Super Saver and Me

Pardon the self indulgence that follows, but it is being used in good part to point out how someone can easily go astray on the Kentucky Derby Trail - namely me. Also, I will provide solid reasons why Super Saver has as good a shot to sweep the Triple Crown as anyone in recent years. As for my journey to Egomania, I know I am diving into water way over my head, so humor me. My intentions will be explained later.

It all started last October when I wrote the following about Super Saver after his fourth-place finish in the Champagne Stakes (gr. I):

"Super Saver, despite finishing fourth in the Champagne, turned in a gutsy effort after setting a fast pace, getting passed turning for home, and battling back to be beaten only two lengths for the win and a nose for third. And he did this without changing leads. By Maria's Mon, out of an A.P. Indy mare, he's only going to keep getting better the longer he goes. He's one to watch out for."

Shortly after, when discussing Todd Pletcher's army of 3-year-olds, I wrote:

"Super Saver, owned by WinStar Farm, is a son of Maria's Mon, sire of Kentucky Derby winner Monarchos . His dam, Supercharger, is a Phipps-bred full-sister (by A.P. Indy  ) to major stakes horses Girolamo, Daydreaming, and Accelerator, as well as She's a Winner, dam of Bluegrass Cat. Supercharger's dam, Get Lucky, a graded stakes winner by Mr. Prospector, out of Beldame (gr. I) winner Dance Number, is a full sister to Travers (gr. I) and Breeders' Cup Juvenile (gr. I) winner Rhythm.

Dance Number's dam is the great Numbered Account, making her a half-sister to multiple graded stakes winner Private Account, sire of Personal Ensign. In continuing with the Best of Phipps, Super Saver is inbred three times to Hall of Famer and Horse of the Year Buckpasser.

It doesn't get any better than this, and this is another colt who will be heard from either this fall or definitely next spring."

Then, on Dec. 8, I came up with my first Derby Dozen list, the first time I had compiled one this early.

Early Derby Dozen

1-- Super Saver -- Talented, fast, outstanding pedigree; big score over the Churchill Downs track. Just needs to show he can rate off the pace.
 

2-- Lookin at Lucky -- His second in the BC Juvenile may have been the best performance of the year by a 2-year-old. His future is limitless.
 

3-- Buddy's Saint -- Beautiful-striding colt, push-button acceleration, bred to run all day. Needs to fill into his frame a little more.
 

4-- William's Kitten -- Spectacular move to win the off-the-turf Sunday Silence Stakes; ran big in Ky. Jockey Club and has two excellent efforts on dirt. Distance should be no problem.
 

5-- Dublin -- Champagne can be excused if he runs back to his Hopeful form.
 

6-- American Lion - He's got the looks and the pedigree, but he still has some learning to do.

I soon began to correspond with Calvin Borel's wife Lisa about Super Saver when Borel had an opportunity to ride the colt throughout the Derby trail and Lisa asked me what I thought of him. I won't go into detail regarding our initial correspondence, only to say that it gave me a personal connection with the horse. Lisa went on to provide me with updates and told me Calvin's initial feelings about Super Saver, while addressing my only concern about the horse - his ability, or inability, to rate. Both WinStar and Todd Pletcher felt he was the least likely to rate among their top 3-year-olds. I mentioned this ad nauseam in my future Derby Dozen comments. I also had slight concerns about him being sent to the farm during the winter, but was reassured by those at WinStar that he was perfectly sound and was there just for some R & R. But as we headed into the second week of March, Super Saver still hadn't run, so I had no idea what to do with him on the Derby Dozen.

Here are some excerpts from my earlier conversations with Lisa (which I am using with her blessing and encouragement):

"Hey Steve, just wanted to let you know that Calvin kept the mount on Super Saver -- we are really excited. Todd says he'll run at Gulfstream this winter at some point... Just thought I'd let you know! The more we watched his race the more Calvin got excited about him- he had never sat on him and didn't know what to expect. And Todd said he's been having problems switching leads, just being a green two year old. But he didn't have any problems during the race and Calvin liked the way he finished up despite setting those risky fractions... But the horse is funny about swapping his leads properly, and when Boo watched his previous races he noticed the jock had a pretty tight hold on him and thought that might have something to do with it,  so he just broke and pitched him his head, with the idea the race would be just a learning experience for the horse; to get him to correctly swap leads, etc. And when he turned for home and had way more in the tank than he thought, he came back pretty impressed. I made sure to make him watch the race a few more times a couple days later after you sent me that message and he called his agent and asked him to call Todd for a status report on the horse. Todd says he's doing great and is Calvin's horse if he wants to ride him!"

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"Hey Steve, Will definitely keep you updated on Super Saver. Calvin doesn't think he will have too much problem rating, just wanted to pitch him his head to see if it helped him swap leads easier. Next time he will most likely try to get him to relax and settle in a bit better. He's still really green, but that makes it even more exciting, showing so much raw potential."

Well, Calvin was right. Super Saver learned how to switch leads, and he did get him to rate. All the questions had been answered. Despite two narrow defeats, he looked to be coming into the Derby is great shape, but was overshadowed by stablemate Eskendereya, the overwhelming early Derby favorite who looked to be a superstar in the making. Then Eskendereya was withdrawn with an injury the day after Super Saver turned in a sneaky-good work a week before the Derby. I wrote on two occasions:

"Super Saver did everything on his own, cutting the corner beautifully turning for home, and was striding out nicely at the end. His gallop-out was particularly strong."

"The vibes are beginning to intensify for Super Saver after an excellent work Saturday with Calvin Borel up that went virtually unnoticed. But the son of Maria's Mon did everything the right way and has maintained a high energy level since."

What most people failed to notice was the way Borel "schooled" Super Saver by hugging the rail turning for home, the same way he schooled Street Sense in his Derby works. By working him in that manner, it prepared the colt for his upcoming adventurous trip on the "Borel Trail," where none dare to tread.

So, comes Derby Day, and Super Saver is THE FAVORITE, eventually going off as second choice to Lookin at Lucky. As a very minimal bettor, that was too low for me, so I nixed my win bets and played him in several exactas and trifectas. I had him with Paddy O'Prado, but like an idiot, I left out Ice Box (whose work I loved as well), because his odds also were too low, as third choice at the time. I thought it would be difficult for him as a little horse to weave his way through the entire field on that horrible track. So what happens? He comes from 19th to beat out Paddy O'Prado by a neck, and Make Music For Me, another small horse, comes from 20th to finish fourth. So much for small, deep closers on a sloppy track.

All in all, it was a very satisfying Derby, because of the road getting there with Super Saver. A betting faux pas eventually fades away, but the story behind the race remains forever. And what's a Derby without a good "what if" story?

It gave me great satisfaction at least when Lisa brought up our early conversations as soon as she saw me while heading to the winner's circle.

She later wrote: "You had him pegged all along!!! You even stated, if we could get him to relax it would be very very hard to beat him -- you hit it dead upside the head! Rejoice, that is a very very hard thing to do -- pick the Derby winner in late November.

"It is so unique that a turf writer would have a hand in pairing a horse and rider together for the Kentucky Derby - it's a story that deserves to be told." 

OK, Lisa, you talked me into it. I just told it. And now I'm sure I will be ripped to shreds, and deservedly so. But, what the heck, I'm tough; I can take it (I really can't, I'm just saying that). The truth is, (Joan, close your eyes and please don't read the rest of this sentence) Lisa's words meant more to me than hitting the trifecta. It's all because of that one-time dream of mine to be a bloodstock agent and going out and finding potential Derby horses early in their career. So, in some warped way, I was living out a fantasy. And, on the other end, I also wanted to show the connection between Borel and Super Saver. This wasn't simply a case of a rider being given a mount. Borel put a lot of work and time into getting to know this horse. And it paid off.

OK, enough of this. My lips are swollen from tooting my own horn.

It's time to look ahead. Almost every year, people start envisioning the Derby hero as the next Triple Crown winner. After 32 years and several near-hits, why not?

What makes Super Saver such an appealing Triple Crown possibility is that, as mentioned earlier, he now has no weaknesses...no question marks. I have always maintained the belief that the next Triple Crown winner will be one who achieved big things at 2 in top-class races while building a solid early foundation. Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed all ran in the Champagne, with Big Red and Affirmed winning stakes after the Champagne. Super Saver ran in the Champagne and won the Kentucky Jockey Club after the Champagne.

So, Super Saver has the 2-year-old foundation and class; he has the pedigree; he now has the running style (he can be on the lead, just off the lead, or eight lengths back); he has the trainer and the jockey; he's won big at Belmont; he loves an off track just in case; and his Beyer speed figures have made a steady progression.

Am I stating that Super Saver will sweep the Triple Crown? Of course not. We've all been down this road too many times before. But at this point, very few Derby winners have looked this solid. But you know me and favorites. Whatever rooting interest I might have in Super Saver, I've already got my eye on a couple of longshots.

As we continue through the Triple Crown trail, I promise to keep my mouth shut. Look at it this way: we're all entitled to make a fool of ourselves at least once. So be gentle. 

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fb0252

great post. as we learn again that things "don't just happen". who'd have guessed that Borel was essentially working with Super Saver since Nov. and the thoroughness with which he and Mrs. Borel approach this.  Have we seen this before? Borel works Street Sense twice before derby essentially doing mile works(as shown in the breezing vids.). Ditto Mine that Bird. Did any other horse do mile pre-derby works?  No breeze video this year (what was up with that?), but, by "good Sat. pre-derby breeze", did Haskin mean another Borel mile breeze before the Derby performed by no other horse than SS?  There is a common thread here.

06 May 2010 4:29 PM
runfortheroses12

Ice Box will spoil the Triple Crown (for the 3rd time for Nick Zito, and the second time for Zito and Robert LaPenta in 2 years) in the Belmont!  The pair certainly knows how to stop the Triple Crown dead in its tracks, and they very well may be adding the 2010 Belmont Stakes with Ice Box to the list of Triple Crown spoilers.

06 May 2010 4:46 PM
TerriV

What a fascinating story!  I do remember wondering why Super Saver was at the top of your first Derby dozen.  I never liked his name until someone on your other blog pointed out it sort of fits with the economic themes of the times - and I guess it sort of does.  Wouldn't we all love a TC winner!!  But as great as Calvin is at Churchill, he has lots less experience at Belmont (which is usually the TC downfall).  How can that issue be overcome?  Ice Box was flying and Zito is the Belmont jinx for many a hopeful TC.  Is there some sort of strategy to deal with that?

06 May 2010 4:52 PM
TB63

I would agree for the most part that Super Saver is an excellent horse and would love to have a barn full of him! However, if you studied carefully, have knowledge of pedigree and know that yes it does take alot of luck with regards to post position and staying out of trouble to win this most prestigious most exciting 2+ minutes in sports, the outcome was a synch! Take Calvin (King of Churchill), SS's only race at CD and his only race on the off track, the fact that he is by Maria's Mon(sire of Monarchos) who is by Wavering Monarch probably one of the best mud horses to be on the racetrack and being out of an A.P. Indy mare who could run all day. Also to mention that his speed figures improved as each race he ran the distance were getting longer. Finally Todd Pletcher, on numbers alone and getting the best pedigrees in numbers by far the best barn in the country. There you have all the ingredients of a Derby winner! Granted Pletcher was 0-24 going in but this year his arsenal was loaded more so than in prior years. The fact that he took the time hours before the race to throw on boots and take a stroll on the track also tipped me off that not only he had a concern for the safety of his horses but also wanted to make sure the rail wasn't deep and that CALVIN BO-rail would be just fine down there during the running. I was a Super Saver fan all week and when I walked into my office that morning a few colleagues asked where all my bags where? I replied "Bags"? Yes the bags of money I should have from the bets on SS! I touted him all week to anyone that asked!!! He was my Key with Lookin at Lucky (Compromised by a bad trip in the first furlong and a half), Ice Box (Who may have been best after watching the replay over 100x's) stopped repeadtedly at the top of the stretch and altering course before finally getting clear sailing too late! Then Dublin, who also was filled with incident as he was shuffled arounf early and then came by way of the grandstand only to lose too much ground to make up! What is Wayne thinking with Jock choice! I made some money on the exacta but this was the year! In the last 25 years I have never been so sure of a horse winning the Derby as SS and should have bet the house! In theory I am a great handicapper but a terrible bettor. To sum up Derby 136, it was a great day with the correct horse winning, lightly raced, perfect pedigree, perfect preparation, and perhaps the best jockey to ever get around the Churchill Downs! So now we move onto the Preakness and I think we will have a similar result but this time look out, if Lucky goes there will be a battle to the wire. See you in Baltimore on the 15th!!!!!

06 May 2010 5:01 PM
txhorsefan

Confessions are good for the soul, or something to that effect, Steve, so I hope you feel better now and I am grateful you have chosen to share these further tidbits of information.  To me it didn't come across at all as tooting your own horn, that might have been the case had you wagered accordingly and scored huge and were now gloating.  That you and Lisa Borel were corresponding about Super Saver for a while adds even more interest plus it is wonderful to see that she is so involved in everything.  They just seem like such really nice people and I hope Super Saver can win the Triple Crown for them as much as all of us.  We do have to watch out for Nick Zito, but until June, we can still dream along and enjoy it.

