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Ten Longshots to Consider

With the draw now complete for all 14 Breeders' Cup races, here are 10 (okay, 11) longshots I will be strongly considering. Back on Thursday and Friday with final picks. 

Marathon--Precision Break (15-1)

Has some negatives being that this will be his first start in the United States and on dirt, and it will be his graded stakes debut. But he fits in this wide-open race based on his win two races back on the Doncaster turf. Unlike many of the horses in here who have never travelled 1 3/4 miles, Precision Break has been running marathon distances for most of his career in England. If he improves on dirt, could be an interesting contender. All this being said, I'm not crazy about this race.

Filly & Mare Sprint--Champagne d'Oro (6-1)

She will be an overlay based on post 14 and her fourth-place finish in the TCA, but that was on Polytrack, a surface she is not as good on. She also did not run well in her only start at Churchill in the Kentucky Oaks, but she had a bad trip and was going long. That was her only poor effort in seven starts this year. Has a series of sharp works at Churchill since her last race. If she can clear horses under Miguel Mena, she should be near the pace. One turn suits this filly much better. Post certainly isn't ideal, but you will get more than fair value.

Filly & Mare Turf--Red Desire (8-1)

Midday will be the heavy favorite and rightfully so, but if you're looking for a better price the Japanese invader could be worth a look. Her third in the Flower Bowl in her U.S. debut was very good considering she was running over soft ground and it was off a lengthy layoff. She has a good chance to improve in her second U.S. start and fits well in a field that, once you get past Midday, is not all that intimidating.

Juvenile Fillies Turf--New Normal (10-1) and More Than Real (10-1)

The one-two finishers of the Natalma are both legitimate contenders at big prices. New Normal will be on or near the lead in a large field, which could be ideal since she will avoid trouble. The heavy favorite in here, Winter Memories, while very impressive in the Miss Grillo, will likely have to circle the field to win, as she will be coming from way back.

Todd Pletcher loves the way More Than Real is training. She is the stalking type, which suits Javier Castellano just fine.

Sprint--Wise Dan (10-1) and Atta Boy Roy (12-1)

Wise Dan is lightly raced and will be up against his toughest competition yet, but there is no sharper horse entering the race and comes from in a barn that is as hot as anyone around. The half-brother to Keeneland star Successful Dan, he has a decisive win at Churchill two races back (on slop) and should get a perfect stalking trip.

Atta Boy Roy has been pointing toward this race ever since he dominated the Churchill Downs Stakes in May. He hasn't run back to that race in his subsequent four starts, but his stakes win at Remington two back was good enough and was razor sharp in his recent works. Oh...and a guy name Borel will ride him.

Turf Sprint--Stradivisnky (10-1)

Should be the controlling speed in a wide-open and very difficult race to handicap. There are a bunch of horses that have excelled over this course and Stradivinsky is one of them. Lost to Chamberlain Bridge, who is the co-second choice, by a half-length last out. The price will be much better on this former claimer who has clearly found his best stride.

Dirt Mile--Vineyard Haven (10-1) and Aikenite (50-1)

I'm shocked at the morning line on both of these. Had Vineyard Haven won the Forego he would have been the favorite here. As it was, he was a bit flat for that one in his second start of the year and then they decided to bypass the Kelso to keep him fresh. I expect him to be sharper in his third off a layoff. The one-turn mile should be perfect for a horse that I think is the most talented in the race.

As far as Aikenite, I'm not predicting he will win, but 50-1? He nearly set the track record at Keeneland in his last start at seven furlongs and he was a solid runner-up at Churchill in the Derby Trial in April. He is a much better one-turn horse and has a chance to hit the board at a huge price. Remember, it's still Pletcher/Velazquez. He's worth using in a wide-open race.

Classic--Paddy O'Prado (15-1)

Everyone will be looking for Zenyatta, Blame, and Lookin At Lucky to come flying at the end. What if it's Paddy? He certainly has proved himself a top turf horse and is probably better over that surface, but don't forget how well he ran in the Derby while he was still learning. He is one of the few horses in here that has won at 10 furlongs. Yes, it was on turf, but the turf-to-dirt angle has been used with success before. Romans and Desormeaux have won a few races at Churchill before, I think. Just sayin.'

Back Thursday and Friday with picks.

137 Comments:

I am all over Vineyard and it should tell us about the condition of the track as well.  A nice fast track and Vineyard never looks back.  Without enough water on the track it will get fluffy and set up the closers.  If speed holds the Classic should be a walk around for Quality Road.  Zenyatta 8 to 5 ? Is everyone in racing crazy ?

Draynay 02 Nov 2010 5:30 PM

Talking about the long shots, I hope that we'll see Forever Together in the winner's circle...I don't think that Paddy has much chances. Best of luck to the every horse and let's get ready for the show :-)

Windy City 02 Nov 2010 5:39 PM

Jason, I too love Aikenite at 50-1...should make for a great tri/super payout.

Question: can you explain the red markings on Zenyatta's front wraps? I've noticed them over the past few weeks. It looks like blood, althought I'm sure there's some other explanation. Thanks.

Dustin in STL 02 Nov 2010 6:05 PM

I see your not looking at any long shots in the Juvy.  I still think Jaycito at 8 to 1 is worth a play. Rather than Champagne D' Oro at 6 to 1 give me Evening Jewel at 15 to 1 she throws it all down every time.

Zen's Auntie 02 Nov 2010 6:14 PM

Draynay, the only person in racing who is crazy is you LOL.

ITA Jason, that if Zenyatta does not win it, it would be wide open imo. I don't think you can ignore Paddy at all. This has to be at the top of racing fields ever assembled for thre BCC.

Paula Higgins 02 Nov 2010 6:22 PM

DRAYNAY

Wanna express my sincere thanks for you doing what you always do, placing a curse on horses you pick. Your QR drew the one post,you see even before he's in the gate you did your damage. Thanks for the gift! lol

Mike Relva 02 Nov 2010 6:23 PM

Jason, I just watched Uncle Mo and BAT again in their last races.  BAT is your winner this weekend.  Uncle Mo hasn't faced a challenge like he will see from BAT.  Bet Big on BAT.

Draynay 02 Nov 2010 6:39 PM

Eclair de Lune at 15-1 in the Filly and Mare Turf?  Money in the bank.  Bet the farm.  Quality Road has zero chance coming out of the 1 hole.  A certain poster above has a better chance of hitting the pick 6 Saturday than Quality Road has of winning the Classic (and we all know he hasn't picked one winner since the George H. Bush administration).

Ted from LA 02 Nov 2010 6:44 PM

My long shot play: Al Khali @ 10/1 in the turf.  In his works, he appears to relish the firm turf course at Churchill while several Euro's aren't liking it.   They're even considering scratching Workforce.

BTW, Paddy doesn't like fast dirt tracks.  Assuming it stays dry at Churchill, look at his Preakness instead of his Derby as turfers often do well on sloppy dirt.

Barb Dwyer 02 Nov 2010 6:54 PM

Dustin - the red spots are cayenne powder made into a paste and put on the bandages to keep the horses from ripping their wraps off.

Fuzzy Corgi 02 Nov 2010 6:56 PM

oh yes and I forgot to mention I think Proviso could show up somewhere near Goldi at 12 to 1 She looked pretty good to me under Kent D.  Mott is a crafty trainer and she is 4 straight in grade 1 wins.  

Zen's Auntie 02 Nov 2010 7:00 PM

Dustin - I believe the red markings on Z's front wraps is just hot sauce.  It's put on the wraps to prevent horses from chewing them off.

Holybull 02 Nov 2010 7:04 PM

Dustin, I've heard that the red spots on Zenyatta's wraps are from cayenne or another hot pepper to keep her from chewing them.

LauraS 02 Nov 2010 7:14 PM

Theysken's Theory(10-1) in the JF  is my longshot spot play. I think the dirt will enable her brilliance to shine,she's bred for it and looks like a billion bucks out there on the Churchill oval. Theysken's Theory $$$ across the board & w/AZ Warrior for the ice-cold exacta box.BAM!!

Wyomia(12-1) in the JF Turf is starting to look even better now that Bejarano has the mount.She should get a good trip sitting right off the pace from the 8-hole.I say she definitely hits the board @ 18-1 or higher.Also,Kathmanblu @ (10-1) w/Leparoux is crazy! She'll be in my tix that's for sure.

Midday looks tough in the F/M turf,but you'll get juicy prices to use underneath,like: Plumania(8-1),Eclair de Lune(15-1 should like the distance),Harmonious((6-1 & could possibly run-away w/it),Hibaayeb(8-1)and Red Desire(8-1).Forever Together has lost a step,but @ (10-1) she's usable in rounding-out the exotics.

The Dirt mile looks wide open.I'll probably buy that race.. w/all.

BC Marathon: I thought Prince Will I Am(4-1)was too low,but I'll use him along with Eldaafer(12-1).They both should take to the marathon distance.

F/M Sprint also looks wide open.Evening Jewel,Sara Louise & GGG @ (15-1) is a gift though.

