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"I thought I'd never see a horse as good as Kitten's Joy," Dale Romans said. "I'm starting to think this one might be."

"I think he's by far the best 3-year-old and I don't just mean on turf," said Kent Desormeaux.

They were the quotes by Paddy O'Prado's trainer and jockey minutes after winning the Secretariat Stakes on Saturday for his first grade I victory. It was also the third straight graded turf win for the son of El Prado, who has emerged as a star in a little more than five months.

It's pretty amazing to think about what this colt has accomplished in such a short amount of time. Heading into the Palm Beach Stakes (gr. IIIT) on March 6 at Gulfstream, Paddy was winless in four starts, including a third-place finish in a maiden special weight in February. I remember talking to Romans a few days before the Palm Beach and he was very confident about Paddy's chances even though he was a maiden going against winners in a graded stakes. He picked the horse out of the Keeneland September 2008 yearling sale (for $105,000) for owner Jerry Crawford and had been high on him ever since.

As a juvenile, Paddy was beaten a neck by Dean's Kitten in his turf debut and then ran third to Interactif in the With Anticipation Stakes (gr. IIIT) at Saratoga. Despite the defeats, Romans knew he was a special horse that just needed more experience. His words before the Palm Beach gave me confidence to pick him, (which I did on That Handicapping Show), and I was rewarded with a nice 7-1 score that day.

Romans and Crawford always knew Paddy was best suited for turf, but they took a shot on the Triple Crown trail, and rightfully so. Paddy ran huge in the Kentucky Derby and should have been runner-up had it not been for a boneheaded mistake by Desormeaux nearing the wire. (By the way, to Romans' credit, he didn't throw his rider under the bus after the Derby despite having plenty of chances to. He acknowledged Desormeaux's error but did so in a classy way. Romans has stuck with Desormeaux and has been rewarded for doing so).

After finishing sixth in the Preakness, Romans knew it was time to get him back to the turf. All three of his subsequent wins have been dominant, which begs the question, is Desormeaux right? Is Paddy the best 3-year-old out there, not just on turf but on dirt? And, is Paddy on the same level as Kitten's Joy, the champion grass horse from 2004 that Romans also trained?

Obviously, Lookin at Lucky is division leader in mostly people's eyes right now, and deservedly so. But if Paddy wins his next start, the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic (gr. IT) on Oct. 2 at Belmont, Desormeaux's comments might not be so far-fetched. Despite being a 3YO, he would likely go into the Breeders' Cup Turf (gr. IT) on Nov. 6 as America's No. 1 threat and might even be the first 3YO to be favored in that race since...well, Kitten's Joy in 2004.

As far as being compared to Kitten's Joy, it's eerily similar how their 3YO seasons have mirrored each other. Kitten's Joy won the Tropical Park Derby (gr. IIIT) in 2004 to begin his campaign, then won the Palm Beach and American Turf (gr. IIIT), lost by a head in the Jefferson Cup (gr. IIIT), and reeled off wins in the Virginia Derby (gr. IIT), Secretariat and Turf Classic before finishing runner-up in the BC Turf. Paddy also has won the Palm Beach, Virginia Derby, and Secretariat, and will point toward the Turf Classic and BC Turf.

No matter how the rest of the year plays out, one thing is for sure: Paddy O'Prado is a star on the rise--this year and beyond.

 

 

94 Comments:

I disagree with both of them. It's tough to go against Dale Roman's as he trained Kitten's Joy, but I just don't see that spark that Kitten's Joy had in Paddy O'Prado. Kitten's Joy was so explosive and fast to boot with the timer and threw up monstrous beyers.

Desormeaux has always been a little cheerleader, so I take his comments with a grain of salt. Every G1 win he has had he's always called his horse the best. Until Paddy wins the BC Turf, then he should be considered best 3 year old. But Lookin' at Lucky seems to have that all about wrapped up at this point.

The Rock 24 Aug 2010 4:45 PM

I would go further than that and say Paddy O' Prado is the best genuinely US turf three-year-old since Manila to be honest. I give him every chance at the BC. He is beautifully bred for the job on turf and really looks the part. Let's hope he goes for it. Can't have Kittens Joy. She was battered by Powerscourt, a very average Group 1 winner. Time will tell.    

Vince 24 Aug 2010 6:02 PM

I should add that I mean over 12 furlongs, not a mile. I know the US has had any number of top class turf milers.

Vince 24 Aug 2010 6:05 PM

I know they sometimes give racehorses a Guinness as part of their training and diet regimen.  I suggest they not do this with this horse.

Ted from LA 24 Aug 2010 7:16 PM

Prized won the Breeder's Cup Turf as a 3-year old after beating Sunday Silence in the Swaps.  Good luck to Paddy O'.  It certainly is not out of the question.  

Householder 24 Aug 2010 7:23 PM

Very nice horse. But let's wait a moment before saying he's Kitten's Joy.  He was a monster.  I think Romans may be caught up in the moment and is "misremembering" Kitten's Joy a bit.  Also, to me Lookin' at Lucky is the top 3 year old barring something amazing.

2:24 24 Aug 2010 9:02 PM

Ted from LA,

Yes, Guinness is right out for Paddy O'Prado.  I'm sure if he had one, then you'd find him singing pub songs and brawling.