06 May 2010 5:03 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

That was Super of you and Lisa to share your correspondence. For us fans to get that kind of insight from the participants is special. Thanks to you and Lisa and Calvin. When it comes right down to it Steve all you are responsible for is your reporting. You report what you see with class and a special observational skill. What you bet or what anyone else bets based on what you report or don't report has no bearing.

   It's all so ironic isn't it. Eskendereya was supposed to be Pletcher's savior and the horse who had the chance to win a Triple Crown. Super Saver is capable because the distance seems to be no problem, however I will be shocked if he wins The Preakness, but if he wins The Preakness I will be shocked if he wins The Belmont. I see Pleasant Prince, Ice Box, Lookin At Lucky, and Setsuko as formidable opponents standing in his way. And there are others capable too, but having said all of that I still believe Super Saver has a chance. I have been touting his talent for a long time and knew that when he reached the point of being well conditioned that he would be tough.

06 May 2010 5:05 PM
Ranagulzion

STEVE,

Don't you worry friend, ...been there done that too.  In my case I had Super Saver pegged as my #2 choice behind ultra talented Eskendereya for 90% of the Derby Trail.  I was very confident about his pedigree, stamina and versatility after watching his impressive performance in the Kentucky Jockey Club Cup on the same week-end that most peolple were all over Buddy's Saint in his Remsen victory (but I rated Super Saver as more impressive).  He should have inherited the #1 position in the Todd Squad upon Esky's withdrawal but in my mistaken estimation Mission Impazible seemed to be progressing faster in training although SS was really the classier colt in terms of pedigree, performance, 2YO foundation and jockey (Borel vs Derby rookie Rajiv Maragh).  Ah well ...I guess one is never too old to learn in this game, besides, hindsight is 20:20 vision.

I'll take it one classic at a time and pick SS to win the Preakness over Caracortado, irrespective of the rest of the competition. Schoolyard Dreams is worth watching as well as Pleasant Prince because the AP Indy offsprings (those with him on top within the 1st three generations) are going to be coming into their own from here on in.

You haven't responded to the Graded Earnings question in the light of this Derby but I take it that your mention of the historic significanse of the Champaigne Stakes for 2YOs and the importance of Super Saver's 2YO foundation mean that you are retreating from the notion that the system needs changing.

06 May 2010 5:16 PM
AukBlues22

I've been pulling for American Lion since last year (I love a Tiznow) and Eskendereya, but I saw a picture of Super Saver after a workout 3 weeks ago and knew he was it.  He's got calm, soulful eyes and he just seems so confident.  I definitely agree with the pedigree analysis, Derby on top and multiple classics and 2 TC's on the bottom.  Hey maybe we'll have the first TC and BC Classic winner in the next few years.  Well, one can hope.

06 May 2010 5:22 PM
Cgriff

I don't know....I'm just not feeling it yet.

But who knows?  We've jumped on so many horses in the past as the next Affirmed or Slew - and they've all washed out in the end.

Maybe a horse that no one really "gets behind" in a groundswell of early support could be just the one to get the job done!

I mean - did Assault have a lot of supporters in his Triple Crown run?  And many people were still sure Secretariat couldn't run a mile and a half.  So who knows?

I hope he does it - what a bunch of great storylines from the horse and the connections!

06 May 2010 5:23 PM
Freetex

I would so love to see Super Saver get the crown.  I just passed him right up!  I thought oh he is a speeder and how can Calvin pull another Derby on the other jockeys.  Wrong.

Thanks for sharing Steve, and you know, you were right!

06 May 2010 5:25 PM
Steve Haskin

Thank you all.

Txhorsefan, you are right, they are very nice people, and Lisa is terrific, and very passionate, and as you can see, extremely articulate.

Dr. D, you have a wonderful way with words yourself, and I really appreciate them. I agree, there will be some formidable opponents in the Belmont, especially Nick. But he has to get through the Preakness first, and there are some very live horses in there.

TerriV, I would think Calvin learned a lot from last year's Belmont and will be more familarized with the track this time. I hope he gets several mounts on that Friday and Saturday.

TB63, good post and analysis.

06 May 2010 5:26 PM
Karen in Indiana

Thanks, Steve, for the back story and good eye for picking this guy out so early.

I like this horse. It seems like everything has been done the right way for him and that he has the experience and temperament to be able to handle the next month well. Winstar did the right thing by giving him a break at the farm last winter. And the comments you made about getting a good 2 year old foundation and the history of the horses who have won the TC are a good argument for not discounting 2 year old earnings. :-) Had to get that in there.

06 May 2010 5:36 PM
Citation

You know, it's a funny thing, after Super Saver won the Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes, I was extremely impressed and saw him as a colt with extraordinary potential. But after he lost twice I lost a little bit of confidence in him. But at least I can say I saw his huge talent all the way back in November as well. I can't remember, did I post something back then agreeing with your assessment?

06 May 2010 5:41 PM
Duke of Norfolk

Ice Box should have won the race, was the "Touch Gold" of this Triple Crown.

06 May 2010 5:47 PM
shuttleworth

I would love to see Super Saver progress from his Derby win and capture the Triple Crown... it's just hard for me to see it happening - having a huge target on your back, and SS hasn't really shown any true brilliance. He does seem teachable, however, and perhaps he is peaking at just the right time. If he wins the Crown, no one will be able to say that it was a walk-over!

06 May 2010 5:52 PM
Speedball

Congrats to you,Steve, and your relationship with Lisa and Calvin.  This victory couldn't have happened to a nicer, down- to-earth group of people.  We'll keep our fingers crossed for a triple crown winner this year!!  

06 May 2010 6:30 PM
Jet Deck

I really liked the second place finish in the Ark derby second time out this year.  Thought it set him up well.  It doesn't seem like SS has the charisma of Smarty, or the appeal of Funny, or the freak of BB, so it wouldn't surprise me if he gets it done.  I wish I was a scribe, so I could do a followup article on Esky.  Where is he?  Is he lame?  Surgery? Chips?  Healing? Run again this year?  Walking the shed row?  Please Steve, can you give esky fans anything?

06 May 2010 6:32 PM
David R

Steve, did you do one of my numbers, pump up a horse to anyone who will listen and then not bet the horse myself? I've done that quite a few times...

06 May 2010 6:38 PM
Steve Haskin

Just for the record, I am not touting Super Saver to win the Triple Crown, just stating all the things he has going for him. No individual weaknesses. Is he the best 3-year-old in training? I have no idea. No, he doesnt have the flare of the TC winners of the 70s or horses like Smarty Jones or Big Brown, but winning the Preakness would give him a lot more flare, just as it did Real Quiet, Charismatic, and Funny Cide, and even to an extent War Emblem.

As I said, the Preakness will be a tough race.

Ranagulzion and Karen, I am not trying to knock 2-year-old races. As I said, a 2-year-old foundation is something I like in a Classic horse. I am going to put this year down as an aberration and see what happens next year. Istill would like to see certain top-class races -- at 2 and 3 -- count more than other races with higher purses.

06 May 2010 6:53 PM
Steve Haskin

David R, I sure did, but this wasnt in the same category as giving out Arcangues in the BC Classic to everyone. Many people I know made tens of thousands of dollars on him, and in the rush of having to cover two BC races, the Mile and Turf, I wound up betting a whopping $4 on him. I was sick over it and to this day I havent been able to watch that race. And my good buddy, Ed Fountaine of the NY Post, still loves to rub it in. He even blew up all the things I wrote about Arcangues in DRF poster size and tacked it to the wall right next to our desk. On top of that, I had originally picked him on top in the DRF, then asked the editor if we running longshot picks. He said yes, so I changed ny selection to Kissin Kris and picked Arcangues as my longshot. When the paper came out next day I saw they had dropped the longshot picks and I wound up not even mentioning him. See, I'm getting upset just writing about.

06 May 2010 6:59 PM
Emily

I would think (hope?) that if SS and Calvin come into the Belmont with their TC hopes still alive, Todd will be putting him on quite a few horses Friday and Saturday.  I read (maybe from you?) that the reason Calvin didn't ride last year was because he couldn't find decent mounts.  Hopefully the hundreds horses strong Pletcher stable can rectify that!

06 May 2010 7:12 PM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

If you weren't already happily married I would ask for your hand!

You are too much fun and make me feel so much better about the way I keep blowing it at the betting window!

06 May 2010 7:22 PM
Nikki B

Thanks for the great insight! I just wish they would have named him Super Mon instead of Super Saver, but perhaps that name was already taken.

06 May 2010 7:31 PM
cigar1872

Any one now why Calvin only had one glove on????

06 May 2010 7:42 PM
trebloc

Mr. Haskin,  great piece!  Super Saver will win the Triple Crown! He has the name (look at today's market), connections, pedigree, foundation and the horse industry needs a triple crown winner!  Or else we are all doomed!

06 May 2010 8:25 PM
mjl

Steve, just wanted you to know how much I love your posts. I check blood-horse.com several times a day just hoping to see what Steve has to say. Haven't seen your response to the request to information about Esky yet - so I wanted to make another request in case you have an update. Thanks.

06 May 2010 8:26 PM
Spicer Willits

Steve,

"Sloppy track - Stately Victor."

Stable Boy rules!

Great story, though (as always).

06 May 2010 8:53 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  Thank you very much, your kind words are very much appreciated.

 Does anyone wonder if Pleasant Prince had gotten into The Derby if we'd be wondering if he could win the Triple Crown? Or Setuko. If Devil May Care was entered in The Oaks where she had a good chance to win, or if Dutrow had come to his senses we might be talking about another horse other than Super Saver winning the Triple Crown. That is one problem I have with the system. We all want to see a Triple Crown and we decrease the likelihood of that happening when horses are kept out of The Derby that could win The Derby. You earn your way in not only by Graded Earnings but by a 3yo preparation that gives you some chance in heck of a top 4 finish. I know the results of The Derby and I know the argument that Homeboy beat a few horses that were considered to have a chance for the win. That still doesn't mean he should have been in The Derby with that foundation. Super Saver ran great and deserved the win and has a chance to win The Triple Crown but don't be suprised if one of the two Bubble Boys(Pleasant Prince or Setsuko) stands in his way. My pick to win The Preakness is Pleasant Prince or Lookin At Lucky. Lucky's bound to get a clean trip someday, maybe it will be in The Preakness. He is still a tremendous talent. I think Lucky is more like 95-5 to be in The Preakness rather than 51-49. A win by Super Saver would be great too, then we'd be set up for a tremendously exciting Belmont with Ice Box and Setsuko waiting for him. I still consider Zito the best at preparing a horse for The Belmont.

06 May 2010 9:21 PM
Steve Haskin

Zookeeper, with a name like that I would give you my hand. I need someone to cage the wild beast in me.

Nikki B, I love it. What a great name that would have been. Well done.

Mjl, I'm not at liberty to say anything. Give it another day or so.

06 May 2010 9:24 PM
Steve Haskin

Nice, Spicer, rub it in :) I still like him in the slop. That's how dumb I am. Stable Boy's name is not permitted on here. He is one winning pick away from getting hit over the head with his camera.

06 May 2010 9:26 PM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

You made my day! However, my zoo has a no cage policy so I'll just leave things as they are until the wild beast gets tamed.  :) lol!

Dr Drunkinbum,

Glad to see you've escaped the asylum of redundancy going on at the other blog! I'm like you, I'm trying not to think about a TC just yet. If Super Saver wins the Preakness though, I don't know that I'll be able to control myself.

06 May 2010 10:12 PM
Mookie's Hero

Hi Steve

Thanks for sharing your correspondance with Lisa. Your picks and analysis are always just great and I loved that you kept Super Saver as one of your favourites.I needed that encouragement as Calvin was my pick (any horse ridden by Calvin Borel) so this was quite a thrill. And everyone is so knowlegeable and kind about all the KD horses. Good luck to all and a big wish for a triple crown run. Would be great for racing.

06 May 2010 10:26 PM
Linda in Texas

cigar1872 - i remember someone asked that question earlier. I am thinking and guessing, that perhaps Calvin wore the black glove on the right hand as that is the one he held the whip in so it would not slip out of his hand in the sloooopy wet stuff.

With Mr. Haskin's inside connection, Lisa, i bet that will not be a hard thing for him to find out.

It was clever of Calvin to not let on that he had been spending so much time with Super Saver, working on his lead change, etc. and that it did not leak out.

Super Saver's pictures before the Derby were about to change my mind from LAL, but i could not desert him. I didn't, watched LAL get checked 3 times right at the first. One time so badly that he threw his head way up in the air. I knew then it was not to be for him, but i watched the red silks of his jockey battling forward because on HRTV the horses all looked the same color!  

I was proud of Paddy O'Prado and of course Conveyance setting the pace for so long was admirable. Remember i am the wish for the gray to win person. And in a way, Super Saver has some gray in him as he was sired by a gray, and what a pedigree SS has. I was going to list all of them in an earlier post,but didn't send it.  My all time favorite Seattle Slew, of course, and it just goes on and on: Raise a Native, Bold Reasoning, Majestic Prince, who could forget him,and on his dams side,Native Dancer,Nashua,Northern Dancer, Secretariat, Buckpasser whom you mentioned, Bold Ruler. Goodness, talk about bloodlines. Impressive is not a strong enough description. He is about as close to a blue blooded thoroughbred as i can remember. I wish him well.

Steve,I knew you would bring us some inside track information and you did not let us down.

Someone, was it trebloc, mentioned they were going to make sure you got to the Kentucky Derby earlier next year.

With the cleaning bill that you no doubt have from this one, maybe we should help you out with that first!!

