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Who Will be the 2011 Handicap Stars?

With the announcement of Lookin At Lucky's retirement on Friday, and the previous decisions to retire Rachel Alexandra, Blame, Quality Road, and Zenyatta, arguably the five best and most popular North American-based horses of this year will no longer be running in 2011.

Other than the soon-to-be 3-year-olds revving up for the Triple Crown (And might I add, let's hope we have an exciting Triple Crown season), who will be the star horses of 2011? As it looks now, the pickens are slim. Three of the better older horses that could come back--Gio Ponti (I think there is a good chance that he will return), Paddy' O'Prado, and Sidney's Candy have shown main track talent but are better on turf. That leaves a list of handicap horses that are potential stars, but certainly have not proven it yet. Let's take a look:

I think Apart, who is campaigned by the same connections as Breeders' Cup Classic winner Blame, and Fly Down probably have the best chances at staking their claim as the leaders of the handicap division. Apart can get a head start if he wins next week's grade I Clark Handicap and will probably be pointed to a very similar campaign as Blame ran this year if he performs well. Fly Down ran a sneaky good race in the BC Classic and was one of the few horses still making up ground on Blame in the final yards.

In addition to Fly Down, Nick Zito also has Morning Line coming back. He defeated a solid lineup in the Pennsylvania Derby to prove he was for real and confirmed that status with a very game runner-up in the BC Dirt Mile.

Another returning 3-year-old is First Dude, who has to get a win early next year for Dale Romans. I don't care if it's in an entry-level allowance, he needs a win. If he gets it, I still think he can be a star.

Shipping over to England for the St. James Palace set Noble's Promise back a while, but the Ken McPeek trainee made a rousing return from five-month layoff in the Jimmy V Stakes during BC week. That was a sprint and he's only one once going two turns, but Noble's Promise will still be an older horse to watch.

Another Kentucky-based horse that got very good late in the season is Successful Dan, romping winner of the Fayette Stakes at Keeneland over Exhi and Stately Victor. He's not just a synthetic freak either--Successful Dan won the Northern Dancer at Churchill as a 3-year-old.

Speaking of the Northern Dancer, this year's winner, Colizeo, might be the best of Todd Pletcher's returning older horses. He was overtaken late by Apart in the Ack Ack and still hasn't put it all together, but he looks the part of one that can be a force in 2011.

Two other horses coming out of the BC Classic that must be mentioned are Musket Man and Haynesfield. Musket Man didn't fire his best shot in the Classic but it was his only time not hitting the board in his entire career. Without Blame and Quality Road around in 2011, he could finally stop being a bridesmaid. Haynesfield showed his ability by easily beating Blame in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. He should have his sights set high in New York next year.

Also to keep an eye on in New York is Admiral Alex. You remember him, the maiden winner who was over-ambitiously run in the Travers off a maiden debut win. He turned in a huge effort in the Arts and Letters Stakes last month at Belmont after a failed effort on turf. He set very fast fractions in that 1 1/8-mile event and still ran away from the field.

In California, Richard's Kid will be sent to Dubai which will wipe out most of his season over here, leaving things wide open. Rail Trip and Crown of Thorns are pointing toward 2011 campaigns but injuries leave questions marks hanging over both of them. That leaves Misrembered, who Bob Baffert is very high on, Twirling Candy and Caracortado, who will meet in the Malibu and hope to make a mark in the Strub Series, and Dakota Phone, so impressive in the BC Dirt Mile but who also placed in both the Pacific Classic and Goodwood.

Who am I forgetting here, there has to be more?

231 Comments:

I agree with much of this. I'm very disappointed Lookin At Lucky was retired, I thought his connections were pretty high on the thought of him having a great four-year-old campaign. He was the one older horse I was really "lookin" forward to. And his effort in the Classic wasn't horrible ( for me ) after all he's been through this year, and he's such a later foal too.

I guess next year the horses I'll be watching are Fly Down and Caracortado.

Dusty 19 Nov 2010 3:47 PM

Jason,

What do you think about Drosselmeyer coming back?? Have you heard anything?? Was sad to see The Pamplemousse retired as well...thought his return was going to be an awesome one but alas it was nto to be. Also, Big Drama could be one to watch out for too dont'cha think? And another thought, I have heard that many East based trainers are taking stalls at Santa Anita with the recent return to dirt. Do you think this may have an impact on more quality out West??

Afleet Treet 19 Nov 2010 3:58 PM

It's amazing how forgetable each and every one of those mentioned in your article really are. Maybe some horse will step up and take their place among the elite of the racing world. It won't be from the ones mentioned.

Peggy 19 Nov 2010 4:01 PM

Good list -  I am waiting for the Rock Hard Ten horses to run as four year olds; just like him they need more time to grow up. I hope we see a couple of breakout stars from his progeny.

I hope Redding Colliery comes back, he is one of my favorites and I think he's underrated.

Flora 19 Nov 2010 4:07 PM

Well thats an interesting list of the males returning, but how about the fillies. I hope Blind Luck improves as a 4 year old, if she returns.

Chelsea 19 Nov 2010 4:08 PM

I'm looking forward to Drosselmeyer coming back.  Hopefully he can return to his competitive form.

Dawn 19 Nov 2010 4:10 PM

Peggy, if each and every horse Jason mentioned is entirely forgettable, then you will never, ever be happy.

How about Big Drama, General Quarters, Court Vision...Ice Box, Winchester, what's the word on these guys.

Rachel 19 Nov 2010 4:20 PM

Don't forget Trickmeister

ABC 19 Nov 2010 4:21 PM

I was only mentioning horses in the dirt handicap division for the most part, not turfers or sprinters. Ice Box and Drosselmeyer dont really get me excited.

Jason Shandler 19 Nov 2010 4:22 PM

Wow... Now that Lucky is retired there' not much to look forward to in the 2011 handicap division. Hopefully Blind Luck doesn't also retire.

It's a shame there's so much money in breeding.. It's the actual racing that is the fun part.

shuvee 19 Nov 2010 4:24 PM

I think Morning Line is going to be a dominating older horse.

Speaking of Tiznow...has anyone heard what's up with Well Armed?

Tiznowbaby 19 Nov 2010 4:27 PM

Modern Cowboy is a handicap star in the making. Will be revealed in the Clark at CD at the end of the month just as Blame was last year.

This column is about future handicap stars not the try hards who cannot quite rise to the top.

Craig 19 Nov 2010 4:39 PM

Hey, you're the one who said "who'd i miss?"...tell us first who you don't want us to mention, or we're likely to mention them...♥

Rachel 19 Nov 2010 4:43 PM

I am looking ahead for the Tiznow colt, Morning Line to be a major factor next year.  He ran a ''bang up''  2nd in the Dirt Mile only to lose by a head.  Zito is very high on him....

Mindy C. 19 Nov 2010 4:52 PM

Apart looks like a good one,I think he'll be better than Blame.

Any word on the injured Take Control?

Carlos in Cali 19 Nov 2010 4:59 PM

Mission Impazible

seth 19 Nov 2010 5:00 PM

I was really surprised when I heard news about LAL. I thought that his trainer already committed him to the 4-year-old campaign? Anyway, sad news. Good luck Lucky!

Regarding 2011 - well, I still didn't loose my hopes in Jackson Bend :-)I hope that he didn't used all his assets yet and will show us something good next year. I'm also waiting for some good things to come from First Dude; I just love this horse! I know, I know, he just got one win but I'm so attracted physically to him! I know, it's low, but everyone can have some sentimental momentsts :-)

Windy City 19 Nov 2010 5:05 PM

Well I’m not sure where the handicap division might end up there are few whole male stars left to start on dirt. I find the whole retirement announcement period after BC to be a bit depressing.

Kinda leaves the door open for some late bloomers to take a shot and makes me think the division will be difficult to handicap and filled with surprises in 2011. Interestingly the situation could give some pretty good horses a chance to shine without a BIG star casting a shadow overall of them.

If you look past the sprinters and turf experts who’s really left for the big grade one races like the Travers,  Whitney,  Donn  and Stephen Foster, JCGC and Woodward?  I’m saying some horses considered good to just better than average today might just get a shot.  Or Maybe the 3 year olds will just step up and dominate the open division (well not the SF but you know what I mean).

I am really disappointed at the retirement of LAL.  I think he had a chance to really solidify his position as a truly great racehorse, but alas, he will be retired to stud as terrific 2 year old a very game nice performing 3 year old of 2010.

Should we look to the LADIES to carry us forward? We should still be seeing Evening Jewel, Wasted Tears, Harmonious and Blind Luck that makes me feel better. I see BL put in an easy work today.

Speaking of Works, I also see that a certain 2 year old Colt named Runflatout put in a handy 37 and 2 today at Hollywood - WHOOO HOOOO GO ZOO!!

So I guess I’m searching for 2 year olds now to enjoy. I like Bandbox for coming 3 year olds and Dancinginherdrems too.  Of course all Eyes on MO and BAT too but there are some others like you told us about Jason in Aces n Kings to follow as well.

I cant wait to see the next efforts of Awesome Feather and that little wonder boy Pluck.  

Tomorrows Princess Crown and Jackpot are going to be fun. Im looking forward to a week later At Aqueduct too.

@Peggy, Only very serious Old timers would make any of the big 5 Jason mentioned "Forgettable"  

Zen's Auntie 19 Nov 2010 5:11 PM

I'll miss watching all five of our stars, Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta, Quality Road, Blame and Lookin at Lucky. It's a shame that the breeding shed is more important than racing. I'd rather watch the horses race through their 9 or 10 year of age season, then to see them retired at age 3 or 4 so they can be rushed of to the breeding shed. No wonder why our fields are getting smaller and smaller. Nobody is returning.

robin from michigan 19 Nov 2010 5:11 PM

The "business decision" that takes Lookin At Lucky off the race track is exactly what makes this sport so difficult for casual fans to get ahold of, and why Zenyatta was such a boon to the health of the sport.

LAL was going to be a monster in 2011, how do you not want to compete with a horse like that?  Like him or not, if that were Jess Jackson's horse he'd be running as a 4 year old.

Runfast159 19 Nov 2010 5:16 PM

It really is time for the Jockey Club to step up and declare something along the lines that no offspring conceived by stallions who were below the age of 6 will be registered.  The stars need to be running through ages 4 and 5 for the long-term prosperity of the sport.  Note that the big names that you mention (such as Gio Ponti) that may run next year are turf specialists and as such are not viewed as attractive as stallions.

FourCats 19 Nov 2010 5:32 PM

Jason,

Watch out for Admiral Alex, Friend or Foe, Fly Down, Morning Line and Haynesfield.

In the sprint division, Big Drama and Smiling Tiger.

The big trainer whom I'll will be following closely is Nick Zito.

Watch for Edgar Prado to make a big comeback among the principals in the jockeys department.

Ranagulzion 19 Nov 2010 5:36 PM

Carlos in Cali,

The basis on which Apart will be better than Blame is that he is a grandson of AP Indy, isn't it?  I think that you need to vary and diversify your handicapping tools in order to return to your former glory as a handicapper.  The AP Indy / California bias hasn't been treating your reputation very well in recent times Buddy.

Ranagulzion 19 Nov 2010 5:41 PM

Jason, I forgot to single out Sidney's Candy.  He'll be back big time my friend.

Ranagulzion 19 Nov 2010 5:44 PM

Is Fly Down definitely returning? If so, then he's my big gun for next year. I was awfully high on him  in Florida and was proven right. Poor colt couldn't win the big one, but he ran well most of the time.........and his pedigree indicates he should improve next year.

Betsy 19 Nov 2010 5:52 PM

Fly Down and Noble's Promise will rule.  Noble is a very good horse up to 1 1 1/8th.  2011 will be a great year. We can get back to real racing and look forward to another BAT and Uncle Mo meeting.

Draynay 19 Nov 2010 5:56 PM

Afleet Again and I Want Revenge?

manowar 19 Nov 2010 6:01 PM

To retire Lookin At Lucky is an abomination to racing.  It needs stars to draw in more fans and to fill the tracks.  He was to be a factor in the older horse ranks (there basically is no handicap concept to speak of, therefore, no handicap stars).  And not to appear heretical, I would do away with the Breeders Cup concept.  Without the BC you would have quality racing throughout the year and what were Grade I races would not be relegated to Gr. II status.  Think Belmont Futurity and Matron Stakes and Brooklyn 'Cap.

Jim Dooher

Syracuse, NY  

Jim Dooher 19 Nov 2010 6:03 PM

DISCREETLY MINE!!!!

MISSION IMPAZIBLE. COLIZEO, EXHI, MODERN COWBOY, & CHRISTMAS FOR LIAM...T. PLetcher still is loaded!

Is Jackson Bend still around?

Prince Will I Am should be good as well.

But I think next year the focus (aside from the triple crown) will be on fillies with Blind Luck, Devil May Care and Havre de Grace renewing an interesting 3way rivalry.

BigWill 19 Nov 2010 6:14 PM

i say that fly down has it wrapped up next yr unless take control becomes a beast next yr, even though he hasn't raced in almost a yr now. but he has been working recently.

anna 19 Nov 2010 6:38 PM

I'm also interested in what happened to Take Control.  He seemed such a promising AP Indy colt. Being out of Azeri, I hoped to see him come back. Anybody know if and when he might be comming back?

Kristen Ohler 19 Nov 2010 6:54 PM

Thanks for bringing up Nodouble.  He was one of my favorite handicap stars.