Aluminaut 24 Aug 2010 9:09 PM

Paddy O,Prado is an excellent turf

performer without question,but it,s

hard to buy into the statement of

Kent Desormeaux ''He thinks he is the best 3 year old by far and I don,t mean just on turf''If that were true they woud be thinking about races like the Travers and Breeders Cup Classic for this horse instead of the Joe Hirsch and Breeders Cup Turf.

John T 24 Aug 2010 9:10 PM

I think Blind Luck is the best 3 year old right now. She is amazing and just keeps shipping and winning.

AnneM 24 Aug 2010 9:35 PM

Everyone must remember that we have a "double dose" of Luck from CA...

Dusty 24 Aug 2010 10:01 PM

I agree with John T, he's not a dirt horse.  He should've stayed on turf the whole year and he probably would be unbeaten but you can't fault the owners for going for the TC.  I say he's the 3rd best 3 yr old behind the californians LAL and BL :)  East coast horses always come 2nd to the cali horses.

jayjay 24 Aug 2010 10:37 PM

I love Paddy, but LAL beat him fair and square -- he needs to beat Lucky to be ranked #1.

skyfire 24 Aug 2010 10:52 PM

Skyfire: Dont forget, Paddy beat LAL in the Derby too.

Jason Shandler 24 Aug 2010 10:54 PM

Caracortado has the 3 year-old division locked up.

Ted from LA 24 Aug 2010 10:58 PM

Jason, you have a point -- they need to face each other again -- Re: the Derby I'm not sure that LAL's Derby was anywhere near his best shot given the rail post.  I would be picking him, all things being equal.

skyfire 24 Aug 2010 11:37 PM

Quote from Jason Shandler:

"Dont forget, Paddy beat LAL in the Derby too."

Jason,

Do you mean when Lookin at Lucky was playing hockey and getting checked into the boards?

Just sayin...

Surfcat 25 Aug 2010 12:46 AM

Paddy is making his mark, for sure.

I still admire LAL and wow, Blind Luck!

Freetex 25 Aug 2010 2:48 AM

Thank you so much for this story about Paddy!  This horse has stolen my heart.  I fell in love with him as soon as I saw him in the post parade for the Palm Beach Stakes.  I was at the Blue Grass, about 5 feet away from him in the paddock.  He is a spectacular looking animal, and his connections were having an absolute blast just being there!  I think he would have done well in the Arlington Million if they'd chosen to go in that race instead of the Secretariat.  I'll definitely have a bet on Paddy at Churchill on Breeder's Cup day.  Go Paddy!

Lindsey S. 25 Aug 2010 7:29 AM

Aw, c'mon Ted from LA.  The other horses in the stable might appreciate hearing a little of "Roddy McCorley" at the end of a day.  However, if he launches into "I'll take you home again, Kathleen", cut him off.

berttheclock 25 Aug 2010 8:45 AM

Sidney's Candy, if they can ever teach him to rate, is the best colt on turf...best on synthetics and the best on dirt. His Derby fractions were impossible for 10F...I mean Secretariat's Derby was :25 1/5, :49+, 1:13...the stupid speed duel in the slop SC was waging was 22.6, :46 and 1:10.5...

He reminds me of Lawyer Ron ♥. He will win a grade 1 on all 3 surfaces...he may just do it all in one year...

Rachel 25 Aug 2010 8:53 AM

Jason,

You're right, Paddy did beat him in the Derby....after LAL got slammed into the rail and impeded for the first 3/16th's of a mile. Plus he had post 1. Theworst post position you could ever draw in the Derby.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 9:15 AM

Surfat and Rock: I do remember. I picked LAL to win. But Paddy didnt exactly have a great trip in that race either. Go back and watch.

Jason Shandler 25 Aug 2010 9:48 AM

Jason,

Just watched the replay. Looks like it was Paddy that started the chain reaction that got LAL shuffled! He slammed into Statley Victory who checked LAL against the rail. Paddy looked like he got a decent rail skimming ride the whole way and a hole opened up for him turning for home. For LAL to run 6th was more impressive to me than Paddy checking in 3rd.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 10:28 AM

Rock: Who cares who started the chain reaction? Fact is, they both had bad trips. Glad you thought LAL was the better horse that day. Jerry Crawford thought his horse was better and also collected a $200,000 check. I'd rather be in his position.

Jason Shandler 25 Aug 2010 10:31 AM

Just watched the Preakness. No excuse for Paddy against LAL. He was tracking the latter the whole way and just backed up when LAL made his move. I'll have whatever Kent D. is having. Sounds like nice trip.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 10:31 AM

Paddy is defenitly the best turf horse in America. I think he could have done well in the Arlington Million, but he is not even close to Lookin at Lucky on dirt. He did beat him in the Derby, but Lucky beat Super Saver twice, and if I  remember right Super Saver beat Paddy in the Derby.

DBS 25 Aug 2010 10:33 AM

Jason,

Do you think that Paddy is the best 3 year old on any surface as Kent D claims?

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 10:41 AM

I think LAL is more proven at this point, but Paddy isnt far behind. And I wont make excuses for LAL in the Derby. Paddy had a bad trip too. So did Ice Box, who finished second.