What fun your blog is and what a delight it is to read  everyone's

personal stories and remembrances and predictions.

Thank you for letting us all participate and learn from not only your experiences but theirs also. Reading all of the articles and receiving alerts from Bloodhorse.com makes the hours just fly by enroute to the next race!

06 May 2010 10:44 PM
Tim G

Steve, that's the kind of connection you make with people. Great story about Lisa. I'm sure your wife doesn't mind too much.LOL

Hey Steve, ZK is a kind caretaker, even when some of us animals try to bite!

ZK, boy you're right. Lots of manipulating the comments going on over there and really why are they dragging this through the mud right now? Sad.

06 May 2010 10:44 PM
cigar1872

Sorry for the bad beat in your exacta, but if Desormeaux rides his mount out to the wire, Paddy O'Prado holds on for second and your cashing a nice e. That was a pathetic effort from Kent through the final seventy yards. He looked more tired than the horse. And by the way, can someone please explain Calvin wearing just one black glove. Is he the Michael Jackson of riders? Won with the "glove on" riding Atta Boy Roy and Super Saver, but where was the glove when riding Rachel and his mount in the 12th race on the card? Both losers? Just wondering?

06 May 2010 10:49 PM
Gin

Great post Steve. Both Super Saver and Ice Box have great pedigree.  It did not surprise me they ran one two in the derby. Ice Box had such a horrific trip, and really showed his heart.  He is also peaking at the right time. Zito will have him fresh for the Belmont.

I said to a friend, about Ice Box just like I said about Summer Bird before the derby was run.  They both have that way of going to win the Belmont.

I do want a TC winner and I know Super Saver can do it all. Ice Box will be fresh and ready. It will be a great race, just like we need to see right down to the wire between the two!  It may be the most competitive Belmont in years.

But first SS has to defeat Lucky in the Preakness if he goes.  Lucky is one race phenom as well.  

06 May 2010 11:04 PM
SmartStrike

Steve,

Nice story and everyone loves someone who's just plain "human and doesn't put on airs. I think you, Calvin and Lisa Borel fit that category.

Regarding Super Saver and the Triple Crown.

He is defintely a nice horse and is the only other horse I used with Lucky in the Derby exacta but I still think there is a big question surrounding who was the best horse in this Derby and his victory has to be taken with a grain of salt.

He had "everything" go right with his trip while so many others had nightmare trips. He obviously loves the mud and Churchill and you know some of the horses in the race hated one of the other

With all that he still could have been beaten by Ice Box and others could have been much closer.

06 May 2010 11:19 PM
Matthew W

Steve, sometimes--most times--you're first impression is best! As far as I'm concerned, Super Saver won thye3 Derby because he could--and that is something most of the others could not--he ran close to the pace, and while the others tired, he ran on...and while the others closed, he held sway! I, for one, was not impressed with Ice Box and the other closers--a :54 final half? Methinks it looked better than it was  for the closers--Super Saver beats all Derby foes in the Preakness! I'll box him with Caracortado and moonwalk to the cashiers line!

06 May 2010 11:48 PM
Ravenswood Matt

A week out, I was set on Eskendereya and Endorsement as my Derby horses. I am still convinced they may have run 1-2 if both went post-ward.

Then they get scratched and LAL gets stuck with the one-hole. At this point, I felt very sure about SS winning, and was set on him being my horse (esp with Borel up on what figured to be a sloppy track.) But then he becomes the favorite, albeit 7-8-to-1, and I wanted to look elsewhere, and convinced myself of Stately Victor, and focused too much on exotics (including a 6-way exacta that I excluded Ice Box from). I had a $20 (Super) Saver on the winner that led me to break even on the race, which is kind of deflating given how well I had it 'capped. I knew SC and LAL were going to flop, I knew to leave out the filly, I didn't bother with mission Impazible,and I ruled out Conveyance, Lind of David etc on the pace collapse. Ice Box was the one horse I regretted leaving out, as I convinced myself thatthe FLA Derby was weak . . . Oh well, at least I had my Saver.

07 May 2010 12:11 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Some time back I was asking people if they had gotten their tickets to The Belmont yet, thinking that Eskendereya was a strong candidate for the Triple Crown. If Super Saver wins The Preakness then "the other" Pletcher horse will be going for the Triple Crown. Last year they were saying "the other Bird wins The Belmont."  If Super wins The Preakness then I will consider him a much stronger candidate for The Triple Crown than I do now since I think he can run all day. I just don't think he'll win The Preakness. If he does it will be exciting times.  I hope you'll be able to control yourself. Well, if not then I'll bring you cookies to the funny farm. When are visiting hours anyway? Just don't get locked up until after The Belmont !!!! Nurse Rachet might not let you watch TV.

07 May 2010 12:21 AM
Kate

I got to see Super Saver at the Arkansas Derby and I was impressed - I'm not big into betting but I did have a show bet on him (along with show bets on Noble's Promise, Dublin, and in a great piece of handicapping, Line of David - and I was really wishing I'd played some trifectas!). He's a good looking horse and he ran a great Derby. However, he just doesn't stand out to me significantly - I don't know that he has what it takes to be a Triple Crown winner. I would LOVE to see a Triple Crown winner - but I think the only horse I've seen in the last decade who I felt really good about was Barbaro, poor thing. I just think we've had too many years of fields that were too open.

07 May 2010 1:16 AM
tanna rae

Steve, your impression of Super Saver was spot on.  Enter Calvin Borel to teach this talented horse what he needed to know and it was definitely possible for him to win the Derby.  Loved your inclusion of correspondance between you and Mrs. Borel (Go Steve = toot your own horn!) this is insightful Derby post-race info. Will take it into consideration when handicapping Preakness following post position draw. By the way, was not following Super Saver in prep races, didn't know much about him, but picked him to win Derby based on my criteria once posts were drawn.  He produced a plus in all ten of my columns of criteria -the only horse to do that.  Borel,of course, was a factor. Many thanks for your writings - as a new handicapper, always look forward to reading and learning from you.

07 May 2010 2:09 AM
jayjay

Great story, as many have already said, these are the things we never hear about.  Thanks to you and Lisa for sharing.

In the other blog (Jason's blog), I said that although my horses are IceBox and Make Music For Me in the Belmont, I wouldn't mind losing if SS gets a chance at the triple crown.  It would just be really great for the horse racing industry, it's the kind of exposure it needs.  I also said that wouldn't it be great if the racing gods do some weird stuff and actually end the TC drought and give it to SS ?  To the trainer and owner who has never won the Derby until this year ?  Both of whom will be very deserving of it, not to mention "Boo" whose work ethics you just described on this blog.  

07 May 2010 2:36 AM
Angel Safe

Super Saver deserves the accolades, but, with a 20 horse field the Derby has become a sham.  A publicity stunt.  If you watch the replay carefully both Looking At Lucky and Dublin were victims of horrific racing luck and bad rides.  Ice Box was left, literally, flat footed, stopped to a crawl, three times in the same race.  He was easily ten lenghths better than the winner.  While I'm thrilled to see one of sport's most talented trainers, Todd Pletcher, win his first, in my mind the real winner of the 2010 Derby will always be Ice Box.  I hope his stud fee won't be outlandish as I'm going to buy a mare or two to breed to him.

07 May 2010 4:37 AM
ray

There are certain people who I am certain that God doesn't want to bet namely me. For two months I had been telling everyone that super saver would win the derby. I played him in the Tampa Derby and the Arkansas derby. Then I go to the window to put my bet on Saturday and I buy Sidney's candy. How stupid can you get. My wife and daughter were cheeering on SS thinking I had already placed my bet on him. Well next year!

07 May 2010 6:05 AM
Trebloc

LAL reminds me of Pioneer of the Nile.  Baffert trained, ships in from CA for the Derby, M/L favorite in the Derby gets beat.  The connections run him back in the Preakness, loses and is never seen on a race track again.  I also heard rumors that Dublin is a sore/tired horse.

07 May 2010 6:52 AM
Carlos n

What Lukas is doing with Dublin in the Preakness?.That horse will be ruined just like what he did with Flaying Pastern last year in keeping on running in all the triple crown races and finish up the track every times.

07 May 2010 7:01 AM
Slew

Thank you for a great inside view, Steve.  Do you think any of us will ever again dismiss Calvin on any Derby mount.  Maybe it is his turn for a Triple Crown.  I, for one, am starving for that feast after 32 years of appetizers.

..we've been so close too many times.

07 May 2010 7:23 AM
Fran Loszynski

Loved reading your column -article Steve as always you are a reporter that admits when wrong and doesn't gloat if right but states the facts. However-I don't think Super Saver is a Triple Crown winner-Lookin At Lucky will win the Preakness, he is due, and yes I know folks here it comes-

Dublin wins the Belmont. He's only been waiting for the distance and I say it again don't tire him out when he wants to run from the gate by holding him in-let the machine go go go- The Belmont is the race he has been waiting for. He is a distance racehorse. You have to admit there he was on the outside coming around the turn.  He is a Birdstone in Dublin silks. My faith stands strong with my Dublin!

07 May 2010 7:25 AM
JerseyBoy

Great article Steve.Great insight.

If you had related your discussion with Lisa at the outset I would have doubled my Future wagers on the horse. I have never been more confident in a horse. I saw only Eskendereya as an obstacle.

Steve, I think more emphasis should be placed on weight differences in races. At level weights Super Saver would have won both of his preps and we would have been asking- Is he as good as  Eskendereya? For some reason the weight concessions went unnoticed when people placed their bets in the 3 Future pools.

This horse could be anything.

07 May 2010 7:34 AM
txhorsefan

With all the comments on here regarding Super Saver's name, has anyone given much thought to his rival's name :  Ice Box?  Now that is a name that I have a harder time figuring out, like - huh?  where did that come from?  Super Saver I can get from his dam Supercharger and as several mentioned, the Saver part could be in light of the economics we employ rather than the corner grocery, but Ice Box?  I dunno.  :)  

07 May 2010 8:35 AM
trackjack

Great article, Steve.  Thanks!  Let's get Super Saver a win in the Preakness and go into Belmont with the TC on the line.  I'll be at the 1/16th pole on the apron and finally witness a TCW live.  Of course I'm dreaming, but that's what we all do in this game.  Don't worry about the knocks, Steve, it comes with the territory.  You have the platform to let us all know your thoughts and picks, and why. You do a great job of informing us.  We all have to suffer with our losing picks but looking to the next race keeps us going.  Thanks again.

Speaking of dreaming, what if Drosselmeyer runs good in the Dwyer, Super Saver wins the Preakness and Todd Pletcher has another good shooter or two to put in the Belmont?  I'd like to be a fly on the wall when WinStar, Bill Mott and Todd Pletcher discuss who will run with a TC on the line.  Just dreamin'.

I have some great news for all the bloggers in a week or two.  Will keep you posted.  

07 May 2010 8:39 AM
Triple Crown Karen

Hey Steve!  As ALWAYS a GREAT "read".   Being of a "certain age"  I LOVED SS' connections to the mighty BUCKPASSER, a horse for whom I had/have much affection!   You just can't BEAT the old tried & true blood, but ultimately they can have all the talent in the world but if they don't have the HEART, "it don't matter"!   BTW, Steve, I've been toying with idea of buying another TB broodmare to breed.......Before I hit one of the OCALA sales.....I'll call you....you can play bloodstock agent and help me pick a "sleeper" to breed to one of our good Florida stallions!  :)

07 May 2010 9:21 AM
Colin

Dear Steve,

Thanks for an enjoyable column. Could you please post a picture of yourself blowing you own horn? I am a little confused as to how that works.

07 May 2010 10:06 AM
Fran Loszynski

To carlos n and trebloc.

Thank you for worrying about Dublin but Dublin's Big Day is approaching- in June THE BELMONT. Don't ever forget Afleet Alex's stamina.  I don't doubt for one minute Wayne Lukas watched every tape of Alex's races before he purchased Dublin. And you're forgetting one other little individual who looks out for all of Afleet Alex's Kids-Alex Scott. Her little wings will hold Dublin up.

07 May 2010 10:20 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

I just watched the replay. YEP. Desormeaux stopped riding like it was over. He looked over his shoulder at the horses directly behind him and felt like none of them could beat him so he cruised in thinking his place wouldn't change. If he would have kept pushing him to the wire I would have made a lot of money. As it is I've lost every photo, every head, every neck this year and every time I had to count on Desormeaux. I think it's time for a sabbatical. I had 4 big exactas with Super and Paddy but only a small one with Ice Box and Super. I might do something unprecedented-just watch The Preakness and Belmont without betting. I don't know if I can take another close loss. It started with The Tampa Derby and continued through The Derby. I even had Evening Jewel  in The Oaks singled in the Daily Double with all. One of the worst was Pleasant Prince in FL Derby. He was 29-1.

07 May 2010 10:22 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Add Schoolyard Dreams to possible Preakness winners along with Pleasant Prince and Lookin At Lucky.

07 May 2010 11:04 AM
The Fish

The prevailing theory seems to be that Ice Box will run down Super Saver in the Belmont.  I don't see it.  How much success do deep closers have at Belmont? Usually not much.  Also how many times do we see a horse make a big late run in the Derby and we take it to mean that the horse wants extra distance.  The truth is that Super Saver has the preferred running style for the Belmont, and why I give him a slight chance at winning the triple crown.  

