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Live Longshots

I'll be back later in the week with selections for all 15 Breeders' Cup races, but here are a few horses that could be live at a price. As we all know, this has not been the strongest year of racing, so I'm expecting the tote board to light up at Churchill this weekend. The trick is finding the right ones. Let me know your thoughts.

Juvenile Fillies Turf

Dayatthespa (12-1)--She is a lightly-raced daughter of City Zip with only two starts, but she's tactical and could carve out a good trip under Ramon Dominguez. Comes in fresh and with the top Bris Speed Figure at the distance, which came in the one-mile Natalma. Go back and watch that race; she tracked beautifully, took over in the stretch, opened up distance on the field, and was only caught late by Northern Passion, who received a perfect rail-skimming ride from Woodbine's leading rider. Dayatthespa was two lengths ahead of Stephanie's Kitten, who came back to win the Alcibiades. Chad Brown is having a good year.

Juvenile Fillies

Northern Passion (12-1)--If I like Dayatthespa I have to like this filly. I really like Grace Hall in here and she will probably be my top selection, but Northern Passion's run in the Natalma was nothing short of spectacular when coming from the back of the field to run down Dayatthespa, so she will be included in my exotics. Obviously, the big question is whether she will have the same kind of late kick on dirt, but the fact that Mark Casse entered her here instead of the Juvenile Fillies Turf is a sign that she will. The extra distance should help her and she is also fresh. Churchill works haven't been sparkling, but at least she has two works over the track. This is a deep field but I think she is worth using for a piece.

Sprint

Force Freeze (12-1) and Apriority (30-1)--Euroears should be tough but I don't really like any of the other favorites, so there I think there is a chance for at least one big price to hit the board. Force Freeze spent most of the year racing in Dubai on synthetics without a win, but has really done well since coming back here for Peter Walden. He crushed a good field in the Teddy Drone at Monmouth and was a game second in the Vosburgh, also against a stellar field. He likes to sit just off the pace, and there should be plenty of speed for him to follow. Had a razor sharp work at Monmouth last Saturday.

Apriority is the longest shot on the board, and call me crazy but I think he has a chance to win. He is parked next to his stabelmate, Big Drama, who won this race a year ago. I respect Big Drama but I just don't think he is coming into this race the right way; with only two starts and missing the Vosburgh. He hasn't looked overly impressive at Churchill either. Apriority has done nothing to warrant serious backing based on his last two starts, but David Fawkes didn't care for the ride in the Vanderbilt when fourth and he was taken out of the Vosburgh (along with Euroears) when they played bumper cars early in that race. I'm drawing a line through it. Earlier in the year Apriority was spectacular when romping in an optional claimer at Gulfstream and ran very good seconds in the grade I Carter and grade II Churchill Downs Stakes at seven furlongs. If there is going to be a closer running down the speed here, I think it might be him. Just a hunch.

Turf

Dean's Kitten (10-1)--It's hard to see a scenario where he would beat all four of the Europeans, but I think there is a way for him to get a piece. He's a horse that has been steadily improving, with a stakes win earlier this year on turf and two grade I placings in his most recent efforts. He gave Cape Blanco all he could handle in the Turf Classic. He likes to track the leaders and if there is not a lot of pace in here he could e a factor when they turn for home. Not expecting a win, but he's the top U. S. horse in my opinion.

Mile

Courageous Cat (8-1) and Zoffany (20-1)--Courageous Cat certainly is not going to be a huge price (I'm hoping he'll stay around 8-1), but if anyone is going to dethrone Goldikova I give him the best chance. She beat him by a half-length back in 2009, and is finally back to that top form after injuries have hampered him over the last two years. This horse has been sharp ever since making his return this summer, and had it not been for a premature move in the Woodbine Mile he would be undefeated in three starts. He should get a good stalking trip and be right in the mix turning for home. Will he be able to hold off Goldikova?

Zoffany is one of Europe's top milers, but will be dismissed because of the egg he laid in the Shadwell Turf Mile. I'm not exactly sure what happened in his U. S. debut, maybe it was first-time Lasix or he didn't care for the firm turf. But class wise, this horse is right up there with anyone, as he was beaten less than a length by Frankel earlier in the year and was a group I winner as a juvenile. I'm not sure if his form has fallen off but Aidan' Obrien is too good not to take a chance on.

Strong Suit (10-1) is also a Euro shipper I'll probably use in exotics. Zoffany has finished ahead of him a couple times but he seems to be in better form right now, and adds Lasix for the first time.

121 Comments:

Even though Ted from LA predicted Caracortado to win the Triple Crown, I consider him a long-shot in that race.  I also consider Draynay picking one winner odds at 78-1.  That's very sad about the dissolution of Kim Kardashian's marriage.  Mrs. Bob from Boston and I have had longer fights than 72 days.  Our of respect for Kim and her family they are requesting as much attention as humanly possible at this difficult time.

Bob from Boston 01 Nov 2011 12:46 PM

Jason,

I agree that Dean's Kitten is Americans best shot at Turf.  Hope he gets it done for us.  I like Hard Not to Like in Juv F Turf.  She beat colts at woodbine in her last race.  And I love Hard Spun, the sire.  What do you think of the Turf Sprint, that one is killing me.

bredblog.com 01 Nov 2011 12:55 PM

And the media lets out a huge groan after Goldikova draws the rail.  Courageous Cat certainly looks live.

Amazombie is now worth a look with Euroears down on the rail.  Euro is the fastest horse on the planet right now, but the 1 hole?  Amazombie should be able to run down this bunch.

The Factor is now a bust out of the one hole.  The mile is now more wide open than we thought.

Uncle Mo the morning line favorite!

He will be no where to be found and Havre De Grace will lessen her stride the last 1/4 like she always does.  Huge huge betting potential in the Classic.  

Householder 01 Nov 2011 12:57 PM

I really like Apriority and Strong Suit in their respective races, definitely live long shots. Others that I think could hit the board at a price:

Alpha, Juvenile (15/1)

Hard Not To Like, Juvenile Fillies Turf (15/1)

Great Hot, FM Sprint (20/1)

Farraaj, Juvenile turf (15/1)

Lucky Chappy, Juvenile Turf (15/1)

Broken Dreams, Turf Sprint (20/1)

Just horses to consider...

josh 01 Nov 2011 1:19 PM

Jason: Agree wholeheartedly with you on Apriority. Upsets obviously more likely in the sprint than longer Cup races. I'd hire David Fawkes to train my bred-for-speed horses and Matz for my routers. This one is inbred 5X5 to both Native Dancer and Bold Ruler. That's some giddyup there.

steve from st louis 01 Nov 2011 1:28 PM

I like Courageous Cat also to upset Goldie.  Would love to see her win but with the 1 hole and going for 4 in a row, she's ripe to get beat.

Stephanie's Kitten is a live longshot in the Juvenile Fillies Turf.  Coming into this well, especially from the poly at Keeneland, good closing style, Ramsey's to celebrate.

Looking forward to your picks, Jason, wish I was there this year.  Enjoy!

trackjack 01 Nov 2011 1:32 PM

Pleasant Prince will win the Marathon and Wilburn should win at 6 or 7 to 1.  You should get about 10 to 1 on PP.  I agree with Jason Courageous Cat could ruin everything.

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 2:13 PM

Skip: I will give you my thoughts on Mo in a couple days. Yes, I know Mike well.

Turf Sprint: Gotta use Chamberlain Bridge again and Havelock looks great. Havent finished 'cappin yet though.

Jason Shandler 01 Nov 2011 2:42 PM

The only problem with your key race Natalma analysis is that Stephanie's Kitten was 7 or 8 wide on the turn while the 1-2 finishers that you like were on or near the rail (and it is reflected in the Sheet numbers).

