Classic City

Move over Zenyatta, Blame, Quality Road, and Lookin At Lucky. You may have company in the form of a Japanese invader.

Espoir City, a speedy 5-year-old horse by Japanese stallion Gold Allure, who was a son of Sunday Silence, is being pointed to the Breeders’ Cup Classic (gr. I) on Nov. 6 at Churchill Downs. The connections have had the plan in place since early this summer after Espoir City won his sixth consecutive race. Trainer Akio Adachi and jockey Tetsuzo Sato made a scouting trip to Churchill Downs in July to get a feel for the racetrack their star will be running at.

Considered the best dirt horse in Japan, Espoir City is a two-time group I winner, including the Japan Cup Dirt last year. He is two-for-two so far in 2010 and overall is 11-3-1 from 19 starts with earnings of more than $5.8 million. He will prep for the Classic in the Oct. 11 Mile Championship Nambu Hai in Japan, the same race he won by four lengths a year ago. A week later he will ship to Churchill to prepare for the Breeders’ Cup.

Espoir City is a front-running type horse, but has won from the stalking position, like he did in the February Stakes (click here for video). He won just one of his first seven starts on turf, but has become dominant after being switched to dirt, where he has lost just twice since August, 2008. Most of his races have come at eight or nine furlongs.

The Japanese will have a second Breeders’ Cup starter with Red Desire, who shipped to Aqueduct earlier this week for the Oct. 2 Flower Bowl (gr. IT) at Belmont. The 4-year-old filly, who has earned more than $3.5 million, will point toward the Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf (gr. IT). Her connections are completely different from Espoir City’s.

On Friday, Japanese Racing Association senior manager Yutaka Yokoyama took a few minutes with me to answer questions about Espoir City.


JS: Who are the owners of Espoir City?

YY: They are Yushun Horse Club. They are a large racing partnership, similar West Point Thoroughbreds in the United States. Yushun Horse Club recruited 500 members for him with $250 each.

JS: When did they start thinking about the Breeders’ Cup Classic?

YY: First, they considered the Dubai World Cup in March. But they gave up on that idea because Meydan has a synthetic racetrack, not traditional dirt. After that they thought about the Breeders’ Cup. Espoir City is the best dirt horse in Japan. They are eager to challenge the biggest international races.

JS: Espoir City likes to run on the lead, correct?

YY: Yes, he runs on the lead or just behind the leaders. He doesn’t have to have the lead. (For the Breeders’ Cup), he might take the lead or stay just behind Quality Road.

JS: He has never raced beyond nine furlongs. Is the added distance a concern for the team?

YY: I would say that is the biggest concern—the distance of the race. There are no 10-furlong group I races on dirt in Japan anymore. But his pedigree gives us hope. His sire won at that distance and his broodmare sire (Brian’s Time) was an American horse. I think he is suited for the race.

JS: The horse has also never shipped out of Japan. Is that a concern?

YY: Not really. We are more concerned with the distance of the race.

JS; What about the prospect of facing the best American horses at Churchill Downs?

YY: There is no competition for him over here, so we are looking forward to a great race like the Breeders’ Cup Classic. Two years ago we tried to make it with Casino Drive, so that was very disappointing for us.

JS: What are your thoughts on Zenyatta?

YY: She is a great horse. She has never lost. If the Breeders’ Cup Classic was held at Santa Anita again she would have another very good chance. With the race being on traditional dirt, I think other horses have a better chance to win.

JS: What about Red Desire? Are you hopeful of her chances?

YY: We are very excited. She was third in the Japan Cup last year as a 3-year-old. I think she has a much better chance to win in the United States because of that. And as you know, she has already shipped well. She won in Dubai (in the Al Maktoum Challenge-Round 3 in March).

JS: Would you say you are more confident in Red Desire than Espoir City?

YY: I personally am more confident in her.

JS: As far as Espoir City, does he need to win his Oct. 11 prep race in order for the connections to continue with their Breeders’ Cup plan?

YY: I would say he needs to run well. If he placed second or third I think that would be fine for them to proceed with their plan. If he placed 10th or 11th I think they would reconsider.



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Southern Chris

Very interesting. It's always great to see foreign horses not from Europe compete at the "World Thoroughbred Championships" which is more like the "Mostly Americans with a few Europeans Championships."

17 Sep 2010 1:14 PM

Yay!  Breeders' Cup = World Cup.  (another football -- sorry, soccer -- reference.)

Seriously, it's good to see that WORLD class horses are considering the BC.

(except that it's the return of the NAm Sunday Silences to the land of their ancestors)

17 Sep 2010 1:18 PM

don't over-look these japanese horses.

17 Sep 2010 1:22 PM

Sounds great.  This is why the powers that be need to be careful with what races they pick for the win and your in.  When you have grade 3 races as Win and Your In, it may at some point keep a promising overseas horse out.

17 Sep 2010 1:28 PM

Save your money and stay in Japan. Zenyatta is going to eat these boys for dinner that day.....

17 Sep 2010 1:32 PM

What strikes me most is the honesty with which he answered your questions and his openness in giving his opinions.  Very refreshing.  Well done on this interview.

17 Sep 2010 1:51 PM

This is a welcome development. It'll make for a true pace of the race. Somewhere John Shirreffs is saying "Yes!".

By the way what happened to Furioso?

17 Sep 2010 1:52 PM

I just watched some videos of him and he looks to be the deal. The pace scenario would be the main thing. I hope Regal Ransom goes to the Classic again to setup some good speed.

17 Sep 2010 2:24 PM
Abdulaziz Alyosef (KSA)

Espoir City is the top horse on dirt field in Japan so it is Supposed to send hem to USA to get a big challeng.

Red Desire is strong filly , we remember her prformance when she came second behind Gloria De Campeao in UAE ,so all these horse will got a good chance in the Breeders’ Cup .

17 Sep 2010 2:33 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Thanks for that video link Jason. Looks like 11-1 to 15-1 for The Classic to me. Maybe as low as 8-1. I can't see Espoir City winning The Classic. Looking forward to Octorber 2nd. Lookin At Lucky at Indiana. How he comes out of the race is the key. He has the talent to win The Classic if ready. Then Blame and Rail Trip at Belmont in The Jockey Club which is a huge race for Rail Trip. He has to prove he can compete in The Classic, dirt and 1 1/4 against that caliber of competition. Then Rachel is running that day in The Beldame. With a monster run and coming out of it really good, they still might go to The Classic. I don't believe they've ruled it out. Then Zenyatta is running in her tuneup at HP the same day(no wise cracks from the Peanut Gallery).

17 Sep 2010 3:25 PM

I like seeing international horses at the breeders cup, but he shouldn't prove very much competition for Blame.

17 Sep 2010 3:30 PM

The more good horses in the Breeders Cup Classic the better.  When Zenyatta crosses that finish line first it will only confirm what many of us already know.  No one can beat the Queen.

There is only one Queen.

17 Sep 2010 3:38 PM

Haven't heard Casino Drive mentioned in awhile. Has he been retired? Also, I agree with 2:24- love the honesty and willingness to answer the question. How refreshing!

17 Sep 2010 4:07 PM

Zenyatta can take 'em...

17 Sep 2010 4:17 PM
Jason Shandler

BTW, for all you football players, my top picks for Saturday are UConn -6 and Akron +24.5. Way too many points for UK to be giving.

17 Sep 2010 4:28 PM

Great interview Jason.  He sounds very smart and I am shocked he didn't start laughing when you mentioned Zenyatta.  For the record nearly everyone thinks Zenyatta is a synthetic only performer in Japan. Pretty much like everyone else outside of California.

17 Sep 2010 4:37 PM
Ted from LA

Have you all heard the news?   Zenyatta is listed in Oprah Winfrey's  2010 Powerlist, the most influential women and earnings....

PJJ 16 Sep 2010 6:00 PM

If it is a contest regarding 2010 earnings, I'd bet on Oprah.  If it's a race, bet everythig you have on Zenyatta to beat Oprah (unless of course, Dray takes Zenyatta... in which case I recommend just watching).  I wonder who they would get to ride Oprah?  Her friend Gayle?

17 Sep 2010 4:42 PM

Great interview Jason!

I hope he makes it as I'll be glad to see some more speed in the race, but I really don't think he'll be a factor.

His best RPR (Racing Post ranking) this year is 123 for his February Stakes.  He's tied with Zenyatta (her Apple Blossom on dirt), but since her running style disguises her greatness, IMO, her number will be low until she faces better horses.  The highest RPR on dirt this year is QR's 130 for his Donn, Met, and Whitney.  I think Zen has a 124 this year on the synthetic.

Espoir City's best RPR last year - I think - was 121 for his Japan Cup - making him Japan's highest rated dirt runner.  Zenyatta's best last year was the 128 she received for the BCC.

He's never been ranked very high in the World Rankings with a 118 for the February, whereas Zen has a 125 for the Vanity.  QR has a 128 and Blame a 124, both for the Whitney.

Granted, he's a world class horse, and I hope he's in the race.  I'm also really looking forward to Red Desire in the Filly & Mare Turf.

17 Sep 2010 4:46 PM

looks like will have a classic field to remember

17 Sep 2010 4:50 PM

I would be shocked if he could beat Zenyatta, Quality Road or Blame, but I think it's great they're taking a shot.  And hey, he's more highly regarded than Arcangues, at least.

17 Sep 2010 4:54 PM
Kate Hunter


Furioso is doing great, after coming in 2nd to Espoir City in the 2010 JPNI Kashiwa Kinen, he went on to win the JPNI Teio Sho (a second time) this past summer. He is still in training and might run this weekend in the JPNII Japan TV Hai this coming Thursday. He is being pointed to the JPNI Japan Breeders Cup classic which is to be held at his home Funabashi Racetrack in Chiba Japan. After that he will probably aim for the JPNI Tokyo Daishoten in December. (

17 Sep 2010 6:09 PM

So glad to see that Japanese horses are going to be partaking this year!  The WORLD Championships desperately need some added international flavor!  

Wishing Espoir City, Red Desire, and their connections safe travels! (Yeah, I know Red Desire is already here but she still has a long way to go between now and november!)

17 Sep 2010 6:50 PM

I acquired a deep respect for Japanese horses when I saw Cesario win the American Oaks Invitational Stakes, at Hollywood Park, in 2005.

A grand-daughter of Sunday Silence, she came to town and showed them how it's done. It was one of the most beautiful performances I'd ever seen. There was a large contingent of her Japanese fans who came to witness her victory and the rest of the  crowd was very gracious and applauded and cheered right along with them (me included). Their enthousiasm was contagious and I felt that, if someone from a foreign land should get the purse that day, it might as well be a descendant of the great sire Sunday Silence. How fitting, if you get my drift... kind of the ultimate vindication.

So, I'm not tossing any Japanese runner coming for the BC, especially if they are a progeny of SS. BTW, is there a good horse, in Japan, that is NOT one of his descendants? LOL!

17 Sep 2010 6:58 PM

I guess nobody told this guy that Zenyatta runs even better on dirt than poly.  Good luckk!!

17 Sep 2010 7:12 PM
Greg J.


Great interview, I also loved how Mr. Yokoyama answered your questions honestly and was to the point.  Very tough to have your first race at 10 furlongs being the Classic, but, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  Wish them the best.

Great call on my Huskies!

17 Sep 2010 7:55 PM


Zenyatta in Japanese means great race horse, champion for the to be revered.

17 Sep 2010 8:00 PM


Don't forget Brian's Time, a three time G1 winner in the USA and huge as a sire in Japan......Vodka's grand daddy.

17 Sep 2010 8:06 PM
Paula Higgins

A very nice interview with a nice man. He asnwered all your questions with the civility the Japanese are known for. Love that. However, as Speedball said, Zenny is better on dirt. Whether she wins or loses, I think he will find that out shortly.

17 Sep 2010 8:10 PM

Draynay,  are you sucking sour lemons?

What are you going to say if Zenyatta wins the Classic?

It is time to lighten up and give this wonderful mare the accolades she has earned.

17 Sep 2010 8:38 PM

NORTHERN TASTE was leading sire in Japan the 11 straight years before him.

17 Sep 2010 8:46 PM

Laz & ThoroGreats,

OK you guys, I was being facetious but thank you for the heads up on two horses who made it big as stallions in Japan. Interestingly, one was bred in Kentucky, the other in Ontario. Hum!...

17 Sep 2010 9:28 PM


That was great (Draynay)!