07 May 2010 11:06 AM
Frank J.

Steve, great column and insight. Fran, please stop with Dublin already, I can't believe your posts even got on the blog. Do you really think all of Afleet Alex's kids will be half as good as he was?? Carlos is right, he has zero business being in any of the remaining TC races.

07 May 2010 11:18 AM
Zookeeper

Tim G,

I agree, atrocious timing and completely irrelevant because no official announcement has been made and the controversial race isn't until JUNE. This choice of topic, right in the middle of the TC season, is a "puzzlement". The other TC blog stopped dead in its track, the wind completely sucked out of it by the fury that's happening on the new one. Thank goodness we can come and Hang with Haskin... an oasis of sanity and civility!

07 May 2010 11:29 AM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Smart move on your part to stop betting until your "photo finish jinx" has run its course. Otherwise you might find yourself right next to me at the Funny Farm. LOL!

However, as I doubt my being able to control myself re a TC FEVER if Super Saver wins the Preakness, I'm equally doubtful that you will be successful in your new resolve of restraining the impulse to bet, especially if Setsuko struts his beautiful self in front of you. :)

07 May 2010 11:40 AM
Wayne A. LeBlanc

Very good article,Steve

I agree with you SS has the breeding to win TC this year

Just needs the luck.

SS -1ST

LAL-2ND

Ice Box -3rd

Dublin- 4th

07 May 2010 11:54 AM
El Kabong

Mr. Haskin,

Thanks for sharing this story. It's really a big part of it all and it's why we feel so terrific when it comes to pass, and so nauseated when we are so so very wrong(MTB:). We all put in countless hours that begin in Fall and the clock runs right up to the gate in May. I've already told my super saver/Haskin chronology to the winners circle after your last article, so I'll only repeat the part you need to know. You are a big part of the fun for all of us Derby loons, and it just wouldn't be the same without all your hard work behind the scenes which you so eloquently share with us. You're proof that it's not all about winning, as fun as that may be, but more so it's about the journey that involves so many characters(dray and coldfacts too)twists of fate(eskendereya for one) moments of clarity and confusion(too many to mention). But you are the straw that stirs this drink and I sir, shall have another round. On to Maryland my good man.

07 May 2010 12:11 PM
Zookeeper

All kidding aside, I think we are in for a heck of a race in the Preakness!!! To begin with, the race will have a reasonable size. It has a better chance of being run without a horse encountering so much trouble that it loses all chances from the get go(fingers crossed). Fewer in the field will run under the banner "I don't belong but they're throwing me in here anyway", if any.

One week to go to what I suspect will be the BEST race of this year TC series! The anticipation has me drooling!

07 May 2010 12:23 PM
ace

Mr. Haskin, I don't think you ever have to worry about others thinking your tooting your own horn.  We enjoy tooting it for you!

Agree with earlier remarks re Ice Box,  I think the Derby or even Preakness suited him distance wise better than the Belmont.  If he stays healthy he will be a tough out in the Travers or Breeders Cup Classic.

Wish Lukas would have rested Dublin, Belmont would seem a better spot for him than the Preakness.

07 May 2010 1:14 PM
Tim G

I really don't see a TC winner this year. SS got a perfect trip and Calvin owns CD. Even though SS looks like he's peaking, maybe he peaked?? A couple more tough races and who knows with the Belmont?

I hope my horse comes through. Ornery little (big) devil he is.

Came out of the Derby great and if he can't run em down in the Preakness maybe he can grind it out and out last them in the Belmont????

ZK, yes that had one motive and one only. Not sure about you but know some of the saner posts questioning that very thing 'why now' were scrapped...

Even though the person was 'ready for the heat', headed to a PJ concert.

07 May 2010 1:15 PM
Deacon

Well written article Steve, you were right about Super Saver and I was wrong. I did not like the horse as a contender and said so more then once in these blogs. Congrats on putting him in your top 10 consistently.

Before this years Derby ESPN was running 30 minute past Kentucky Derby replays and what I noticied most was the 12 or 13 horse field limitation. Races were more truer ran, not the calvary charge they are today. As long as there are 20 horse fields, I don't think we will see another Triple Crown winner. The best horse does not usually win the Derby anymore. It's very sad but so true. After watching Seattle Slew, Affirmed and Spectacular Bid it's hard to watch today's Triple Crown.

07 May 2010 1:20 PM
Tim G

Carlos, not sure what your issue is but Flying Private finished second to Arson Squad and is improving every race. He's back runnin but what is going on with the other horses that ran last year? I'd say Wayne kept him healthier than PON or the others.

Dublin looks great, feels great and acts like he never ran in a race. I know you THINK you have inside information on Wayne, but you don't. Please don't embarrass yourself by acting like you do and letting your imaginary connection run away with you.

Trebloc, there were these same rumors before. How does a horse get tired with 4 races in 7 months?

Go watch the colt, go look at him in his barn, go ask Terry what he thinks. His getting loose, antics? Like Terry and Wayne and anyone connected with him will keep telling you, THAT is just his way...

07 May 2010 1:24 PM
cgriff

Steve,

Don't begrudge Stable Boy's success - he could be some sort of handicapping savant - you never know!

I still think we need to be marketing "Team Stable Boy" t-shirts!

:)

07 May 2010 1:57 PM
Marilyn

Another great article Mr. Haskin,

Why is everyone saying that Calvin gets no mounts at Belmont?  I take my kids there at least every other week in the summer and I've seen him quite a few times, and not just the day of the Mother Goose.  Calvin will be just fine at Belmont.  It's Ice Box I'd be worried about.  Someone said that a deep closer never wins at Belmont, well I had front row seats at the Derby and could see him coming on so strong that if that race were just 5 or 10 feet longer, he would be the winner, and we would be talking about Ice Box instead of Super Saver right now.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Super Saver win the triple crown, I just don't think it's going to happen.  I've seen too many horses just give it all up at Belmont in the 1 and 1/2 miles.  Anyway, whatever happens, whoever wins, let's just hope that everyone comes out of it healthy and sound!

07 May 2010 2:04 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  You're probably correct on all counts as usual. You sure know me well. I really like The Preakness. It will be a surprise if it's not competitive. Blanket photo finish. Everyone that is projected to be in The Preakness belongs. Just carry a handkerchief with you for the drooling and you'll be OK.

07 May 2010 2:15 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

El Kabong

  Excellent post as usual. It definitely would not be the same without Haskin Derby reports. In fact I think he's the one that got me into this mess of spending too much time on The Derby. I used to treat it like any other race like a sane person before he turned me into a Derby Madman. I do have fatih that I can regain my sanity for next year and spend about a fifth of the time on The Derby than I did this year. I still will read Haskin though. I don't want to go overboard.

07 May 2010 2:18 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

It appears that they are coming to their senses with Noble's Promise. He could be a very good miler. Why keep pushing it with the distance limitations? A fifth in The Derby with distance limitations proves his class.

07 May 2010 2:22 PM
Fran Loszynski

To Frank J.

Steve puts my comments on because he knows I am a fan of horseracing and I enjoy hearing about Afleet Alex's colts and fillies. and for your info -in my past I have picked Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Funny Cide, Silver Charm, Smarty Jones, and Afleet Alex. Permission to go Hmmmmmmmm if Dublin wins!

07 May 2010 2:28 PM
Steve Haskin

Dr. D, you crack me up.

Cgriff, I think you hit it right on the head with Stable Boy. Now I dont feel so bad.

Thanks, Ace, I appreciate it. Just dont get swollen lips.

07 May 2010 3:17 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

   That's good. A little payment in return for all of the enjoyment you've given me through the years. Thank you.

07 May 2010 4:04 PM
Serena

GREAT, GREAT COLUMN!!!  I didn't read any of the other posts before writing so I may have to revisit.  At this point I certainly hope there was no Steve-bashing going on. You are NOT an egomaniac!  I followed your coverage of Super Saver from the get-go and felt your words were validated by his win and that it really shouldn't have come as any big surprise, given his pedigree.  Bravo, as usual for your spot-on column.  I certainly hope he has what it takes to win the T.C.

Sidebar: I live in Cleveland, by way of Philly, and both cities have had their fair share of winners (not so much) & losers (so much!) When our new sports stadiums were being built (both cities) the "buy a brick" campaign was on to raise $$ for the arenas' constructions. You can have anything engraved on your brick and one here always stood out in my mind with regard to our Cleveland Indians:  "Just Once Before I'm Gone"  That's sorta my mantra for another Triple Crown.  I was in high school for the last one and would dearly love to experience that again... before I'm gone.....  

Love everything you write Steve!!!!

Looking forward to more!

p.s. speaking of 'bricks'  At the KY Horsepark, there's a bunch of 'em around the gorgeous Secretariat statue....among all the great tributes one says:  "Sham....Noble in Defeat"  

We should never forget that it is, ultimately, the HORSE that this is all about.  Never was a more noble animal created.

07 May 2010 4:06 PM
merasmag

all you really needed to know about super saver derby week was the fact that walden and pletcher were televised wearing his hat.

07 May 2010 4:13 PM
Serena

Just wanna add something about names:

Super Saver isn't the best but there are plenty worse than that.  Would hate to see "First Dude" beat him!!! First DUDE??? Gimme a break.

All in all, Secretariat wasn't actually a household name or even very clever BUT looking at the whole package that he was, his name will forever be revered.  With his Hollywood good-looks, raw masculine power, southern roots (a Virginia bred) he could have been called Rhett Butler ! I hear they wanted to name him SomethingSpecial as a reference to his dam.....  Can't you just hear Chic Anderson saying how SomethingSpecial is moving like a tremendous machine ??!! Doesn't have the same "oomph"  

Have a great weekend everybody!

07 May 2010 4:16 PM
Zookeeper

Hearing of Dublin's antics at training time is reminding me of Tiznow's refusal to cooperate with his training until he was good and ready. Chris McCarron said that Tiznow was very smart and figured out that if he quicky got his training done, he would be whisked away to his stall, too fast for his taste. So, he messed around and extended his stay out of the barn. Nobody would say that Tiznow had issues on race day.

Maybe Dublin is just having fun and stretching his "play time" as far as he can. Not all horses are workman-like, some are a little more free-spirited and give their humans all that they can handle. Wasn't Fusaichi Pegasus also a bear while training?

I'm sure Mr. Haskin has a long list of horses who were deemed ornery but excelled when it counted.

Dr Drunkinbum,

A bib would also be helpful.

Tim G,

What reason did you come up with? I couldn't think of one.

07 May 2010 4:47 PM
Pedigree Shelly

     Excellent article Steve !I've always believed a Derby winner should have a good two year old foundation. I would love to see SS win the Triple Crown,but my heart is with Ice Box ! He ran his heart out in the Derby and with better racing luck he could have won ! " Angel Safe " hit the nail on the head .LAL fits the Preakness well ,he could redeem himself there.

07 May 2010 5:00 PM
MikeM

Paddy O'Prado in the Preakness. He's getting better at the right time and has as good if not better pedigree than any horse in the race. Who knows, maybe this time Kent will ride him to the wire.  

07 May 2010 5:08 PM
OLD TIMER

Steve,

My hat's off to you for being so candid. I guess that I can also admit that my first inclination was to box Eskendereya; Ice Box; Looking at Lucky and Sidney's Candy in the exacta. When Eskendereya scratched, I replaced him with Super Saver. I did it for two reasons. Make that three reasons... his workout; his consistency and Calvin Borel. I suppose it encouraged me even more that he liked the mud and he had won nicely at CD.

I like Ice Box a lot, but I really wonder if such a stone closer can win the Belmont. We'll see.

07 May 2010 5:10 PM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

I've just read your article re Noble's Promise going to Ascot. Is there a better story this year than this group of average Joes, pooling their money to buy a horse for $10,000 and ending up at the KD in May and Ascot in June? If there is one, tell it to me, I'll listen.

I wish a certain person hadn't been touting him so obnoxiously. I always like to root for the little guys, but I was so turned off by this clown's rants that I failed to appreciate how priceless the story behind Noble's was.

Hopefully, since the colt did not win at CD, this individual will move on to some other hapeless victim and I'll be able to enjoy the rest of the tale.

Serena,

Great posts! Loved the bricks!

07 May 2010 5:13 PM
Tim G

Frank J, you know that about Dublin do you?

LOL funny how people who would probably be tongue tied if Wayne even spoke to them think they know all about his horses.

So Dublin has no place in the race? He didn't embarrass himself in the Derby. He was the ONLY horse in the top 10 out of the auxiliary gate and didn't get a good trip.  There's a rule somewhere that just because you don't like his trainer he doesn't belong?  If he doesn't belong then neither does LAL or almost anyone else who's running then. Some of the new shooters couldn't even finish on the board in their preps.

Some made desperate attempts to get in and failed.

Fran, you just go ahead and keep loving Dublin, that's fine with us.

He's a good looking son of a gun and as Wayne says dances to his own drum (a little bit of license with the saying by him but I'm not correcting him)

What do you guys think, owners, fans and trainers should just ignore the horses, toss them away or put them in a claiming race because they don't suit your fancy?

07 May 2010 5:14 PM
Zookeeper

Where is everybody? Are they so exhausted from the slugger fest that was going on at Jason's that they have no energy left for civil conversation.

Tim G,

Yes, I noticed the quick exit stage left. Even HE couldn't stand the fumes. lol!

07 May 2010 5:31 PM
Tim G

Wow Steve just got a chance to come back on. Saw your article on Noble's Promise going to ENGLAND??

