Juvy Showdown: Boys vs. Mo

Both broke their maidens by double-digit lengths. Both came right back with impressive grade I wins. Both are based in New York for powerful trainers who have said their respective horses are as talented as any 2-year-old they have ever had.

Boys At Tosconova vs. Uncle Mo. Breeders' Cup Juvenile: Nov. 6 at Churchill Downs, 3:55 p.m. EDT, 1 1/16 miles on dirt. Let's get ready...to rumble!

In this corner we have Boys At Tosconova from the barn of Rick Dutrow Jr., owned by a group headed by Jay Em Ess Stable. The dark bay colt was a modest $35,000 Keeneland yearling sale purchase. The son of Officer out of the Coronado's Quest mare Little Bonnet scored by 12 lengths in a five-furlong maiden special weight on July 2 at Belmont. He followed up that effort with a 1 3/4-length victory over a solid field in the Sept. 6 Hopeful in which he proved he could rate behind the leaders. He is ridden by Ramon Dominguez.

In the other corner we have Uncle Mo from the barn of Todd Pletcher, owned by Mike Repole. The bay colt was bought for $220,000 at the same Keeneland yearling sale. The son of Indian Charlie out of the Arch mare Playa May romped by 14 1/4 lengths in his debut going six furlongs Aug. 28 at Saratoga. He followed that up with a dazzling 4 3/4-length score in the Oct. 9 Champagne, albeit against a weaker group of juveniles but still impressive given the way he fought off a rival during a quick pace and kicked on in the stretch. His time of 1:34.51 for one mile at Belmont nearly broke the stakes record. He is ridden by John Velazquez.

You have only have two weeks left to make up your mind which of these heavyweights you will back. Will it be Boys, who has maybe been a little more tested but enters off a longer layoff? Or will it be Mo, the undeniable speedball who could not have looked more impressive in his two starts but has not exactly faced world beaters?

At this point, many of the morning lines seem to slightly favor Uncle Mo, but not by much. It will be interesting to see who the big money backs on Nov. 6. I, for one, have not made up my mind yet and will reserve judgment until I see them next week.

Oh by the way, the Juvenile is not a two-horse race. Pletcher and Repole will also send out the talented and well-bred Stay Thirsty, who was runner-up to Boys in the Hopeful. There are also two good-looking California shippers, Norfolk winner Jaycito and Del Mar Futurity winner J P's Gusto. And don't forget about undefeated Breeders' Futurity winner J. B.'s Thunder.

Who do you fancy?

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ThoroghbredZone

Uncle Mo is a single to me in Pick 3's. And I'll work around him in the other races.

22 Oct 2010 10:51 AM
Frank J.

Stay Thirsty or Jaycito.

22 Oct 2010 11:17 AM
tcc

Jason:

KNOWN HORSES WHOSE CONNECTIONS INTEND TO RUN

JUVENILE

The 27th running of the Grade I, $2 million Grey Goose Breeders’ Cup Juvenile for 2-year-old colts and geldings at 1 1/16 mile on Saturday, Nov. 6 (Race 7, 3:55 p.m. ET, TV: ESPN):

Boys At Tosconova (Rick Dutrow Jr.)

J P’s Gusto (David Hofmans)

Jaycito (Mike Mitchell)

Stay Thirsty (Todd Pletcher)

Uncle Mo (Todd Pletcher)

Known horses whose connections may be giving the Juvenile some consideration: Astrology, Blue Laser (or Delta Jackpot), Caleb’s Posse, Factum, J.B.’s Thunder (or Delta Jackpot), Madman Diaries (or Delta Jackpot), Major Gain (or Juvenile Turf), Mountain Town, Murjan, Riveting Reason, Rockin Heat, and Rogue Romance (or Juvenile Turf).

22 Oct 2010 11:32 AM
Saratoga AJ

These two have the look of Affirmed vs. Alydar. I was present to see them run their last race and believe me, it's hard to pick between them. Both Todd and Rick are confident they have the best juvenile in training.  

The odds may favor Mo, so Boys will offer better value at the windows...but how much better?

One thing is for sure, the rest of the field will be a bunch of overlays.

This may be the most anticipated BC Juvenile in a long time.

22 Oct 2010 11:38 AM
mikeg

I don't always drink beer when I'm betting on the Breeders Cup,  but when I do I prefer Dos Equis.  Stay Thirsty my friends!   Stay Thirsty has to be the play for the BC Juvenile now that Dos Equis is the official sponser.

22 Oct 2010 11:50 AM
Zen's Auntie

Jaycito for me he really looked sharp and mature in the norfolk another "synthetic" horse that should fire like mad on dirt.  I'll be Rootin for Bandbox tomorrow.

22 Oct 2010 11:50 AM
-Keelerman

What a race this is turning out to be! This could be the most exciting Breeders' Cup Juvenile in recent years!

Of the big two, I like Uncle Mo. Not many horses can run the fractions he did in the Champagne and still close in :24 seconds.

On the other hand, Boys at Tosconova has shown the ability to rate, something Uncle Mo has yet to do. But then, you can't tell much about a colt from only two starts! :)

However, neither Uncle Mo or Boys at Tosconova have gone around two turns before. This worries me to some extent, which is why I won't forget about Jaycito. He has been proven around two turns, winning the Del Mar Futurity despite going quite wide on both turns. He could often some real value, and does have the synthetic-to-dirt angle going for him.

It's going to be an exciting race no matter who wins.

-Keelerman

22 Oct 2010 11:58 AM
WinnahPickah

One thing I dislike about Belmont Park is it limits two turn opportunities for Juveniles. I agree with the previous poster look for a 'synthetic to dirt' horse that has gone two turns.

Indian Charlie had distance limitations and I will need to see Uncle Mo show me stamina.

22 Oct 2010 12:04 PM
oliver

Premier Pegasus will be entered after his upcoming dazzling performance on Saturday at Oak Tree. and he'll be a contender. Myung Kwon Cho's Riveting Reason just got 3rd in the Norfolk - but apparently Riveting is" not even in the same league" as Premier Pegasus... here's to hoping for the unlikely....

22 Oct 2010 12:17 PM
The Rock

Its tough to call these horses Affirmed & Alydar when they haven't met yet.

Looks like there are a lot of horses that want to be up on the lead. Uncle Mo has looked the best of the East Coast horses IMO. Jaycito always seemed to be that type of horse who would appreciate two turns since his Del Mar Futurity run. I think its between those two. I really don't like the way "Boys" is coming up to this race. Never been farther than 7f's, long layoff. Jason, you say he's been tested. I think its the total opposite. He beat 3 horses in the Hopeful. Lots of speed in the pedigree. Dutrow has been trying to use this 8-12 week gap between races to get the best out of horses. I think its only worked on Court Vision in the WO Mile. Look at what happened to Rail Trip and the others he's used it on. Complete toss for me. Looks like this year's watered down version of Cuvee. Pace factory and nothing else if its a full field.

22 Oct 2010 12:21 PM
annie

Go,GO,Go....UNCLE MO!

22 Oct 2010 12:57 PM
TradingPlaces

I'm liking Mo. Saratoga was a track that saw horses go rubber legged in the final furlong in sprints after setting a fast pace. Just look at Discreetly Mine or R Heat Lighting. The former ran a 13 second final furlong the latter a 14! Mo is on the lead the entire time, runs a fast pace and closes in 11.76. Has he shown he can rate, no, not yet. He has such an incredibly high cruising speed he may not always need to rate, especially when he can still spurt away like a horse that ran a 1.13 instead of a 1.10. Now he can relax very well on the lead, and personally I think if Johnny V wanted to pull him back, instead of hustling he would rate.

Indian Charlie may have been best at shorter, but a win at 9 furlongs and third in the Derby is not what I would call distance limitations. Arch did not have any limitations and that is the grand sire of this colt. Blame has Arch as a sire, and it is not like he disgraced himself in the Gold Cup. Zenyatta's pedigree includes Kris S. who is the sire of Arch. He also has Dixieland Band, who's sire was Norther Dancer, a Derby winner.

This colt has plenty of stamina to help balance out the speed that his sire typically gives.

22 Oct 2010 1:03 PM
Frank J.

@mikeg: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Great stuff.

22 Oct 2010 1:10 PM
sodapopkid

I'll take Jacito because he ran so good in the Norfolk, and M.Smith will be on him but the biggest plus  he will have is he is coming off synthetics to dirt.  Always a plus.    

1) Jacito

2) Uncle Mo

3)J P Gusto

4) Boys of Tosconova

Here's my order of finish.   Dutrow's horse isn't going to be able to hold off those synthetic trained horses.

22 Oct 2010 1:52 PM
Riket

No doubt, Boys of Tosconova wins. Uncle Mo is going to be as Quality Road, very fast but very short.

8.5 furlongs is a long trip por juveniles, to long por Mo.

22 Oct 2010 2:01 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Mo will slap Boys around as if he was Curly or Larry.

22 Oct 2010 2:03 PM
anna

both uncle mo and boys at tosconova can go 8.5 furlongs and uncle mo is bred for 10 furlongs being by indian charlie and out of a arch mare. but i'm tore majorly because i like both of them a lot, one because i know and are friends with one of the people who bred boys at tosconova but i am very impressed in how uncle mo has been winning.

22 Oct 2010 2:10 PM
TJ

Dont count out Jaycito-will love the distance and is made for Dirt(won on the polycrap)

22 Oct 2010 2:21 PM
Zen's Auntie

I did want to say I do LOVE how Uncle Mo is bred and I do think he can get a longer distance I just think Jaycito is coming into his own right now and looks sharp for this, at what may (or now may not be) a bit better price. No one is better than Smith with this situation it will really be a fun one to watch.  

What is to be made of proven true turf Horse Paddy O in the classic?  I like him alot but is this a bad weather hedged bet?? Is it the 1.5 m for turf that propmpts the classic instead?  hmmm

22 Oct 2010 2:25 PM
Tim

Uncle Mo already has shown he can rate. In his debut he rated on the lead before Velazquez let him go in the stretch and he came home in 23.2 running each of his final 2 eigths in 11.3. He has worked in company and rated nicely before taking over in the stretch. In the Champagne he went in 1:10.2 while being pressed but still was doing it well within him self and when he was giving his cue exploded in the final quarter coming home in 24 flat. Saying he can't get an extra sixteenth is rediculous since has been on cruise control in each of his first 2 starts and hit sixth gear in the stretch. He could go a 10 furlongs getting a mile in 1:35 and come home in 24. They are already running 10 furlong races in Europe so I'm not just talking as an Uncle Mo fan. He wins the Juvenile in a cake walk because the fractions will be too slow for him not to inherit the lead and seperate himself from the field while well in hand. I definately look for Riveting Reason to finish third. Myung Kwon Cho and Brian Lynch are my 2 favorite trainers so I keep up with everything they do. Riveting Reason is bred for the dirt and he'll run a big race for a very underrated trainer. Just look at what Lynch did with Golden Moka plus all the success he's had in the Canadian Triple Crown over the years. Never count out Cho and Lynch. Premier Pegasus and Riveting Reason will both have nice careers if they stay healthy. Just imagine what Street Hero would have done as a 3 year old if he didn't get injured. Boys will prove to be a nice sprinter and Stay Thirsty will win his share of 2 turn races. Don't forget about Curlinello. As for the so. Cal. 2 year olds they just aren't fast enough to compete with the plethora of east coast 2 year old sensations.

22 Oct 2010 3:03 PM
FlyinLate

I'll be sticking with Boys at Tosconova. On paper his last race was not nearly as dominant as it was visually. This horse was never asked for anything remotely close to his best and still put down three nice colts. I urge everyone to catch the replay and watch Ramon just sitting chilly on him the entire race.

22 Oct 2010 3:19 PM
Householder

JP's gusto looks like a sprinter.  I like Jaycito a little better for the California hopes.  

22 Oct 2010 3:33 PM
Ted from LA

Is it mikeg or Mi Keg?  

22 Oct 2010 3:44 PM
Zookeeper

"As for the so.Cal. 2 year olds they just aren't fast enough to compete with the plethora of east coast 2 year old sensations."

The myth lives on! Oh well! Better odds for those of us who see it differently!

22 Oct 2010 3:51 PM
Exterminator

Jaycito runs by them both and laughs while doing it.

...and like usual, the west coast horses will be in far better shape than the east coast horses and the east coast trainers "will be as stupid as they normally are" and will train their horses on "dirt" leading up to the race.

22 Oct 2010 3:55 PM
Freetex

I like Jaycito and Uncle Mo.

Whatever, it looks like a great race.

I wish Richard's Kid was in the Classic.  He earned the chance to be in the big race.  Bob Baffert said it all.

22 Oct 2010 4:00 PM
Shiznik

Thank God for Andy Beyer. He is surely the biggest reason my roi has skyrocketed over the last 3 years.

Them Cali horses are just too dang slow. You tell them Andy!