Brian Russell 01 Nov 2011 2:52 PM

YEAH JASON....give me 12-1 on Force Freeze...they open up his lungs and he runs like a monster...

easy money here...........

chucky 01 Nov 2011 3:23 PM

OK, I will now be boring again.  Look out for any horse coming out of the Natalma, the Summer Stakes and the Grey Stakes from Woodbine.

I like Hard not to ... and Stephanie's Kitten and Northern Passion.  Also Propspective.  

And finally, if Shumoos wins the Juv Sprint, do I get extra bragging points forever for picking a 100-1 shot?

Ted: who is Kim Kardashian and why are you following her career?  She have any shot for 2011 HOY?

Ted/Bob:

mz 01 Nov 2011 3:36 PM

Bob from Boston, I can't stop laughing. What in the name of GOD was Bruce Jenner thinking of marrying into that family? Jason, the one I agree on is Courageous Cat. But I am hoping no one ruins Goldi's chances at making history. I would take no joy in that. Her connections deserve a special prize for bringing her over here 4 times in a row. Has ANYONE ever done that? I don't think so. Jason, what do you think of Mo's last work? I would be intersted to hear your thoughts. I am hearing that others were not impressed, which worries me just a little.

Paula Higgins 01 Nov 2011 3:47 PM

While I dont think Mo's last work was visually impressive, I think they were careful not to let him do too much. They dont want to squeeze the lemon. Flat Out looked great, but did he leave his race on the track? Two ways to look at it.

Jason Shandler 01 Nov 2011 3:53 PM

mz:  Shumooz won't be anywhere near 100-1.  Some of his UK form is very good, he is bred for dirt and his trainer has a stellar record in the US.

Brian Russell 01 Nov 2011 4:14 PM

Brian: isn't she a he?

(Sorry Ted/Bob: this sounds more like the kind of comment I would send to you.)

mz 01 Nov 2011 4:34 PM

OOPS!  "He" a "she"

(now I'm even more confused!  Now, it they had named Shumoos "ShumoosA" I would have understood it better.)

mz 01 Nov 2011 4:35 PM

mz,

There are only two reasons I follow Kim Kardashian's "career."  I like to keep abreast of pop culture.  But I repeat myself.

Bob from Boston 01 Nov 2011 4:45 PM

Bruce Jenner??? I completely support him in his quest to become Joan Rivers.

Bob from Boston 01 Nov 2011 4:52 PM

After reading all the coverage and watching the workouts, these are the horses that captured my attention. Chamberlain Bridge looked spectacular and while his work wasn't earthshattering he traveled so well over the grass that he looked like he was flying. Very smooth rhythmical strides and looks to be sitting on a big race.

I Watched the helmet cam of Shacklefords work and he too looked awesome. The blinkers appear to be a doing their job, he was very focused on his task.

Weemissfrankie also looked terrific, I like her a lot and will have her along with My Miss Aurelia and Grace Hall, a gorgeous daughter of Empire Maker. I will take the other Empire Maker filly in the Distaff, Royal Delta along with Plum Pretty and It's Tricky

The Juvenile belongs to Union Rags, all the speed is to his inside and he can follow along until the 8th pole and then kick it into overdrive ala the Champagne, For the record, I think Dullahan should have went in the Juvi Turf. I agree with Ranagulzion that The AP INDY/BERNARDINI colts will not be a factor given the presence of Creative Cause, Drill and Hansen.

Juvenile fillies Turf is a tough one, But how can you not like Hard Not to Like at 15/1. She beat the boys last out. But, that being said, this is a wide open race with the likes of Stopshoppingmaria, Stephanies Kitten, Elusive Kate and Somali Lemonaid.

In the Filly and mare sprint, Tar Heel Mom is a toss, her work this weekend was pathetic. She did not look like a happy horse. Turbulant Decent looks like a lock here but I like, Switch, Her Smile and Pomeroys Pistol.

No way will you get me off of Shared Account in the Filly and Mare Turf and she loves the Churchill Downs grass. At least she is getting more respect this year at 30/1 (last yr was 48/1). I like Misty for Me here too.

Eldaafer, AU Miner and Birdrun in the Marathon.

Lucky Chappy in the Juvenile Turf. He was coming fast at the end of his last race and Graham Motion is one of my favorite trainers.

The Sprint is another race I think is wide open. Euroears is my top pick, but I hate he drew the rail. Jackson Bend looked fantastic in his last race but I like Amazombie and Force Freeze in here as well. The question is, Can any of them beat Big Drama if he is on his game.

Turf Sprint is without a doubt, Chamberlain Bridge followed by Caracortado and Regally Ready.

The Dirt Mile as I said earlier is Shacklefords to lose. He's gained weight and really looks terrific. The factor on the rail is a guarenteed burnout. I like Wilburn here too but for him to win he will have to run the race of his life.

Call me crazy but Im taking all longshots in the Turf, Brilliant Speed, Stately Victor and Teaks North.

I wont rehash the Juvenile, Oh  Wait,Yes I will. Did I say union Rag's ? By the way his trainer is a guy named Michael Matz, remember him? Yea he is the guy they said was crazy to give Barbaro 6 weeks off before the Derby. As Ranagulzion pointed out, this guy knows how to train a router.

I gotta give Freddie Head props for bringing Goldikova back to try for a 4th Mile but I just think she is past her prime and I think the rail draw pretty much sealed her fate. I like Get Stormy, Turallure and the aformentioned Courageous Cat.

And finally, the Classic. Havre De Grace, So You Think and Stay Thirsty. MO finishes off the board. Good Luck everyone !

OOps missed the Juvi Sprint, Secret Circle.

Criminal Type 01 Nov 2011 5:07 PM

20-1 are reasonable odds for a Broken Dream winning unless you are referring to the Colts from Indianapolis in which case you should probably add another zero.

Giddyup 01 Nov 2011 5:24 PM

LMFAO @ BOB and the Bruce Jenner/Joan Rivers comment. Now there is man who is totally PW'd and scary looking with it. I feel bad for all of them, they don't have any clue what a normal life is. I mean the girls are beautiful with the exception of Khloe the sasquatch, but their morality is in the toilet.

Criminal Type 01 Nov 2011 5:28 PM

PAULA

I like THAS to prevail in the Classic.

Mike Relva 01 Nov 2011 5:31 PM

Bloodhorse junior correspondent JS,how much will you wager on the races.I agree with the notion that theres too many races.If your betting horizontal exotics then thats what you want.I am in the vertical exotic camp.If you try to take down more than a double with horses coming from all over the country,sometimes the world and full fields of them, you better have a solid bankroll.If you care to answer fine, if not well then Ill have to ask criminal typewriter what he thinks.Or ill ask ILLUM or ILLUMINATI.

NASCAR PRO 01 Nov 2011 5:47 PM

Shumoos beat the boys in a 6f G3 race on the All-Weather at Kempton. The only problem with this win is that Kempton is a right-handed course. All of her other races have been on straight courses. Better hope she has done some training on left-handed turns.

Pedigree Ann 01 Nov 2011 5:47 PM

Secret Circle in the Juv. Sprint.

I posted thoughts after he broke his maiden in July and he will go from a BC win to the Derby Trail.  At least he didn't get the one hole.

trackjack 01 Nov 2011 5:51 PM

Shackleford it's his race to lose ?  Lining up right next to the factor ???  Both horses are a TOSS !!!

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 5:56 PM

Speaking of 2yo girls who have beaten the boys, don't overlook Hard Not to Like in the Little Girls' turf. She was farther back than normal in the Natalma, then she bumped at the top of the stretch and gave it up. With a better trip vs the guys in the Cup and Saucer, she won by 5.