LarryD 19 Nov 2010 6:57 PM

This is just so depressing.  I thought at least Lucky would stay around for a 4 year old campaign, he was my Derby horse and I went out to the Haskell to support him. He's a May foal and should have been awesome next year.  Lucky is a very nice looking colt too and just a sweetie, he's worthy of Zenyatta and so is Afleet Alex.  I guess New York rules racing so far for next year with Uncle Mo and Admiral Alex.  Evening Jewel (yes, another of the Afleet line) and Champagne D'Oro could be around too for the ladies.  We need stars on the track.  Lucky came out first in the post parade to "Born To Run" in the Haskell, too cute for words.  This is just so depressing.......................

Alex'sBigFan 19 Nov 2010 7:24 PM

I am for Apart to be a champion. I have loved this horse since his debut. He has the perfect breeding.

Amy 19 Nov 2010 7:39 PM

I love Lookin At Lucky -- I think he would have cleaned up next year, and  he leaves a void that isn't easy to fill.  I bet the three year olds of next year end up the racing stars of 2011.

Caracortado looked impressive the other day on the west coast;  it will be interesting to see him on the new Santa Anita track; I also like Admiral Alex - a good race after being thrown under the bus in the Travers..  Morning Line should be improving next year also.

skyfire 19 Nov 2010 7:42 PM

My afinity for Afleet Alex will have me rooting for Admiral Alex.  Also think Twirling Candy is one to watch.

Mostly looking forward to the sophomores Uncle Mo and To Honor and Serve here and Frankel across the pond.

2:24 19 Nov 2010 7:45 PM

Fly Down is a monster, and I'm still hoping that Twirling Candy is another one. We're still OK, and yes, you can expect a spectacular Triple Crown season. We've got superstars gallore coming up with the new sires that will dominate. Number one will probably be Bernardini but there are plenty of others next year and in the following year. Street Sense, Hard Spun 2yo in 2011 I believe. Afleet Alex will be strong and a factor in 2011 Triple Crown races. Uncle Mo alone will provide excitement, and I hope he is the favorite in The Derby. Mint Julep anyone?

Dr Drunkinbum 19 Nov 2010 7:53 PM

Cheers, Dr Drunkinbum! :) I'm eager for Uncle Mo and Awesome Feather to debut as three year olds... Hopefully 'Feather can become a RA or a Queen Z... And that Mo can do some great things next year. Don't want to jinx anything! *knocks on wood* Can't wait for Fly Down or First Dude, either. Oh, and Switch, too. I love her.

R.AlexandraForever 19 Nov 2010 8:34 PM

Ranagulzion,

The Slews' are classy individuals and my R.O.I on them throughout the years is phenomenal. Apart had been outworking his compadre Blame this year(supposedly),and since his impressive win in the Super Derby I've been watching him closely.

I'm definitely not biased when it comes to who I think is the better horse,regardless of where they reside at.

You've taken a massive blow to your expertise by claiming all year long that QR was a 'beast'/he was the unanimous HOY/etc.,etc... but,as it turned out he was exposed in the BCC for the true horse that he is: A top-class miler that romps vs. weaker foes @ GP. LOL,I told you so! Zenyatta was/is the better horse!

Plus,I noticed you're all over Sweet Ducky going into next year's TC series huh?... What happened? I thought the AP Indys' stood no chance because they lack the foundation/seasoning/maturity to perform well. Do my eyes deceive me or has Ice Box's troubled-filled trip in last yr's Derby along with First Dude's & Fly Down's honorable showings in the Preakness/Belmont suddenly changed your mind?..  Can't wait for you & your cohort,the "so called" Coldfacts analysis leading up to the Ky Derby.

Carlos in Cali 19 Nov 2010 9:03 PM

I was sorry to hear about the retirement of Lookin at Lucky because as a late May foal he really would have excelled as a 4 year old.But as he was born on the same day as another famous late foal from the 1960,s Northern Dancer we can only hope he can go on to produce some famous racehorses as that sire.As for 2011

I think the horse that is going to be on everyone.s lips providing there will be no mishaps is the one

on the other side of the pond who is named for the late great American trainer Bobby Frankel,Frankel.He has that aura about him that brings back memories

of Man O,War and Secretariat.

John T 19 Nov 2010 9:04 PM

We'll see, soon enough out West, in the Strub Series.....ON DIRT! I thought the most powerful performance in the US last year was in the Big Cap---a very spread out field, won by a horse near the pace--he looked great that day (cannot remember his name), big chestnut/Baffert---hasn't raced since....I love Fly Down, Zito has a couple of nice ones--ok now I remember it--Missremembered--ha! There's a hunch! Whatever happened with him?...Also, there was a horse who broke his maiden in 1:34 and change, on grass at Hollywood in the Summer, I wanna say Bodark---whatever happened to HIM?...I said that day, stakes winner--GRADED stakes winner who wants to go longer! Of corse, if things go like I think they will, they won't be talking about older horses--Uncle Mo ran better than any two year old since, well, Bid, Slew, Secretariat--that's right! Zenyatta and Blame AND Uncle Mo impressed the most on BC Day, I hope they handle that horse with the big picture in mind--they added sand to that BC Track, in case of rain--when it didn't come, the track was cuppy, and tiring---not for Uncle Mo! This looks like a stronger than usual group--allready there is real quality--Besides Momo, the 2nd place horse (The "Boys At" guy) looks real nice--and Jaycito can run--just think he lost his way out there--he'll be back and I'll be backing! But, yes, there is a monumental void in the older division--never again will a female horse be favored at even money in the Classic! And Blame was a monster in his own right! And Lookin At Lucky was the best three year old---there's a void right now--a BIG one---in my opinion, Uncle Mo, a horse who has run, what, three times, is the #1 horse in the US now....and from what I saw at Churchill, he's deserving!

Matthew W 19 Nov 2010 9:26 PM

Last year's Big Cap fave, St Trinnians, is likely the best horse out here....

Matthew W 19 Nov 2010 9:39 PM

I'm really intrigued by Admiral Alex. First he wins a maiden special going two turns first time out of the box.  Then Bluesiewicz throws him to the wolves in the Travers where he predictably was trounced. Then he puts the horse in a lesser stakes race on the turf and he wins.  Obviously he's got some real ability.  It will be interesting to see whether the trainer can be patient enough to develop this promising colt.

Bill Daly 19 Nov 2010 9:41 PM

Caracortado in the Met Mile!

Matthew W 19 Nov 2010 9:42 PM

Is I Want Revenge racing next year? He didn't perform so badly this year considering he came back from serious injury, even if he's only 75% of what he was as a 3 year old he should be a star.

Southern Chris 19 Nov 2010 9:54 PM

Any news on Conveyor, I know we're talking handicap but I think he's knockout sprinter/miler.

Southern Chris 19 Nov 2010 9:55 PM

Musket Man is the first horse since Fit to Fight to sweep the NY Handicap Triple....It could happen.

M2M 19 Nov 2010 10:21 PM

Dont Forget Blind Luck and Devil May Care are hopefully coming back

Sango 19 Nov 2010 10:22 PM

Sad to see 'em go before we have time to really fall in love with them. I loved Einstein. He was around long enough to grow a fan club - rare for this place in time except for geldings. I know if I was breeding a mare, I'd be thinking seriously about Einstein because he's proven sound and durable. Too bad economics always seem to come ahead of the game and the fans who wager and keep it going. I wish the retirees every good thing for their futures and look forward to their sons and daughters, hoping THEY'll be around past their 3-year old season. And of course I look forward to those game, gutsy racehorses like Gio Ponti who I've had time to love.

Convene 19 Nov 2010 10:23 PM

Runfats159, you said exactly what I thinking. They have to stop retiring these horses so quickly. Enough already. That is why the sport is losing viewers. I was looking forward to LAL too. What is up with that? ITA that Jess Jackson would have kept him going. People are critical of Jackson, but he gets it that the sport needs stars. That's good enough for me. So do Jerry and Ann Moss. We need more people like them in this sport if it's going to survive.

O.k. Sidney's Candy, Apart, Blind Luck, Evening Jewel for me. Can't wait for Uncle Mo. He is one scary good horse. Triple Crown maybe?

Paula Higgins 19 Nov 2010 10:46 PM

Carlos,

My position on AP Indy has not changed with respect to him throwing a Kentucky Derby winner.  That is not going to happen, based upon his performance at stud so far (and he must have entered his twilight years now as a sire).  However I have said before now that some of his sons, in particular those possessing the presence of Mr Prospector as broodmare sire can overcome the AP Indy lag in maturity by inbreeding or crossing with Mr Prospector or Northern Dancer or other Derby-winner-producing influences within the first five generations (as in the case of Ice Box whose 2nd dam Crown of Sheba is the daughter of Spenda Buck's dam Belle D'Jour and the grand daughter of Alysheba's sire Alydar, strong Derby-winner-producing influences).  Note also that Fly Down and First Dude fit the pedigree profile needed to overcome the AP Indy late blooming trait.  The AP Indy effect is not typical of the Seattle Slew line.  its just that he is the most bred sire from Seattle Slew.  I believe that Vindication's offsptings are more typical of Seattle Slew in terms of precosity in the 2YOs.

As for Sweet Ducky, he is a son of AP Indy's son Pulpit that is inbred 3X4 to Mr Prospector and has already demonstrated his precosity.  He kindof reminds me of Swale (Seattle Slew with inbreeding to Nasrullah) in more ways than one, since he is also inbreed to Nasrullah through Nashua.  He's a very interesting 2YO that could catch up to Uncle Mo's level by February next year.

I hope that this lengthy pre-triple crown treatise engages you and clarifies my position with respect to AP Indy, his sons and their triple crown prospects.  

Ranagulzion 19 Nov 2010 10:52 PM

seeing first dude come back after a freshing should be a force to reckon with if he can learn how to get to the wire first.

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arturo316 19 Nov 2010 10:53 PM

Anybody mention Discreetly Mine in the sprint division?  Last I checked, his connections were still planning a campaign next year.  Unless that's changed, I think he is a horse to watch out for next year for sure.

Curlin 19 Nov 2010 11:22 PM

If he runs next year, there's a horse named Gone Astray that I think will make some noise next year. I am not sure where he's been the last little bit, but he's got the connections and bloodlines to put up a good fight.

Gone Astray will be five next year and he's been one I have watched for some time... I watched his Pennsylvania Derby win as a Three year old and his Salvator Mile this year at four at Monmouth... I hope he breaks through. Phipps owned and bred. Is already a million earner.

I hope they bring Rail Trip back.... haven't heard a lot on him... does anyone know where he is?

ZJ 19 Nov 2010 11:34 PM

Almost forgot about Win Willy if he's back....

ZJ 19 Nov 2010 11:34 PM

I think the two year olds will be a big star like Unclo Mo, Stay Thirsty and many others.

Funny1991 20 Nov 2010 12:10 AM

I think I will be looking forward to seeing the fillies next year - Blind Luck, Devil May Care, Evening Jewel, Switch, Champagne d'Oro, and Havre de Grace. And St. Trinians if she comes back.

With the exceptions of Eskandereya and Lucky, both retired, none of this year's three year old dirt running colts particularly impressed me - though Paddy O' Prado and Sidney's Candy could become big stars on the turf. Twirling Candy looks like he might have a lot of raw talent, so hopefully he will mature well.

duchess 20 Nov 2010 12:22 AM

Uncle Mo looks like he`ll be a good 3 year old, and J P`s Gusto looks decent as well.

I`ve been wondering about Caracortado, haven`t seen much of him lately! I`m glad he`s coming back! Hopefully Paddy`ll be coming back around to, I`m a bit fond of him mylselfe. :)

Mrglassoniongirl 20 Nov 2010 2:01 AM

Except for Curlin, I haven't pulled for any horse to win the triple crown since I picked the two year old Affirmed. Now, I am pulling for Uncle Mo to sweep and if he does, all of the handicap horses mentioned in your article and the postings will be up against it later in the year. I can see Mo dominating at least one of the main fall races and then clobbering the Breeder's Cup field.

Charlotte Ann 20 Nov 2010 2:30 AM

Unfortunately, the cost of insuring 4 year old that has good bloodstock , and was proficcient at 3, greatly compromises and offsets potential earnings, as profitable, especially when compared to stallion syndication models.  2011 looks eerily similar to 2009, where the Macho Agains, were vying for the top Handicap division. However, Uncle Mo is the nicest juvenille, I have seen in a while; more than anything his splits and times have me excited.  However, given recent years, soundness always is an issue.  

brettzky99 20 Nov 2010 5:40 AM

Paula Higgins

  If Mo won the Derby, and then managed to win The Preakness he would then face the very daunting task of trying to win The Belmont against Nick Zito's horse, but he first has the difficult task of even making it to The Derby. I will agree that he is extremely talented and there will be high anticipation for any of his races. Three phenominal races so far out of three tries. I never saw a 2yo as good, but I didn't see Secretariat or Ruffian at two. Mo may be talented enough to win the first two legs, and go into The Belmont undefeated and everyone will have all of the excitement they ever asked for. I'm not happy with the announcement of only two more races prior to The Derby. Maybe he is that gifted with that much natural stamina but I would go for three races. He certainly runs like an old pro with fluid movement that saves energy. He could be our biggest star next year. I just wish I'd stop thinking of The Three Stooges. However he does tend to slap around the other horses like Moe did to Larry and Curly.

Dr Drunkinbum 20 Nov 2010 6:22 AM

R.AlexandraForever

   Cheers !!! Uncle Mo, Fly Down, and Awesome Feather are all very intriguing as to what their potential really is. How far can Awesome Feather go? How far are they going to try to go? Hopefully Fly Down will race all year in 2011. Too many retirements is depressing, but not for long !!!! It's going to be a humdinger road to The Triple Crown. Mo is going to have some serious competition. I think. But I won't mind if he is another Seattle Slew.

