough to see her in the walking ring.  Take pictures.  That's the only time you'll see her when she isn't a blurr.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 1:51 PM

Draynay

If Zen's connections decided to send her east and she ran in the Whitney and the Woodward and the JCGC and then as an afterthought, the BCC, and won them all (of course), then people like you would say its the same as Cali.....she beats the same horses over and over again......when are they going to man up and ship her across the Atlantic and run her in the ARC?

No matter what, you'll never accept her as the best there is today.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 2:04 PM

JerseyBoy : Good for you, although I hate you for making that much money on Supersaver lol...great job!  Don't worry about Draynay, this boy is mine.  He listens to me without actually saying it on the blog, it hurts his ego ;)

Draynay : The article is still posted under Haskin's blogs, it's called "Art of her own", look it up and re-visit your comments about how much you like Zen.  I always knew it, you're a closet Zen lover.  I know you believe that Zen is better than Quality Road, she'll whip him like a little boy come Classic, just like Zenyatta whipped you in last year's Classic lol.  Stop the pretentious hatred for Zen, it's all documented how much you like her and the Mosses.  It's time to jump on her wagon boy.

jayjay 26 Jul 2010 2:14 PM

My bad, the article is called "A greatness of her own".  It's a great article about Zen and Draynay is all over her :)

jayjay 26 Jul 2010 2:31 PM

I love every horse.  The connections are a different story.  Believe me I don't think for one second Zenyatta is scared to race anywhere.  It's the connections that have the fear not Zenyatta.  If Zenyatta could speak this is what she would say. "Please please please let me out of California and let me race in real races.  Please."

Draynay 26 Jul 2010 3:41 PM

You know, Rachel did fine this weekend. The heat was enough to kill anyone. I am impressed she won in this heat. She won against a horse who ran very well. We have seen Zenny do that as well and we are thrilled she wins. Ditto for Rachel!

Draynay, Zenny will win east of the Mississippi, not to worry. But she will have her hands full with the two Beastie Boys (QR and Blame) that's for sure. I hope they run Rachel against the girls in the Breeders Cup. I think that would suit her  best and add to her legacy. I don't believe she can beat the Beastie Boys at this point. Maybe that will change.

Paula Higgins 26 Jul 2010 3:50 PM

Just a short comment about the heat and the track at Monmouth on Sat.  It was literally like sitting in H---.  If you breathed, you were dripping sweat.  Rachel was affected just like everyone else there.  The trucks were out spraying the track between every race (sometime going twice and sometimes spraying the crowd too) The dirt was cooking!  We went to see her run and to see how she looked but the conditions were probably not showing a fair picture of that.  Rachel does look strong and healthy but when she used to turn on the speed and take off, she seemed to hesitate, maybe distracted.  She got the job done but I'm not sure that this race gives us much useful information about where she is at this point.  The heat and the track were just too bad to make any reasonable judgement.

On another note, prayers for the conections of the horse that went down at Monmouth Sat.

TerriV 26 Jul 2010 4:28 PM

jayjay - to post a YouTube link, just get the video you want on the screen, go up to the top where you see all the extra gobbledygook, highlight it, RIGHT click, select "copy" from the drop-down, bring it over here and left click once to get your cursor into the comment box, then RIGHT click again and select "paste" from the drop-down.  It will appear that all the junk is still there until you submit, but it's actually making a nice little hyperlink.

As my son taught me: "Always remember, RIGHT CLICK is your friend."  ;-)

Good luck!

sherpa/shep

sherpa 26 Jul 2010 6:44 PM

"I love every horse...Believe me I don't think for one second Zenyatta is scared to race anywhere."

Draynay 26 Jul 2010 3:41 PM

Right. That's why you post such statements as this one...

"Chickenyatta isn’t going anywhere...Zenyatta is a plastic poly horse and state champion and that is it."

It's because you "love every horse."

CV 26 Jul 2010 6:46 PM

Draynay

Do you want some ham to go with that little bit of egg on your face?

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 7:25 PM

I agree that RA shouldnt run in the classic. She has the same running style as quality road and quality road would run her in the ground. She would be lucky to hit the board in the classic. I agree with paula to keep her in the ladies classic. No one can keep up with Quality Road though he is in a league by himself. I love Blame as well but the horses are all running for 2nd when QR shows up!

In aint easy being good! 26 Jul 2010 7:28 PM

jayjay

I guess seeing that Draynay loves every horse, then I guess that D.Wayne Lucas can expect an I-Love-You card for Mine That Bird deliverd Special Delivery sometime this week.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 7:32 PM

Draynay : I knew it, the only thing is that you can express that in a more gentler way.  I know you're frustrated because you know yourself that Zenyatta is the best out there but not seeing it outside of California is probably frustrating for you.  You can approach that frustration the same way you approach your frustration with Rachel, you can't forgive JJ for what he's doing with Rachel and complain about the Mosses.  It's all about the horse, if you keep that in your mind before you attack them, it might just make you think twice before you submit your write-up.

I also don't think it's necessarily a "fear" from her connections to face any horses, there's no pressure in losing now but it is a big goal to preserve the  unbeaten record.  Just like JJ's finding the softest spot for Rachel now to prepare for the Classic, the Mosses are doing the same exact thing.  It's not rocket science, it's what racing is in our era.  You'll see her in your neck of the woods in the Classic for sure (barring any health issues or injuries or weather) and you might even see her before then so just chill and admire her.  You'll get a lot more out of it than constantly pulling your hair from frustration lol.

LAZ : Good post to Piu lol.  I told LDP sometime back that Rachel can't rate.  I don't think they can change that running style now and this close to the Classic.  As you mentioned, CB moved her up beside QM but as everyone saw, she didn't accelerate past QM, it almost seemed like she didn't know what to do.  Borel had to tell her to keep going to get past her and then continue working on her.  With LaT in the PE, I don't think they should rate her.  She'll have a better shot running her style and hopefully run LaT to the ground.  If they're trying to change her style now, it might backfire on them come Classic time.  Then again, I don't know much about racing lol, maybe Asmussen knows she'll peak in the Classic which at this point is very very possible if she is back to her 2009 form.

jayjay 26 Jul 2010 7:35 PM

Paula no one really believes Zenyatta or any horse on this planet can beat Quality Road.  We have seen maybe 3 or 4 horses at this age this talentd in 30 years.  Get a clue.

Draynay 26 Jul 2010 7:58 PM

You know what really makes me laugh is people like Draynay saying he doesn't like the connections. Really, come on. Do more than .5% of the people on here even know the connections, their intentions or anything about them?

To ME people who say they don't like this trainer or this owner must have some sort of jealousy or envy issues. Unless the trainer or owner has some legal issues, drug positives or cruelty charges? Why should we even care that much?

We all know people like Draynay change favorites in an instant, why so much angst?

I wasn't thrilled with the direction they're taking Rachel but she isn't my multi-million dollar horse so I can just express that I'm disappointed. NOT the trash talking nonsense that comes from a few people on these blogs.

I don't get taking something so personally when it's really not anything to do with you other than just watching a horse run.

Draynay, unless the track comes up sloppy, he decides he doesn't want to race that day, his foot issues reappear. Never say NEVER or it most certainly will happen.

Kit J 26 Jul 2010 8:22 PM

Zenyatta is the only horse that is good enough to take on QR.  Her stride is her gift.  I dont care  how many 'bullets' QR fires,  Zenyatta is the only horse that can and willl take him down.   I know she can.... Do you hear me , Dray?

sodapopkid 26 Jul 2010 8:29 PM

Lets let the King,  meet the Queen in November.   My money is on the Queen, Zenyatta

sodapopkid 26 Jul 2010 8:31 PM

Sodapopkid,

Thats what im talking about.  I ve been reading Drays madness for to long now.  From now it needs to be nothing but smack talk.

Dray,

Zen is going to inhale QR around the 1/8 poll.  Rachel wont even hit the board because she will be in the ladies classic(lightbulb).  You my friend are a bafoon.