17 Sep 2010 9:32 PM

THOROUOGREATS: you got to mention Northern Taste just before I did.

Not a bad racehorse.

Great inhbreeding.

Wonderful sire.

17 Sep 2010 9:43 PM

Awesome. This BC Classic will be something to remember. I say Blame, Blind Luck (if she runs), or Espoir City will win it. Sorry, but I'm not exactly a Z fan...

17 Sep 2010 10:11 PM

(cute little heart)Shiloh,

I urge you to bet heavily against Z. The more you do, the better her odds will be.  :)

17 Sep 2010 11:20 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


  I hate to be a party pooper, and you know how much I love Zenyatta, but Blame is going to be one tough customer. He might be a superstar himself. The Great Queen Zenyatta has her work cut out for her against him, but I think he'll get the lead, then she'll get to the wire first.

18 Sep 2010 1:10 AM


It at least looks like the B.C. Classic distance wouldn't be a problem for Espoir City. This is not a pick to win or not, just a distance fact.

18 Sep 2010 2:20 AM

sidekickflats : I agree with your 1:28PM post, but before the announcement of the Japanese horse running the Classic, it's really mostly Euros but still, it does seem weird that BC has G3 as a WAYI race.  I never understood the reasoning for it.  If it's to get the "small time" stables in the race, I don't think it's fair.  Yes it would be nice to see the small stables get in but if their horse can't win a G1, I don't think they belong.  This is the biggest race of the year, only the best should be in it.

As for Espoir City, I don't think I would worry about him until after his prep.  For a horse who haven't tried 10F, it'll be a big task for him but who knows...I do believe Casino Drive was the real deal.  It does make the race truly a world championship race, I'm quite sure there'll be some of the best Euros trying for the big 2nd prize money too.  It'll be a great race and hopefully I can make it this year.  I'll see the Queen at HP next month, can't wait...this month is taking forever.  I hope I don't jinx her lol.

18 Sep 2010 3:12 AM

Anyone have any good plays for the WoodbineMile tomorrow ?  I'm liking Crowded House's odds :)  and probably going to play the longshot Memorial Maniac only because it's a cool name.  I have to see if there's any gray horses in both races.

18 Sep 2010 4:14 AM

"Great interview Jason.  He sounds very smart and I am shocked he didn't start laughing when you mentioned Zenyatta.  For the record nearly everyone thinks Zenyatta is a synthetic only performer in Japan. Pretty much like everyone else outside of California."

Draynay 17 Sep 2010 4:37 PM

So, you're basically saying the Japanese make the same mistake as everyone else outside of California?  Anyway, I feel the same way it appears many on this blog feel in the fact that it's nice to see horses from All around the world pointing towards the BC races.  Personally, I won't bet a dime on Espoir City.  Although not quite as bad, it's still pretty much like saying the US is sending our best over to Europe to run in the Arc and we pretty much all know how that would turn out.  For my money, it's down to a 3-horse race already b/w Blame, Zenyatta and Lookin At Lucky with the edge right now to Zenyatta.  I'd love to see Quality Road in the Dirt Mile, but we all know he's pointed to the Classic.  I think 1 1/4 is too far for him, but at a mile, he would smoke whoever showed up.

18 Sep 2010 5:22 AM


18 Sep 2010 7:40 AM
Forbidden Apple

This is great news, I have been waiting for a horse to show up that can give Quality Road some company up front. Blame and Zenyatta will be closing with a rush and pass all of the pace horses. I still do not understand why people are questioning Zenyatta's ability on dirt. If Gomez gets a good trip, he can get the first jump and power home to a victory. Don't Blame Al Stall for smashing this year's classic wide open!

18 Sep 2010 8:09 AM

Yes, let's get a few random strangers ( our friend Draynay can be one of them, ) to lay a few thousand on Blame, or a few million, whatever it takes for Zenyatta's odds to go up to 20-1... then laugh when she runs right by them all.

Zenyatta is better on dirt. Look at her Apple Blossoms... she went by instead of this strange "lingering" thing she has been doing this year on the synthetic.

Like Jeannie said, there can only be one... the Queen.

18 Sep 2010 8:37 AM

More people should take their top running horses out to seek competition when they realize there is none around them... hint hint.

It is also good to see horses from Japan coming on over, a true world championship. Can't wait to see how it unfolds!

18 Sep 2010 9:25 AM

Just one nit pick - Who is the dam of this horse?  Just love it when so many throw around the name of the sire and do not include the really important side of the race horse, mare, colt or filly.  It is the dam side which produces the great runners.  Why do you think Kentucky led the US in quality?  It was the mares.  Finally, Florida learned that important lesson.  For their early years, the Japanese concentrated on bringing in "Star" horses from the US and Europe.  They forgot to go after the best mares.  Just peruse BH stats, sometimes, and see how often it is the mares who move up the stallion.  Sadly, in many state bred programs, ones sees stallions with average AEIs being bred to very low CI mares.  Remember, one of the reasons, Seattle Slew did so well in producing runners, was due to the micro managing selection process of only breeding to the finest mares.  Look at the recent success of Office - His AEI is 1.40, but, the mares' CI is 1.52

18 Sep 2010 9:43 AM

Dr Drunkinbum,

You're not "party-pooping", quite the contrary. I WISH for the ending you describe, but I fear every horse in her path to the wire... especially Blame and Lookin At Lucky. Heck! I see the whole field as a threat to her victory. She HAS to pass every single one... Monumental task! and definitely NOT a sure thing, it never is...

18 Sep 2010 12:34 PM

I like Espoir City but the lack of a 10F race -- for a horse with speed -- is a little worrisome. It'll be great if he comes, though. More pace!


"More people should take their top running horses out to seek competition when they realize there is none around them... hint hint."

Blind Luck is nominated to the Lady's Secret, but Hollendorfer's assistant said they want NO part of Zenyatta and Blind Luck will only run if Zenyatta doesn't.

They already traveled. Nobody showed up. Why keep on doing it when the challengers scatter like roaches?

18 Sep 2010 1:31 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

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18 Sep 2010 1:36 PM

Tammy, I am SOOOOO sure Zenyatta is not going to win the Classic that I will make all of you this promise.  If all the other horses were to fall down and she wins I will ban myself for life from Bloodhorse.  However, when she loses and I 100% guarantee she will lose big time, all of you have to admit she is a synthetic horse specialist and nothing more. She will never ever beat a male on dirt.  Only the great Rachel can do that.

18 Sep 2010 3:30 PM
Paula Higgins

O.K. here we go again, Blind Luck will run only if Zenny doesn't show up. Here we go again. So don't one blessed soul say a word about her not running against tough competition. She shows up, they don't.

18 Sep 2010 3:45 PM
Kit J

So Draynay you're saying you'll ban yourself for life only if all the horses fall down? That's the way it sounded. Maybe you and Belleweather should get together.

Here we go with the argument about Rachel?  Where are the horses she beat on dirt? That is looking more suspect every day.

18 Sep 2010 4:41 PM

berttheclock - Thanks for your points on broodmares.

This sport is so focused on sires, sometimes I can't stand it.  A couple of weeks ago when Zenyatta's half-brother broke his maiden, the article in BH didn't even name the dam, Vertigineux, that the colt and Zenyatta had in common.  They mentioned the colt's sire and Zenyatta's sire, but the tie between the two, the same dam, was left out.

18 Sep 2010 5:31 PM

Kit J - I noticed how he phrased that promise too.  If we could only be so lucky to have all the Zenyatta haters promise to leave when she wins and then follow through with it.  They drive me crazy!

18 Sep 2010 5:32 PM
Paula Higgins

Kit J I am laughing my head off at your response to Draynay. He will never ban himself from anywhere, especially not a horse racing blog. There will always be a loophole and you found it: all the horses will have to fall down.   I love Rachel too and she is the real deal too. This is just not her best year.

18 Sep 2010 5:45 PM
Kit J

Paula I get so discombobulated when I try to read Belleweather's posts. I don't drink but maybe I should start and it'd help me out with deciphering.

As for Draynay, we all know what a phony he is and so full of bluster and bluff.

I do see that he hasn't picked 27 horses in Jason's question about futures in the Derby yet.

I also love Rachel, but I don't think beating males on dirt is that big of a criteria especially when the males haven't gone on to prove themselves.  

I also don't think it should be used to measure this year. Do we really think those males would beat the likes of Blame or Quality Road this year?  That isn't a very good gauge to me.

18 Sep 2010 6:41 PM

Is Blame chopped liver? I would be worried about him as much as of Z or QR.

18 Sep 2010 8:32 PM

I get so discombobulated when I try to read Belleweather's posts. I don't drink but maybe I should start and it'd help me out with deciphering.

Re:  KitJ,  Same here...

I think it's the only alternative...

18 Sep 2010 9:21 PM
Meydan Rocks

Without inflaming anyone

Just wondering...

Don't people who "ban" themselves for life from any particular blog just undergo a pseudo name change? ;)

And... any idea how old the esteemed Draynay is? Or am I getting long in the tooth and losing my sense of humor?

I reaaally look forward to astute discourse from both sides ( yay sayers and nay sayers alike)  especially when it's backed by pithy analysis.

We all know who among us who actually elevate our knowledge on this board.

I know I'm leaving out a lot of names but...

Dr Drunkinbum,

Paula Higgins




and on and on...

All these good neighbors (whether for or against) share info and knowledge that ratchets up my knowledge regardless.

I selfishly look forward to a Draynay post/discourse that INFORMS folks like myself who thirst for knowledge on our favorite pastime...

I can always hope can't I...


18 Sep 2010 10:18 PM
Paula Higgins

Meydan Rocks, thank you for the compliment but the truth is, I know less than 0 compared to many people on this blog. They have been my educators/teachers whether they realize it or not. So what knowledge I do have, is thanks to them.

Kit J, no, I agree that this years crop of males is much better than last years. No argument. That is why I think Zenny's task this year is a tough one but far from impossible. Blame is a monster. LAL and QR are incredibly talented. If she beats this crop, her place in history is just not debatable. As for Rachel, I think to do what she did against any boys again and again is otherworldly. My belief is that a filly can beat a colt in any given race, but to do it again and again in one season is historic. I believe that is why Zenyatta has lasted so long. She has raced against the best female competition out there and once against the boys. If she had raced against the boys again and again, she would have had a shorter career. I believe she would have beat them but the cost would have been in her longevity. we are now seeing that with Rachel. But IMO Rachel's greatness is established, just like Zenny's.

18 Sep 2010 11:55 PM

Christine : I agree Christine, I think QR should travel to Belmont for the JCGC instead of beating up allowance horses.  You're point is well taken.  They hid him in GP early this year, it's time for him to go after Blame, and not wait for the BCC.  He needs to avenge that loss, beating up on lesser horses doesn't improve his rep the "beast of the east."

19 Sep 2010 12:01 AM

Just one nit pick - Who is the dam of this horse?

berttheclock 18 Sep 2010 9:43 AM

Eminent City(JPN) 1998

19 Sep 2010 12:20 AM

If I owned Zenyatta, I wouldn't ship her at this point of the year either.  Earlier was when they should have done it.  Now, I would run her in the Goodwood against a nondescript group of males she should be able to whip on three legs in a race that would carry much more weight with Eclipse voters.  But they should have run in the Goodwood the last two years and had they done so, she might already be sitting on one or two HOY trophies, so why should they start doing the smart thing now?

If I owned Rachel Alexandra, I would ship her out to face Zenyatta in the Lady's Secret.  She'll never get another chance to face Big Z at that favorable 1 1/16 distance.  If she loses, she's lost to the best.  If she loses to Persistently or Unrivaled Belle again in the Beldame without the excuse of ramping up from a long layoff or a distance which is too long for her, then her rep takes a huge hit and she becomes just an ordinary graded stakes filly.  Plus she'll have to deal with Life At Ten on the front end again in the Beldame, while in the Lady's Secret there shouldn't be a horse on the West Coast who can wear her down early.

19 Sep 2010 12:34 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Ted from LA

  Some very impressive college football performances. You gotta love Nebraska and that corn fed offensive line. Oregon was unbelievable, winning 69-0, they were scoring touchdowns licketysplit. Joe Paterno at 102 still can whip those boys into shape. How bout dem Cowboys scoring 65 points?(unranked Oklahoma State). As usual the pollsters are revealed as frauds, or just dumb $#%#@&.

19 Sep 2010 1:25 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


   Blame is the one to beat until further notice. I do believe that everyone will know that after The Jockey Club.

