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Guest Blog: The Rivalry Continues

By J. Keeler Johnson

This Saturday, Delaware Park will play host to what may end up being one of the biggest races of the year.

In the track's signature race for older mares-the $750,000 Delaware Handicap (gr. II)-the remarkable fillies Havre de Grace and Blind Luck will continue their rivalry as the heavy favorites against only three other rivals. They will be competing at 1 1/4 miles over the Delaware Park main track oval; the very same oval that started their amazing rivalry just over one year ago.

Five times, Blind Luck and Havre de Grace have gone to post together. Four times they have finished first and second. Three of their meetings have been decided by a neck or less. They have met all over the country, showing off their talent in Arkansas, Kentucky, New York, Pennsylvania, and Delaware.

I have often lamented the fact that the great horse racing rivalries of years past--Affirmed and Alydar, Kelso and Gun Bow, Sunday Silence and Easy Goer-are long gone. Nowadays, it seems like the top horses in this country avoid each other until the Breeders' Cup, when championships are decided upon during the running of a single race. But Havre de Grace and Blind Luck are different. They seem to actively seek each other out to do battle, and I must say that it is great for horse racing.

Their rivalry began somewhat inconspicuously in the 2010 Delaware Oaks--inconspicuously, because it was impossible to foresee the incredible late-summer and fall campaign upon which they were about to embark.

Blind Luck was entering the race as the division leader, off of thrilling stretch-running victories in the Kentucky Oaks (gr. I), the Las Virgenes Stakes (gr. I), and the Fantasy Stakes (gr. II), with close defeats in the Santa Anita Oaks (gr. I) and the Hollywood Park Oaks (gr. II). In contrast, Havre de Grace was an unknown. After finishing third in her first start, she won a maiden special weight and an allowance race. Sent off as the second choice in her stakes debut, the Go For Wand Stakes, she ran well to be second by a neck behind No Such Word. Promising, yes--but proven, no.

This was about to change.

As it turned out, the Delaware Oaks was no easy victory for Blind Luck. Although she did succeed in adding the race to her résumé of victories, she required every last yard of the Delaware Park homestretch to catch Havre de Grace, who turned in a terrific performance in the slop that day to nearly pull off a major upset.

But unlike many horses that nearly or even succeed in pulling off major upsets, Havre de Grace was no fluke. For the remainder of 2010, she proved herself to be the only sophomore filly capable of challenging Blind Luck. In her very next race, she lost by a neck to Blind Luck in the Alabama Stakes (gr. I). She then turned the tables on her more acclaimed rival in the Fitz Dixon Cotillion Stakes (gr. II), holding off Blind Luck's late charge to win the rich event by a neck.

Their final meeting of 2010 came in the Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic, where the results were somewhat anti-climactic. Both fillies fell to defeat behind the older Unrivaled Belle, who turned in the performance of her life under the lights at Churchill Downs. Blind Luck, however, did finish ahead of Havre de Grace by a length.

In conclusion, it was obvious in 2010 that Blind Luck was superior to Havre de Grace, despite their close finishes. In the Delaware Oaks, Blind Luck spotted Havre de Grace six pounds, yet still won. In the Fitz Dixon Cotillion, Blind Luck was forced to give away 10 pounds to Havre de Grace, yet closed from 3 1/2 lengths behind when passing the eighth-pole to nearly catch her light-weighted rival. Thus, when weights are taken into consideration, we find that Blind Luck was indeed superior to Havre de Grace--perhaps as many as five pounds superior.

This year, however, something has changed. Havre de Grace has turned into a superstar. Three starts this year have yielded three victories. In the Azeri Stakes (gr. III), which marked her 2011 debut, Havre de Grace renewed her rivalry with Blind Luck. Only this time, the results were different. Havre de Grace left Blind Luck in her dust.

In a performance superior to anything she showed in 2010, Havre de Grace got the jump on her previously superior rival and left her far behind. After sitting a few lengths off of the early lead, Havre de Grace launched her bid for the lead and swept past her rivals with breathtaking speed. She powered into the homestretch with a decisive lead and drew off to win by 3 1/4 lengths over Blind Luck, who could present only a mild rally to finish second.

Since then, neither filly has lost. Havre de Grace turned in a stunning performance to win the Apple Blossom (gr. I); then easily won the Obeah Stakes (gr. III) last month at Delaware Park in preparation for this race. Blind Luck overcame a stumbling start to win the La Troienne Stakes (gr. II) over Unrivaled Belle; then flew to victory in the Vanity Handicap (gr. I).

On Saturday, they will meet again at the racetrack where it all started, just over a year ago; in a race that will likely hold a great deal of weight in determining who gets the division's Eclipse award-and perhaps even Horse of the Year-for 2011.

Unlike last year, when Blind Luck was the filly giving away weight, Havre de Grace's decisive victory over her rival in the Azeri-and subsequent domination of her succeeding races-has earned her top weight in this field at 124 pounds. Blind Luck, on the other hand, will be carrying 122.

It is unlikely that any of the other three entries will be able to beat the two amazing 4-year-olds. Life at Ten, winner of this race last year, is the third choice on the morning line and will carry only 115 pounds. However, she has shown very little in three starts this year, perhaps her best performance being a decent fourth in the Ogden Phipps Handicap (gr. I) last time out. If she is at her very best on Saturday, she could pose a threat to Blind Luck and Havre de Grace-but whether or not she will show her best is the question.

Thundering Emilia and Love's Bush, both 20-1 on the morning line, are indeed longshots, but may have a shot at cracking the trifecta. Thundering Emilia has made 21 starts, with the first 20 coming in South America, where she was a group III winner and group I-placed. Her lone start in the United States yielded a second-place finish in the John W. Rooney Memorial Stakes. Trained by Michael Matz, I would not be surprised at all if she triggered some sizable trifecta payoffs.

Love's Bush is a stakes winner, having won the All Brandy Stakes at Laurel in 2009, but her last victory came in an allowance optional claiming race 13 months ago. Her two starts this year have yielded fifth- and seventh-place finishes in the Dahlia Stakes and an allowance race, respectively.

For the record, I think that less than a length will separate Havre de Grace and Blind Luck at the finish of this race, but who will finish first is hard to say. I'll pick Havre de Grace, simply because I believe that she has more turn of foot than Blind Luck and will get the jump on her rival turning for home. For third, I'll pick Thundering Emilia.

In other Saturday racing news...

The $600,000 Virginia Derby (gr. II) at Colonial Downs has drawn a fabulous field of 3-year-olds, led by the up-and-coming colts Street Game and Banned. Run over 1 1/4 miles on turf, the Virginia Derby will likely be used by many of these colts as a prep race for the grade I Secretariat Stakes next month.

Street Game made his first three starts without blinkers on, and lost them all. His next three starts have come with blinkers on, and since then, he has not lost. After breaking his maiden by 10 3/4 lengths, he proceeded to easily win an allowance race by two lengths and destroy the Hill Prince Stakes (gr. III) by 7 1/4 lengths. He will be racing farther than ever before on Saturday, but is rapidly improving and may be good enough to take this field gate-to-wire.