Dr Drunkinbum 20 Nov 2010 6:47 AM

Ranagulzion: Super Saver's dam sire is AP Indy, and he won the KD last year.

Aren't the Rock Hard Ten's progeny turning 4 next year?  They may be late bloomers like Dad.  A lot are on turf, but a few are on dirt.  The fillies were great at 3.  The colts seem slower developing, though they started their 3 yr old campaigns strongly.  An interesting 3 yr old on turf is Abilio; his last race seemed more controlled.  2 for 3 so far.  

Slew 20 Nov 2010 8:03 AM

The only good thing about LAL retiring is, that we nolonger have here Baffert complain about how unlucky LAL has been. All I know is that in the biggest race of the year, Super Saver showed up and LAL did not!  

I hear Girolamo is coming back in 2011.  But, I think Apart will be the horse of 2011! I am hoping for a really strong three year old class!

Trebloc 20 Nov 2010 8:29 AM

Two I really liked on the 2010 TC trail, not yet mentioned, are Endorsement and Connemara.  Both taken out by injuries and not yet back on the work-tab, but I haven't heard that either was retired. They have a lot of potential as 4yos if the injuries are resolved.  Connemara probably on grass or syn, Endorsement definitely dirt.

sherpa 20 Nov 2010 9:41 AM

 LOVE the subject matter Jason.  This is when I'm always thinking about who to watch next year.  For me it's FLY DOWN, MORNING LINE and it's hard to not be excited about UNCLE MO.  I know...No big surprises here but that's who I'm watching.  I agree with Jason...I've tried REAL hard to like Ice Box but I really don't think he's the soundest horse around.  Look for him to continue to disappoint.  Watch for a two year old filly (turning three) AMUSING to make some waves sprinting.  Here's to an awesome 2011.  

Smoking Baby 20 Nov 2010 10:39 AM

Another good one retires early. Really disappointed Lookin at Lucky was retired. I truly believe the handicap division was his for the taking next year, especially with Blame and Quality Road retired. It would have been really nice if all three came back. Whatever happen to those days when the real good ones came back to race another season after a good campagin. Horses from the last 25 years like Cigar, Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, Skip Away,In Excess, Holy Bull, Silver Charm, Free House, Gentlemen, Housebuster, Alysheba, Ferdinad, Bet Twice, Real Quiet, the list goes on and on. I think Fly Down would be one to watch, as well as First Dude. Paddy 'O Prado has a chance to take the turf division if they keep him on the turf. Hopefully another star would emerge. Racing needs it.

Jeremy 20 Nov 2010 10:43 AM

Trebloc, it's hard to show up when you are checked into the boards before you get a chance to even get started. And Lucky has shown up every race since, which Saver hasn't. Just sayin'.

Pedigree Ann 20 Nov 2010 11:17 AM

Look out for Uptowncharlybrown.

Jim Hamilton 20 Nov 2010 11:40 AM

I thought Mike Mitchell had picked out a nice colt, brought him along to be a Gr1 winner, and one race he bombs, and it's all over--Baffert gets him--I'm talking about Jaycito--compare that to Caracortado--same trainer, same jockey, because they did all the wet work with him and I think they call it loyalty!

Matthew W 20 Nov 2010 11:52 AM

First, this might be slightly off subject but it is relevant in the sense that if Uncle Mo stays fit, it will not matter who the top handicap horses are. No one will even notice them.

Second, on the subject of next year's derby, I see questions are being raised about the maturity rate of A P Indy's offspring, although A P Indy has sired classic winners Bernardini and Rags To Riches. His son Aptitude finished second in the Derby.

It is difficult to maintain that a horse who was mature enough in June was not mature enough in May.

If maturity is the issue then most  sires are in the same boat because only Maria's Mon has sired  more than one Derby winner since A P Indy went to stud in the early 90's. In any event, a sire's offspring wins the Derby not because of their precocity but because they finished ahead of the other horses who might be just as precocious.

I pick Shadow Warrior, by A P Indy, to give Uncle Mo a run in the 2011 Ky Derby.

JerseyBoy 20 Nov 2010 12:22 PM

For the record, retiring Lookin At Lucky is a joke, and I'm sure everyone feels the same way on this blog. This horse has not even fully matured yet, so as long as he continues to progress, he was only going to get better as a 4 year old. While he was a nice horse, he was not as good as past 3 year old champs (e.g. Curlin, Bernardini). They should have brought him back. We need race horses to race.

Jimmy 20 Nov 2010 12:29 PM

Slew

I'll give you a heads up on Abilio. he'll be running in an open company NW1 at the end of november then he'll be given the winter off but he'll be back in training in march

did any one mention first dude if not watch out for him i can see a  met mile or foster win in his record

thomas 20 Nov 2010 12:32 PM

sherpa, Connemara was sent to Qatar. I doubt we'll ever hear anything about him again.

Kim 20 Nov 2010 12:39 PM

Slew,

you make my point exactly by reference to Super Saver.  notice that AP Indy appears in the 3rd column of the pedigree matrix.  Also he is crossed with the derby-winner-producing Raise A Native line that produced Majestic Prince and Monarchos.  There's a very very slim chance that AP Indy will ever directly sire a Derby winner.

Ranagulzion 20 Nov 2010 12:57 PM

In response to Anna and Kristen - Take Control has been working since late June (after being sidelined with sore shins)  Baffert has commented that it was probably a good thing b/c he still needed to grow up a bit (if you remember, Azeri was a real late bloomer).  He seems to be working very well, but I've been keeping my eye out for his plans and no word his last five works have been - 5F in 59.60, 5F in 59.40, 4F in 51.60, 6F in 1.16.40, 4F in 46.40.  

I've been really high on this colt since before he was racing, he also has a half sister (Arienza) who should debut sometime soon (by Giant's Causeway).  If anyone has heard anything else I'd definitely be interested in hearing.

Kibble 20 Nov 2010 2:06 PM

Don't know if anyone mentioned these two WinStar horses - both Endorsement and Well Armed are on the way back.

Susan 20 Nov 2010 2:34 PM

Very excited about Fly Down as he is on the improve and with a better trip in the BC Classic would have had a chance to be in the mix with the top two. Big advantage for him...he can get the classic distance and then some whereas most simply cannot. Apart wins like a good horse and could step up and if Uncle Moe stays together he looks like a monster. Always interesting to see how the upcoming 3 year old crop pans out since the best are bred for the classic distance. Going to feel different not having a top female horse in the mix and hard to imagine there's another special one coming along anytime soon but you just never know.

Rich 20 Nov 2010 3:09 PM

sorry to see Lookin @ Lucky retiring, he was a star. Morning line could be blossoming into a major player, Maybe even Dakota Phone. Uncle Mo Looks head and shoulders above the rest, although the first saturday in may is a long way off. Rogue Romance ran a good race in the juvenile, 1st try on dirt, should improve with each race.

joe p. 20 Nov 2010 3:32 PM

I'm looking at that race over at Delta Downs, and this horse Bug Juice looks like he'll get the lead and if he rates he can get an EASY 1/2!....As far as his ability to get the three turns, I believe Finger Lakes is 5/8, right? And his grandsires, A P Indy and Twilight Agenda, both ran lights out in the Breeders Cup Classic--he's lookin' like a chicken dinner right now! I love how he uses his speed to get the lead--then he goes on--I'm gonna play both #6 Bug Juice (8-1) and #7 Decisive Moment (20-1), another interesting longshot--wide oped race, it has become one of my favorites!

Matthew W 20 Nov 2010 3:33 PM

I'm looking foreward to Capt. Candymancan's return. I've always hoped he'd try a mile as an older horse.

Debby 20 Nov 2010 3:54 PM

Slew,

I hope you right about RHT, seeing that my mare is in foal to RHT!  

Pedigree Ann,

I'm just pissed that LAL is retired!

Any word on Drosselmeyer?  

Trebloc 20 Nov 2010 4:09 PM

Jason,

Is there a reason you didn't mention any female horses, i.e. Blind Luck, Havre de Grace, Evening Jewel or Switch, for examples?

Are you doing a separate column on the "ladies?"

CV 20 Nov 2010 4:12 PM

CV: They dont really fall into the category I was writing about but Im sure we'll be talking about them at some point. Blind Luck might be the biggest returning star we have next year.

Jason Shandler 20 Nov 2010 4:20 PM

I'm thinking that First Dude is building up to be a heck of an older race horse - I really like him.

Brownfan 20 Nov 2010 4:26 PM

Slim pickings, indeed. We've been spoiled the past two years with the excitement of Rachel and Zenyatta, but one didn't expect such a huge and sudden come down so quickly with the additional losses of Blame, Quality Road and the now near unforgivably greedy loss of Looking at Lucky. Sour grapes, but I feel it's a shame that he will now be honored with an award after his owners take him away from us and cut his career short. Unless some two year old steps up, I just don't see anything on the horizon of great interest, but they do tend to pop up out of nowhere sometimes and hopefully that will happen this year as not a one on that list of dirt horses strike me as anything remotely approaching greatness with the possible exception of yet again another filly, Blind Luck. We may have to wait for the Europeans to return in the fall to witness any great horses for a while. And what to do about the Kentucky Derby? If the last two winners, who never won again and have both been retired including a gelding, is indicative of the future, changes will have to be made as America's so-called greatest race cannot continue on with it's glory if it keeps getting won by flukes with little talent and no future. I've thought for many years the whole Triple Crown should be switched to 4 year olds. We'd weed out the losers, the good ones would race longer, the field wouldn't be filled with so many unknowns and inferior horses and the general American public would not even notice the difference, but traditionalists will squawk and we will be stuck with ruining young horses and watching a bunch of inferior horses left to run in "America's race", which is slowly becoming an embarassment to have that title.

Bill B. 20 Nov 2010 4:32 PM

Hey Jason, any word on Capt. Candymancan? I just saw the comment by Debby and that reminded me of him. I thought he was a real nice horse as a 3 year old, and he was very game and always gave his all. He was a fun horse to watch and I hope he does race again.

Jimmy 20 Nov 2010 6:20 PM

Bred, owned, trained by Myung Cho, with matching purple silks and blinkers reminding me of Ancient Title--Premier Pegasus, expertly ridden by Quinonez, he has speed but gathers back like a real pro, that's training, mi amigo! I'm not even sure he needs blinks, he seems to get what it's all about--he'll be a tough beat in the Cash Call, which has been a big prep in recent years....

Matthew W 20 Nov 2010 7:24 PM

Look for Misrembered to have a huge season. He ran a game second to Blame last year and also won the Santa Anita Big Cap. This year the race will be on dirt, and I think that helps the Baffert trainee even more. Another horse in the older division, to keep an eye out on is Morning Line. He should develop into a nice 4 year old, and be a force in the division. I hear people talking alot about Uncle Mo, and I must concur that he is about as good looking of a two-year-old I've seen since a horse who got hurt earlier this year, and that was Kantharos.    

SPLITS OF 12 20 Nov 2010 8:20 PM

Nobles Promise, Twirling Candy, Caracortado however I am worried about the classic distance with them. thy are more miler mile 1/16 type

ALGAJA 20 Nov 2010 8:39 PM

Woe is me. I was brokenhearted with the defection of Lookin At Lucky. He was truly destined for great things in 2011. This is precisely what is wrong with horse racing. 99% of the owners are in it solely for the money & to hell with the fans. You never want to latch on to a horse & become a fan because the owners pull the rug from under you. What sport can exist without a fan base? For instance you follow a baseball player's career for several years & become an entrenched fan. It's absurd that owners turn their heads & maintain their greedy ways. What's the draw for the younger generation? They are attracted to sports where they can latch on to an "idol". Horse racing is the sport of kings all right. You paupers just remember your place in society. And I'm not speaking of High Society.  Okay one of you 3 year olds...step up to the plate & hit one out of the park!

ctgreyhound 20 Nov 2010 8:46 PM

Do we know for sure that Blind Luck is returning in 2011?  Have you heard Jason?

Definitly be watching Uncle Mo next year,  Damn, I hope Dray dont jinx him.

When is Nick Zito's horses going to ever win another big race?

Jason, I think Haynesfield will win a big race next year.  I look for a strong return out of him.

Well, they are my future one's I'm going to be watching out for.

sodapopkid 20 Nov 2010 9:18 PM

Morning Line will be very good next year. I think he will be the stand out. If Motion/Agustin bring Smart Bid back as a 5 year old he could be fun to watch. After he rand a good 2nd to Papa Clem in the San Pascual or San Antonio her was gone for over 6 months. Has had two nice races recently and could be a good one.

SmartStrike 21 Nov 2010 2:31 AM

Hey Jason, what the heck happened to Aces N Kings  in that race? He was backing up faster than a reining horse in a futurity trial and it looked like CB just fell off...did the saddle slip?

Rachel 21 Nov 2010 7:21 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how myopic a given point of view can appear, however having said that I will put forward my own. I believe that the next superstar will come from the two year old ranks, if thats the case look no further than "More than ready's" offspring - won both "Turf Breeders Cup" Juveniles - Colts & fillies, never done before by any sire, Turf you say..... well before you become too cocky who is it that has been giving us a complete thrashing when they bother at all to ship....thats right the europeans - all turf all the time!  

TouchStone Farms 21 Nov 2010 8:24 AM

Did anyone stop to think that LAL has been sidelined too often with unexplained fevers?  These lay offs have cost him much training time.  I think he's retired to forestall more future problems.  I can't fault the owners in their thinking, but I am a little disappointed.