I'll avoid Pletcher's horses like the plague.His BC record is atrocious,especially at Churchill.QR will have to be sent from the rail,he'll back-up faster than I originally thought.

Carlos in Cali 02 Nov 2010 7:15 PM

I think I said this last year but I'll say it again. that marathon is not worthy of the breeders cup. ok, if it had top stayers from europe in it, but it doesn't. they were at melbourne yesterday. every other race is a championship race of one sort or another but this is just poor fare. if the extreme distance for us horses is supposed to be a novelty event, why not replace it with a celebrity egg and spoon race or one of those bikini races or something. I am english so I do appreciate distance races but the two euro challengers are handicappers, and not very good ones at that. enough ranting.

my long shots for the friday are:

more than real, jessica is back, theyskens theory, harmonious, unrivalled belle.

I know some of these are not real long shots but they are bigger prices over here. 8s harmonious, 11s unrivalled belle. really looking forward to it and would appreciate any ideas, tips or feedback from us racing fans out there.    

Vince 02 Nov 2010 7:17 PM

There are a couple longshots I will be looking at as well.

In the Turf Sprint: Tropic Storm, he is also blazing fast and Stradivinsky will NOT be th eonly one up front...besudes at 15-1 he is worth a look for sure. This horse has made 16 starts or soemthing like that and only been out of the money twice.

In the Jevinile I agree...while I LOVE Boys at Tosconova and Uncle Mo, Jaycito is no pushover. I will be using him in my plays as well.

In the F&M Turf: it is hard for me but I just LOVE Harmonious. Her most recent win shows she has a ton of potential in here and if ANYONE is going to upset the fave, I think she has as good a chance as any. I love Forever Together though and would love to see her winning form return as well. It is awfully hard to overlook Red Desire as well.

Sprint: COMPLETELY agree with Jason on Atta Boy Roy...he is sitting on a prime effort in here I think.

Marathon: What about Eldaafar??

Ladies Classic: Don't think anyone will beat the classy Blind Luck but if it is not to be her day I would take a hard look at Acoma and Malibu Prayer. Just for the LONGSHOT angle. Then again what about Persistetly?? If you go off ANY kind of superstitious angle, she WON the Personal Ensign, is carrying the Phipps silks and PE DID win the LC when it was more appropraitely named the Distaff. COPuld we see another hopeless winner? Anything is posible.

The Mile: Not that I think anyone IS going to upset the brilliant Goldikova BUT my longshot against her would be Court Vision! His Woddbine MIle win was an impressiveone against a good group of horses and he CAN go the distance and win this thing if they time it right down the stretch.

The Turf: Same thing...don't think anyone is going to upset Workforce BUT Winchester is a steal at 8-1 AND Dangerous Midge is my longshot here.

F & M Sprint: Sara Louise!

Would be SO curious to see what GunBow is predicting for longshots! GunBow, you out there man???

Mademoiselle Mondatta 02 Nov 2010 7:19 PM

I'm with you Zen's Auntie on Jaycito (let the Victory Gallop side roll) and Evening Jewel (no one dare tell her how much she cost).  

Wise Dan looks interesting.  109 and change race over the track...100 3/5 work at 5f.  He could "freak" forward in his third start.  

Paddy O...let's see how he works over the track.  My thought has always been this will be won by a horse who actually wants to go this far.  

Whatever happened to Pletcher's Kentucky Derby prospect Devil May Care?  

Householder 02 Nov 2010 7:37 PM

Paula Higgins he isn't in racing, thank goodness.

He's just crazy.

Get prepared Draynay she'll go off even lower. Like all of TV is saying after 10.5 million people watched 60 Minutes, fell in love with her they'll all be betting her.

Ted not really true, I heard he had several win bets for 2.20 when he was here at Keeneland. Thought he'd died and gone to heaven and even requested an escort out.  Which, knowing him as the people on here do, they were only too happy to provide. Anything to get rid of him. :)

Still contemplating my picks. A lot to assimilate after the draw.

Tom FV 02 Nov 2010 7:41 PM

Dustin, the red streaks on Z's front wraps are hot sauce-- it keeps horses from undoing them with their teeth.

Ilse 02 Nov 2010 7:43 PM

Jason, you touched on Winter Memories and the prospect of the filly encountering trouble in running. I’m a massive fan of the filly and believe she possesses the necessary turn of foot to extricate herself from an unpromising position, but I do have one lingering doubt that might prevent me having a monster bet. The Miss Grillo win came on yielding turf, while the Saratoga win was on firm ground. I didn’t think she looked completely at home on the fast ground on her debut. I thought she one despite the firm ground and not because of it. Her high knee action backs up that theory as horses that exhibit that trait invariably run better on more forgiving ground. I here she’s working well, but have her connections expressed any fears about the firm turf out there?

Also, any news of Murjan (juvenile)? He was meant to gallop on Monday and Tuesday but there’s been no reports on how he’s getting on back in the US.    

Elbows McGuiness 02 Nov 2010 7:48 PM

Jaycito? I wouldn't bet Jaycito with your money!  BAT and Mo are the horses to watch California horses will be getting dirt kicked in their face all the way around the track.  Watch how much dirt Zenyatta eats.  Zenyatta will be getting dirt kicked in her face for 1 1/4.

Draynay 02 Nov 2010 7:49 PM

There are some other 3 year olds who like to go long in the Classic.  How about Fly Down on the ticket?  2 seconds and a show at 1 1/4-1 1/2 miles.  There are about 6 of the 12 that can be tossed.  He would not be one of them.  It really looks to be about a 6 horse race.  We will have a little pace, some stalkers, and deep closers.  Probably one from each group shows up on the trifecta.  Good weather and the form should hold.  

Householder 02 Nov 2010 8:01 PM

You need a long shot for the classic I have one that is just right! Pleasant Prince he is a lightly raced three year old. I believe his daddy won this race I might be wrong. He is a distance horse and seems to coming into his own right now. I know its a huge step up in class but he is a horse that knows something about dirt in the face which alot of these other horses havent seen yet! Gets a weight break and I have this feeling in the back of my mind that with all these horses mentioned that some no named horse like this will shock the world! I am a chalk eating fool but PP will be around 40-1 at post time!

In aint easy being good! 02 Nov 2010 8:04 PM

just when i thought vineyard haven was safe, smh thanks again.

i dont see champagne doro being a longshot. i do agree with aikenite i will use him in the exotics. atta boy roy will be 3rd choice cause of borail. paddy o'prado is in the wrong race. musket man and rajiv maragh ??? not happening

thomas 02 Nov 2010 8:07 PM

Z has a tall order, I still she wins by daylight.

john washington 02 Nov 2010 8:57 PM

Some quick longshot plays for me:

F & M Sprint- Jessica Is Back (12-1)- ran close to Rightly So last time out and has handily beaten Dubai Majesty, will benefit from the distance.

F& M Turf- Eclair de Lune (15-1)- I have a soft spot for her after her Beverly D win. Can't imagine she will be 15-1 but that will be nice if she is. Not sure she can handle the distance, but there shouldn't be much pace here, so who knows. Red Desire at 8-1 looks nice as well.

Juvenile Fillies- Delightful Mary (8-1) Not sure I will play her as I really like Awesome Feather and R Heat Lightning here, but she looks interesting if she can move up on the dirt.

Distaff- None, this is a Blind Luck-Life at Ten exacta all the way.

Sprint- Atta Boy Roy (12-1) Horse for the course, Beyers stack up with the best here. I like Big Drama best but will use Atta Boy Roy and the horse that beat him over this course, Riley Tucker (8-1) underneath. Like Warrior's Reward (12-1) as well but think he needs at least another furlong to hit the board.

Juvenile- Jaycito (8-1). My pick to win. The pace here will be brutal and he should fall right into it. No doubt he will love the surface.

Mile- Proviso (12-1). She is just a gamer and will fire big here. I love the closers in the Mile.

Dirt Mile- Vineyard Haven (10-1). Here Comes Ben and Tizway are my top picks here also at good odds but at his best Vineyard wins here and 10-1 will probably never happen. I will play against the favorite Morning Line, I think this race is too short for him, and I like his half brother better at this distance.

Turf- Al Khali (10-1) America's best hope by a mile. Improving rapidly, looks great physically, should love the surface and the distance. Actually with the way these Euros are talking about being scared of the firm ground I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull the upset here.

Classic- Fly Down (15-1) With Quality Road coming out of the #1 hole the already blistering pace just got even faster. I've said it before and I will say it again, this horse reminds me of Concern.

Monarchos Matt 02 Nov 2010 9:43 PM

Somebody talk me off of Sidnys Candy.

First race on turf sets a new course record and in hand..

This horse is lighting fast 10-1 Coming into the race of a long layoff maybe to avoid the bounce?

Sidneys candy Goldikova Gio tri..

Juvies I like Rougue Romance at a price closer as well.. No way can I bet a chalk favorite in the juvie these damn horses change daily at this age..