PMAC14 26 Jul 2010 9:36 PM

jayjay

I agree with your assessment to a point, but I also disagree.

I think that Rachel can rate, but only with the front runners, stay just off the pace and within a length or so, but only if she is on the outside.  If she’s on the rail I think they push her to get the lead because I don’t think she likes being buried inside of horses…...She’s not a mid-pack or a stone closer (at least not to this point in her career), so she’s always going to be used early to some degree.

When she races Life At Ten, if I was them I’d let LAT have the lead and stalk her, dog the hell out of LAT and be a looming presence and then make a move.  There’s a good chance that there will be other speed in the race which, if this is the case, would make it a lot easier for Rachel.…..I think that Rachel’s worst nightmare is if she stalks the pace and stays within 1 to 1-1/2 lengths of the lead, makes her move somewhere in the turn and challenges the speed, and then have that speed stay with her and not fold.  There is a good chance that this will happen because these will be the best fillies and mares she has ever met and the longest distance she has run in over a year.  At this point, I think that if she is challenged full out in the stretch she will give in.  She did it already twice this year and lost.  She did it against Macho last year and gamely hung on, but Macho wasn’t G1 quality enough to go by her when he roared up on the outside.  The Blames, Quality Roads, Rail Trips, Awesome Gems and Zenyatta’s of the world would have.

In the Lady’s Secret, when Calvin made his move and Queen Martha didn’t back off right away, I got the impression if QM would have had true G1 class she would have stayed and hooked Rachel and the race result might have been a different story.  I disagree with Haskin’s account that Rachel made two moves.  To me, she made the one move, but the other one moved with her and Rachel had to persevere.  It was a point of Class going on, and lesser Class giving in.   At that point I fully expected Rachel to draw off and run away with the race, but she didn’t.

One thing for certain, the easy races of this year and most of last year are now going to be a thing of the past.  If Rachel is the champion many think she is, now she’s really going to have to dig down and prove her backers right.

LAZMANNICK 26 Jul 2010 9:46 PM

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Moss:  please, please run Zenyatta in the Personal Ensign.  It is a fantastic race, at America's premier track, named in honor of one of the all-time greats.  I admit that I have selfish reasons for this request.  I want to see it as a fan.  Also, I spend an inordinate amount of time on a horse racing blog where a particular blogger needs to be shut up.  And Zenyatta will do it.  Thank you in advance for your consideration.

2:24

2:24 26 Jul 2010 9:55 PM

Draynay:  not only do I think Zenyatta beats Quality Road at 10 furlongs on dirt, I think she wins going away by at least 3 lengths.  I also have the utmost respect for Quality Road.

2:24 26 Jul 2010 9:58 PM

         Just think ! Once this years BC Classic is won , all of our questions and conflicts will be solved !! Maybe ????

Pedigree Shelly 26 Jul 2010 10:09 PM

These matchups with Zenyatta against Quality Road & Rachel Alexandra should've happened already. Everyone was ready to go in the Classic last year till Quality Road threw a fit and had to be scratched. I personally think he caught a glimpse of big Z and didn't want any part of that A** Whoopin'. And we all know about the Apple Blossom this year with Rachel. Zenyatta doesn't need to chase anyone for competition. B/c when she does they come up with excuses not to face her.

The Rock 26 Jul 2010 11:33 PM

I seriously disagree, still with the statement RA can't rate effectively. I also agree with Haskin that RA made 2 move. She was not even all out on the turn and was easily staying w/ QM. Look at the difference between Calvin and the jockey on QM. The jockey on the latter, was scrubbing and urging away while the only thing Calvin had done at that point was nudge RA, maybe twice, to give her the green light. The second move was at the top of the stretch, where Calvin finally cut RA lose. Also, not that turning for home, the annoucer called RA 1.5 lengths in front. Calvin wrapped her up almost just after the eighth pole, and she still drew off.

On the rating deal, I really don't get where ppl still say she can't rate. She is more relaxed this year then she was last year. She was willing to sit off QM during mediocre fractions and did not fight in the least. IMO, if the pace is quickened, it will not matter, she will run in that same zone.

I also do not think it is fair to judge QM. Her trainer had been high on her before the race and she proved him right. She ran her eyeballs out while RA wasn't even extended to keep the lead. If she goes on to win some stakes, and personally I think she will, what will the excuses be then?

LDP 26 Jul 2010 11:35 PM

LAZ : Yeah, I believe they used the LS to test her rating and by rating I did mean just off the lead horse the way she ran in the LS, anything more than that she won't be able to catch up IMO.  So yeah, even within a length rating, I don't think she'll do well.  As I said, if it's against the same field as LS, then yes, she can do it all day long but with the likes of the top contenders in the Distaff or the Classic, I seriously doubt she can rate that way.  Her style is what I believe allowed her to win the races against the boys because of her natural speed, it's deceiving because she goes really fast so the natural instinct tells you she'll fold but that is really her power, that's what makes  her win the races.  The acceleration at the top of the stretch where she pulls away and then holds off the closers.  In the Woodward, even with Da Tara there to set the pace, she still went for the lead and she pulled away as far as she can to hold off Macho.  This year, you don't see that acceleration.  I want her to be in the best shape when she runs in the Classic, tip top shape so that when Zenyatta finally beats her, there will be no excuses.  I want all the contenders in their best form, so that the Classic will be fair and square so that when Zenyatta wins, the only thing they can complain about is that her odds are 1-9.  I want all the haters to not have any excuses about their horses and hopefully we can finally see everyone crediting Zenyatta for what she's done and for being the queenly BEAST that she is :)

I'm more worried about Blame than QR as far as the Classic goes.  I'd like to see QR go against First Dude in the Mile actually.  FD is fast for such a big horse, I don't think he'll fold that easily either.

jayjay 27 Jul 2010 12:03 AM

I will say one last thing about Rachel's race on Saturday (which I just watched again).  Considering the heat and humidity, she didn't look at all taxed at the end of that race. She wasn't washed out or breathing especially hard.  

I hope she does go to the PE.  If nothing else, at least I can say that's what I expected the plan was when they announced her next start was going to be The Lady's Secret.  And if she wins the PE, then I'd just say "I love it when a plan falls into place." LOL.

Runfast159 27 Jul 2010 12:34 AM

jayjay

I guess the queen of race watching just schooled us.  Oh well, I do wear glasses, maybe I need another pair.  I'm now using my magnifying glasses to see if I can find where that second move was.  I thought that when QM suddenly threw the towel in Rachel was still running the same speed as she was before.  Actually she was running slower, at least that's what the fractional time of the race says.  My mistake.  It's probably wrong also.  Of course, Queen Martha’s class level just went up considerably seeing that she actually ran a few steps with a 1 to 9 shot.  I guess that makes the race more legit.

LAZMANNICK 27 Jul 2010 12:48 AM

Draynay, why so harsh? "Get a clue" Geesh, warm and fuzzy you are not today. I agree that QR and Blame are special and Zenyatta will have her hands full. They will be the toughest competition she will ever face. Your problem is that you don't recognize the specialness of Zenyatta. Where you get this idea that Zenyatta is simply a poly specialist I sure don't know. It is an assumption that is not based in reality. Like the rest of us, you have seen her run on dirt and she does so without problem. In fact, she wins by bigger margins on dirt. So your belief that she is a poly specialist is on a par with the idea that aliens built the pyramids. I don't know whether she will win the BCC this year. But I do know this: she will be Quality Road's, Blame's and Looking At Lucky's biggest competition. She will be the only female to show up with any chance of beating them. So you say you don't dislike any horse. O.k. how about showing respect for every horse, especially one that has won 17 races in a row. That shouldn't be a stretch for anyone.