Pedigree Ann 01 Nov 2011 5:58 PM

BTW I must have looked at the nominations instead of the entries.Which race are the two fillies and the colt running in Bob from BOston,the marathon

NASCAR PRO 01 Nov 2011 6:04 PM

I think Flat Out's latest workout was fast because:

1)He's feeling good.

2)He's a steady grinder not a quick turn-of-foot type of horse.The pace should be swift and maybe they wanted to put some speed into him so he won't be too far off of the leaders?... I'm OK w/it.

My live Price-plays:

THAS @ 12-1  BCC> Clear trip,post not a problem.

Flat Out @ 6-1  BCC> Consistent & Classy,will be closing steadily.

Stay Thirsty @ 8-1  BCC> Different horse since Spring & training good at CD.Pace should suit hime & he's Pletcher's best shot in here,IMO.

So You Think @ 8-1  BCC> Will he dirt? And will his tough campaign finally get to him?

Tapizar @ 20-1  DirtMile> Must rate behind The Factor,if The Factor stumbles.. good bye.He's gone.

Wilburn @ 5-1  DirtMile> Should get the right trip.

Caleb's Posse @ 6-1  DirtMile> 1-turn & likely fast pace to his advantage.

It's Tricky @ 4-1+  BCLC> Best 3yo Filly this past Summer,should rebound w/a giant effort here.Will be overlooked.

Seeker @ 6-1  BCJS> (off-track)

Pure Gossip @ 10-1  BCJFT> (off-track)

Euroears @ 5-1  Sprint> If he breaks cleanly he's gone.

California Flag @ 10-1+  TurfSprint> P.Val will put him on the lead,needs firm turf & is very sharp.Might just be a SA downhill specialist though.

Hansen @ 12-1+  BCJ> The one to catch.Might just run them off their feet 1st time on dirt.Gets Dominguez to boot.

Alpha @ 20-1  BCJ> Should improve going 2-turns in his 3rd start.Gomez is a plus.

Mr.Commons @ 15-1+  Mile> Peaking.If he gets a clear trip he'll be running late.

Courageous Cat @ 8-1  Mile> I'll take those kinda' odds any day on this classy horse.

Carlos in Cali 01 Nov 2011 6:46 PM

A few locks for you ... Secret Circle, My Miss Aurelia and Samali Lemonade

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 7:07 PM

Kim is up for the eclipse award in the Sprint Division.

Had a 72 buyer first time out

Johnny 01 Nov 2011 7:34 PM

How about Byword in the mile?  He seems to hit hard at all distances but the cutback to a mile may do him well.  

Householder 01 Nov 2011 7:53 PM

Goldi has been pointing for this BC, and not any of  the earlier races on her resume.  I have faith in Freddie Head, and Goldi is the only horse I have circled as "Winner" so far.  No American will beat her.

skyfire 01 Nov 2011 8:23 PM

I really don't see Mo staying in the money at the Classic distance...

Traditionally the turf races have the greatest odds of upset.  With the odds on Goldy being even or worse, I can see a lot of money being available to win on choosing her to finish second in the exacta.

Juvenile Fillies Turf and Juv Turf should bring very nice prices, haven't nailed down choices yet, but should be wide open.

My picks will come later, but for now going deep in the turf races will pay off except if Goldy comes through with number 4.

TJLuvsTizs 01 Nov 2011 8:26 PM

I am hoping for a much faster track then last year.  If I get it I like my picks.

Secret Circle in the sprint.

Somali Lemonade cannot be beat.

Turbulent Descent is much the best.

My Miss Aurelia is simply too fast.

Nahrain will love Lasix

Plum Pretty is too fast and fully grown.

I did it all for you.  Now none of you have to even handicap the races I did it for you.

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 8:36 PM

 Interesting longshots

 Jason, thanks for your info. Here are some of my longshots:

Juv. Sprint

  Blacky the Bull- showing improvement, should love CD

Juv. Fillies Turf

   Stopshopping  Maria- might like turf, sports a big beyer.

Filly & Mare Sprint

    Pomeroys Pistol-  unusual breeding for improving 3 year old, beat older in last

Juvenile Fillies

     Putthebabiesdown- Mcpeek could have this one ready for big one

Filly and Mare Turf

    Aruna-  might hang on

Ladies Classic

     Satans Quick- will be coming from way back, longshot bomb

These are Friday’s longshots, still working on Saturdays

predict 01 Nov 2011 9:02 PM

Jason, yes I get both your points and my hope is that they were trying not to burn him out just before the race. So did they prime the pump with Flatout (like they did with Secretariat) or as you said, leave his best race on he track? No way to know for sure until the race is run.

Bob from Boston, Bruce Jenner has turned into a walking, talking ad for plastic surgery gone wrong. Sad to see him come to this.

Paula Higgins 01 Nov 2011 9:44 PM

Saturday's longshots will be quite easy. Play the number 3 in all of the races. This will give you:

Meeznah in the marathon, an unknown on dirt that could surprise.

Shakspeare Shaliyah in the Juv. Turf(probably toughest race to pick), but you got to love Solis riding.

Aikenite in the Sprint, gives you great trainer/jockey.

Broken Dreams in the Turf Sprint, boy if this one comes in it should pay very nicely, and you get Garret Gomez.

Tapizar in the Dirt Mile, asking alot of this one, but you get Gomez riding an unknown quality.

 Dean's Kitten in the Turf, stranger things have happened, but his last (if not a surface reason) was the best he has done.

Crusade in the Juvenile, he's a grade 1 winner that is unknown on dirt, but I like his breeding for this race.

Courageous Cat in the Mile, not the biggest longshot , but certainly won't be the favorite, but has shown potential.

and finally,

Drosselmeyer in the Classic, he might just do it and maybe Mike makes up for last year.

Good luck to all, this should be fun!

predict 01 Nov 2011 10:30 PM

@Bob from Boston, you should be on the comedy circuit.  You are funny!

Shelby's Best Pal 01 Nov 2011 10:39 PM

EVERYBODY RAISE YOUR HANDS!!! If you remember the last horse ANDY BEYER has picked in any big race, in the last years.....how many derbys in the last 15 or 20 derbys? Yet the arrogance in his articles, is getting annoying. Criticizing the connections,for running UNCLE MO in the classic...WHY?? Because beyer thinks he has no bottom...that he hasnt enough training...well, how did MO run a 118 beyer at a mile? He had enough bottom to run a 118? That is an out of shape uncle mo? REALLY? how many horses have run a 118 mile or more in last 10 years?  Heres a question. People! Mo ran 10 points faster than the filly and the jcgc winner...10 points is a different world! And it is crazy to run in the classic? Using beyers logic...if Mo was to run in the mile, he would run what? a 124? If he is so out of shape, he must be able to run faster right? so if you take a 124 beyer, and add slow quarter of 25 to it, it goes down to what? 118? 116? 114?  was uncle mo quitting going a mile? 1  1/16th? at all? UNCLE MO as a 2 yr old ran as fast as the filly did or flat out did their last starts!!! 2 yr olds run over 10 points slower than older do......go figure uncle mos last race was 10 points faster than his 2 yr old 108!!! ANDY writes the fact that trainers spend all winter/spring racing the stamina into the horses..apparently he hasent gotten the memo...Horses are trained differently than years ago! raced in fewer preps. Why? trainers have gotten smarter!!!!.If ANDY ever picks one right, he will write how OBVIOUS the winner was.......ANDY BEYER= DINOSAUR!!!!!!!!!