Banned is the exact opposite of Street Game. Unlike Street Game, Banned prefers to bide his time off the pace before rocketing past his rivals with his breathtaking turn of foot. In the American Turf Stakes (gr. II) back in May, he was all of 7 1/2 lengths off the lead with just five-sixteenths of a mile to go. However, that didn't stop him from powering away to a 4 1/2-length victory. A subsequent victory in the paceless four-horse Jefferson Cup Stakes (gr. III) followed, and it is apparent that Banned can handle just about any pace scenario.

Another logical Virginia Derby contender is Air Support. A deep closer-he comes from even farther back than Banned-he has fallen to defeat behind both Street Game and Banned in the past. But the two-time graded stakes winner appears to be screaming for additional ground, and should relish the distance of Saturday's race.

Thirtyfirststreet, winner of the Lone Star Derby in his turf debut, could provide a challenge for Street Game early, as he prefers to run near the lead. And don't be surprised to see Callingahardten flying down the homestretch late in the race if the pace is even remotely quick. And Crimson China, from the Graham Motion barn, looked good winning the Lamplighter Stakes in late May with a sharp late run. Whoever wins, the finish will likely be thrilling.

I will go out on a limb and pick Callingahardten to win, although I do realize that he is going to have to step up to beat such a magnificent group of horses as these. But I think that he can do it.

Who do you like?

J. Keeler Johnson ("Keelerman") is a racing enthusiast and blogs at triplecrowncountdown.blogspot.com

88 Comments:

I think the distance and what Blind Luck did with it last summer at Saratoga against the best gives the edge to her.  She also has a win over Havre de Grace at Delaware.

Householder 15 Jul 2011 1:45 PM

I'll root for any progeny of Rock Hard Ten, let's hope you are right!

DanC 15 Jul 2011 1:47 PM

Another great guest blog.  Havre de Grace all the way.

Bob from Boston 15 Jul 2011 2:32 PM

my vote is for the iron filly. havre de grace is a worthy opponent and the race should (i hope) be great, whichever horse wins.

papillon 15 Jul 2011 3:18 PM

this will be a decisive win by Blind Luck.

Life at ten is not the same after the mess made in the BC ladies classic and her value will just keep going down.

Jon 15 Jul 2011 8:50 PM

Keelerman,

Great blog too.  This should be a good one in Delaware tomorrow.  It's hard to pick between these two fillies, I like them both.  Love the connections (Rick Porter) and trainer Larry Jones of Havre de Grace and also those of Blind Luck.  Who was Carson City, I notice he is in both of the pedigrees of these fillies, one on the dam's side and one on the sire's side I think?  I'll say Havre de Grace and her HardSpunesque connections put the coup de grace on her foes tomorrow.

As far as the Virginia Derby is concerned I don't know all that much about the contenders.  All I can say is I'm so glad Shackleford is NOT in it and is entered in the Haskell.  Good luck to them though in VA, may they all play a good Street Game and not get Banned from Thirtyfirststreet by Callingahardten!

Alex'sBigFan 15 Jul 2011 9:53 PM

Havre de Grace will win I think. But love Blind Luck too. Girls rule.

Paula Higgins 15 Jul 2011 10:33 PM

Have wins with ease.  Blind Luck is no where near as good at 4.

Draynay 16 Jul 2011 5:16 AM

Nice blog Mr. Johnson.  I kind of like Blind Luck this afternoon.  Many don’t realize the hectic schedule that she had run leading up to the Azeri, something like 12 races in 13 months, without much of a break.  She was probably a little tired and stale that day (already her third race of the year) and HDG was fresh as it was her first race in 4 ½ months since the Breeders Cup.  She appears to be back on track now so if anything, we should be left with a clear cut leader of the division after today.

LAZMANNICK 16 Jul 2011 7:23 AM

Man, I gotta go with Blind Luck just because she has shown she is a throw back to the great horse of old winning everywhere she is sent. A sentimental choice. And I'm going with Banned, he seems to be Kitten's Joys best son so far. And Kitten was a great grass horse if ever there was one.

barryaksarben 16 Jul 2011 9:54 AM

Alex'sBigFan;

I loved your paragraph regarding the Virginia Derby!

Carson City was a talented, but perhaps inconsistent, son of Mr. Prospector. As a juvenile, he won the Sapling Stakes (gr. II) and placed in the Tyro Stakes. As a three-year-old, he won the Fall Highweight Handicap (gr. II) under 131 pounds and took the Boojum Handicap (gr. III) as well. However, he was never quite up to a grade I race, finishing off the board in the Hopeful, Vosburgh, and Breeders' Cup Sprint--his three attempts at a top-caliber race.

However, he was a top-caliber sire, getting his 100th stakes winner earlier this year. He was also a fine broodmare sire, with his daughters producing the likes of Havre de Grace and Barbaro. City Zip and Pollard's Vision are among his prominent sons, with the latter being the sire of Blind Luck.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 11:34 AM

What a great race it should be. I think it will be a close finish

but the added distance should give Blind Luck the edge. They are both amazing fillies.

AnneM 16 Jul 2011 11:56 AM

Bad news Havre De Grace fans, your filly has just been endorsed by Draynay!

Laz- I think Blind Luck has a heck of a shot in here. If go-go doesn't leave her with too much to do I think she'll get there. The extra distance should help.

Stevebiscuit 16 Jul 2011 3:16 PM

I too like both of these fillies. I have to give the edge to Havre De Grace. I love her connections. They have brought us some really good race horses. Hard Spun, Eight Bells, Winslow Homer, Old Fashioned are but a few.  Also Havre De Grace is a town here in Maryland. I really like Blind Luck too, but I think she falls short today. I don't expect anything from life at Ten and hope she runs well, but I will not be dissapointed if she does not run well. Poor girl, I think that fiasco at the Breeders cup really screwed up her mind.

Criminal Type 16 Jul 2011 4:07 PM

It's bright and sunny at Delaware Park today, the track is fast, and no horses have scratched from the Delaware Handicap. It should be a fair race.

What will the final time be? Over or under 2:02? The track doesn't seem to be playing particularily fast today. I say that they hit the wire in about 2:01 3/5. What do you all think?

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 4:49 PM

Twenty-one minutes until post time. Havre de Grace is currently the 1-5 favorite, with Blind Luck at 5-2, but I suspect that the odds will even out as post time nears. Life at Ten is 8-1, Thundering Emilia 25-1, and Love's Bush 50-1.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 5:17 PM

I thought Blind Luck would have the edge with the distance and the slight weight advantage.  It was an epic battle and for me salvages what has been at best a disappointing year across most divisions.  This race was easily the highlight of the year.

I give all props to Blind Luck and her connections for traveling East AGAIN to face her rival.  She is campaigned in the old school way!  If these two girls continue to do well this year, one of them is Horse of the Year.  