22 Oct 2010 4:11 PM
tcc

He could go a 10 furlongs getting a mile in 1:35 and come home in 24. They are already running 10 furlong races in Europe so I'm not just talking as an Uncle Mo fan.

Tim 22 Oct 2010 3:03 PM

Is he you're Kentucky Derby horse?

22 Oct 2010 4:50 PM
josue555

I will go with uncle mo, think he could win by 4 lenth but the horse I'm looking is not running in the juvenile but in the Nashua that same day, is that bernardini colt who mott train.

22 Oct 2010 5:40 PM
Draynay

BAT is the pick.  Dominguez is the best jockey in the USA right now and that gives the horse a added edge.  Take BAT to the bank !!!

22 Oct 2010 5:48 PM
Ranagulzion

If Uncle Mo has recovered sufficiently from his fast run Champaign victory he should pack too many guns for Boys From Toscanova in the Juvenile, even though the latter didn't show his full "hand" in the Hopeful.  These are two very smart colts. Its a pity that both have suspect pedigrees for the classic distances.

22 Oct 2010 5:57 PM
Meghan

Jaycito. Another synthetic to dirt stakes winner.

22 Oct 2010 6:13 PM
The Rock

Thanks Dray. Now i know for sure BAT will run OTB! LOL

22 Oct 2010 6:21 PM
Bellwether

JAYCITO...

22 Oct 2010 6:53 PM
2:24

It seems to me that this race is typically not very kind to heavy favorites.  When was the last time a favorite won the Juvenile?  Was it Arazi?  I don't know.

Sorry to go off topic, but I am really puzzled about the decision to run Paddy O Prado in the Classic.  Anyone else?

22 Oct 2010 7:08 PM
Householder

Jaycito...ah yes Victory Gallop.  Jaycito's daddy loved Churchill and the longer the better.  1 1/16 may be too short.  

22 Oct 2010 7:20 PM
jayjay

I doubt we will see either one hit the board,  Just like what the others said, Jaycito has the style.  His Norfolk run shows he'll enjoy having Uncle Mo in the race to provide the speed.  Only thing about Jaycito is that he seems to come from way back but the long CD stretch will be to his advantage.  I say he wins by at least 6 lengths against these two.  

I'm sure it wouldn't count because he's a synthetic horse lol.  If he doesn't win it, it'll be a longshot that haven't been mentioned here yet.

22 Oct 2010 7:43 PM
Householder

jayjay "Only thing about Jaycito is that he seems to come from way back but the long CD stretch will be to his advantage."

"In the Kentucky Derby Victory Gallop was running dead last behind 14 other horses at the half mile pole then made a powerful drive near the end of the home stretch to pass betting favorite Indian Charlie but ran out of track and finished second to Read Quiet."  (Widipedia)

22 Oct 2010 8:08 PM
2:24

As to my last post re: juvenile favorites, I forgot Favorite Trick, Unbridled's Song and War Pass.  I think they were favorites.  And maybe Vindication also.

22 Oct 2010 8:20 PM
LStein

I see Dray is back and touting anything and everything from the east coast. Hope Ramon doesn't ever move to Cali, Dray could have an aneurysm. JAYCITO takes it!!!

22 Oct 2010 8:28 PM
The Rock

2:24,

Off the top of my head..since 1991, 1994 - Timber Country, 1995 - Unbridled Song (I think), 1996 -Boston Harbor (Heavy Fave I think), 1997 - Favorite Trick (Heavy Fave), 2000 - Macho Uno, 2002 - Vindication, 2007 - War Pass (Heavy Fave I think), 2008 - Midshipman, 2009 - Lookin At Lucky (2nd).

Juvenile fave's have fared pretty well in this race.

22 Oct 2010 8:32 PM
skyfire

Paddy O Prado, great race in Kentucky Derby on dirt; good chance of muddy track in Nov.-- why face Workforce or go to Japan?

Nothing to lose.

22 Oct 2010 8:34 PM
Ranagulzion

2:24

It seems to me that the connections of Paddy O'Prado have spotted an opportunity to snatch the 3YO championship.  I can't blame them for giving it serious consideration since a placing in the Classic higher than Looking At Lucky puts him firmly in the picture.  Perhaps they are even thinking about HOTY if "Paddy" could upset the BCC field.  I don't fancy his chances here.  However I think that a bold front-running gambit in the Breeder's Cup Turf could land him top honours.  It doesn't suit him to sit covered up, trying to out-kick the marauding Europeans going a mile and a half.  he has the pace, stamina and class to go wire to wire in that race IMO.

22 Oct 2010 8:39 PM
old hat

Go Mike Repole,I hope one of his horses win.I like Uncle Mo a little more than Stay Thirsty, but just hope one of them does it for a good guy.

22 Oct 2010 8:43 PM
Pedigree Shelly

      I'm definately leaning towards Stay Thirsty in the BC Juvenile ! Boys at Tosconova by Officer is very talented but , I dont see him excelling at the classic distances looking at his pedigree ! Uncle Mo ( Not a flattering name ) could be anything , his performace in the Champagne was brilliant but , the Indian Charlies are not too reliable when it comes to soundness ! That's why I'm thinking that Stay Thirsty being by Bernardini, has the best chance of making it to the Classics ! Bernardini , showed his class and sturdiness and I think he'll pass it on !

22 Oct 2010 9:53 PM
dustywhipp

Jaycito. Best two-year-old right now. Love love love him. The Norfolk was so professional. Can't wait to see him in the Classics next year.

22 Oct 2010 10:28 PM
Paula Higgins

I like Mo, then Jaycito. Also, very surprised about Paddy in the classic. Don't totally get that. Watch him win LOL.

23 Oct 2010 12:20 AM
Drayton

BAT won the Hopeful facing two very good horses and beat them in a easy hand ride.  Mo is very good.  The BAT is better....right now anyway.

23 Oct 2010 1:06 AM
Tiznowbaby

I'm not convinced Paddy wants a mile and a half. Plus, he's already established he's an excellent grass horse, so I don't think a BC Turf win adds huge value. If he pulls an upset on dirt, however, his fee shoots up.

23 Oct 2010 1:32 AM
Aluminaut

Both the East Coasters Grandsires stand in California.  Doesn't that make your Gold..rush...Dray????

23 Oct 2010 3:10 AM
Coldfacts

This will be an interesting BCJ. The overwhelming favorite is expected to be the ultra impressive Uncle Mo. If his two victories are to be used as a measure he should be given the winner share of the purse and the trophy. The remaining colt/geldings should run a race for the minor placing. The BCJ has been a nightmare for favorites in the last 10 years. The biggest favorite to bite the dust was Officer the sire of Boys At Tosconova. Can the boy succeed where is sire failed so miserably? War Pass has been the only favorite to succeed in the last 10 years. If the history of the races in the last10 years is used as a measure, then favorites should be avoided at all cost.

There seems to be a lot of support for Jacinto because of his late closing kick. I do not like this colt for a number of reasons. He is a January and I do not fancy them.   No winner of only the Belmont leg of the Triple Crown has sired a winner of the BCJ to date. However, I must concede that Piscitilli also sire by Victory Gallop ran a blinder in the 2009 renewal of the BCJ.  Jaycito broke his maiden in the Norfolk. This feat was is similar to that of Street Hero in 2008. It was not a particularly impressive victory. The third place finisher Riveting Reason had finished 11 and 6 lengths respectively behind J.P. Gusto and Jaycito in the Del Mar Futurity. The margin in the Norfolk was three and one.  These improved margins suggest that Riveting Reason made more improvement than J.P. Gusto and Jaycito between the  Del Mar Futurity and Norfolk.

Riveting Reason is a handsome son of Fusaichi Pegasus and is by a broodmare sired by Known Fact a son of In Reality. He is bred along the same cross as Derby and Preakness winners Smarty Jones and Real Quiet. In the Del Mar Futurity and Norfolk he appeared to be struggling with the synthetic track. A surface switch could transform this colt. He will be amongst the long shots from where I expect the winner to emerge.  He will be my main wager.

23 Oct 2010 4:23 AM
Forbidden Apple

I give a strong edge to Boys At Toscanova after his Hopeful score. This horse was under a tight hold, split horses, and then jogged to the wire. His performance looked effortless and he should have plenty of fire left in the tank to coast past Uncle Mo. I take notice on any horse when the dam is by Easy Goer or Coronado's Quest. These two Phipp's champions were brilliant runners and had their breeding careers cut way to short.

Is it possible that Soldat could try dirt again or is he strictly turf at this point?

23 Oct 2010 8:08 AM
Saratoga AJ

2:24 & Rock:

Unbridle's Song went off the third  choice (I think Honor and Glory was the fave) in 1995 at 5-1. Paid $12 and change. I know because I bet him!

23 Oct 2010 10:13 AM
Pedigree Ann

Good luck finding an Officer who excels around two turns. Don't take me wrong, Officer sires honest, hard-knocking racehorses, but most of them prefer to race around one turn.

It has been noted by others that the transition from a 1-turn mile at Belmont to a 2-turn 1 1/16 has undone many a top 2yo, Easy Goer being the poster child. Don't take too short a price on Uncle Mo. (Agree that this is a less than inspiring name. Reminds me of the 1950 Champagne winner Uncle Miltie, who didn't pan out at 3. HE had a pedigree only a pedgeek could love - by Heather Broom out of Twink-Mo, by Mokatam.)

23 Oct 2010 10:22 AM
melneey

Uncle Mo, what a terrible name for a nice horse....right up there with Lil E Tee....

23 Oct 2010 10:58 AM
Giantmoon

Unbridled's Song was 5-1 second choice to Honour and Glory, who finished fourth.  Macho Uno was 6-1 fourth choice, favorite was AP Valentine who finished last

23 Oct 2010 11:16 AM
TJ

Jason,I dont really follow the 2 yr olds that much. Can u tell me what type of running styles the contenders have?

23 Oct 2010 11:44 AM
Trebloc

Uncle Mo should have no problem getting the distance, but he will have to hold off a fast closing Jaycito.   Not a big fan of BAT after he ducked Uncle Mo in the Champagne.

Any word on Brethren's next race?  

23 Oct 2010 12:07 PM
jon

Uncle Mo was compared to Secretariat and Seattle Slew, and I disagree about Jaycito and Boys of Tosconova. I think we are witnessing a blossoming of racehorse in Uncle Mo that we see very rarely, and to know that he is that special just two races into his career is really a good feeling. The Champagne showed his brilliant speed, and his first race was beyond compare for a 2 year old.

I think we may have the next Triple Crown winner in Uncle Mo, and comparing him to Seattle Slew is appropriate. Not even Secretariat did what Uncle Mo has done in just 2 races. That said, Clem Florio knew that Secretariat was special after finishing full of run in his first maiden race against the likes of Calumets Herbull.

If Uncle Mo wins handily in the Breeders Cup, and sets a record, I think we will have witnessed the next Secretariat or Man O War. The others in this race are just extras to keep the race interesting. I really think our search for a Triple Crown winner has ended. Feel special to be watching history unfold like this.

Uncle Mo is one for the ages.

23 Oct 2010 1:04 PM
Tim

Uncle Mo is definately my Derby horse. As long as he stays healthy the sky's the limit. He's bred for distance and to prove what a freak he is just look at his closing fractions. The further he goes the faster he gets. Most thoroughbreds slow down dramatically in the stretch as they stretch out. Not the case for Uncle Mo. Around 2 turns the pace won't be nearly as fast as he's seen around one turn so he'll be 3 lengths in front on the backstretch while rating his speed. Boys is by Officer and we saw how impressive he was around one urn as a 2 year old and what happeened when he went 2 turns? The Cal. 2 year olds are just not that good. It has nothing to do with the synthetic tracks. Again Uncle Mo isn't a runaway front runner. He is very ratable on the lead and he works behind horses. He's so fast that even though he's being rated he still makes the lead. Two year old championship is no comtest. AS I have said before I really don't take much interest in the Triple Crown because my game is 2 year old sprinters, but sometimes a colt like Uncle Mo comes around and I do follow them in routes because they're fun to watch and I always stick with my favorites.

23 Oct 2010 1:16 PM
Draynay

Jaycito? Boy you people in California have nothing to do huh? Jaycito is not in the same league as MO and BAT.  Didn't the great Rail Trip show you what happens when California horses come East ?

23 Oct 2010 1:17 PM
Old Timer

Boys now has the Dray curse, I'm betting Uncle Mo. Besides, Domiguez has not exactly torn up the Breeder's Cup in the past. Plus as Tim noted above, Mo ran lights out at a mile and a near stakes record. Another 1/16 is minor after that Champagne win. Having said all that, remember that they are two year olds....anything can happen.

23 Oct 2010 1:59 PM
Zen's Auntie

Speaking of promissing 2 year olds - Bandbox under Ramone D just won the Sleepy Hollow. I find his connections are pointing to the Delta Jackpot after this - Jenkins is an amazing horseman (have you ever seen him jump? OMG!!) and he keeps very low key and humble about this colt.  