Meydan Rocks

  Thanks for the compliment.  You're on my list of astute observers, that are must reads, and yes, you left out a lot of names. It's too tough of a task to list everyone.

19 Sep 2010 1:38 AM

Everyone knows how Draynay jumps from one horse to another.  When Zenyatta wins the Classic, I 100% guarantee that you'll never stop seeing Draynay post how he has always liked her and that he has always thought she IS the greatest horse that ever raced.  In fact, you'll see him post how he dumped all in with his $2 to win on Zenyatta in the Classic. LOL

Notice how he doesn't post who he likes in the Classic ?  It's because he doesn't know who the heavy favorite is yet...and notice no more "QR is HOTY" comments from him ?? LOL

I don't know if this blog would be as fun without Draynay to make fun of, I think a self-imposed one year ban would be sufficient.

19 Sep 2010 2:10 AM


19 Sep 2010 4:00 AM

From the running style and distance limitations, I believe Espoir City will pose a bigger challenge to QR than the remaining field.  They could wear each other down early in the race....which leaves a big opening for the closers, Zen and Blame.

Now Red Desire is another story...and probably the one of biggest threats in the FM Turf, since Vodka is retired.  But there will be some fine Euros and a good US contingent.

19 Sep 2010 8:49 AM

Thanks, tcc.

Eminent City, the dam, has an interesting pedigree.  By Brian's Time, who was sired by Roberto, out of Kelly's dam by Graustark.  BT ran a strong 2nd to Risen Star in the Preakness.

Include in her family is Gold City (Viceregal), who was the Champion 2 yr old colt in Japan in '86.

Her family line goes back in Japan for a 100 years.  There was one American influence in her 10th dam, Tip Top (Pirate of Penzance)

But, that Roberto-Graustark side is interesting.

19 Sep 2010 8:54 AM

Mr. Yokoyama needs to be aware that any horse they send to the Classic this year must be vastly superior to Casino Drive.

19 Sep 2010 10:10 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


  You bleeding heart liberals !!! Just a one year ban? You should throw the book at him your honor. The Woodbine turf is listed as "good." My analysis was based on firm. Could be really tricky. It all comes down to who likes the surface, but you can expect the jockeys to be a big factor also. Still, a very interesting and a must watch race-The Woodbine Mile. If you're playing, I don't know that you can count on physicality. He could be ready for the race of his life, hate the surface and be toast.

19 Sep 2010 1:31 PM

From Bellweather:


This ends most of Bellweather's posts.  My question - who is the king?  Elvis? (Presley? Trujillo?)

I can usually puzzle out the gist of his posts but this continuing refrain has me stumped.

19 Sep 2010 2:22 PM

Bellwether,  I'll try to get around to reading your post on Monday, The A.B.C stores are closed on Sunday.  

19 Sep 2010 2:50 PM

Funny posts jayjay!

Paula - I just love how you continue to stick up for our girl Rachel.  I think her greatness has been established, too.  I know Zenyatta is your girl, too, as she is mine.  How wonderful to have such gems racing.

19 Sep 2010 3:41 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


   Don't you think it's a shame about the Dallas Cowboys? If they wouldn't have left food out, they might not have gotten devoured by Da Bears.

19 Sep 2010 4:39 PM
Mike Relva


Had the pleasure to visit yesterday with the horse that showed your Point Given some direction in the Derby.

19 Sep 2010 4:50 PM

Quality Road "needs to avenge that loss" and "not wait for the BC", JayJay?  Why?  He runs great fresh, why should Pletcher alter the game plan?  If he beats Zenyatta & Blame & Lookin At Lucky in the Classic after three G1 wins against older males and a 2nd by a head to Blame, he's HOY.  Not only that, he'll be the UNANIMOUS HOY.  You think anyone's gonna cast a vote for any of those others if QR beats them all?

You can make a case that Zenyatta or Lookin At Lucky or Blind Luck need a race like the JCGC or the Goodwood to enhance their HOY resumes since none of them have faced open company this year.  But Quality Road's resume is just fine as it is.  Why does he "need" the JCGC?  To satisfy you?  I'm pretty sure you don't have a vote for the award.

19 Sep 2010 5:08 PM

It's four minutes to post time for the Woodbine Mile. I like Victor's Cry to win and Zifzaf to hit the board at huge odds.

Who knows? If the Usual Q. T. or one of the other favorites win, they could end up being the Champion turf male this year!


19 Sep 2010 5:42 PM
Mike Relva


We all know HOW MUCH your promises are worth. Last year when you were wrong about Zenyatta, you didn't keep them. Don't think you're in a position to make any promises.

19 Sep 2010 6:08 PM

Dr D - It's such a shame about the Cowboys.  I'm trying not to gloat, so don't egg me on!  There are some Cowboy fans on this blog that I really, really like!  I'm also not celebrating for the Jets, since there are a bunch of Patriot fans I like.  Oh darn!  The Jets almost intercepted!  But I'm not celebrating yet.

19 Sep 2010 6:32 PM

The Jets DID intercept!  But I'm not celebrating yet.

Mike Relva - So you visited the second fastest Derby winner ever?

I had Court Vision and The Usual QT - I wish I woulda bet it.

19 Sep 2010 6:38 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


   Make it a double.


  OK. I'll try. I couldn't resist.


   Did you see that movie where Elvis goes to see President Nixon? I loved it.

19 Sep 2010 8:15 PM
Mike Relva


Yes,it's the first time I've visited him. He looks great,friendly I fed him carrots. Also,visited one of my all time favs,Cigar(Evertime I'm in Kentucky). Also,Invasor and Jazil at Shadwell and went by Old Friends to see their new member,Tinners' Way and others'. Some on here are only interested in cashing a ticket,I visit  retired horses every year when possible.

19 Sep 2010 8:50 PM

Thanks Dr D!  Even though I don't want you to egg me on, your first comment made me laugh out loud!  Now I'm watching the Brothers Bowl.

Mike - Your trip sounds wonderful!  How nice that Tinners Way is already getting visitors!

19 Sep 2010 9:31 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

keelerman, Jason

   Clubhouse Ride.

Mike Relva

    Good Job.

19 Sep 2010 9:54 PM
The Rock

Red Desire should be odds on in the BC Filly/Mare Turf. Anything above that should be considered a gift. I'd put her on the same level as Ouija Board.

19 Sep 2010 10:18 PM
Paula Higgins

ruffianruns, thank you. Yes, I love Rachel too and she will not ever be diminished in my eyes. Her place is secure in racing history. I just hope people don't develop that "What have you done for me lately" mentality with Rachel and forget her very historic year. It was amazing. I am one of those that is grateful that Rachel and Zenny never met up.

Yes, we are lucky indeed. I am going into serious withrawal when the girls are retired next year. Now we also have the beastie boys. Some very good horses this year besides the girls.

19 Sep 2010 10:23 PM
Abbie Knowles

Hi everyone.

It is indeed very interesting that Espoir City may run in the BC Classic and he should not be underestimated but i shall be cheering for THE QUEEN - ZENYATTA!

Mike Relva

Great that you enjoy visiting the retired Champions.  I love Cigar more than almost any other horse that ever raced.  Seattle Slew being the one I love the best as you are all doubtless aware as i keep going on about him!  Please give Cigar a carrot for me!

Also Invasor and Jazil.  I loved Invazor but Bernardini was my favourite that year.  I love Jazil but not quite as much a his half sister "Rags".

Tinner's Way was another favourite especially as he has another great stallion friend of mine called The Minstrel in his pedigree!

I think The Kentucky Horse Park, Old Friends and other's like them do a marvellous job.  The welfare of the horses is of paramount importance.  Ditto that of those who look after them.

God Bless you Jason, all on this blogsite and everyone at The Bloodhorse.

Best wishes


19 Sep 2010 11:04 PM

I thought before the race that the Woodbine Mile would be the most telling North American prep for the BC Mile, and I'm more certain of this after the race.

Class really told in the Woodbine Mile.  I have no idea why Court Vision went off at 7-1 or why the exacta with The Usual QT paid $77(for $2).  In my mind, these were the two classiest horses in the field and the only horse I was really concerned with was Victor's Cry.

Court Vision has really had a solid career.  At 3 he was part of an exciting rivalry with Gio Ponti, and he got the better of that rival the final 2 times they met in 2008 in the gr.2 Jamaica and gr.1 Hollywood Derby.  In 2009 Court Vision placed in a couple of gr.1 races before beating Karelian a nose in a thrilling renewal of the gr.1 Shadwell Mile.  He then ran a strong 4th behind Goldikova in the BC Mile.  This year Court Vision was awarded the gr.1 Gulfstream Park Turf Cap, but whatever luck he had in getting that result he didn't have when beaten a nostril be General Quaters in the gr.1 Woodford Reserve.  For his career Court Vision has now won 4 gr.1 races and placed in 5 other gr.1s. Given how well Court Vision ran in last year's BC Mile and that he is twice gr.1 placed on Churchill's Matt Winn turf course, I have every reason to believe he will be a factor again in this year's Mile.

The Usual QT ran his typical strong race in his return to turf.  A horse that excels when covered, QT perhaps hit the lead too soon, but in the end he was simply beaten by a horse that was better on this day.  The race clearly demonstrated that a mile is right in his wheelhouse, and I envision him being tough if he is pointed for the BC.  My only question is whether QT is BC eligible given he is a Cal-bred and some  Cal-breds are not nominated for the BC at an early age?

If the top Euros all come, it's going to be tough for the North Americans to win the BC Mile.  But if a North American does win, I really believe Court Vision and QT are as likely as anyone.  I've been a fan of Sidney's Candy, but I really don't think he can hold off the talent that will be lining up behind him, particularly if there is any give in the ground.  It's possible this year's Woodbine Mile might be a key race, like the 07' running was when Shakespseare caught Kip Devile late.

20 Sep 2010 12:03 AM


I was also there at Hollywood for Cesario's American Oaks. You captured it perfectly.  She was absolutely awesome.  

20 Sep 2010 3:43 AM

To answer my own question, The Usual QT is Breeder's Cup eligible.  

I like his chances on Churchill's shorter stretch(as compared to Woodbine's).  His running style is very similar to another Woodbine Mile runner-up, Kip Devile.  Like Kip, QT is best when covered up behind horses and then asked to come out for a quick burst of speed.  In 2007, Kip looked a winner in midstretch of the Woodbine Mile but after opening up he seemed to idle and was caught by Shakespeare.  In the BC Mile at Monmouth he was kept behind horses until upper stretch, and with Monmouth's shorter stretch he didn't have to hold that lead for as long as he was asked to at Woodbine.  QT ran his best race in the Eddie Read at Del Mar with its tight turns and very short stretch.  Churchill has wider turns than Del Mar and a longer stretch, but it's not Woodbine.  

The Woodbine Mile gave me confidence the North American contingent can at least make it interesting against the Euros.  Court Vision and QT are true pros, lunch-pail types that aren't just going to roll over.

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20 Sep 2010 6:09 AM
Mike Relva


Cigar is my all time fav. Live over four hrs away,was there for his birthday in April. Always bring him mints and recently sent him some. I can tell you he looks great,nothing like some twenty year olds. He deserves and gets great care.

20 Sep 2010 9:10 AM
Mike Relva


Thank you. I read that you said you've seen John Henry. I visited him three weeks before he died. What was that like being there for his race?

20 Sep 2010 9:14 AM
Billy's Empire

Akron, REALLY?

At least you did not bet the Eagles and watch them give the spread away...

20 Sep 2010 9:27 AM
Billy's Empire

Bellwether is awesome! Just an observation

20 Sep 2010 9:28 AM

Dr D. and ruffianruns:  That will be enough about the COWBOYS!  For shame!  (For shame on the 'Boys too for losing that one.)  After all, what's your first recollection of horses?-right! Cowboy movies!.

Mike Relva: How fortunate you are to be able to visit these legends.  I'm so green with envy.

And according to Bellwether the Queen is the King???  At least I think that's what he might have been trying to's quite difficult to tell.  Perhaps someone on his planet knows.

We all feel that Goldikova will take the turf mile...but the dirt mile would be truly awesome if QR went that route.  It's going to be very interesting.