Runfast159 16 Jul 2011 6:00 PM

What an amazing race! Both Blind Luck and Havre de Grace ran winning races, and it was sad that one of them had to lose, but Blind Luck edged out her rival for the fourth time to win by a head. Havre de Grace, who seemed a bit headstrong early on, finished well clear of the rest of the field -- perhaps eight or ten lengths clear. Life at Ten finished third, followed by Love's Blush and Thundering Emilia. The final time was 2:01 1/5.

I see many more close battles between these magnificent fillies in the near future -- perhaps they will meet in the Personal Ensign Stakes (gr. I) at the end of the Saratoga meet!

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 6:02 PM

Draynay

How much did you have on the Blind Luck - HDG Ex?

LAZMANNICK 16 Jul 2011 6:05 PM

Guess Blind Luck isn't quite as behind as some thought, eh?

Footlick 16 Jul 2011 6:10 PM

Oh Draynay! I thought west coast horses had no heart! Havre De Grace had absolutely no excuses. Home track advantage, had everything her own way and it still wasn't enough to hold off the best in the west and now the whole country, Blind Luck. Looks like another eclipse award is going to a California horse. I can't wait to hear your petty excuses! How many times does Blind Luck have to beat Havre De Grace before you people understand! LOL!

Stevebiscuit 16 Jul 2011 6:20 PM

 WOW!!!  I just got back from a vacation in Big Sur.  I walked in the door, turned on TVG and the horses were going to the gate for the Delaware Handicap.  What a race.  Blind Luck shipped back there and beat that filly in her own back yard AGAIN.  The other filly ran big also.  I haven't seen the chart yet but they had to be ten or fifteen in front of Life At Ten.  What a race.  Congrats to the top two.

Smoking Baby 16 Jul 2011 6:29 PM

Well done by both fillies, but oh Blind Luck, how I love thee! Is there any horse that tries harder than her?

Tiznowbaby 16 Jul 2011 6:30 PM

Wow, Draynay, another one of those lousy California horses comes East and beats the heralded NTRA leader, already crowned HOY by so many.  Whoops.  I can already hear Dray, AAF and the others who said this was the best horse running in the country come up with their excuses.  The 2 pound weight differential will probably be foremost, of course.  But I wonder what was tougher, toting 2 extra pounds on your home course or flying across the country once again to meet head to head.  If this were the World Series, the champion would have already been crowned: 4-2 straight up.

This was easily the race of the year.  What a stirring stretch drive between these 2 exceptional fillies.  I think Jerry Hollendorfer had his filly at the top of her game. He smartly let her regain her confidence in the La Troienne after her 5 straight runner-up finishes and then had a sterling win in the G1 Vanity.  Meanwhile, HGD won impressively against nothing in the G3 Obeah.  I think JH had the smarter training regimen and my guess is this race will finally shut up those who were dismissing BL.  Then again, probably not.  Lol.  Congrats to her connections and to their champion filly with the huge heart.        

oso7 16 Jul 2011 7:05 PM

The turf course is labeled firm at Colonial Downs today. No horses have scratched from the Virginia Derby. There are a couple of jockey changes, however -- Malcolm Franklin will be aboard Casino Host and Frederic Lenclud will ride The Waco Kid.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 7:33 PM

Was there ever an easier exacta box than Blind Luck and Havre de Grace?  Double your money.  Ted from LA hit it hard.  That 19 lengths back to third place finisher had Ted from LA placing side bets and playing cards during the race.

Bob from Boston 16 Jul 2011 9:19 PM

Air Support held off a late run from Banned to win the Virginia Derby in a very sharp 2:00 4/5 for the mile and a quarter. Both were far from the early pace, a moderated one set by Street Game and Thirtyfirststreet. Air Support got the jump on Banned rounding the final turn and held tough through the final sixteenth.

Casino Host finished a close up third, followed by Newsdad, who simply flew past everyone else to finish fourth. Street Game came home fifth. Callingahardten made a bold run at the leaders rounding the far turn but did not sustain it.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 16 Jul 2011 9:48 PM

Well that was a great race. Blind Luck was on her game. So was Havre de Grace. She "lost" by maybe 2-3 inches if that. Nereid and Cambina had a great race as well. Good to see John Shirreffs do well today.

Paula Higgins 16 Jul 2011 10:35 PM

Love you Blind Luck!

MRO 16 Jul 2011 10:37 PM

As usual, Blind Luck did not have things her way--Thats some nice mare she beat--face it, she had the better trip, by far--five clear--That is some high-headed little mare--I so don't want them to make her prove it v males--prove what? Don't do it, either one, keep them against fillies--Blind Luck has nothing to prove, and she casts her own shadow--in a blase season of under achieving male horses--there is greatness--I bet her on the nose, and she won by a nose and she shouldn't have won but that's Blind Luck.....

Matthew W 17 Jul 2011 12:37 AM

I was simply overjoyed that Blind Luck won.  What tremendous heart both those fillies have.  That stretch drive was Alydar/Affirmed, Easy Goer/Sunday Silence all over again.  I wish Larry Jones was as classy as his filly.  He usually is but not yesterday.  Looks like Larry Jones is using the weight differential as an excuse. Even says he shouldn't have run her. I guess he forgot his filly won by over 3 lengths in the Azeri. Maybe he should have tried a tougher race than the Obeah to get her tightened for the Del Cap? Or skipped the Del Cap altogether and gone where? Another G3?? Geez, I'd expect the sour grapes from some trainers but not him. From The Bloodhorse:

www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... el-cap-win

Jones was grousing about the weight assignment afterward.

“Tell me two pounds does not make a difference,” he said. “She won six grade I’s versus our one and we are the high weight; that makes a lot of sense. I probably should not have run.”

oso7 17 Jul 2011 4:42 AM

WOW!

Well, that more than lived up to the billing.  Early leader for race of the year.  Amamzing stretch duel from the best rivaly, by far, in the sport.  It doesn't get better than that.  The time was fast, and they were over 18 lengths clear of Life at Ten back in 3rd.  Where would we be without the females?

With Blind Luck winning, the spoils went to connections that have sought out the biggest races across the country, and to a filly that has never backed down from these demanding challenges.  Like last year, it's been Blind Luck traveling far away from her home base to meet Havre de Grace, Blind Luck criss-crossing the country multiple times; she's now won 3 big stakes in a row, from Kentucky, to California, and then to Delaware.  And for her career, Blind Luck now has won over $3 million and 10 graded stakes.  

I'm not trying to pretend I'm objective; I've seen Blind Luck run in person 8 times and am a huge fan.  But I really respect Havre de Grace, and I expected her to win.  I'm sure, like Larry Jones, some Havre de Grace fans are going to point to the 2 lbs, and I certainly can't say it didn't matter.  But, ultimately it's scoreboard; the race was right there for either of them, but Blind Luck did just a little more.  Like after the Cotillion when Blind Luck lost a nose giving Havre de Grace 10 lbs, the key thing people are going to remember about the 2011 Del Cap is that Blind Luck finished ahead of Havre de Grace, something she has now done in 4 of their 6 meetings.