Great weekend all come out safe..

RAYRAY 0-1 Z 19-0 LOL

Johnny 02 Nov 2010 9:53 PM

In the sprint Warriors Reward getting a good price 6f may be a furlong to short for him though.

Johnny 02 Nov 2010 9:55 PM

just made some massive changes to my BC picks based on the draw. Wise Dan drew well as did Girolamo. Big Drama has a chance if he can somehow get off the rail. Silver Timber is perfect spot at #5 post. Unzip me is very quick and could surprise wire-wire from #4 post. Don't like goldikova's #10 post. She still has a good chance though because she won it last year with #11 post. Will be using #3 Gio Ponti, #6 Paco Boy and the speedy #9 Sidney's Candy to try to upset the Turf mile Queen. I will be using her with these other three. Not sure that Crown of Thorns can handle the Dirt. Glad to see Morning Line Drew #10 post, this should hurt his chances. Tizway at #2 drew well as did my choice along with tizway, #5 here comes Ben. If Workforce scratches I will go with #8 Dangerous Midge along with #7 Behkabad in the Turf. Finally Zenyatta has a great chance at #8 post. Was going to use Lookin @ lucky until this unlucky post position horse drew the #12 spot. will be using Haynesfield #3 post with an exacta box with Zenyatta. I think Zenyatta or Haynesfield will win the BC Classic. Good luck to all!

joe p 02 Nov 2010 10:15 PM

CLASSIC WILL BE MUSKET MANNNN!! he ran well in last years derby too dont forget...and has never run a bad race...

Emily 02 Nov 2010 10:20 PM

just read the trainers comments about the draw. Dropped Big Drama #1 post. Added Stradivinsky #3 post. Dropped Paco Boy, he won't have his regular jockey aboard. Will still have Gio Ponti, Goldikova and Sidney's Candy in the Turf mile.

joe p. 02 Nov 2010 10:38 PM

Horses that have been running behind European super 2 year old

Frankel have done well in their next start.Klammer who was beaten

10 lengths by him in the Royal Lodge Stakes at Ascot came out to win at a nice price in his next race,and the horse who finished second to him was Dux Scholar who will run in the Breeders Cup Turf Juvenile.He could be worth a look at a good price.

John T 02 Nov 2010 10:41 PM

Forget about long shots in the Classic, the Sprint and the Distaff/Ladies classic.  the winner of these races are coming from the #1 hole ...how much simpler can it get ...the shortest route to the winning post by the respective class horse in each race, Quality Road, Big Drama and Life at Ten.  These three along with Uncle Mo, Vineyard Haven and Sidney's Candy are the "soup" on the Breeder's Cup menu.

Musket Man has been only two lengths inferior to QR all season and should make the frame at a price in the BCC behind QR and Haynesfield.  The Juvenile Fillies is the real head scrather that could produce one of the biggest upsets of the meet.  My favourites are Tell a Kelly, Awesome Feather and AZ Warrior but there are others like Believe in AP and Harlan's Ruby that could surprise.

I like Behkabad to land the Breeder's cup Turf but I have to say that Paddy O'Prado's connection is spurning a very good opportunity of carrying this field from "pilar to post" for the lion's share of 3 million bucks.  I don't see him hitting the board in the BCC.  Big mistake by them IMO.  Interestingly, an impressive performance by Sidney's Candy in the Mile could catapult that one into consideration for the 3YO championship, if Looking At lucky fails to sparkle against the principals in the BCC.

In the F&M Sprint Sara Louise is worth some consideration to upset my prime fancy Informed Decision.

Enjoy.

Ranagulzion 02 Nov 2010 10:53 PM

windy city: haven't seen the red marks on Zens bandages but it's probably red pepper (yes...red pepper !) that is often used to keep horses from ripping the bandages off with (obviously !) their mouths/teeth, etc. Old backstretch trick if memory serves !Draynay: can't you enjoy watching a true champion going out on a winning note and not trying in vain to beat her ! keep your $$ in your pocket ! It's a  shame you're going to end the day BITTER AND BROKE !! Winter Memories into Sarah Louise (yes...in her 2nd start of the year !!) starts a BIG FRIDAY Y'ALL!!! 5-1 on Harmonious (peeking young horse...the light has gone on !!) is going to be stealing ! Reports turf course still rock hard (lots of Euros very upset !)only help !Expect ANOTHER beaut from her and Joel !!

ajlit 03 Nov 2010 12:23 AM

It ain't easy bein' good...come on ! Wesley is an acquaintence of mine but...... you're gonna' have to do better than that !! You say you like chalk ? Bet out on Winter Memories and call it a weekend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ajlit 03 Nov 2010 12:28 AM

Aikenite at 50-1 was bizarro world, and MTB at only 20-1. 50-1 is embarrassing, and incorrect. MTB could have been 50-1 and I wouldn't have been surprised. He has run atrociously this year. I think Aikenite can hit the board, and a win isn't out of the question. I could see Aikenite at 15-1 or 20-1 ML and MTB no lower than 30-1 ML. There are numerous longshots that can win numerous races. There are going to be at least a few monster payouts. Many races are very wide open. I suspect that there are 20+ at 8-1 or higher that have a good shot at winning. 6-1 is not a longshot. 10-1 or higher could be called a longshot. A lot of these ML odds are off and you won't get the prices you think you will, but this is a great time to bet against the overbet chalk. Evening Jewel won't go off at 15-1. About 7-1 is more like it. No chance of getting 8-1 on Red Desire. 4-1 or 5-1 maybe. The favorites are legitimate but many of those races are wide open so why bet on the favorite? Vineyard at 10-1 is based strictly on his last race which was unimpressive, but this is one of the most wide open races. I think he had a good chance to win the sprint, and a chance in the dirt mile but not as good as he would have had in the seemingly weaker sprint. Still, I don't think he'll be as high as 10-1. He'll like the layoff and be ready to run but is he good enough at a mile against these? Could be but he won't be my pick. I do like him and think he is very talented however. I like More Than Real and she has a good shot at winning. Friday-Midday will be the toughest chalk to beat, and Red Desire should end up the second choice. I don't have my picks yet but I doubt if I'll pick more than two ML favorites on both days.

Dr Drunkinbum 03 Nov 2010 12:30 AM

THAT DIRT MILE DOUBLE PAY OFF WILL BEE HEAVY HAVEN @ NITE...ty...

Bellwether 03 Nov 2010 2:01 AM

Mine That Bird will redeem himself in the DM despite the idiotic way Lukas has managed him. He needs to retire (and I am not talking about the horse).  

gammyp6 03 Nov 2010 2:50 AM

I still think Paddy O'Prado has zero chance to even hit the board in the Classic.  He could have contended for the win in the Turf, what a bad call it was to put him in the Classic.

Musket Man is still the best longshot to blow up the Classic exotics at a price.

Livesoutwest 03 Nov 2010 4:56 AM

Marathon – Giant Oak

Filly & Mare Sprint – Moontune Missy

Filly & Mare Turf – Shared Account

Juvenile Fillies Turf – Nina Fever

Sprint – Supreme Summit

Turf Sprint – Quick Enough

Dirt Mile – Mine That Bird

Classic – Pleasant Prince

Coldfacts 03 Nov 2010 6:11 AM

All the folks who act like dirt is consistent and fair obviously didnt pay attention to the last Breeders Cup at CD, where every single dirt race for two days except the Classic, the last race on the second day, was won by horses right on the rail. What a travesty if history has to judge these great horses on results from a heavily biased dirt track, and a turf course that seems to be coming apart with every stride the horses working on it are taking.CDs track  super is now playing catch up putting 100,000 gallons of water per day on the main track, 5x the normal amount. In the end, they may go too far and leave it biased in favor of closers! Either way, the real longshot for this years BC seems to be having a dirt and turf surface that doesnt create false results.

Let It Ride Mike 03 Nov 2010 6:35 AM

Longshots: Here Comes Ben, Pleasant Prince, Smiling Tiger, but use Kinsale King in the Sprint too, New Normal, and the shot of the day...MURJAN in the Juvenile. This horse is a two-year old that beat older horses in a two-turn mile in Peru on a heavy track. Two-year olds in the US don't even run against older. Murjan has to be mighty strong.Uncle Mo, BAT and Murjan will make for a good trifecta box.

JPHORSE 03 Nov 2010 7:27 AM

Haynesfield!!! Ramon Dominguez had commited to this horse over Gio Ponti(2nd to Zenyatta last year) had he run in the Classic. in his last race won wasily over Blame, and like the announcer call in the final strech of his prep race  "Dominguez is like a statue on the horse" boy am i glad i got him at 20-1 in advance wagering...

francisco 03 Nov 2010 7:33 AM

Thanks again Jason for your observations, I am looking at Unvialed Belle in the Ladies Classic, does she rate your view in that race? Price should be nice.

Don

Don from PA/DE 03 Nov 2010 7:37 AM

Go Danny Go in the sprint

granny64 03 Nov 2010 8:24 AM

Longshots?