KY VET 02 Nov 2011 12:04 AM

In the Cup's best race, I like, no LOVE, Pure Gossip in the juvy filly turf....Mr Commons drew well in the mile, this is a good horse on the improve--he prepped well.. I also like Courageous Cat in there...Miss Match has been just that this year, mis-matched vs the boys in Hol Gold/Pac Classic--she won the Margarita (Gr I) on dirt--10-1 is a gift in that weak Ladies Classic...I, too, like Apriority in sprint, and 5-1 on Amazombie is a gift in there, he's live and drawn well...if Uncle Mo gets the distance he crushes, if he doesn't, I like the Aussie, that looks like the weakest Classic ever, and that horse has class and stamina--whether he dirts is up in the air, like I said, it won't take much, will box with Mo and take the 6 or 7-1 he goes off as...the juvy filly turf intrigues--perhaps the best ever from Europe, vs the best ever from U S, like I said, best race on the cards....

Matthew W 02 Nov 2011 1:50 AM

Baffert only recently figured out Game On Dude--he wants him in front from the get-go--he had a tardy break in the Goodwood--he rushed widest around the first turn, then hit 6 fur in 1:09 flat--then he held off Awesome Gem--also, he benefits most of all from the defection of Tizway, less middle movers--Uncle Mo and company will be chasing Dude, and he has won at 10 fur/two turns/dirt this year, maybe a Game On Dude/Stay Thirsty ex box, the two horses in the field to have accomplished that feat this year...

Matthew W 02 Nov 2011 2:05 AM

Some random thoughts ...

Uncle Mo won't hit the board and you might need a telescope to find him.

The biggest price for both days will come in the Juv Filly Turf.

One trainer with only two horses entered will win with both the smallest price around $50.

There will be a repeat winner but it won't be Goldikova.

Lastly, Harve de Grace will be lucky to hit the board.

Zenyatta John 02 Nov 2011 6:21 AM

3 shots that I can see come away with the upset.

Juvy filly turf - wish granted. Customer Base is wheeled back for the Bc. Customer Base has looked great in her first two starts . She comes back on short rest and steps up in class, but feel confident that leparoux sticks with her. Can envision 17-1 with her.

F&M Sprint - Although the two chalk look tough in here, I can't leave out Tanda. Very limited opportunities on dirt, but when shes run on the surface, shes run big as evidence by the Acorn last year, when she was probably best after a horrible start from the rail. Sharp prep coming into this.

Sprint - Hamazing Destiny's form looks deceiving this year compared to last, but he's been running quite well all year at distances & surfaces that are not his best. Back at his home track and distance off a decent prep.

The Rock 02 Nov 2011 6:44 AM

Watching the workouts, and finding surprises around every corner.

I'm sticking with SYT and HDG in the Classic.

In the turf mile, sentimental favorites Goldie and Gio in their final appearance just might be upset by Zoffany or Sidney's Candy, as far-fetched as it might seem.

Juvenile, Union Rags and Alpha...just can't help sticking to the favorites here.

Turf...Midday and Sarafina.

Dirt mile, Wilburn with an eye on Irrefutable.

Sprint...Sentimentally, Big Drama and Jackson Bend, but I'm thinking there might be an upset here.

Juvenile Turf, Caspar Netscher and Wrote.

Marathon, Meeznah.

Ladies' Classic, Royal Delta and maybe It's Tricky if she calms down.

F&M Turf, Misty For Me or Nahrain.

That's all I have for now.  I'm disappointed that some of Europe's top jockeys won't be here to ride their regular mounts because of the suspensions based on the new controversial whip rules.

Slew 02 Nov 2011 9:19 AM

 Still waiting for all the self-righteous rants about them putting Royal Delta in Keeneland November as if it's not part of the business.  "Oh my god...She's being sold to the highest bidder.  Those terrible terrible people.  Don't they realize she may be sold to...dare I say it....foreigners."  Sorry friends, just bugs me is all.  End of rant.

Smoking Baby 02 Nov 2011 10:00 AM

 Jason.  I'm jealous you get to see these horses train this week.  Training hours are my favorite part of the day.  Coffee, donuts, clean air, cool conversation with a diverse bunch of folks.  You may have the coolest job on the planet.  Enjoy sir.

Smoking Baby 02 Nov 2011 10:03 AM

Speaking of longshots, I learned, to my cost, never to throw out Aikenite.

(First random thought: I hadn't seen Bruce Jenner for many, many years and so after reading these comments, I googled him and saw some pictures.  Yikes!  He's coming up fast up along Mary Tyler Moore but he still has along way to go before he catches up with the Queen, Ms. Rivers.)

(Second random thought: it looks like KY VET finally learned to unlock his capitals but now his keyboard is stuck on the question mark key.  Also, isn't it against the law for anyone over 16 to use that many exclamation marks in a row?  Not that there'a anything wrong with EMPHASIS!!!)

mz 02 Nov 2011 10:24 AM

unca schmoe will not win the Classic!! I've never been wrong about this horse. like I said way back, favorite trick reincarnate. if he wins i'll eat draynay's hat.

tossin havre de grace too, she ain't no zenyatta and even though this field is weaker than last years she won't win.

i see draynay's playing the favorites game again choosing the likes of plum pretty, my miss aurelia, turbulent descent, secret circle and nahrain. go figure. some things never change like letting others handicap the faves for you and then touting them.

no_mo _mo 02 Nov 2011 10:42 AM

Dray, Seriously, you should stop now. Everyone knows to read what you say and do the opposite. Your annoying allegance to mediocre horses is legendary.

A few locks for you ... Secret Circle, My Miss Aurelia and Samali Lemonade

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 7:07 PM

Oh and Dray it's SOMALI, its one of those tough words, Like AUSTRALIA.  LOL.

Your locks look decidingly suspicious since I put them up 2 hours prior to your post.

Criminal Type 02 Nov 2011 10:56 AM

Criminal Type you picked It's Tricky ??? And you don't like Uncle Mo ???  You know nothing.

Draynay 02 Nov 2011 11:45 AM

This blog is about live longshots so I'll post a few (not necessarily my winnig pick but some will be).  My final winning selections will be posted later in the week (perhaps on Thursday).  Here are a few very live upsetters:

Stopshoppingmaria (Juv Fillies Turf)

Miss Netta (Juv Fillies)

Shared Account (F&M Turf)

Lucky Chappy (Juv Turf)

Hoofit (Turf Sprint)

Jersey Town (Dirt Mile)

Fort Loudon (BC Juvenile)

Sidney's Candy (BC Mile)

Ice Box (BC Classic)

The races for which I've omitted to choose a likely upsetter are the ones that I think are sho-in for particular short priced horses.  The one exception being the Fillies and Mare Turf.  In that race Stacelita appears to be a cinch and I like her very much to win but I also like to look at races from a jockey's angle and I do believe that Edgar Prado is going to win at least one Breeder's Cup race, so I've included two of his three mounts in my upsetter's group hence Shared Account, a filly that is no slouch, is given an outsider's chance to eclipse Stacelita at astronomical odds. I should also point out that Kent Desormeaux has only one mount on the entire Breeder's Cup program, Dullahan in the Juvenile: he could be very dangerous at good odds but I just can't see him topping Union Rags (The hottest SOUP of the Breeder's Cup, closely followed by Big Drama in the Sprint ...ah well I'm getting ahead of myself here).  More anon.    

Ranagulzion 02 Nov 2011 12:32 PM

Dray, read the whole post, not just the small words. If you had you would have seen I did not pick one horse in any race except Secret Circle. I'm no expert, Unlike you I don't pretend to be. One thing I know is, your wrong most of the time. In my opinion MO can't run 10 furlongs. Period. Im sticking with Steve Haskin and So You Think as my primary horse in the classic. I guess we will know exactly who it is who knows nothing by about 8PM Saturday night. I know you won't let me down.