Not too sure about that. The Euro worth more than the $ as a reason? But the cost is a killer.

07 May 2010 5:31 PM
Annette

txhorsefan;

About the name Ice Box.  It stands for ONE COOL CUSTOMER!

07 May 2010 5:43 PM
sodapopkid

Steve,  the horse 'FIRST DUDE' is he from Alaska?   Seriously, thats what I remember Sarah Palin referred to Todd her husband as first dude.

07 May 2010 5:52 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Marilyn

  Nice post. That is my sentiments exactly. The bottom line is that all I really care about is the horse's and the jockey's safety. I don't do well with breakdowns. It is devastating to me. Thank you for that little reminder. I can rant and rave about bets lost and who's not able to get in the race and so on but if it's a safe day then it's a great day.

07 May 2010 5:56 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  That guy had me not liking Noble's Promise too !!!! Then I said to myself, "That's idiotic." I started liking Noble's Promise better and realizing that he had class and thought that he could crack the top five. I was actually very close to hitting the Super High Five and Superfecta. I had started liking Make Music For Me too. I will be working real hard at not turning against horses because of idiotic humans.

MikeM

 Paddy O Prado is looking good and I think that is one place that his jockey rides better. My only bet if I bet will be Pleasant Prince WPS. I'm done betting exotics this year in any race Desormeaux is in. He is my nemisis this year. It seems like there is one every year that beats you some way, anyway they can. But I've never had a year like this, losing with so many close calls and weird rides. The one thing I can say about Desormeaux is that he's getting a little better as the year progresses. He was horrible early in the year. I don't dislike him but his excuses have gotten annoying. Tomorrow is interesting with Drosselmeister. His ride in The LA Derby was not very good. He ran the horse into trouble then complains that if he wasn't blocked he would have won.

07 May 2010 6:11 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

sodapopkid

  Her husband is a horse of course, of course, the famous First Dude. So he probably is from Alaska. Or did she say he was a horse's ass? I can't remember, but I think you might be correct in this matter.

07 May 2010 6:14 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

I don't think Super Saver will be in The Belmont. He'll be getting a much deserved rest after getting nipped in The Preakness. Wouldn't you love to see Super and Lucky battling nose to nose then Pleasant Prince flying by them both? No, you say. OK, I hope you change your mind and enjoy the show. That is a likely scenario.

07 May 2010 6:20 PM
Zookeeper

Here's a bit of information that I picked up while listening to the Podcast with Elliott Walden of WinStar Farm:

Super Saver's dam, Super Charger, was purchased, by Winstar, from the Phipps family while in foal to Maria's Mon. Oh! the irony of having sold (in utero) the colt that would become this year's Kentucky Derby winner!!!

The regrets we feel because of our mistakes at the betting window PALE in comparison to what the Phipps must have experienced on May 1st. Oooooh! that must have hurt!    

07 May 2010 6:21 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Dublin ran good in The Derby and as long as he's ready to run I'm all for a Preakness entry. He did great to run 7th in that zoo stampede. Right Zookeeper?

07 May 2010 6:23 PM
sodapopkid

Tim G, Zookeeper:   Yeah, Jason knew he was cutting open a can of worms when he posted that blog yesterday morning at 10:41 am, I believe he wasns't expecting for it to get so heated so quickly 376 posts overnight, Gosh, thats a heated post.  I expect he needed to cut the computer off and leave,

But can you imagine how many posts he will have waiting for him when he cuts his computer back on............A whole lotta reading and posting...........

The two girls get more publicity and talk than the triple crown,

Who woulda guessed it.............

07 May 2010 6:31 PM
Annette

ZooKeeper;

You were asking where everyone went. They got tired of the nonsensicle spew of Wretchell, and Draynay.

07 May 2010 6:42 PM
sodapopkid

I just read that Esky is retired. Thats not hard to believe considering his injury,

What is hard to believe is what JJ wants to buy him for??

What does he intend to do with a lame horse?  he sure cant' race him anymore?   I guess he can use him for breeding.   Whats up with that Steve??

07 May 2010 6:44 PM
RGGC

Good for you Steve, you deserve to beat your own drum. I too dreamt of being a bloodstock agent when I was young. At least you got this close and I am still just a super fan. Bask in the glory, you deserve it. I hope he goes all the way!

07 May 2010 6:46 PM
Rechelle

Steve, great blog!  I always liked Super Saver and once Calvin went up on him and was named his jockey in the Derby, my confidence in him went up.  I really believe he'll get the Preakness quite easily but what worries me is the distance of the Belmont.  I think he can get it, but he's going to go into it more tired than the Derby horses who are going to the Belmont rather than facing SS in the Preakness.  What also makes me continue to support Calvin & SS is his confidence in SS.  I have never heard Calvin state that his horse is going to win the Triple Crown, not even when he was on Street Sense.  He knows this horse as well as anyone and knows how much was left in SS at the finish of the Derby.  To me, it seemed like he still had a lot left and could've easily gone the extra quarter of a mile.  

I hope Calvin was right, it would be so amazing to finally have another TC winner after 31 years, not to mention how much positive attention it would generate and the new fans it would attract.  

07 May 2010 7:07 PM
Trebloc

Just went to the ICE BOX and got myself a a cold one...  Nice to see the connections of NP coming to their senses.  I like the heart of NP, but time to stick to a mile.  Looking forward to the Preakness and the hopes of a Triple Crown.

07 May 2010 7:09 PM
Zookeeper

Eskendereya's retirement, due to a soft tissue injury, didn't come as a complete surprise, but it is sad that we won't see him fulfill the promise of a brilliant career. There is no sure thing in this business, but I feel for the Zayat family who had such hopes for this beautiful, talented colt.

Eskendereya, I'm sad to see you go. I hope you heal quickly and completely. I wish you a long and happy life as a successful stallion.

07 May 2010 7:15 PM
Exhausted Dona

Steve, Thank you for the breath of fresh air. Nice to be able to sit and quitely read something that is both soothing of mind and nourshing for body and soul. I like the idea of you having a special interaction with this years Derby participants, it gives the winning team that "human touch" we all look for and enjoy. Nice to know that Calvin put in time and effort to get his winning edge and it not just a case of dumb/blind luck that he won being on the rail as some would have us believe. I'm not a Borel fan per se, no particular reason, we don't always know why someone does or doesn't ring our bell but I admire hard work and tenacity and judging by your horn tootin tune, he earned his win the old fashioned way. I like that, I like knowing that. Guess I just liked your tune, period.

Zookeeper, you are so right. I couldn't finish reading the other blog story because knowing the decision hasn't been made, it all seemed to be so unwarranted. I just don't get it. Thus, my sign-off moniker.

07 May 2010 8:15 PM
jayjay

I too am glad to see NP going to Ascot, I'm rooting for him to win in England or even place or show.

I'm sticking with my choices for the Preakness, playing SS with Dublin and LAL (I'm still hoping that a last minute announcement from Baffert will be that Mike Smith will be riding LAL).  And this time, I won't forget Paddy also.

Thanks again for the great story Steve and thank Lisa too.  I sure hope we get to see a TC winner this time for TP, Winstar, Borel and all the fans of horseracing around the world.

07 May 2010 8:51 PM
TerriV

Just read about Eske - how very sad.  Such a beautiful, talented boy.  It just so hard to make the mental leap from his Wood to "never racing again".  May he get all the love and care he deserves in his new job...

07 May 2010 8:56 PM
TerriV

It's been interesting to read some of the comments about Kent Desormeaux on these blogs.  I really liked Paddy O'Prado but found it hard to go with him because of his jockey.  I've never liked his style of riding, he's rough on the horses he rides.  Almost fighting with them rather than riding as a partner with respect for the animal.  It's kind of like what's been said about not liking Nobles Promise because of his most obnoxious supporter.  I have to work at getting past the jockey.  Other times I learn to like the horse because I respect the jockey so much.  That would be Calvin and Mike Smith.  It's amazing how much emotion goes into which horse we love.

07 May 2010 9:03 PM
Blood-Horse Staff

If you have comments for Jason or regarding Jason's blog, please post them on his blog, not here. Thanks.

07 May 2010 9:06 PM
Tim G

Rechelle, he proclaimed last year that he would win the 'jockey TC' much in the same way Wayne won the 'trainer TC'.

You profess to being a 'trainer' of I'm not sure what, but didn't even know he rode Mine That Bird in the Belmont. Before that race was when he made the proclamation that he would win his personal TC.

Street Sense was his first 'real' win in a big race. I was thinking back and seem to recall that he or Mr.Tafel one, said the horse would win the race.

He does it with confidence, maybe bordering on a bit of cockiness. He had the perfect trip in the Derby, similar to Street Sense and MTB.  It's the new shooters that KILL the Preakness. That 2 weeks in between is what we have to thank for that.

Ex Dona, it's like the Wretch and Nay take on a different persona on Steve's blog.

07 May 2010 9:15 PM
jayjay

Steve!  Can you give Bob Baffert a call and ask him to consider putting Mike Smith on LAL please???  He would be a very tough player in the Preakness with Mike on him.  Thanks!!

07 May 2010 9:22 PM
Tim G

Didn't get a chance to listen to Talkin' Horses, did Elliott explain the colt's name any further? Know someone was going to submit that question.

07 May 2010 9:28 PM
Zookeeper

Tim G,

That was me re Super's name. The question was asked but in a general way (not the way I asked it) and Elliott explained about the Super part (no great mystery there) but not about the Saver. On a blog that I'm not supposed to mention, Aluminaut came up with what I think is the answer to the dilemna. Let me see if I can get this straight. I've mixed up my accounts before, so I'm a little leary.lol! Numbered Account, the dam of Private Account, is in Super Saver's pedigree. ACCOUNT as in savings account, thus Super SAVER. Makes sense doesn't it?

07 May 2010 9:47 PM
sherpa

Mr. Haskin, you add so much to the "experience" of horse racing. The  background & side-stories you give us is priceless.

..Wish the telecasters would give half as much attention to the horses and their connections.  ESPN did a very good job in the hours leading up to the Derby and I was happy to see some good races; but when NBC took over, it went straight downhill. Ugh.

Agree with some who think GG may need to be replaced on L@L, sad to say, but not with Mike Smith.  Think about it: Lucky will probably go in the BCC and he needs a jockey with undivided loyalties.  MS obviously rides Zen.

Rosario for L@L maybe?  That might be a good match.

Also in agreement with those who question Kent D.  He did good with Summer Bird, whom I loved, but I just don't like KD's style of riding.  I get nervous any time he's in the mix.

07 May 2010 10:28 PM
Mary

There is definitely an emotional and psychological connection between Calvin and SS.  I love the name "Super Saver"; it is like "I've come to save the day".  His pedigree is the most outstanding that I have seen.  I'm not worried about the Preakness; the Belmont may be challenging,  but his wonderful pedigree suggests that he should have no problem.  If SS is as great as I think he is, he will be running his own race in the Belmont; Calvin will simply be going along for the ride.    

07 May 2010 10:49 PM
Mary

Sherpa, I loved Summer Bird too.  I bet on him to win the Belmont.  After looking at his pedigree, there was no doubt in my mind that he would win it, and he did.  Summer Bird and KD were a good match.

07 May 2010 10:54 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

ESKENDEREYA-I remember the excitement that I had after seeing his jaw dropping Wood performance. He was one of the best Triple Crown candidates in my lifetime. The power and ease in which he accelerated was breathtaking. I was so anxious to see him in The Derby and then so disappointed. My heart goes out to Ahmed and Justin Zayat, but they are determined to bring more stamina back into American racing which is thrilling. Sometimes a father lives his unfulfilled dreams through his child. Eskendereya might produce a Triple Crown winner. Sounds like Mr Jackson and the Zayats will be a good team. Good Luck. We are lucky that Eskendereya is OK and could still go on to greatness through his sons and daughters.

07 May 2010 11:49 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Martin Garcia on Lucky is OK with me but Rosario would be fantastic.

07 May 2010 11:50 PM
Reesie

Wouldn't ya know it. Only the second year to bet on the Derby-I picked Super Saver to win and Ice Box to place. Couldn't get my bet through...I'll probably never get it right again :(  

08 May 2010 12:30 AM
mickey101

here we go again,fran talking about dublin, which got nothing in the derby, and will get nothing in the preakness, along with northern giant.....then you got dr. d    babbling about some deep closer....get a grip.

08 May 2010 1:31 AM
mickey101

fran....everyone in america had secretariat and seattle slew...LOL..people picking the belmont prior to the running of the preakness....5-weeks out from the belmont, post something relavent to racing, this week.

08 May 2010 1:37 AM
mickey101

there was a time ,not so long ago, a person could get nice info....off these blogs... seems now it,s all goofy, steve you started it with putting endorsment,stately victor and dublin in your top ten.

08 May 2010 1:46 AM
Greg J.

Mr. Hasjin,

    Thanks once again for another good article, Also, A Thank You to Lisa Borel for her insight and passion!  I love how hindsight is always 20/20, I only won a little with Super Saver on a win ticket and and Exacta with Ice Box, But, Left him off a majority of my tickets because I didn't think Calvin could win 3 out of four Derbys', That will never happen again!  I hope Super Saver and Calvin do the impossible and take home the Triple Crown, It would be amazing for the sport, I just think, If they win the Preakness, The Belmont will be a huge challenge!  I will be in New York for the Belmont, So hope the Crown is on the line!