Jason Shandler 25 Aug 2010 10:46 AM

The best 3yo in training, Lookin at Lucky.

The best 3yo IMO was Eskendreya or Take Control, just too bad we have not had a chance to see them showcase their talents this summer due to injury. LAL should win the 3yo eclipse unless Paddy wins the Hirsch and BC TURF. We all know that LAL will not win the classic. If he does, then Zenyatta, Blame, Rahcel, QR, Rail Trip, and other's all got beat. I can't see the future, but I don't see that happening.

Billy's Empire 25 Aug 2010 11:17 AM

I thought that was Paddy I saw at the pub the other night. A real big guy with a horse head, right. Yeah, that had to be him. A real little guy sitting next to him. "Why didn't you let me know the race wasn't over yet?"  "Ouch, that hurt. Why'd you kick me?"  "Cause we should have gotten second !!! Next time let me know the race isn't over yet !!"   That one still hurts. I could of bought a hundred rounds for everyone. Paddy is the best turf horse, and one of the best 3yos. He's not going to beat Lucky on the dirt. They'd be foolish to even try the dirt again with his turf future.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Aug 2010 11:19 AM

Why are you guys bashing paddy for dirt he is not a dirt horse. He has proven that he is a great turf horse. If you go watch all of his turf races you should notice that he is not even breathing hard and kent is not even getting to paddys second gear yet. I think Paddy will go off as the favorite in the breeders cup turf just make sure you box him with the best 2 euro horses and you will win bank!

In aint easy being good! 25 Aug 2010 11:44 AM

Jason,

It's obvious neither you nor your supporters saw Sidney’s Candy course record victory in the La Jolla Handicap. This was the colt's first effort on turf. His splits of 23.10, 45.81, 1:08.91, 1:33.09 & 1:39.52 would have left Paddy in another ZIP Code. Paddy's Secretariat's Victory was achieved on a good turf course with fractions that similar to those Sidney's Candy achieves walking. Paddy is not the best 3YO on Turf and certainly not the best on dirt or synthetic. Sidney's Candy appears to have inherited his sire's speed and tenacity and surely must be the best 3YO colt around. Neither LAL nor Paddy can allow this colt to go in front and set his own fractions as it would spell disaster for both. That said, neither can match stride with him for the first 6F of any race and consequently cannot beat him baring a lackluster effort.

Coldfacts 25 Aug 2010 12:12 PM

With those insane fields, everyone gets a bad trip in the Derby. Lookin at Lucky just got slammed into the rail so many times he couldn't recover from it. So, it's one race. Look at the rest of his record. Best three-year-old, on dirt.

Dusty 25 Aug 2010 12:17 PM

Here we go with Sidney's Candy again. I had to hear about him for two months leading up to the Derby when he had no chance. He was impressive in the La Jolla no doubt, but he is a turf miler, not a distance turf horse. He wouldnt stand a chance with Paddy at 11, 11 1/2, or 12 F.

Jason Shandler 25 Aug 2010 12:19 PM

Coldfacts,

I saw the race. Now let's see if he can string those races together in the coming months. That grass is cut so short at Del Mar I can run a 1:39 8.5 furlongs. I don't doubt his talents, but let's face it, the competition out in California for 3 year old turf horses isn't strong. At least when compared to the one's out East. This coming from a West Coast based handicapper. For BC purposes, I think he'd get smoked in the BC Mile Turf. I'd love to see him in the Dirt Mile, Sprint or Turf Sprint.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 12:27 PM

Glad to see that the connections of Trappe Shot entered the Travers. Drew a nice post (4) and IMO the horse to beat. Didn't see if Fly Down was entered but I assume he would be. Odds should be inflated this time off his clunker in the Jim Dandy.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 12:37 PM

I'd be surprised if the Euro's don't come bustin' out with a slew of horses to compete in the distance turf races this year at the BC. I can especially see the males running the board like they did in Belmont back in 05'.

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 12:41 PM

It's probably a good idea to reserve judgement on just how good any 3yr old is until they've been dead for 5 yrs. [Old racetrack saying]. After all, they do evolve incredibly fast at this time of year so there's no telling how good Paddy is right now or how much better he will be a month from now. One thing is for certain.  He's talented.

Bill Daly 25 Aug 2010 1:55 PM

COLDFACTS,

Welcome to the club ...Sidney's Candy is indeed the #1 3YO colt on Turf and Synthetics.  Paddy O'Prado looks very good right now and is still improving but SC has that extra sparkle of a "special one".  I believe that his "baptism in the mud" at Churchill Downs in the Kentucky Derby should not be held against him in terms of his capabilities on Dirt.  However, right now he looks like a shoo-in for the Breeder's Cup mile (Turf or Dirt).