20 Sep 2010 10:02 AM

Court Vision ran one of the best races of his career.  The time for the mile wasn’t all that impressive, 1.34.62 on a course listed as firm, but this is misleading.  The other graded turf stakes on the program were about three seconds off also.  However, the day before the course was listed as good (the Summer Stakes for 2 yo at a mile of the same turf was about 6 seconds off).  There was a lot of rain in Toronto on Thursday, about one inch, and for sure the track wasn’t hard fast.  The thing about Court Vision that makes him a serious player for the BC Turf Mile is that he came from 2nd last and about 9 lengths off the lead, made a good mid pack run, was blocked and had to be switched out, then got going again and won as much the best.  The Woodbine stretch, as long as it is, normally doesn’t play all that well to stone closer type moves, which makes his run all the more impressive.  On this course you usually have to be in striking position before you enter the stretch as noted in the Northern Dancer Stakes earlier on the program.  Even the day before when Pluck made his move from 6th, he was only 3 lengths off the lead and Stormy Rush who was beside him and tried to go with him hung.  Court Vision shouldn't have a problem over the CD turf, a course that he has run well on in the past.  He also has the ability to be rated mid pack or to come from well out of it.  Regardless of who shows up, I like his chances in the BC race, especially now that he has been freshened and won convincingly off a 14 week layoff.

20 Sep 2010 10:29 AM
Jason Shandler

I got killed Saturday Billy. Made up most of it yesterday thanks to the Falcons, Bengals and Colts.

Didn't bet the Woodbine Mile. Glad I didnt. Congrats to those who nailed it.

20 Sep 2010 10:30 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

The Usual Q.T. in my opinion did not get the lead too early. Court Vision loved that surface which was labeled good in the morning and firm by race time. It may have been firm by Woodbine standards but it wasn't by S. Cal standards. If that was a dry, firm track, The Usual Q.T. would have pulled away for the victory. Court Vision ran great and deserved the win but he liked the surface better. That was a great ride on QT by Espinoza. You don't expect that a turf horse that wins at 1 1/8, and 1 1/4 is going to tire in the final 100 yards. Court Vision does well with that type of layoff and a less than firm turf. Those two were the class of the field by far. The Breeder's mile turf is the right race for both of them. Either can win it depending on the surface. QT will need no rain and a truly firm surface. This guy is a great turf horse who almost won Sunday on his less than preferred surface. Court Vision is amazing. This is a true Grade One horse who can win anywhere anytime, but he prefers a little time off. Training up to the Breeder's Cup would work just fine for him. I would give either of these two a shot against the Euros.

20 Sep 2010 11:52 AM

Mike Relva - Since Cigar is your all-time fave, I'm wondering if you had any mixed feelings about Zen breaking his streak record.  I know you're a HUGE Zen fan, and I can't imagine you wanting her to lose, but what was going on with you when she went for the record?

20 Sep 2010 12:17 PM

Slew! -

I was BEHAVING about the Cowboys!  That was for you!  I WAS gloating about the Jets.  I thought I liked apple turnovers best, but now I've decided I like Pat turnovers best.

You're right about the movies.  I saw your comments on the movie blog about Cowboy movies and I smiled.  When I was a kid, my brothers were sick of me cause if there was a cowboy movie on I would hog the TV.  They're afraid of horses.  My grandma used to talk about how I would squeal when a cowboy movies came on saying "I want to watch the horses!"  She said my Grandpa Bill said the same thing.

20 Sep 2010 12:18 PM

Here here for Cal-bred geldings!  

I thought the Usual QT ran lights out considering he was coming back in only 3 weeks (last ran Aug 28th) and shipping all the way from the California/Mexico border.  Didn't the 4th place finisher in the Woodbine Mile run second in the Pacific Classic?  Probably moved too soon...the jockey kept saying I was looking for the wire.  But take nothing away from a very good Court Vision.  He was the better of the two.  The Usual QT, with his record, a very very "honest" horse.  Some other things to celebrate in California.

Just a CA represented Breeder's Cup preview

1.  Blind Luck (Best 3 Year Old F)

2.  Evening Jewell (Best 3 F on T)

3.  Zenyatta (Best older F/M)

4.  The Usual QT (Cal bred of year)

5.  Lookin at Lucky (Best 3 Year C)

Can't wait until November.

20 Sep 2010 12:47 PM


Good thing you didn't bet the Woodbine Mile. Judging by THS, nobody had a clue! Neither did I. Since I couldn't make heads or tails of it, I passed. I enjoyed the race a lot better than I would have if my money had been on anybody BUT the winner.

20 Sep 2010 1:26 PM

GunBow:  To me the rivalry was more between Court Vision and Cowboy Cal.  

Although I'm a little disappointed that The Usual Q.T. couldn't find more in the stretch, getting second in the Woodbine Mile was a good prep for Ventura in '08, so I still think he can do well in the BC;  if not this year than next year.

20 Sep 2010 2:34 PM
Billy's Empire

Slew, I think the original poster was refering to Oklahoma State. The Dallas Cowboys are turrrrible! They play Houston next, and I think the so called Super Bowl Contenders will be 0-3. OUCH.

Jason, I got killed yesterday, did great on Saturday.

All I know, Diantoni or whatever his name is from MSU, went out with a bang. goes for the fake field goal in OT, makes it to beat Notre Dame, then has a heart attack. Bittersweet? Just glad he is ok and recovering.

Mike Vick looks good. I like Ron Mexico better.

ML odds BCC

Zenyatta 5-2

Blame 3-1

Quality Road 7-2

Lookin at Lucky 8-1

Espoir City 10-1

Rail Trip 12-1

Everyone besides MTB 15-1/30-1

Mine that Bird 200-1

20 Sep 2010 3:21 PM
Abbie Knowles

Hi everyone.

I adore Cigar but was quite happy when Zenyatta got the record because I adore her too!  Anyone who loves racehorses can appreciate other champions as well as their personal favourites.

Mike Relva

I am delighted Cigar is so well and happy.  I have seen the videos of him on this website and he looks superb and to really love being the centre of attention!  He is a sensational horse!

As for the Breeders Cup

I hope and believe Zenyatta will win the Breeders Cup Classic and have a sneaking suspicion Girolamo will win the Breeders Cup Mile. Although Makfi will be hard to beat!  Don't underestimate Makfi!

Midday should win the fillies and mares turf but Proviso is no slouch either!

Not sure about the other races yet!

Whatever happens it should be great racing!

God Bless

Best wishes


20 Sep 2010 4:15 PM

Billy's Empire: Thanks, but DR D and ruffianruns already know I'm a huge Dallas fan.  And my local TV didn't even carry that game....which means I can't even tell how they played.  Maybe the whole team just needs to go to the Secretariat movie, to find out what an athlete hero really is...and DR D and ruffianruns have been more gentle on me than my family usually is. (Well...the boys are Dallas fans, and the girls...we just won't mention them).

20 Sep 2010 4:23 PM

Ruffianruns: I remember Saturday matinees and serial westerns, newsreel coverage of the big races, and usually a western or a Disney movie that was a Western such as Shane or Old Yellow.  And early TV had Fury, My Friend Flicka, Maverick, old Western movies with John Wayne, and how could anyone not notice the horses.  As simple as it sounds, it was really a great time, perhaps because of that simplicity. Loving that you remember it too. (You get only one free pass on dissin the Cowboys...unless I dis them first.)

20 Sep 2010 4:50 PM

Any news on California Flag?  I was waiting before adding him to my list of things to celebrate about California.  He seemed to avoid the dreaded Dubai "bounce" and fired a 55 second race in August at Del Mar.  Breeder's Cup Turf Sprint?

20 Sep 2010 8:25 PM

Slew.....Hopalong Cassidy, Wild Bill Hitchcock, Gen Autrey and Roy Rogers.  Then along comes Annie Oaklie.  She could outshoot all of them even when she was standing on the back of a galloping horse and being blindfolded.....Boy do I ever miss that.  Realistic TV if there ever was such a thing.

20 Sep 2010 8:28 PM

LOW : That was meant for those who said he is the beast of the east.  Of course, he doesn't need to, I doubt he can anyway.  My whole point was, the folks clamoring for the queen to run against "top" horses are the same ones that looks away when QR doesn't win against top level.  

You seem to have turned around like a full 360.  Now it's okay to just run in the Classic and none of the races this year matters lol.  You, the same LOW that kept on dissing Team Z for her campaign this year, and us, Z fans, who kept saying she'll beat them all in the most important race of the year.  Now you're saying it all comes down to the Classic.

Other than the Whitney, tell me which other race he ran against top level horses ?  Zenyatta ran against the top level in her division in the Vanity, she was just too good she ran St T to the ground and needed rest.

You can't flip flop about your arguments this late in the year.  I've said many many many times before (as Jason knows) and I'll say it again.  Team Z could care less about the HOTY.  In fact, I'll make a wager with you (through Jason), $100.00 that Zenyatta dusts QR in the Classic.  Let me know. :)

20 Sep 2010 8:48 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


  That was a one time only payback. You broke our hearts a lot more than we broke yours. Thanks for being a good sport.

20 Sep 2010 9:00 PM

LOL Dr. D, we all know he has multiple accounts so it doesn't really matter.  Who do you like in the JCGC and Beldame ?

Mike Relva : I envy you, wish I can retire early to allow me to do the same thing.  The one horse I really really want to see and own is Sunday Silence, but that's a long long trip to see him.

LAZ : I had CV in the Mile, I use to follow him when Mott was training him but then lost too much money betting him.  I got the exacta but didn't have enough bets on him to have that monster odds Woodbourne on the bottom.  The one time he won at good odds, I didn't put enough money on him.  Also, what do you think of Espoir City ?

ZK : Hows "our" baby doing ?

20 Sep 2010 9:08 PM

Abbie Knowles - Thanks for talking about Cigar and Zen.  I understand.

Slew - Are you the one that posted that you used to see Citation newsreels?  At the theater?  That was before my time, unless I just didn't go to enough movies, but I would have LOVED seeing anything like that at the movies.  I loved those westerns.  I don't think I ever saw My Friend Flicka on TV, but I read and re-read the book.  I still have all my kid horse books.  Oh and I LOVED your merry-go-round imagery on the other blog.  Beautiful.  And I really have no room to diss the 'Boys when my Niners have been so pathetic for so long!  Unfortunately, I fall so easily into that Dallas-bashing mode, but I'm working on it!

20 Sep 2010 9:19 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


   It wasn't simple then, it was magic. How did they fit them into that little box in our living room? I even had a rich friend whose Dad had a TV in his bedroom !!!!! All the rest of the families had to fight over what to watch when Dad wasn't there. When he was there he watched what he wanted and we threw fits and got whipped.

20 Sep 2010 9:58 PM
Mike Relva


Good question. I was happy for Zenyatta breaking the record,but retain all the respect in the world for Cigar.

20 Sep 2010 9:58 PM


I put 30 bucks on Court Vision’s nose because I couldn’t believe that he would go off at 7 – 1.  To be honest, I thought at the top of the stretch when he was 9 lengths off the lead with only one horse beaten he wouldn't even make the board.  About a third of the way down it started to look interesting.  Half way down I thought wow, he really does have a shot.  And then he ran up behind a horse and I thought that’s it, he’ll never get there.  The way he switched out yesterday after running up behind that horse and took off again says loads about his ability.  His win was awesome and was a tribute to Robbie Albarado’s fine ride.  I think that Robbie is vastly underestimated as a rider.  Court Vision to me should be right there in the BC Mile, but he will have to be at his absolute best and have the best of racing luck, which means no bad luck.  Keep in mind that he was only beaten 1 ½ L by Goldie last year on a very firm course.  He came into that race with a win in the Shadwell Mile G1, but it was on Oct. 10 and 1 month before the BC.  This race gives him another 2 weeks which apparently should benefit him.  

As for Espoir City, he is a mystery.  I don’t know a lot about Japanese racing and if I’m not mistaken, I believe it is much more turf orientated than dirt, which would mean less high quality dirt horses to race against.  It is hard to gauge how a horse will compete in the BCC after traveling all that way from the Southern Hemisphere.  His foundation breeding is excellent.  Much has always been made about the Sunday Silence influence in Japan, but Brian’s Time, on the dam’s side, is a famous and extremely successful sire there also.  The field size here shouldn’t be a problem, but I think that two things will be……..Quality Road and the distance.  He hasn’t won at 10F before and he probably hasn’t faced a determined speed horse the likes of Quality Road before either.  However, the up side for the closers would be his presence because if he goes to the lead he will probably ensure a fast and legitimate pace and put a lot more pressure on QR.  He has earned a lot of money but they race for huge money over there.  His times haven’t exactly been spectacular.  He has won a couple of Group Ones at 9F and is also proficient at a mile which might suggest that 10F is not his best distance.  But then like Mr. Yokoyama said, there are no 10F dirt races in Japan.  Personally, I would lean elsewhere.