Criminal Type 02 Nov 2011 12:46 PM

Just made last minute plans.  Was invited to the backstretch on Friday and Saturday, made resv. and WILL GO.  

Have to pinch myself; after winning Road To The Roses in 2010, was able to go to last years BC and witness Goldikova, Uncle Mo and of course the great battle between Blame and Zenyatta.  As guests of Churchill Downs this year, did the Oaks and Derby from the 6th Floor Skye Terrace.  Now I'll be able to witness this years BC from the backstretch through a friend.

As much as I like to bet, being there live and seeing these great warriors up close means more to me and I can bet also.

Will post my picks later, wanted to share my joy!

trackjack 02 Nov 2011 12:50 PM

Live Longshots;

I am hoping for a much faster track then last year.  If I get it I like my picks.

Secret Circle in the sprint.

Somali Lemonade cannot be beat.

Turbulent Descent is much the best.

My Miss Aurelia is simply too fast.

Nahrain will love Lasix

Plum Pretty is too fast and fully grown.

I did it all for you.  Now none of you have to even handicap the races I did it for you.

Draynay 01 Nov 2011 8:36 PM.

Really some longshots here?

Morning lines.

Secret Circle 6/5

Somali Lemonade 3-1

Turbulent Descent 6/5

My Miss Aurelia 5/2

Nahrain 7/2

Plum Pretty 2-1

Cannot wait for Saturday's Longshot picks from Draynay! Maybe there will be a horse of a morning line odds that makes it qualify as a Longshot?

tcc 02 Nov 2011 12:51 PM

Ranag: Team Repole loves Stopshoppingmaria. She is thriving on turf.

Jason Shandler 02 Nov 2011 12:51 PM

Jason,

I have a funny feeling that Stopshoppingmaria's price is going to fall significantly by race time. Remember, Todd Pletcher won this race last year with another More Than Ready filly named More Than Real. Perhaps it's the dejavu "syndrome" that prompted the move to switch this filly to the Juvenile turf (although she would've had a pretty good shot in the Juv Fillies on dirt)but it looks to me like a very astute move by the connections. Mark you, she'll have her work cut out to defeat the top two fillies in here, Elusive Kate and Somali Lemonade but its great to have options with a versatile and classy filly.  Good luck to all backers of "maria".

Ranagulzion 02 Nov 2011 1:17 PM

I'm really worried about Turbulent Decent's 90 day vacation.

Baffert worked Game on Dude behind horses.  Now what's he up to?  Going to the lead?  Perhaps not! The instructions may be to track Mo who is the faster horse.  Drill goes without blinkers.

Caracortado.  Thanks for playing your breaking way out from Mars!

Householder 02 Nov 2011 1:36 PM

Awesome trackjack.

2:24 02 Nov 2011 2:23 PM

When you run a mile that fast you dont automatically assume that if he runs a 25 in the last quarter he wins.If a horse is a middle distance runner he will run the last quarter of a mile and a quarter race gasping for air.

NASCAR PRO 02 Nov 2011 3:34 PM

Amen tcc......Anyone can pick favorites.

Easygoer67 02 Nov 2011 3:50 PM

DRAY

As I indicated when Mo loses you will cut and run, ignoring the fact you picked him. I know it's so important for you grabbing attention by making outlandish comments to focus on you.

Mike Relva 02 Nov 2011 4:29 PM

tcc my longest shot for the day will be Pleasant Prince and anyone betting on longshots will be sad on Friday and may be rewarded on Saturday but good luck picking 1 or 2 longshots.  Friday and Saturday will be won by favorites and 2nd choices.  Secret Circle and Turbulent Descent are simply too good to waste money trying to beat them.  Somoli Lemonade, Plum Pretty, and Nahrain will all be 2nd or 3rd choice at post time but I feel they are the best horses in the race and will win.  What will happen in the Male Sprint who knows but if the first Quarter goes in 21 and change Jackson Bend is your winner if not it could be anyones race.  Rain on Thursday and softness of the turf on Friday and Saturday will bring in the Euro's a firm turf course will bring in some of the Americans.  Good luck to all but don't bet against Mo or Somoli Lemonade if you want to cash your tickets !!!

Draynay 02 Nov 2011 4:29 PM

Let me tell you why Uncle Mo will win the Classic.  He can run a 135 and come home in 25 seconds and win for fun and we all know it.  We saw him run a 133 in the mud so its not hard to imagine him run a 135 and coast home in 25.  The question is who can run faster?  Havre can't do it we already know that and So You Think won't like getting dirt kicked in his face. So who is left to run a sub 202 ?  The fact is when you break it down only Mo can run a sub 202.  Now let me tell you in advance what will be said when Mo crushes this field.  Who did he beat ? A tired filly ?  A turf horse from Europe ?  A slow Flat Out and Stay Thirsty ?  Mo is going to win on Saturday and I can't wait to hear all the BS on Sunday.  By the way Wilburn is a lock on Saturday and a single in your pick 3.

Draynay 02 Nov 2011 5:45 PM

Secret Circle looks very tough in the Juvy Sprint, but I'm going to take some $2 action on Blacky, Shumoos, and Bullets plus use them with SC in the exotics.

I'm liking Maria and Spa in the JFT.

Going 3,6,11,12 exotics in the FMS and a small flyer on Smile.

Northern Passion in the JF, 4,5,9,10 for exotics.

FMT-it's 2,5,6,9 with a wps on Shared Account. She's working well at CD and maybe lightning strikes twice? I like Announce for w/p, also.

Royal Delta in the LC. I'll back her underneath with 2,3,7,8.

Meeznah and Brigantin in the Marathon with Cease and Birdrun for exotics.

I like Farraaj and Caspar in the JT, don't know about exotics yet.

I agree with Jason on FF and Apriority in the Sprint. Prolly use them with Amazombie and Drama for the tricks.

Gonna take a wild stab with Hoofit in the Turf Sprint. RR, Cara, and Bridge to fill it out.

Haven't finalized the mile yet, but I'm liking Wilburn and Jersey Town.

St. Nick in the Turf. Beyond that, I don't know yet.

Haven't done the last three races yet, but I'm liking Dullahan and Fort Loudon some.

I think CC, Byword and Strong Suit have the best shot at Goldi.

Haven't even thought about the Classic yet, but Mo will be in my mix. I saw him in the Juvy last year, and he sure looked like he had another 3/16 in him that day (didn't he, Dray?). So he will be one of my four. Still need to sort out the rest.

Sir Barton 02 Nov 2011 7:03 PM

I'm changing an earlier comment on another blog.  My long shot will be Hansen in the Juvenile.  Truth be told, I don't have a firm opinion about anything at this point.  

Kevin 02 Nov 2011 7:28 PM

Word at CD is that Hansen is skipping over the track and is ready for another huge effort.

Jason Shandler 02 Nov 2011 7:30 PM

Others that seem to be thriving are Chamberlain Bridge, Thirsty, Union Rags.

Jason Shandler 02 Nov 2011 7:31 PM

If mo runs a 135 with pressure most of the way he wont last another 16th before he throws in the towel.If any of you have ever run around a track even one time,the farther you go the more effiently aerobic your cardiovascular system has to be.The sprints are anerobic to humans and I suspect to horses also.A long distance runner is a lot different than a sprinter or middle distance runner.In a sprint which includes the 400 meter to a human which I would compare to a mile for  a thoroughbred racehorse, its all about anerobic speed.In a longer distance race your body has to use oxygen effiently, I have run longer distances,you can improve by your workouts.In sprinting you either have fast twitch muscles or you dont and it is an aerobic exercise.

In distance racing you can improve by working at it.If Hard Spun was in the Classic UM would be dusted after a mile.