Paula Higgins 27 Jul 2010 1:05 AM

What I found quite interesting was an HRTV re-airing of an interview with Hal Wiggins, first aired on April 29, 2009, the day before the Kentucky Oaks.  His plan, at that time, was the eventual goal of the Breeders' Cup, and having Rachel run against Zenyatta.  We all lost out on that when Jackson bought RA right after the Oaks.  I thought RA ran very well in the Lady's Secret, and much better than she's run so far this year. I don't honestly believe we'll see her take on 10f....no matter how many guesses people keep making...but I could be wrong.  

As far as a quilting blog goes, bring it on...while I hope I can stop trying to cut off my fingers while trimming my squares.  (Isn't Zen more into painting?  Does anyone have one of her Mo-neighs?))

Slew 27 Jul 2010 9:15 AM

I feel sorry for anyone facing Quality Road in the Whitney. They may not want to run again after a spanking like that. The only one I see in training in the U.S. right now that could beat Quality Road is Zenyatta, but she'll have to run the race of her life to beat him in The Classic. No, I don't see a mile and a quarter being a problem for QR if he maintains his current form, and he'll be getting the conditioning he needs in his next two races.

Dr Drunkinbum 27 Jul 2010 10:34 AM

It's so amazing how people see things so differently but that's what makes things interesting.

MonicaV 27 Jul 2010 11:05 AM

LDP : All I'm saying is that against the LS field, she can probably rate all day.  I'm not downplaying QM's performance but you have to admit, QM is not in the same class as Quality Road and Rail Trip who would be the pacesetters in the Classic.  This is what this discussion is all about right?  Being the Classic is what they're trying to point to, rating Rachel off of those two horses in my opinion will not be a good idea.  She will have to deal with trying to overcome those two then try to hold off Blame and Zenyatta.  If she rates in the PE and wins convincingly then yes, I'll admit I'm wrong but until then, I still firmly believe that her best chance is to run her race, her style that allowed her to beat the boys 3 times last year.  I believe her power is that acceleration on the final turn where she pulls away and then try to hold off any closers.

jayjay 27 Jul 2010 11:09 AM

I don't know about Quality Road.  He's blazingly fast but I think his maximum distance is 9 furlongs.

He has been in 2 10 furlong races and came in second even if on a muddy track.  I should think he would have to rate to win at 10 furlongs because if he runs his usual, his fast pace will setup for Zenyatta beautifully.  If he runs the JCGC and wins, then he can win at 10 furlongs if the track is not wet.  There's a possibility that the track will be wet at CD as it has been before for the BC.  That always changes the dynamics of the race.  Zenyatta hasn't run on an off track but then she may handle as well as a dry track.

MonicaV 27 Jul 2010 11:15 AM

Jay Jay Quality Road would smoke First dude. I like first dude but come on Quality Road is the best horse on the planet. Did you check out the work yesterday 58 seconds that is undheard of. Get ready for his 3rd track record his next race.

November is circled on the calendar, cant wait to see the so called best horse of all time...Zenyatta LOL! get embarrased by Quality Road. The announcer will be saying this in the breeders cup about my boy QR..

www.youtube.com/watch

In aint easy being good! 27 Jul 2010 11:48 AM

LDP

A few things about Saturday’s race…….

The trainer of Queen Martha, Patrick Biancone, openly stated that they were racing for second best.  They would try and give Rachel a run for the money, but he knew there was no way they were going to beat her.  As far as Haskins stating that Queen Martha carried 133 lbs against males in England, fillies do that there all the time so the fact that she did it doesn’t necessarily mean that she was a graded stakes quality horse on dirt.  It’s interesting to note that St .Trinians had four straight races against males before she came over here.  In the last she carried 138 lbs. and lost by ¾ of a length.  In the race before that she carried 134 lbs. and won by 4 1/2L, and the race before 128 lbs. winning by a length.  She also carried 137 lbs. in a race against fillies.  These aren’t high quality races.  The purse structure is between 9 and 20K.

I still don’t see this so-called second move.  Rachel isn’t push button where you accelerate a little, then hold back, then accelerate again.  The race unfolded like QM’s connections wanted it to and it unfolded like so many other races you see several times a day……the pace setter leads all the way, is caught, digs in and then gradually gives way.  In this race QM set the pace (moderate) managed to stay 1 to 1 1/2L in front and waited for the challenge.  When Borel made his move in the turn Rachel accelerated quickly alongside so that they were head and head.  At that point Borel didn’t tighten the reins.  It was the other filly digging in and giving whatever she had left.  Rachel kept alongside of her until they turned into the stretch.  At that point QM grudgingly gave way and resumed racing for second money, was well clear of the rest, but no match for the winner.  Like I stated, I fully expected Rachel to draw away and she really didn’t, but she still finished the race in workmanlike fashion.  She also wasn’t ridden out past the finish line.  As soon as they crossed it Borel stood up in the irons.  Rachel was still strong and still wanted to run…..a lot of horses do.  I do get the feeling that she will run 1 1/4M, but how much she has left when others are charging is what everyone is questioning.

As far as the heat, it was hot for all the horses.  Some take heat better than others.  It will be during these next few days to determine what, if any, effect it had on her.  As far as the track, it’s interesting to note that other than Rachel, of 25 horses running in allowance route races (all entry level allowance) and the LS, only 3 were coming in off wins.  This can partially explain the lackluster times because there wasn’t a lot of high quality talent running in these races on Saturday.  It’s also interesting to note, that the turf races were all extremely fast.  i know the course was probalby rock hard, but it still begs the question, how much did the heat effect the horses.  It was more like the cuppy track.

LAZMANNICK 27 Jul 2010 12:52 PM

Monica V- it is interesting how people see things differently.  It's also interesting how nothing new is ever said in this argument.  It's just so interesting how the Rachel Alexandra fans want everybody to give her slack on the horses she has been running against.  But that is the way it is.

LDP- I believe she would rate off the pace of Quality Road and Rail Trip, but she will have to make a huge move to sweep past them and try to separate before the stretch runners come on.   And if she draws the rail, who knows what they will do.  I don't think they want her boxed in at any cost.  If she's close to the rail, I wouldn't be surprised if they have her up on the pace.  I can't believe the pace will be suicidal, but I think it will be legitimate.

Footlick 27 Jul 2010 12:54 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum, the only horse I can see beating Zenyatta is Quality Road. :)

I will need to see his JCGC before I'm convinced he'll get the 1 1/4 as a winner. But geez, he's sure in beautiful form right now. If Pletcher can keep it cooking until November, he'll be a beast.

Tiznowbaby 27 Jul 2010 12:56 PM

jayjay,

I'm not saying QM is in the same league. However, what makes you think that if QR and RT want to go faster she will stick right to them? She didn't in the MG, she rated 3 maybe four lengths back, off of Flashing and MP at one point, and when she was asked to go she spurted off. Now they aren't QR or RT, but they were going extremely fast, as may QR or RT.

Now, I wonder how fast the Classic may be. I say that because even though RT and RA have speed they can be pulled back and rated. QR is the only true speedster in the race, and though he may be pressed, how far is one willing to go to try and cook him? I'm sure they aren't going to try and get hooked and go 22 flat, 45-46, and 1.09 for 10 furlongs. I can maybe, maybe see him going a mid 23, mid 47, 1.10 and change or even 1.11. That would be a solid pace, that would apply pressure, but really is that going to cook RA, QR, or RT? IMO no. If RA is rating to the outside maybe 3 lengths back she maybe getting the pace she loves, 24, 48, 1.11 or a little slower. As I said solid fractions for all three, but is it really enough to take the starch out of any of them?

LDP 27 Jul 2010 1:13 PM

Dr Drunkinbum ITA with your thoughts about Quality Road. He is a freak.  He will be the toughest competition she will ever face. When I said on another blog that I was not unhappy he was scratched last year, there was a reason. I knew he was Zenny's toughest competition. She will have her hands full staying close enough so he doesn't get too far ahead of her and then finding that 3rd gear to go by him. It will take everything she has and a gear we haven't seen before. I do think she has that gear. Alot will depend upon how Mike Smith rides her. He has to plot this perfectly. If he is too far behind going around that last turn, it will be tough to make up the ground. If Quality Road has enough left in the tank after a fast early pace, I think he beats her. Her best chance is if he doesn't like the distance. Ditto Blame.