GunBow 17 Jul 2011 5:58 AM

Excellent blog, just now finding it after the race. Was wanting Blind Luck, i have a thing for Luck so have always wished any horse with the name luck in it success.

Blind Luck does not give up. The race was exciting, the best one i watched. She is amazing and I would imagine the rivalry will continue.

But for now, I believe Blind Luck has rightfully earned the title of the best in her division after her latest win.

And Blind Luck proved she is as good at 4! And she did it with sore feet according to Hollendorfer.

For Life at Ten, i wonder how she would do on Turf? And has she tried it before. I am not able to find that information

Linda in Texas 17 Jul 2011 9:53 AM

And can we also mention the American Oaks.  Another great race.  I just love Cambina.  She is so game.

Footlick 17 Jul 2011 10:12 AM

Blind Luck is a throw back to the old days when horses went where the races were and took on all comers and for that reason I picked her and she won and will continue to do so . She is my pick for HOY right now,

barryaksarben 17 Jul 2011 6:33 PM

WOW!  What a race!  Glad Blind Luck won!  I think she's awesome!  I was thinking earlier this year that she might be a little tired and in need of a break but it looks like she's back!  Great call as usual Draynay!  Can't you ever just make a pick without adding in negativity?

Racingfan 17 Jul 2011 6:55 PM

Linda in Texas, Life At Ten did try turf back in September of '09. From the chart, it says she ran third to the 3/4, then tired and finished 7th. of 8, about 12 lengths back. She just isn't coming back, I hate to say.

Mary Zinke 17 Jul 2011 10:13 PM

In defense of Larry Jones.

Any attempt to maintain  that  small  differences in weight carried do not matter, results in this absurdity.

Let us say that the difference in weight must be at least 10 pounds for it to matter, as some commentators claim. (For argument any number can be used).

Suppose the following.

There are 3 horses in a race who are equal in all respects so that in a race they should theoretically finish in a triple dead heat.

In an upcoming race the horses are assigned weights as follows:

High One   131 lbs

Mid Two     127 lbs

Low Three 120 lbs.

In this scenario, Low Three should finish ahead of High One because the weight difference is more than 10 lbs.

Mid Two should finish  in a dead heat with the others because the difference between him and the others is less than 10 pounds.

This results in an absurdity.

The only way to deal with this is to admit that every pound counts. The greater the weight conceded, the greater the disadvantage.

Larry  Jones is right.

It is not a fair contest when the weight for age scale is not used. In this case, the better horse lost. The excitement should not cloud the facts.

JerseyBoy 18 Jul 2011 6:49 AM

If two lbs is going to make a difference in the outcome of this race then what did the weight spread do for the HGC?  Wasn't Twirling Candy giving more weight than Havre de Grace did?  I personally don't see the weight spread as being that significant.  Havre de Grace just couldn't hold Blind Luck off.  Both horses ran a great race.  But if we are going to talk weight spreads then we need to re-evaluate Twirling Candy's performance in the Gold Cup.

Footlick 18 Jul 2011 9:34 AM

Linda in Texas;

Life At Ten has made on start on turf, that race coming at Belmont Park on September 30th, 2009. In a nine furlong allowance race, she tired to finish seventh of eight. However, she does have a decent record on synthetic tracks, as she made her first five starts at Hollywood Park, Keeneland, and Santa Anita. In those five starts, she finished first once, second three times, and third once.

I would be curious to see how she would perform on turf now. Her dam, Rahrahsixboomba, won only a single race, but it was on turf. Maybe she would like it at this point in her career.

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 18 Jul 2011 12:00 PM

I must say that was a hell of a horse race. For those 2 to pull 18 clear of Life At Ten and finish noses apart is amazing. They ran the race in a great time also. The VA Derby was great too, I missed out on the tri b/c I had Crimson China on the bottom, but Banned and Air Support were good bets. Air Support always needed more distance, and Banned had won his last two rather easily. Can not wait for the Spa and Del Mar to open. Have a good week.

Billy's Empire 18 Jul 2011 1:42 PM

They don't come any better than Blind Luck.  She has stood up to the test of time.  She has traveled so many times that her frequent flyer miles should exceed any other horse's in the past couple of years.  She is all heart and she gives her best especially when she has her game on and is well rested you can't find a more harder working mare.  

Guiness 18 Jul 2011 4:55 PM

I have a question for all who are condoning the wieghts since HDG lost to BL.  If HDG had won the race would the weights make a difference to you then?

Guiness 18 Jul 2011 6:29 PM

 Footlick.  I totally agree.  Thank You.  I wonder had Havre de Grace carried 129 pounds and (only) won by a half length would she be subjected to the same thrashing that Zenyatta had last year when having to apologize for a win?  NO WAY...She's an east coast horse so the same rule don't apply.  The fact is that Larry Jones thought he had the best horse in the country (who knows, maybe he still does), accepted the weight assignments, ran his filly and came up short.  Sometimes you get beat.  John Sadler accepted narrow defeat like a gentleman, shouldn't Larry Jones do the same?

Smoking Baby 18 Jul 2011 7:40 PM

Keelerman,

What a race with these two awesome fillies!  Filly Power!  They did not disappoint, it was great, neck and neck to the wire.  What could be better?

You sound like you were there at Del Park to watch?  It's a great little track indeed.  The weight discrepancy thing sounds a little silly but I guess 2 lbs. could make a difference?  Why don't they just let them race at the same weight and may the best of them win.  I can understand Larry and Mr. Porter being upset.

Thank you for the background info on Carson City.  Very informative and interesting.

On to the Haskell for me in 2 weeks!!!  Yippeeeeeee!!!

Alex'sBigFan 18 Jul 2011 10:50 PM

JerseyBoy:

Like I wrote in my earlier comment, I'm not going to argue that the 2 pound weight spread had no impact.  But, if weight does have an impact, it's only logical to assume that the impact of 2 lbs is less than the impact of 10 lbs.  Havere de Grace conceded 2 lbs; it's certainly something, but I really don't think it's all that significant.  As Smoking Baby wrote, Larry Jones understood the terms of the race(the handicap wieght spread) beforehand, and chose to run Havre de Grace.  

Ultimately, most of the debate over those infamous 2 lbs will dissolve over time, and what people will remember is that Blind Luck and Havre de Grace put on an amazing show, but that Blind Luck was just a little better.  It really is as simple as scoreboard.  Blind Luck gets another race in her win column, just as Havre de Grace did in the Cotillion last year.  

If we're going to talk about the impact of weight spreads in the Blind Luck-Havre de Grace rivaly, I would think the 10 lbs Blind Luck spotted Havre de Grace in the Cotillion would be front and center.  Yet, I don't see an asterisk in their past performances nor do I see people counting the Cotillion as a win for Blind Luck given 10 lbs is most certainly worth a neck.  No, everyone acknowledges Havre de Grace won the Cotillion, just as Blind Luck won the Del Cap.  In the end, that's really all that matters.