You gotta love todays win after a stumbled start 4 wide sweep and a hand ride finish.  He may not be Jaycito OR BAT or Uncle Mo but I like the way he is growing up and being handled.

FYI like so many 2 year old races The Sleepy Hollow was a mile they switched it this year to 7 F.  Another little tidbit is that it was won by another NY bred 2 year old in 2002 perhaps you remember him - Funny Cide. The only NY bred to ever win the KD I think Hmmmmmm.  

23 Oct 2010 5:16 PM
The Wolff

I love Uncle Mo and I-m really looking forward to seeing Jaycito switch over. As for Boys, I haven't really gotten interested in him yet.

23 Oct 2010 5:26 PM
jayjay

2:24 : My guess is they're betting on a sloppy track, he probably has a better chance at a sloppy track than a yielding turf.  If it's sloppy, I'll put him in instead of LAL in my exotics.  I have to google this but does anyone know if BC has ever switch a turf race to dirt? I'm too lazy to look it up right now hehe.

23 Oct 2010 6:33 PM
joe p.

I think its more of Uncle-Mo Jaycito matchup. Jaycito will love the added distance and has handled 2 turns. He gets Zenyatta's jockey Mike Smith which doesn't hurt. Boys @ T has a shot but will have to overcome a long layoff. I think Sidneys Candy can handle the long layoff in the Turf Mile but not so sure that Boys @ T will be able to since he has very little racing experience thus far.

23 Oct 2010 6:47 PM
gammyp6

I'm going with Jaycito also. Mike Smith is going to get the Juv and the Classic. Oh yeah, is he riding

Proviso too?

23 Oct 2010 7:35 PM
ross

I was at Saratoga for Uncle Mo's maiden victory and I knew then and there he was going to the Juvenile. I can't help but root for him, he has turned in two beastly efforts in his two starts. Can't wait to see him when he's actually challenged.

23 Oct 2010 7:50 PM
Pedigree Shelly

        To Pedigree Ann and Melneey , I agree with you girls 100% ! I believe that Boys At Toscanova or Uncle Mo could win The BC Juvenile but , I dont see these two as "Classic " type horses, I could be wrong ! I just have a feeling that next years Derby winner will have nothing to do with who wins the BC Juv ! Unless it would be Stay Thirsty :)

23 Oct 2010 9:08 PM
oliver

hah! i can't believe i was right when i predicted Myung Kwon Cho would enter Premier Pegasus in the BC Juvie after today's race...but supposedly he is. i love Premier - but i am worried that race looked a bit taxing for him to come back quickly from. on the other hand he just had 3 works to prep for this race - so it could tighten him up for stretchout. at least Cho never shies away from a challenge...

23 Oct 2010 9:32 PM
Pedigree Shelly

        I truly think Paddy O' Prado should stick to the BC Turf , the only reason his connections want to run in the Classic is because of money ! Plus running second or third to Zenyatta in the Classic looks good on a stud resume :)

23 Oct 2010 9:39 PM
tcc

Jason:

A juvenile news report that I happened to be reading.

Oct. 22, 2010

Mike Smith said about 2-year-old Jaycito, “There is a lot of improvement to go,” after working him yesterday. DRF.com reported that Smith was impressed with the colt, but was this a left-handed compliment? Nice work, though, six in 1:12.80

23 Oct 2010 11:15 PM
jayjay

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!!  THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!!

23 Oct 2010 11:41 PM
christy tate

me, i think i'll take uncle mo, but i would totally disregard stay thirsty, jaycito, or jbs thunder. but we'll have to find out who's the best come race day. until then, we're all just guessing.

24 Oct 2010 12:05 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

jayjay

   Great post !!! I couldn't believe they did it. The umpire did a great job, don't you think. They really have their work cut out for them though in the WS. I love this team. Mo is a pro. His first two were dominant, powerful performances. Three for three is highly likely entering his Derby run. I suspect a freshener, then a carefully mapped out plan starting in January leading to the Derby. Jaycito is my choice to run second in the BC Juvy.

24 Oct 2010 12:57 AM
GunBow

It's speed and brilliance with Uncle Mo and Boys at Toscanova vs. pedigree/endurance with Jaycito.  I respect JP's Gusto, but it appears Mo and BaT are faster versions of him.  I could see a horse like Mo pulling a War Pass and getting 8.5 furlongs, but I will need to see alot more to declare him the Derby winner let alone a Triple Crown winner.  This BC Juvenile should point us in the right direction.  A very interesting race.

24 Oct 2010 1:19 AM
GunBow

Great to see Brass Hat win a graded stakes at age 9.  

In 2004, my then girlfriend's birthday present to me was a 2 night stay in Anderson, Indiana for the Indiana Oaks and Indiana Derby.  The Oaks field was solid, featuring the winner Daydreaming and multiple gr.1 winner, Stellar Jayne.  The Derby field was really good, with Pollard's Vision, Suave, and Sir Shackleton.  But the winner was Brass Hat.  I was literally 3 feet away from the Bradleys in the winners circle that night.

Major props to a horse that 6 years later is still winning graded stakes races.  Brass Hat would have well over $3million in earnings if not for a questionable dq from 2nd in the 06' Dubai World Cup for medication violations.

24 Oct 2010 1:30 AM
GunBow

I want to give a shout out to the wonderful Michigan bred 6 year old mare, Valley Loot, for winning her 3rd straight MI Sire Stakes for Older Females.  Given she also won the 2007 Michigan Sire Stakes for 3 year old fillies, this was her 4th straight Michigan Sire Stakes win.

After dominating her division in 07', 08', and 09' and even winning stakes outside of Michigan, Valley Loot struggled in 2010.  But she rose to the occasion on the biggest day for Michigan breds to complete the 4-peat.

Speaking of domination, the Ohio bred 9 year old, Catlaunch, won the Ohio Endurance again this year.  He's a real neat horse I wish I would have driven to see run while I was living in the area.

24 Oct 2010 1:39 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Animal Kingdom won't be in the BC but is another one for the Derby watch. 10-23-10 6th Keeneland 2yo MSW. Looked really good to me and can run all day.

24 Oct 2010 2:08 AM
GunBow

Who was it comparing Zenyatta with Boise St?

The way things are going in college football, either Boise St, TCU, or Utah will be in the BCS championship game.  God forbid if the only undefeated teams are two of the above.

In one game, Boise St can most certainly play with anybody.  And that actaully goes for TCU as well, and probably Utah.  There just isn't a great college football team out there.

In horse racing, in a single race, Zenyatta can most certainly run with anybody.  There just isn't a truly great male horse out there.  It's all going to come down to one race for Team Z, one race for not only HoY, but a 20-0 record and racing immortality.  If the so called experts were always correct, Oklahoma easily beats Boise St. in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, Alabama smashes Utah in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, and we're getting ready for a Phillies-Yankees World Series.

24 Oct 2010 3:20 AM
Matthew W

Jaycito is for real--he keeps improving--last was wide both turns/ran on like a good one--has done it around two turns--will box with Mo and play to win....he's getting better....

24 Oct 2010 4:19 AM
Matthew W

Born in SF/Giants fan whole life/long suffering but love this bunch of homegrown pitchers--they started poorly then shutout Phils for eight innings, capped by the look at the punch out by RyHo--yeah, you're at home, look at it, there's no one behind you, ya gotta protect the plate with the, I dunno, the bat, or something?.But I loved the confidence shown by Bochy by sending up the pitcher in the eighth with bases loaded--it was like sink or swim with you--thats tribute--that's performance--don't sell these guy short/so so batting/so so infield/solid outfield and the bestest pitchin'....think I'm gonna see: Zenyatta go out 20 for 20 AND Giants winning first Series of my fifty-one years....

24 Oct 2010 4:32 AM
Tim

Cho is turning into a force out west. He really has turned into one of the premier trainers of 2 year olds. His Video Ranger's kept getting injured but now he has some serious runners. His ROI is awesome and he wins and places at the top level. It's going to be interesting to see what he does on dirt at Santa Anita.

24 Oct 2010 4:57 AM
Coldfacts

Oliver,

I agree with you that Myung Kwon Cho is a gutsy trainer. He entered then maiden Street Hero in the 2008 Norfolk and won, defeating eventual Champion 2YO Midshipman. Premier Pegasus and Street Hero are via the same dame Squall Linda. This mare seems to produce some very nice foals. I am not sure how much seasoning Premier Pegasus has but it’s difficult to see this colt jumping out of a maiden company to face some of the best US and likely foreign base 2YO. I prefer Myung Kwon Cho other 2YO colt Riveting Reason. His pedigree is proven and he has as shown the speed and tenacity of his sire so far disappointing sire Fusaichi Pegasus. The 1998 Derby winner Real Quite was sired by Quite American who sire was Fappiano a son of Mr. Prospector.  Real Quite dame was Really Blue by Believe It a son of In Reality. The 2004 Derby winner Smarty Jones was sired by Elusive Quality who sire was Gone West a son of Mr. Prospector.  Smarty Jones dame was I’ll Get Along by Smile a son of In Reality. AS previously mentioned Riveting Reason was sired Fusaichi Pegasus. His dame Love and Marry is by Known Fact by In Reality.  The only difference between the cross of Riveting Reason and the two Derby winners is the fact that Fusaichi Pegasus is a son of the great stallion where as Quite American and Elusive Quality are grandsons. Riveting Reason showed a lot of improvement between his third place finishes in the Del Mar Futurity and Norfolk. His pedigree is proven at the highest level and he has more graded experience than Premier Pegasus.

24 Oct 2010 8:41 AM
Coldfacts

Jon,

Your confidence in Uncle Mo after two races knows no bound. The runner up in the Champagne came out of a maiden claiming race. His 4 to 5 lengths defeat was not disgraceful. We have seen a lot of freaky 2YO in the past. Do you remember Favorite Trick? He won six or seven race at about a similar number of tracks and like Secretariat was voted HOY at 2YO. Do you remember Officer the sire of BAT?  He won all his races leading up to the BCJ without be let off his bit. He was probably one f the shortest price favorites in the race.  Are you suggesting that if Uncle Mo wins the BCJ he should be voted HOY base on your prediction that he will be the next TWC winner?

Secretariat and Seattle Slew were form the Nasrullah sire line via Bold Ruler that dominated the Triple Crown between 1970 and 1979. This sire line produced 7 of the 10 KD winners and two Triple Crown winners. Uncle Mo sire line goes back to the Irish bred Caro whose claim to fame was siring the brilliant Winner Colors. Caro was also dame sire of Unbridled Song. This sire lines has not been a factor in America racing in a long time. It does not have the track record to suggest it will produce our next TC winner.

Uncle Mo should have an excellent chance in the BCJ as his dame sire Arch is a son of Kris S a stallion that has dominated the Breeders Cu. Kris S sired five Breeders Cup winners. (Prized, Hollywood Wildcat, Bracco, Soaring Softly and Action This Day) He was also dame sire of Breeders cup winners War Chant and the sensational Zenyatta.

In spite of the excellence of the Kris S sire and broodmare sire line in the Breeders Cup it remains none existent in the TC series of race. I would therefore caution you to temper your expectations of this colt as pedigree history is not on his side for the Triple Crown series of races.

24 Oct 2010 9:40 AM
Saratoga AJ

Pedigree Shelly:

Paddy O' Prado's connections may take a shot at the Classic based on his good effort in the Derby over the same track, finishing third despite a rough trip. And if the Classic come up muddy as was the Derby....hmmm.

Congrats to all the Giant fans. Glad they beat those punk Fillies! (spoken by a true suffering Met fan).

I was a NY Giant fan as a very young boy and was crushed when they left for Frisco. Hate to admit this, but being 7 at the time, I remember their last WS championship in 1954. And Willie's catch! When Mays came to the Mets in 1972, that was my last connection to the "NY" Giants.

But I do hope they win it all this year. Good luck to you Giant fans!

24 Oct 2010 10:27 AM
Jason Shandler

I was glad to see the Giants beat the Phillies too, but they wont beat the Rangers. Texas in 5.

24 Oct 2010 10:49 AM
Pedigree Ann

Gun Bow, I was sure after his Donn win, on a speed favoring sloppy track no less, that Brass Hat was the next Kelso or John Henry. He'd beaten the 'glamor' shippers in the Ohio Derby and did it again in Indiana. When he came back after his first injury, he seemed to be even better than he was before. But after the second injury he wasn't the same Brass Hat. He was still a good racehorse, but not the world-class runner that he had been. I still ache for the loss.

Oh, and for those who are having fantasies that the turf might be deep or the main track sloppy at Churchill....,

/www.kentucky.com/2010/10/23/1491355/weathers-great-for-fires.html#storylink=mirelated

24 Oct 2010 11:00 AM
Saratoga AJ

Jason:

How 'bout those J..E..T..S...Jets, Jets, Jets this year? :)

24 Oct 2010 11:10 AM
Footlick

I think JP Gusto comes up short, but if anybody can get him to the winner's circle it will be PVal.  Problems or not he can ride a horse and get the most out of them.