Rachel will need to continue to improve to have a chance at the BCC. I think running with the girls is her best bet.

Paula Higgins 27 Jul 2010 1:20 PM

Laz,

Your telling me St. T is not elevated just because she made Zenyatta work? If you are then you might want to get the glasses your wearing fixed. I am not elevating QM at all, but the judgment she is getting is way to early. That was her first start on dirt and she ran incredible. BTW, horses that throw in the towl don't finish nearly 8 lengths in front of their nearest competiter. She ran her eyeballs out and didn't even stretch RA, and she shouldn't have.

Whether you want to admit to two moves being made is your call. I mean it's not just me saying it, but only one of the best turf writers in the game. You say she ran slower, well I would think so, when after she took the lead Calvin wrapped her up.

LDP 27 Jul 2010 1:20 PM

Paula,

Fear not.  It looks like our friend Dray finally went too far.  Notice the clown pants and needing money to bet Rachel across-the-board.  Open and shut case.

www.youtube.com/watch

Ted from LA 27 Jul 2010 1:45 PM

Footlick,

I would have to say that it is blatanly obvious that Rachel's compeititon this year has been weak.  I mean an ungraded race?  The Fleur di Lis instead of the Stephen Foster?  My opinion is that she must have been so worn out from 2009 that it took everything out of her.  That was obvious in her first start and some of her workouts were like a child not wanting to play.  I certainly don't make excuses for them but I think that the connections are making the BC her goal.  They are going to have to step up the competition, however, to get her ready for that.  She needs to face Grade 1 horses now and it may as well be the PE.  It's perfect and she doesn't have to travel.  They have gone easy on her this year for obvious reasons and now it's time to see the 4 year old version and see how she fares.  I was not disappointed by her LS race.  She did well and only one horse had the gumption to try to go with her the others were many lengths behind as they should have been.  It was just a workout and now she should be ready.  We shall see.

MonicaV 27 Jul 2010 2:00 PM

Its going to be almost impossible to close in the breeders cup classic this year. Go back and see how many closers have closed well when the classic is on dirt oh yeah not many. QR will set fractions like the great ghostzapper and will win with ease.

RA and Zenyatta have no chance! Zenyatta cant go 5 or 6 wide on dirt and expect to win against the best horses in the country. If you guys think so you are in fantasy land! This isnt synthetics....dirt is where the champions are born! The fields in 07,06,05 all on dirt where amazing.

The fields in 08 & 09(synthetic) borderline sad!

In aint easy being good! 27 Jul 2010 2:13 PM

LDP

I'm not stating anything about St. Trinians other than she raced in high weight carrying races against males for relatively low purses before she came over here.  She obviously doesn’t compare to Queen Martha.  Queen Martha’s last race was a 2nd place finish as the favorite in an N2X allowance when she lead all the way and was passed by a horse coming from off the pace on turf, her preferred surface.  The horse that beat her, Strike the Bell, came into that race off a 7th place finish, beaten 10 lengths in the G3 Beaugy.  So both Strike the Bell and Queen Martha are hardly world beaters and still have to prove themselves in graded stakes.  St Trianians had won all four of her starts easily after coming over here including the G2 Santa Maria and was the beaten favorite against the boys in the G1 Santa Anita Handicap.  End of comparison.  It’s also interesting to note, that after tackling Zenyatta, St. Trinians is still sore from her strenuous race and is on the shelf for the rest of the season.

BTW, horses that throw in the towel with a little more than an 8th of a mile to go in a 1-1/8th mile race and are way in front of the others in the field obviously are much better than the $35K claimers that are lagging far behind, not one of which did anything of consequence at any time during the race.  I’m willing to bet most of their connections filled the race just so it would go off.  This is called doing Monmouth a favor, not like billionaire JJ who holds them up for ransom so he can get a glorified workout, especially when Monmouth is obviously under the gun from a financial standpoint.

As a note, just because someone is a turf writer, doesn’t mean that they are correct all the time.  Everyone has their own interpretation including you and me.  Very few horses have push button second moves.  Even me, with my faulty glasses, can see that.

LAZMANNICK 27 Jul 2010 2:17 PM

Ted from LA,

Congrats on finding that article about Dray in the clown suit. Sad, isn't it, when someone goes over the edge like that? I hope they give him probation so he's out of jail in time to watch the Breeders Cup.

Paula,

Certainly, if Quality Road stays healthy and continues to win he would be a tough competitor for Zenyatta in the Classic.

However, it's a matter of record that John Shirreffs was concerned AFTER Quality Road was scratched from the 2009 BCC because QR was the main speed in the race and would have been the only horse to assure a good pace for Zen. So there's that to consider.

CV 27 Jul 2010 3:19 PM

Jason,

Have you heard any news on the next start for Jackson Bend? I thought it might be the Jim Dandy, but Zito is sending Fly Down to that race, and Ice Box is headed to the Haskell.

I know Jackson Bend did poorly in his last start so I hope he hasn't experienced any physical problems.

CV 27 Jul 2010 3:25 PM

LDP : You really need to stop comparing apples and oranges.  St. T ran against Zenyatta in a G1 race, the LS is a 150K ungraded stakes race.  You can only give kudos to QM up to a certain point, this is not the type of horses that Rachel will be facing in the PE and Beldame and the Classic.  I too don't see that 2nd move, I saw one move where he went up to QM just before the final turn then a continuation of Borel working Rachel to let her know she needs to get past QM.  Yes, QM might turn out to be a good dirt horse but her race with Rachel is over, she gave it all she got and managed to stay within 3 lengths of Rachel, that was pretty good on her part.  I believe the Classic splits will be 24 48 and 1:12, which QR and RT will set, and if she rates off of that, she won't get past him and Borel will have to work early on her to get close to QR and RT, then work really really hard when RT takes over at the top of the stretch to get past him and then, sprout wings to hold off Blame and then scream hysterically at Zenyatta telling her to " stay back please!!"

The Whitney field will have Haynesfield, looking forward to the race!

jayjay 27 Jul 2010 3:41 PM

Paula Higgins

    Good analysis of The Classic 2010. In 2009 QR didn't want to run because he hates poly tracks, and felt it was unsafe for him in that race. Only for safety sake was I happy that he scratched knowing that his 2010 on dirt only was likely to be phenomenal. He's a smart, proud, stubborn, and talented cookie. It will take a perfect ride by Mike Smith and a great effort by Zenyatta in The Classic but she is capable if she starts her run early. Don't expect QR to falter unless his fractions are ridiculous. He is the one to beat as I suspect he will show in The Whitney. QR won't excel as much on a wet track but is still capable of winning. QR and Zenyatta could compete with anyone in the past decade. I still think Zenyatta is going to be better on dirt. QR reminds me of Dr. Fager. Zenyatta reminds me of no one. Maybe someone more knowledgable knows of a comparison, someone that came from last everytime.

Dr Drunkinbum 27 Jul 2010 3:45 PM

Quality Road's 58 bullet was amazing but not "unheard of"  Lookin at Luckin also ran a 58 bullet.  In fact, if you look at the times for works this year - they are incredibly fast for quite a few horses.  

TerriV 27 Jul 2010 5:14 PM

Paula, you are right.  Get a clue was not nice and I am sorry.  I am getting tired of hearing how great Zenyatta is when she has never faced the toughest challenge in our sport. G1 males on dirt.  Rachel is 3 for 3 and Zenyatta is 0 for 0 yet people believe she can actually win even though her speed figures tell you she can't get close.  Poly horses don't win big time dirt races in the Summer and Fall.  Believe me when I tell you Zenyatta can barely beat a horse like St. Trinians how dare you or anyone transfer that to a win over Quality Road.  It makes you sound crazy.  But I still love you. Lol.