Thomas: Thanks, I really like him, and the one race he lost was because they tried to hold him back in the pack.

Trebloc: I'm really excited for you, having a mare in foal to RHT.  He's one of the most beautiful stallions I've ever seen.  I'm looking for the return of New Madrid, Krypton, Azurite, Shirley She Can, Hard Way Ten..etc..etc.

And last year, my favorite was Take Control.  Terribly green race, but that bullet finish amazed me and put me in mind of Sea The Stars.

When you talk about Derby prospects, don't forget the ladies.  AZ Warrior has much promise.

Slew 21 Nov 2010 8:26 AM

I absolutely adore Musket Man. He is very game and always goes into a race ready to run. I don't care how poorly he ran in the classic, I absolutely love him!

andtheyreoff 21 Nov 2010 9:32 AM

Musket Man never gets the proper respect- I mean really- he ran 2nd and 3rd to the best males in the country being Quality Road and Blame by narrow margines. Come on people

tweeter 21 Nov 2010 9:59 AM

Jason,

Skipshot continues to puzzle me with his inconsistency. A son of the brilliant Skip Away by a mare who was sired by Derby winner and Canadian 1982 champion 2YO Sunnys Halo has the pedigree to do great things. He has shown some ability and as 4YO he might just run to his pedigree.

Carlos in Cali

Thanks for the shout out. I am not sure how I got into the mix but I think it is important to remind you that “Cold Fact” can always be verified and should not be referred to as “So Called”. They must not be confused with collusions reached or opinions advanced from time to time.

I always look forwards to analyzing the potentials of possible KD starters. As you might now be aware I focus on each horse’s historic barriers and by so doing eliminate them from the top spot. Example: I repeatedly stated that LAL would be the 2010 KD winner. Why? Smart Strike was the broodmare sire of Mine That Bird. The winning broodmare sire in one year never follows up as the sire of the winner in the next. In spite of LAL abilities, history was against him winning. I also predicted that Esky and Dublin won not be the 2010 KD winner. Why? Esky’s sire Giant’s Causeway covered over 200 mares during 2007 and abused stallions do not produce derby winners. In fact the entire Giant’s Causeway Derby trail contenders either broke down or went sour. The same could be said about the contenders sired by Roman Ruler who also covered over 200 mares in 2007. Dublin was sires by Afleet Alex, Preakness/Belmont winner. The 2009 KD/Belmont winners were sired by Belmont winner Birdstone. The winners of TC races are notoriously poor sires of Derby winners. The chance of this occurring in consecutive years is almost impossible. In addition, Dublin’s dame was a G1 winner. G1 winning mares are not known for their Derby winning foals.  

What is my early prediction about the sensational Uncle MO? He will not win the 2011 KD. His grandame sire Kris S is his most negative factor. Kris S Breeders’ Cup record as a sire and broodmare sire is second to none. He sired 5 Breeders Cup winners Prized, Brocco, Hollywood Wildcat, Soaring Softly and Action This Day. He was broodmare sire of two Breeders Cup winners: War Cant, Zenyatta. It might have gone unnoticed that BCC winner Blame was sired by Arch a son of Kris S and the dame of runner up Zenyatta  was sired by Kris S. Was it a Kris S Extc. in the BCC?

In spite of Kris S success in Breeders Cup races his sire and broodmare sire is MIA in the TC series of races. Consequently, history suggests Uncle Mo will not be the KD winner. He might dominate the peps but the KD is not a race usually won by the won by the dominant.  Can Uncle Mo who is from a sire line that has featured once in a TC race and a broodmare line that is MIA in TC races break the monopoly that the Raise A Native sire line has on the TC sires of races? It will not happen.

Do not discount the history of some races. From an historic stand point Zenyatta was always behind the eight ball in the BCC. No 6YO has ever won the race. In spite of her enormous abilities history won and she lost. No stallion has ever sired two different winner of the BCC. Consequently I eliminated LAL and QR from winning consideration as their respective sires had previous winners (Smart Strike – Curlin), QR (Elusive Quality –Ravens Pass). Is this historic method of analyzing the chances of horses in a particular race sound? No! However, history continues to justify this approach as it continues to deny certain occurrences. We can appreciate what each poster brings to a blog in spite of how it is viewed.

Coldfacts 21 Nov 2010 10:19 AM

Sodapod, top fillies can make more money racing than producing foals, because they only can have one a year, unlike a stallion. And the payoff is much farther away. Stallion fees are usually upfront or stands and nurses. To get money for a foal, you have to wait until you can sell it, weanling, yearling or 2yo. Or if you race it yourself, maybe not until it is 3. Delaying a filly's retirement doesn't cost much, compared to delaying a colt's.

Pedigree Ann 21 Nov 2010 10:41 AM

Matthew W

Your post is off topic but I agree Premier Pegasus appears to be a very nice colt. He has a lot of speed but his strides pattern suggests he is not a sprinter. I was a big fan of his dame sire Summer Squall during his time on the track. Summer Squall shares dame with the Belmont, BCC and HOY winner A. P. Indy. Premier Pegasus’s pedigree screams Derby and beyond. I like look at the historic factors associated with a potential derby starter. Premier Pegasus was sired by the 2000 derby winner Fusaichi Pegasus and his dame was sired by Preakness winner Summer Squall. Has there ever been a KD winner that was sired by a derby winner and whose dame was sired by a Preakness winner? Yes! The 1963 KD winner Chateaugay was sired by the 1955 KD winner Swaps and his dame was sired by 1945 Preakness winner Polynesian sire of the great Native Dancer.  

Almost 50 years has elapse since this type of combination produced a derby winner. The Raise A Native sire line has produced 8 of the last 11 derby winners and the Northern Dancer broodmare line has produced 4 of the last 11 derby winners. The Raise A Native/ Northern Dancer cross has produced 3 of the last 11 derby winners. However, none of the three KD winners produced from this cross featured two classic winners as sire and dame sire. With this colt’s pedigree he has an overwhelming amount of history on his side. He is definitely to be followed.

Coldfacts 21 Nov 2010 11:02 AM

MM has some good beyers and very good races...I would love to own one like him. He's sound and game and maybe 5 is his year...plus, he ended up being able to run 1 1/4 a lot better than QR! ;-)

Rachel 21 Nov 2010 11:34 AM

 Coldfacts.  I don't disagree with your historical point of view of some races.  But...I'll tell a story about one time that bit me (hopefully someone other than me finds this interesting).  I took a buddy of mine to his first race on Big 'Cap day  at Santa Anita a few years back.  Being a real beer lover, he zeroed in on Milwaukee Brew as his bet.  I told him that yes, Milwaukee Brew looked good but he had won the race last year and in the history of the Big 'Cap no horse other than John Henry had ever won it twice and Milwaukee Brew was certainly no John Henry.  Add to this that John Henry's second win was via DQ.  He took my advice and bet Pleasantly Perfect.  Needless to say Milwaukee Brew wins and makes a fool of me.  My buddy tells this story to this day. Love your posts by the way.  Keep them coming.

Smoking Baby 21 Nov 2010 11:37 AM

Tiznowbaby...

I e-mailed Bill Casner and he said that Well Armed is definitely on the come back trail.  He is swimming daily and has ''weights''  on his back to keep him fine tuned.

As for Craig... Love Modern Cowboy as well... he is ''just''  sitting on a stakes win !!!!!  I have followed him from the beginning !!!

Mindy C. 21 Nov 2010 12:16 PM

Castellano broke Borel's jaw?

Dr Drunkinbum 21 Nov 2010 12:24 PM

Slew- I thought that it was interesting that almost everytime he shipped he got sick right after.  But, I think Coolmore wants a stallion and LAL fit the bill.  He will most likely be the 3 yr old champion.  If they want to make money without risking his rep, retire him sound and breed him.  He has decent bloodlines and could most likely throw turf and dirt.  We will see how it pans out for them.

Footlick 21 Nov 2010 1:22 PM

Coldfacts,

I must not understand what you are saying. Is it that "the sire and damsire of Kris S are MIA in Triple Crown Series races"??????  On its own merit, that would be ludicrous.  His sire Roberto was the grandsire of Barbaro, of course; and him damsire was Princequillo, who was obviously the damsire to Secratariat.  Plus, MIA is subjective; Rock Hard Ten placed in the 2004 preakness, although very well beaten.  Did I misunderstand your quote, or is it that the aforementiones horses fit your model in a different context??

brettzky99 21 Nov 2010 3:04 PM

Sorry to see that Calvin Borel was hurt. That was a bad situation, which certainly could have been much worse. Aces N Kings, what happened there?

tweeter, ITA about Musket Man. He is a game and gutsy horse. Often overlooked but as consistent as it gets. I really like him too. He is just a solid horse. One of my favorites. I think a big "thank you" to his connections for keeping him out there and in good condition, is in order.

Paula Higgins 21 Nov 2010 3:09 PM

Coldfacts,

You're right, the historic analysis by itself is not sound.  It is a random hit and miss unless it helps us identify some REASONABLE CAUSE for the hitoric occurrence.  For example, AP Indy has never sired a Kentucky Derby winner inspite of covering the creme de la creme of the North American broodmare band for many years, and is not likely to do so in the future BECAUSE he passes on a dominant late development trait to his offsprings.  That's the difference between your history angle and mine.

Simply dismissing a probable outcome like Uncle Mo winning the 2011 Kentucky derby because his broodmare sire Kris S has yet to have an impact, without suggesting why Kris S has been MIA, is like shooting in the dark.  Also, when you decide that a negative trend has been occurring and then arbitrarily decide that after 50 years it will very likely be broken, that's a very disingeuous manipulation of historic analysis.  

You boast about your prediction concerning Esky but may I remind you that you were very wrong about Super Saver (one of my Todd squad trio, the others being Rule and Eskendereya, which you categorically dismissed as realistic Derby winners).  Anyway its always great sparring with you.  See you in the Spring.

Ranagulzion 21 Nov 2010 3:21 PM

Footlick:  I believe it has more to do with new owners who absolutely love him, and his attitude.  Like Baffert, they also think he's a really cool horse.  And he has very good bloodlines.

Sorry Coldfacts: history is past and is always being made anew as new horses go to the track.  You were rather dogmatic last year about an AP Indy with no chance...and you were wrong.

I usually consider more than the Derby.  AP Indy had Bernardini in the Preakness, and Rags to Riches in the Belmont.  Looks pretty solid to me.

DR D: Aces N Kings broke Borel's jaw when he decided to pull an 85ina50, bolting out and taking 2 other horses with him (one of them Blue Laser, the favorite in the Delta Jackpot)...but maybe Castellano found a little voodoo doll...and pushed it off a Breyer.

Slew 21 Nov 2010 5:07 PM

I saw a comment somewhere recently that, instead of "breed to race" it has become a matter of "race to breed."  Aptly put.  Sure, I see the economics of retiring the stars - for breeders and owners - but it sure doesn't help the sport.  Seems very short-sighted to me...

sherpa 21 Nov 2010 5:11 PM

Jason:

Aces N Kings darted off the rail and unseated his rider, Calvin Borel. Borel suffered a cut to his chin and was scheduled to have surgery to repair a broken jaw on Sunday, according to his agent, Jerry Hissam. Borel is expected to be out six weeks. Aces N Kings also was not injured in the incident, but darted because his stifle locked up, said his owner, Caroline Dodwell.

tcc 21 Nov 2010 5:58 PM

Brass Hat can run against any of these at 10.

DW 21 Nov 2010 6:28 PM

Maybe Misremembered from Baffert.  It is looking pretty dreadul right now for 2011, but I am sure a couple will surface. More shocking to me right now is how awful the 2 year old colt division is in CA.

Pete 21 Nov 2010 8:36 PM

Jason,

I'm looking forward to seeing Apart & Successful Dan developing into top handicap horses next year. Aren't they facing off in the Clark Handicap @ CD on Friday?

Also, with Santa Anita putting in a dirt track this winter, do you think the west coast will see a spike of east coast horses shipping in to participate in the Strub & Big Cap' Series? I know in the past that east coast horses rarely shipped out there even when there was dirt installed but given the several year hiatus, I wonder if some connections would contemplate shipping over given the thin condition of the division.

Lastly, this year's triple crown trail should be pretty exciting for all MID owned racetracks with the incentives that are being offered. Instead of seeing these 5 or 6 horse fields in these prep races in the prior years, the gates should be filled with 3 year old talent.  

The Rock 21 Nov 2010 8:42 PM

Am I wrong, or was Fly Down sold ... I believe to Saudi Arabian(?)  Is he staying in US?  Dubai?  

Anyone know?

I hope he stays -- he beat Lucky fair and square in BC.

skyfire 21 Nov 2010 8:47 PM

I guess I'd have to say that my favorite older horses coming back in any division would be First Dude (I still think this horse may just be a late developing star in the making), Caracortado, Sidney's Candy, Successful Dan, Paddy O Prado, Blind Luck, Havre de Grace and Evening Jewel.

Runfast159 21 Nov 2010 9:44 PM

It's always fun to watch the 2 year olds and obviously Uncle Mo and Awesome Feather are on everyones radar.  I'm also keeping an eye out for impressive maiden winners Royal Delta and Arresting Officer.

Runfast 159 21 Nov 2010 9:48 PM

Twirling Candy, Sidneys Candy and Fly Down.But the most exciting horse to come back in 2011 will be Uncle Mo. He's a horse for the ages in the making.

Lorri 21 Nov 2010 10:13 PM

More on Calvin from Claire Novack on Facebook. He has a clean fracture on the right side of his jaw and multiple fractures on the left side of his jaw, requiring pins and screws. Poor Calvin. He is lucky they didn't have to wire his jaw shut. This is probably the most dangerous sport there is.