24 Oct 2010 11:10 AM
The Rock

Finally woke up from celebrating last night's victory over the Phills. Called that one perfectly Jason didn't I? lol.

Matthew, good to see another Bay Area native and Giant fan posting on here. One more team to go. Sanchez had been pitching wonderfully up until last night. He was due to have that type of performance. I was shocked that Lincecum was brought in after taking the lead after one day's rest. And how about that finish. It would only be fitting for the Giants to advance under such circustances. Two outs, two on via BB's, 3-2 count and a called strike looking to end the game. Torture!!!! lol. I really hope Bochy starts out with Cain & Sanchez on Wed & Thu to give "The Freak" an extra day's rest instead of starting him off of 3 day's rest.

Texas is going to be a tall order for the Giants. But everyone's been a tall order for them all season, and they keep plugging away. So-so hitting, no running, So-so defense. Just pitching. They're like the baseball version of the Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl team. Superior pitching. Giants in 6. One thing's for sure. It will be another exciting series.

24 Oct 2010 11:26 AM
The Rock

Oh yea. Best bet this weekend in football. Monday night game. Take the Giants straight up over the Cowboys. Same thing for the Skin's over Chicago, and Pitt - 3.

Oliver, nice call on Premier Pegasus. 12-1 M/L down to 5/1. Was it you that caused the $12 payoff? Looks like he's pointing for the Juvy Turf?

Pre-Entries come out tomorrow. Can't wait to get a better look on how these BC fields are taking shape. As much as we all are making some type of predictions now, it's only prudent to make them when PP'S are assigned and knowing what type of track condition we're going to deal with as handicapper's. I read that kentucky was due for some heavy rain this upcoming week. Hopefully it gives the CD turf the water its been craving but doesn't boil over through BC week. I'm still high on Red's Desire as long as Kent D isn't in the saddle. Since Espoir City is going to be ridden by his regular rider, I'd rather have him on her than Kent D.

Dray, didn't AZ Warrior come from the polycrap and handle the Frizette field?

24 Oct 2010 11:37 AM
Zen's Auntie

tcc,

Mike Smith's comment IMO wans't back handed it was a compliment pointed at the possibilities that still remain untapped in this colt.  I read it as Mike knows that no one has seen the best of Jaycito yet.  

Yeah Dray those CA horses got nuthing in the east right?  Concord Point, Lookin at Lucky, Harmonious, Blind Luck, Evening Jewel not tomention all the "minors" remember Zardana?? LOL!! its always fun to read your rantings, you crack me up.

Even though I love to watch young horses come along, 2 year olds are so immature, still growing and so hard to predict.  Some really should be held back till later to get the best out of them in the LONG run.  Some never get better than they are at 2.

Im really looking forward to November. I love reading all the angles and opinions. The only for sure bet is it's going to be a great weekend of racing.

24 Oct 2010 11:40 AM
thomas

stay thirsty because heby benardini but im just worried that he might be a rabbit. i like jb's thunder because he's by thunder gulch andthe reason that he's going from keenland to chuchill. ive seen some horses run well going from synthetic to the churchill dirt

24 Oct 2010 12:09 PM
tcc

Mike Smith's comment IMO wans't back handed it was a compliment pointed at the possibilities that still remain untapped in this colt.  I read it as Mike knows that no one has seen the best of Jaycito yet.

Zen's Auntie 24 Oct 2010 11:40 AM

I agree, he seems to be the type of horse that prefers the longer distance's race's more than the shorter distance's race's.

24 Oct 2010 12:27 PM
jon

I really dont care about the pedigree aspect of Uncle Mo. Plenty of horses with excellent pedigrees have done poorly (Green Monkey!)or never made it to the races. Look at Seabiscuit, Look at Silky Sullivan. Both won in spite of pedigrees.

I think to be get caught up in pedigrees is to assume that pedigree alone creates champions. It doesnt, and Uncle Mo has that brilliance, in spite of pedigree. I think assuming that breeding two champions creates a champion is idiotic and oversimplifies the breeding process. Look at some of the overbreeding done in other breeds, and in some of the European monarchies. The results were not good, despite so-called eugenics.

Stick to your pedigrees, and I will watch pedestrian horses win that, by your formula, cannot. That means you understand every nuance of the pedigree. That is the same dumb logic people use when stating that they can tell how much of a wolf or dog a wolf hybrid is by the pedigree. That is the same logic these obsessed pedigree hounds use.

I think Uncle Mo is the real deal, and the pedigree may have a bearing, but just like climate change, one cannot assume that one factor makes or breaks the horse.

See you in Kentucky.

24 Oct 2010 1:17 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Jason

   I thought Philly was sick for getting rid of Cliff Lee so good for him. I also love Nolan Ryan and teams that have never won so it's almost a no lose situation for me but the Giants are my all time favorite sports team for over 50 years so it's big. Still trying to make up for the 62 loss to the Yankees in seven games. Came close against the Angels but this current team is my second favorite of any. Early 60's is tops, until they traded Cepeda for Ray Sadecki. That trade is still maddening. I agree that the Giants beating Texas will be a big upset.

24 Oct 2010 1:26 PM
Mary

Hello Pedigree Ann, I'm north of Louisville but in the same "weather pattern area", meaning our weather is usually very similar to Louisville (but we get fronts a day or two sooner/later).  

We had the same late summer drought as Louisville, complete with wildfires, etc.  Then yesterday the rain returned with a vengeance.  Ground that was parched on Friday has standing water now.  The forecast only called for "scattered thunderstorms" but it's been raining buckets.    

It's my understanding that these supposed "scattered thunderstorms" are headed for Louisville/Churchill.  So best not bank on a dry track.  

24 Oct 2010 4:32 PM
Tim

Cho will probably enter both Premier Pegasus and Riveting Reason in the Juvenile but may scratch one of them. Again everybody gets worked up when you don't agree with them. The fact is Uncle Mo will have no problem with an extra sixteenth and the 2 turns only helps him since the pace will be slower than the Champagne. As I stated in a previous post Uncle Mo's debut is the best I have ever seen by a 2 year old and was more impressive than Formal Gold's debut because Formal Gold didn't debut until midway through his 3 year old season. I knew how good Formal Gold was heading into his debut because Bill Perry lived down the street from me. Also Uncle Mo won't run in January. He'll most likely prep in Feb., March, and April. That is if he stays healthy. Look at Vindication and War Pass. I know the Breeders Cup Juvenile and 2 year old champion curse but anything can happen. Just don't get angry because Uncle Mo is Freakish and start the Zenyatta thing all over again. Nobody's telling anyone they have to like the colt, just have a little respect and acknowledge what he has accomplished. That's all.

24 Oct 2010 6:01 PM
Coldfacts

Jon,

I detect a lot of anger in your post. It was never my intention of anger you. I just thought that you were going bit overboard with your prediction that Uncle Mo will be our next Triple Crown winner. I high heighted the pedigree issue because Officer and Favorite Trick were exceptional 2YOs with pedigrees that are missing from the Triple Crown Chart. They never feature in these races. The triple crowns series of  races is currently dominated by the Raise A Native sire line. Super Saver, Lookin At Lucky and Drosselmeyer are all from the RAN sires line. Mine that Bird and Summer Bird are from the RAN sire line. In the last two years this sire line has produced 5 of the 6 winners the Triple Crown races. This line has produced one TC winner (Affirmed) and came close with Smarty Jones and Real Quite. War Emblem and Funny Cide also from this sire line had opportunities to win the TC but failed.  

Uncle Mo’s Pedigree has been missing in action from the TC but this does not mean he has no chance of being a TC winner. A TC winner can emerge from any line. However, the rate at which the RAN sire line has been producing winners of TC races my money would be on the RAN line to produce the next TC winner.

I am in no way dismissing Uncle Mo because of his pedigree. How could I? I saw his two impressive victories but unlike you I am not prepared to make over the top prediction without seen him beat the best from all regions of the country. Holy Bull was an excellent horse whose pedigree was not stellar. He was eventual HOY and Campion 3YO and he never won a TC race. I am not stuck on pedigree but when one sire line has produced  the winners of 44 TC races it is not to be ignored for those that are missing in action.

24 Oct 2010 7:40 PM
run.ruffian.run

Uncle Mo all the way!! He seems impressive and seems to love running. Can't wait to see him in the Juvy... Can't wait 'till Blame, QR, LAL, or Haynesfield runs down Zenyatta in the classic...

24 Oct 2010 7:57 PM
Pedigree Ann

Actually, The Green Monkey didn't have all that great a pedigree. He worked a hole in the wind at a 2yo in training sale and two deep-pocketed entities got in a bidding war. Forestry's other 11 2yos in training averaged around $162K that year.

24 Oct 2010 8:07 PM
Shiznik

Giants have way too good of a pitching staff to not be able to compete with anybody.  They will keep games close and I believe win the series.  Texas' bats won't look the same against this staff.  

Baseball is, was, and will always be about pitching.  Texas doesn't exactly suck in that department and I will take their best(Lee) against the Giants best (The Freak) in a close call, but overall I like the Giants pitching better and it will prevail.

Uncle Mo has much too prove and I think the realistic odds of him even making the Kentucky Derby field are greater than 20/1.

Did I read someone say Triple Crown? Really?

Well, if we are going to play that game then alright: I predict the Portland Trailblazers will win the NBA Championship at least one of the next three years. There, you are first too make your outlandish prediction and I am first too make mine.  I think my prediction has a far better chance to happen though (even if I only count this season, lol). Good luck too both of us!

24 Oct 2010 8:30 PM
Tiznowbaby

Jon, I understand your reasoning, but Seabiscuit is not a good example to back up your theory. The horse was as blue blood as one can get: By a son of Man O'War and out of a daughter of Whisk Broom. He had Ben Brush, St. Simon and Rock Sand in his pedigree.

24 Oct 2010 8:37 PM
Draynay

Jaycito is a another slow moving California horse that won the Norfolk beating slow horses.  He got whipped 20 times to do it.  BAT and Uncle Mo have more talent in their right leg.  Take BAT for the win or you WILL be sorry.

24 Oct 2010 11:52 PM
jayjay

Draynay and his california rant again. LOL

If you pick ONE winner, (one that's not a favorite) I'll start paying attention to your beyer horses lol.

25 Oct 2010 12:03 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

I am sorry, but no 2yo has even come close to being as impressive as Uncle Mo has been in his first two races. He'll have no trouble with the Boy, or any of the other boys in the Juvy, and that comes from a big Jaycito fan. It wouldn't surprise me if they all have to wait til The Derby to have a shot at beating Mo.

25 Oct 2010 12:27 AM
RJPPDP

I am excited to see an epic battle of 4 horses. The east with Boys and Uncle Mo and the West with Jaycito and JP Gusto. But I feel that a fifth horse might overcome all of them. In the words of the most interesting man of world. Stay Thirsty my friends.

25 Oct 2010 1:04 AM
predict

 Uncle Mo looks like something special and I think we are witnessing the beginnings of a truly exceptional horse.

 Pletcher said after the Champagne:

“He was remarkably composed in the winner’s circle – there was quite a commotion going on in there, but he was completely laid back and honestly wasn’t even blowing that hard,” the trainer noted.

“We’ve been blessed with some really good two year olds over the years, but I can’t remember one being that impressive,” Pletcher recalled. “We’ve had some that started the year really impressively – horses like More Than Ready and Chapel Royal – that were exceptionally early in the year. For him, [going from a maiden win] at Saratoga on Travers day to the Champagne, we’ve never had a 2-year-old to win those types of races as impressively as he has.”

 I am looking forward to this race with great anticipation of witnessing a great performance,

MO MONEY,MO MONEY with UNCLE MO!

GO MO, GO MO, GO MO!

Congratulations to the Giants, the underdogs pulled it out; They'll be underdogs again, but don't count them out, they are a truly " GOOD TEAM".

25 Oct 2010 2:06 AM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

When was the last time you picked a winner?

25 Oct 2010 2:40 AM
Bellwether

NOE MOE TOE...JOE...ty...

25 Oct 2010 3:20 AM
GunBow

It's so hard to predict which 2 year olds will go on at 3.  For one, there are injuries.  Then, the longer distances get to some.

It's easy to forget, but we don't have to go back that far to find other New York 2 year olds that appeared to be every bit as promising as Uncle Mo.  Just last year there was D' Funnybone.  In 2007, it was War Pass.  While D' Funnybone bombed in the BC Juvy, and turned out to be a sprinter, War Pass romped in the 07' BC Juvy.

Following the 07' BC, it appeared that in War Pass horse racing had the next superstar and a legit Triple Crown threat.  He had the trainer in Nick Zito, class(2 time gr.1 winner), and brilliance(103 Beyer for the Champagne and a record 113 Beyer for BC Juvy).  His breeding was suspect, by the miler Cherokee Run out of a Mr. Prospector mare, but he was just so brilliant and dominant that maybe talent would trump pedigree.