Draynay 27 Jul 2010 5:25 PM

Jayjay,

Just because something hold the lable of a grade one does not always mean it is Grade on competition. One of the "tomato cans" that RA raced this year Zardana was in that. I'm not saying worship the ground that QM runs on but god, you all act like she flat out sucked and that is not the case. That was her first start on dirt, and quite frankly any owner or trainer would be elated by that performance. They would be encouraged that they could possibly have a nice stakes mare on that surface. You Zen fans are so easy to dismiss, when you don't get the chance. If QM continues to win over dirt in stakes, then what? Was it because she hadn't peaked in the LS yet? Or because RA "bumped" her? BTW, that did not even happen, the head on even proves that.

The competition each has faced this year is very very similar. The division out west for older females is very weak and it happens that, other than Zenyatta, St. T happens to be the best of a lackluster division. RA hasn't been facing the best in her division, however, in the east, UB is rated quite highly, and then many could say she ducked RA in the LS. The race was over a speed favoring track and has a bigger purse. The competition in the Ruffian is coming up just as weak as the LS looked, the only difference is that little lable. The only real Grade one race for filly and mares that is looking like it may matirialize is the PE, which will have FM, LAT, UB, and RA. That is a field that makes the race worthy of that grade one status.

You can say Zen races in grade ones till your blue in the face, but until she, like RA, gets out and faces some real grade one horse in a grade one race, that grade one is just another hollow lable that makes a weak field look pretty.

LDP 27 Jul 2010 5:39 PM

It's  been a little overcast at Del Mar.  Much "buzz" about Baffert's 2 year old Rock So Hard.  He did pretty well for his first time out considering Rock Hard Ten's are not early winners.  Probably aiming for the Best Pal Stakes.

Hollendorfer scores another stakes with Lilly Fa Pootz (Osunitas).

The Usual Q.T.  He looks great and considering a 4th place effort in Dubai and given his race record deserves to be mentioned among the top turf males.

Householder 27 Jul 2010 5:42 PM

Laz,

How do you know that is her preferred surface? I would like to know? Because the way she did in the LS would sujest otherwise. She may have race over turf the majority of her career, but to say it is her preferred surface when she performed like she did Sat is flat out stupid. On turf, the race goes to the one who waits and has the best kick, well leading the whole time certainly isn't really waiting. Yes, I know plenty of exceptions to that rule, however your talking pretty big freak exceptions.

Speed carries a lot farther over dirt, especially at Monmouth and QM proved that. She did not throw in the towl she kept on going and finished nearly 8.5 lengths ahead of every other horse on their "preferred" surface.

LDP 27 Jul 2010 5:46 PM

In ain't easy- when did Churchill become a front runner's paradise?

Footlick 27 Jul 2010 5:52 PM

At 1 1/8 Lookin at Lucky is the horse to beat in the Haskell.  Would like to see him point towards a Breeder's Cup Classic show down with Quality Road.  The Del Mar work was inspiring.

Householder 27 Jul 2010 5:57 PM

There is no sense in trying to beat Evening Jewel right now.  She is just too tough.  She's at the top of the 3 year old filly division just a "nose" behind Blind Luck.

Householder 27 Jul 2010 6:05 PM

"In 2009 QR didn't want to run because he hates poly tracks, and felt it was unsafe for him in that race...."

Dr Drunkinbum 27 Jul 2010 3:45 PM

Dr. D., my theory is the loud helicopter hovering over the starting area freaked out QR, on top of him already being unsettled from the noise of the crowd. The helicopter was so loud you can clearly hear it when you watch videos of the horses loading in the gate and I think it bothered Zenyatta, too.

CV 27 Jul 2010 6:14 PM

After the Whitney no one ...I mean no one ... will want to face Quality Road on dirt at any distance.

Ranagulzion 27 Jul 2010 7:02 PM

Ted from La, I was sitting with 4 other people and I clicked on your Youtube link. I couldn't stop laughing. They all wanted to know what was so funny, so I told them the short version of our fellow blogger Draynay. Sorry Draynay but it was hysterical. Thanks for the link Ted, it made my day.

Dr Drunkinbum, thanks for your comments. I am hoping CV is right that they want a fast pace for Zenny, because they're sure going to get it from QR/Blame.

Paula Higgins 27 Jul 2010 9:13 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum: how about The Grey Ghost?  Native Dancer typically closed from last and won all his races but for one when other jockeys cheated.  I think he is a good comparison for Zenyatta.

2:24 27 Jul 2010 9:31 PM

Ditto Draynay. You are a classic, no doubt about it. You have strong opinions and you take no prisoners. I am a little like that myself. When I was in school, my friends got a cardboard sign that showed a lion sitting in a chair cross legged and underneath it, it said "It is my opinion and it is very true." I have only mellowed a little since then.

Paula Higgins 27 Jul 2010 10:36 PM

Draynay, one more thing. I completely understand your point about how difficult it will be for Zenny to beat QR. I do get that. I am hoping that he doesn't like the distance or that EXTRA, EXTRA gear we haven't seen from Zenny yet shows up, or that she can kick in that long, fast stride sooner and maintain it for the stretch. I do agree that Quality Road is exceptional and a freak.

Paula Higgins 27 Jul 2010 10:46 PM

I don't think Blame would have much to do with the pace. In the Steven Foster, Battle Plan set the pace. Blame came from mid-pack to win the race.

In the BCC, Quality Road would set or press the pace (depending on who else shows up). I imagine that Blame would lay quite a few lenghts back and would get the jump on Zenyatta to start closing on the leaders. (QR, RA, ???, ???)

The rest is left to our imagination. Will QR stay the distance? Will Zenyatta catch up and pass all of them? Will the long stretch run at CD make all the difference as to who stays and who catches up? Your guess is as good as mine... and that's why we bet the race. We all think we know the answer. In fact, none of us do. We don't even know YET who will enter the race. lol!

But it's fun to run it in our heads, the way we THINK it will unfold. In my mind's eyes... Zenyatta wins it by a nose!  :)

Zookeeper 27 Jul 2010 10:58 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum - Silky Sullivan.

merlinmerry 27 Jul 2010 11:26 PM

2:24

Native Dancer actually won the majority of his races from just off the pace. He really wasn't a deep closer. Zenyatta appears to be a deeper closer if you compare their past performances.

Saratoga AJ 28 Jul 2010 12:12 AM

LDP : You are glorifying QM because she raced Rachel.  If she had run in the Apple Blossom this year as her first start on dirt, you'll be labling her as an allowance horse.  Your passion for Rachel is blinding your opinion.  You can't keep holding on to the LS as if it's an important race, it was suppose to be a workout, it was designed for her to get another win.  I would guess that 70% of the Rachel fans are disappointed that she even ran in that race.  Get over it.  I said QM did a good job keeping up with Rachel but she is what she is, she's not in the same level as Life At Ten or the top classic contenders, do you get my point ?  It's funny that you say "you Zen fans are so easy to dismiss" when you're one of the ones that dismisses ALL, not one but ALL of Zenyatta's races this year as weak.  

Are you calling Zardana a tomato can ??  I'm sure you know Zardana beat her in the NO Ladies right ? I don't think QM can match up to that tomato can.  I've never heard any comments anywhere that UB ducked RA in the LS.  UB beat her in a G2 race, I don't think UB's owner and trainer were thinking of downgrading from there and that's why they didn't run in the LS and pointed to the G1 Ruffian.  When horses are performing well, the owners and trainers often would go up in class if their confidence on their horse is high, if not, they drop in class.  Are you suggesting that running in the G1 Ruffian vs. an ungraded stakes is ducking a horse ?  How about the other way around, RA ducked UB in the Ruffian because it was a G1 and a risk of losing twice to the same horse in graded races?  I think that would make more sense than the other way around.

You really need to re-focus your posts, you really are starting to sound like Draynay, who just posts nonsense just to rile up people lol.