Paula Higgins 21 Nov 2010 10:27 PM

Slew

its not that they tried to hold him back he just didn't break fast enough and they didn't want to use him. because if you noticed the last race he pulled himself up to the lead. plus in the race  where he was off the board. channing hill was in trouble the whole way around but he said the horse learned alot from that race.

thomas 22 Nov 2010 12:34 AM

Fly Down will dominate next year's older male division.  As I mentioned in the previous blog, I think the racing gods owe Zito for the seconditis this year.  He is on track to having a big year next year.  I'll be looking out for his derby runners next year.  I'm waiting to hear about Rail Trip's status, not sure if he's not liking conventional dirt and I'm hoping that Mace considers bringing him back to Cali.  Not sure what their plans are, he didn't retire did he ?

With Blame and QR gone, next year could be Musket Man's chance to actually win some races.  He would have to deal with Haynesfield's speed but I think he's got the right style of running should they face each other.

jayjay 22 Nov 2010 1:48 AM

Any concrete news on Backtalk and if it is possible he can become a star player--he did so well in the Derby in 2010.

NotRealQuiet 22 Nov 2010 1:50 AM

Slew

  From what Paula said it sounds bad. It's rough out there but at least he's alive. Heal well Calvin, we love you man. Chocolate Malts are really good.

Dr Drunkinbum 22 Nov 2010 1:51 AM

Mindy, thanks for the info on Well Armed! I hope he comes roaring back.

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ps...THE ONLY BELL WE TAKE A BACK SEAT TWO IS N PHILLY...GOTTA RING IT & RING IT i AM...i LOVE THIS GAME TO MUCH TO SEA IT GOE DOWN THE TUBE$...ty..."THE BELL"

Bellwether 22 Nov 2010 4:26 AM

ps...PATRICK HENRY...BLESS HIS SOUL...JOHN HENRY..."THE GREAT ONE"..."THE BELL" WAS BORN TO RAISE HELL N VIRGINIA...& RAISE HELL i WILL...ITS BEN A LONG TIME COME N...GONE N TO BEE A LONG TIME GONE BABY...THEY CAN'T KILL "THE KING" THIS TIME!!!...ty...

Bellwether 22 Nov 2010 4:43 AM

Just more of the same nausea that's ruining this so-called sport: Naked business decisions concerning the breeding stall that assures they will be filled as the stands at the tracks continue to empty and empty and empty and allow Jason to write articles about how to fill the handicap void due to premature retirements. Even one of the last-owned family farms prematurely retired Blame and the retirement of the late-foaled 3 year old Lookin' at Lucky was just abominable. I repeat a suggestion from earlier in the blog as its implementation would help prevent the path of  self destruction that horse racing is dizzyingly speeding down: "It really is time for the Jockey Club to step up and declare something along the lines that no offspring conceived by stallions who were below the age of 6 will be registered.  The stars need to be running through ages 4 and 5 for the long-term prosperity of the sport.  Note that the big names that you mention (such as Gio Ponti) that may run next year are turf specialists and as such are not viewed as attractive as stallions." Bravo !!!

Will W 22 Nov 2010 7:48 AM

Trappe Shot, Duke of Mischief, Noble's Promise, and maybe Hotep from Canada. lots o' talent in that there group!

rick 22 Nov 2010 11:20 AM

Don't forget Uptowncharlybrown he will be back and better than ever.

 John A

John A 22 Nov 2010 11:34 AM

There may be some who are better than Musket Man and Brass Hat.....but there certainly are'nt any tougher. Those are the 2 I'll be following.

Charlie 22 Nov 2010 12:48 PM

Thomas...I don't know.  Abilio took off in his first race ala Presious Passion and was almost home before anyone came close.  In the 2nd race, they kept him mid pack, and he looked like he was fighting the bit.  In his 3rd race, he got his head, went to the lead, and didn't have to burn up the track to win.  I've been really impressed since his first run, and I'm looking to see more.  Is Big Dram coming back next year...don't forget Little Drama will be 3, and then I think Here Comes Ben is a solid candidate in the future.

DR D: What Calvin will miss most...he'll miss the rest of the fall meet at Churchill, but they expect him back into riding by the time Oaklawn starts back up.

Will W: I doubt any regulation like that will exist, because we also lose promising 3 year olds to injuries....and you cannot penalize a stable for retiring an unsound horse.  

Bellwhether: ENOUGH! or in your parlance EN OF!

Slew 22 Nov 2010 1:07 PM

Admiral Alex good choice also Alexandra Rylee AWESOME!

Fran Loszynski 22 Nov 2010 1:20 PM

Dr D:  What I saw on TV, Calvin almost looked as though he was jumping off.  What I did not see in the replays, and just watched several times over, was that he also went down as his hands still clutched the reins.  Apparently, when he did, he got a tremendous kick from Aces N Kings.  Up until now...I didn't quite get the entire picture, and wasn't aware that he went down.

Slew 22 Nov 2010 1:30 PM

Slew

DRF: Reports Borel incurred the injury when his mount in the $1 million Delta Jackpot, Aces N Kings, threw him. Borel then was kicked by a trailing horse.

tcc 22 Nov 2010 1:52 PM

Coldfacts,

Re sire coverage, if 200 is too much what range do you use that makes a runner fit your requirements.

Texas Tony 22 Nov 2010 1:54 PM

I really want to see Take Control come back and race as a 4yo. I know he has some issues, but his maiden win was impressive and since he may race at Santa Anita on dirt, we all know Bob will ship him east to race in the big handicap races in NY, Florida and the Midwest. Ever get any updates on this horse Jason?

Billy's Empire 22 Nov 2010 2:28 PM

Win Willy (listed as probable for Clark) Giant Oak,  Bribon,  Awesome Gem

I sure wish they'd ship Noosa Beach, winner of the Longacres Mile. He's a real nice horse...

What happened to Here Comes Ben in the BC Mile? He went totally flat

francine 22 Nov 2010 3:59 PM

Afleet Again, and Peppi Knows!!! what about themm!

Emily 22 Nov 2010 4:06 PM

Dr Drunkinbum, just saw your post about Uncle Mo. Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense. We will see how good he really is. I am hoping he is, because I don't see to much else out there right now for greatness potential. I think we have been spoiled by the girls.

As for Calvin liking chocolate malts. You're not just kidding. I did know someone who had their mouth wired shut for WEIGHT LOSS, no less. She wasn't even over weight by much, but found a M.D. who would do it. She eventually resorted to pureeing HAMBURGERS and other solid foods in the blender and ate them through a large straw! So she lost weight at first and then proceeded to gain it back BEFORE the braces/wiring came off. Yes, this is true. I hope Calvin doesn't have to resort to that poor guy. I agree he should be o.k. in 8 weeks.

Paula Higgins 22 Nov 2010 4:41 PM

Stately Victor may just be a synthetic racer, but I think he will be as good as any we have next year.  

Here Comes Ben was just getting good and lightly raced.  I think his Street Cry breeding will allow him to stretch next year.

I expect to see Champs Pegasus return to the main track next year as well.  

Also, the Usual QT, Smiling Tiger, and Hibbayeb could have nice years.

derbyme 22 Nov 2010 4:51 PM

Tiznowbaby,

Love your name !!!  Don't ya just love Well Armed and the story behind him?  He is certainly Bill Casner's boy...  Cannot wait to see that ''high'' cruising speed on the track once again...

Mindy C. 22 Nov 2010 6:03 PM

Sadler's Wells didn't do too badly with a huge book. And Danehill did both Northern and Southern hemisphere seasons.  If the horse can handle it it works.  If those horses showed they could not handle it, they would have reduced their books.

Footlick 22 Nov 2010 6:06 PM

Love Well Armed and Aaron Gryder.  2nd to Curlin in Dubai, 2nd in the Pacific Classic, wins the big one in Dubai...I was upset they ran him in the BC Mile at Santa Anita rather than the Classic.  He finished up the track.  Certainly a "poster boy" for modern vet medicine with his first near death experience to come back and compete in graded stakes...hope this one's return fairs a little better than Lava Man's.  

Householder 22 Nov 2010 7:25 PM

Ranagulzion,

We certainly agree and disagree on a lot of points and I could not disagree with you more regarding your assessment of the A. P. Indy youngsters.

“He passes on a dominant late development trait to his offspring’s”

A P Indy was not a late developer and does not pass on any late development trait to his offspring’s. He was voted HOY as a 3YO and that would automatically cap the Eclipse Champion Three Year Old Male.  The fact that he has a strained relationship with the Kentucky Derby does not support your conclusion above. Below are some of his winners and top performers in important 2&3YO races:

Rags To Riches ( won Kentucky Oaks & Belmont); Bernardini (won the Preakness); Pulpit (won Toyota Blue Grass & Fountain Of Youth); Aptitude (2nd in the KD & Belmont); Tapit (won Wood Memorial); Tempera (Champion 2YO filly and BCJF winner); Secret Status (won the Kentucky Oaks); Majestic Warrior (won the Hopeful S)

I have no doubt that Bernardini was better than Barbaro. It was unfortunate that he did not have the earnings to make the derby field. Bernardini went on to be U.S. Champion 3-Yr-Old Colt (2006); Co-World Champion 3-Year-Old (2006) Friesan Fire was the off time favorite in the 2009 Kentucky Derby. He swept all three Louisiana preps for the derby i.e., Lecomte, Risen Star and LA Derby.

The success of A P Indy’s off springs in 2&3YO races does not support your conclusion. He just has no luck in the KD. The same could be said about Secretariat and Storm Cat who both have a winner of the Preakness/Belmont leg of the TC.

“that's a very disingenuous manipulation of historic analysis”

Uncle Mo’s pedigree is almost non existence on the Derby Chart. It has no favorable history to suggest this colt can be successful in a race that has been dominated by the Raise A Native and Nasrullah sire lines.  There needs to be no manipulation of historic data to arrive at my conclusion. The RAN sire lines have been associated with 17 of the last 42 Kentucky Derby winners. The Nasrullah sire line has been associated with 8 of the last 42 KD winners. The two dominant sire lines are 25 of 42.  Uncle Mo’s sire line 1 of 42.

If the Derby winning prospects of Uncle Mo from the 1 of 42 sire line and To Honor and Serve from an 8 of 42 sire lines is evaluated, To Honor and Serve would be the overwhelming choice to win.  His sire Bernardini was a world class race horse that is from a sire line that produced five consecutive Kentucky Derby winners between 1973 & 1977. His dame sire Deputy Minister is also the dame sire of Preakness winner Curlin and Belmont winners Rags to Riches, Jazil & Sarava. If that is not impressive enough, his second dame sire is Miswaki who just happen to be the dame sire of Sea the Stars, Daylami & Galileo. This colt has the pedigree to be a TC winner. Uncle Mo’s pedigree is extremely short of classic ingredients. He might just be another (Arazi, Favorite Trick or War Pass)

Super Saver won The Derby by default and like Quality Road was last in his final start. This is an extremely poor reflection on your so called super trainer. In 2009 QR refused to enter the gates and in 2010 he should not have as he showed signs of decline in his previous start. I look forward to analyzing the 2011 Todd Squad as I sure you will be suggesting again a 1,2,3 finish for the barn. 2010 was fun and I hope to make 2011 better as I will be fine tuning my analysis policy.

Coldfacts 22 Nov 2010 8:43 PM

I thought we were debating possible 2011 HANDICAP division leaders. I would throw sprinters out of a conversation like that...so NO on Smiling Tiger, Bribon and Here Comes Ben.

rick 22 Nov 2010 9:10 PM

Really coldfact Bernardini was better then Barbaro? Nah I say.

I think breeding is like the NFL draft, overated you never know where in this sport you will catch lightning in a bottle. It happens all the time.

Big Brown..

Super Saver is in the same catagory as Mine that Bird and Giacomo[sp] for derby winners.

Gulfstream opens on the 4th of Jan looking forward to it.

Uncle Mo well time will tell

Johnny 22 Nov 2010 9:17 PM

Older Male :

Fly Down

Rail Trip

Musket Man

Older Female :

St. Trinians

Devil May Care (if she's not retired)

Persistently

3 Yr old Males

Jaycito

Uncle Mo

JP's Gusto

3 Yr old Fillies

Awesome Feather

More Than Real

Winter Memories

Turf Males :

Winchester

Champ Pegasus

Cour Vision

Paddy O Prado

Turf Females :

Proviso

Red Desire

Hibaayeb

Sprinters :

Big Drama

Discreetly Mine

Smiling Tiger

jayjay 22 Nov 2010 9:30 PM

Coldfacts- Arazi did not have a short pedigree.  He had stamina all through his pedigree.  He had chips taken out of his knees against Boutin's wishes, he didn't recover as quickly as needed and then was rushed to make the Derby.  If they had done what Boutin wanted and turned him out in France after the BC without the operation, you may have seen a different horse at 3.  As it was you saw a short horse run in the Derby and then never recover.  I will agree with the other two not being stamina laden, but there is stamina top and bottom in Arazi's pedigree.