GunBow 18 Jul 2011 11:56 PM

Smoking Baby- Exactly.  It is  disheartening to read the whining that is coming out of Havre de Grace's camp.  Obviously they thought they were a shoo-in to win the race.  So when she lost, suddenly the whining starts.  And to say after the race was over that they just shouldn't have run because they had to give Blind Luck, who was beaten easily by their filly earlier in the year, TWO lbs is lame.  Blind Luck gave her 10 lbs last year and Hollendorfer took the loss graciously.  But I am very disappointed in the statements coming out of that camp.  

Footlick 19 Jul 2011 1:36 AM

Guiness- then they would be saying how great Havre de Grace was for giving Blind Luck two lbs and beating her.  Blind Luck is a smaller filly that Havre de Grace, so to be absolutely technical you would have to compute weight carried to the body weight of the horse and then whoever got the higher percentage would be the horse who would actually be at the greater disadvantage.  They could carry equal weights but a lighter filly could be handicapped more than a bigger one.  It isn't all cut and dry.  There are variables involved, so there is not an exact science as to how many lengths a lb equals because it really depends on the horse.

Footlick 19 Jul 2011 1:51 AM

Blind Luck has ran so many times outside of California she is starting to look like an "Eastern" horse.  I would be upset with the weights too if I were Jones.  Blind Luck has 6 Grade 1s including a win at Saratoga at 1 1/4 against Devil May Care while Havre de Grace has just 1 Grade 1 win choosing to remain at Deleware instead of traveling.  To even speak of giving the HOY out in July...this is what happens.  Now she gets thrown to the boys to try to make ammends?  Good luck Jones.  Perhaps the Breeders' Cup Classic?  Not too many girls win that one.

Gomez is the difference this year with Blind Luck and getting her away from that crazy Santa Anita surface. Notice he had her a lot closer than her previous riders.

"Old School."  Hollendorfer put Blind Luck on a 2 hour van ride from Del Mar to the Ontario airport last summer.  She ships into New York where she is again loaded and subjected to a 15 hour van ride to Saratoga Springs.  What does she do?  Comes out and takes the Alabama in what was Hollendorfer's 3-4 start EVER at Saratoga.  

Here's to the new "Iron Lady" and Norther California trainers (Bonde with Smiling Tiger the other) with some legitimate BC candidates.

Householder 19 Jul 2011 2:58 PM

Have wins with ease.  Blind Luck is no where near as good at 4.

Draynay 16 Jul 2011 5:16 AM

Benn away for awhile and it's not surprising to come back and see draynay hasn't learned how to pick a winner even if they are the favorite. Great race from the best older fillies in the land. What a difference a year makes at the top of the heap, this years talent is nothing compared to last years HOY.

draynot 19 Jul 2011 3:30 PM

The great thing about Blind Luck is that she's no purely a closer that just makes one run. She can move up on the field to establish a better tactical position and then go right back to galloping along. Anyone who saw her win in the Hollywood Starlet would know she doesn't always just nip her rivals on the wire, but when she does she's dead game and won't stop fighting until she beats you. She doesn't care if it's your home track and you've had everything your way pace-wise or that everyone is saying you're the best in the nation, she'll beat you anyway. I don't think there's anyone this year that she can't beat at a mile and a quarter on dirt, male or female. I don't know why anyone would knock this filly because frankly, what's not to like? She takes her show on the road and gives it her all every time. She may not have had the same class Zenyatta had, but boy does she have heart! To Zenyatta, racing was just a game, one that she excelled at better than any other horse in training. We never saw her pin her ears back because we never saw her give it her all. She won for fun, that was her way. Blind Luck on the other hand is always tough as nails right down to the wire. She gives it everything she's got because she knows that she is a racehorse. People knocked Zenyatta's abilities as a racehorse because of the decisions her human connections made(which to me is idiotic), but just imagine what things would have been like had she been handled by the same connections as Blind Luck! When I watch Blind Luck's wins I just add on 3 lengths and say "that could have been Zenyatta". Zenyatta might have lost more than once, but her greatness would have reached a new plateau (if it's possible to even imagine that). I just hope everyone can appreciate Blind Luck for what she is, or as Steve Haskin put it: "a thoroughbred in every sense of the word".

Stevebiscuit 19 Jul 2011 9:10 PM

Ramon got her beat.  Hand riding into stretch and waiting until Blind Luck pulled along side ?  Terrible.  The 2 lbs should NEVER be there again it was the difference.  Let them run even up and see who wins. The Spa starts in 2 days and I am all over Gayego !!!

Draynay 20 Jul 2011 12:31 PM

I hope all of you put a lot of money on Blind Luck come Breeders Cup day.  The weights will be the same and Harve will win.  Blind Luck needed those 2 pounds to win they won't be there in November.

Draynay 20 Jul 2011 12:36 PM

I don't think Blind Luck is 1,000 pounds dripping wet and looks to be about 15 hands.  9 of 21 races outside of California with 2 wins and a place at CD.  This sets her up nice come Breeder's Cup time. I just read that she lost a shoe in the La Tro at CD a still beat U-Bell.  Amazing...

Householder 20 Jul 2011 2:42 PM

DRAYNAY

Yeah,Grace wins like she DID last week,right? Stop crying about two lbs. When things don't work out for you which is often, you invent an excuse.

Mike Relva 20 Jul 2011 6:29 PM

OSO7

Regarding Dray,AAF they don't know what a great horse is and then they ALWAYS spin when they are wrong....which is 99% everytime they open their mouth.

Mike Relva 20 Jul 2011 6:35 PM

DRAYNAY

Never heard you complaining when BL spotted Grace TEN pounds earlier.

Mike Relva 20 Jul 2011 6:37 PM

Thank you Mary and Keelerman for your answers to my question re: Life at Ten. Interesting she did so much better on synthetics. I think i would go back to that if she likes that surface and does better on it. I simply hope she is not finished racing, but it is not looking promising.

And Draynot, when Jason signed off bidding adieu as he was off on his vacation he asked us to "play nicely." So i did. Til now. As I have to agree with you though regarding Draynay, it just seems some things never change no matter how long we are away. It's like watching a soap opera.

Draynay, her name is Havre not Harve. Must have just been a typo

on your part. Sometimes i feel sorry for you because i know you are setting yourself up for embarrassment. I am glad you are all over Gayego, i am sure it is a warning to those who might have had him in their sights!

I must admit though once in a while you throw enough 'stuff' out there some of it sticks on the wall and you are correct.

I enjoy you Draynay, because some days i need a chuckle. And i respect your grandfather.

Jason, it is the 20th, hope you are back safely.

Linda in Texas 20 Jul 2011 7:33 PM

Draynay and AAF,Billy's Empire must all be related..... the crybabies club.

Mike Relva 21 Jul 2011 12:48 PM

Before the race:

Have wins with ease.  Blind Luck is no where near as good at 4.