War Pass won his first start at 3, an allowance, but then ran a shockingly bad race in the Tampa Derby.  In the Wood, War Pass redeemed himself, setting blistering fractions but holding on well to just get caught on the wire.  While valiant, War Pass clearly had distance questions, and before he could answer them, he was injured and retired.

It's cliche, but we are a very long way from the Triple Crown.  And it does seem like about every 3 years or so, there is a fresh New York juvenile sensation.  As others have mentioned, it can be especially hard to get a good read on the New York juveniles because all of the major stakes races in that state leading up the Breeder's Cup are around just one turn.  Even when the Champagne was at 8.5 furlongs, the fact it was around one turn made it closer to an elongated sprint than a classic race.

Uncle Mo does seem to be the most brilliant of the crop, but it's not clear to me that he can dominate at a 2 turn mile and sixteenth let alone 10 to 12 furlongs.  His breeding isn't a sprinters pedigree but more of a miler-9 furlong horse, so there is hope.  

JP's Gusto and Boys at Toscanova are very professional horses with questionable pedigrees.  Boys at Toscanova is the more highly regarded of the 2 because JP's Gusto's distance limiations were exposed in the Norfolk while BaT hasn't run past 7 furlongs.  BaT did everything right in the Hopeful, and I personally loved how easily he was able to rate.  I think he should be able to get 8.5 furlongs, but he wouldn't be the first 2 year old that disappointed when stretched out to 2 turns.

25 Oct 2010 4:48 AM
Billy's Empire

forecast calls for rain next monday and tuesday, the two main days of the last works before the BC, and then 65 and sunny on Wednesday. Can not see past that date on weather. I am thinking the almanac called for rain early in the week and then sunny skies and 60's for BC days. Crossing my fingers. My box is outside, but at least under cover.

Uncle Mo is the winner of the BCJ. He ran 134.51 for a mile in a hand ride. He is a classy colt. He runs back to that, it is game over.

25 Oct 2010 8:51 AM
ilwacocapper

gun bow better take a good looks at the ducks no one will stop the high powered offense

25 Oct 2010 8:59 AM
TradingPlaces

I don't see why it's hard to believe some are seeing a potential TC winner in this horse. Yes his sire normally throws speed, but he won the Santa Anita Derby and finished third in the Kentucky Derby. Arch, who comes from Kris S. could definitely be enough to balance all that speed with plenty of stamina.

To think he may not win the Juvenile, because he'll have to go two turns is rediculous. As others said, the pace will be slower around two turns than it was in his maiden and the Champagne. This colt can relax on the lead, even when pressured, something a horse like the brilliant War Pass could not do. He relaxes behind horses in works, and can relax under pressure. Johnny V is the one who often hustles him to the lead out of the gate. However if he were to just let him find his own stride I see no reason for people to think he won't be able to rate.

I would love to see another poster name a horse who also shares this colt's ablity to run the fractions he puts out, then cruise a final quarter in 24 flat. FYI that was a whole second faster than AZ warrior, and .7 seconds faster than Tizway's final quarter, only six days before. With a slower pace there is no reason to think he can't kick home even better.

25 Oct 2010 10:36 AM
Festus

Draynay.Where would uncle mo and Bat be if they made there starts on synthetics? They would still be running up the track.Who have they beat?Didn't know that four time stake winner JP Gusto was a slow moving Cal horse.

25 Oct 2010 10:58 AM
2:24

coldfacts - I appreciate your pedigree posts and analysis quite a bit.  Going to play Riveting Reason based on your analysis.

25 Oct 2010 11:15 AM
Chris

Please dont compare uncle mo to seattle slew. SLEW would eat this horse up on 3 legs.uncle mo beat nobody.If gets second i will be surprised.

25 Oct 2010 11:50 AM
Ranagulzion

Good posts Coldfacts and Gunbow.  Uncle Mo is head and shoulders above all others right now except possibly Boys at Toscanova in the 2YO division.  Others will catch up pretty quickly by February therefore caution is good advice.  Sweet Ducky, JB Thunder and Premier Pegasus look like very promising Triple Crown aspirants for next year, on both pedigree and ability, if the trainers don't rush them too much.  That filly from South Florida called Awesome Feathers is gonna make some noise in the Juvenile Fillies IMO. She bears some watching.

25 Oct 2010 1:20 PM
Billy's Empire

UNCLE MO will win in hand. Take it to the bank. The track should be playing fast and firm, and with that you have at least 3 singles in the pick 6, Mo, Goldi, and Blame. Add in Workforce, you have 4. You could go deep on turf sprint and sprint, and have a $40 tix. this is going to be fun

25 Oct 2010 1:29 PM
The Rock

I agree that Unclo Mo is the one to beat, but to call him a TC horse at this time is a bit quick on the trigger. There seems to be this motivation of trying to pick out the next star ahead of time than everyone else on here rather then wait until things sort themselves out. This horse hasn't been 9f's yet and he's the next TC winner? Let him at least get through a couple of derby preps before coming to this conclusion. If I happen to agree at a later time, well then good for you for pointing out that he was a TC horse 7 months ahead of time. Yippeee....lol

25 Oct 2010 5:00 PM
Draynay

BAT looks like a horse waiting to go long.  The ease that he beat a very tough field tells me this horse will be one tough customer in the BC.  Dominguez knows what he has and I expect the best rider in the country will only make the horse that much better.  If you want to be California horse use them on the bottom of your Super tickets.

25 Oct 2010 5:02 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

I recall you picked Be Fair to win this year's Apple B. while you had Zenyatta finishing third. Enough said.

25 Oct 2010 6:17 PM
DWL

Hey Silly Billy

You have the audacity to question my tactics and then you're singling Blame on your ticket? roflmao

Oh,well-- more money in the pool is a good thing.

25 Oct 2010 6:35 PM
cigarchamp

LOL!! stop looking at time.  He did not run fast early at all.  He had the same fractions to 6F as AZ Warrior.  HE beat a 75k claimer by 5 lengths.  That time is a joke and his pace is way off.  This race is already over.  BOT is a mortal cinch.  Uncle MO!! LOL!! You people are fools he is not even close to the other horse.  The last race is not even fast.  track was lightning that day.  forget it. can't believe ia m actually posting on this board.

25 Oct 2010 8:39 PM
Draynay

Be Fair hasn't won a race all year and only won 1 last year.  That tells you all you need to know about the competition Zenyatta has faced all year.  It's a joke.  Watch what happens when she races east of the Mississippi.  If they dare put her in the gates she will get whipped.

25 Oct 2010 9:11 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Would've been totally shocked if you ever admit you're wrong.

25 Oct 2010 9:37 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

cigarchamp

   Don't feel bad about posting here. All are welcome, even those such as yourself that are just starting to try to learn The Greatest Game. Are you related to Draynay?

25 Oct 2010 10:23 PM
Pedigree Shelly

       I think Uncle Mo is a very very talented 2yr old ! I'm not crazy about the name ! It doesn't fit with Secretariat or War Admiral but , the horse doesn't know that and I wish him the best ! Alot of people say pedigrees don't matter but , they do !

      There is nothing wrong with Uncle Mo's pedigree ! BAT a little precocious and speedy ! Lots of people say , look at Seabiscuit   he had an obscure pedigree and look what he did  ! Seabiscuit was bred by The Wheatley Stable also responsible for breeding Bold Ruler and countless others . Seabiscuit's sire Hard Tack was a headstrong son of Man O' War , most grooms were afraid to touch him , sensible breeders were afraid to breed to him ! Biscuit's dam Swing On was not a badly bred mare neither . Her sire Whisk Broom II was a leading broodmare sire and an excellent racehorse ! Whisk Broom set a world record under 139 lbs winning the Suburban Handicap ! It's easy to see where Seabiscuit's stamina came from. From a dosage standpoint you couldn't get any better , A DI of 0.37  , he could run to China and back :)

25 Oct 2010 11:49 PM
Draynay

Mike how can you believe a horse that had so much trouble catching average horses can run down horses like LAL and QR ?  Magic ? Don't fool yourself she is in over her head.  There is a REASON she never faced open company on dirt.

26 Oct 2010 12:29 AM
Billy's Empire

Dray, I think Mike Relva secretly loves you. He keeps talking about all of the things you did 6-12 months ago. LET IT GO MIKE. You obviously have not got the memo on ignoring Dray.

DWL, HA, that is laughable. Too bad we are not able to bet on who comes in last. I have a single in the dirt mile... Tizway and Crown of Thorns will be 1-2 in that race. If Giralomo and Vineyard Haven Run, that is your super.

On another note, Champagne D Oro wins the ladies classic.

26 Oct 2010 8:55 AM
Mind Freak

Draynay-

You''re getting sleepy,

sleepy,

sleepy.

Now poof! Be gone!

26 Oct 2010 11:36 AM
Billy's Empire

Oops, I got the wrong horse in the dirt mile, Gayego is in, not Giralamo. He is in the sprint. You all get the point.

26 Oct 2010 12:09 PM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

You know what I think? That you aren't half the expert you think you are.

26 Oct 2010 12:31 PM
Mike Relva

JASON

While in CA last week I made my usual visit to spend some time with The Tin Man. Guess,you don't get much time to visit retired horses since you're always busy trying to cash a ticket.

26 Oct 2010 12:38 PM
Draynay

Some of you don't understand how I became the world's greatest handicapper.  Let me explain.  For me it is a natural gift.  My record on dirt is 2nd to none and at the Classic many refer to my picks to make big money.  I offer my picks for free to my friends but for others the price ranges from 500 to 5000.  I am proud to offer all of you the exacta for the Classic.  Quality Road and LAL.  Those two will battle to the wire.  Your welcome.

26 Oct 2010 12:39 PM
Jason Shandler

Yeah Mike, I dont get to visit many horses, you're right. Oh wait...I was able to visit Brass Hat in the winner's circle at Keeneland the other day. You know, the same Brass Hat that you were complaining about in Tom's blog a couple weeks ago. Didnt you say they should retire him, he's done enough, do right by the horse, blah, blah, blah. Let this be a lesson to you dude--you have no idea what kind of health or shape a horse is in. The trainer is the one who knows. Just because a horse is 9 doesnt mean he isnt happy racing. There is an animal rights site you should think about blogging on. Racing aint for you.

26 Oct 2010 12:47 PM
Mike Relva

JASON

Yes,I know what I said regarding Brass Hat on Tom's blog. Unlike your pal Draynay I can step up to the plate and admit I'm wrong sometimes.

26 Oct 2010 12:56 PM
Householder

How did the Giants make it this far?  They have no offense.  It's like watching soccer.  I kick the ball towards the goal and perhaps it will bounce in.  

26 Oct 2010 1:01 PM
Mike Relva

JASON

The day will never come when I apologize for caring about racehorses,current or retired. That you can bet on.

26 Oct 2010 1:47 PM
2:24

Draynay, I certainly would not be surprised if your exacta came in.  Of the two, I prefer LAL.  I think he is sitting on a big race and I'm very impressed with him.  I had mentioned on an earlier blog months back how I was hoping for a WOW 3 year old to show up.  Householder (I believe) advised to wait on LAL and he/she was right.  I'm totally sold on this horse.  I like Blame a bit more than Quality Road at 10 furlongs but certainly think QR will be in the mix as well.  I also think Zenyatta will be in the mix as well.

26 Oct 2010 2:09 PM
Draynay

2:24 Zenyatta will be getting dirt kicked in her face for 1 1/4 proving she is nothing more then a poly specialist.

26 Oct 2010 2:37 PM
Billy's Empire

Yeah Mike, b/c I have come on this blog so many times claiming to be an expert. I am a racing fan with racing interests. Your only interest is being negative, visiting ponies on farms, and complaining a lot. Basically, you are the scrooge of horse racing. Your not funny, not smart, and not positive. All you do is react to what other people say, and never bring anything of substance to the table. Now I am sure you are going to come back and say, "but I picked Haynesfield" Yeah, I have liked that horse since before he was a maiden, but I don't go on the blog every time I pick a winner like you and state it 10 times.

26 Oct 2010 2:53 PM
Tim

Uncle Mo is the most talented 2 year old to come along in a long time. So to say that he's questionable in the Juvenile is ludicrous. War Pass won the Champagne but he wasn't a freak in his first 2 starts at Saratoga, Vindication had only a grade 3 win in his first 3 starts, and Brocco hadn't even run in a stakes race going into the Juvenile and there was no doubt they would win. So please explain to me how a freak like Uncle Mo gets beat by a sprinter and a bunch of slow horses like Jaycito, J P's Gusto, and J.B.'s thunder. wake up people. We are not talking about the Derby. That's way too far down the road, but it seems to me that some of you don't want Uncle Mo to lose because you don't think he can get Classic distances so why not just have him lose now. You are comparing apples to oranges. Maybe he isn't even in the picture come May but that has nothing to do with winning the Juvenile as we all know late developing 2 year olds usually win the Triple Crown races but lets wait until next year to talk about that. Please bet on anyone but Uncle Mo esecially in the multi race bets.