Who can tell until they Post.

Bataglia morning lines are disgraceful at best. I can't believe some of the lines this guy made. Morning Line will be the 3rd betting choice or lower at post.

Uncle Mo 7/5 in a 2yo race, gimme a break.

Why does CD keep this guy around?

WinnahPickah 03 Nov 2010 8:56 AM

Jason,

I agree completely with your longshots in the Sprint and Classic. Paddy may not win, but he'll be attractive odds and he obviously likes Churchill.... likewise Atta Boy. He has speed to spare and may steal the Sprint. Plus, as you noted, Calvin helps.

Vineyard drew a wide post but maybe won't be too bad in a one turn mile.

Scary, but I have to agree with Draynay re Zenyatta's odds. I like the horse, but expect her to be longer... at 8-5 it sure seems like an underlay.

OLD TIMER 03 Nov 2010 9:19 AM

Vince, we are trying very hard to rebuild our distance dirt division, which had been destroyed by the 1980s, thank you NYRA. We have been breeding for speed for several decades now so it will be a process of several years before we get our marathon division back up to par.

One problem is trainers who don't recognize a Marathon candidate when they have one. Like D. Wayne Lukas, who thinks Mine That Bird wants a mile! When he should be looking at the Marathon for him. And I would have thought that Brass Hat, a winner of the 12f turf stake at Kee last week but previously a dirt star, would have been a natural fit.

Pedigree Ann 03 Nov 2010 9:30 AM

I don't see Paddy as a dirt horse. In my eyes, he perfroms better on turf. I do like Champagne D'Oro. Her efforts this year have been amazing. Now,Zenyatta, I want her to win, but I can see Lucky or Quality Road Giving her a run for her Money. Mike Smith likes to move her to lste in the race, causing her to win by small margins. If Mike just lets her run full out on the hime stretch, i think we will see someting amazing.

ZenyattaForMe 03 Nov 2010 9:38 AM

Draynay is someone who places bets, I'm sure not a successful one. He is certainly not a horseman judging from his comments.  Every $2 better has an opinion and that is what it is worth.  If Draynay had bet Queen Z in her last 19 starts he would have money to play at the Breeder Cup races. Good luck Z win or lose you are a great champion.

quarterhossgal 03 Nov 2010 9:47 AM

Best bet of the day: Soldat

Yamil 03 Nov 2010 10:16 AM

Your right DrayNay ZENYATTA will be getting dirt kicked in her face for a 1 3/16. Quality road will have a lot deal with on the front end. if i was pletcher i would have went the dirt mile. but horse racing is all about value of stallions.a classic win ups his value, common math.

thegreatholybull 03 Nov 2010 10:24 AM

I thought Plumania would go in the Turf instead.  Didn't run a lick in the Arc.  If Fabre is sending her she must have a chance, but the 1 hole is not the best.  She is decent odds though for the FM Turf.  Worth a gamble.

Footlick 03 Nov 2010 10:35 AM

Mine That Bird ? Are you people out of you mind ?  If he was the ONLY horse in the dirt mile he couldn't win it.  I am going to be taking a lot of stupid money on Friday and Saturday Jason.

Draynay 03 Nov 2010 11:07 AM

For all you Zenyatta fans I hope she is bet down to 4 to 5 due to all your 2 dollar win tickets.  They will remind you forever of the mistake you made thinking Zenyatta could beat males on dirt.  Let me know what you decide to do with those win tickets after the race.

Draynay 03 Nov 2010 11:11 AM

This is why I have been waiting for the post position draw.  Anyone who claimed QR as the winner now have to look at the post position and jump on to other wagons...huh Draynay LOL.

There's going to be a lot of races, my advice, pick a few and study stick with them.  No sense in playing all the races.  You have a better shot at hitting a winner :)

I'm not playing the Classic except with the P6 and P4s.  I'm betting the Juvy (with Jaycito at a juicyto price), the marathon, the mile, the ladies classic and one other one I haven't decided on.

Ranagulzion : Do you honestly believe that QR stands a chance from the 1 hole ?  Come on now man, with all the speed, he might even get trapped inside if he doesn't get out quick enough.  He's never been that far off the pace in all his races, he doesn't have a closing speed.  He'll have to gun it as soon as the gate starts if he wants to hit the board.  Don't listen to me though, bet the farm on QR!! :)

jayjay 03 Nov 2010 11:14 AM

I could see Sara Louise, Theysken's Theory, Biondetti and JP's Gusto as viable longshots also.  I think Valenzuela will be determined to get a win and will give him one of his best rides.  Valenzuela can get horses home.

Footlick 03 Nov 2010 11:23 AM

If the rider can keep Jaycito focused, I think he takes the Juv. He was goofing off running down the stretch in his last right and he's good size, people will over estimate the synthetic to dirt factor. Can't bet the ranch on a horse that just one won race other than his maiden (sorry Mo).

I'll take First Dude as an upset in the Classic. I think he's been trying to improve but they ran him too much...he's been off since the end of Sept and his number may finally be due...DUDE! Although he has a hard time coming in before Fly Down...Fly Down is worth a ticket too...

GoldenBroom 03 Nov 2010 11:43 AM

Here are a few longshots that I like;

Sprint: Wise Dan/Kinsale King

Juvenile Turf: Utely

Juvenile Fillies: Delightful Mary

Juvenile: Murjan

Dirt Mile: Thiskyhasnolimit

Juvenile Fillies Turf: New Normal

Turf: Champ Pegasus

Filly & Mare Sprint: Gabby's Golden Gal

I'm not saying that I will pick any of these horses to win, but I do think that they are capable of outrunning their odds.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 03 Nov 2010 12:33 PM

I think there will be an upset in the Classic--this is an excellent field--Zenyetta will place or show by daylight but I'm not betting her to win this one. One reason is because there is no "bad" post at Churchill Downs, unlike some tracks. Secondly, don't dismiss Zelazquez as a jockey--Quality Road should be the winner and HOY but he is Pletcher's horse and that's one count against him, poor fellow, along with the fact that even though Pletcher says QR is gate ready, he is unpredictable and extremely highstrung plus has the distinction of being the only horse in history to be scratched at the gate at the BC (last year). I pray there's no shin-an-igans allowed in the paddock like there was in Z's last race where a horse was spooked and scratched which was blamed on Z fans. I believe Churchill has more class than to allow that to happen. The shame of it was heard race-world wide. I'm glad the BC is at Churchill. MY FAVES ARE BLAME AND FLY DOWN AND LONGSHOT PRADDY OPRADO even though he's best on the turf. In any and all cases, may the angels in heaven and the great racehorses of all time that have come before them bless them all and "race" with them down the tracks and keep all these fab horses, because they are all fabulous in their own right, in all the BC races, safe and sound. Good luck everyone!

PaddyOPrado 03 Nov 2010 12:34 PM

The red on Queen Z's wraps is more than likely some sort of Cribox...she might be one to snack on her bandages.

Christina 03 Nov 2010 12:51 PM

quarterhossgal,

in draynay's case his opinion is worth -$1.98 per $2.00 bet since he's wrong almost every single time.

gw_bushwacker 03 Nov 2010 12:51 PM

Johnny,

Sidney's Candy did not set the record in hand by any means. He was full out. You want to be talked off of him? Here you go. Coming off a long layoff, facing older & G1 turf horses on a course he has not looked good over in the AM. Oh yea, he missed his prep race b/c of a pending sale that is still going on.

Your welcome. =)

The Rock 03 Nov 2010 12:57 PM

Jason,

Oh gosh. Steve Haskin's has put Red Desire as his top pick for the BC. Granted I think he picked every horse in the field in each race as his pick, but he zero'd in on this one. Looks like Kent D. will retain the mount......cheese n rice.....

Here's a longshot play. Banned (10-1) in the juvy turf. I'm good friends with exercise rider and we spoke yesterday about him. He's coming out of his skin right now and he's never been tested and can handle any course condition. She says they haven't gotten to the bottom of him yet and is the best thing she's ever been on in the Proctor yard. In a wide open race like this, and also his ability to lay anywhere, could be worth a play. Sad part about it is, I watched the TVG & HRTV coverage yesterday, and it looks like he's not much of a sleeper. Nearly the whole panel between both networks picked him. 10-1 might be cut in half, but there's some inside info on him. Well see how far that goes on Saturday.

The Rock 03 Nov 2010 1:02 PM

1.  Zenyatta

2.  Lookin at Lucky

3.  Fly Down

4.  Quality Road

Householder 03 Nov 2010 1:28 PM

Zenyatta's red wraps are from doing Easter eggs and mixing Bloody Marys.  She's a smart horse.

Ted from LA 03 Nov 2010 1:43 PM

Jason I just read the article about how much Zenyatta loves the dirt and how good she is training.  So when she gets whipped and whipped good guess how many people are going to blame Mike Smith?  The smart thing to do for some of you is to bet big on LAL to Show.  When Zenyatta doesn't hit the board Show bets will pay off big time.  Listen to me and get paid.