21 Sep 2010 12:51 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


   That's easy-Blame and Rachel. If I change my mind I'll post it. And Afleet Again at Penn, and Lucky at Indy, and Usual QT in Breeder's Mile.

Slew, ruffianruns, lazmannick

   I saw Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen, and Have Gun Will Travel in the last month. Does anyone like Chester better than Festus? Has anyone seen that English show with Inspector Jack Frost? Does anyone remember The Peter Pumpkin episode starring Fred Gwynne from 1978 CBS Mystery Theatre on Radio? I love CBS Mystery Theatre. There are over 1300 shows. E.G. Marshall is the MC.

21 Sep 2010 1:00 AM

I love how people can diss Zenyatta while saluting Blind Luck. I don't totally disagree, Blind Luck is great. But the fact that even Hollendorfer would rather ship out of the state then have to face the Queen only adds to what makes Zenyatta so remarkable.

Jayjay- If Zenyatta's odds will be be what they were last year(huge overlay, by the way), be prepared to walk away with $350 in your pocket. The only way Zenyatta gets beat in November would be some unpredictable circumstance(traffic problems etc), not lack of ability. There are only a select few who could have taken her on, and one of them has a movie about him coming out soon.

21 Sep 2010 1:08 AM


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21 Sep 2010 2:26 AM

Zenyatta deserves all credit for the record of 18 consecutive wins and counting, but Cigar remains the best horse I've seen.  For one race there are a number of horses who were as talented as Cigar.  But no other horse of the last 2 decades can match Cigar for a 20 race stretch.  

I take Easy Goer and Sunday Silence out of the comparison.  1989 was my first year following thoroughbred racing, and I was only 14.  Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are like Greek gods for me, with the legend making it hard for objective comparison.  If it wasn't for Sunday Silence, Easy Goer might have had the best year ever by a 3 year old, and for one race, Sunday Silence with his tactical speed, instant acceleration and class might be my #1 pick of the last 21 years.

In the post Sunday Silence/Easy Goer period, Cigar is my clear #1, with the war-horse Skip Away #2.

I visited the Kentucky Horse Park for my high school graduation present(from Cali), and was able to see Forego and John Henry as well as Bold Forbes and Ramblin Willie(harness).

21 Sep 2010 2:55 AM

Householder,  California Flag worked out yesterday, Monday, according to

21 Sep 2010 5:56 AM

If Billy is offering 8-1 on Looking At Lucky in the BCC then his empire must include the north pole. I doubt even Santa Claus would provide a gift like that.

21 Sep 2010 8:23 AM

My mama didn't raise any fools, Jay Jay. Anyone who bets against Zenyatta is a fool.  I've said before with a clean trip on a dry track, I expect her to win.  But those things aren't always a given. And she may not recover from a bad trip like she had in the Santa Margarita against the likes of Quality Road & Blame.  I think you're dead wrong about HOY. They may not have cared as much in previous years, but this year they wanted it very much or they wouldn't have brought her back.

I think you're underestimating some of Quality Road's competition, particularly Musket Man.  I think he would throttle any of Zenyatta's opponents this year, just as he easily finished ahead of the rest of the fields he faced with Quality Road (and Blame)

Quality Road and Blame both have nothing more to prove this year. They've faced and beat G1 open company. Let's say an outsider won the Classic, but one of those two finished a strong second.  Based on their overall record, that would probably be enough to be crowned champion.

But because Zenyatta hasn't faced any horse that's capable of winning the Classic this year, she needs to win the Classic herself to finally gain that elusive championship.  And there's no reason it needs to be that way.  The Goodwood is right there for the taking.  You could probably ride her and win that race, JayJay.  And then she's not faced with an all or nothing shot on BC day.  

21 Sep 2010 9:07 AM
Mike Relva


Thanks for your comment,but I'm not that old,only forty. lol

21 Sep 2010 9:34 AM

Back in the '50's and '60's, when you went to the movies, there was usually a 15 minute newsreel clip, a 15 minute segment of a serial Western, 2 cartoons, coming attractions, and the main (or double in NYC) feature.  My grandmother used to gather up me and her bag of lemon drops, and we spent 4 hours at a matinee.  Wow!  Good old days...I wish my grandbabies had even a tenth of that bliss.  (The news reel often featured racing horses bringing home the big trophy)

And my daughter is the biggest Dallas-basher in the world, so we usually just hang up on each a lot during football season.

And my son is my hero.  He wore his Dallas Cowboy jacket (come to think of it...I don't know if was brave or dumb) on South Street in Philadelphia....and he came home alive.  

Remember when a color TV meant it had a strip of yellow, red and blue cellophane across the screen?

OK...I've decided...I've been around so long I think I there's moss growing on my North side.

21 Sep 2010 9:42 AM

Hey, Dr Drunkenbum, you should stop by the restaurants and bars in Pendleton, OR, sometime.  They have had the Pendleton Roundup, in that city for decades.  Look at the photos on their walls and you will see many of the early Real Cowboys who went on to playing cowboys in Hollywood.  Tom Mix, Tim Holt, Ben Johnson, Yakima Canutt.  There are many others who went south to work for Republic.  Ah, Bob Steele.  But, for me it was the radio listening to "The Lone Ranger" on MWF and the "Cisco Kid" on Tues and Thurs.  Drove my poor Dad to distraction.  BTW, the music score for TLR had far more than William Tell.  A real mix of Borodin, Franz Litz, Hayden, as well as Rossini.  High Brow comes to the cowboys, eh?  Of course, by using the classics, they didn't have to pay any royalties.

21 Sep 2010 9:59 AM

Saturday--Pennsylvania Derby includes Exhi, Afleet Again, A Little Warm, FIRST DUDE, among 7.  Here's hoping the Dude finally gets to be the bride but Exhi might have something to say about that.  My top 2 picks.

21 Sep 2010 10:04 AM

Gee DR D: I just bought the Season 1 of "Wanted: Dead or Alive" last week.  Along with "Trackdown" I think they were the first "method-acted" Westerns.

As every one mentions their favorite horses in the past 30 or so years, I think all of your jaws would have dropped, had you been able to witness the phenomenon that was Kelso, 5 time HOY.

21 Sep 2010 10:37 AM

Okay Dr Drunkinbum & Slew, Expert Movie/TV Historians.........

Without looking it up, who were the lead characters (actors)in the Annie Oaklie, Wild Bill Hitchcock and Hopalong shows.  It's obvious who the leads were in the Roy Rogers and Gene Autrey shows.  But in those shows they each had the bumbling sidekick.  Who were they (show charachter names)?  You have two minutes to answer.  If you answer in time and you are correct you will be entered in the grand draw for the Draynay "I Picked the Winner" novel.  Of course it is ficticious.  However, it will be in mint condition though unfortunately there are only enough entries in the book to fill two lines.

21 Sep 2010 10:53 AM

er, Mr Artery, did not know Sir Alfred had a brother named "Wild Bill"?  Did he roam Wales?

But, Hickok was played by Guy Madison and his sidekick was "Jingles".

William Boyd was Hoppie.  Can't pull up his sidekick.

I will pass on Annie Oakley.

21 Sep 2010 11:23 AM

All right, Lazmannick, so, I looked up her bio.  But, did you know Gail Davis, the Bryn Mawr and UT grad, also, was in a film with Roy Rogers and guested on "Cisco Kid", "The Lone Ranger" and the "Gene Autrey" show? She was, also, quite a rider of horses.  Great to have either Ask Me or Google handy, eh?

21 Sep 2010 11:30 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


   I don't have that kind of memory. All I remeber is that I totally loved Andy Devine in Wild Bill Hickok. I also liked Wild Alfred Hitchcock. No, I don't know who the stars were of The Roy Rogers, and Gene Autry shows. "Already read it."


   We had a theatre in the 60's that was ten cents to get in on Saturday afternoon. Cartoons, double or triple feature, a zillion screaming kids. I don't remember any adults. They were too scared they'd get run over. None of those guys with flashlights walking around. Just bedlam and mayhem. They usually showed horror movies. Dots, or Black Crows, popcorn, soda, movies, all for well less than a dollar. The other theatre you had to be on your best behavior. They hired local college football players and wrestlers to be ushers(the flashlight guys). "Get your feet off the chair punk. If I catch you again you're outta here." "You spill that drink, you're gonna lick it up." "No making out. Get your arm off her shoulder, and move over." That guy with the crewcut, and caulifower ears was just plan mean. Mean I tell you, mean."

21 Sep 2010 12:07 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


   Thanks for the info about Pendleton.  Haven't been there yet. I think they have a casino there, right? I think there used to be a decent poker tourney there. Audie Murphy went from a war hero to playing in war films. Cowboys became cowboy movie and TV stars. Many great actors had no acting experience. Just showed up and started working.

21 Sep 2010 12:15 PM

Slew: Ditto on the "colour" TV - the blue, green and brown strips.

Also: Ditto on Kelso (even though he precluded the greatest Cdn of the 20th Century from getting HOY in 1964)

And I think Guy Madison also played the Cisco Kid ("eh Cees-ko", "eh, Pancho").

Finally: Laz, in my house the true sidekicks for Roy Rogers were Trigger and Bullet.  'nuf said.

21 Sep 2010 12:18 PM
The Rock


Looks like you did well this past week for foosball (Waterboy). I had a sweet 5 team parlay which would've hit until my aforementioned best bet of the week laid an egg the last 10 mins of the game (PHI). I had DEN, GB, ATL, & NJY to go along with them. Still made money with Indy & NO (4th Qtr Play) coming through. On to week 3. Um, is it safe to say that BUF & CAR are automatic bet againsts no matter the spread with Fitzpatrick & Claussen starting? lol

21 Sep 2010 12:48 PM

I believe Guy Madison was Wild Bill Hitchcock.  Duncan Renaldo was Cisco.  Jay Silverheels, Tonto on the Lone Ranger was born near Brantford, just west of Woodbine.

21 Sep 2010 12:59 PM


Dont forget,

Kinsaleking for the BC Sprint (dirt

California Flag BC sprint (turf

BourbonBay BC marathon or turf

21 Sep 2010 1:27 PM

Laz, also, just west of Woodbine, across the river in Detroit, the "Lone Ranger" Radio Show originated at WXYZ.  Misspelled Franz Liszt, and it was Schubert and Mendelssohn and not Hayden.

But, do tell us more about those adventures of Wild Bill "Hitchcock" going after the railroad thieves at Paddington Station.  Did he have to chase them all the way to the Lakes District or up to Inverness?

21 Sep 2010 1:29 PM

Dr D - I don't remember ANY of those movies or shows.  Maybe if I saw them again, I would, but they may be before my time.

stevebiscuit - The thing that I find amazing about Hollendorfer trying to avoid Zen is that he openly admits it!  Most times you just don't make a comment about whether you're "ducking" someone!  And I completely agree with your Secretariat comment!

Mike and GunBow - Thanks for your thoughts on Cigar.

Slew - I love your stories.  Horses on the news reel at the movies.  I WAS born too late.  At least I remember the Westerns on TV - THAT doesn't even happen anymore.  Can't the Cowboys just be a "banned topic" with your daughter?  Your son is dumb!  and lucky!

21 Sep 2010 1:47 PM

Slew - Just kidding about your son.

21 Sep 2010 1:49 PM

How about The Virginian.  It's out on DVD now I think.  James Drury was the best.  Check youtube for a bit under a dozen versions of the "ride in" theme song.....


Help.  We need a new blog.

21 Sep 2010 2:48 PM

my top 3 for the bcc, if they all go, are zenyatta, rachel, and blame. they all proved they can beat top horses. don't think quality road can beat any of them.

21 Sep 2010 2:56 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


  The bathtub scene out behind the saloon was scary. I think it was Gary Cooper. He had just gotten into town, just had one shot of rotgut whiskey, then wasn't even halfway through his shave in the tub, then one slice and it was over. The main star gone just like that. We saw Hitchcock playing poker, then the star of the movie was gone. That's how fast it happened. I haven't taken a bath since, just showers.

21 Sep 2010 2:58 PM
Abbie Knowles

Hi everyone!

I love The High Chaparral, Bonanza, The Lone Ranger and The Virginian!  Great shows all four!