Ranagulzion 25 Aug 2010 2:00 PM

Jason,

You have been in the game long enough to know that speed kills. I know you ridicule me for mentioning pedigree but this colt does not have a printer’s pedigree. His sire either has or had the WR for a mile of 1:31 flat and holds the Track Record of 1:59 flat for 10F at the old Delmar dirt tract. His dam sire is Storm Cat who has sired many rout runners including Belmont winner and runner up Tabasco Cat & Blur Grass Cat winner . How you arrived at the conclusion that this colt is best at a mile is baffling. He won the SA Derby in 1:48.00 with gentle handing at the end. You are well aware that the older the classy ones get the more they stay on. This colt has the most energy efficient stride patter of the 2007 crop and given his speed the slow fractions of long turf races will allow him to sprint clear when asked. This is not a colt with cheap speed that hangs on for dear life at the end of his races. He is a classy individual whose real potential is yet to be determined. The one thing that has been definitely determined is the immensity of his speed. He covered 7F in 1:20.91 on synthetic and 8F in 1:33.09 on turf. The full extent of his stamina is yet to be determined. However, I am confident that he has the stamina to complement his speed as his pedigree is loaded with stamina influence. He is such an efficient mover that a distance of ground will be a walk in the park. He is the best 3YO colt.

Coldfacts 25 Aug 2010 2:07 PM

JASON,

It would be great to see a showdown between Paddy O'Prado and Sidney's Candy on Turf (1 mile - 1 1/4 miles).  'Paddy' is very versatile and has great tactical speed but 'Sidney' is very explosive.  He will punish front-end challengers and is most dangerous if left alone on the lead.  As one with an eye out for super-talented thoroughbreds, if you can forgive his Derby performance in which he was "fried" on the front end, Kentucky-style, compliments of Yum Brands (LOL), you'd have to admit that this colt SC bears the attributes of a "special one".  I sincerely hope that he stays sound and in training next year.  He could become the heir to Quality Road's throne.

Ranagulzion 25 Aug 2010 2:19 PM

LOl sidneys candy wins one turf race and he is claimed the best 3 year old you guys are crazy. Paddy has already proven himself. You guys get overly hyped with one horse and one race and you want to claim him the best. Get real once sidneys candy faces some better competition and races against some stiff competetion ....then u can call him the king on turf!

In aint easy being good! 25 Aug 2010 2:23 PM

IT AINT EASY,

You are a hindsighter when it cmes to judging horses ...you need to appreciate those with insight and foresight.  Be patient and learn a thing or two my friend.

JASON,

Talking about which 3YO is best, I think that Super Saver jumps back into the reckoning with another win over Ice Box in The Travers.  Also, D'Funnybone will not be denied 3YO Sprinter honours in the King's Bishop over Discretely Mine again (he's beaten that one twice).

Ranagulzion 25 Aug 2010 2:45 PM

Much like Holy Bull, Lookin at Lucky's worst performance on his resume will be that dreaded Kentucky Disaster.  

After the post draw.  Baffert's instructions to Gomez...

(1).  We need to break well.

(2).  We're screwed.

He was running 17th-18th with Ice Box!!!

A COMPLETE toss and if you think Paddy O beat a game Lucky I can't help you.

Lucky fires his best all the time.  I see future HOY honors if not this year...next year.

Householder 25 Aug 2010 2:53 PM

Twirling Candy may prove you all wrong !!!!!

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Aug 2010 2:54 PM

Evening Jewell is no slouch as a 3 year old turf star either.

We'll see how the Usual QT comes out of the Pacific Classic this weekend as he needs to be listed as older turf star possibility.  But I know we're talking about 3 year olds right now.

Householder 25 Aug 2010 3:02 PM

I've liked Paddy from the beginning. He's steady and he's fast enough to do the job. Better than Kitten's Joy? Too soon to tell but it wouldn't surprise me. It's nice to see turf stars starting to rise again this side of the ocean. I know they're different but hey - life's a learning process anyway, right? I enjoy seeing them run on the original natural surface. Hats off to Paddy! I'll cheer him home any day - including BC day!

Convene 25 Aug 2010 3:03 PM

Obviously it won't happen but would love to see an Admiral Alex, Afleet Express, Afleet Again trifecta in the Travers.

2:24 25 Aug 2010 3:08 PM

Sidney's Candy an absolute threat to do serious damage at perhaps 1 1/4 miles. ... Enough said.

JerseyTom 25 Aug 2010 3:17 PM

I don't see how Sidney's Candy can be called the top three yeat old after just one impressive race.

DBS 25 Aug 2010 3:19 PM

paddys a fine horse. but lets give super saver one more chance in the travers.

timmyparkerson 25 Aug 2010 3:58 PM

Uh, correction: Kitten's Joy was interfered with by Better Talk Now and had to check in the stretch. 2004. Lone Star Park. IMHO, the best turf horse did NOT win that day...

goodwin 25 Aug 2010 4:59 PM

What is desormeoux smoking. best 3 year old right now, Looking at lucky.hands down.

tank 25 Aug 2010 5:33 PM

Ranagulzion,

As usual I look forward to your Todd P plug. Super Saver will not win The Travers. As I have indicated to you before, he is average at best. There is a colt in the race that I would like you to spend some time on. He is the most improved 3YO colt right now and his last race suggests that he will be tough in the Travers. The colt is Miners Reserve. He was fancied in a number of derby preps but disappointed badly. His Jim Dandy run should convince everyone that this son of Mineshaft got the perfect prep for the Travers.