Draynay : LOL, now your poly bashing includes the seasons ??  Actually Blind Luck won this summer on dirt (sloppy dirt track even) when she won the Del Oaks.  So can we expect a re-post and say just the "Fall" season ?

Ranagulzion : That means QR will not race after the Whitney, I don't know of any track that would run a race with only one horse in it.  At least, that's what you're saying right ?  NO ONE will race against QR after the Whitney ?

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 12:14 AM

Dr. Drunkinbum:

Carry Back was always a come from behind, deep closer.

Saratoga AJ 28 Jul 2010 12:22 AM

Vigors was a deep closer

Footlick 28 Jul 2010 12:49 AM

Dr Drunkinbum,

With my limited experience, the only horse I've seen who always closed from the clouds was Megahertz. She didn't look anything like Zenyatta. She's a very small chesnut but man! could she run!!! Although a turf horse, in Zen-fashion she gave you a heart attack every time she ran, but unlike Zen she didn't always win... Do you remember her?

Zookeeper 28 Jul 2010 1:18 AM

QR does have a horse he needs to fear,  she is the mare with the great big rear.

She does not come from the East, she comes from the West, and she is a beast.

If you dont like her, You dont have to be her fan, If you dont like her, You must not have like Ruffian.

Take her or leave her, she does not care,  but when she hits the track , you'll know she is there.

She is the best of the best in horse racing today, she loves what she does and she dont like to play,

So, all be prepared for the best of the best, Look out for the big reared girl that comes from the West she is 17-0 , and she is the best of all the rest.

sodapopkid 28 Jul 2010 8:53 AM

LDP

You want to call my comments stupid even when the trainer suggests what her favorite surface is.....I'll give you some advice.....check your own.  At least that's one area where you really are an expert and seem to be consistent all the time.

LAZMANNICK 28 Jul 2010 9:20 AM

Jay jay Ranagulzion is right after the witney the breeders cup classic will have one horse in it because QR will have flames coming off his feet in the witney. Your giong to see chris johnson on the track....

Does anyone else on here think that Looking at Lucky is a good horse but not a great 3 year old?? I think he gets beat in the haskell too many good horses in that race and almost impossible to handicap....Who do you guys like?

In aint easy being good! 28 Jul 2010 10:35 AM

merlinmerry

   I now remember Silky Sullivan. I rember comments about him when I was a kid, and comparisons to winning from last.

 2:24

   I'll have to read about Native Dancer sometime.  

  CV- You are probably right. The helicopter probably sent him over the edge. He was already upset because he doesn't like to run on tracks he's not used to or doesn't like. Running at those speeds, who can blame him. Would you rather drive 80mph on a freeway or a pot hole dirt road ? I'm not saying Pro Ride is a bad track, it's a good track, but in QR's mind it was like that because he wasn't used to it.

Dr Drunkinbum 28 Jul 2010 10:38 AM

TerriV

  It's not just the time for the workout but how they do it. When it comes to betting, you have to be very careful listening to trainers pre-race concerning their horse. Many tend to overstate the horse's ability. Todd Pletcher tends to understate and through experience is one of the few trainers I tend to listen to. This could be paraphrasing but he said QR's work was spectacular and effortless. Lookin At Lucky is no slouch either. He still could very well end up being 3yo of the year.

Zookeeper-Another bullet for Runflatout. A good looking 2yo. I see Zenyatta by two big noses so we finally disagree.

Dr Drunkinbum 28 Jul 2010 10:56 AM

Jayjay,

I'm not glorifying her, I never ever said she was a grade one horse. All I am saying is that she ran extremely well first out over dirt and should be watched to see what she does next time. You dismiss her readily, as if she sucked on dirt before now. Well that's not true. Laz says turf is her preferred surface, when she just threw in a performance on dirt in the LS. If I were her owner I would be encouraged to keep running her on dirt and see just how good she is.

I never said she was a Life at Ten or Zenyatta or whatever top female there is. I NEVER SAID THAT. So do me a favor look a what I say and take it at face value. There is no hidden meaning behind what I say at all. If I say I think Life at Ten is being a little overrated, that is what I think. If I think QM showed she could be a very nice dirt horse and that people should wait for her next race on dirt to reserve judgement, THAT IS WHAT I THINK. It doesn't mean I think Life at Ten sucks and isn't a very, very nice filly. It doesn't mean that I think QM is better than QR.

On Zardana, well no, I'm not, but others have. She is routinely called that by Zen supporters over on NTRA. It aggrevates me that they call her that after she was beaten by RA she is a tomato can, but after she runs against Zenyatta people convieniently forget she ever ran against RA. The "tomato can" was sarcasm.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 11:17 AM

jayjay you have to be kidding.  Queen Martha got a 105 Brisnet Speed Figure.  How can you say anything negative about a horse that fires that kind of number first time on dirt and against the HOY?  Let me know when Zenyatt fires a 105 all year!

Draynay 28 Jul 2010 12:55 PM

Laz,

I love that you have now sunk deep enough to make a personal attack. I never called you stupid, but that remark you made was stupid there is a huge differnce. You are no longer reasonable when it comes to these two horses. Anybody who says anything that even hints that RA is better than Zenyatta, they are not a Zen worshiper and you attack. You know what keep on attack mode and let me know when you finally want to stop sling insults at me, because I'm only a fan, or I'm too young to understand, BS. Get the heck over yourself.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 1:53 PM

A couple of deep closers in dirt-route races:

Buckpasser, when he chose to be, was a deep closer.  In the Travers he was 5th by 12 and won by 3/4L.  In the Arlington Classic (1.32.3) he was 7th by 9 then won by a neck.  In all of his wins he came from off the pace and it was the race scenario  that dictated whether they would stay close and stalk or come from a way out of it.

Another deep closer was Forego who won 10 races when coming from 10 or more lengths back.  Of his 34 victories, he never wired the field.

LAZMANNICK 28 Jul 2010 2:10 PM

Dr Drunkinbum

You can see footage of Silky Sullivan's, I believe 61 length come from behind victory on u-tube.

LAZMANNICK 28 Jul 2010 2:13 PM

As I just heard, Rachel is so 09. The suggestion was to take Zenyatta wherever she is and blow Rachel's doors off.

Everyone, even Asmussen is saying she is a different horse from last year. Steve A said she doesn't have the same burst of speed and acceleration.

Another person suggested that Zenyatta not even bother to go after her, AND these were people who say Quality Road is the best horse right now so it's not West Coast bias.

Laz, not to worry. Just remember this is a teenager whose sole experience with race horses is what she reads and hears from others. This person can't even wager and rarely even steps foot on the track. That's what we have in abundance now days. People who have no experience in a given field thinking they know just how everything is run and done. They read like opinions and try to talk in the same manner, getting the same type of attention?

You see it in the schools. They say kids don't get a good education now? That's because they know it all and don't want to learn anything from those who actually DO know the subject matter they teach or talk about.

Kit J 28 Jul 2010 2:18 PM

LDP : Can you show me where I "dismissed" QM ?  Re-post anything I said that was negative towards her please.  This whole time, I've been saying that she's not in the same level as QR or Life At Ten, two potential opponents that has speed.  Do you even read my whole posts or you just pick things that you think you can twist ?

Draynay : I said to LDP, if QM ran in the Apple Blossom, you would be the other that would call her an allowance horse so please, we all know how you are, stop pretending LOL.

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 2:26 PM

Also LDP, where did I even indicate that she sucked on dirt before now when I know this was her first start on dirt....did you know that ?

Seriously, your post are totally different than what you post in the past.  I've never been to NTRA blogs and probably never will because you mentioned before how worse it is over there compared to here.  

I'm thinking now that your persona in the NTRA blog is flowing over to the BH blog because your last 2 posts to me are pure nonsense, you were putting words in my mouth just to be able to argue with me.