Footlick 22 Nov 2010 11:29 PM

MISREMEMBERED will make you forget BLAME, QR, LAL

Draino 23 Nov 2010 3:15 AM

Johnny,

Barabro was all out to defeat second stringer Sharp Humor by a head or half a length in the Florida Derby. He defeated Bluegrass Cat by five in the KD. If Barbaro’s victory over Bluegrass Cat in the KD and Bernardini’s victory over said colt in the Travers is used as a measure, the answer as to who was better would be overwhelming clear. Bluegrass Cat was beaten 8-9 lengths by Bernardini with one crack of the whip in the stretch. If his rider did not employ the mercy rule the margin could have been significantly greater. One colt covered ground effortlessly the other pounded the track as he had the action of a turf horse. Do you believe the connections of Sharp Humor would enter him against Bernardini? Barbaro was a nice colt but Bernardini was a monster. If you do not believe Bernardini was a monster on the track revisit his 2006 Jockey Club Gold Cup victory. He was in hand from a furlong out and still record a time of 2:01.02. Curlin’s two JCGC wins were in 2:01.20 & 2:01.93 under serious urging.

Barbaro versus Bernardini, it’s not even close.

Coldfacts 23 Nov 2010 6:38 AM

Winslow Homer is back in training this week...He will be a force to be reckoned with under Larry Jones training now!!

STP 23 Nov 2010 7:18 AM

Slew

i know what you mean but in the first race at saratoga he broke a lil in and channing wanted to keep him focused and then he took off. the next race the plan was to let the horse run and not force him to the lead. but he got into a world of trouble but the main reason why that happened was that the winner of the race broke faster then him and he cut him off. i understand but we didn't think the race would turn out like that. its good to see he's got fans though lol

thomas 23 Nov 2010 8:23 AM

I remember another one...Yawanna Twist. I've got some advice, stay AWAY from the big names of the NOW....Apart (because his trainer won the Classic? please), Morning Line (off of one or two nice performances, maybe...but I'll bet on loss of form), Sidney's Candy (on synth or grass, maybe...still don't like speed in those races, and on dirt, no)

I know those horses are good, but very shaky reasons to back them...I prefer to wait for the truly gifted horse to emerge

rick 23 Nov 2010 9:14 AM

coldfacts - you know that I always appreciate your comments and especially your pedigree analysis.  However, I disagree with you on your Barbaro versus Bernardini argument.  Saying that Barbaro was all out to be Sharp Humor is fine.  However, he did break from the outside post which you know is menacing at Gulfstream going 9 furlongs.  Only exceptional horses like Big Brown and Barbaro win from the outside post at Gulfstream going 9 furlongs.  Also, I think your comparison of beating Bluegrass Cat is also off.  Winning in a full field by 6 with ease in the Kentucky Derby is far more impressive than winning the Travers by 8 against a short field.  The one time Bernardini was looked in the eye in a full field, he lost, albeit to another very fine horse.

Now, don't get me wrong, Bernardini is an impressive animal with tons of talent.  However, Barbaro was also immensely talented (over all surfaces) and I think would have the edge on Bernardini in the category of heart.  Obviously we will never know but this fan sides with Barbaro.

2:24 23 Nov 2010 9:56 AM

Coldfacts:

Barbaro won the KYD as they say of the screen. I do not care against who he won it in hand. Bernardini was a nice horse as was Barbaro. but if they both went to the gate my money would go on Barbaro.

I was at the Fl Derby you mentioned Gulfstream is my home track.

As we discuss things like this their is a constant reminder how great Z was.

Bernardini another one year wonder.

Looks like he is making a good stud though..

Johnny 23 Nov 2010 10:24 AM

To Anna:  Fly Down came in third in the 2010 Breeder's Cup Classic (you said he hasn't raced for a year) and I agree he will be one to watch as he is one of my faves also. What about Backtalk? He's Affirmed grandson's, his workouts are very good, sometimes . . .

NotRealQuiet 23 Nov 2010 10:59 AM

Remember AWESOME ACT, winner of the Gotham?  He pulled up lame in the Derby and went on the shelf for six months.  He recently started working out on the training track at Vinery Farm.  I believe he'll be in the barn of Steve Asmussen when he starts his 4yo campaign.  Certainly, one that bears watching.

Derby Dew 23 Nov 2010 11:38 AM

COLDFACTS,

Shame on you Bro for not realizing that Tapit's sire is not AP Indy but Pulpit (huge difference).  Aslo it is to your shame that you are unable to see that you can count on one hand the number of AP Indy colts that showed signs of precosity in contrast to the hundreds that he has sired over the years while covering the best broodmares in North America.  Come on Bro, don't tell me that you need a refresher's course in mathematics and statistics.

As for your comparison with Bernadini and Barbaro, you are barking up the wrong tree in criticising Barbaro's galloping action.  That colt would've won the triple Crown hands down if fate had not cruelly intervened.  Bernadini got better as the season wore on (typical of AP Indys) and would've definitely given Barbaro good competition later on.  He was a very good 3YO colt but don't forget that Invasor cut him down to size in the Breeder's Cup Classic (I could easily see Barbaro doing the same to him, as an undefeated son of Dynaformer that was also getting better as the season wore on).

I side with Footlick in defending Arazi.  Never seen a 2YO with that kind of explosive acceleration before or since.  The knee surgery clearly did not work out for him as a 3YO.

Sharpen up your analytical tool Bro.  

Ranagulzion 23 Nov 2010 12:52 PM

 Johnny.  My girlfriend LOVED Barbaro so we have argued the Barbaro vs. Bernardini point many times.  Because of this I just HAD to weigh in with my two cents worth.  If you go by the Beyer Speed Figures Barbaro never ran a race in his life that would've beat Bernardini from the Preakness until the end of his career.  He would've had to show some improvement.  Needless to say he may very well have but just going by what he did none of his previous races including the Derby would've beaten Bernardini.  And yes, I realize this conversation is off topic but I couldn't help myself (sorry).  Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Smoking Baby 23 Nov 2010 1:07 PM

***Unrelated***

Does anyone know whats going on with Ventura? Is she in foal and to whom.

Thanks,

WP

WinnahPickah 23 Nov 2010 1:10 PM

2:24 Love your posts and nearly always agree (probably why I love your posts).  I just wanted to point out that even though he got beat by Invasor in the Classic the Beyer Speed figure he earned running second showed it was the best race he ran in his life.  I was a little disappointed he got beat until the speed figures came out.  It's hard to be disappointed in a colt when he gives you his career best.  Last point...I don't think getting beat by Invasor should be an indictment on Bernardini's lack of heart.

Again...No disrespect.  Love your stuff.  

Smoking Baby 23 Nov 2010 1:19 PM

I had Fly Down in my superfecta.  I knew he like the distance but he does not win all that often.

2 Year Old "Western" stars.

Turbulent Descent (filly)

Zazu-a real nice Moss Tapit Filly.

Coil-I think this one will be Baffert's Derby horse. Nice breeding.  

3 Year Old fillies.  Switch...we have not seen the last of her and Evening Jewel (get her back on the grass after picking up some BC dirt money).  Blind Luck could be the Zenyatta replacement as far as "Silky Sulliven" runs.  Will... she... get...to...the wire in time?    

Householder 23 Nov 2010 1:33 PM

Super Saver is in the same catagory as Mine that Bird and Giacomo[sp] for derby winners.

Johnny 22 Nov 2010 9:17 PM

“The final decision to retire Super Saver was a difficult one that may not be popular with fans but should be very popular with our breeders. The bone bruising, discovered by Dr. Larry Bramlage DVM, which limited his performance during the latter half of this year should subside with time. However, it created a slight risk that he would not return to the form he showed as a two year old and through the Kentucky Derby,” said Elliott Walden, Vice-President and Racing Manager, “he was a top two year old and became WinStar and Todd Pletchers' first Kentucky Derby winner. He has nothing more to prove.”

tcc 23 Nov 2010 1:41 PM

TCC:

Even before the bone bruising I did not think S.S was all that.

Rain hit the derby that day and the sun shined on S.S it was his day.

Next race he was not the Fav LAL was. S.S did not even finish in the money but the excuses came flooding in[got to protect our investment you know]

In this day and age of one year wonders we are going to have these debates. Owners,trainers purposley avoiding other horses taking the easy road protecting their investment..

In my world unless you run more than 3 seasons or more your just another good horse.

Gio Ponti returning is good news for the sport.

Curlin running as a 4 year old was good for the sport.

R.A,Bernardini,LAL,Big Brown,Afleet Alex,Smarty Jones the names go on and on.How really good were these horses?

We will never know.

Ahh but Gulfstream opens on the 4th of Jan.

I will be their loving the ponies as always talking to the rail birds and picking exactas waiting for the next good horse.

Best horse as of right now going into a 4 year old season Fly Down.

Johnny 23 Nov 2010 4:27 PM

Smoking Baby, no disrespect taken.  I think Bernardini was a tremendous animal.  I also think that it is a close debate comparing him to Barbaro, one that could go either way.  I also did not mean to question Bernardini's heart as much as I wanted to highlight Barbaro's heart.  I saw Barbaro look another horse in the eye when things didn't play in his favor.  My disagreement with coldfacts isn't based on thinking Bernardini was not a worthy foe.  I just don't think you can compare beating Bluegrass Cat in two totally different races with different conditions, field size, etc., and/or being all out at Gulfstream from an outside post as knocks on Barbaro.  And while I certainly respect the Beyer Speed Figure arguments, I don't think that the figures adequately take into account field size or type of trip.  In his late summer campaign, Bernardini rarely faced more than 4 or 5 horses and usually had perfect trips.  Again, not putting him down at all, just my personal opinion that Barbaro would have won 75% of the time had they faced each other.

2:24 23 Nov 2010 4:30 PM

Ranagulzion,

You are correct Tapit was sired by a son of A. P Indy. My bad! No shame as the rest of horses listed were sired by A.P. Indy. I wonder if his sons pass on the late development trait as well. You made no quantification in your post consequently I was at liberty to respond as I saw fit.

“You are barking up the wrong tree in criticizing Barbaro's galloping action”

The Friday before the 2006 Preakness I predicted at my office that Barbaro would eventually breakdown. Upon returning the Monday after I was questioned as to why I made the prediction. The answer was simple: Go watch the 2006 Florida Derby. Barbaro’s action was not typical of a dirt horse if you know anything about horses. Revisit the 2006 Florida Derby and watch carefully the motion of his front legs and you might learn something. I told you that Esky had a suspect action and that the Big A track would ruin him. Well he was gone after the Wood.

“Bernadini got better as the season wore on”

NEWS: All young horses develop with time. Every horse that Barbaro defeated Bernardini beat by more lengths. He won the Preakness in his 4th start. Did you expect Barbaro who won the derby in his sixth start not to improve as the season progressed? What point are you trying to make with the above statement?

“He was a very good 3YO colt but don't forget that Invasor cut him down to size in the Breeder's Cup Classic”

Now you have certainly exhibited your lack of knowledge with that statement above. You make it sound like Invasor was chopped liver. Are you aware of the following about Invasor?

Triple Crown winner, Champion Three Year Old Colt & Horse of the Year in Uruguay, 2005.

Champion Older Male & Horse of the Year in the USA, 2006.

The only American Horse of the Year to win six consecutive G1 races.

12 Starts: 11 - 0 - 0, $7,804,070

It took a super star older horse that never lost a race in the US to defeat Bernadini. You cannot be seriously comparing Barbaro to Invasor a horse that won races on three continents and six consecutive G1 races in the US? If you are, you need to book into the nearest facility for the mentally challenged.

Coldfacts 23 Nov 2010 5:50 PM

2:24,

Your comments are well taken. However, to refer to Invasor as a very fine horse insults the brilliance of one of the best route horse to grace the sore of the US in the last 10 years. He never lost a race in the US. His victory in the Donn H was testament to his immense ability. He fell to his knees got up and accelerated to an unbelievable victory. Barbaro never faced any animal like Invasor.  Bernardini’s loss was not due to the reasons you specified. If the truth is told he was beaten by a bigger monster.

Coldfacts 23 Nov 2010 6:06 PM

And how about Life is Sweet?  Has she dropped the SmartSrike filly/colt yet?  

Householder 23 Nov 2010 6:32 PM

I would expect the Usual QT and Unzip Me to pick up right where they left off...great records on the turf.  Oh yes and the second place BC Turf runner as well.  Nice turf record but those pesky low Beyers kept a lot of the public away.  Live and learn.  

Householder 23 Nov 2010 6:39 PM

Bernardini fan here.  (Of course, he's Slew's grandson).  He was sensational, and I did pick him over Barbaro for the Preakness.  But Invasor was a total freak, and the only horse that could best Bernardini.  And it looks as though Bernardini will have incredible sire power, judging by his winners this year.  Lots to love there.

tcc: sorry, best 3 year old this year is Lookin At Lucky.  He's all class.

Slew 23 Nov 2010 7:04 PM

RANAGULZION

Do you really wanna go the route of reminding others' they were wrong when you were way off regarding QR?

Mike Relva 23 Nov 2010 7:08 PM

I have tremendous respect for Invasor.

2:24 23 Nov 2010 8:45 PM

Barbaro vs. Bernadini vs. Invasor-interesting turn this thread has taken. All good points. I think Barbaro was a monster in the making. We never got close to his bottom.

Paula Higgins 23 Nov 2010 9:28 PM

Coldfacts

We finally agree on something! Bernardini was a very special horse & it took a great older male like Invasor to beat him,though not by much.I recall Castellano saying Bernardini struggled on the surface in the BCC,imagine that.Bernardini was better than Barbaro,IMO.

Ranagulzion,

You're slipping buddy.AP Indy was a top-class fall/winter 2yo as well as the ML favorite in the KY Derby,why would you think his progeny lack precocity?... makes no sense at all. AP Indy's immediate pedigree top/bottom with Seattle Slew & Secretariat shows (2) 2yo Champs & (2) TC winners.You can't get any more precocious than that my man.Siring a Derby winner takes alot of luck,you should know better.