Tim G.,

    I could be wrong, But, I think Calvin won the Stephen Foster and Breeders' Juvenile before the 2007 Derby with Street Sense?  Haven't had my coffee yet, But, I can't remember who he won the Stephen Foster with, But, I think he won the juvenile with Street Sense?  Anyways, Also, Just wanted to mention like your informed comments and while not always agreeing, You at least keep it real and love the sport, Thanks...

08 May 2010 7:02 AM
EasyGoerFan

Mr. Haskin, you and Lisa Borel need to get together and write a book about Calvin.  There is a great story to be told, and since it is still unfolding, there could be another book in a few years.

I loved Calvin's response to the question, "Is there anything else that you'd like to achieve?"  His answer was that he wants Lisa to enjoy the same level of success with her show jumping career.

I shall toot my own horn too.  A friend of mine works at WinStar.  I posted on his FB page last November, "I like your 2yo Super Saver that Calvin rode.  He's my Derby horse."  

08 May 2010 7:46 AM
berttheclock

Super column, Mr Haskins, and a Saver.  I can commiserate about the betting part of the procedure.  You know, that old "It's one thing to learn how to handicap; it's another to learn how to bet".  As I began my Derby handicapping, I selected Super Saver and Ice Box, as having the finest foundations, from their mare lines, for the Derby.  Then, I proceeded to not bet them in exactas, but, became greedy for the tri, where I, mistakenly, thought Paddy wouldn't close through the slop.  

Several years ago, I learned from an astute judge of pedigree, and, her name escapes me, Lauren something,(my apologies to you, fine lady) who picked one of the Lucas long shots in the Derby because of the dam side, going back several dams.  Thus, I realized the Derby is to be handicapped as no other race of the year.  No, you don't start with Beyers, or earnings, or top wins in highly regarded prep races.  You start with the foundation mares.  Who can get the distance on that first Saturday, carrying more weight than ever, racing against far more horses than ever, hearing far more noise than ever?  This is where those foundation mares kick in.  Had Esky run, he would have been included, and, with his running style and power, I would have had him on top, as others, for different reasons would have had, also.  But,  when I saw the La Troienne for Super Saver, the handicapping was, virtually, over.  Mr Haskins mentioned the Blue Grass Cat, who ran 2nd in the Derby, being from the same dam side of Super Saver.  It is that same La Troienne line, which Win-Star saw as they developed their dam side for breeding.  In fact, perhaps, Mr Haskins, you have written about the tremendous importance and influence Phipps had on the breeding in Kentucky and why the mares made that State the finest area of breeding in the nation.  Far too many other states and countries have tried to build their breed by "Name" sires, without understanding "It is the Mare, Stupid".  However, if you have not, Mr Haskins, will you at some point either write a oolumn or repeat a column about Phipps and his foresight.  Thank you, hopefully, in advance.  And, now, back to do I put the Three on top or the Four or just box the field?

08 May 2010 8:40 AM
Carlos n

I hope the connections of LAL keep Garret Gomez on the horse,he is one of the best or the best top rider in the Country.LAL is the best of the group and I predict he will win the Preakness.And to Tim G;I don't hate Lukas,I just don't like the way he managed those well bred,nice horses he get his hand on,I think he's past his time and can't see or just simple ignore the signal to stop and find out what is wrong with the horse.After Dublin  won the Hopeful in such an impressible performance,his next two races you couldn't find him,he didn't want to train,he wanted to bolt,all the sign that something wasn't right but, Lukas keep on going and still trying to pull a rabbit of his hat staying on TC spot.

08 May 2010 9:00 AM
berttheclock

My apologies, once again, Fair Lady, but, it is Lauren Stitch who convinced me that the breeding comes from the dam side.  Thank you Ms Stitch. You picked either Thunder Gulch or Grindstone based on that belief.  You discussed the running of 2nd and 3rd generation mares of one of them running long distances in Ireland.

08 May 2010 9:03 AM
txhorsefan

Once again, I always love to come back and read the newer comments that have been posted, but this time I'm coming back with a question.  I hope it isn't inappropriate to put it here, but since we did sort of discuss Eskendereya earlier, can some of you more knowledgeable folks explain to me why a horse with a soft tissue injury must be retired, while they frequently return to racing after a broken bone is repaired, screws inserted, etc.?  Personal Ensign?  I understand how valuable the horse is, but could he not come back to racing after some rest and rehab?  Thanks!

08 May 2010 9:51 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

One of the worst things we do as humans is wait until people die to pay homage to them with things named in their honor. There should be a race named The Haskin, and it should be a Grade One. Maybe another Derby prep. ON DIRT. Let people bask in the glory of their achievements and contributions to the game now while they can enjoy it too. Don't make them look down and say "Gee, I wish I could have been there." Have The Haskin and let Steve Haskin present the trophy.

08 May 2010 10:39 AM
Trebloc

txhorsefan,

The not knowing is sometimes better then knowing. Eskenderya can retire with his reputation in tact and people can still think he was the best horse of this years crop.  Yet, we all know that Super Saver is best three year old, except for Draynay.

08 May 2010 10:40 AM
tcc

 I could be wrong, But, I think Calvin won the Stephen Foster and Breeders' Juvenile before the 2007 Derby with Street Sense?

Greg J. 08 May 2010 7:02 AM

Stephen Foster Handicap  

2006 Seek Gold  Calvin Borel Ronald Moquett Bowman Couch Racing, LLC 1 1/8 Mile 1:49.24 $844,500 I

On November 4, 2006, Street Sense won the most important race for 2-year-old (by a record 10 lengths) colts in the United States, the Breeders' Cup Juvenile. Trained by Carl Nafzger and ridden by Calvin Borel

08 May 2010 10:55 AM
sodapopkid

TexasHorsefan:   I agree.  It  seems like with all the technology out there that something could be done.   I know I may be out of key here,  but maybe it has something to do with his backruptcy or the price of Esky plus the insurance.  I dont' know, and am like you very curious as well,  Maybe we will get our answer soon..........

08 May 2010 11:06 AM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

I second that! Great idea!

08 May 2010 11:30 AM
CajunCountry

Bert: Indeed, babe.

08 May 2010 11:49 AM
Shelby's Best Pal

Another great article, thank you Steve Haskin.  Just woman's intuition, but I think it's a mistake to underestimate Super Saver and Calvin Borel.

08 May 2010 11:50 AM
Karen in Texas

Really interesting, neat story, Steve! As CB is becoming known as a master jockey at Churchill Downs and in the premier race there, the Kentucky Derby, lots of writers will be covering his career more closely. Maybe you could become his official biographer, and the biographer of Super Saver as well, especially if they manage to win the Triple Crown together!

08 May 2010 11:51 AM
Raven

super saver, i love this horse when the first time i saw his pedigree.

08 May 2010 12:03 PM
Tim G

Carlos, you are obsessed with Wayne and especially Dublin. He had a trapped epiglottis. It was operated on. He threw a great race in the Hopeful and it got hopes up pretty high. He won one other race before that. He was off for MONTHS after the surgery. He's been inspected with a fine tooth comb, he's had a total of 4 races and even though he's drifted a bit and was carried wide in the Derby,he has not bolted or gone to the outside fence in a single one. A horse is only fit if he WINS?

The colt BOLTED when the marathon runners came screaming through the tunnel. He pulls all kinds of pranks like FuPeg did. Not sure why you keep beating it up. I know you SAY you have some knowledge of Wayne but I doubt that. I think you must have lost money on his horses. Just ignore the horse, don't bet him. He's not harming you in any way. You are a big fan of Cal racing and that's fine. Yet you know nothing about Baffert, by your own admission yet you know all about Wayne? Are you going to start the same talk now that Baffert has a bunch of horses at CD and is lessening his presence in Cal?  Might want to mention that Baffert has had his share that have been 'ruined', just like any number of horses.  As I said Flying Private finished 2nd in his last two races, both Stakes. Luv Guv is still running and there was a colt that ran way over his head and performed admirably. Give it up why don't you???

On the subject of GoGo? If he's such a great fit for LAL then there must be something seriously wrong with that super talented colt. Maybe HE'S sore? Guess Baffert needs to keep him out of the race and give him another 4-5 month layoff because he's going to hurt himself and a bunch of horses and jocks, running up on their heels, getting himself into these tight spots where GoGo has to take him up dramatically. See how dumb that sounds.

To me there is NOTHING worse than a 'fan' (LOL) who tries to bash people they don't know, start rumors and be hateful about subjects they'd be better off leaving alone.

08 May 2010 12:13 PM
Tim G

Greg, same here with your comments.

I just know that Calvin didn't really burst onto the public scene until his win with Street Sense in the Derby. Yes he had some other wins that the industry considers important, The SF on Seek Gold and the BCJ on St Sense. But as far as publicity etc, not so much attention. For some reason the BCJ always seems to not be so memorable. My bet is the casual fan or even one who is a bit more savvy would have to look that up.

Maybe Lisa could shed some light on what he thinks did more for his career, The Derby or the other two wins?  

It seems to me that even though he got some nice mounts after the 07 Derby even, his career really took off after the 09 races with Rachel and MTB. He deserves it. He's fearless and is one of those guys who just gets horses to run for him. Get him on a horse that fits, that is talented and we all see what that does.

Time for the races, good luck everyone.

08 May 2010 12:31 PM
Swapsfan

I enjoyed both the article and the comments. I cheered for Super Saver because he has Swaps in his pedigree.  Doesn't happen very often anymore, but I'm always glad to see a descendent of my childhood hero doing well. I can still feel the joy at seeing him win the Derby, the heartbreak when he lost the match race to Nashua, and the excitement of watching him set a couple world records...This was all just on TV of course; but he received good coverage up here in the Pacific NW because (I think) most west-coasters considered him "theirs."  It kinda reminds me of -- no, I won't go there.  For a few years back in the 1950's, one of the local Seattle TV stations showed the "feature race" from either Hollywood Park or Santa Anita on Saturday afternoons. I wonder what will happen to the Swaps memorial at Hollywood Park when the track is closed. I visited HP with a friend once to pay my respects and see where Swaps ran.  

08 May 2010 1:07 PM
Francis

Hi Just a up date.I think next year Gomez will not ride for Bob in the kderby,my opinion is that if gomez had taken the rail in the derby the out come would be different but Bob dosent like the rail i surpose if he had just took the rail LAL would have made it.Its all about the decision the trainer makes and we all know BB quite well. I think the Gomez made wrong decision to go to bob after the SA derby and mount LAL on Kderby if he thought gomez is not a good rider for lal he should make a change and not blame the rider or the  post , we havent lear'nt are lesson the rail is the best position to win at Churchill downs but yet trainers not like the rail Learn from Calvin he does not special but he knows the rail is the best trip Bob should take coaching lesson from Calvin.

08 May 2010 3:02 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Fly Down-On to The Belmont !!!  What a race that's going to be !!! Woohoo !!!!!

08 May 2010 5:33 PM
Nancy

Steve - '...To err is human...' You can only call it as you see it.  No one else provides us with the insight that you do when discussing the attributes of your Derby Dozen (20).  It was wonderful of you to share the insights between you and Lisa regarding Calvin's works with SS.

That's one of the reasons I pay attention to and enjoy your columns - you really love the horses and it shows in your writing.  Plus your always entertaining!

We have been lucky to have so many real contenders this year.  I wasn't high on SS, but I know Calvin was a force to be reckoned with at Churchill.  I figured everyone would be gunning for LAL and that PP#1 frightened his connections - totally irrational.  I did like Ice Box very much after watching replays of his races.  He has that something and he proved it in the Derby.  However, when they loaded the horses in the gate I got a real good look at SS rear quarters and said to myself - he is going to win because of the size of his engine in that slop and Calvin.  That is what happened.  So, you were not the only naysayer about SS.  Your analysis is always the best and humorous of any offered in any journal articles, that is why so many of us look to you.

Who will win the Preakness?  I have no idea, but I do know SS has the biggest engine that is well dimpled.  Hopefully he is not too tired from the Derby.  Thank God his pedigree is not riddled with the Northern Dancer line and while he does have Native Dancer in-bred, hopefully the stamina of Secretariat, Seattle Slew and Man O'War lines will carry him through - along with his very strong female tail.

I agree with one or two of the writers above Desmoreaux - I don't like him and feel sorry for any horse he rides.  I'll never forget what he did to Big Brown in the Belmont - it is unforgivable.  He is such a wonderful thoroughbred!

I wasn't happy with Calvin's ride of Mine That Bird in the Belmont either.  I think his head was slightly turned by the media attention and up til that time he had hardly ever ridden at Belmont.  You have to know Belmont and those turns over 1.5 miles.  Also, Mine that Bird might have already been feeling the effects of the trapped epiglottis and was a factor in the race.  In any case, he has redeemed himself in my eyes.  He is a wonderful down to earth human being, and believe Lisa is also.

Being a New Yorker who went to Aqueduct, Belmont and Saratoga, I made the mistake in Aug. 2009 to move to No. Carolina where there is no racing, betting or real meaningful TV coverage of the races.  I was an occasional small better.  I have to see the horse in the flesh to know him or her and how they will run that day.

So sad about Eskendereya!  It would have been helpful to his fans if they expounded a little on what and where that filling in his leg was located.  It is the same with Buddy's Saint - they don't give us any news.  Don't they realize we love these horses and get attached to them also.  I loved Saint Liam - I saw all his races in NY.  When he died due that fool accident while he was being lead to his paddock, I almost died in my seat reading it.