Draynay 16 Jul 2011 5:16 AM

After the race:

The 2 lbs should NEVER be there again it was the difference.  Let them run even up and see who wins.

Draynay 20 Jul 2011 12:31 PM

I hope all of you put a lot of money on Blind Luck come Breeders Cup day.  The weights will be the same and Harve will win.  Blind Luck needed those 2 pounds to win they won't be there in November.

Draynay 20 Jul 2011 12:36 PM

draynay why don't you just get lost?!! 2 lbs isn't anything to give. In the past you have made claims thet 5 lbs is nothing. To top it off you KNEW BEFORE the race there was a 2 lb difference and still claimed Hav would win with ease anyway. You picked the wrong horse just like you always do. Then like a spoiled brat you rant and whine because you inevetably choose the loser and can't handle it.

mr pibb 21 Jul 2011 2:58 PM

We've already seen what happens when they are equal weighted, Grace was better by 4 lengths at Oaklawn a track BL loves.  

AfleetAlexForever 21 Jul 2011 3:52 PM

According to AAF, 2 pounds equal 4 lengths. Wow! Who knew???

Jason, welcome back. Hope you had a nice vacation. New blog soon?

Zookeeper 21 Jul 2011 4:38 PM

AAF

So HDG beat BL by 3 1/4L in the Azeri at equal weights and the 2 lbs. she had to give in the Del. Cap. meant a 3 1/4 length differential.  Wow.  I explained to you that BL was a tired and stale filly in the Azeri and HDG was fresh.  The difference is that Blind Luck improved off her 6 week rest and is now the filly that HDG couldn’t handle when getting a 6 lb. break last year in the Del. Oaks and barely hung on when getting a 10 lb. break in the Cotillion.  

Can you please give us an update of your conversation with Mr. Porter?  You said that you called him and advised him regarding what his next move should be.  Did he confirm anything with you yet?  We’re all anxious to hear.  Maybe the answer from here on in is for them to avoid handicaps.

LAZMANNICK 21 Jul 2011 5:50 PM

AAF

A response I would expect from a sore loser. What were you saying on NTRA Wes? Think it goes something like "Grace wins by five". lmao

Mike Relva 21 Jul 2011 5:58 PM

Afleetalexforever, are you joking? Do you have any idea of the kind of weights Blind Luck has had to spot Havre De Grace in the past? And don't pretend like Havre De Grace was at any disadvantage in the Azeri. She also loves Oaklawn and benefited from Blind Luck's foot soreness. Face it, Havre De Grace can't beat Blind Luck at her best. Dominguez said Grace gave everything she had and it still wasn't enough. The fact is, Blind Luck has beaten Havre De Grace 4 out of 6 times, and the 2 races she lost she had legitimate excuses. When Havre de Grace lost, she had no excuses. Time to face facts, the better filly won. Move on.

Stevebiscuit 21 Jul 2011 6:45 PM

mr. pibb, I guess it's the only way California horses can win you have to give them a few pounds.  Blame had to give The California Poly Champion (restricted) 5 pounds and STILL lost.

Draynay 21 Jul 2011 7:35 PM

I am in a good mood so I will give you all the Saratoga early DD.  Rocky World has gotten much better with each race and Julien taking over does nothing but improve his chances but I am going with Tapitdar.  A patient ride should make all the difference and Prado may be what Tapitdar needs right now.  Race 2 should be a bit easier.  Everything points to Chardsey for the win.  Well bred and trainer is winning at 22% 2nd time out.  Could Poliziotto surprise ?  Maybe but Lezcano is the one to beat.

Draynay 21 Jul 2011 7:46 PM

Draynay, Havre De Grace couldn't even beat Blind Luck at her home track, plus Blind Luck already beat her by a length last year in the Breeders Cup. Havre De Grace should avoid Blind Luck at all costs.

Stevebiscuit 21 Jul 2011 10:42 PM

Two pounds does NOT equal four lengths.  It equals 32 ounces.

Bob from Boston 22 Jul 2011 12:38 PM

Its obvious that this is developing into another east vs west coast rivalry.  Its fine also, because the only one to EVER duck was Blind Luck when she wasnt ready to try to take on Gracie in the Apple Blossom although Hollendorfer stated after the Azeri trouncing that they were pointing to the Apple Blossom. What happened there, oh, sore feet, too many races, too much travel, needing a confidence builder, she wasnt ready to face Grace again, she needed a new jockey, she cant be hit with the whip, she didnt change leads, she needed rest, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Win or lose Grace comes with it every time.  Head bob here, a nose there, in photos they are evenly matched, the only race where one of the mares showed extreme superiority was the Azeri, remember Grace by almost 4 lengths with little effort, win loss record, BL 3 wins, HDG 2 wins, it doesnt get any better than that, looking forward to Mr. Porter getting his wish and running in the Personal Ensign.  

AfleetAlexForever 22 Jul 2011 1:19 PM

I am in a good mood so I will give you all the Saratoga early DD.  Rocky World has gotten much better with each race and Julien taking over does nothing but improve his chances but I am going with Tapitdar.  A patient ride should make all the difference and Prado may be what Tapitdar needs right now.  Race 2 should be a bit easier.  Everything points to Chardsey for the win.  Well bred and trainer is winning at 22% 2nd time out.  Could Poliziotto surprise ?  Maybe but Lezcano is the one to beat.

Draynay 21 Jul 2011 7:46 PM

Results:

Race#1

9 Boat

1 Fizzano

7 Gamblin Fever

2 Warrior Up

#8 Tapidar (9th=last).

Results

Race #2

1 Stephen's Revenge

6 Poliziotto

3 Chardsey

$2 Daily Double (9-1)= $73.00

tcc 22 Jul 2011 2:02 PM

AfleetAlexForever

I have a bag of tears that I can donate to you if you wish.  Being a Blind Luck fan I don't have a need for them.  But you've done so much crying lately I figured you must be out......again.

LAZMANNICK 22 Jul 2011 2:12 PM

I loathe having to respond to Draynay and AAF, but I must correct their latest errors.  

Draynay said: "Blame had to give [Zenyatta] 5 pounds and STILL lost."

Um, Blame only gave three pounds.  And that was not a "handicap" race.  The weights were SCALE weights according to age and sex.  Zenyatta gave a pound to all the 3 year old males.  (And if a tiring Quality Road does not back up into her in the final turn, Zenyatta wins by at least a length.  If you disagree, you do not know how to watch a horse race).

As for AAF comment: "We've already seen what happens when they are equal weighted, Grace was better by 4 lengths at Oaklawn a track BL loves."  

Um, no.  Havre de Grace won by 3 1/4 lengths.  Get your facts straight.  And the distance, 1 1/16 miles, was optimal for her.  1 1/4 miles is Blind Luck's forte.