Carlos in Cali 23 Nov 2010 9:36 PM

Johnny:

Next race he was not the Fav LAL was. The next race was the Preakness Stakes, both Drf & Equibase charts that the odds for LAL were 2.40-1, for Super Saver the odds 1.90-1.

tcc 23 Nov 2010 10:29 PM

Good on GP's connection to bring him back and I like the DWC goal!  I think he'll do well on tapeta.  At least we get to see one big name coming back next year.

jayjay 23 Nov 2010 10:30 PM

Many, many trainers have said that AP Indy's tend to mature later and need time to develop.  On the whole they tend to not be precocious at 2 or early in their 3 yr old year.  By summer and fall they tend to come into their own.

Footlick 23 Nov 2010 11:38 PM

Jason,

Do you have any information on SA Derby runner up Setsuko? It appears he would have no problems handling the distance of the major G1 races. His sire Pleasantly Perfect goes back to Ribot via grandsire His Majesty. The Ribot sire line needs some life and he looks like the kind of colt that could keep it on radar.  He is by a Mr. Prospector broodmare who are rarely seen as first dame these days. Could he be another Rock Hard Ten who is also via a Mr. Prospector broodmare? His sire came to prominence as a 4YO and we might just be in store for sensational 4YO campaign from this promising colt.

Coldfacts 24 Nov 2010 6:43 AM

Tcc; I new the next race was the Preakness,I stand corrected S.S. was the favorite.

Must of been to excited as I hit the exacta and tri in that race.

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving,if you have your health you have alot.

Johnny 24 Nov 2010 9:50 AM

I think breeding is like the NFL draft, overated you never know where in this sport you will catch lightning in a bottle. It happens all the time.

Big Brown..

Johnny 22 Nov 2010 9:17 PM

Big who? I seem to vaguely remember some horse named Big something or another that finished dead last in a Belmont a few years back losing to a bunch of allowance horses and even a maiden. Is that the Big horse you mean? In a couple of more years 99% will have forgotten him. He was no Curlin, that's for sure.

slyder 24 Nov 2010 10:06 AM

R.A,Bernardini,LAL,Big Brown,Afleet Alex,Smarty Jones the names go on and on.How really good were these horses?

We will never know.

Johnny 23 Nov 2010 4:27 PM

Seriously Johnny we'll never know how good RA was? The rest you listed except Big what's his name i'll give you. Those 4 (LAL, Smarty Jones, Bernardini, and Aflee Alex) were top class animals. RA proved her wins over males were a fluke predeacated by facing some very weak ones and Big what's his name falls in the same category winning big name races against very weak competition. RA got whipped over and over again this year by nothing. It doesn't get any clearer than that, she wasn't as good as people thought.  

slyder 24 Nov 2010 2:02 PM

Coldfacts, I totally agree with your post of 23 Nov 2010 5:50 PM.  But remember that Invasor won in two continents,  not 3.

Riket 24 Nov 2010 2:55 PM

I wanted to do a new blog today but got tied up with other things. I'll have one later this week or early next week. Wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and a safe holiday weekend.

Jason Shandler 24 Nov 2010 3:33 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to all you people.  You too Draynay.

Ted from LA 24 Nov 2010 4:10 PM

COLDFACTS,

You make me laugh this time but not because you're funny.  I quote you:

"All young horses develop with time. Every horse that Barbaro defeated Bernardini beat by more lengths. He won the Preakness in his 4th start. Did you expect Barbaro who won the derby in his sixth start not to improve as the season progressed? What point are you trying to make with the above statement?"

Here is a dose of your medicine Bro. which you apparently forgot or deliberately refused to take, just some cold facts: Bernadini was a March foal whereas Barbaro was an April foal.  One month difference is quite significant in young developing horses therefore please tell me honestly which of these colts was more precocious and which had more scope for improvement as the season wore on?  Gotcha!!

It is true that Barbaro was more suited to turf but he excelled on both turf and dirt as well as revelling in sloppy going.  He was younger than Bernadini but far more battle tested up to the Preakness.  furthermore he already showed the heart of a champion, refusing to quit or be beaten i the Florida Derby against a gutsy Sharp Humor.  Barbaro had his lungs open up in the florida derby and made significant improvement heading into the kentucky derby which he romped.  You did Sharp Humor injustice also as that one went lame in the Kentucky Derby and was never the same thereafter.

I rated bernadini very highly, no doubt about it, but he was lagging behind Barbaro in more than just talent ...you know, the AP Indy effect.

MIKE RELVA,

I see you're trying hard to rub salt into my wound over Quality Road's Breeder's Cup no show.  Sorry Pal it wont work.  That performance was too bad to be true.  It was a toss out race for him and every honest connoisseur of the game know it.

CARLOS in CALI,

I get it.  You're an unrepentant AP Indy & Seattle slew fan.  However you should realize by now that precosity in AP Indy's sire and broodmare sire doesn't necessarily translate into him being a carrier of that trait, of which there is no substantial evidence.  Tell me about Bernadini, Secret Status and Rags to Riches and I say that both you and Coldfacts are grasping at straw like a drowning man.  If siring a kentucky derby winner is all about luck please explain why the Raise a Native and Northern Dancer lines are so successful and why is Dixieland Band such a successful broodmare sire of derby winners.  Pure luck?  I dont think so.  Gotta revise your handicapping angle if you are harbouring hopes of ever picking a Kentucky derby winner buddy.  

Ranagulzion 24 Nov 2010 5:18 PM

Happy Thanksgiving everybody! Hope you have a wonderful day and a great weekend.

Zookeeper 24 Nov 2010 5:19 PM

Happy Turkey Day to everyone.

Paula Higgins 24 Nov 2010 7:49 PM

Happy Turkey Day to you too Jason.

Cigar Mile : Wow, that's a tough field, even the longshots have a shot.  I'm looking at Soaring Empire to hit the board but leaning towards Musket Man for his G1 win with no QR or Blame.  Friend or Foe with Alex Solis looks intriguing also but I'm not still not sure where he fits.

Happy Turkey Day to all you turkeys lol!

jayjay 24 Nov 2010 8:16 PM

RANAGULZION

I brought it up  cause you enjoy taking others' to task. It's never fun when the shoe is on the other foot and you're having to play defense,is it?

Mike Relva 24 Nov 2010 9:00 PM

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I got an early start. I stuffed the turkey a few weeks ago, and it's been sitting on the counter ready to go in the oven. I opened the cranberry sauce a few days ago, and it's in the cupboard. I baked the biscuits last week. I just put the potatoes on the stove and will let them simmer through the night. So really all I have to do is shove the turkey in which I'm about to do now and let it cook through the night (it's a 12 pounder so shouldn't take more than 8 or 9 hours at 450 degrees), and then  make the gravy in the morning, and just let it sit on the stove. The wine has been opened and is on the table breathing as we speak. It didn't even have a cork so everything is pretty simple so far. Basically I'm done except for watching football and eating. Cheers.

Dr Drunkinbum 25 Nov 2010 3:14 AM

LOL, funniest thing I've seen on this blog and I quote Ranagulzion :

"Gotcha!!"

Just thought it was really funny lol.

jayjay 25 Nov 2010 4:46 AM

In California, Richard's Kid is certainly the most accomplished returning handicap horse now that Lookin at Lucky has been retired.  However, while Richard's Kid has won 3 gr.1 races, he doesn't exactly stir the imagination, which is why the promising but untested Twirling Candy and the brilliant but fragile Crown of Thorns were favored over him in the Goodwood.  California has been looking for an older male to really get behind ever since Lava Man left the scene.

While a horse like Rail Trip was generally seen as the best older male in California for much of last year, in my opinion the best older male was actually Misremembered.  This big, long powerfully built chestnut won the 10 furlong Santa Anita Handicap even though his style as a pace presser typically is not flaterred by Pro-Ride.  

And in general, it appears Misremembered is better on dirt and Hollywood's Cushion Track than Pro-Ride.  Misremembered easily defeated the quality 3 year old, ill-fated Grazen, in the Swaps at Hollywood last year, then won the Indiana Derby on dirt and ran 2nd, by a neck to fellow 3 year old Blame, in the Clark.  His next two starts, disappointing runner-ups in the Malibu and Strub indicated that Pro-Ride was likely one of his least preferred surfaces.  He won the Big Cap on talent and class.

With Santa Anita returning to dirt, Misremembered should be able to run his best; as long as Baffert has him ready he will be very, bery tough in races like the San Antonio and Big Cap.

GunBow 25 Nov 2010 5:19 AM

Thanksgiving weekend has always been one of my favorite times for horse racing.  It arrives at a perfect time to revive us from a Breeder's Cup hangover.

The main focus is at Aqueduct, Churchill, and Hollywood Park.

At Aqueduct, the Cigar Mile drew a classy field, with the undercard featuring To Honor and Serve in the Remsen as well as the gr.1 Gazelle, a race Unrivaled Belle ran 2nd in last year.  At Churchill, the Clark drew a very contentious field, with a nice mix of both 3 year olds and those 4and up.  Last year, the Clark 1-2-3 finishers were Blame, Misremembered, and Einstein.

Out here at Hollywood Park, the big Turf Festival races desperately needed outside help, in the form of shippers, in order to meet historical standards.  Fortunately, the Matriarch and Citation(Hollywood Derby yet to be drawn) received this outside help.

The older female turf division in Cali has simply not yet recovered from the tragic death of Tuscan Evening, a mare that won 8 graded stakes races in the year from July 09' to July 10', including 6 in 2010 alone.  Fortunately for racing fans in California, 3 strong shippers are here for the Matriarch.  One, Special Duty, in the Juddmonte colors, won both the English and French 1000 Guineas(even if by dq) and was a group 1 winner at 2.  Here presence is a huge coup for Hollywood Park, another nice gesture from Juddmonte Farm, an operation that has strongly supported the Turf Festival.  Coming from the Midwest for the Matriarch is the gallant Wasted Tears, an absolute win-machine who has repeatedly taken her show on the road.  Finally, from New York there is Gypsy's Warning, returning to SoCal after running a solid 3rd in the gr.1 Yellow Ribbon.

In the Citation, it's possible the top two choices will be shippers, Court Vision and Violon Sacre.  Court Vision is an absolute class standout, having won 4 grade 1 races, and looks very tough.  However, the Cali contingent, made up mostly of Cal-breds, should not be dismissed; Bruce's Dream is an exciting prospect, Enriched is a seasoned warrior, and Colgan's Chip has developed into one of the gamest frontrunners on turf out West.  

GunBow 25 Nov 2010 5:42 AM

Ranagulzion,

“If siring a Kentucky Derby winner is all about luck please explain why the Raise a Native and Northern Dancer lines are so successful and why is Dixieland Band such a successful broodmare sire of derby winners”

The above question is one that I have been asking myself for very long time. I came up with an answer that will make me the subject of unstoppable laughter.

CHURCHILL DOWNS is being haunted by the ghost of Native Dancer. He was nicknamed the Grey host. His only loss in his 22 starts was recorded at Churchill Downs in the KD. His haunt started in 1964 when Northern Dancer won the KD. Northern Dancer’s dame Natalma was sired by Native Dancer. He then sired the 1966 KD winner Kauai King. Three years later his son Raise A Native sired the 1969 KD winner Majestic Prince. It appears between 1970 -19777 Native Dancer’s ghost took a respite but returned with a vengeance between 1980 and 2010. In 1980 Exclusive Native a son of Raise A Native sired 1980 KD winner Affirmed. Between 1981 & 2010 the Native Dancer sire line has been associated with 15 KD winners with 7 of the last 11 winners being from his sire line. A mentioned before Northern Dancer’s dame was sired by Native Dancer. The Northern Dancer sire lines has been associated with 4 KD winners and Northern Dancer broodmare sire line has been associated with 5 of the last 15 KD winners.

Native Dancer lost the KD as the best horse in the field. It appears his ghost will not let this fact be forgotten. What he failed to achieve his grandsons, great grandsons and great, great grandsons have achieved 16 times. It is inconceivable that the Native Dancer sire line has a love affair with Churchill Downs. Consequently, the only plausible explanation is on cited above. The ANGRY ghost of Native Dancer is haunting the place.

Coldfacts 25 Nov 2010 10:10 AM

I sure would like to see the 3yos challenging their elders earlier this coming year, the way they used to. 3yos get significant weight before the fall, which allowed them to win Met Miles and Suburbans, as well as lesser handicaps. It would make a more interesting racing season, too.

Pedigree Ann 25 Nov 2010 10:47 AM

Usual Q T was very rank early and it cost him the BC Turf Mile, or at least he would have made it close--this is a real good horse, he was mishandled--they tried the 1 1/4 Pac Classic right after he dusted them in the Eddie Read--he screamed turf mile but they made a left turn--maybe this year there will be a Gio Ponti/Usual Q T rivalry! Of corse, losing Lookin At Lucky was puzzling--of corse, I would've kept running Zenyatta--why retire her, they got dirt at Santa Anita! Value wise, a mare is worth less--who cares about the foals-- they have her! Race her!

Matthew W 25 Nov 2010 12:31 PM

Coldfacts thank you for you comments about Premier Pegasus--one more thing--he runs with head down low--like AP Indy, John Henry, Snow Chief--horses who figured out how to get better air--I noticed how quickly he pulled up--maybe a furlong! That tells me he's smart, he knew all along what he was supposed to be doing out there--he made the lead, slowed it down, spurted away and hit the wire on top--from where I saw things, he looks like a good one....by the way, Uncle Mo also runs head low, and as of right now I am in no way comparing Premier Pegasus to Uncle Mo, who has impressed me more than any two year old in three decades....