Well, I have gone on much too long.  This is my only outlet for talking horses, so forgive me if I am long winded.

Once again - Thank You for your wonderful columns.

May the Force be with all of them in the Preakness and may they all come home sound!

08 May 2010 5:47 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Yes I just saw the race on TV. Fly Down very impressive, Drosselmeyer not so much, although he came in 2nd, he doesn't seem to have the late kick I kept looking for. Did not bet the race but enjoyed it very much!

08 May 2010 6:04 PM
Zookeeper

Railtrip is BAAAck! After a 8/9 months lay-off he inhales the field in the Mervyn Leroy. I guess somebody knows how to bring a horse back to form after a long rest. He's going to be a bear in the Gold Cup. What a horse! Bejarano is a good fit, replacing Valdivia who moved East for greener pastures.(?)

08 May 2010 6:19 PM
Tim G

Soooo Carlos, with GoGo on Dublin, what say you?

Knew you were making a dummy out of yourself. Hope it works to the advantage of Dub. That's the plan anyway.

08 May 2010 7:21 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

 Yes, I thought closing Hollywood was a done deal, was surprised it was still going. Your reason makes a lot of sense. I wish I was a billionaire. I'd buy racetracks and horse retirement ranches and let them live like Kings. Drosselmeyer isn't good enough. There's no point for him in The Belmont. I'm seeing Drosselmeyer as a miler anyway but just an average one. Fly Down is for real. I got back on the horse today. One bet at Hollywood, one win. Dynamic Host in the 3rd. No photo.

08 May 2010 8:19 PM
CRob87

"IF" Super Saver beats Ice Box in the Belmont, then he really will be a "Super Horse".

But, as of right now and barring anything unforseen, in the Belmont....Ice Box is a Lock !!!

They're doing the right thing with Ice Box by "NOT" running him in the Preakness and just waiting for the Belmont.   Just like Summer Bird and Rags To Riches' connections also did.

Saving their energy while Super Saver has to use his up in the Preakness.

08 May 2010 8:52 PM
El Kabong

Belmont, smellmont

The next race is in Maryland. TC is foolish to yada yada until next week. Makes no sense at all.

Like all the maneuvering to rally up an ambush at old hilltop. But in the end, it all adds up to one conclusion. Everyone needs to step up their game.

I wouldn't trade places with anyone either TP, and I hope it's sunny and fast so we can get some separation this time. Not too much though, that sand trap on the third hole is a real beeeawch!

08 May 2010 10:17 PM
kyoaks09

Dr Drunkinbum,

"Marilyn

 Nice post. That is my sentiments exactly. The bottom line is that all I really care about is the horse's and the jockey's safety. I don't do well with breakdowns. It is devastating to me. Thank you for that little reminder. I can rant and rave about bets lost and who's not able to get in the race and so on but if it's a safe day then it's a great day."

I couldn't agree more.  Thanks for reminding everyone what it's really all about.

09 May 2010 12:12 AM
Carlos n

To Tim,I don't care who's ridding "LAL" in the Preakness,I will bet big on him even if a monkey rides,not because he's from California,he's just the best three year old in the Country,you just go ahead and stick with Lukas(your IDOL).

09 May 2010 6:58 AM
Slew

I have to say, this year I have found Kent D. most annoying in his excuses...(he has another one for the Dwyer).  And everytime I hear him whine, I cannot help but think of Big Brown and the cost of a TC.  I'm liking him less and less as the year progresses.

Fly Down had a sensational Dwyer.  Can't wait to see him again.

Who else on this blog believes it would be nothing less than poetic for Calvin to ride a horse named Rail Trip?  Wouldn't it make a great hunch play?

09 May 2010 9:13 AM
berttheclock

Tale of two horses - Ellis plays Charlie W and brings Rail Trip back off a long layoff on works.  Tres Borrachos tries to come back from Cinco de Mayo.

09 May 2010 10:12 AM
tvnewsbadge

CRob87 said

"They're doing the right thing with Ice Box by "NOT" running him in the Preakness and just waiting for the Belmont.   Just like Summer Bird and Rags To Riches' connections also did.

Saving their energy while Super Saver has to use his up in the Preakness."

The "right thing" maybe, but is it necessarily the BEST thing for the sport?

The greatest moments in racing have been where two champions have put it all on the line, going head to head throughout the season.

In this case, it seems to me that all we have is Zito waiting in ambush depending on the competition being all used up by the time they meet.

If Ice Box wins or course, everyone will be saying that's "proof" he's the "better horse".

But is that really so, or is the horse who took on the challenge of the most difficult series in all of sport the one who REALLY deserves our respect?

09 May 2010 10:14 AM
Zookeeper

Slew,

Borel on Rail Trip, BRILLIANT!!!

09 May 2010 10:20 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Current Preakness Top 6

1. Pleasant Prince. Running extra races to try to get into the Derby helped him out.

2. Lookin At Lucky. Seems to be bouncing out just fine. Jockey change helps. Lucky is the one that requested it. "I ain't lookin for trouble. Just keep him away from me and we'll be fine."

3. Super Saver. Doing real well. Moving up on the list and it's hard to seperate the Top 3.

4. Dublin-Jockey change helps Lucky and Dublin. Sometimes good jockeys and good horses just aren't the right fit.

5. Schoolyard Dreams-I think he's more talented than he showed in the Wood against the super horse-Eskendereya.

6. Caracortado-He's tough. I think he has class. Another with trip trouble in a few races.

09 May 2010 10:34 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Slew,

Rail Tripper:

 "Got a good reason for taking the easy way out. He was a rail tripper a one way ticket, yea. The others weren't rail trippers, Sunday drivers, yea. Took me so long to find out, I found out."

09 May 2010 10:50 AM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

All Caracortado has to do to improve his luck is to NOT be anywhere behind Lucky. Agree with all your points. Very good analysis!

berttheclock,

Hilarious comment re Tres Borachos!

tvnewsbadge,

Yes, it does seem unfair. I've been watching since 1999 and it has happened every year. What did competing and running well in all 3 TC races do for Mine That Bird? Nothing! for some people. But it did a lot for the ones who can appreciate such a valiant effort!

09 May 2010 1:38 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

tvnewsbadge

  I was mad as heck when Birdstone skipped The Preakness and laid in wait for Smarty Jones. I loved Smarty Jones and was devastated. I thought it was the greatest story, and a Smarty Jones Triple Crown would have done a lot for the sport so I know what you are talking about. A horse that races in all 3 and is in the money in all three has accomlplished something tremendous in that grueling trio of races. The horse that does well in all 3 will always get more respect from me than the one that does well in two even if the two are slightly higher placings. Thanks for your insightful post. It sure reminded me how tough it is to run in all 3.

09 May 2010 2:22 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

   Bureaucratic snafu on my part in leaving Paddy out of my list. I relied on my brain rather than a list. But I don't know where to put him anyway, and then I have to deal with the Kent D. factor so I'll just leave it as is and let others decide where to put him. You're right-Only the people that appreciate Mine That Bird's great achievement count. The one's that degrade his accomplishment should be ashamed of themselves and beg for forgiveness to be allowed to speak again. I mean even in a free country with freedom of speech there has to be some limits set. You talk about people that should be at the funny farm !!!!!!!!!

09 May 2010 2:29 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

 I think Steve Haskin should set aside a few hours on a particular day to blog with us continuously during those two hours. What do you think? Maybe a Tuesday??? But I'm not complaining !!!! What we have is great already. Just a thought. It's not really a live blog but just continuous as much as possible except for bathroom breaks, coffee breaks etc etc. "Tuesdays and Me" or "Tuesdays With Steve Haskin" or "Tuesday At The Track With Steve" or "Tuesday Coffee With Friends." Hip hip Hooray. Look at the comments on this Super Saver and Me blog. High Quality.

09 May 2010 2:40 PM
kyoaks09

Slew,  

I very seldom bet but even I would have to put money down on Calvin riding Rail Trip.  How could you pass on that one?  That shouldn't even be considered gambling! That's the perfect example of "just taking advantage of an incredible business opportunity" as in "Let it Ride".

09 May 2010 3:25 PM
Steve Haskin

Dr. D, I'm game, but instead of "Tuesdays and Me" I'd prefer "Tuesday Weld and me."

(For those too young to remember Tuesday Weld, trust me on this one).

09 May 2010 4:06 PM
CRob87

tvnewsbadge:

I understand your point and you are right, but in todays world it's simply called "Strategy".   And it is smart !!!

It is the Fans that do want to see the best compete against the best always.   And the Sport usually does suffer when it doesn't happen.   But, when your the Owner/Trainer of a horse, then you know that you have to do what is best for your horse....period !!!

Take last year as a perfect example:

Jess Jackson ducked Zenyatta all Summer and Fall and it did pay off for Rachel Alexandra to do so.

What "IF" he would have run her against Zenyatta in the Breeders Cup after all ???

We'll never know of course, but it could have cost Rachel Alexandra the Horse Of The Year Honors ???  

The Fans of course hate it and the Sport did suffer a bit, but it was a smart thing for him to do.

And it is a smart thing for Ice Box to wait and be fresh for the Belmont.   Why push your horse to run 2 weeks later when there's no Triple Crown on the line for Ice Box or the other 18 Derby runners ???

Only Super Saver has something on the line at this point !!!

Decades ago Trainers felt that they had to run their best in all 3 of the Triple Crown races because they didn't have Million dollar purses on them like they do today.

But, over the more recent years and with the Millions upon Millions available in Graded Stakes, Trainers have wised up more and are finally looking at the Big Picture.

They don't "HAVE TO" run in every Million dollar race that there is nowadays.

And besides, we're not even halfway thru the year yet, so it's too soon to know who the "Better" horse really will end up being.

So....It really is just a smart Tactic or Strategy !!!

09 May 2010 4:43 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  That's funny. I don't know if she got her start on Dobie Gillis or not but I think so. I saw that show recently. It's actually funny. Tuesday is coming over to my place on Wednesday. I'll ask her if we can use her name. She's bringing Carol Lynley over too and we're going to bet on a few races.

09 May 2010 5:23 PM
Zookeeper

Mr Haskin,

I'm plenty old enough to remember Miss Weld. But even for her, I suspect things are not what they used to be. lol!

I'm not complaining though. Just came back from a nice "Mother's Day" brunch with my wonderful family, I have this nice blog to come home to, my roses are blooming, my cats are purring, the Preakness is right around the corner... What else could I possibly want?... Maybe a nice Thoroughbred. lol! And a few more hours of fun with my blog buddies. :)

09 May 2010 6:54 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  "my roses are blooming" I say that after most Derbys, but not this year. A slacker (Kent D) forgot to water the roses at the end of the stretch. I'm not betting on that gardener anymore. Of course I said that a few other times this year too but I had so much faith in Paddy that I overlooked the gardener. This reminds me of Being There. If you haven't seen the movie-see it. Happy Mother's Day. Steve said he was game and I think he might be serious. Tuesdays OK with you Zookeeper? Tuesdays with Tuesday and Zookeeper.

09 May 2010 7:29 PM
Tim G

Wow Steve, never knew you were a wild man. She was a bad girl, did you know that?

Carlos, he's not my idol but it wouldn't make sense for me to dislike him,,,,,duh....

09 May 2010 7:53 PM
Zookeeper

And why is that Tim G? Please answer me!!! I'm dying to know!

Dr Drunkinbum,

OK! you can take Tuesday and I'll chat with Mr. Haskin. For some strange reason, I like men better! Especially ones that need taming. The wild beast is starting to intrigue me.

My roses are for real but I don't let my gardener near them and his name is not even Desormeaux!

09 May 2010 8:31 PM
Steve Haskin

Dobie Gillis, one of the funniest, most clever comedies of all time -- "You rang?"

As for Tuesday Weld AND Carol Lynley, if I had both of them I can assure you there would not be "A Morning After."

Tim G, you're going to stand there and tell me that Thalia Meninger was a bad girl are you? I guess Zelda Gilroy was more your type.

Boy, imagine how many people right now are going: "What the hell are these old fogies talking about?"

09 May 2010 8:37 PM
Zookeeper

Whatever we old fogies are talking about, it's a hell of a lot better then on some other place that I'm not allowed to mention. lol!

09 May 2010 9:05 PM
Tim G

Steve, I mean the REAL Tuesday Weld! You know she had a nervous breakdown at 9 and started drinking at 10?

I was in love with Sandra Dee, saw her in some Tammy movie when I was little, my first drive-in. Man we're really showing our age.

But actually satellite has most of these shows on some station. The young kids know a lot of them.

Zelda was a trailblazer;)!

"Dobie, wants a little cutie,

Dobie, wants a little beauty,

Dobie want a gal to call his own

Any size, any style, any eyes, any smile, any Jean, any Jane, nay JOAN"

Hey you got a Joan didn't you?

I was little but I still remember the older kids watching it, and our Saturday morning favorite Sky King.  Ah those were the days.

09 May 2010 9:52 PM
txhorsefan

Oh,my!  You all are really cracking me up!!  Maybe we are showing our ages here, but it is so much fun to recall memories of the fun old shows.  I can just picture my kids rolling their eyes at me while I'm sitting here at the computer really laughing out loud, but they've already gone home after spending some fun Mother's Day time with me today.  They just don't get it.  They don't get the love of horses, my passion for following the races, but they are wonderful kids and they do indulge me and even ask about "my races" and they've been ever so patient as I've babbled on about Zenyatta or Rachel or Super Saver or tried to explain why I follow certain trainers, etc.  I'm grateful.  Grateful also for you, Steve, for you bloggers and yes, I want to see Calvin on Rail Trip!  Thanks for the laughs!  Count me in on the Tuesdays discussions, too.