He is bred for a 10F and I find is puzzling that he has so much speed. He set the fractions in the JM i.e., 23.32, 46.80, 1:10.82, 1:35.11. He finished up in about 1:48. He got plenty of action in the Florida Derby and came in last. That race was run on a fast Gulfstream Park surface in 1:49 plus. The time in the Jim Dandy was 1:47.98 a full two seconds faster than the FL Derby. This colt’s sire Mineshaft was no sprinter and his dam sire Forty Niner won the Travers. His second dam sire is the renowned grass router Sir Ivor. He should be able to carry his speed for 10F if covered up early and ask to run late. It is an injustice to use him a as rabbit for the ice trucks Fly Down and Ice box as he will proven to be better than both. Irrespective of what his predetermined role in the race is, he should win as the stamina in his pedigree was flashed in the Jim Dandy and that race has opened up the Jets.

Coldfacts 25 Aug 2010 6:04 PM

DBS,

Sidney's Candy may not be the best 3yr old in the country but he's had more than one impressive race. He won the San Vicente-G2, the San Felipe-G2 and the Santa Anita Derby G1. Not too shabby!

Zookeeper 25 Aug 2010 6:09 PM

No doubt Paddy is top quality.

But, in the immortal words of Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction: ”Well, let's not start .... quite yet.”

Let’s at least wait for the Hirsch.

- Peace

Virgil Fox 25 Aug 2010 6:48 PM

Paddy is not shabby. But I still like LAL as the best 3 yr old.

Paula Higgins 25 Aug 2010 8:09 PM

Zookeeper,

I guess the San Vicente and San Felipe could pass for impressive, but if Lucky would have had a good trip in the SA Derby he would have beaten Sidney's Candy.

DBS 25 Aug 2010 8:10 PM

I would bet on Sidney's Candy at 1 1/4.  His Papa had the highest Beyer of 2003 setting a track record.  An now Sidney's Candy holds 2 track records of his own. Stakes proven...he's hardly a fluke.  The Kentucky Disaster may be his one blemish to his resume as well.  I say set him loose against Quality Road.  Let him push QR around a 1 mile oval a bit.  That's the race I want to see.

Householder 25 Aug 2010 8:18 PM

coldfacts

Miners Reserve's better races were when calvin borel rode him. other then that he not that good.

thomas 25 Aug 2010 9:03 PM

LaL is the best 3yo by far and Paddy won't be anywhere near close to the Euros in the Breeders Cup Turf,he's too slow.

Lars 25 Aug 2010 9:07 PM

One thing that seems to be overlooked here is that Lookin At

Lucky is a very late May foal.And as we all know no matter what all 2

year olds turn 3 on Jan 1st,which means Lucky still had 4 months to go on the first Saturday in May to reach that age.Because of his poor draw due to the eary bumping I thought he ran an excellent race the way he was coming on at the finish,something that was borne out when he came back to win the Preakness and what a mature looking

horse he was when he won the Haskell.Perhaps the most famous May foal was Northern Dancer who did win the Kentucky Derby and Preakness before an absoulute horrible ride by Bill Hartack in the Belmont destoyed his chances of the triple crown.Northern Dancer

never ran as a 4 year old but went

on to become one of the greatest sire and sire of sires of all time.

Whether Lucky goes on to run at four or not or they decide to send

him to stud,just like Northern Dancer before him I expect him to have a lasting impact on the sport

of thoroughbred racing.If the connections of Paddy O,Prado think

they have the better 3 year old by far regardless of surface then why don,t they run against Lucky on dirt and let,s find out.

John T 25 Aug 2010 9:12 PM

I would like to complement the trainers of LAL and Paddy for campaigning them through a grueling Triple Crown (2/3 anyways), and being able to have their horses win during the summer. I think Paddy is the most versatile of the three year olds and that should count towards a championship.   It will be interesting to see if LAL and Paddy can keep it up and win in their respective Breeder's Cup races.

Rachel and Summer Bird had top summer form after the TC.  Neither of those two continued at that level this year -- I hope Rachel can reach her best, starting this weekend.

skyfire 25 Aug 2010 9:17 PM

Long shot special for the Travers, a horse with only one race a MSW in 1.49.3 at Saratoga is Admiral Alex.

LAZMANNICK 25 Aug 2010 9:38 PM

As much as I love her, I can't see Rachel winning the Personal Ensign on Sunday.  Saratoga is not kind to pace pressers going two turns. All meet long horses with her running style have been getting caught in the stretch by closers. Unless she is at her very best she will come up short st this demanding distance on this tiring track. I would like to be proven wrong.

Bill Daly 25 Aug 2010 10:07 PM

Best 3 yr old is LAL, unless he loses the rest of his races this year, he has the eclipse locked up.  I don't even know why Paddy is being compared to him.  Paddy can't win on dirt or synthetic against the top 3yr olds this year but he can destroy them on turf.

jayjay 25 Aug 2010 10:52 PM

Jason,

Nice article on the Traver's today. Its funny, I was watching video's of Soviet Problem today and found a race in 94' in the Camilla Urso Handicap at Golden Gate Fields where the Dam of A Little Warm, Minidar upset Soviet Problem by a head with Vann Belvoir aboard. Thank goodness for Youtube. I can reflect on the good ol' days when I was just getting started, at the age of 11. lol. That was when Northern Cal had a respectable jockey colony. Baze, Belvoir, Boulanger (the killer B's as my brother and I referred to them as), Roberto Gonzalez, Tom Chapman, Brian Campbell, Ron Warren Jr, Ron Hansen, Marco Castenada....good times...