26 Oct 2010 3:12 PM
Mike Relva

BILLY'S EMPIRE

Tim G isn't a fan of yours,is he? As far as smart,I wouldn't trade IQ's with you,that's for certain. As for "visiting ponies" they are former racehorses! The only "racing interest" you have is trying to best Draynay regarding how many stupid statements you can make!

26 Oct 2010 3:27 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

The fact is, we are all learning this game. If you aren't continually learning amd adjusting then you're going to go backwards. Even Bob Baffert, Todd Pletcher, Steve Davidowitz, Jason Shandler, and Steve Haskin are continually learning and adjusting to try to get better at this very difficult game. No one can master it forever. You have to keep an open mind, realize that you don't know everything, understand that you have to keep learning, and trying new things or you are doomed as a handicapper or trainer. Horse racing is the most difficult, skill based form of gambling. That is one reason we love it. The challenge, and the infinite number of things we can learn about it will always be there. Anyone can be a genius one day or one race and an idiot the next. It's the nature of the game. Has there ever been a race where there was a horse that didn't get any bets even if his true odds of winning were a million to one and he finished fifty lengths behind? I don't know if that has happened. I'd be very interested if anyone knows the answer.

26 Oct 2010 3:36 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Clarification!!!!

   My last post should have read-Has there been a horse that didn't get any bets, NOT-"was a horse that didn't get any bets."  I put in an extra word(that) by mistake. I meant to ask- Has there ever been a horse that didn't recieve any bets in a race !!!!!

26 Oct 2010 4:29 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Great comment! There is so much to learn from so many sources. I especially appreciate the comments of those who witness the works, in person, like some were doing before the KD. I hope they do the same for the BC.

Can't wait to see the list of actual pre-entries. So many horses this year! What a great couple of days to look forward to!

26 Oct 2010 4:29 PM
Diane J

Off the subject, but it appears soccer gets the same respect on this blog that Zenyatta gets!  :)

26 Oct 2010 4:37 PM
Matthew W

Draynay well then you've stated your "cold" exacta, cuz if it's Quality Road and Lookin At Lucky down to the wire, that's a one hoss race--Cali is strong this year--Sprint/Smiling Tiger and no need to thank me--Russell The Muscle and me are gonna get rich on this race! Usual Q T is the best U S miler--box with Goldy and play Q T on top--Jaycito is on the improve, and he's done nothing wrong--very live vs Mo/ will box with MoMo and play JayJay to win--however, on this I'll agree with many about Uncle Mo--he does look like the next Slew, but Belmont has a way of doing that, can you say Officer??!! Love Zen in the Classic Exacta, with Blame and Lucky and Richard's Kid, a horse that keeps paying big and running big--I believe he was bred by the Bid people, and like Bid, he doesn't look like too much--until you see him run--a very nice, powerful stride, and he gets 1 1/4/and he's gonna be 15-1! Quality Road just might get the soft pace he needs, although I would throw care to the wind, and just go with this guy--let him try to run them off their feet, like Precisionist, just go and carve out outrageous fractions--the Whitney proved that slowing him down early just won't work--go for it, all in all one of the most intriguing Classics in years, it would not suprise me if lucky, Quality, or Zen won it, obviously I hope Zenyatta does it, but they're just not handing it to her--if she wants it she's gonna have to go get it--they ran down Switch, the filly who dominated Blind Luck at Holly--but they also washed out over the flipping filly who had to be scratched--Big Z was doing that crazy thing with her feet like she was on speed--I would consider Zenyatta to be the horse to beat in the Classic, and this year's Classic may well be one of the greatest horse races of all time if she can dominate--she very well might...Blind Luck is my pick in the Ladies....some very nice West Coasties this year--no excuses from this end/would hope for a dry track.....

26 Oct 2010 4:39 PM
Draynay

Matthew the fact that you believe Blind Luck can beat Life At Ten means you know nothing.  Listen to experts like me to help guide you.

26 Oct 2010 5:28 PM
Draynay

Jason, don't you think it is time people admit to me that MTB was a fluke winner of the Kentucky Derby? I guess he will go down as one of the few who won the Derby and then NEVER won another race. F L U K E.

26 Oct 2010 7:03 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Thanks !!! I can't wait for the final pp's !!!

26 Oct 2010 8:33 PM
screen prospect

Matthew W

It doesnt sound like you are biased in favor of cali now does it? I did buy  a Zenyatta Breyer when at the Horse Park this past weekend. Tho I hope she looses. She can win and she will not be in the top 40 of all time. This BCC race not the greatest ever.

26 Oct 2010 9:14 PM
The Rock

You guys ever wonder how these Euro trainers can determine with great precision on how far their horses can go to be competitive in the future in their 2 year old year while these American trainers find it as a guessing game? I mean for them its either a Guineas prospect or a Derby horse. With american trainers its, i'm not sure if they'll get the distance, but we'll find out. Is it that difficult to determine?

26 Oct 2010 9:44 PM
MONGOOSE

Boys of Tosconova has been working against older stakes horses and beating them in morning works since early Summer, which is kind of unheard of. Mo and the the rest of the Juvenile entrants don't stand a chance.

26 Oct 2010 9:55 PM
Mike Relva

DRAYNAY

Since you decided to open the book again on MTB,didn't you say last year your dislike for him was personal? Tell me you wouldn't want to own a horse that's a Derby winner and was in the money in the other two? Last year when RA was having a career year you stated that Secretariat and Ruffian could "move over". You really tip your hand  how little you know!

26 Oct 2010 9:55 PM
Zookeeper

"This BCC race not the greatest ever." Is this in preparation for a win by Zenyatta? The field isn't even drawn yet. Tell us which of these "not greatest horses" are you hoping will win and fulfill your wish of a loss by Zen?

26 Oct 2010 10:18 PM
Zen's Auntie

1.10:80, that is tasty... LAL is peaking it seems. I cannot wait for the Classic.  The better they all look the better Z looks running past em.

26 Oct 2010 10:39 PM
PJJ

In Zenyatta's 2010 season she didnt just win 5 grade 1 races.  In those 5 grade 1 races she broke Cigar and Citation's win records,  She surpassed Eclipse himself, and she tied with Peppers Pride.

So, Yeah, when you look at Zenyatta's year compared to QR, LAL, Blame,  I say her year heavily outweighs any of their's.

The win in the BCC just pushes her into immortalism,  in which no other horse will stand beside her.  She will make her own history,   I expect no other horse will ever be able to immitate her perfection.  Not now, not ever....

26 Oct 2010 11:14 PM
Draynay

mongoose I already told people what to think you're a little late.

Mike in my opinion Rachel was a better 3 year old then Secretariat or Ruffian.  Both lost and Rachel was perfect all 8 times.  Secretariat lost 3 times to average horses and Ruffian lost when challenged.

26 Oct 2010 11:28 PM
Coldfacts

Draynay

Thanks for the BCC exacta. You certainly cannot be faulted on confidence. Neither QR nor LAL have ever won at the BCC distance and they are expected to dominate this field. I like to look at these races from an historic angle. The history of this race suggests that neither QR nor LAL will win. For the Zenyatta fans she will not win as well. There are too many historic hurdles for them to overcome. I do not expect the winner to emerge from the star stud group.

There is one significant difference with the 2010 BCC field that is being overlooked. For possibly the first there is a foreign based dirt champion with exceptional pedigree in the field. Giant’s Causeway and Sakhee were turf horses that had tough campaigns going into the BBC and were narrowly beaten. The Japanese invader is not a turf specialist, is relatively unknown and is coming into the race fresh. History has taught us that the Japanese are not to be taken lightly. They took the brilliant Deep Impact to participate in the 2006 Arc off an extended respite and lost by a length. Nineteen year ago the Iris bred Black Tie Affair wired the field. The Japanese bred Espoir City is one of the best foreign based dirt horses to be entered in the BCC field. Base on his JAPAN CUP the closer in the 2010 field will have to sprout wings to catch this 5YO chestnut. Folks this is a serious horse.

27 Oct 2010 1:36 AM
Draynay

Blame, LAL, Zenyatta, and Quality Road alone make this one of the best fields in the last 10 years for sure.

27 Oct 2010 1:37 AM
Coldfacts

PJJ,

“The win in the BCC just pushes her into immortalism, in which no other horse will stand beside her.”

The statement above is powerful. However, I wonder how much emotions were involved posting such a statement. Here are some Cold Facts about a couple of horses from the foal crop of 2004:

Street Sense: (13 Starts: 6 - 4 - 2, $4,353,200)

He is the first and only winner of the Breeders Cup Juvenile that went on to win the Kentucky Derby. It was widely believed that BCJ winners were automatic eliminations from the derby top spot. His destruction of the BC Juvenile field resulted in the biggest winning margin since the inauguration of the race. He is a multimillion dollar earner. His move from 19th position to first in the KD was only bettered by the pint size gelding Mine That Bird.  He stands alone with BCJ/KD winner record. He defeated eventual two times HOY Curlin and was champion 2YO. He never raced beyond three.

Rags To Riches: (7 Starts: 5 - 1 - 0, $1,342,528)

She is the first filly to win the Belmont Stakes in over 100 years. She is also the only filly to achieve the Kentucky Oaks/Belmont Stakes double.  In the Belmont she defeated the KD 2nd & 3rd place finishers and Preakness winner and third place finisher.  While The Zen mare was starting in possible non-winner of two, RTR was taking on the best crop of colts produced in several decades on her way to winning four G1 races. Obviously there were easier spots than the Belmont but her connections choose the tougher spot. She was voted champion 3YO filly. She never raced beyond three.

Curlin: (16 Starts: 11 - 2 - 2, $10,501,800)

He entered the toughest race in the USA after only 3 career starts. His unbeaten record was would not only be tested by his opponents but by history. No horse had won the Derby with only three prior starts since 1915 (Regret), and no horse had won with no two-year-old preps since 1882. His connections could have passed the entire Triple Crown series due to his lack of seasoning. However, they were prepared to show the world just how good this colt was. Sitting out the TC could have allowed him to pad his record with the numerous win in the G2 & G3 derbies that normally follow the TC. In spite of his lack of seasoning he was entered in all three TC race wining the Preakness and a close third in the Belmont. After his victory in the JCGC against the top rate older hose in the US, he never lost another race on dirt. He won at various tracks in the US and remain the only US based Dubai World Cup winner to have won a prep race in Dubai preceding the World Cup. His to losses subsequent to the Haskell came on Turf/Synthetic surfaces that his connections could have avoided based on his seven consecutive victories on dirt.. He holds the North American earnings record and was voted HOY in consecutive years. He retired after 15 start.  

If Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday, Dreaming Of Anna and Tiago are added to the list, theses 7 horses from 2004 foal crop won a combined 43 races with earnings of $24.3M. Add Zenyatta to the list and it reads 62 and $30.7M. I certainly do not believe that 8 horses from any other crop have ever experience this type of success and earnings. The three highlighted above set phenomenal records. These records are not likely to be broken or equaled in the short term. They faced the best of their generation in victory and defeat. It was virtually impossible for any to remain undefeated given the level of competition and risk of defeat associated with each start. A number of theses top horses never got an opportunity at a 4YO career. The big questions are. Does Zeyatta’s 19 and 0 record and historic Breeder Cup Classic victory eclipse the record of Street Sense, Rags To Riches and Curlin?  Is she a better thoroughbred than the big three? Would her unbeaten record exist had RTR the champion 3YO filly remained sound?  The Zenyatta faithful have placed her on such a pedestal that it has rendered the phenomenal achievements of her peers Street Sense, Rags To Riches and Curlin insignificant. Reading the Zenyatta tributes give the impression that Street Sense, Rags To Riches and Curlin are chopped liver. The fans of these horses do not share the view that Zenyatta’s records are somehow greater. They are just different.

27 Oct 2010 2:02 AM
screen prospect

Zookeeper the field will not be the greatest ever for that race. Its why Zen has a shot. Zen is a plastic track specialist. That surface going bye bye. She won almost all of her races on it. She is one of the finest mare's I have ever seen. Who can beat her in that race? ANYONE in the starting gate. Will they? I guess we will know after the race. Who do I think has a chance to beat her? You already made up your mind so I guess that part does not matter.

27 Oct 2010 9:01 AM
screen prospect

PJJ

You must not follow racing. I can name 20 off the top of my head better than Zen and thats even if she wins the BCC. IS she be a great mare? Yes. Greatest race horse of all time. Not even close.

27 Oct 2010 9:03 AM
mz

Swooping in really fast before I get back into the piles of work:

ADHD

Too bad he didn't bring up Big Brown again.

That would have been an exacta? a trifecta?