I never dismissed her, nor said that she sucked on dirt so please, re-focus and think like a horse racing fan, not a jayjay hater :)  That's Draynay's title :) LOL

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 2:40 PM

jayjay,

Maybe you are like me by taking saying things outright normally, but I do not read them that way. From what I read it doesn't sound like you are willing to reserve judgment at all and just want to call her a big nobody, when she could become a nice stakes filly on dirt.

You said I glorified her when all I want you, Laz, and everyone else who seems to think she should not even be considered a decent horse, is to wait before you go saying she's not that great and using her as a tool to bring RA down with.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 2:51 PM

Kit,

My sole experience to horses? I worked on a racing farm, I know racing owners who used to be breeders. I own an ex race horse and have been riding for over a decade. I didn't have the chance to follow horses like RA or Zen when I first got started, I stayed because I loved what I saw and kept searching. You know using age as a deterination of knowledge is a form of discrimiation? I'm ready and willing to learn, but trying to shove ideals of Zenism down my throat because I don't agree with you doesn't really teach anything either. I will readily listen when you and every other Zenyatta fantatic decides to be reasonable and actually teach instead of discrimiating against and dismissing me because of my age.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 2:58 PM

A Deep Closer, albeit on Turf, Was DEEP IMPACT. He went last and to the rail in most races, and he always came from out of the clouds. I can not wait for his babies to start running. He was by Sunday Silence.

Hey look, another blog where jayjay, Kit J, and Lazmanlick keep talking to themselves, with an occasional LDP, footlick and Sodapopkid. aren't you all bored with this yet? Just leave it alone. Nothing any of you is going to say or type will change anyone's opinion. Einstein said "The definintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" You all are certifiably nuts.

Jason, have a good vacation. I am going to Kiawah Island tonight. Good luck to all of the horse players out there this weekend. Should be a few good races at Monmouth and the SPA.

Billy's Empire 28 Jul 2010 3:08 PM

Kit J

Cool.....the 2.58 post says it all.

LAZMANNICK 28 Jul 2010 3:46 PM

LDP,

It's not your age... it's your manners. It would be a great improvement if you left out words like "ignorant", "stupid", "dumb" out of your posts. You come off as agressive and belligerent, then you complain when people take objection to your comments. Telling people to "back off" and "get over yourself" does not bring out positive responses. Try following your own "advice" and see if you get better results. :)

P.S. Einstein may have a point!

Zookeeper 28 Jul 2010 4:08 PM

   I was at Monmouth Sat. to cheer on the Champ. I think the crowd was a good size considering the weather. As Terri V said, it was crazy-hot. As in merely standing outside, after @10min, you wanted to be hosed off. Lines for the water fountain to fill bottles and splash water on your face.  

    It was great to meet other huge fans of Rachel A. Two women said they follow her to her races, practically couldn't speak clear when talking @ her. When RA could first be seen in the parade ring, much excitement at the sight of her, what a gorgeous filly. Looks even better than last year. Those I talked to all saw her as their no 1 Star-Celebrity, beating out any actor, actress, recording artist today.

    The Champion won by 3 lengths under a nice hand ride by Calvin. I think he took care of her, that she wouldn't overexert herself in severe heat that even affected the track. The crowd was thrilled. She did what we expected that day. Cheering wildly as Rachel came towards the winner's circle, and again as Calvin outstretched his arms to the sky.  

My Juliet 28 Jul 2010 4:15 PM

Yes LDP, I grew up on a ranch in Colorado where we had a ton of horses. Do I know about the finer points of horse racing? Just from what I read, the conversations I have with race track friends. Being an expert with horses doesn't make you an expert in all breeds or facets. I know a lot of people from the track. I seriously doubt you could go to the track and work without a lot of training.

Do you know anything about wagering other than what you read or your pretend handicapping?

Actually I'm not a Zen fanatic. I much preferred Rachel when I first watched her run in person as a two year old and a three year old. Quote where I have ever diminished the horse's past accomplishments.

You are the overzealous one.

Billy I thought you were on vacation?

I have posted a couple of comments on here. My first comment was to Jason asking if Monmouth had moved to Del Mar or Saratoga, note the title.

As you are so willing to point out to anyone and everyone, this is a blog. A blog is where people express their opinion. What, unless it doesn't coincide with yours?

I do believe YOU are the one who goes back on blogs and posts long after others leave it, you and Draynay where you take your little jabs at people.

What are you the moderator? I seriously doubt that Jason would pass that job onto you, he does an exceptional job with a tedious task.

You on the other hand? Another one who tries to act like they know everything and everyone.

Kit J 28 Jul 2010 4:25 PM

LDP, tune up your reading comprehension before school starts. "sole experience with race horses is what she reads and hears from others. This person can't even wager and rarely even steps foot on the track."

I believe you said your experience was working at a stable where you kept your 'horses'.  I've seen you challenge people with your vast experience. Like it or not kiddo, someone who has been around horses for 60 years is going to know more than someone who has been around them for 10 or even 15 years. Laws of nature.

You also proved my point for me on young people thinking they have nothing to learn from experience.

Kit J 28 Jul 2010 4:30 PM

Kit,

That was one of them many stables i have worked. I once worked at a stable where I kept my horses, but later I worked at a place that was an Arabian racing/breeding farm, but had transitioned into TB racing. People do switch jobs you know.

Also, you prove my point on not willing to teach as does almost every other poster who trys to challenge me. Has it ever occured to you that I might know just a bit more than you think? I'm a very good listener when you don't discriminate based on age or not shoving Zenyatta down my throat enough to make me throw it back up.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 4:38 PM

By the way, you might want to brush up on your reading to. I would love to know where I ever claimed to know about every facet of racing. Heck, in fact,  you will mostly see me post IMO or me say, that I don't know everything.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 4:41 PM

Please LDP, it's embarrassing. I don't discriminate based on age. I get along exceptionally well with a vast number of young people of many ages. You on the other hand, well Zookeeper said it well.

I don't say you don't know more than I THINK, I say you don't know as much as YOU think you do.

I have just one thing to say on the job changing. You're what 17 or 18? How long have you been working and how many jobs could you have possibly had? Maybe there's a reason some people change jobs so frequently?

I didn't ever say you didn't know about horses. I'm sure you're a voracious reader and have had a few years experience. BUT like it or not you've never had experience with horses on the track.

Oh Billy? By the way, we're certifiable? Go back and read the blogs, I've not been commenting long and I never trash the sport I love or the people in it. Can you say the same?

Certifiable? Uh, we're not the ones going to SC in the middle of a deadly heat wave, with a warning issued recently, and to top it off in hurricane season. :)

Kit J 28 Jul 2010 4:50 PM

LDP : Get over QM already.  What is up with you and QM ? Where did this obsession come from ?  Is this your way of justifying the LS race ?  Before this race, you didn't even know anything about QM and I didn't either, you're acting like she's one of the blossoming horses that would surely make an impact.  You are glorifying her because she ran against Rachel.    Be honest, did you know anything about this horse before the LS ?

It's pretty obvious that anytime we "Zen fanatics" say something about Rachel, you seem to automatically assume it was about Zenyatta, you say we're unreasonable when here you are arguing about an ungraded stakes that pretty much everyone assumed she would win handily and by many many lengths.  Even Billy said he'll be shocked if she doesn't win by 10 lengths.  Even Draynay thought she would blow the field away.  Now that one horse came close to her and made her work, you act like this is such an important race.

QM ran the best race of her life so far, will she compete in G1s after this, who knows and I really could care less.  I want to know if Rachel will progress after this race, we'll have to see in the PE how well this race helped her.  The FDL which is a G2, Borel was more worried about fixing his goggles at the top of the turn than the horse on the lead.  He sat on her like he was cruising the california coast whereas in the LS, he looked like he was driving a taxi in NYC working hard to get past all the tourists.

Billy :  I'll enjoy my vacation from you, ya nut :) Have a great time and take your time man, I hope you made enough money for a month long vacation! LOL (that LOL is usually reserved for Draynay but I'm throwing out one for ya) :)

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 5:09 PM

jayjay,

Really, Calvin just sat on RA in the FDL? Really? He threw 8 or 9 crosses at her down the lane in that race. Here the most he did was shake the reins some and wave the whip for about 10 yards.