Whatever the case, when a horse twins by 3 1/4 lengths, her owner has no cause to complain when she has to give two pounds in the next HANDICAP race.  Hollendorfer did not complain when his filly lost by a neck in the Cotillion, giving HDG ten pounds.

hip703 22 Jul 2011 2:34 PM

Draynay said: "Blame had to give [Zenyatta] 5 pounds and STILL lost."

Blame lost???

Zookeeper 22 Jul 2011 3:11 PM

AAF

Grace didn't run twelve times in thirteen months like BL. Crybaby!

Mike Relva 22 Jul 2011 5:56 PM

Great to see AAF here with his usual excuses as to why his current favorite, HDG, lost.  I knew the 2 lbs would be the foremost excuse for him, Draynay and the other CA haters.  So predictable.  On the TVG website, I bet him that BL would win and if HDG beat her, I would disappear for a week.  He wanted to make it a permanent departure.  But I said a week was enough.  Guess who stayed away for a day or two licking his wounds and then reappeared?  AAF, of course.  He can't even honor his bets.  

Yes, his mentioning of a 4 length win is commonplace for all his internet postings.  He ALWAYS embellishes anything that goes his way.  When I mentioned the 10 pound differential BL was carrying in the Fitz Cotillion in which she lost by a neck to HDG--it was probably 2 lengths in AAF's mind--he never bothered to respond.  Perhaps 10 pounds is less weight than 2 pounds in AR?    

oso7 23 Jul 2011 9:23 AM

Thank you all for your comments! I appreciate them all. Blind Luck and Havre de Grace certainly provided an interesting topic to discuss!

Now, it's on to the Haskell! Will Shackleford and Ruler On Ice finish 1-2? Or will they both be beaten by an up-and-comer? I can't wait for the Haskell!

-Keelerman

-Keelerman 24 Jul 2011 1:54 PM

Mike Relva, it seems as if the connections of top notch horses would have more sense then to try to run their horse into the ground.  Kudos to Mr. Porter and Larry Jones for giving Grace the needed rest that a horse should have after a 5 or 6 race campaign.  What causes connections to come back after running in Nov and point to meaningless races in January and February of the next calender year.  Oh and they were all important Grade 2 races at that, it would seem to me that prople would have more common sense than that but apparently not.

Hip 703, there is a huge difference between 3 ¼ & 4 lengths I am thankful that you pointed that out.  So its ok for Hollendorfer to complain about the 2 lbs and that he wasn’t going to ship his horse there but on the flip side, the FHF connections should never say anything about it.  What type of double standard is that. Hollendorfer stated not too long ago that they don’t duck anyone.  Just wanted to clear that up, when you target a race like the Grade 1, $500k Apple Blossom and get trounced in that race’s prep, and then redirect where you are going to run in a lower grade 2, smaller purse $300k race, that is the definition of ducking.  According to Osos, its ok to duck as long as you state before hand that you are ducking and what the reasoning is.  New Cali-Coward rules, maybe Hollendorfer called up J. Sheriffs and asked him if he would allow use of some of his excuse.  Remember when they wouldn’t face Nashoba’s Key, Zen wasn’t fit enough.  Or when they wouldn’t go to NY, Detention Barns, or when they were coming to take on Rachel in 09, that was a Saturday and then after the Mother Goose that was off, yeah that was modified the next day after running faster than Ruffian and almost as fast as Secretariat.  J. Sheriffs has the world record for excuses as to why his horse couldn’t face the best of the best more than once a year.  Thankfully Hollendorfer doesn’t have that same yellow stripe down his back and tuck tail and run all the way back to Cali to prove his horse is best against St. Trinians and Miss Match and Rinterval over and over and over again.  I saw someone say on TVG, the difference between BL and Zen is that BL’s record of 12/21 compared to Zen’s at 19/20 is that BL has accomplished much more and shown greatness in every race against the best possible competition available.  Compare the competition and its not even close. BL has faced 6 Grade 1 types in the F/M division, Zenyatta played at home in the shallow/kiddy pool in 2010 and faced 0 Grade 1 winning females and only 2 Grade 2 fillies or mares. Sad but factual.  Thank goodness for sporting connections that recognize that to garner respect you have to step out of your comfort zone and go find the best of the best.  And you know what in competing like he does with his filly, the connections of BL or HDG wont have to take our tacky, classless full page articles in DRF begging for Eclipse award votes, only the connections of 1 horse in the history of the award has done that.  Bush League at best of you call me, but that’s what’s expected from Cali, look at the product they provide, they are the laughing stock of the country right now.  FTS – Fix the Surfaces/ Fix the Synthetics, LOL.

AfleetAlexForever 26 Jul 2011 11:26 AM

AAF said: "Sheriffs [sic] has the world record for excuses as to why his horse couldn’t face the best of the best more than once a year."

Um, the "best of the best," meet one time every year, in the Breeders' Cup Classic.  Your favorite filly, the 2009 Horse of the Year, ducked Zenyatta in the 2009 Breeders' Cup Classic, and then again in the 2010 Apple Blossom - outside California and on dirt!

AAF said: "[T]he difference between BL and Zen is that BL’s record of 12/21 compared to Zen’s at 19/20 is that BL has accomplished much more and shown greatness in every race against the best possible competition available.  Compare the competition and its not even close. BL has faced 6 Grade 1 types in the F/M division, Zenyatta played at home in the shallow/kiddy pool in 2010 and faced 0 Grade 1 winning females and only 2 Grade 2 fillies or mares."

Every sentence of that diatribe is wrong.  First off, Blind Luck, whom I love, has never faced males.  Neither has Havre De Grace.  Period.  

Second, Blind Luck's connectons have, in fact, ducked serious competition.  She was pre-entered in the 2010 Lady's Secret against Zenyatta.  Hollendorfer decided instead to run her in the Cotillion and give her chief rival, Havre de Grace, 10 pounds, rather than face Zenyatta.  

Third,  your basic facts are wrong again.  Zenyatta, in fact, beat a Grade 1 winning female in 2010: Switch.  She also beat 5 Grade 1 winning males in 2010.  You are entitled to your diatribes and to hyperventilate about Zenyatta all you want, but you should at least get your facts straight.

hip703 26 Jul 2011 1:34 PM

HDG got hit 9 times.  Let me know how many times Gomez hit Blind Luck?

Blind Luck has ran 21 times and Hollendorfer plans on continuing next year.  She could have 35 starts when it is all said and done. (Lady's Secret had 47).  

The "down fall" for HDG is that she has 3/4 of her starts in Delaware but I don't hear anyone crowning her the "Deleware Champion."  

Householder 26 Jul 2011 8:00 PM

HIP703

AAF doesn't know how to get his facts straight,that's why he makes them up.

Mike Relva 26 Jul 2011 11:24 PM

AAF said: "Sheriffs [sic] has the world record for excuses as to why his horse couldn’t face the best of the best more than once a year."