Matthew W 25 Nov 2010 12:39 PM

One of the fastest horses on the planet for the past few years, Cost Of Freedom, races today at Holly...his price will be around even, so I'll give out another Cal-Bred, in the third or fourth: JP Jammer....also on Sat, Bruce's Dream in Citation, not sure he's good enough--but he's good.

Matthew W 25 Nov 2010 12:59 PM

Jason,

I just watched your show previewing the Clarke H. It appears you guys have forgotten that Regal Ransom beat Blame under wraps in the 2009 Super Derby. He was 8th in The 2009 Derby on a muddy tack. He was not even fully three when he ran in the derby. I know his last race was horrible but if that can be tossed he must be the horse to beat.

Coldfacts 25 Nov 2010 4:25 PM

I'm noy sure how good they are, but Asmussen has had quite a few impressive allowance winers at Remington. I say I'm not sure because of the quality of the fields they're facing.

Tim 25 Nov 2010 5:17 PM

Dr. D, I think even if I was starving to death, I'd have to pass on your meal. lol...  

sodapopkid 25 Nov 2010 5:29 PM

COLDFACTS,

I'm not a believer in ghosts but i do recall that Native Dancer's conqueror in the Kentucky Derby was a DARK Star (LOL)

JAY JAY,

I never thought that I'd be able to make you laugh after all the skirmishes we had over Zenyatta and Quality Road. Happy thanksgiving to you my friend.

MIKE RELVA,

By now you must realize I'm a good defender.

Ranagulzion 25 Nov 2010 5:56 PM

Coldfacts,

You left out another ND son who "won" the KD, Dancer's Image in 1968. He was DQ'd a couple of days later for taking Bute, which is of course legal now.

Saratoga AJ 25 Nov 2010 6:57 PM

Carlos In Cali & Coldfacts,

Let us see if Astrology, the 2YO son of AP Indy out of a Quiet American broodmare (similar pedigree configuration to Bernadini) can beat the odds and become a serious Triple Crown aspirant.  Steve Asmussen is quietly confident about his prospects.  I'm picking Major Gain to upset him in the Kentucky Jockey Club Cup, a race won by Derby winner Super Saver last year.  In the Remsen To Honor & Serve (another Bernadini colt) looks like a cinch.  Right now many are raving about him but its too early to tell.  JB's Thunder looked pretty good until he faced Uncle Mo and Boys at Toscanova in the Breeder's cup juvenile so you can expect everyone to try to dodge "Mo" until the Derby.

Coldfacts, It gives me great pleasure to remind you that I told you that JB's Thunder was not ready to face "Mo" in the BC Juvenile.  Its time you start trusting my judgment on these 2YOs (LOL).

Ranagulzion 25 Nov 2010 8:46 PM

DR D: Paramedics are standing by with stomach pumps.  As for football, $%^&#$%...three lousy points.  I had to endure a late night call from my daughter who poured more salt in the wound. The 'Boys almost got it. Roy Williams needed more crazy glue on the ball.  Almost..almost...

And the Ky Racing Commission probably can't hurt Johnny V as much as Go Go Shoot did.  That was a terrifying spill, and I wish jockey and horse well.   Both seemed ok, but no word since the mishap.

Slew 26 Nov 2010 8:04 AM

sodapopkid

   I was wondering why you didn't show up. I bought soda pop just for you. Orange Crush, Nehi Grape, and Tab. Come on over for Christmas. I had enough turkey left over so that I don't have to cook again. It's a little dry so I'll just soak it in water til Christmas. Plus I have some fruitcake from 1963 that I still haven't eaten that we can pop open for the occasion. Jayjay's coming over with a grab bag that will include his $19 Zenyatta bet stub. Slew has promised to come over in a cowboy outfit with her spurs on, and her bullwhip. The punch will be spiked mightily. See ya then !!!!

Dr Drunkinbum 26 Nov 2010 2:22 PM

I'm a huge fan of both General Quarters and Unrivaled Belle. I know that GQ will be back better than ever next year, and hope he makes it to the BCC and wins it in 2011. And for all you doubters out there, I knew UB would win the Ladies Classic. Like most of you, I was hoping Zenyatta would win the classic and race in 2011(Dubai World Cup). It was also great hearing about Larry Jones coming out of retirement,i'll be watching his horses and hoping he wins the KD in 2011.

GQFAN 26 Nov 2010 4:21 PM

Ranagulzion : We do get in a heated argument and I think it shows how much we love the horses we like but it's never personal, we really don't know enough about each other to be personal.  I enjoyed our Zenyatta/Quality Road "debates" specially because Zenyatta beat QR HAHA!  Hope you had a nice thanksgiving day, they should change the name of this holiday to "gorge yourself with food" day.

Dr D : I got a grab bag of sundried shrimp to make cocktails.  I'm also bringing some re-frozen ice cream (left in the trunk for a day but should still be good)

jayjay 26 Nov 2010 11:24 PM

        I am a huge Bernardini Fan !! I am so proud of him as a first crop sire ! Imagine having a stallion that has a Group 1 winner and a Grade I winner in his first crop of foals !With Pulpit and Bernardini , The AP Indy line looks to be the stamina and classic source for generations to come ! Just look at the first three finishers of The Breeders Cup Marathon !!!

Pedigree Shelly 27 Nov 2010 12:11 AM

jayjay

  Yeah, it's still good. I'll mark you down for the ice cream and shrimp. That should make a nice cocktail. You still got those cherries in the back of the cupboard to put on top? I think I saw them there when I came over for the 94 Superbowl.

Dr Drunkinbum 27 Nov 2010 2:19 AM

Jason:

Did you go ahead and throw Redding Colliery, Successful Dan, and Giant Oak in trifecta boxes?  You had all 3 in your top 4 on THS.

How about Giant Oak getting a gr.1?  It's almost destiny that he got it by dq; the big guy is not known for his ability to win close races.  Maybe there is hope for First Dude.

I thought Successful Dan ran a superb race.  He was rank for most of the race, yet still was able to put together a strong stretch run.  He showed great heart and professionalism to move between horses in the stretch and then hold off Giant Oak the final sixteenth after that horse had come up to his neck.  Successful Dan looked alot like Blame, running grimly on the inside to hold off a late challenge.  Successful Dan is a horse that likes to win, and while he officially is not the Clark winner, he was best.  Finally as it concerns Successful Dan, he is versatile, having proven himself to be equally good on synthetic and dirt; all handicap races should be a possibility for him.

Giant Oak got his gr.1, but Wasted Tears couldn't quite do it in the Matriarch.  After appearing as if she was about to stop and finish out of the money at the top of the stretch, Wasted Tears kicked on again, her great heart pushing her late to get 2nd.  But she simply wasn't a match for the impressive Gypsy's Warning, a Graham Motion shipper who was cutting back in distance from a 3rd in a 10 furlong gr.1 at Hollywood.  Hopefully, Team Valor keeps Gypsy's Warning in training as a 6 year old.

Special Duty, the Matriarch favorite, did not look particularly good in the paddock, and ran flat; for a 3-time Euro gr.1 winner, Special Duty has to be better than what she showed in the Matriarch.

GunBow 27 Nov 2010 4:18 AM

Dr. D,   You are to much.   I'm sorry,  but I just cant eat the turkey that had been sitting on the counter since a few weeks ago and the biscuits that you made a week ago,   and now you say you have an ancient fruitcake you want to open,  thanks for the invite but I'll pass on this one..lol...

Dr. D,  I laughed when I first read your post.   It was hilarious.  But hey,  thats what the good doctor, Dr. D is known for....  Keep up the great laughs.. I love reading them,   I will be looking forward to your Christmas dinner post.  I can only imagine that one...lol..

sodapopkid 27 Nov 2010 6:50 AM

DR D: Big shiny spurs, and my date will be Jose Cuervo.  

Clark Handicap was a bumper car edition...lots of wild rides. Hope the Cigar runs a bit smoother.

Slew 27 Nov 2010 8:31 AM

Sad to see Afleet Express go. I wonder how my favorite filly She Be Wild is doing?

Savanna 27 Nov 2010 9:11 AM

Gunbow: I wound up playing Giant Oak to win and in an exacta with Redding Colliery. I also had the late pick 3. Did not have the tri, but youre right, I should have. I'm not complaining though. I was lucky as it was.

Im going with Bribon today in Cigar Mile. Good luck all.

Jason Shandler 27 Nov 2010 12:11 PM

To all fans of Brethren;

Brethren won his second race today, a one mile allowance race at Churchill Downs. Sent off as the favorite, he came from just off the pace to score by 1 3/4 lengths, stopping the timer in 1:36.78. Although it wasn't an extraordinary performance, he was forced to go five wide and wasn't really in any danger of losing.

On a side note, Successful Dan looks like a really good horse. Even though he didn't "win" the Clark, he should be a force next year.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 27 Nov 2010 6:01 PM

          After watching The Remsen Stakes at Aqueduct , To Honor And Serve is the best two year old behind Uncle Mo ! THAS also proved he can run nine furlongs with no problem ! I can't wait till next year for The weeding out of Derby Hopefuls . I hope they all stay safe and sound !

Pedigree Shelly 28 Nov 2010 12:44 AM

jason

you cost both of us some money on to honor and serve.

he ran a 102 beyer with his B game,watch out when rates a little better.

mike rullo 28 Nov 2010 9:36 AM

Ranagulzion,

I merely questioned the validity of your point that a colt that has won two 8.5F races on two different surfaces is incapable of beating a colt that had only gone a 8F. J B’s Thunder was starting on his third different surface and by far the fastest surface he encountered. He did not perform but I would not write him off. Uncle Mo had a very impressive victory and deserve his early 2011 Derby favoritism. Below are the winners BCJ contested at Churchill Downs and the Derby results for the winners:

1988 – Is It true 1:46.60 (1&1/4L) (Track Muddy) Did not figure In Derby

1991 – Azeri 1:44.78 (5L) (Track Fast) Did Not figure In Derby Did not figure In Derby

1994 – Timber Country 1:44.55 (2L) (Track Fast) 3rd Derby

1998 - Answer Lively 1:44.00 (Head) (Track Fast) Did not figure In Derby

2000 - Macho Uno 1:42.05 (Nose) (Track Fast) Did not figure In Derby

2006 – Street Sense 1:42.59 (10L) (Track Fast) 1St Derby

2010 - Uncle Mo 1:42.60 (Pending)

The BCJ/Derby double has only been achieved once. It was done by a colt whose pedigree has a love affair with Churchill Downs.  Street Sense destroyed the 2006 field. However, the field did not include Curlin, Hard Spun or Any Given Saturday. Those colts would prove very competitive against him. You will note Curlin and Given Saturday were from the Raise A Native sire line; Hard Spun from the Northern Dancer sire line. These lines dominate the TC series of races. The pedigrees of one two finishers in the 2010 BCJ are MIA in the derby.

Coldfacts 28 Nov 2010 10:48 AM

Keelerman,

I thought Brethren's win today was very professional.  It would be great to have a mare produce two KY Derby winners, let alone in back to back years.  Now he has to get some graded earnings.

Trebloc 28 Nov 2010 12:48 PM

RANAGULZION

Must be nice to have so much knowledge. Maybe you are related to DRAYNAY.

Mike Relva 28 Nov 2010 2:44 PM

Thoughts and prayers to Gracia, hopefully he recovers well.  RIP Ryan and Jack.

jayjay 28 Nov 2010 3:18 PM

I really think Haynesfield and Fly down have it going for them next year. Drosselmeyer too might have it good. Mabye she Be Wild if her injury heals up. Same thing for Rail Trip if he overcomes injury!

Savanna 28 Nov 2010 9:29 PM

who will be the handicapping stars? One thing for sure on the human side, draynay will be at the bottom of that list. The guy can't handicap his way out of hcp101.

As for the horses there doesn't appear much to look forward to in the older divisions but given time a horse or two or three will emerge.

draynot 29 Nov 2010 2:33 PM

Cost of Freedom shows no sign of giving up.  

Householder 30 Nov 2010 2:18 PM

Baffert has another sprinting "beast" on his hands.  Alcindor.  Look for him in the Malibu Stakes opening day at Santa Anita ON DIRT!

Householder 30 Nov 2010 2:26 PM

Householder

   I think I'll put Alcindor on my HTW list. Thanks. I remember reading a Sport magazine article in the 60's about Lew Alcindor when he was still in High School and they were saying he may turn out to be one of the greatest of all time. There are two horses that have been named Sky Hook. Maybe the greatest shot in basketball history. Unstoppable.

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Dec 2010 12:29 AM

Dr Drunkinbum.  Someone plunked down 1.15 million for the Unbridled's Song out of a Storm Cat mare so they may be thinking Strub series (or going longer) for Alcindor.  He's getting kind of a late start with just 2 races in at 3.  Nothing but bullets prior to his maiden win in 109.45 and then he demolishes an Allowance NW1 by 7 lengths in 1:21.67 for 7 furlongs.  He's huge and looks to be able to rate a little off the pace.

Householder 01 Dec 2010 4:29 PM

Householder

   Very nice information. Wow. It's going to be very interesting to see if he can climb the ladder. And you say he is tall? Makes sense. SA and GP are both going to be great meets with big fields for the most part. The SA Derby will be booked solid I imagine. They'll get more Eastern shippers than usual with dirt and increased purse. Maryland's problems could increase fields elsewhere. It feels more exciting than usual this year with all of the talent out there, and SA's return to dirt with a brand new dirt surface. I wonder what other track the surface resembles?

Dr Drunkinbum 01 Dec 2010 5:26 PM


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