The Rock 25 Aug 2010 11:52 PM

Both Northern Dancer and Lookin At Lucky have the exact same birthdate - May 27. Other than both colts having the same birth day, being bay and very precocious I think it is a little premature to stamp LAL as the next super sire. Remember that Cigar, George Washington and Black Gold were all heralded as the next super sire upon their retirement. Nothing is certain.

Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with LAL's sheer determination and over all toughness. A lot of horses would have given up after being slammed around in two consecutive races, The Santa Anita Derby he finished a strong 3rd & the KY Derby a game 6th in the malt o'meal-like slop. LAL fought back both times and didn't let it bother him. WOW!

Paddy O' Prado and Sidney's Candy were also very impressive on the lawn. Paddo O' Prado has proven himself a few times on grass and Sidney's Candy just started his career on turf. The last race they ran on different types of courses, good vs. firm, so it's basically impossible to really compare the two horses performances. Some horses prefer softer ground over harder and vice versa. But experience means a lot to me so I am more inclined to pick POP over SC, but not by much. It's tough to dispute the new track record for SC. He did it so easily. If I were picking the horse that is the most versatile over all three surfaces I would have to pick Sidney's Candy.

This game is rarely about comparing apples to apples, especially when the horses run at different tracks. Even when comparing horses from the same race people seem to see different qualities about each one. The debate continues!

Fuzzy Corgi 26 Aug 2010 1:30 AM

COLDFACTS,

Your position on Super Saver is no surprise as we all know that you've been a Todd P/Super Saver detractor since the Triple Crown trail.  You were wrong in the Kentucky Derby and I see that you're not shy to come here and give an encore performance (LOL).  Let me tell you that SS was short of work in the Haskell.  Todd Pletcher has him super fit and primed right now for sweet redemption, so watch out.  Your selection Miner's Reserve is safely held by his nemesis A Little Warm, plus, the fact that he comes out of the number one hole means that he'll have to hit the front from the gitgo and try to take the shortest route home with another "bridesmaid type" First Dude pressing the pace ...sorry COLDFACTS but that "miner" will have no "reserve" when the field turns for home.  Super Saver under Calvin Borel will stalk and pounce, then the race will be on for second.  If there were to be an upset I would look at an under-the-radar improving colt whose "jets" was opened going two turns for the first time in the Jim Dandy.  He was staying on very well, is bred for the distance and packs a good turn of foot ...Super Saver may not be your friend but this colt piloted by Rajiv Maragh should not be your foe.  Good luck to you bro.

Ranagulzion 26 Aug 2010 2:11 AM

Lookin at Lucky deserves to be ranked as the #1 3 year old right now.  A classic win far outweighs any of Paddy's wins, and Lucky also has the Haskell, and a solid gr.2 in the Rebel.  Also, he has obvious excuses in his 2 losses.

LaL doesn't have the 3 year old Eclipse wrapped up, however.  There are a number of scenarios that could produce a number of Eclipse possiblities.

Paddy is certainly a contender for both the 3 year old and turf male Eclipses.  Personally, I think he's a stronger contender for the turf male award given all of his stakes wins have come on turf; while that 3rd place finish in the Derby speaks to his class, it's not like he won the race or either of the two other classics.  That said, if he wins the Joe Hirsch and BC Turf and the 3 year old dirt stars get roughed up by the older horses, Paddy just might pull a Gio Ponti and win both awards.  

Can Paddy win both the Hirsch and BC Turf?  I do think he fits with the better US based older turf horses, given Gio has lost a step, so the Hirsch is a very real possibility.  While Paddy fits with the top older turf males,  I'm not ready to proclaim Paddy the clear #1 American turf horse, and I don't think he's in the same league as Kitten's Joy.  Kitten's Joy was running fast times and much stronger Beyers than Paddy(Kitten ran 108 in the Va Derby and 113 in Secretariat), and he was having to beat tougher competition given the 04' crop of 3 year old turf males included Artie Schiller(favored for that year's BC Mile, winner of that race in 05'), Prince Arch, and Greek Sun.  And whereas Kitten's time in the Secretariat was superior to the corresponding time of the 04' Arlington Million, Paddy's Secretariat time was about 7 lengths slower than Debussy's time.  If I had to choose, I would probably still take Gio Ponti over Paddy, and I think Paddy will be in deep water if any of Europe's top 12 furlong turf horses come over for the Breeder's Cup.

One thing I think should be clear is that Paddy deserves to be ranked as the #1 3 year old turf male. Simply, his accomplishments on turf tower over any other 3 year old.  Some have suggested Sidney's Candy is the best 3 year old turf horse, and while he is clearly talented, his accomplishments on turf pale in comparison to Paddy's; if there was an Eclipse award for 3 year old turfer, Paddy would be a huge frontrunner based purely on accomplishment.

Is Sidney's Candy, however, the superior turf talent? On this question I concur wholely with Jason.  Sidney's Candy is very talented and an exciting prospect for the Breeder's Cup, but for the Turf Mile; Sidney's Candy is a turf miler, and beyond 8.5 furlongs he would likely find Paddy too tough.  