NASCAR PRO 02 Nov 2011 7:32 PM

Mo is so good that I will take any bet MO vs Thas just for the win at post time odds.This years 3yos are not even close to the one that gave us Curlin,Hard Spun,Street Sense.But I know THAS was born to route, and MO has not proven he can win in graded company at over a mile and a sixteenth.Anyone would be stupid to take the bet,I would think.I will definitely get more if THAS wins than if MO wins no 2nds or 3rd just the win if neither wins neither collects.

NASCAR PRO 02 Nov 2011 8:09 PM

ONe last thing wiseguy uncles their is one race that has three starters in the classic,do you think the trainers are not good handicappers as the theory goes.

NASCAR PRO 02 Nov 2011 8:29 PM

My bad I stand corrected there are two races that have produced half the field the Penn Derby and the Jockey Club Gold Cup

NASCAR PRO 02 Nov 2011 8:32 PM

I will be posting all my picks for the Breeders Cup SATURDAY races on this blog or the newest blog from Jason if there is one on Friday eveing. DRAYNAY this next comment includes you as well as anyone else that it applies to. ANYONE THAT BETS UNCLE MO IN THE BC CLASSIC IS A MORON. Simple as that. This horse has 1 and I mean 1 two turn Win his entire career!! A race at 8.5 furlongs as a two year old when he was without a doubt better then his competition! He came off a 8 furlong race 4 weeks before that race what would make anyone and I mean anyone think he couldn't run an extra 1/2 furlong at that time in his career! Anyone betting Uncle Mo and betting him at less then 4-1 in the biggest race this time of year is a complete MORON and deserves everything they get. I mean peoples logic with this horse in this race is unlike anything I ever seen. Got to love people who bet with there heart and not there brain, it is truely what makes horseracing the best gamble out there!! I'll take it over a stupid slot any day and twice on Sunday! Good luck everyone this weekend and look for my Saturday Picks on Friday night.

furlongs 02 Nov 2011 8:53 PM

Mike Relva, I love THAS as well. I would not be unhappy to see him win if Uncle Mo can't. Have liked him for awhile. Love that they named him that. As for Uncle Mo, tomorrow should tell the story. I don't think you should all be so certain he isn't going to hit the board. He is incredibly talented. Stay Thirsty seems to be thriving, which is nice to see also. This is going to be an exciting Classic.

Paula Higgins 02 Nov 2011 9:06 PM

Just like his sire, Creative Cause takes to dirt!  Was not too high on him but saw his latest work.  I think Union Rags is at risk having not gone 2 turns yet.

Plum Pretty, what a nice looking filly.  Medaglia D' Oro out of an AP Indy mare.  She may pick up where Have De Grace and Blind Luck leave off.  Can't believe she is the morning line favorite!

Householder 02 Nov 2011 9:10 PM

Hmmm.  Baffert trained Mo's daddy.  I think he has a game plan.

Householder 02 Nov 2011 9:13 PM

I doubt KY VET makes a living betting horses... just saying.

8-8 1/2f is not the same as going 10f people.Totally different scenario.

And lastly.There's no more room on the Hansen Bandwagon,sorry Me and Jersey Tom LaMarra would like his odds to be double-digits at post time thank you very much!

Carlos in Cali 02 Nov 2011 9:32 PM

Hansen is a kind of very interesting mystery horse in the Juvenile.  How good is he? Can he really go gate to wire at this level? Will his performance move up on dirt? Will he be able to withstand the closing surge or even get away from Union Rags?

This makes Breeder's Cup so much fun.  I think that Union Rags blows by him in the lane.

Ranagulzion 02 Nov 2011 9:55 PM

Can history indicate when an upset is likely? Well, if the history of Breeder Cup Classic long shots is used as a guide, there is a major upset pending in 2011. The inaugural running of the BCC ended in an upset with the 31-1 Wild Again. Nine years later (1993) it was the 133-1 Arcanques who lit up the tote. When would the next big upset occur? Well, there was a nine years gap between Wild Again and Arcanques. Is it surprising that majors upset that followed Arcanques occurred nine years later? No! In 2002 the 43-1 Volponi lit up the tote. His 6 1/2L margin of victory remains a record for the Classic. His final prep for the BCC was on Turf and victory was his first and only at the Gl level. It has been nine years since Volponi lit up the tote and based on history another light up is now due. Who is likely to create a major upset in the 2011 Breeder Cup Classic? Now, that’s a “Headache”

Coldfacts 02 Nov 2011 10:50 PM

Shelby's Best Pal, Are you new here?  Welcome!  I am the blog moderator.  It turns out he had a gambling "problem" and other "issues."  I am giving Ted's and Bob's, or as I like to think of us, Ted Bob's, picks tomorrow.  Unlike Draynay, I will pick a horse over 3-1 in at least one race.

Bob from Boston 02 Nov 2011 11:38 PM

HANDICAPPING Horses is like playing POKER....In poker ANYONE can play ACES,AK,QQ etc...But you cant win in the long run, unless you know that there is way more to it than just playing great cards.....DRAYNAY, and JASON seem to be able to understand what a fast horse is....just like most BEGINNERS do.....BUT.. they dont understand that there is a reason the fav. loses 70 percent of the time....secret circle is by far the best...jackson bend is the best..plum pretty ran the best...mo ran the best...turbulent ran the best, miss aurelia ran the best.....etc.....These two seem to like alot of horses that have run their best races, and/or the top race the horse has run.....THEY SIMPLY CANNOT WIN BETTING THESE TYPE OF HORSES....in the long run....Its a game that you need to understand that each race does something to a horse...good and bad...or a series of good races has an effect on a horse...The fact that the good horses run once every month or more might be a clue...do you think turbulant descent's trainer wanted 3 months off coming into this race? Or did the last best ever race do something to her?  not hard to figure out the answer..........JASON/ DRAYNAY....NO SHAME IN FOLDING!!!!!!!

KY VET 03 Nov 2011 12:53 AM

Jason, thanks for the comment concerning Union Rags. I am so glad he is as you say "thriving". That's very encourgaging to me given that the only real question in my mind was if he liked the racing surface at Churchill Downs. A lot of horses don't. I think he will love the additional distance. I don't see two turns as an issue since he has been galloping around two turns at Fair Hill for nearly a year. Matz also seems to think Rag's will love going long.

Who, I am with you on the Hard Spun/Uncle Mo theory. Hard Spun could really blaze a flat mile. He seems to have passed that on to a lot of his progeny. The thing that surprised me about his offspring is the number of them who are loving the turf. Once I thought about that, I guess that it really shouldnt have surprised me given that Hard Spun's sire Danzig, sired Danehill and many others who were turf stars. Yea, I think had Mo been around in 2007 Hard Spun woulda blown his doors off at a mile. That should get the Mo supporters panties in a twist.

Criminal Type 03 Nov 2011 5:55 AM

Longshots...ok.

Ultra Blend 8-1 is ultra consistent.

Harmonious 30-1 is the bomb, just needs a little pace.

Miss Netta 15-1 will break fast and be with top two or three till the end.

Tanda 20-1 finally finds fast dirt.

Dayatthespa 12-1 been outworking stablemate Stacelita.

Shumoos 15-1 really the only possible upsetter in this race.

Hamazing Destiny 10-1 course and distance specialist hits board at price.

Optimizer 15-1 the master strikes twice on BC Day.

Ruler on Ice 30-1 hits board flying late...no mo no mo no mo!!

Think Goldikova goes down....Gio or Stormy or Commons?? Bad day for all previous B.C. winners.

HotRocket 03 Nov 2011 6:57 AM

I think Dear Lavinia is a live live longshot in the Juvenile Filly Turf. It's crazy that a filly shipping in from Europe who has never been off the board in five starts and was just a length and a half behind Elusive Kate in July is 30/1 on the morning line. No matter how you look at it she is an overlay and is definitely worth throwing a few dollars at.