27 Oct 2010 9:58 AM
mz

Obviously, my brain is fried and AGAIN I hit enter before I should have.

I wanted to comment on the 2YO's:

fun, fun, fun to see the babies run

Jason:  Frankel or one of your boys for 2yo of the northern hemisphere this year?

27 Oct 2010 10:00 AM
Footlick

What happened to talking about the 2 yr olds?

27 Oct 2010 10:41 AM
Linda in Texas

I am out of my league on the betting end of horse racing. With that said i was tweaked by a few comments. But first =

Dr. Drunkinbum - Congratulations on your California Giants going to the WS to play against my Rangers. It will be a great series, and Jason, Rangers in 5, i will take that bet! And there will be no rude comments coming from me, it will be fun to watch especially since this is The Rangers first ever trip to a World Series. Cheers!

Zen's Auntie - seems like we are both interested in Bandbox. Watched him win by 9+ at Charles Town then bless him, he comes back and wins on Saturday after stumbling at the start and getting in traffic,came wide and won by 5.It was a nice sight to behold as i thought it was all over.

A 2 year old, but he does have a wonderful cruising speed as i call it and he is fun to watch.

And, Gary Stephens called that race and liked what he saw in Bandbox also.Even mentioning that he felt he should be pointed to the Breeder's Cup Juvenile so we are in good company.

Draynay and Billy's Empire must be either one and the same writing to each other, or they are related.

"Best Handicapper" says who?

I will not give the poster any just due for calling a trainer or trainers, "stupid" that is out of the park on rude. Maybe you just know what stupid means and want some high classed company, but let's not get personal, East Coast or West Coast. It takes all kinds to make Horse Racing the sport it is but 'stupid' it isn't.

Re: Uncle Mo's name perhaps comes from a favorite Uncle of Mike Repole the owner. I watched him interviewed before Mo blew them away in his last race. I think i am correct. I will report back if i am incorrect and admit same if deserved.

Brass Hat at 9 winning like he did and looking in great shape did himself proud. I was happy for him and his owners.

Mine That Bird is still trying and is looking great as he trains. He won The KD and if he wins nothing else, how many can say their horse won the KD and placed in another Triple Crown Race? So please lay off the New Mexico horses. My neighbor state has now produced a KD Winner and Pepper's Pride,19 for 19 and now in foal for the second time.

Where is it written in stone that any horse west of The Mississippi (over the Rockies)is not worthy of being a winner?

PJJ - totally with you. I think the present United States Champion Zenyatta will prove herself once again. If not, she is still a U. S. Champion Breeder's Cup Classic Winner and people from 38 countries tuned in to watch her last race. That is awesome for all of horse racing.

May they all travel safely.

Thank you Jason.

27 Oct 2010 11:18 AM
Zookeeper

screen prospect, My mind is made up as to who I want to win the race. There's no doubt about that. But since it is a horse race... nothing is a given. That's why it's so exciting. My question was a fair one. Your reluctance to answer, using my state of mind as an excuse, speaks volume of yours.

27 Oct 2010 11:52 AM
PJJ

ScreenProspect,  Thanks,  I meant the greatest race mare of all time.

27 Oct 2010 12:06 PM
Householder

Coldfacts.  I think your right on about the foreign invaiders.  The winner may be among them.  They are running 1 7/8 miles in Japan!  Talk about long distance conditioning.  QR has been sleeping the last 3 months, Zenyatta has been drinking beer every noon, and Blame looked like he was on the merry-go-round last out. Not sure what he got out of that.    

27 Oct 2010 12:13 PM
zenyatta mondatta

I hope if Zenyatta doesnt win, I hope the Japanese invader wins.  I would rather he beat them all instead of the NA boys beating her.   Sorry, Coldfacts,  but suppose you see a really mean and determined Zenyatta giving the invader a serious run for his money.  Suppose she whips his butt in the Classic.   I never doubt Zenyatta.   She has one hell of a closing kick,  I hope Japan boy can hang with her.    But, I guarantee no other horse running in the classic has the heart and will and determination as that of Zenyatta.

27 Oct 2010 12:19 PM
Zookeeper

Linda in Texas,

"Uncle Mo" is an expression for MOMENTUM. I don't remember where I read or heard that but that's what I think his name refers to. Jason?

27 Oct 2010 1:39 PM
Zookeeper

I found where I read the explanation for Uncle Mo's name. It's the last question Jason asked Mike Repole on his blog titled:"Get Ready For the Uncle Mo Show". cs.bloodhorse.com/.../uncle.aspx

27 Oct 2010 2:56 PM
jayjay

screen prospect :  You sound just like any other zenyatta naysayers.  They all say "Zenyatta" will not win the race, but then they can't pick ONE horse that they think will win, it's always the "FIELD", or "SOMEONE".  Easy to be a handicapper when you pick ALL the horses except one lol.  Oh and yeah, your opinion really only counts here, and you're in the very very minority group that thinks she's not one of the best of all time.  

I don't know if you follow racing but she beat Cigar, Citation and Eclipse's record, you can spin it all you want, it's already in the record books :)  So go ahead and spin away lol.

27 Oct 2010 3:48 PM
Zen's Auntie

Blame, LAL, Zenyatta, and Quality Road alone make this one of the best fields in the last 10 years for sure.

Draynay 27 Oct 2010 1:37 AM

OMG DRAY?!! a comment that makes perfect sense - you learned to cheek the meds?! way to go man.  I am right there with you on this brother.

So then if the Big Mare DOES win then you are going to be touting that she beat the best BCC field in ten years right?

Linda in TX yes I do like this Tapit colt. What a nice gutsy display, super easy to cheer that kind of performance on! Any other 2 year old with a start like that not winning gets an easy pass - But he Wanted it.  Overcoming his gangly 2 year old self and a clumsy start he went by him self pretty much and got it. The chart says "...under the mildest of handrides" which was easy to see as RD sat so still. You have to love this kind of an effort and he looked like he came out of it well too.  I cant wait to see his next race.

I was dissapointed at first that he would miss the BC races but it didnt fit his schedule at all and after rearching a bit I see where they are going for graded earnings in LA a the delta Jackpot Nov 20 kinda soon for any BC horses to come and play, especially 2 year olds. So its a sweet spot that meets his form too.  

27 Oct 2010 8:10 PM
screen prospect

Zookeeper i dont know who will go in the gate. I think several horses can win the race. I know your mind is made up. Mine is not. I learned after AP was scratched the morning of Derby. I will see who goes in the gate. I think several who may start can win the race. Winners of major races this year. LOL would be obvious but NO horse is a shoe in to get to the gate. So I will see when they draw and who goes in the gate. If I think Zen is the best to win then thats who I will bet.

27 Oct 2010 8:41 PM
screen prospect

Jayjay well your opinion means little. Lets see I can say for sure ANY TC winner trumps Zen. I can say Kelso, Seabiscuit, John Henry, Forego and many more. So you can check the Top 100 Horses out on Amazon. So the list of horses that are the greatest of all time is long and distinguished. Here is the link.en.wikipedia.org/.../Blood-Horse_magazine_List_of_the_Top_100_U.S._Racehorses_of_the_20th_Century Now I know all you cali lovers love Zen. I think she is great. I also think win or loose she is one of the best mare's I have seen. If Golikova wins well Zen gets bumped down on my list. She has faced the best of several generations male or female. Zen ducked the colts in all but 1 of her races.  Oh and Jayjay I am sure you will bet every dime you can raise on Zen to win even if she is even money right?

27 Oct 2010 8:52 PM
screen prospect

Food for thought. If Blame QR or LOL  win then they get HOTY. Zen misses out again. I bet your were mad that last year it wasn't even close. I know I expected a dead heat.

27 Oct 2010 9:01 PM
Linda in Texas

Thanks Zookeeper, i watched the HRTV pre race interview and Mike Repole mentioned that several members of his family were there including his mother. I can see how i got the uncle mo mention mixed in with the derivation of his horses name.

I just read Jason's interview of Mike. It is a New York style of talk that i love because i hear it so little. Thanks for the correction. I love New York and have a total blast every time i get to go. And when i do, i never have to tell anyone where i am from!

I stand corrected and I gladly apologize for making a statement that was not entirely truthful. I thought Mr. Repole meant he had an Uncle Mo. He may not have an Uncle Mo, but i enjoyed watching the real Uncle Mo run and win.

I wish Mr. Repole continued great luck and success with his horses. I especially respect his attitude for the well being of all race horses when they don't run anymore.  

27 Oct 2010 9:06 PM
Mike Relva

SCREEN PROSPECT

You stated JAYJAY'S opinion"means very little". How much do you think your opinion means? lol

27 Oct 2010 9:18 PM
Linda in Texas

Zen's Auntie - thank you for the explanation of why Bandbox won't be in the BC Juvy. Gary mentioned something about him 'not being pointed toward the BC Juvy' but i missed that. Ramon handled the stumble superbly and so did the horse to recover like he did.

He will be one to watch and i will be doing just that. And thanks for the research information. Appreciate you.

27 Oct 2010 9:23 PM
Shiznik

San Francisco Giants Baseball!  Get too know me!

27 Oct 2010 10:07 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Linda in Texas

  Thanks, and good luck !!!!

28 Oct 2010 12:28 AM
screen prospect

Well mike nice of you to butt in. Fact is jayjay has to insult first. I already know that my opinion means little which is about the same as yours or jayjay's. What I think wont determine who HOTY  will be. We all have our favorite's. Who we like or love as a racehorse we do for our own reasons. To say Zen is your fav and you hope she wins is one thing. To say she broke Citations record and therefore she is better than that one is another thing. I guess I was in the minority last year as well when I said RA would win HOTY. I think the majority on here said Zen would.  So mike just hurl some insults like jayjay because you dont like someones post.

28 Oct 2010 8:53 AM
screen prospect

you also have to look at the competition Zenyatta's been beating by heads and half lengths this year, who is Rinterval, what has she done? and Switch and St Trinians, yes good, but not the cream of the crop, and arent grade/group I winners to my knowledge, these mares arent near as good as QR, Lucky and Blame, so if she can barely run them down, do you really think she can run these three colts down? and in the Indiana Derby, Lucky sat at the very back of the pack, on a surface he didnt seem to be getting over very well, and just strolled home, Zenyatta, the same day or the day after, she ran her heart out from the same position as Lucky came down the stretch at a flat out gallop, whip and all, on a surface she loves, and Lucky was within a second of her time, if Lucky can stroll home in that time, and she's all out only a second faster, on even turms Lucky could beat her, he showed he can get over dirt, he showed he can get over the Churchill track, a surface Zen has never raced on, and she's never had a triple digit beyer on dirt, just giving you a bit more of my thinking, and if the track comes up sloppy? Lucky handles the slop much better at Churchill than at Hoosier

28 Oct 2010 9:58 AM
Shiznik

Very few things are as revealing as too how good a handicapper is or isn't then when you hear them compare times of races ran in different states too support a theory of why one horse will beat another.

From that point on you just humor them and ignore them as best as possible.

28 Oct 2010 11:23 AM
Mike Relva

SCREEN PROSPECT

I had no illusion that RA was going to win HOY last time. Let's be clear,unlike some I don't live in a fantasy world. As for "butting in' last time checked,this is a blog!

28 Oct 2010 11:36 AM
ajlit

people insist on talkin' triple crowns at this point of horses careers is RIDICULOUS especially in this age of racehorses that ca't get through 4 or 5 stsrts without being retired...even more so with young fast ones !! Whatever the odds may be that Uncle Mo or BAT even run in ALL 3 spring classics I'LL LAY 'EM !!!

28 Oct 2010 1:17 PM
Zen's Auntie

Screen Prospect - just a few comments, to look at the margin of a "stretch closer" wins and then say they are not good enough to beat faster horses shows lack of understanding of this type of race horse.  

The tactic to beat horses with closing style is often to set a crawling pace or to get out on the lead so far that its insurmountable.  These tactics often do lead to a closer getting beat, and it can lead to slow overall times with AMAZING last 18th or 16th times when the closer wins.

Some horses live to just to barely pass the competion in the stretch this creates thrilling wins by the narrowest of margins.  

NO race horse wins 19 consecutive races unless they WANT TO. You must always let the horse (especially a winner) win the way they want to.  The way some horses want to win is by the narrowest of margins driving in the stretch. Its THE GAME its a joy for them. like a surfer catching the perfect way it is this kind of horses ultimate adrenaline rush.

Some horses show an almost unnatural lengthening of stride in this type of stretch drive.  

To say this type of win shows lack of ability to run faster, is to illustrate lack of understanding for what drives some racehorses.

And I didnt even mention any names Jason...