GunBow 26 Aug 2010 2:15 AM

I hear Paddy O'Prado is a "Black and Tan" fan.  Super Saver beat both LAL and Paddy O'Prado in the Derby.  In fact, I like SS in the Travers.  Only horse to win at the classic distance and all the entries will carry 126 lbs.  A Little Warm carrying eleven more pounds then he did in the Dandy is the favorite?  

I like Rail Trip in the Pacific Classic!  My Bad.........

Looking forward to my first trip to Saratoga!

Trebloc 26 Aug 2010 8:15 AM

I think Paddy O is great on the turf...but considering the BC will be open to Euros...I don't know that he'll top Debussy or Goldikova.  Aren't Twice Over and Midday also headed to the BC?  Best 3 yr old...LAL, no question. And the filly is Blind Luck.  Both West Coast super stars.  However, I'm still pining for the return of Take Control...I thought he was really special.

Slew 26 Aug 2010 9:13 AM

Any word on LAL?  Will he still be able to make the PA Derby?   I know he tends to comeback stronger then ever after suffering from a head cold to flu.

Trebloc 26 Aug 2010 10:44 AM

Slew- as far as I know Debussy will be back for the BC and it is the target for Twice Over.  Also Rip Van Winkle has been mentioned as possible.  Midday and Stacelita are being pointed for the BC Filly/Mare turf.  Midday will prep in the Vermeille or the Opera and I think Stacelita will prep in the Opera.  Others will pop up I'm sure as the time nears.  Of course Goldikova for the Mile and I thought that I read that Makfi may be considering a BC trip also.  I can't remember about Paco Boy.  They might be on the fence.

Footlick 26 Aug 2010 11:09 AM

Paddy O'Prado reminds me of another great gray horse who won the Breeders Cup Turf, Daylami. I think Daylami enjoys his Guiness as well. I really like Paddy a lot. He is a young colt with enormous potential, not to mention a nice pedigree. He will succeed his sire rather nicely in the breeding shed. God willing he will remain healthy and be a turf monster next year when he is 4. If he gets an Eclipse this year it will most likely be for 3 yr old Turf Male. I have to agree with everyone who said Sidney's Candy won't want more then a mile.

The Breeders Cup turf is not setting up to be a cake walk. There will be some heavy hitters coming from Europe. I'm sure, without the synthetic surface that attracted a lot of the Euro's over the past two years, they will most likly be sending their horses to the grass, not dirt. They will be tough to beat. I will be happy if he hits the board and comes back to the barn safely. I want to see him race next year.

Criminal Type 26 Aug 2010 11:18 AM

Why on earth does anyone talk about Sidney's Candy ?  Rachel wins again and takes another step on Sunday towards a repeat of the HOY.  2 wins at 1 1/4 will seal the deal. Go Rachel !!!

Draynay 26 Aug 2010 1:41 PM

Jason, please tell me why people still pretend on here that Super Saver will win another race this year?  He is another FLUKE like the Fluke winner last year. Leave it alone and back a horse who can win a race.

Draynay 26 Aug 2010 1:47 PM

Dray off of QR back on Rachael huh. Back and forth you go! haha anyone want to a good post go above and read gunbow's post. Well said my friend and he is right Sidneys candy is a miler at best you guys think he can go longer are clearly california dreamin! Paddy is a beast and is getting better and better!

In aint easy being good! 26 Aug 2010 1:56 PM

Draynay,

Maybe the Kentucky Derby is turning into a joke, if the prior to winners are so god awful.  LOL....

Trebloc 26 Aug 2010 2:01 PM

Paddy O'Prado walked his 1/2 mile in over 52 seconds, his mile in 1:42, and finished the 1 1/4 in just under 2:05 last out. A couple of races later they went 15 lengths faster at the mile and 8 lengths faster at the finish. If POP is going to catch up to those types they need to shove some jet-fuel up his rear end and light it on fire.

Life At Ten is going beat up RA this weekend.

Fan In The Stands 26 Aug 2010 2:38 PM

Kentucky Derby is a joke

paddy o prado was great up untill his last win--needs his mdn win race back

steve s 26 Aug 2010 4:42 PM

coldfacts

looks like miners reserve wont even run in the travers according to tvg. if he goes he'll be rabbit for ice box.

thomas 26 Aug 2010 5:44 PM

It's looking like a lock that Ted from LA is going to be the next President/CEO at the Bloodhorse.  Jason, be a dear, and run and grab me a cup of coffee while I make this decision.

Ted from LA 26 Aug 2010 7:15 PM

I think Rachel romps in the Personal Ensign.  

2:24 26 Aug 2010 9:10 PM

        Paddy O' Prado should be kept on turf , He has an excellent chance to become Male Turf Champ ! He'll be hard to beat if he's entered in the BC Turf ! I'll give Trappe Shot another chance in Saturday's Travers . He ran second to LAL, I still think he's the class of the race along with First Dude . I'd like to see " The Dude "win for a change !

Pedigree Shelly 26 Aug 2010 9:56 PM

Ranagulzion,

Many thanks for your evaluation of Miners Reserve. I think you are dead wrong as this colt ran a shocker in Jim D signifying his arrival on the big stage. He was always thought to be a talented colt and I think he is now realizing his true potential. As for the derby, Ice Box was an unfortunate looser. Given the state of the track o Derby Day, SS will have to validate his victory by a least beating some of the top 3YO colts. If he is incapable of doing this his victory will be validated as a fluke.  