God Bless

Best wishes


PS I liked Manolito (Henry Darrow) and Michael Landon (little Joe) the best but they were all brilliant!

21 Sep 2010 3:24 PM

Abbie: you HAD to bring up Manolito.

I looovvved him.

But I also loved Star Trek (Mr. Spock, of course) so what does that mean?

21 Sep 2010 3:44 PM


I'm not ancient but I can remember a lot of things from the middle of the last century.  I'm pretty sure that when her show came on in the intro she was standing on the back of a galloping horse and aiming her rifle at a target while the horse galloped past.

21 Sep 2010 4:04 PM
The Rock

That is a huge weight break for First Dude in the Penn Derby or Parx Derby, or whatever its called. He's definitley a fave I would try to beat at level weights, but getting 8 lbs. from the other contenders, I can't see him losing.

21 Sep 2010 4:26 PM

Duncan Reynaldo and Leo Carrillo were the first Hispanic actors to have their own series.  While the Cisco Kid and Pancho (gleaned from the pen of O'Henry) amazed, it was their horses Diablo and Loco that I loved.

Ruffianruns: My daughter and I love to torment each other too much not to argue about football.  And, yes, my son is thicker than a 4x4, which we have to use to get his attention most days.

But if you really want to get even with the kiddos, get the Trivial Pursuit Genus Edition.  What's history for them, was current events for me, and there are so many TB racing questions, you will not only astound will most likely win.  

21 Sep 2010 4:31 PM

Hey, Lazmannick and Dr Drunkinbum, thanks for providing the levity, this AM.  My wife and I have to take a beloved 10 year old female black and white cat to the vet, tomorrow night, to bring her rest.  She has an inoperable tumor on her jaw and throat.  Radiation will only provide a very short respite.  She has reached the point where eating is extremely difficult.  She has been a treasure for us in our pride of six. As many others have commented about the loss of one of their animals, it never gets any easier. So, thanks, for the laughs, this morning.

21 Sep 2010 4:41 PM

Star Trek...Yup

Discovered that 2nd season.  4 or 5 years later my Mom would dropped me off at Bjo Trimble's house with my Borzoi, Honey.  I slept on her hide-a-bed in the living room and helped stuff envelopes and type labels for the Filmcons with a bunch of other fans.  She and her husband John were the ones who handled the letter writing campaign that saved the original show. I also helped at the VIP room at a couple Sci-fi Cons and presented awards.  I was 16, 17, 18 at the time of the conventions.  Bjo, John, and a few others were great, but I eventually tired of all the big egos and I've never been into that kind of politics.  Was a fun time, though.  I have some stories....  

Bjo and John live in the Arcadia-Pasadena-Altadena-Monrovia area now.  When I emailed her one of my horses pictures, she said she had been promised a horse as a child, but it never came to be.  I going to remind her about Zenyatta racing on Oct. 2nd, closer to the day.

21 Sep 2010 4:42 PM
Mike Relva


Just wanted to  say that I'm very sorry for your situation.

21 Sep 2010 6:03 PM


Two years ago, May 28 to be precise, I had to take my dog Walker.  I got him when he was 8 weeks old and had him until he was 14.  He was a pointer, black and white with white the predominant color and black spots like someone threw black paint at him.  He went everywhere I went and got to the point that he knew how to manipulate me and get his way.  But he loved us as much as we loved him.  He developed cancer in the throat area also.  I remember going through it all, lifting him on the table, holding him while they gave him the needle, and me and my wife standing there crying like babies.  It was a relief for him though.  That’s the thing to remember.  The pain and suffering can get to the point that it’s unbearable.  We managed to have him cremated and have his ashes in a special urn.  I feel for what you are going through.  It sure isn’t easy.

21 Sep 2010 6:08 PM

Sodapopkid.  Thanks for the California Flag update.  He has 5 wins in 7 starts including a 3rd place finish in Dubai.  I like the back to back Green Flash Handicaps at Del Mar in which C-F finished 5f in 55 and change 2 years running.  This is certainly not a down hill course and he has shown no ill effects from his globe trotting.  

1800's.  Ah yes Kinsaleking beat the BC Spint Chapion Dancing in Silks in 108 and change.  Then he left the continent.

21 Sep 2010 6:29 PM

Aww, berttheclock, I am sorry for your loss.

21 Sep 2010 7:13 PM

berttheclock: "Rainbow Bridge" on Google (I don't know how to add that as a link here)

Whoever says "they're just animals" really doesn't get it, eh?

21 Sep 2010 7:14 PM

Berttheclock: So sorry to hear your kitty is gone.  My big bully, a black and white cat named 8-Ball, was overcome with cancer, and said goodbye 2 years ago.  Sometimes, in the night, I feel a cat pounce on the bed and creep up to snuggle.  I go to pet one of the calicoes, and none are there. So I figure it has to be 8-Ball, still jockeying for affection.  I wish you the same pleasant ghost.

21 Sep 2010 7:16 PM

Berttheclock: (I ended too fast)

For a little laugh, check the ENGINEER'S GUIDE TO CATS on YouTube.

Makes you smile anyways.

21 Sep 2010 7:21 PM

Gunbow.  The stories behind the Sunday Silence vs. Easy Goer are just as fasinating.  The "Bald Eagle" Charlie Whittingham showing up the the Preakness with a shoe print on his head where Sunday Silence had reared up and kicked him...He shrugged it off like the old Marine he was.  

Speaking of shoes.  Sunday Silence, trained up to the Preakness in a bar shoe due to a foot absess/bruise.  The ferrier just clipped the back off and he went to work.  

Prior to Easy Goer, Sunday Silence first had to dethrone the 3 million dollar Lukas wonder horse Houston.  

Probably one of the best statements caught on NBC.  After the Preakness jog out Patrick Valenzuela:  

"Pat [Day] tried to screw me the whole way around and couldn't do it!"  

21 Sep 2010 7:46 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


  No, they don't get it at all.


  The time is right. Too late is the worst regret.


  I experienced the exact same thing two years ago.

21 Sep 2010 8:57 PM


I remember when Houston beat Sunday Silence as a two year old.  It was raining, and I watched the race on TV.  Houston was expected to win easy, and a black colt made him work hard for the win.  I had check the colt's name in the paper the next day to find out it was Sunday Silence.  Hollywood Park I think?

21 Sep 2010 9:26 PM

berttheclock - I'm so very sorry about your cat.  You'll be doing the only thing left to do ... you're setting her free. That is the defining act of love.  

21 Sep 2010 10:09 PM

Slew, thank you for sharing that about 8-Ball.  Me, too.

My favorite "cowboy" was the Range Rider (Jock Mahoney).  Favorite "western" series was Broken Arrow (Michael Ansara).  Favorite horse in a series: Fury; favorite dog in a series: Rin-Tin-Tin (sorry, Flicka & Lassie).

I thought Dances With Wolves was just about the best movie I'd ever seen - until the horse got killed..then the wolf, Two-Socks - and I haven't been able to watch it all the way through again because I know what's coming is nigh unbearable.

21 Sep 2010 10:33 PM

Slew - Actually, your son's wearing that jacket there reminded me of when I was a kid with my mom, my brothers, an aunt, and a cousin IN Philly at a Phillies game.  They were playing the Pirates and John Candelaria was pitching for the Pirates.  My aunt had married a Candelaria, so we all called the Pirate pitcher "primo" or cousin!  So here we are, two women and four kids, wilding cheering for the Pirates in the middle of the Phillies home fans!  The Phillies fans were nicer than I thought they would be.  Summer of 1976 - it was a great time to visit that place.  Go get 'em on the trivia!

berttheclock - I'm so sorry to hear about your cat!  My two "tuxedo" sisters are my kids and reading your post just stabbed me with pain.  I have the ashes of my most beloved cat.

Laz - Ouch.  Just read your post about your pointer, Walker.  It's amazing how the pain just comes right back.

Slew - Ouch!  I'm glad 8-Ball comes to visit.  The 18 year old I put down has visited me a few times.  Once to tell me it was OK to get another cat.  After two years, I still wasn't going to because I thought I would never be able to be fair to her since I'd known cat perfection.  But then these two baby sisters came to me three years ago and they're delightful.  They're not perfect, but they're delightful!

21 Sep 2010 10:34 PM

berttheclock ,  I am so sorry for what you and yours are going through,  Although, this doesnt sound like you want it to , but if your baby is suffering and radiation will only let her linger in pain awhile longer, then whats the need to let her continue to live in pain.  I know this is so hard to do, but seeing them suffer is even worse. If she is suffering, she is not at peace.

Gosh, this is something all pet owners have to face eventually, I dont think it ever gets any easier.  

NOw , I am sad,  My boxer is 8 years old, I know I have got to cross this bridge to someday.

I also have a cat that is going on 13, I know her time can be anytime at her age.

May peace be with you and your family at this time...

21 Sep 2010 10:35 PM

LAZ : Awesome hit on that 7-1, I don't think the Beyer mattered much in a race like that ;) and like you said, you need luck and CV was lucky he had room to move out from behind that horse.  I don't know yet who he'll face in the Mile, if it's the same bunch, I might jump back on the wagon.  I've always had one leg on his wagon whenever he runs but maybe it's time to jump all the way in before my other leg falls off lol.  I wonder if the condition of the turf helped him cause like you said, it's not truly firm.  If that's the case then hopefully CD's turf will be in the same condition and he may again be overlooked.

The way TUQT ran that race, he'll probably be one of the favorites in the Mile, taking some bets away from CV. He actually looked good but for betting purposes, I was glad CV beat him.

Dr. D: I was wondering who your long shots are lol.  It'd be really hard to beat Blame in the JCGC unless he emptied his tank in the Whitney which to me, didn't look like he did.  He looked like he was just getting in gear that last 30 yards in that race.  

GunBow : If Zen wins her last 2 races, she'll have 20 race stretch as well.  If she wins against the tough Classic field this year, would you say she's right up there with Cigar ?  I'm not trying to "push" Zenyatta to you, just wondering what your take on that.  I have a lot of respect on your knowledge of horse racing, specially when it comes to horses and your analysis of how they run.  I know you're fair and balanced and true about your opinions so I'm curious what you think if she wins 20 races and undefeated.

Stevebiscuit : I wish she would get that kind of odds in the LS lol.  Or have a 50-1 shot to come in 2nd just like the Santa Margarita.  I hit that super and it paid nice for picking 3 horses lol.  

LOW : You're saying that Musket Man would've "throttled" the mares that Zenyatta beat this year ?  Really ?  I don't know...I didn't think about that one lol.  Just wondering, you do know Zenyatta is a mare right ?  Just making sure...

One more time (probably not the last time either since you keep ignoring it) I believe that Team Z is after a much much more elusive award than the HOTY.  Yes, they'd be really happy if they win it but I also honestly believe that Zenyatta's legacy will be greatly enhanced with a back to back Classic against really tough MALE fields, and that's what Team Z wants.  I don't think a HOTY award can even compete against that kind of achievement.

Mike Relva : LOL, I didn't mean to imply you were "old", I'm 41 and I was saying to hopefully retire soon to allow me to travel like you to see these horses.

21 Sep 2010 10:45 PM

You guys keep talking about Fury, the series.  I have an old, old book (that I can't find now) about a horse named Fury.  I'm wondering if the series was based on the book.  It had a song in it that I put a tune to.  I used to sing it all the time.  I think the song was

Fury!  Fury!

From Oregon, east to Missouri,

Many fine horses are roaming this land,

But King of them all is Fury!

Wow!  I can't believe I remembered it!  It just came out when I started singing like I was a kid!  

Do you know if they're connected?

21 Sep 2010 10:56 PM
Paula Higgins

berttheclock, I am so sorry about your beloved kitty. I have been there twice with 2 cats and twice with 2 dogs. I know exactly how you feel and how heartbreaking this is for you. Just know alot of us on this blog are sending our thoughts your way. They ARE members of your family and all that implies.

21 Sep 2010 11:06 PM

Jason,  Since you are such a Point Given fan ,  How many times have you been out to Three Chimneys Farm to visit him?    

21 Sep 2010 11:27 PM

Well JayJay,considering the best mare that Zenyatta beat this year, St. Trinians, was trounced pretty badly by unspectacular males, yeah I think it's a pretty safe bet that Musket Man would "throttle" the entire lot of her foes.