28 Oct 2010 1:20 PM
ajlit

PS: THE real horse of the year ( AND DECADE !!)goes cruisin by at the 1/16th pole (AS USUAL !!) and wins by open lengths in her final start of her PERFECT CAREER !! I'm an east coaster (Belmont is my home, Saratoga my vacation home !) but i've been in love with this beauty since the Apple Blossom in when she ran past Ginger Punch like she was tied to a post ! Usually she just runs as fast as she has to...this time  think she goes and crushes the field !! lest we forget she's the only horse in the field that WANTS 10 furlongs around 2 turns !! HAMMER her on top of Blame and Lookin at Lucky !! While I'm at it Sarah Louise, Harmonious, Winter Memories (CAN"T LOSE !!)and Acoma ($48, thank you !) right back !!    

28 Oct 2010 1:33 PM
Zookeeper

screen prospect - Keep working on it... you'll eventually find the horse you're looking for. I have mine. The post position has no bearing on my choice and the potential opposition has pretty much been sorted out. Good luck to you and your horse (if you ever take a stand on one)!!!

28 Oct 2010 2:39 PM
Draynay

Screen... you couldn't be more right. Mentioning Zenyatta in the same sentence as Citation is laughable at best.

28 Oct 2010 3:40 PM
Linda in Texas

Dr. Drunkinbum - Congrats - Your Giants win the first game, so take a bow, but not too long and don't get comfortable!!

And Good Luck to Everybody on the WS and the BC Races, hope your dreams and bets make you all experts and millionaires.

28 Oct 2010 3:44 PM
jayjay

screen prospect : don't turn it to "you're attacking me!" argument. You insult PJJ's comment, then you cry about my post to you as insulting lol.  Don't argue if you can't take responses not favoring your opinion.

I responded to your post about Zenyatta not belonging to the greatest horses of all time.  That's your opinion and it really only counts here, because Zenyatta beat Citation and Cigar and Eclipse's record.  I never said she's better than Citation, if you're going to try and twist my word, make sure you can prove it.   I said she broke their record for consecutive wins, she belongs to with the greatest horses of all time...not MARE, HORSE.  She's earned it, regardless of what you think.

28 Oct 2010 4:27 PM
jayjay

Draynay : Zenyatta beat Citation's consecutive wins record :) (you're right, mentioning those two on a post to you is very funny) LOL

28 Oct 2010 4:31 PM
Zen's Auntie

Sigh.... I just got the update - Im not even sure where to comment about this except that I guess 2 year olds will be the whole game if we dont quit this stuff so here goes.

All right, I know he won the Derby in the slop under "borail" but really?? another 3 year old retired to stud after not lasting even the whole 3 year old year - wow - SURE... sounds great, lets breed a Bit MORE for unsoundness  shall we??

28 Oct 2010 4:58 PM
PJJ

If some of you naysayers want to continue to down grade Zenyatta, then think about this,  SS has been retired, with injury with alot less races than Zenyatta , the other colts that have retired this year due to injury have been retired with alot less races than Zenyatta, now they cant help having injuries, but the bottom line is this,  Zenyatta has ran longer than most of them, being six years old , no injuries to date causing an early retirement,  beating tough fillies , giving them all the extra distance , then she kicks it into her next gear just to mow them down in time before they can get to the wire.  She is doing all this at six years old.  You want to tell me this isnt an incredible horse?  You damn right she is,  And she has never lost,  Yes, she can lose, but if she ever loses,  It sure won't be by margins the colts have lost to.

This horse is definintly one for the ages,  I expect we will never see another one like her that can withstand the test of time like she has, still doing it with her ears pricked like she is playing with the others.  

Accept it naysayers. This is what a miracle looks like....Show me another one that compares to her.

Better yet,  show me a colt that has won 19 races consectulively without a loss and just getting tired and not wanting to run that day and just lost?   She hasnt, she has held her on to the finish line 19 times......

Zenyatta ,  you're one in a million.........Or should I say ,  ONe in millions......

Making history every single day......

28 Oct 2010 5:37 PM
screen prospect

Oh I see what happened. I read the other blog posts. Seems like jayjay zookeeper and mike have had issues with anyone commenting about Zen. makes perfect sense to me. I see nobody can have a different opinion.  I have seen Housebuster get clipped int he chest on Breeders Day. I have seen mant horses breakdown in the Belmont. You know the names. I have seen AP scratch the am of Derby. I have no idea who I will wager on when I am at churchill until they draw. Then I have to see if the go in the gate. You people act like the field is drawn Zen is in and its all over.You have her winning premature at best. I hope it goes well and all get in and have a clean trip. Zen has been great for racing. I hope someone can pick up where she left off and be the face of racing. Zen is very beatable in the classic.

28 Oct 2010 9:10 PM
screen prospect

Zookeeper I have had my share of horses that I adore and followed. Some won huge on BC day some didnt make it. I loved Curlin after his Derby race. He showed alot to me  then. Before I didnt think much of him. He proved it to me. Ghostzapper was a nice horse. I have been to cali 4 times for Breeders cup. I saw Skip Away win I saw Kotashan win. I loved Tikkanen and Hatoof ran 2nd the best mare on turf across the pond. It was huge payday. I have had my favorites break my heart as well. Housebuster for one. Best Pal. I am glad I can go back to Santa Anita IF they ever get Breeders again now  that they are going back to dirt. Lone Star was great. I hope this BC yields horses that will excite us in 2011.

28 Oct 2010 9:25 PM
screen prospect

Jayjay to say you think I am wrong is fine. To say first that my opnion means little then to try to tell me your means so much wont get you far. You have shown in your other posts your biased. As Jason said many are not objective when it comes to Zen.  I am more in his camp when it comes to Zen. I will look it over when I get the form and if I think she is the best play to win I will bet on her and hope I cash. If I dont wager on her and she beats me I will have seen something I may never see again.

28 Oct 2010 9:31 PM
screen prospect

Jayjay show me where I insulted PJJ. I didnt. I said I can name 20 horses as of right now that are better than Zen. That can all change on BC day.

28 Oct 2010 9:36 PM
Mike Relva

SCREEN PROSPECT

You probably said she would lose last year,also. You talk about us being bias regarding Zenyatta,sounds like you don't like a different opinion than yours. I'll say what I said last year prior to the Breeders',alot of people's worlds will collapse in one frame when Zenyatta wins. lol

28 Oct 2010 10:30 PM
jayjay

screen prospect : you insinuated that he's not as smart as you.  

I quote you :

" Jayjay to say you think I am wrong is fine. To say first that my opnion means little then to try to tell me your means so much wont get you far. You have shown in your other posts your biased.  "

And I quote you again, this time from your Oct 27th 8:52PM post :

" Jayjay well your opinion means little. "

I guess you made your point, your biased. :)  Of course you're on Jason's side on this one.  I've not said anything negative to you that you didn't ask for.   Jason thinks "objective" is a word that only applies to Zen fans.  He would never use that word against QR or Blame, because, well, he doesn't like Zen.  If you took the time to read my posts, you should take the time to read Jason's.

And while you're at it, why don't you read your posts so you are aware of what you say before you repeat it again.  I don't know why, but I sense LDP roaming around here....

28 Oct 2010 10:38 PM
Zookeeper

screen prospect,

She was beatable in every race she ever entered. With her running style, it's the nature of the beast. Things won't be any different this time around. I don't blame you for looking elsewhere for better odds.

My question was (and still is) which of those "not so great horses" do you think will get the job done?

My original objection wasn't about what you said about the mare (believe me, we've heard it all) it was that you were already down-grading the quality of the competition.

Anyway, peace and good luck!

28 Oct 2010 11:45 PM
LDP

Jayjay,

You miss me that much that you can sense me watching? Wow. No screen prospect is not me, sorry to burst your bubble.

29 Oct 2010 7:27 AM
screen prospect

Zookeeper I think many posting here have downgraded the competition. I think LAL has a shot but I dont like his last race. I think he needed more. The bullet he fired gives me more to think about. I think I have to see the past performances they are in the bloodhorse this week. I know QR ran fast but I know that does not mean he is the fastest. Churchill can be tricky. Spain and Caressing were not the best and not the fasted and won. AT 50-1 who had that ticket?I think one difference that does NOT make me a naysayer is that if I think she is much the best I would bet her on the nose at 2-1. I hope the field is full and no horse has any excuses.

29 Oct 2010 9:06 AM
screen prospect

Mike I bet her last year. It was her preferred surface.

29 Oct 2010 9:06 AM
screen prospect

jayjay I had a different opinion than a few and expressed it. It was YOU who first fired back that my opinion means little as you didnt like what I had to say.  Here is your first shot.

screen prospect :  You sound just like any other zenyatta naysayers.  They all say "Zenyatta" will not win the race, but then they can't pick ONE horse that they think will win, it's always the "FIELD", or "SOMEONE".  Easy to be a handicapper when you pick ALL the horses except one lol.  Oh and yeah, your opinion really only counts here, and you're in the very very minority group that thinks she's not one of the best of all time.

I meant no offense to anyone. My comment to PJJ maybe has a different view. Put it this way. Horses like Kelso or War Admiral and that era as well as Triple Crown winners had to race 3 races in 5 weeks carry top weight and still broke records. Competition was fierce. Think Alydar Affirmed. I read about those horses and what they did and how they did it and they were great. I would go and visit JOhn Henry and you see his size and think this horse did all of that. The bar to the top 20 is real high. Remember when Zen was 1 behind or tied to PP and the comments you made. Zen was better even if she had lost one. Perfect record is not everything or you would say Zen is better than Secretariat. I would not have bought a breyer model at the horse park if I didnt have respect for her. I didnt blow 50.00 because I am rich. I have 2 Zen and Big Red. BTW I dont claim to be smarter than anyone. AS you well know picking a winner is not always about brains.  I picked Alphabet Soup OTN and had the exacta and tri straight. It wasnt because I was smart. It was I had an opinion and it was right that day. My filly beat the boys as she was special. People thought I was an idiot when i claimed her. I have a soft spot for fillies. I have Serana's shoe she threw Breeders Cup day on my wall. SBD was great. Spain won more but not as good IMO. WIn loose or draw I think Zen is the best I have seen of her sex a very long time. IMO better than Cigar not Citation. I loved my filly more than you know. Broke my heart to loose her. I know you people love Zen. Good for you and good for racing.

29 Oct 2010 9:35 AM
Linda in Texas

Changing the subject - for a minute -

Congrats again Dr. Drunkinbum, hold your pose, YIKES Giants 9 Rangers Zip. Ouch.  Maybe they can get themselves together when they get back on Texas soil.

Super Saver retired. KD winner and so young. That is a shame. Just shows how hard it is to keep them healthy and able to run.

And yes, that is an unspoken jab at anyone who thinks Brass Hat or Zenyatta or Lava Man or any of them running after 3 is easy to do.

29 Oct 2010 12:20 PM
Saratoga AJ

Jason,

Rangers in 5??? :)

Pitching, pitching, pitching.

29 Oct 2010 4:04 PM
jayjay

There you are LDP, I always knew you watch my posts :)

29 Oct 2010 7:56 PM
LAZMANNICK

screen prospect

Sounds like you know everything about racing, have been to all the tracks, seen all the contoversial and non-contrioversial incidents.  I know I'm impressed. WOW!  

29 Oct 2010 8:35 PM
LDP

Oh jayjay,

I always watch. I'm on BH everyday.

30 Oct 2010 9:51 AM
Mike Relva

LDP

How's it going? I think I know the other name you are using.

30 Oct 2010 6:31 PM
ruffianruns

So Murjan seems impressive.  He's beat 3-year-olds already.  I'm really looking forward to the boys Juvy.  Uncle Mo, Boys, Jaycito, Stay Thirsty - Wow!

LDP - What is your take on the Classic?  Of course, I think Zen is going to win going away, but you'll probably take another horse.  And how are you doing with the Rachel Alexandra retirement?  I'm still sad about her leaving, it was so sudden.  I wrote a long letter to the Jacksons just telling them how much I love her and how much she meant to me.  Oh, I thought it was really funny that you popped up when jayjay started getting paranoid!

jayjay - I know I owe you an email.  I've been busy!  Will you be able to make it to the BC?

Linda in Texas - Congrats on your Rangers winning their first Series game at home!  I'm rooting for the Giants, but you've been such a good sport, I wanted to return the favor.  Now if they get another win, I might not be so nice!  :-)

31 Oct 2010 12:56 AM
Monty

I really like "Jaycito" in this one with Mike Smith up. He's gotta a great stretch kick, and will be flying late ! Go Mikey !

03 Nov 2010 2:47 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Yep, it was Mo and Boys alright with no one else even in the ballpark. Well, Jaycito was in the upper bleachers. I still say that Mo is undefeated going into the Derby, and will be the Derby fav. His path should be all mapped out soon if it isn't already. Jason, are you going to see if you can interview Todd soon and see if he has the path mapped out. Maybe he'd like to give an Eskendereya comparison eventhough their styles are different. He won't say who he would rather have, I'm sure but I'd still like to see how he responds. Maybe ask him also if he'll scratch the horse next time if he or she looks like Life At Ten did. Looks like a tremendous Derby Road coming up very soon.

07 Nov 2010 4:16 AM

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