Larry Sealy 03 Nov 2011 9:06 AM

Hannon loved Strong Suit's work over the turf yesterday. He is handling the tight turns fine and is ready for a big effort. Finale looked good but I hate his post, same with Chamberlain Bridge. Going to be a great weekend.

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2011 11:11 AM

Larry Sealy- I was hoping nobody would notice her!

Footlick 03 Nov 2011 11:26 AM

DRAYNO...still playing those speed horses eh? hahahaha

yeah Rachel could also run 133 miles but she without a doubt is a 27-28 last furlong @ 10....didn't you watch the sad site at the 2010 Personal Ensign?...oh yeah she wasn't the same 2009 horse...hahaha....reality she was the same horse running against tougher competition in 2010...

Mo will be SLOW MO after 8.5 - 9 furlongs...

chucky 03 Nov 2011 11:43 AM

Checking back over the years, I have found that the vast majority of Breeders' Cup Classic winners have raced at 10f or more before their win. They didn't always win - several were unplaced in the Santa Anita H, Cat Thief was third in the Kentucky Derby, Volponi was third in the Sword Dancer on turf, Blame was second in the JCGC, etc. - but they had at least tried a distance of ground. The only exceptions are Skywalker, Zenyatta, Raven's Pass, and Ghostzapper. Zenyatta had wins at 9f, as did Ghostzapper and Skywalker (trained by the son and apprentice of Charlie Whittingham) and all were older than 3. Raven's Pass had been running on uphill finishes over a mile in Britain and, as he had been running regularly since April, was dead fit. Otherwise, if you didn't have at least one distance effort, the BC Classic was too much. Also note that both AW Classics at Santa Anita went to horses without 10f experience, accounting for half of the exceptions; don't know what that indicates, it is merely a fact. Anyway, all this makes me think that on CD's dirt with the looonnng stretch, horses without 10f+ experience will be a toss for me in the Classic.

Pedigree Ann 03 Nov 2011 11:50 AM

 Furlongs, I totally agree with you.  Uncle Mo is going to find going a mile and a quarter against these horses a MUCH different proposition than going a mile and a sixteenth against the likes of Boys At Tosconova, etc.

Smoking Baby 03 Nov 2011 11:59 AM

Best quote of the day- Larry Jones

"we didn't want sentimental female vote for horse of the year" That is awesome!!!

Second Best quote of the Day-

Mike Repole x2

"I think Uncle Mo would beat Frankel at a mile on dirt"

"My favorite part of the distance Uncle Mo gets will be the quarter mile jog back to winner's circle w/ Johnny V telling ESPN how great the horse is"

Richard Hannon "we spent 120,000 euros to bring this colt to the BC and we are being treated like 2nd class citizens"

BTW, the euros are pissed that CD management shut down the turf course today at 930, right when the gallpos and works were about to begin!!  BC11 is going to be great

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2011 12:39 PM

Jason,

I don't mind if you censor me, but you made me look like a idiot.  I don't need your help to do that.  You can't just take out a sentence or two and keep the flow and meaning of the paragraph.  One last thought on Kim Kardashian.  She is proof that straight people should not be allowed to marry.  trackjack, enjoy the backside.  You can get a bad breakfast and bad coffee back there.  It's a great spot, particulary for early morning works.    

Bob from Boston 03 Nov 2011 12:53 PM

Mark Sassatelli.  

I'm with you with Ultra Blend.  I think the Breeder's Cup Ladies Classic is a tough order for those 3 year old fillies who just may get smoked.  

When you look at her running line she ALWAYS hits the board against the likes of Zazu, Switch, St. Trinians, Evening Jewel.  

The one biggest question mark I have is the added distance.  I don't think she has ever gone

1 1/8th.  

Could be this year's Life is Sweet.  She's 8-1 morning line and climbing.

Householder 03 Nov 2011 1:17 PM

I guess the trick here is do you leave Harve or Mo on the deep end of the Superfecta?  I'm leaning towards Harve.

Signed,

Quality Road killed my Super, had the rest.

Householder 03 Nov 2011 1:21 PM

I guess the trick here is do you leave Harve or Mo on the deep end of the Superfecta?  I'm leaning towards Harve.

Signed,

Quality Road killed my Super, had the rest.

Householder 03 Nov 2011 1:21 PM.

I will be using the Dirt Mile, the Turf, and the Mile(turf)for superfecta's as there seems like will some value in these race's.

tcc 03 Nov 2011 2:07 PM

Yes Billy we DVRd TVG, they had some good stuff.  Silly as they can be their Works show and Breeders' Cup today is always informative.

The Euros trying to tear apart the rail to get to the turf course was priceless and embarrassing for them.

Skip 03 Nov 2011 2:22 PM

Rain...rain...rain.  The fact is the turf will be soft tomorrow and you MUST now toss all american turf horses.  This is what the Euro's love and they will all be on the top of every turf ticket.  However this is perfect for Somoli Lemonade bet the house on Somoli.

Draynay 03 Nov 2011 2:34 PM

Biggest STICKOUT in the cup races is GOLDIKOVA....nobody in there...maybe other foriegn horse...love CASPER on sat....6 to 1? wow....time to make money!!!!

KY VET 03 Nov 2011 2:46 PM

Excellent comments by all but I never understand why folks need to make this personal. Everyone has a right to an opinion. I always say we can agree to disagree. I have said this all along, until Uncle MO fails at 10 furlongs it is unknown whether he can get the distance. To speculate that he can't is ridiculous, let him run the distance at least once and lets see. Maybe you're right about him, maybe not,  but I am looking forward to seeing for myself.

Picks:

Juvenille Fillies Turf:

Sweet Cat 10-1 Gomez & Pletcher

Juvenille Fillies Dirt:

Grace Hall 4-1 morning line

Filly & Mare Turf:

Stacelita:  best bet of the weekend for me.

Ladies Classic:

Miss Match 10-1 longshot

Plum Pretty 2-1  she won here in the Kentucky Oaks and I feel she loves the track. Horses for courses...

Juvenille Turf:

Majestic City 4-1

Breeders Cup Sprint:

Big Drama...  loves the track, but is he right? That is the question.

Breeders Cup Turf Mile:

Gio Ponti 4-1...........hope its his turn........

Breeders Cup Classic:

Harve de Grace: she makes the race legitimate. In the exotics, I will throw in To Honor and Serve, Game On Dude and So You Think. If Mo' wins then so be it.

My opinion, the hardest race to handicap for the weekend is the Dirt Mile. I believe 7 out of the 9 horses entered have a legitimate shot at winning. I will pick Wilburn but not too confident.

Good luck to all and please let everyone have their say, it's just horse racing...

The Deacon 03 Nov 2011 2:52 PM

I like Dayatthespa, Alpha, and To Honor And Serve who is the best 3 yr old in training right now as my longshots plays.

Leave it to draynay to tout a bunch of faves or near faves on a longshot blog. The guy never gets it no matter the subject.  

I see some like Ultra Bend. I do to but better check this out, I heard she grabbed a quarter in her last work. Know anything about that Jason?

gw bushwacker 03 Nov 2011 3:00 PM

How many of you realize? That other than UNCLE MO , EVERY RACE run by SO YOU THINK would beat every horse in the classic! Yes ..every single race...is better than any horses' best...how often do you see that? So dirt is the only question huh?....this horse is just plain best!!!(unless if mo is the superhorse they think he is).....

KY VET 03 Nov 2011 3:04 PM

Just made last minute plans.  Was invited to the backstretch on Friday and Saturday, made resv. and WILL GO.  