Draynay 03 Nov 2010 1:46 PM

my long shot of the day will be grand adventure in the turf sprint!!

no 1 fan 03 Nov 2010 1:54 PM

Jay Jay, FYI. The inside was very favorable to horses in 2006 at CD in the B.C

Street Sense won from 1 as well as

Dreaming of Anna

Thor's Echo

Round Pond

There were only 8 races that weekend at CD, and three were on turf, so 4 out of the 5 Breeder's Cup races were won by the horse in the 1 position on dirt. The other race was Invasor, who was going to win from any post that day.

Anyone who claim's QR is a loser just b/c he got an inside draw may be sad on Saturday

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 1:55 PM

it sprinkled today in Louisville. Maybe that will soften the track?

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 2:08 PM

I am really enjoying this Breeders Cup week. There are so many excellent horses running.  

I like your thinking Householder I have maintained all along that whatever race she shows up in Evening Jewel cannot be discounted

Z looks ready, getting over the surface fine.  All closers eat some dirt DRAY. I remember how workmanlike Blame seemed coming at and just catching QR all covered w dirt while the nut case (that’s right the nutcase) was easing off prematurely all clean.  

QR has had some mental issues, and I'm glad team Pletcher finally put some foundation time into this amazingly talented but mentally fragile horse.  Still IMO he has some mental issues that may surface in the pressure of this kind of race. I'm sorry he drew the 1 - it gives and excuse but also exacerbates what I’m talking about here.  

I said earlier Francisco that Haynesfield may be the real one the 19 AND 0 phenomena may have to chase. He's done nothing wrong really and if he brings his best speed out we could really see something in the stretch.  

Blame is oddly the 2nd choice over QR and LAL Personally I think this race must just be thrown out for predicting reasonable odds as it’s full of sentimentality.

Blame is a fine horse but immature - I think he will make a terrific older G 1 horse if handled right but the 3 year olds this year are late bloomers.

I love this colt - LAL. He is sharp as a drill sergeants tongue right now and an increasingly gritty SOB I like him more as the track goes off a bit - Ya never know when it will rain in the east - over Paddy even who I still maintain would rather have turf these days.

So for Long price in the classic, I prefer the Haynesfield or LAL 2nd or 3rd as Z shows us the NEXT gear.  

It’s conceivable to me that the classic finish may go something like this:

Z by 3/4 body length catching - LAL by 1/2 over Haynesfield, in 3rd fading but still by a length over the boxed in fractious and tired QR in 5th - passed by 1/2 by Blame flying to be 4th.

Zen's Auntie 03 Nov 2010 2:17 PM

Zen's Auntie. Blame is 4.

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 2:29 PM

Interesting picks for "long shot" chances, but the Queen " Z " will reign at Churchill for sure, forget about Paddy ! I do think Wise Dan has a good chance along with, Vineyard Haven, but I also like Crown of Thorns, Tell A Kelly, and if any horse can upset Goldikova, it's "Gio Ponti". GO USA, Go GIO PONTI, Beat the Euro's  !

Monty 03 Nov 2010 2:34 PM

OOOO I have been hyping haynesfield for a month now. Mike R jump on the bandwagon buddy. Hey draynay there is still room for the Haynesfield bandwagon. Once you guys open up the DRF form you will realize that haynesfield is the winner of this race. He is 5 out of 6 and has a top jock and only lost becuase he bused through the gate. 12-1 what a joke... you guys can keep talking about other horses but Hayensfield is your winner! Tri box Zen, Haynesfield, LAL and Pleasant Prince. $24=$3000. Who wants free money??

In aint easy being good! 03 Nov 2010 2:44 PM

by steve haskins today

Lookin’ Good

Anyone who hasn’t seen Lookin At Lucky since the Triple Crown is going to be in for a big surprise when they see the colt now. A late May foal, he has had a growth spurt since then, having grown three inches in the last five or six months, and has put on a great deal of muscle. In short, he looks magnificent.

One galloper who caught the eye this morning was Haynesfield, who looked very strong and was striding out beautifully. With Morning Line out of the Classic, that probably leaves Haynesfield as the controlling speed. The way he’s improved and the way he looked on the track today, he may take them farther than most people think.

dismiss Steve Asmussen at your own peril with this speedy colt, he will jump up and bite you.

ColderFacts 03 Nov 2010 3:13 PM

I wish the connections of Mine That Bird would lower their sights a little bit and not enter him in a race of this caliber-he doesn't have a chance off his current form.

I do like Musket Man as a long shot.

Jeff R. 03 Nov 2010 3:25 PM

for all those who keep saying Paddy O'Prado is strictly a turf horse, the last time we saw him in Louisville, he was finishing ahead of 17 other pretty decent colts at CD at 1 1/4 miles. He only missed second in the Kentucky Derby by a nose.

OLD TIMER 03 Nov 2010 3:31 PM

Quality Road - Haynesfield exacta in the Classic (for the umteenth time).

Air Support in the Juvenile Turf also.

Ranagulzion 03 Nov 2010 4:10 PM

Almost every race this year offers at least one intriguing longshot play. When I saw Aikenite at 50-1 I thought it was a typo...LOL. How often do you get the top rated trainer and second rated jockey at that price?

Giddyup 03 Nov 2010 4:44 PM

besides LAT and Blind Luck, who do you take on the bottom? Harve de Grace, the 3yo that has been carrying feathery weights and battling Luck, or Unrivaled Belle, Mott's horse who beat Rachel last time on this course? Maybe Malibu Prayer, off a long layoff, 1 for 1 at CD and 1st and 2nd at 2 tries at distance. IMO, 2 horse race. There is money to be made on Tri's this weekend. Need to ignore the odds and just trust your gut.

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 4:46 PM

Sprint: Wise Dan/Kinsale King king looks good, has quuestion marks

agree on Wise Dan

Juvenile Turf: Utely agree on Utley

Juvenile Fillies: Delightful Mary Agree on Mary

Juvenile: Murjan not agree

Dirt Mile: Thiskyhasnolimit not agree way too much talent in race

Juvenile Fillies Turf: New Normal agree

Turf: Champ Pegasus in over head

Filly & Mare Sprint: Gabby's Golden Gal will lead and come up short

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 4:49 PM

Kathmanblu is in perfect spot. Get the jump on Winter Memories and run off. Have to watch New Normal on front end with lead, could play catch me if you can. Hannon has a shot also with the 2 Tale Untold, 1st time lasix, closing last two at 7 furlongs, strecthing out to a mile. together has best back class, 1st time lasix, but post is a hinderance.

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 4:56 PM

turf sprint stat. Spring meet, 25 races, 44% of inside horses won these races, 44%!!! that is huge rail bias

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 4:57 PM

Rock, good info on Banned. All of the TVG folk picked him tho damit! Under rated trainer in Proctor on turf. Keertana is a must watch on CD turf...

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2010 4:59 PM

pedigree ann

I agree with you. the 1m6f race is a good idea. it is just the consistently poor turn out for the race. I assume breeders would run a mile if they saw a potential sire won over 1m6f. it's a shame. we have quite a few dynaformer horses over here and cryptoclearance, both get good stamina.

I was also amazed to see mine that bird in the mile. what did the nyra do? scrap all the  

Vince 03 Nov 2010 5:02 PM

If you like Haynesfield (and I do), I think the best bet in the Classic is Haynesfield to Place, based on his 12-1 M/L.  Okay, I'm not expecting to get that, but let's say you get 8-1.  Zenyatta will probably be 2-1.

So bet $100 on Zenyatta to Win at 2-1 and you win about $200 if she wins.

Bet $20 on Haynesfield to Win (in case he gets away) and $80 to Place.  Your $80 Place bet wins about $240.  Your $20 Win bet wins about $160.  So you get back twice as much as on your Win bet on Zenyatta if Haynesfield happens to win, but you still win 20% more than a win bet on Z, even if she nails him in the stretch but he holds on for second.