The stats do not look good for SS. Only two derby winners have won the Travers in the last 56 running (Thunder Gulch/Sea Hero) In spite of the powerful stable maintained by the ‘Chosen One’ (Todd P) over the years, his entrants have only managed one victory ( Flower Alley) Even if the historic record of derby winners and the trainer are ignored, the current status of your stable must be cause for concern. The big filly was soundly beaten and the monster older male had no one to blame for his surprising loss in a race with early fractions consistent with those of claimers. Your stable is clearly under a cloud and I suggest you fine a nice charity and donate the funds you are intending to wager on SS.

Thomas

Triple Crown winner Sir Barton was entered in the 1916 Derby as a rabbit for his stable mate. He was still a maiden at the time. He performed his rabbit duties by going straight to the. However, he was never relinquished his lead and created a massive upset. What is the moral of the story? Rabbits are fast and not all stop to take a nap during a race.

Coldfacts 27 Aug 2010 7:36 AM

Congrats Ted in LA on your new job.

That means you will be Jason's boss? Ted

sodapopkid 27 Aug 2010 11:53 AM

Coldfacts,

Street Sense......Get your facts straight!  LOL.........

Trebloc 27 Aug 2010 11:53 AM

When PADDY kicks it in the stretch, and soars over the turf, jetting to the finish line... OH!!!! Be still,my  heart! Absolutely thrilling.

Gotta Love The Boy.

Otherlyn 27 Aug 2010 12:24 PM

I find the comparisons between U.S and European horses fascinating. Paddy O'Prado has a sparkling career ahead of him, there's no doubt about it. He'll go far in the horsemeat trade.

The best 3yo on any surface? Are you nuts? Here's a list of better ones:

Makfi

Canford Cliffs

Workforce

St Nicholas Abbey

Snow Fairy

Cape Blanco

Lope De Vega

Lookin at Lucky

Incidentally St Nicholas Abbey is being readied for a tilt at the Breeder's Cup Marathon. If capable of reproducing 2yo form, the rest are running for 2nd place. Remember the name, and I'll bet he's enormous odds on your side of the water.

Danny from UK 28 Aug 2010 3:31 PM

Danny fron UK- I saw that about St Nicholas Abbey prepping in the race on synthetic.  I just figured it was a conditioning race.  I thought they might try him in the Classic.  I also Sarafina is worthy of your list of 3 yr olds.

Footlick 28 Aug 2010 4:09 PM

Coldfacts: Gee you're back.  Wasn't it you who proclaimed before the Kentucky Derby that no AP Indy or Pletcher horse could win it based on YOUR statistics.  Bleep! Wrong again.  

Since most of the colts in the Triple Crown races were by Mr Prospector or Seattle Slew or both, you couldn't help but lose your own argument.

Slew 30 Aug 2010 11:22 AM

For Kent to say Paddy O' Prado is the best 3 year-old by far is a bit outlandish. I think Paddy has dominated the three-year old turf scene, with great ease so far. But I also feel, he's schooled a weak division of 3-year-old turfers. I can't see him beating older horses like Chinchon, Gio Ponti, or even The Usual Q.T., later on in the season at Churchill. Plus, if he does go in the Turf Classic like some have been mentioning, he'll have to face top European horses as well. It's a tough task trying older in the Breeders Cup, perhaps he should try older first, before entering those waters.

In my opinion Lookin at Lucky is the best 3-year old in the country. His win in the Preakness. And his dominating victory in the Haskell, were ultra impressive. He displayed pure grit, heart, determination and dominance in his last two races. The son of Smart Strike is all heart, he's what us racetrackers call, a real racehorse! If you put Paddy o' Prado on a fast dirt track, and match him up with Lucky, he would have a hard time keeping up, as evident in the Preakness. If you look at the Kentucky Derby more closely, maybe Paddy O' Prado's third place finish wasn't as impressive as once perceived. Look at the way Super Saver, and Ice Box have raced since the Derby. It makes LAL's Derby nightmare more like Lookin at an Abberation. As for Super Saver and Ice Box, perhaps their finishes were more of a fluke.

Take notice of how Paddy O' Prado's success has been on the Turf, not dirt. My assertion to why he's had more success than the top two finishers of the Derby is because he's had to use less energy in Turf races, than he would've had to, if he was still racing on the dirt. The Kentucky Derby's sloppy conditions, which produced a final quarter in 27 and change showed just how taxing the Churchill Strip was on runners that day. Remember  Paddy was stopping bad at the end of the mile and a quarter classic. Thats where his distance limitations on dirt were exposed. Good move by his trainer for putting him on a surface more suitable to his running style and breeding. And also, for taking a stab at the Derby and collecting the show dough. That's a nice check to get. But I feel POP seems best at mile and 1/8, on the green.  

One final note: Usually the Best 3-Year-Old of The Year is awarded to those who win the Top Dirt Races of the year.      

SPLITS OF 12 30 Aug 2010 9:06 PM

can someone please tell me when the next shooting star will happen?

blessing 01 Nov 2010 7:18 PM


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