Have to pinch myself; after winning Road To The Roses in 2010, was able to go to last years BC and witness Goldikova, Uncle Mo and of course the great battle between Blame and Zenyatta.  As guests of Churchill Downs this year, did the Oaks and Derby from the 6th Floor Skye Terrace.  Now I'll be able to witness this years BC from the backstretch through a friend.

As much as I like to bet, being there live and seeing these great warriors up close means more to me and I can bet also.

Will post my picks later, wanted to share my joy!

trackjack 02 Nov 2011 12:50 PM

Looks more like you wanted to toot your own horn. I'd ask if you were related to draynay but that's not possible, you seem to have some pretty good handicapping skills. Too bad you feel the need to crow.

gw bushwacker 03 Nov 2011 3:06 PM

Since when is it "longshot" for a horse to go off at 3/1 or less draynay? You are they only one who could look at two days worth of races and come up with only one mediocre "longshot" on either card. Who picked that one for you? Was it flopsy, mopsy, or another wiener dog? My guess is one of them did a do do on your racing form over that name so you took it as an omen.

mr pibb 03 Nov 2011 3:17 PM

Chucky,

Did Rachel Alexandra kick you?  You seem to really hate her.

MonicaV 03 Nov 2011 3:23 PM

BREEDERS CUP SELECTIONS.....FRI.

SECRET CIRCLE

SOMALI LEMONADE

SWITCH

MYMISSAURELIA

ANNOUNCE

ITS TRICKY

SAT. CUP SELECTIONS

CEASE

CASPAR NECTAR**best bet**

AMAZOMBIE

CORACATATO

TRAP SHOT

MIDDAY

UNION RAGS

GODIKOVA** best bet**

SO YOU THINK (LOVE TO SEE MO WIN)

KY VET 03 Nov 2011 3:30 PM

BILLY'S EMPIRE

It's great that rinky dink quotes make you buckle at the knees. A silly comment by Repole regarding Mo beating Frankel since they aren't racing one another. Here's a quote for you Repole doesn't have a crystal ball.

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2011 3:53 PM

THAS will win the Classic. Like what I see with TD, think she will take it.

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2011 3:55 PM

Sheesh, Dray & KY Vet, Where did you two go to school ? Dray has now spelled SOMALI LEMONAID 3 different ways without getting it right. KY Vet, It's My Miss Aurelia (not one word),Goldikova, Trappe Shot, Caracortado and Caspar Netscher. KY Vet, If you want to have more credability then Dray you really need to spell the names correctly.

Criminal Type 03 Nov 2011 4:01 PM

Mr. Pibb post all your BS longshots that you are going to place MONEY on so we can count up all your losses.

When you bet 200 to win and 200 to place on a 3 to 1 and it wins you do very well thank you very much.  I throw in a few longshots in the sprints in my pick 3's but betting on longshots on Friday will make you go broke.

Draynay 03 Nov 2011 4:06 PM

Longshots are a bunch of BS.  Not one of you has said you are betting big money on a longshot.  Until you do please stop your nonsense.  I will have 200 to win and 200 to place on Plum Pretty.  Take a longshot and let me know how it works out for you.

Draynay 03 Nov 2011 4:09 PM

Can I get some of what Mike Repole is smoking ? Mo beats Frankel at  mile....That will never happen.

Criminal Type 03 Nov 2011 4:18 PM

Monica V...

Anybody told you that overrated overhyped Rachel has no kick...

go watch her youtube Personal Ensign...

you one of those that got hoodwinked by the eastern media...um..like that "filly for the AGED?"

lmfao!!!! and why would anybody hate a horse...just stating facts..

she was a product of marketing and hype...get over it....

chucky 03 Nov 2011 4:48 PM

Ah, Mike, can always count on you to follow my posts and respond. I guess the shot that Larry Jones took just went right over your head. Back to your mom's basement. Are you going to come to Churchill this weekend Mike, or are you going to sit in your mom's basement waiting for one of your blog idols to post a comment so you can join in? Pathetic

Billy's Empire 03 Nov 2011 4:56 PM

Monica V...

and now they are marketing Uncle Mo...when will you people realize these speed horses odds of going 10 furlongs is almost ZERO and NONE....

chucky 03 Nov 2011 5:04 PM

Check your spelling Criminal....da.

Draynay 03 Nov 2011 6:46 PM

Billy's Empire

It's you that makes a sad attempt of latching on to important individuals that wouldn't give you the time of day. Yeah, I know what Jones was referring to, do you? Let's see what Jones, Porter says when it goes sideways Saturday.

Mike Relva 03 Nov 2011 6:56 PM

Billy, Larry should leave the not so subtle sarcasm to others its not his forte.  His own owner said he couldn't compare HDG to other mares or fillies just yet.

Larry made that comment in his press conference, Repole made his comment while trading barbs with the TVG people. Don't buy into that stuff too much.  A lot of it is just soundbites for good tv or a hype for their horses and racing.

Mike Repole was probably taking a bit of a shot at Frankel's connections for not coming and Larry was not doing himself any favors.  Hope he hasn't forgotten what can happen.

Skip 03 Nov 2011 8:41 PM

Draynay-

Dont forget your betting $2000 to win on Uncle Mo.... I know you think we need to hear who you like, we all know you like whatever the blink is on the board in every race... I will be posting the horse I think will win each race on Saturday's BC card tomorrow night on the newest blog Jason has. Right now it is the Pick's Blog so look for it. Draynay I want you to mail me that losing Uncle Mo win ticket that says $2000 Win #12... Don't think I want a bunch of losing tickets your picking up on the ground after the Classic that equals $2000 either. If you say your the man and talk all the crap like you do put it up and show us. 1 ticket $2000 win Uncle Mo. If Uncle Mo loses which he will I will let Jason know my home address and he can forward it to you so you can send me the losing ticket and I will post it for everyone to see on these blogs. BUT we all know your not betting $2000 on Mo to win so don't worry when you don't respond we know your doing what you do best DUCKING! As for Friday's BC card didnt look at it don't care about it and if they continue to add stupid races (Marathon, 2yr Sprint, Dirt Mile) the Breeders Cup will become more and more of a disappointment and nothing more then a way for them to make $$$ at the expense of gamblers. STOP ADDING RACES! The Breeders Cup was better when it was a 1 day event! NO interest in Friday's races other then seeing the track conditions and looking for track bias. Good luck everyone at the windows...

furlongs 03 Nov 2011 9:52 PM

Check Yourself Dray, There is a very strong odor of failure coming from your person.

Criminal Type 04 Nov 2011 4:36 AM

Chucky,

You are so wrong.  In the Personal Ensign, she was running the same race as the Woodward.  She was running way to fast for 10 furlongs.  I don't remember what the winning margin was but it wasn't by much.  Had she stalked, she proably would have won.  How do you explain her Mother Goose?

She was eased the last 100 yards and was 1/5 second off of Secretariat's track record.  Had she not been eased she probably would have broken it.  How about the Haskell?  Just a tick off the track record in the slop.  She was no fluke.  She was a great horse and was dead tired after that Woodward leading all the way.  You can say all you want but you nor anyone else can convince me she wasn't the real deal.  You sound hateful, maybe you aren't but you seem to delight in putting Rachel down.  I dont understand it.  No 3 year old filly has ever done what she did and it is unlikely that another ever will.  You get over it.

MonicaV 04 Nov 2011 3:59 PM

SKIP

Exactly.

Mike Relva 04 Nov 2011 4:38 PM

Monica V...What does the MG have to do with the PE?.....just because she was eased does not mean anything...

who did she ran against in the MG? and the MG was what 9 furlongs? why are you fans today have NO CLUE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 9 furlongs and 10 furlongs????

chucky 05 Nov 2011 11:32 PM


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