Livesoutwest 03 Nov 2010 5:16 PM

Quality on the rail, Haynesfield in the three, then the Japanese horse drawn outside--there's pace in there, and with Quality down there it seems like there may be a chase for the lead--my deep longshot is Fly Down, I love the three year olds and Zenyatta/Blame: Fly Down, Lookin At Lucky, and Pleasant Prince with Rosario, the strongest finishing jock on the planet--if Quality Road emerges with the early lead, look out for the closers...Usual QT in the turf mile, Unzip Me all the way in the turf sprint, and Smiling Tiger, and Switch, and Jaycito--all Cali horses/all a decent price--bestest Cali group in BC History! Both miles are deep! Mandella's holding an ace--Crown Of Thorns is a load! But that race came up tough! So did the sprint, Smiling Tiger is a TRUE 6 fur horse! Stalks, pounces, opens up--holds them off--ca-ching, and maybe 5, 6-1! And Unzip me is ALL YA NEED at 5 fur over grass--Cal-Bred speed is the BEST speed! Single her and thank me later! Classic is not so deep, but there's talent at the top!  Zenyatta is loaded for bear/so is Lookin At Lucky--The mile has about as strong a field as they ever have had--The Usual QT, by Unusual Heat, seeks to show the world just how good a son of Unusual Heat can be--I love his chances to hit the board with the great Goldikova--I will paly him underneath the great mare, and I will also play QT on top, straight win! Gonna get some great prices on Cali talent/gonna jump right in! Will play Zenyatta, on top of Lucky and Fly Down, Unzip Me, Switch, Smiling Tiger across the board....Jaycito boxed with MoMo and on top, to win! I have heard about Uncle Mo--I am looking forward to seeing him--I love Jaycito, 'think he's the real deal--in other words, just another crackerjack of a race this weekend! Proviso got a bad draw, still, her, as well as Blind Luck, have an outside shot at HOY--any of FOUR horses in the Classic can win HOY--that's what it's all about, I cannot think of a better Breeders Cup, capped by the big question--can Zenyatta come through, in her only race vs older males on dirt? Princessnesian, in 1968 Hollywood Gold Cup--the last female to defeat older males on dirt, at 1 1/4...she'll need pace, that's where the Japanese horse comes in--she should get pace--she'll have one chance--one race vs older males on dirt--she'll need to get it right--I mean, does it get any better that this?

Matthew W 03 Nov 2010 5:59 PM

I like VH for the win,also Blind Luck

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2010 6:02 PM

BILLY'S EMPIRE

QR will be a loser come Saturday,cause he should be in the Mile instead,also post one leaves him out of luck.

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2010 6:04 PM

Draynay you're a bitterman--too bad! I've lost almost everytime Zenyatta has raced--she takes the bitter pill of losing out of the whole process--you look at her like a sheet of paper--two-dimentional--too bad! All over, you can see the signs, the ears pricking in the deep stretch are a tip off of things to come--would it be so bad for you, pray tell, if she were to win big?

Matthew W 03 Nov 2010 6:06 PM

DRAYNAY

Are you still on the QR bandwagon,cause I get confused how quickly you are on and off a horse. Guess you will spin and say post one is a great for QR. lol

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2010 6:06 PM

I have said from the word "go" that LAL is the one she has to beat. He's bigger and stronger. He comes from behind. Colderfacts, ITA about Haynesfield as well. He is under the radar but shouldn't be. The field this year is incredible.

On another note, Jerry Moss is saying they have made no decision to retire Zenyatta and breed her. I know that will upset a few of you Grinchs :).

Paula Higgins 03 Nov 2010 6:20 PM

I guess Pletcher said running down Quality Road won't be like running down Switch-- Todd Pletcher HOPES Quality Road has as much steam as Switch did--she drafted behind on the rail, moved over and pounced--same trip she had when she beat (easily) Blind Luck--No, every race is different, Zenyatta has found herself behind some real tough gals, this year--St Trinians would (probably) win the Ladies Classic, maybe Big Z has lost a step--or maybe (probably) Pletcher has got it wrong--face it, there have been many doubters about Zenyatta--I think (maybe) Pletcher works for people who like to hear him state things to that effect--we live in a political world...that's why I love Baffert--he can see the difference/he's a trainer/AND a lover of the game--when he watches Zenyatta train/race/go through her various compulsive disorders--he is a lover of the game, a fan, just like I am--Zenyatta reduces us all to fans--well, almost all of us....

Matthew W 03 Nov 2010 6:27 PM

The smart thing to do for some of you is to bet big on LAL to Show.

Draynay 03 Nov 2010 1:46 PM

I knew it!! draynay's one of those bridge jumpers who bets big money to show. That's where all my change for the laundrymat went to.  

draynay's better half 03 Nov 2010 6:31 PM

thank you Billy of course he is he still seems immature to me I forgot when thinking about LAL that Blame was 4 - and I think he still will be better and more consistent.

Zen's Auntie 03 Nov 2010 6:45 PM

Matthew W, I agree and think Switch and St. Trinians would have beat some of the boys out there. They were no walkovers. ITA about Pletcher. Although I think he is a nice guy, I think he tends to talk his horses up for the benefit of the owners. Baffert and Sherriffs are quieter about it. You have to love Baffert. He is a nice guy and he calls it like he sees it. He's also a hoot-very funny. John Sherriffs is one of these totally real and genuine people. A thoroughly nice man. He wouldn't know how to be a politician if he tried. I mean that as a compliment. He is reserved and I have no problem with that because when he does say something, he isn't just blowing hot air.

Paula Higgins 03 Nov 2010 7:48 PM

I am all in on Quality Road for the win the only dollars that won't be on him for the win will be the 100$ box I do with LAL.  I will also be betting BAT big.  He is a sure thing as far as I am concerned.  Zenyatta will not beat LAL and I have a hard time believing she can beat MusketMan.  I see no path for her to hit the board.  By the time she gets to running the race will be over.

Draynay 03 Nov 2010 7:50 PM

Not sure you could take the spring meet stats and apply them to the BC.  The track doesn't necessarily play the same spring and fall.

Footlick 03 Nov 2010 8:03 PM

I take it back on Evening Jewel. She could easily go of at 15-1 or higher. The F&M sprint is one of the toughest races. I'm seeing nines horses that could win it, Jewel is one of them but not in the upper echelon.

Dr Drunkinbum 03 Nov 2010 8:04 PM

Here are my longshots for Breeders cup

Marathon: Precision Break

Juvenlle Fillie Turf: More Than Real

F&M Sprint: Sara Louise

Juvenille Fillies: Awesoem Feather

F&M Turf: Red Desire

Ladies Classic: Unrivaled Belle

Saturday

Juvenile Turf: Soldat

Sprint: Atta Boy Roy

Turf Sprint: Central City

Juvenile:No one

Dirt Mile:Mad Flatter

Turf: Debussy

Classic:Espoir City(real longshot)

rjppdp 03 Nov 2010 8:55 PM

Paula, what boys would St. Trinians have beaten?  I can't think of many in the Classic, based on her performance against them in the Big Cap.  The fact that she finished close to Zenyatta doesn't make her nearly as good as Zenyatta.  St. Trinians is great for a mare, and that's as far as it goes.  Zenyatta is great for any type of horse you want to name.

Jerry Moss's comments make me think they're at least toying with the idea of the Dubai World Cup before sending her off to the breeding shed.  I think it would be great, I think she would love that Tapeta surface. Though part of it is probably that he doesn't want to paint himself into a corner like last year.  I'm thinking though, that his comments are more likely a fallback just in case she doesn't win the Classic, to leave open the possibility of having her go out a winner in another huge race.  I'm thinking if she does win the Classic, she's done.

Livesoutwest 03 Nov 2010 9:06 PM

Look no farther in the classic because it is redemption time for Quality Road .    If Quality road runs back to the Donn Handicap time of 147. and change then he wins the classic.   pulling away and winning by 12 lengths at a mile and a eighth then it will be 20 lengths that he wins by at a mile and a quarter.

Quality Road 03 Nov 2010 9:12 PM

DRAYNAY

By the time the race is over,you won't have money to"fuel up your jet". Remember if Zenyatta wins you said months ago you will say she's the greatest since Ghostzapper. Or will that be another broken promise?

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2010 9:12 PM

Dr. D,

Agree on the value you can get on Evening Jewel. Could be a huge overlay, even though I think she could be tailing off.

Here's a decent longshot play in the BC Sprint on Saturday. Check out the form on Hamazing Destiny. Of course you see that he hasn't raced against G1 company yet and his biggest claim to fame is a classified Optional Claimer for $65k. But look at his form on the CD dirt. 2 for 4 with a second with one OTB (which occured in the slop, toss). In one of his wins he beyer'd 107, which fits right in this group and in his second win he beat Captain Cherokee, a useful horse in his own right for Asmussen. In his second place finish going 7f's in the Kelly's Landing, he got nailed on the line by Here Comes Ben, one of the fave's for the Dirt Mile. Highest speed rating at CD with a 98 (13 variant, which means the track wasn't lightning fast). Comes off a 1:08 4/5 at Deleware which doesn't usually play fast. Seems to step way up on the CD dirt. Breaking from the 4 hole and getting potential odds around 40-1, could be a decent across the board play.  Especially given that Big Drama, who was my pick till he drew post 1 & Giralomo drew poorly. Gets Rosario for Lukas. Brilliant work on the 19th. Could make some noise in a wide open race and weak division given the defections of Discreetly Mine & Majestic Perfection.

The Rock 03 Nov 2010 10:18 PM

       I have my picks for the Breeders Cup , Good Luck for All :)

BC Juv - Boy's at Toscanova, Long Shot - Murjan

BC Juv Turf - Biondetti,

Long Shot- Soldat

BC Juv Fillies - AZ Warrior, Long Shot -Theyskens'Theory

BC Juv Filly Turf - Together (IRE ) Long Shot -New Normal , Theyskens' Theory if she goes on turf .