On QM, if you really refuse to actually read what I say at face value and then try and twist my words whatever. But really, I haven't change, the ones who like to jerk around are you and Laz. Nice one second, slamming me the next. Do me a favor decide which one you want to be, jerk or reasonable, that way I can decide whether or not responding is even a option. I have never change my outlook or the way I post. I post what I think, nothing more nothing less. And to be honest, if you don't like I could still really care less.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 5:53 PM

You all keep thinking I'm the one that starts this. Really really funny. I never said I don't like debating we all know I love it. But seriously, people slam me way more then expect me to take. Well, I'm so sorry to disappoint, it's not going to happen. I respond nicely when you comment like your thinking within reason.

When Laz asks how I'm doing with school and actually talks to me like I'm on level ground with him I talk the same way back. So please lets get something very clear. I can and will be nice, but don't expect that when you sit here and call all of what I post stupid, say I know nothing because of my age, as many do, and try to find many many other ways to discredit what I do know. I know exactly what I have to offer and I refuse to take any more or less respect than I deserve.

LDP 28 Jul 2010 5:59 PM

Come on people!

Let's bReAtHe.  BrEaThE.

Let's imagine that we log on to our computers tomorrow, check the news, and we find out that Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra, God forbid, have been injured or worse.  God forbid.  My eyes now are tearing up at the thought - my heart breaks.

Do the putdowns and the petty remarks really matter then?  I can't imagine so.  Can you imagine your regret?

Remember all the excitement and buildup to the Derby?  Wasn't the news about Tiz Chrome just heartbreaking?  He was going easy, was switching leads, and stepped wrong, according to Baffert.  He's gone.

And the news about Eskendereya?  I was SO looking forward to Esky racing in the Triple Crown series.  Don't you just ache about what could have been?

Let's try to discuss these great horses while keeping our hearts in tune with the big picture.  We are so lucky to have them alive and healthy and cared for and racing.

ruffianruns 28 Jul 2010 6:03 PM

LDP : You're just ridiculous now, I've not said one negative word towards you.  I'm questioning the things you are posting about QM.  Stop acting like you're being attacked, this is a sign of immaturity okay ?  I'm debating with you about QM, you're obsessed with QM.  You accused me of saying she sucked, that I dismissed her, yet you can't answer my question whether you even cared about this horse BEFORE she ran against Rachel.  Stop acting like people are attacking you, you love to debate and when you can't debate, you resort to acting like people are attacking you.  Read the whole thread, you're the one that used the word "stupid", to LAZ even, one of the bloggers here who are pretty knowledgeable about horse racing.

I feel like I'm talking to a kid here...someone help!  I quit! LOL

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 7:18 PM

Lazmannick

   Thanks for the info. 61 lengths !!!! Roger Maris.

Dr Drunkinbum 28 Jul 2010 7:26 PM

You have to like Baffert's chances in the Haskell.  He's won the race three times in the last nine years.

Householder 28 Jul 2010 7:31 PM

I'm bReAtHiNg now ruffianruns, calming down here.  I'll keep my focus on this weekend where IceBox will finally get a chance to show his true self, the Belmont was a definite throwout race.  I think he'll be right up there in the Haskell, I have faith on Lezcano to win the whole thing.  He'll be at a good price.  I think it'll be LAL coming up for 2nd beating SS and FD and possibly Trappe Shot.  I'll put pretty much all of my money on IceBox and singling him on top on all my trifectas.  I'll throw some fitty cent supers with LAL, SS and FD on top but I'll go all in with my $5.00 on IceBox baby!

It's too bad I won't know until after the race starts who Draynay will pick since there's no way to figure who will be the favorite in this race before it runs.  Anyone wanna side bet that it'll be in this order :

FD, then LAL, then his last and final pick will be whoever wins the race.

For the Jim Dandy, I'll put up Fly Down and Afleet Express on top of Aikenite, Winslow Homer and Friend or Foe.  I'm also putting together some tri with Aikenite on top of the other four.

It's only wednesday ?!?!

jayjay 28 Jul 2010 8:25 PM

"Let's try to discuss these great horses while keeping our hearts in tune with the big picture.  We are so lucky to have them alive and healthy and cared for and racing."

ruffianruns 28 Jul 2010 6:03 PM

^This. Look at how many horses have been lost or injured over the past several months. Yeah. All of you who feel compelled to type frantically about "weak fields" need to take a step back.

CV 28 Jul 2010 8:42 PM

LDP,Dray, both seem to start a rant everytime they blog.  

I think you two need to go and drink a cold Guinness like Zen does after a tiring day.  It may help you to take the edge off a little.

'It sure works for Zenyatta'

sodapopkid 28 Jul 2010 9:30 PM

Hey Jaason

VACATION TIME (Aug 1)

Hope you and your family have the best time of your lives.

LAZMANNICK 29 Jul 2010 11:50 AM

Carry Dray with you on vacation Jason.  So we can have a vacation from him.

sodapopkid 29 Jul 2010 12:39 PM

LDP, you are reasonable, you use logic, and you are respectful -- I think you are a smart blogger - I like what I read from you.

skyfire 29 Jul 2010 7:29 PM

Jayjay,

Quality Road is so good that he scares owners and trainers.  Those that are brave enough to compete against him fret about their charges being embarassingly overmatched ...get it?  After QR's exibition in the Whitney only the lure of the multi-million dollar purse will tempt rivals to race against him in the Breeder's Cup Classic.  I think that its very likely that both Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra will square off in the Distaff (Lady's Clasic) out of due deference to 'His Royal Highness' Quality Road (King of the Dirt) after their connnections view his Whitney exibition in awe.  Otherwise he totally steals their thunder and causes the much anticipated clash of the equine queens to fizzle.  Think about it Pal.  Quality Road is a monster ...you'll become a believer after the whitney.

Ranagulzion 29 Jul 2010 7:52 PM

Dr Drunkinbum

Caorrection.....I think it was only 41 lengths.....for something of significance in baseball, wasn't that the year Ted Williams was the last to hit over 400?

LAZMANNICK 29 Jul 2010 11:26 PM

Lazmannick

  It was in the forties. I used to know. You could be right about Williams. I forget which year. Still 41 lengths is amazing. I do think it was .406 for Williams. I just saw a Fugitive TV episode last night, and in the bar they were watching baseball on TV. Warren Spahn was pitching to Maury Wills.

Dr Drunkinbum 30 Jul 2010 9:53 AM

Thanks everyone who responded with closers. Some great ones were mentioned. There are quite a few versatile horses that closed from last sometimes or even most of the time. There are horses that close from last every time or almost every time but they can't win every time. Zenyatta has an amazing will to win. I thought there was no way she could get through that traffic in The Classic. However I do think that maybe she wouldn't have been able to win 17 in a row if every race would have been 8-12 horse fields. It seems she would have been blocked somewhere. But then again maybe she would have won them all. She did prove she can weave through traffic against the best competition in The Classic.

Dr Drunkinbum 30 Jul 2010 10:09 AM

Ranagulzion : I don't question that QR is fast and maybe he is a monster like you say but he has been a "monster" against weak fields up to this point.  The Whitney will definitely show if he's good enough for Zenyatta in the Classic or not.  Zenyatta needs only the best to show up in the Classic, pretenders should stay home, this is the race of champions.

jayjay 30 Jul 2010 11:56 AM

jayjay,

Quality Road doesn't care for his conpetition, whether the field is weak or strong.  This 'monster' races against the clock Buddy ...watch and wonder.

Ranagulzion 30 Jul 2010 1:54 PM

Quality road is a question mark around a one mile oval.  It's a question that a certain up and comer Lookin at Lucky has answered.  Both horses at Churchill I go with Lucky.

Householder 02 Aug 2010 6:31 PM


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