And really, you're the one missing the point.  If Zenyatta wins the Classic again, she obviously will be HOY - unanimously.  But if she loses, she not only loses the Classic, but also HOY.  Quality Road & Blame could lose the Classic and still win HOY assuming someone other than Zenyatta or Lookin At Lucky wins the race based on their strength of competition.

21 Sep 2010 11:37 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


  I have to see the pps first of all, then I might have a longshot, but often have to see the horses also !!!! I'm not always going to have a longshot on paper, especially if the paper isn't out yet !!!! I can asure you 100% that Blame did not empty his tank. It will take a monster effort to beat him. I don't know the odds but I do like Afleet Again for Saturday.


   Fury was a show in the 50's. Was that book from the 50's or prior? I loved that show. It was my favorite at the time. I was a little kid. You sure can belt it out !!!

22 Sep 2010 1:30 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


  Any progress on the new track? Are you going to go check it out when they're putting it in? I'm going to try to make it if you'll watch a few races with me. I'm a paddock fanatic, and then usually at the rail to watch the finish of the race. Hopefully my back will be better so I can stand a lot. I haven't been there since 1972, and don't remember that much anyway, except winning with Laffit Pincay. Can you watch the horses being led into the paddock?

22 Sep 2010 2:00 AM
Dr Drunkinbum


  I'm glad you see the quality of Musket Man. Some don't. Any word on where he's running next? He never gives up. Heart of gold. He makes every race he's in tougher. I'd like to see him win. He deserves it.

22 Sep 2010 2:07 AM


The thing about Court Vision's race in the Woodbine Mile was that he came from so far back in the stretch.  Woodbine horses can come from a long way back in turf races, but they usually make their move well before the stretch and get into striking position like in the Northern Dancer.  The Woodbine turf stretch is the longest in N/A and you would think that stone closers would have an edge.  However, it is slightly downhill coming home which actually helps front runners or those close to the pace keep their momentum going and make them hard to catch.  Apparently the turf was listed as good that morning so it had some give to it which benefited CV.  Also, he was coming in off a layoff which is good and he'll be going to the BC with additional rest compared to last year.

Goldikova is still the horse to beat, but this race is shaping up as a tremendous race.  The one thing about Goldi is that both her wins in N/A were at Santa Anita.  How will she handle Churchill?

Regarding the bet, I don't usually bet those type of stakes races but CV's odds were too enticing I threw a few bucks on him to win.  However, if I would have made the $200 show bet that I talked about before I would have pulled back $540, a $340 profit.  A place bet would have been a $560 profit.  Forget about that much to win in a race like this.

22 Sep 2010 2:19 AM


Don't forget that the male races that St. Trinians ran in she carried 134 lbs. in winning and lost by less than a length carrying 138 lbs.  By comparison, I know that the males Goldikova raced agaisnt were Group winners, but she never carried more than 126 lbs. when faceing them.  Its safe to say that if S.T. would have carried 126 lbs in each of her male races she would have won every one of them.  I still think she was underestimated.

22 Sep 2010 2:28 AM

Thank you to everyone.

At least, we were able to give her many years of shelter and safety.  One day, an overweight scruffy looking Sylvester showed up begging for food.  We fed "him" until he disappeared.  When, "he" returned, she was very thin and had 3 kittens trailing behind.  So, Sylvester became Sylvia, who became Momma.  She and one daughter remained house kitties along with our others.  We found homes for her two males.  She was an A type, very affectionate, sassy brass and a people kitty who loved greeting our guests.  She had a ton of Personality. Yes, life is, indeed, far too short, so, living it to the max is much more than a cliche.

Now, onward, to the Breeder's Cup (and, to "my" KC Chiefs).  Better days, everyone.  Thanks, again.

22 Sep 2010 8:27 AM
Mike Relva


Lol I know it,I'm joking.

22 Sep 2010 9:22 AM
Zenyatta Rules

Does anyone realize that Zenyatta's two fastest Beyer races were on dirt and anyone that knows anything about racing will tell you that horses run faster on dirt compared to synthetic.  Good Luck passing her down the backstretch in the Classic.....

22 Sep 2010 11:34 AM

Musket Man is a nice honest colt but come on.  Has he even won a race this year?  And Quality Road...he picks up the Met Mile, then summers at the Spa.  He's in for a serious thrashing at the hands of some 50-1 Euro who can actually run 1 1/4. He's hardly put a resume together as previous HOY winners have.   He needs to win the Classic to have any shot at HOY.  

22 Sep 2010 11:55 AM

Aluminaut.  Yes Sunday Silence, Winning Colors, Alysheba, Ferdinand...hardly legends as January rolled around and they turned 3.

In January Sunday Silence was just 1 for 3 with no stakes wins.  I can see why you had to search the paper after the race to see who the little black colt was.

Winning Colors was 2 for 2 but had no stakes wins.

Alysheba 1 for 7.  Entered the gate in Churchill with just a maiden win.

By January, Ferdinand was just 1 for 5 when Santa Anita opened for its winter meet.

Conditioning back then was RACING and not always winning.  All went on to do great things after their 3 year old Derby season was over.

22 Sep 2010 12:11 PM

Berttheclock: I'm assuming this day has come and passed for you with sadness and grief.  8-Ball was 12.  It was only 6 weeks from onset to the day he no longer had the strength to hold up his own head.  As sad as that day had been for me, when I came home from the vets, my 10 year old snugly Calico, Bubbles, would not come near me.  Way to turn the screws, Bubs!  Two months later, I brought home a faded calico kitten as a companion for Bubbles.  Somehow, Bubbles channeled the bully that was 8-Ball, and terrorized Sweetie Pie. (She got that name because it was 2 weeks before I could coax her out of hiding to get a look at her, and by then she responded only to Sweetie Pie).  I had to keep them separated for a year when they were finally the same size.  They now warily cohabitate the same home.  Sweetie is 2, Bubbles is 12 and they chase each other around the house like lightning bolts.  Their uneasy truce has established Bubbles as the Queen, and Sweetie as "Watch your step" lackey.  And they are both loving and snugly.(just not to each other)  Bubbles has had, in the past 2 years, 3 major surgeries for cancer.  The vet and I decided there would be no more cutting.  Any further lumps will be ignored.  I just want her to be as happy and rambunctious as she chooses.  And she sometimes chooses to be downright snobby.  I hope this helps you Bert, to get past today and to look forward with fond memories.

22 Sep 2010 12:13 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Great job Jimmy Jerkens catching that injury early before it did really serious damage. A really good trainer with a keen eye. A shame we won't have Afleet Express this year who was becoming a serious force, but hopefully he can run 100% next year, and be one of the top three in the nation.

22 Sep 2010 1:28 PM
rifleman rocks

The show Rifleman starring Chuck Connors was the best. Gee pwaaaa

how comes dija hafta shoot heem?

22 Sep 2010 2:48 PM

"Have gun will travel

reads the card of a man.

A knight without armor

in a savage land..."

Paladin - ugly but stylish!

Presious Passion takes to the track again today in the 9th at Delaware. Hope he is truly back.

22 Sep 2010 4:01 PM
Mike Relva


I'm glad you asked that question.

22 Sep 2010 4:06 PM


My thoughts are with you at this sad time. As someone who's had to say goodbye too many times, I know that it's never easy. Big hugs to you.

22 Sep 2010 4:18 PM

Dr. Drunkinbum,

The Santa Anita website has a workout camera that broadcasts live from the track. Nothing seems to be happening, so far. If you stay on it long enough, you may see some activity proving that it's actually "live". I hope they keep it going once the work starts. It will be interesting to see the progress from day to day. With no horses on the premises they should be able to get it done faster and easier.

I'll look forward to spending some time with you when you come down this way. The paddock area is fantastic and if you know where to go, you can watch the horses coming in from the barn area, watch them get saddled and see them as they go around in the walking oval.

The track apron is tiered and offers a good view for many people. When I first started going to the races, I used to watch from there. Now, I have a box, because I can't stand for extended periods but I go to the paddock area as much as I can.

I was there when they unveiled the new statue of John Henry. It is life size and takes one's breath away. I know, you'll love seeing it. It's by the huge fountain near the entrance. The statue of Seabiscuit is in the paddock area and pales in comparison, but I can't imagine it not being there. On Big Cap day, they put a blanket of flowers on his back. Great touch!

Runflatout is still at Alamo Pintado. He didn't go to the ranch last weekend as planned. They kept him to make sure he didn't have an adverse reaction to the medicine he was given to fight the infection. The new scheduled departure for Winners Circle Ranch in Bradbury (not far from SA) is tomorrow morning. If all goes according to plan, I'll be able to go see him there. Poor little soul, he must be wondering what the heck is going on. He was a lot sicker than we thought. Hopefully, this series of treatments will have done the job. I'll report after I see him.

22 Sep 2010 4:56 PM

Aw - Presious Passion could only manage 4th. Maybe he's just a bit short.

New favorite  - Sharkbait Ooh Haha. He's a 3yr old minor leaguer but has a great name.

22 Sep 2010 5:07 PM

What about Sky King?  Can't remember the name of the male lead but his niece was Penny and she DID STUFF (which was important to girls watching the Saturday morning shows).  

Berttheclock: Looks like your cat will have a lot of welcomes from other loved pets  -- RIP Bepi, Hugo and Daisy

22 Sep 2010 5:12 PM
Dr Drunkinbum


   Thank you so much for your response, and info on SA. Poor Runflatout, but it sounds like they are doing everything right. I sure hope that you do get to go see him at the ranch. They really need to go very slow with him now. Plenty of time at the ranch would be great. I'll check out that SA live workout camera. That is great that we'll be seeing them coming from the barn area. You can learn a lot at that point.

22 Sep 2010 5:30 PM


Yeah Quality Road probably does need to win the classic to win HOY.  Unless it's a scenario where he opens up down the stretch, is tagged by some ridiculous longshot at the wire, while Zenyatta, Blame & Lookin At Lucky are all off the board.

True Musket Man hasn't won in awhile, but he's been locking horns with the best in the country save Zenyatta, who he could not have faced this year.  He wasn't embarrassed by Blame at all and was compromised by having to press the pace when the expected frontrunner started badly.

Dr D,

I heard probably the Hawthorne Gold Cup next up for Musket Man, and then deciding between the BC Dirt Mile and the Classic.

22 Sep 2010 5:31 PM

With all the talk of saying goodbye to pets I'd like to ask everyone to send up a prayer for Shawn Brasseaux. Please keep him , and his daughter Casey, his Dad and sister and the rest of his family in your thoughts.

Shawn was the outrider who got the thrill of escorting Super Saver to the Winners Circle after the Derby, thanks to Greg Blasi. Shawn had an ear to ear grin, a Cajun good guy escorting another Cajun.

Shawn was going to retire from outriding and go back to his roots as a QH trainer after the Breeders Cup. At 42 he was taken from our racing community tragically.

Please keep his loved ones in your thoughts and prayers.

22 Sep 2010 5:48 PM

Aw Zookeeper: I'll keep Runflatout in my thoughts for you.  Good luck with him.

22 Sep 2010 6:51 PM

LOW : I think you missed my point about MM and the MARES that Zenyatta beat this year.  I was being sarcastic in that MM would never ever race those mares.  I don't even know how you can argue a male horse beating a bunch of mares.  I think that only happens in harness racing.  If I ask you to give me a scenario where MM can beat the mares Z beat, what would you say ? lol

Finally, you can argue with yourself about HOTY.  I don't know how many times I have to tell you lol.  If Team Z wants it, fine, I believe they don't.  Zen's fans don't need it, we're quite happy where she is, what she's done and whatever she does in the Classic.

Zookeeper : Thank you for the news on RunFlatOut.  Wishing him "speedy" recovery.

22 Sep 2010 9:25 PM

Maybe YOU don't care about HOY, JayJay, but you hardly speak for all Zen fans.  Many of her fans are disappointed that Z hasn't taken on the likes of QR, Blame or MM even one time.  Hopefully she'll finally take them on in the Classic, but considering the utterly unambitious campaign her connections have run this year, taking the easy road yet again in the Ladies Classic would be no surprise.  Maybe they feel with no Rachel Alexandras to surpass, they can take the big trophy simply by continuing to crush cheesepuffs.

But I have no doubt that this year, Moss wants that HOY trophy bad enough to cut off his left pinky for it, or maybe even an appendage a bit lower, LOL!

22 Sep 2010 11:34 PM

Dr. D., Slew, jayjay,

Thank you. I'll relay the message. lol!