BC Marathon -Prince Will I Am, Long Shot-Eldaafer

BC Filly And Mare Sprint - Unrivaled Belle  , Long Shot -Secret Gypsy.

BC Filly and Mare Turf - Harmonious Long Shot - Miss Keller

BC Ladies Classic - Evening Jewel Long Shot Havre De Grace

BC Mile Turf -Gio Ponti , Long Shot Court Vision

BC Dirt Mile - Tizway  Long Shot , Here Comes Ben

BC Turf Sprint -Chamberlain Bridge  Long Shot, Tropic Storm

BC Sprint - Girolamo Long Shot -Warrior's Reward .

BC Turf - Workforce (GB) Long Shot -Champ Pegasus

Finally , The one we,ve all been WAITING for........Zenyatta !  I think if anyone of these could take her down it would be .... Blame ! Good Luck to all :)

Pedigree Shelly 03 Nov 2010 10:41 PM

Billy's Empire : It's 2010, QR is not running in 2006, he's running in this year's Classic.  He's one dimensional, he needs to be up front, we'll see if luck is on his side come Saturday.  Johnny V needs to gun him out of there and hopefully don't get him buried inside.  QR is not in the same level as Invasor.

jayjay 03 Nov 2010 10:43 PM

Isn’t easy being good,

I love Pleasant Prince as a BCC long shot as well. His sire did not win the BCC. In fact his sire was unraced. There are a lot of stories going into the BCC and the Zenyatta story no doubt supersedes all.  However, I think the Pleasant Prince story is extremely interesting. Prior to the Florida Derby I touted this colt. I wagered heavily when I saw 25-1 and I remain convinced that Julian’s complacency in last jumps to the line allowed Ice Box to regain the advantage. His connection tried desperately to get into the Kentucky Derby. However, the frequency of the race to secure the necessary earnings took it tool. He has rebounded nicely and I think he has a great chance of upsetting. Consider this for a story:  His sire Indy King was  $2.2M  unraced son of A.P Indy that currently stands for $2000. His unraced dame was sired by Pleasant Tap. Pleasant Tap defeated A.P. Indy in the 1992 Jockey Club Gold Cup. His time of 1:58.95 was the fastest for a 10F JCGC. This time was subsequently bettered by Skip Away who recorded a time of 1:58.89.  A. P. Indy returned in the 1992 BCC to defeat Pleasant Tap who finished second. A. P. Indy’s BCC victory sealed the HOY title. If Pleasant Tap had won he would have been HOY. Eighteen year after these two talented horses that traded defeats/victories, are associated with two unraced horses that have teamed up to produce a contender in the same race that decided the 1992 HOY between them.  Pleasant prince is the horse best bred in the BCC field to effectively stay 10F.

Consider these facts:

His Grandsire A. P. Indy recorded the second fastest time for the 12F Belmont in the last 20 years. (2:26.15)

His grand dam sire Pleasant Tap is one of handful horses that have broken the 1:59 mark for 10F (1:58.89)

Mr. Ramsey paid the $100,000 to nominate him for the Classic.

His trainer states that he  is working lights out.

A colt whose unraced sire stands for $2000 with an unraced dame is certainly not the type of horse one expects win the richest race in the US. A look beyond the sire and dame will reflect a power house of speed and stamina provided by old rivals one who in no longer with us. Wouldn’t a Pleasant Prince victory  be a fitting way to say good bye to Pleasant Tap.

NB: 1954 Kentucky Derby winner Determined was the product of an unraced sire and dame. In horses many things are possible

Coldfacts 03 Nov 2010 11:16 PM

QR training up to the race...not the way to win the Classic.  What was his last 3F last time 38 secs?  It seemed slooooww.  Pace factor then Haynesfield takes charge at 8F in 1:36. My money will be on horses that pass others at this point.  Mostly LAL, Z, and Blame...my longshot would be Haynesfield to skip away and not be caught by these.  Turf shots Debussy, Winchester, and tuff trip Al Khali will be on my pick 4. Also shots Proviso and The Usual QT.

cat thief 03 Nov 2010 11:55 PM

Great Two Year Old Races:  Longshots:  Juvie Turr:  Air Support - and Juvie Dirt: Biondetti, Stay Thirsty, Rogue Romance - frankly, I love all the Bernardinis, they are running now and wait till next spring!!

Dirt mile:  Tizway/Skyhasnolimit exactas.

Not exactly a long shot:  Blame/Lucky exacta in the Breeder's Cup.  Zito's horse can hit the board.

skyfire 03 Nov 2010 11:56 PM

Some cold facts, extrapolated/projected times and crazy conclusions:

Based on the times that have been recorded in BCCs contested at Churchill Downs any horse from the leading pack that can record a time below 2:02 should win handily. Tiznow hold the record for best time for a BCCs contested at CD (2:00.75) Quality Road has been defeated at 10F twice in times of 2:02.51(JCGC) and 2:02.83(Travers) Haynesfield recorded a time of 2:02.48 in the 2010 (JCGC) Fly Down was second and First Dude third in the Travers run in 2:03.28. Fly Down and Blame were beaten by Haynesfiel in 2:02.48

Zenyatta recorded a time of 2:00.62 in the 2009 BCC. The BCC times recorded at SA are approximately two seconds faster than those recorded at CD. If Zenyatta 2009 winning time is adjusted by this differential she would be expected to record at minimum a time of 2:02.62. This projected time would only better the winning time of 1991 winner Black Tie Affair who won from gate to wire. It is interesting to note that the best time recorded at CD was done by a horse that led into the first turn. The average winning time for BCC winners closing from off the pace at CD is 2:02 and fractions. The Alysheba BCC is excluded because it was contested on a CD track that was off.

I do not see Quality Road, Hanesfield, Fly Down, Blame, Zenyatta, Paddy O Prado, First Dude or LAL capable of running 10F in less than 2:02 and fractions. My conclusion is based on the actual or extrapolated times associated with them for the distance. With eight eliminated the three remaining horse are the ones most likely to break the 2:02 barrier. Etched has a recorded 1:45 and fractions for 9F. If he runs his best race he is capable of 2:01 and change or better. He is expected to be close to the pace. Espoir City will be up with the leaders a position that has produced the best time to date at CD. He is an unknown quantity but if he runs back to his Japan Cup form he is capable of the magic mark. This brings me to Pleasant Prince. His grandsire A P Indy won the Belmont in 2:26 and change the best time in the last 20 years. He also won the BCC in 2:00.20. His grand dam sire Pleasant Tap won the JCGC in 1:58.95 second fastest time for the distance. He was second to AS P Indy in the BCC. His sire and dame were unraced consequently my focus on his grandparents. He is ideally bred for 10F, In his last race (Oklahoma Derby,9F) he recorded a time of 1:48 and fractions. He is a rapidly improving colt that should be capable of running his last furlong in 13 to take him to the projected winning time of 2:01 and fractions or better.

Coldfacts 04 Nov 2010 12:28 AM

One "loooooong shot", not many will even consider(except for me), is Dangerous Midge in the turf. I know it sounds crazy, what with Workforce looking all too much for the others to handle, but remember, no winner of the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe has ever won the BC Turf. The one historical thing that Workforce does have going for him, he is trained by Michael Stoute, trainer of 4 BC Turf winners.

I am going for the upset here, and what an upset it will be. I am not sure what the connections of Workforce are trying to do with their big show of concern about the turf surface at Churchill, but I think this probably is just a bunch of show before the race so that when Workforce loses they will have their excuse already out there. One horse though that will likely just "Loooove" the surface at Churchill is Dangerous Midge. Lookout if you have already dismissed this colts chances here. Trainer Brian Meehan (remember his Red Rocks won the Turf at Churchill), said of Dangerous Midge, " He loves going left-handed and he loves firm ground". Did you hear that, loves left handed, loves firm ground, this from a trainer who knows what it takes to win at Churchill. Meehan has also said that he has been eyeing this race since spring. So this is not some half-cocked entry just to run a horse in the Breeder's Cup, but this has been a long range goal to WIN THIS RACE.

You want a long shot? Well there you go, GOOD LUCK! I don't know  Mademoiselle Mondatta(poster here ) , who also called this longshot, but she is obviously someone who knows her ponies.

predict 04 Nov 2010 1:36 AM

The needle is stuck in a groove. Someone smack Draynay.

Fuzzy Corgi 04 Nov 2010 1:43 AM

Does Get Stormy have any chance in the mile(T) at all? I've always loved this horse, but just can't see it, even though I want to make him my longshot. Shouldn't a longshot be a horse that we think has a chance of winning? Shoot, I'm going with him anyway, Get Stormy, a true longshot for the Mile.

predict 04 Nov 2010 2:24 AM

Draynay you wouldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat. What a hater, nothing you ever say makes any sense. Certainly not a true lover of horses or a fan. A rebel rouser in the purest form.

On a nicer note, I like Forever Together at a price in the filly &mare turf, Midday will be tough though. Maybe this old mare will have one more big race in her.