(This statement is factual, how do you call yourself having the best horse in the world or US when you dont have the best horse in California.  The best horses in Cali ran in the SA Handicap, HWGC, Pac Classic and Goodwood, where was Zenyatta, she was shivering and cowering in the kiddy pool that Sheriffs had her playing in, seems as if her whole career was that way other than 3 races)

Um, the "best of the best," meet one time every year, in the Breeders' Cup Classic.  Your favorite filly, the 2009 Horse of the Year, ducked Zenyatta in the 2009 Breeders' Cup Classic, and then again in the 2010 Apple Blossom - outside California and on dirt!

(Ignorance is something you must flaunt and be proud of, how does a horse duck Zenyatta when it was stated up until October of 2009 that Zenyatta would not contest 10f and would never race against males, as Sheriffs said: “that would be asking too much of Zenyatta”.  I like how you make up things as you go though, very original of you.  As for the 2010 Apple Blossom it was quite obvious that Rachel wasnt anywhere near peak form at the time.  Riddle me this Rachel runs a grueling race in Sept of 09, is given a break in oct, nov and starts galloping in Dec, Breezes in jan for the first time and runs in March.  Why is it you have little to say about Zenyatta’s grueling race in 2008 that caused her to be stall bound from Nov of 2008 until March or April or 2009 and not make it back to the track until the end of May of 09, why did she miss the 2009 Apple Blossom.   Maybe coming off of a hard campaign of 7 races in 2008 caused that. Hmmmmmmmm. So let’s summarize.

Zen’s last race in 08 – Nov 7 Makes it back to the track May 23. Almost 7 months NO AB.

Raitch last race in 08 – Sept 5 Makes it back to the track March 13.  6 months No AB

Similar situation, only 1 horse gets disrespected by you. Hmmm, I love taking you to task.

AAF said: "[T]he difference between BL and Zen is that BL’s record of 12/21 compared to Zen’s at 19/20 is that BL has accomplished much more and shown greatness in every race against the best possible competition available.  Compare the competition and its not even close. BL has faced 6 Grade 1 types in the F/M division, Zenyatta played at home in the shallow/kiddy pool in 2010 and faced 0 Grade 1 winning females and only 2 Grade 2 fillies or mares."

Every sentence of that diatribe is wrong.  First off, Blind Luck, whom I love, has never faced males.  Neither has Havre De Grace.  Period.   (Blind Luck has faced males a total of 2 times less than Zenyatta, thats saying a great deal considering she only weighs about 300 lbs less also)

Second, Blind Luck's connectons have, in fact, ducked serious competition.  She was pre-entered in the 2010 Lady's Secret against Zenyatta.  Hollendorfer decided instead to run her in the Cotillion and give her chief rival, Havre de Grace, 10 pounds, rather than face Zenyatta.  (Thank goodness you dont own horses, running smallish 3 year old horses against older horses when there are races all over the US that would allow her to stay in her own division for much more money is certainly something u wouldnt do correct. Amateur at best. Keep trying though)

Third,  your basic facts are wrong again.  Zenyatta, in fact, beat a Grade 1 winning female in 2010: Switch.  She also beat 5 Grade 1 winning males in 2010.  You are entitled to your diatribes and to hyperventilate about Zenyatta all you want, but you should at least get your facts straight. (At the time of the Lady’s Secret in 2010, Switch was a Grade 2 winning horse, sorry facts are facts, maybe you didnt recognize that but others did, while grade 1 horses were running elsewhere, zenyatta had to prove over and over again that she was superior to Dance to my tune and cherryblossommiss, those are top horses to have on your resume for sure.)

AfleetAlexForever 27 Jul 2011 11:49 AM

Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with your disrespect of Havre De Grace, the whip is part of the game to urge a horse for the best, maybe you were trying to show your friends you can count.  So congrats on that.  Nice stats also, inconsequential but still nice that you are such the historian or whatever.

AfleetAlexForever 27 Jul 2011 12:02 PM

Alex

The whip is part of the game only when used on your favorite horses.  If used on others it is a sign of how weak and out classed they are.

LAZMANNICK 27 Jul 2011 3:58 PM

..... Nah,I shouldn't. It's too easy.

Carlos in Cali 27 Jul 2011 4:23 PM

AAF

As for disrespecting Grace,you've never disrespected any horse,right Wes? Grace got beat in her back yard,simple as that! End of story!

Mike Relva 27 Jul 2011 6:58 PM

AAF, you are too much.

AAF said: "This statement is factual, how do you call yourself having the best horse in the world or US when you dont have the best horse in California.  The best horses in Cali ran in the SA Handicap, HWGC, Pac Classic and Goodwood, where was Zenyatta, she was shivering and cowering in the kiddy pool that Sheriffs had her playing in, seems as if her whole career was that way other than 3 races"

Why AAF is wrong:

First off, I never said Zenyatta was the best horse in the world.  Those are your words, not mine.  

Second, Zenyatta defeated the winner of the 2010 Hollywood Gold Cup by 6 1/2 lengths. Zenyatta defeated the winner of the 2009 and 2010 Pacific Classic and 2010 Goodwood by 5 1/2 lengths.  Zenyatta gave nine pounds to the betting favorite of the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap and won.

AAF then said: "I like how you make up things as you go though, very original of you.  As for the 2010 Apple Blossom it was quite obvious that Rachel wasnt anywhere near peak form at the time.  Riddle me this Rachel runs a grueling race in Sept of 09, is given a break in oct, nov and starts galloping in Dec"

Why AAF is wrong:  While Rachel was resting, Zenyatta had the most grueling race of all in November 2009, and then bounced back fine.  Rachel was a great filly, but no match for Zenyatta at 1 1/4 miles.  And the fact remains that Zenyatta & Co. showed up for the Apple Blossom in April 2009, when $5 million was on the table and a date concession was granted.

AAF then said: "Blind Luck has faced males a total of 2 times less than Zenyatta, thats saying a great deal considering she only weighs about 300 lbs less also."

That is not an argument.

"At the time of the Lady’s Secret in 2010, Switch was a Grade 2 winning horse, sorry facts are facts, maybe you didnt recognize that but others did, while grade 1 horses were running elsewhere, zenyatta had to prove over and over again that she was superior to Dance to my tune and cherryblossommiss, those are top horses to have on your resume for sure."

The fact of the matter is that Switch is a Grade 1 winning horse, and DEFEATED  a multiple Grade 1 winning horse, and the 2010 3 year old filly champion (Blind Luck) in the Hollywood Oaks months before the running of the Lady's Secret.

Unlike you, AAF, I do not hate any horses.  I love them all.  I am sorry to see that you are such a bitter person and could not come to appreciate the Great Mare.   In any event, you diminish your credibility when you get your facts wrong and resort to falsehoods in your diatribes.  (It reminds me of Shandler claiming Blame's diminishing head victory over Zenyatta was a "dusting.")

hip703 28 Jul 2011 12:00 AM

HIP703

AAF hates it when I remind him the fact RA four yr old season ended with a flicker.Then,he states he's visited Zenyatta. I've asked him why someone that truly hates her would visit? Sounds crazy!

Mike Relva 29 Jul 2011 5:06 PM


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