22 Sep 2010 11:40 PM

Dr D - I think the book was older than the 50's, but I don't know for sure.  I can't find it.  Do you have back problems?  I'm sorry.  We have too much in common!  Oh - today I was driving home and I saw the word FUN on a billboard or on a truck or something.  Maybe it was just the suggestion of the word FUN.  My first thought:  Dr D and I can get a horse and name it FunFlatOut!  My apologies to Zookeeper.

Zookeeper - Thanks for the update.  I was imagining him at the ranch all this week.  I'm thinking of him.

Hang in there berttheclock.

Thanks, Will.

I'm bummed about Afleet Express and do you think Presious needed the race?

23 Sep 2010 12:35 AM
Mike Relva


Zenyatta WILL NOT run in the Ladies Classic. This has been said like a million times about the schedule she ran this year. I GOT IT!

23 Sep 2010 9:21 AM


Like I said no disrespect to Musket Man.  I have loved this horse since he was Jason's "Long Shot" pick of the Kentucky Derby.  I had him in my super.  

Love under valued "blue collar" types who don't make their researve at sales coming out and dancing toe to toe with better bred costly colts.  No one has told MM he can't run this far! I would not fall out of my seat if he won the Classic and would be upset had I not played him.

Look what they paid for Blind Luck...she should be running at the county fair!  

If Quality Road wins the Classic I have no problem saying he is HOY but the scenario your describing is the "Curlin" scenario and I think his Dubai score against an up and coming Well Armed (who won the Dubai race the following year) excused his poor performance in the BC Classic and it became his "mulligan".  I would argue that QR does not have this.  But it is an interesting thought.  Who wins HOY with Zenyatta, Blame, and QR finishing off the board?

23 Sep 2010 1:17 PM

QR has ran like 4 times this year.  Granted they were all spectacular.  But is this not the same argument we used against Zenyatta last year as well as currently (light schedule?)  I personally have no problem with it as it is the trainer knowing what is best for the horse. I think Whittingham brought 3 year old Sunday Silence to the Breeder's Cup off works after stopping in the lane during the early summer Swaps stakes. It paid off in both respects...Classic win (HOY).  Both Zenyatta's and QR's trainer know what it takes to get a horse to win come that big weekend in November.  It's going to be a great show down.  

23 Sep 2010 1:32 PM


At no time, I'll state that no time have the Moss'es ever been worried about Rachel at any distance from 1 1/16M and up.  In her hayday Rachel might have won the one-turn Mother Goose in 1.46.33 against a nothing field, but Zen ran a two-turn BC Distaff in 1.46.85 againsyt a real field.  At 1 1/16M Rachel's best is 1.42.4.  Zen has run faster than that seven times and has run 1.40 and change three times.  If you think they brought her back this year to run in teh Distaff I don't think so. It's obvious that the target is the BCC and it is also believable that defeting males two years running in the BCC might be worth more to them than HOY.  

23 Sep 2010 6:05 PM


True, one of the strikes against Zenyatta last year was too light a schedule (five races) in addition to too weak a schedule.  Quality Road figures to have just as light a schedule this year as does Blame.  And yet, because there is no monster Rachel Alexandra-like campaign to compete against, any of the three who wins the Classic is almost guaranteed to be HOY this year.

Jerry Hollendorfer doesn't want to take on Zenyatta with Blind Luck in the Lady's Secret, and who can blame him.  But what I think he should do is run her in the Goodwood against a group of males who are all inferior to Zenyatta.  If she wins that, she now has an HOY-worthy campaign and would be poised to take the award if the Big Three plus Lookin At Lucky falter.

Mike R,

Yeah, I believe they will run Zenyatta in the Classic and not the Ladies Classic.  And I will root for Zenyatta in the Classic just like last year.  But I'm going on record saying I also plan to root for Rachel Alexandra in the Ladies Classic.  And if they run Zenyatta in that race, I'll be rooting against her for the first time.

23 Sep 2010 6:11 PM

LOW : For a Zen fan, you seem to miss a lot of things about Team Z.  After the AB, they said they're going back to the Classic, they have never mentioned the Ladies Classic or any other race as their goal.  I don't even know how you can mention about her running in the BCLC.  Also, if you think their goal is the HOTY, why would they go the same route they did last year when they know it would never work with the east coast bias (even though it worked for Azeri.) The same route WORKED WELL for the Classic (hint hint.)

RA is running in the Ladies Classic, Zenyatta with the big boys, get it ?  Check out the odds link that Jason posted, and see if you can find Zenyatta in the LC lineup.  You keep trying to find something to complain about, it's 6 weeks away and you're still complaining.  How about you just let her run her next race and then watch her win the Classic. :)  You also don't have a vote in the HOTY btw, so I don't know why you're so "hyper" about that award.  I don't care about the HOTY, what would be really thrilling for ME is for her to defeat the big boys ON THEIR TURF in the BIGGEST race of the year (and have an awesome ending to her career as a racehorse.)  If you think HOTY can compare to that thrill, well each their own.

I'm glad Householder got it, I've said all along that if your goal is the Classic you'll have to take the easy route.  You can't run your horse to the ground before September.  Imagine if Zen ran in the Vanity, then the HGC and then the Woodward and then the JCGC, what do you think will be left of her for the Classic ??  Those are great races to win and will probably get her HOTY even without the Classic but again, here's the question :

HOTY (2010) or Back 2 Back Classic winner against a tough male fields ?

Which one do you think will be talked about 10 years from now ?

23 Sep 2010 11:30 PM

Will : Yes, I read about that tragic accident.  My thoughts are with his family. Thanks for posting that.

Dr. D / Zookeeper : Any tips on where to hang out at HP to get me good access to Zen ?  You guys know anyone at the track I can bribe to get up close to the Queen ?  I'm only staying for a day, unless I hit the pick 6, then i'll be sick for a week stuck in LA ;)

23 Sep 2010 11:40 PM

Actually jayjay, neither of us may be wrong this year.  You say all Team Z cares about is back to back Classic wins.  I say they desperately want HOY.  Well this year, if they get one, they'll get the other.  All your talk about an eastern bias is nonsense.  Rachel Alexandra won last year because she ran a better campaign and you're still a sore loser over it and blaming some mythical bias despite your never-ending claims that you have nothing against Rachel.  Meanwhile, I'm on the east coast today with a possible chance to finally see Rachel live if she goes in the Beldame.  Nevertheless, I'm flying back to LA to make sure I don't miss Zenyatta.

The HOY award is the recognized championship of horseracing, whether YOU like it or not.  I'm from LA, the city of champions where Kobe Bryant has five rings and Phil Jackson has 11.  LeBron who?  And hopefully Zenyatta joins the list of LA champions this year, no thanks to her dead weight connections.  Nobody is asking for Zenyatta to run in all those races you mentioned - how about just one?  You don't appreciate the significance of championships, jayjay.  Maybe because you live in some town where they haven't won one in eons?

24 Sep 2010 1:44 AM

Actually jayjay, neither of us may be wrong this year.  You say all Team Z cares about is back to back Classic wins.  I say they desperately want HOY.  Well this year, if they get one, they'll get the other.  All your talk about an eastern bias is nonsense.  Rachel Alexandra won last year because she ran a better campaign and you're still a sore loser over it and blaming some mythical bias despite your never-ending claims that you have nothing against Rachel.  Meanwhile, I'm on the east coast today with a possible chance to finally see Rachel live if she goes in the Beldame.  Nevertheless, I'm flying back to LA to make sure I don't miss Zenyatta.

The HOY award is the recognized championship of horseracing, whether YOU like it or not.  I'm from LA, the city of champions where Kobe Bryant has five rings and Phil Jackson has 11.  LeBron who?  And hopefully Zenyatta joins the list of LA champions this year, no thanks to her dead weight connections.  Nobody is asking for Zenyatta to run in all those races you mentioned - how about just one?  You don't appreciate the significance of championships, jayjay.  Maybe because you live in some town where they haven't won one in eons?

24 Sep 2010 1:44 AM

I have a strange feeling come BC Classic time, Zenyatta is going to get disrespected at the window and go off at 6-1. The question will be, should I bet her or Blame? I can see a scenario where the speed melts down, and Zenyatta takes the lead in deep stretch, and then eases up a bit. She sometimes does this when she thinks she's already won the race. Thats' where a horse like Blame, who style is to keep on running, could possibly run by her in the last 100 yards, without Zenyatta even knowing what just happened. Blame is a horse who digs into the ground and motors home fast. He's a fierce competitor who can handle a fast or wet track. It's Claiborne Farms 100th Anniversary, and it just so happens they have a horse whose won five straight races. In this years BC Classic, I believe, Blame is the horse to beat.  

24 Sep 2010 1:44 PM

I like say he won 5 straight....guess who won 18 straight.

24 Sep 2010 4:38 PM
Mike Relva


That's your choice.

24 Sep 2010 9:38 PM

jayjay - Please go read my last post on Steve's Slew blog.  It's about HP next weekend.

25 Sep 2010 1:45 AM


If you want a good look at Zenyatta and don't mind that she'll be walking fast, walk north past the saddling area along the horse-walk path until you can't go any further.  You'll see all the horses enter, usually in numerical order.  You can take pictures, then follow them to the paddock which will be packed.  Zenyatta will walk by just a couple feet away from you with John S. following close-by.

25 Sep 2010 2:02 AM
Mike Relva


JAYJAY isn't a "sore loser". Question? Would you ever admit here it's almost Oct and RA still hasn't won a Grade 1? Right.

25 Sep 2010 1:25 PM

LOW : One more thing to add, championships doesn't mean you worked hard for it.  There are many many teams that buy championships by buying the players.  Oakland As are known for putting together a championship caliber team without spending hundreds of millions.  I'm not from Oakland and I don't root for the As, I'm a Giants fan through and through.  I still don't get your point on mentioning basketball though...was it just to attack me because I live in a small town and you live in LA?   If so, I'm crying over here, it really hurt...

Your flip flopping is really getting tiring, IMO, you're not a fan of the horse, you're a fan of whoever wins.  When Rachel wasn't winning, you jumped on the QR wagon.  And're on Zenyatta because QR lost the Whitney.  I'm sure you'll jump on Blame's wagon next if he wins the JCGC.  I almost called you Draynay...funny that.

28 Sep 2010 1:02 PM


I'm late to the blog 'party". Thank you for video of Espoir City and the candid interview with

Yokoyama San.  He was very forthright and that is very refreshing in today's world.  I agree with his sentiment about Casino Drive - he would have been a force to run against.  I saw him in the paddock at Belmont for the Peter Pan and then he won it.  There was no question in my mind when I had my first look at him that he would win, not only that race, but whatever else he was entered in.  It is a shame he had such bad luck with physical issues.  I believe he is retired to stud.  He had the look of Eagles and was a very handsome horse who exhibited exuberance.  I I think it is great that so many international racing stars - Japanese and European are interested in running here in various Breeder's Cup Races again this year.  Good publicity which racing badly needs.

However for the Classic, my heart and prayers belong to Zenyatta the Queen of the turf!  Next in order is Quality Road, Lookin at Lucky and Blame.  Hopefully she will win, but win or lose I want them all home in one piece and sound.

28 Sep 2010 4:27 PM
Mike Relva


Guess you won't be rooting for RA since she's retired. Should be an example that shows over and over how people's expections in racing can crumble in a split second.

28 Sep 2010 5:25 PM
Mike Relva


I agree,LIVESOUTHWEST isn't a true fan,he's like DRAYNAY zero loyality to any horse.

28 Sep 2010 7:34 PM

Mike Relva : It's funny how those "fans" true colors comes out when the horse they've been glorifying all year doesn't perform to their expectations.  At least Draynay is consistent with his bashing of Zenyatta and he doesn't pretend to like her or her team unlike some other bloggers :)  I do know that when Zenyatta wins, Draynay will leave the dark side and join the millions of Zen fans.  Zenyatta beats the boys on dirt, their hometrack (east coast) and does it easily :)  What more can Draynay ask for ??  I won't be surprise if after the Classic, someone spots Draynay at GP next year wearing a pink dress and teal colored heels. LOL

29 Sep 2010 3:28 AM

Did anyone see that workout video by Blame ??  I'm going on the record that this horse is peaking at exactly the right time for the Classic.  It wouldn't surprise me if he loses the JCGC as I don't think they will go all out to win that race.  They will have him at tip top shape for the Classic, and he's really the one that would make me lose that bet to Jason...I hope they decide to retire him before the Classic lol.

29 Sep 2010 3:55 AM

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