Telling in the Turf has an outside shot at hitting the board as well.

Good luck to all.........

The Deacon 04 Nov 2010 3:14 AM

Longshots to watch:

Delightful Mary morning lined at 8/1 in the Juvenille Fillies

Red Desire morning lined at 8/1 in the F&M Turf

Rose Catherine morning lined at 6/1 in the Turf Sprint

Thiskyhasnolimit morning lined at 10/1 in the Dirt Mile

I believe all of these will be in the mix. Don't leave them off you exotic tickets.

Good luck to all the bloggers who put their money where there mouth is except draynay. Enjoy the culmination of a career of one of the best ever.  

the_wiz 04 Nov 2010 9:59 AM

Footlick, only three turf sprints were run in the fall, not a large enough sample size to analyze. In the spring, they ran 25 turf sprints. Also, the Matt Winn Turf course is one of the best in the country, and while there may be a slight variation from spring to fall, I doubt it would make that much of a differnce.

Jayjay, you are clueless. Where did I compare QR to Invasor. All I was stating is that the other dirt race was won from a horse in post 11, and that was Invasor. The other's were all won from the 1 post.

Billy's Empire 04 Nov 2010 10:00 AM

I loved Pleasant Prince after the Florida Derby and thought he would have a huge season.  But he was a huge disappointment in the Bluegrass and the Preakness.  His victories over nobody three year-olds in the Ohio & Oklahoma Derbies didn't impress me much.  Can he even clunk up to complete the superfecta if all the speed collapses?  I doubt it.  Just don't think he's good enough.  He'll make some money winning more G3 stakes next year though.

Livesoutwest 04 Nov 2010 10:04 AM

Murjan in the Jvnl intrigues me. There are 2 clips on youtube of his races in Peru. He broke his maiden by 14 lenghts at 7 furlongs in what I timed to be 1:28. Next, he went a mile against older horses, came up the rail in a large field and ran past the leaders at the wire. I timed that race as 1:37. This horse is by Bertrando out of a Tabascco Cat mare. I think Murjan is worth a look at a huge price. Good luck in your wagers and safe trips to all.

Tony 04 Nov 2010 10:16 AM

I will definitely be cheering for Blind Luck in the Ladies Classic but I will be keeping a close eye on the price of Persistently. She was good enough to beat Rachel Alexandra and LAT and Shug is one trainer you never want to sell short.

Giddyup 04 Nov 2010 10:18 AM

Pleasant Prince looked fat this morning. He is a thick horse with no shot of running down these types.

Billy's Empire 04 Nov 2010 11:01 AM

Billy- I know the turf course is one of the best, but I also know there has been a serious lack of rain.  The Europeans are more concerned with the course jarring their horses, not necessarily it's firmness.  All have said it is a lovely course.  Is the inside dominant for route races too?  That would make me feel better about Plumania.  She will like the firmer ground.  Otherwise, because it is a 7 furlong course, I wasn't too keen on her breking from the 1 hole.

Footlick 04 Nov 2010 11:21 AM

JAYJAY

Agree with you. QR isn't CLOSE to Invasor,plus drawing post one he's finished,if he wasn't already. lol

Mike Relva 04 Nov 2010 11:24 AM

Haha billys empire the horse is fat huh! lol! You guys are delusional. PP has a great post adn its not about what you did in the summer its how are you doing right now. The horses that are doing well now will do well Saturday. Haynesfield, LAL and Zenyatta are at the top of there games right now Blame, Quality Road, Fly Down Etched not so much!

In aint easy being good! 04 Nov 2010 11:36 AM

Billy's Empire : No, YOU are clueless, pay attention to what you post maybe you'll make some sense.

You said and I quote you :

"  There were only 8 races that weekend at CD, and three were on turf, so 4 out of the 5 Breeder's Cup races were won by the horse in the 1 position on dirt. The other race was Invasor, who was going to win from any post that day. "

The topic is QR and you're talking about the 1 hole, and you stated that Invasor won the other race " who was going to win from any post that day "  .... my point was QR is NOT Invasor, he can't win from ANY post.  Get it now ??  Good.  Carry on.

jayjay 04 Nov 2010 12:50 PM

The Rock

   Thanks for the headsup on Hamazing Destiny. That's one of the very difficult races for me so far. I'll add him to the mix. I went with Sara Louise in the F&M sprint. I ended up with Evening Jewel as my second choice, but it was a tough one to choose. Three races are giving me trouble. Turf sprint, dirt sprint, and dirt mile. I think I'm done with the rest. Midday is the toughest chalk. I like Debussy in the Turf. What do you think of the dirt mile?

Dr Drunkinbum 04 Nov 2010 1:36 PM

If Haynesfield were to break through the gate again and ruin his chances, Quality Road's stock would suddenly go way up, as I think he would find himself alone on the lead soon.  I doubt Espoir City is in the same class as a speed horse, though we haven't seen him on our dirt yet.

'Ain't, I only half agree with you. I think both Fly Down and Etched are at the top of their games right now.  It's just that neither figures to be good enough.  And Etched was destroyed on this track in the Clark last year.  

Somebody's perfect record will be history after the Classic.  Not only Zenyatta, but Quality Road, Blame and Musket Man have all never been off the board.  Barring a dead heat, at least one of them will no longer be able to say that.

Livesoutwest 04 Nov 2010 3:09 PM

My current ? is how is G. Gomez and how will any lingering stiffness affect his ride on Blame Saturday???

Zen's Auntie 04 Nov 2010 6:44 PM

Vince - The NYRA's record of disrespect to dirt distance races goes back to the late 1960s.

Lawrence Realization, the New York St. Leger at 13f dirt, put onto turf.

Manhattan H at 12f dirt, put onto turf and shortened.

Jockey Club Gold Cup at 2 miles - cut to 12f, and then to 10f.

Gallant Fox H, a G2 at the Aqueduct fall meet at 13f, moved to dead-of-winter-crap-track meet.

Display H, G3, two times around Aqu at 2 1/4 miles, dropped.

This is not to mention distance races that had previously been shortened, 'reworked' or dropped, like the Saratoga Cup, New York H, et. al.

I guess I shouldn't pick on the New York tracks: there used to be a Pimlico Cup, a Monmouth Cup, a Latonia Cup (at Old Latonia), and the San Juan Capistrano on dirt - Noor beat Citation in one of those. It's just that the NYRA tracks seemed to be the ones who were keeping the best traditions of racing alive. And I'm really annoyed at what they did to the Ladies H (a championship race from the last century into the 1980s) and the fillies' Belmont, America's Oaks, the CCA Oaks. And the Woodward. And....,

Pedigree Ann 04 Nov 2010 7:46 PM

Want a real roughie? (That's Aussie-talk for a longshot. I've been watching the Flemington Carnival since Saturday.) Try Riley Tucker in the Sprint. He will sit behind the pace, which can be ferocious in this race, ran a nice second in the Vosburgh last out, and he is 3 for 2 at Churchill, including the Aristides last spring over Atta Boy Roy and Cash Refund. ML is 8/1 but might be overlooked.

Pedigree Ann 04 Nov 2010 7:54 PM

        I Think Quality Road is one excellent horse ! If Zenyatta cant get it done this time ,It will be Blame or QR ! I just hope that Quality Road will make it to the gate this time without being scratched :( :(

Pedigree Shelly 04 Nov 2010 8:56 PM

        Coldfacts , I like the info you have on Pleasant Prince ! Looking at his form , I dont like the competition he's beaten ! Yes , he won the Ohio and Oklahoma Derby's in very good times and I like his pedigree ,but if you're looking for a real sleeper , what about First Dude ? He's been running with top level competition ! Maybe the Classic will be his coming out party ??? At a nice price :)

Pedigree Shelly 04 Nov 2010 9:32 PM

Quality Road is the fastest horse in the race.  He is going to do what he wants to do.  He will dictate the race from start to finish.  Everyone else is just along for the ride.

Draynay 05 Nov 2010 1:30 AM

I consider draynay the longest of longshots to come out ahead in betting for the two days. The odds are off the chart that he could ever win any money off the total of all his bets. If they gave a consolation prize for negativity and bad taste for horseracing he's win hands down.

i tell it like i see it 05 Nov 2010 8:46 AM

The Haynesfield show starts in 30 hours!

In aint easy being good! 05 Nov 2010 10:12 AM

I told you so....Unvialed Belle!!!

Had her to win big time...and wheeled her in Classic double with entire field...Mott + CD was a big winner, seems like nobody was picking her? She made my day..Don

Don from PA/DE 05 Nov 2010 8:02 PM

Has anyone heard what was wrong with Life at Ten???

Linda/Maryland 05 Nov 2010 10:32 PM

Linda Maryland

   Electrolite imbalance caused by lasix. Which also means that if she would have tried any harder then she could have had a heart arrhythmia and big trouble. She needed to be scratched. She looked horrible pre-race, like a very sick child.

Dr Drunkinbum 06 Nov 2010 8:13 PM


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