09 May 2010 10:06 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

   Wow, you really know your stuff. Yes, a very witty comedy. A ton of class in most episodes. Tim G loves women whose names start with a Z. Zelda, Zenyatta. He loved Zorro too with Guy Madison ??? So I guess he's a fan of anyone that starts with Z. Zorro, I loved that guy-I think it was Sergeant Garcia ?? Yep, Dobie was the hip show of it's time, I mean like cool daddyo. Does anyone remember Thriller hosted by Boris Karloff. That show scared the bejeezus out of us. Pleasant Prince will win The Preakness.

09 May 2010 10:33 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Tim G

  You have a problem with nervous breakdowns at nine and drinking at ten? You must have watched a lot of Leave it to Beaver. If that is the case then Tuesday Weld was way ahead of her time. They all do that now.

09 May 2010 10:39 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Fury, Superman, Truth or Consequences, Rough and Ready, Zorro, and Laurel and Hardy were some of my favorite shows from the fifties.

09 May 2010 10:41 PM
Steve Haskin

Zookeeper, sorry I lied about the wild beast. I'm actually more like a pet hamster.

Tim, wow, youre as archaic as I am. You're right about Tuesday Weld, but my first Tammy was Debbie Reynolds. Sandra Dee was my first Gidget.

Yes, Sky King. to this day I avoid looking at my pilots at the airport gate, because I dont want to see some goofy-looking, short pudgy guy flying my plane. I want to envision my pilot as being Sky King.

Txhorsefan, glad you got to spend Mother's Day with family. It's your job to make them racing fans.

09 May 2010 10:44 PM
txhorsefan

Tim G - you watched Sky King, but didn't mention Fury?!  Now there was a horse that could do it all!  Oh, but I guess he never did talk like Mr. Ed, so never mind.  I'm still chuckling over "he's a rail tripper", so guess I just need to get off the computer for a while.  Thanks all!

09 May 2010 10:47 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve-What time do we start on Tuesday? Let us know if it's eastern time because we out west always have to adjust our times.

If I have a colt I think I'll name him Maynard G Krebs, or if I have a filly, Thalia Meninger in honor of this glorious occasion when blogging turned sophisticated, and we found out the depth of Steve Haskin's genius. And you thought he was just a Triple Crown Savant.

09 May 2010 10:50 PM
Steve Haskin

Dr. D, close, it was Guy Williams. Guy Madison played Wild Bill Hickock. And it was Ruff and Ready, one of my favorite shows.

And watch yourself with Leave it to Beaver. Youre not allowed to say anything bad about the Cleavers.

Thriller scared the pants off me, too, especially one episode about pigeons and this old house and a female axe murderer. "This is a thriller!"

I loved Dobie's father -- "Someday I'm gonna kill that boy."

Loved all those shows you mentioned. And Rin Tin Tin and all those westerns of that day.

09 May 2010 10:55 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  Good memory. Nice to have as a writer. Now I know where to go with my fifties TV trivia questions. Do you remember the Alfred Hitchcock episode where he was getting revenge and became a barber just so he could get the guy into his barber chair? He got him in the chair with the razor to his throat and let the guy know who he was, and the man in the barber chair got so scared he died of a heart attack.

09 May 2010 11:03 PM
txhorsefan

Yes, I really am going to quit posting and get off the computer, but I did want to address what tvnewsbadge said regarding the horses who run in all the races of the TC trail.  In many respects, I agree with what you are saying, but I also see and understand the strategy of resting the non-winners, ie - Ice Box, and making another assault at Belmont.  As one who was devastated by Smarty's loss to Birdstone, I was slow to figure out how that tactic was simply that... a maneuver to win a race, not a compelling desire to crush our hopes for a Triple Crown winner.  After Super Saver wins the Preakness, I may be singing a different song, but I do finally understand the strategy, yet I do have the utmost respect and admiration for those who do go on and try to compete in each of those three special races, like Mine That Bird.  I hope he comes back this year and gives us many more years of his effort and heart.

09 May 2010 11:04 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Gee Mrs Cleaver, that's an awfully nice sweater you're wearing today. My mother had one like it but she gave it to the Goodwill when she bought a more expensive one. "Thank you very much Eddie."

Yeah, Dobie's father is my favorite. He was in It's a Wonderful Life, as was Ward Bond from Wagon Train.

All of the westerns were great and may be why we love horses so much today. Wanted Dead or Alive, Gunsmoke, Bat Masterson and TONS more. It was all about westerns back then. Draw !!!!!!

09 May 2010 11:10 PM
Tim G

Oh of course, My Friend Flicka, Fury, Roy Rogers, Wagon Train, Rifleman, Bonanza and all those shows. Got to meet Rex Allen, Roy Rogers, The Red Ryder, Dale Robertson and so on.

I never watched the scary stuff, too little and too easily scared. The Twilight Zone scared the stuffing out of me.

But, like a lot of us my favorite?

"A fiery horse with the speed of light, a cloud of dust and a hearty "Hi Yo Silver!" The Lone Ranger. "Hi Yo Silver, away!" With his faithful Indian companion Tonto, the daring and resourceful masked rider of the plains, led the fight for law and order in the early west. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. The Lone Ranger rides again!"

09 May 2010 11:14 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

One more post then I'm going to go watch Dobie Gillis and Ozzie and Harriet. 2007-One of the very rare times that the top three finishers of The Derby were also the top three finishers of The Preakness. Although not in the same order. Curlin, Street Sense and Hard Spun was the order of finish in The Preakness. Thanks Steve and bloggers for this great trip down memory lane with Steve Haskin and his orchestra. This is Don Wilson saying Goodnight and don't forget to eat your Jello. Goodnight Everybody and don't forget to tune in on Tuesdays for our very special show. Oh, and Don about that raise ........... Goodnight Ladies and Gentlemen. (Applause)

09 May 2010 11:18 PM
Tim G

Oh and Steve, my family tells me that sometimes they aren't sure if I really can remember some of it or just heard them talk about it. Some of the younger siblings remember it and they aren't even eligible for AARP!

Drunk, I love women A-Z!

Seargent Garcia LOL! Zorro on his black horse, made me want a black horse for many years. Not too fond of the ones that rear up though.

09 May 2010 11:18 PM
Zookeeper

Since I was raised in Quebec, I don't know any of the shows you guys are talking about. We did get "The Honeymooners" though. Didn't understand a word of it since it was in English. We didn't need to, the body language and the facial expressions were enough for us to get the gist of it and laugh like crazy!

Mr Haskin,

I would love a pet hamster! So would my cats, but for different reasons.

09 May 2010 11:24 PM
Zookeeper

You know what the bummer is with our time difference? When we, on the West Coast, are barely getting started, the blog masters are closing up shop and going to bed, leaving us hanging without Haskin or anybody else for that matter. It's hard to keep babbling when there's no feedback. I tried it a few times... got bored with myself rather quickly. When I get up in the morning and turn on the computer, a bunch of comments come spilling out with strange times like 3:00 AM... some poor other West Coasters with nothing better to do than type comments to a blog that is sound asleep. Sad!!!

09 May 2010 11:39 PM
Steve Haskin

Keep babbling, Zookeeper, Big Brother is always listening.

Dr. D, remember Ward Bond and Mr. Gillis' names in It's A wonderful Life? Bert and Ernie.

Now, Don. And then there was Don Pardo as well.

Zoo, Honeymooners was the "King of all Television."

My favorite Hitchcock was bookworm Burgess Meredith surviving nuclear attack and then stepping on his glasses unable to read all the books.

10 May 2010 1:13 AM
Slew

Aha, Steve...that was Twilight Zone, and still remains one of my favorites.  As to Hitchcock...I love the one in which a wife killed her husband with a frozen leg of lamb, then cooked it and served it to the investigators who happily munched on the only evidence they would have had.  Does anyone remember "Trackdown" and "Wanted: Dead or Alive"...the former with Robert Culp, the latter with Steve McQueen?  And I liked Guy Williams in Zorro.

Dr D...wasn't that "day tripper"?  but Calvin does find the "easy way out".  Thanks for the trip, Steve.  

10 May 2010 7:33 AM
Fran Loszynski

Thank you Tim G. -If you had a past life-you were a fan of Seabiscuit running alongside him on the rail! You know a fan with heart for horseracing when you read it!

To Mickey 101- I won't go into a shooting match with you on the relevancy of my posts. I realize some are a little "See Spot run, with Dick and Jane" and don't have perhaps your encyclopedic range of horseracing; but everyone starts out as a fan of this great sport-I was a little girl hiding under a grandstand in the rain when I first saw these magnificant beautiful animals thunder by with their courageous charges aboard and Willie Shoe winked at me in my hiding place. The relevancy of telling you this. I may know alot more about horseracing than what is the written word. What does everyone think about Gomez on Dublin? Also I hope Rachel Alexandra and Eskey mate. Thanks Eskey for great racing. You are a true champion. My picks:

Lookin At Lucky  Preakness (too short for Dublin)hope he wins --but

Dublin  Belmont (big race for a big horse)Good Luck everyone!

10 May 2010 8:39 AM
berttheclock

"Don Wilson"?  And, I thought you meant listening to Jack Benny on radio.  Now, radio; those were the Golden Days, my friends.

10 May 2010 9:20 AM
Katherine

I loved Mine That Bird and was a fan who recognized what a valiant effort he made. I was so frustrated for him by his not having one committed jockey for all three races. Yes, Calvin rode a great race in the Derby but brave little MTB gave it his best in the Preakness with a new jockey and might have caught Rachel if he had had a little better trip (but we'll never know) and who knows what the outcome of the Belmont would have been had Calvin not been carried away with the media that week and concentrated on MTB and getting familiar with Belmont. I don't mean to sound like sour grapes because the adversity only serves to underscore his brave honest effort but these are thoughts I had at the time.

While reading all the comments about the TC and reliving my own frustration with past TC's being being denied in the Belmont or Preakness by trainers trying to win a big purse race and the prestige of winning a classic I had a thought.....(at this point some of my friends would become wary) why not adjust the Preakness and Belmont purses to reward those horses who accept the challenge and run in all three races not just one or two of the races looking for an easier purse or an easier classic win? After all, the TC races are a series, and in my opinion should be treated as a series, not just a collection of high dollar purses. Adjust the purse for the horse that runs and wins, places or shows in just one race after the Kentucky Derby.  What do you all think?  

10 May 2010 10:03 AM
Zookeeper

Mr, Haskin,

I forgot to add that the strange times of some of the comments may be the work of some poor East Coast insomniac. Was that the case with your comment of 1:13 AM?

"Big Brother is always listening" is a scary thought! unless he's a pet hamster...

10 May 2010 10:28 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Yes, that was Twilight Zone when Burgess Meredith stepped on his glasses and said something like this, " It's not fair. It's just not fair. There was finally time. So much time."  He couldn't see a word and he loved to read day and night.

Bertthclock. Yep Don Wilson on the Jack Benny show -radio and TV. A lot of shows went from radio to TV.

Slew-Yes, Day Tripper. The Hitchcock you mentioned is a classic. I remember it well.

Steve-To the moon Alice, to the  moon. Any moment with Norton was my favorite. Hey Ralph who do you like in The Preakness? "The Preakness, what are ya doin talkin about The Preakness for Norton. Can't you see what's goin on here? Don't you know how much I lost on The Derby? I don't know what to do Norton. Alice is gonna kill me. She'll fry me alive."  

Norton: Hey Ralph. I got an idea.

Ralph: It better be a good one. Come on come on.

Norton: Come on what?

Ralph: Tell me what I'm gonna do about Alice and losin The Derby before I belt you one.

Norton: I'll loan ya 20 bucks to bet on Pleasant Prince. You can't lose.

Ralph: Get outta here, get outta here !!!!!!!!!!

10 May 2010 10:35 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Babbling is OK. We get to read it later. It's better than nothing. We want to hear from you !!!!

Tim G

   I loved anything with a Stagecoach. Wasn't it Wells Fargo with Dale Robertson? I know he was in another too. I loved Pinto and Palamino horses. Who was tougher-Mighty Mouse, Superman, Fearless Fly, Super Chicken, Wonder Dog, Lone Ranger, Matt Dillon, or Alice Kramden?  How many times did Matt Dillon get "winged"(shot in the arm or hand)?

Slew-Yes I remember Trackdown and Wanted. I still want a gun like Steve McQueen's !!!!!!!!

10 May 2010 10:51 AM
Katherine

Fran I love Dublin almost as much as you do. If I could choose any jockey to ride Dublin I am not sure who I would choose. But I believe it is acknowledgment of Dublin's talent by a top jockey. I hope Dublin finally gets a good trip. I can't think of a horse who has had worse luck in getting a good trip/ride than Dublin has. What a shame for such a talented horse. I watched his win in the Hopeful where he was not wearing blinkers and I wondered how he would do without blinkers. Could the blinkers be the reason for some of his antics instead of preventing them? I would never presume to question a hall of fame trainer but just wondered...

10 May 2010 10:59 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

txhorsefan

  You're right. It's not the job of a competing owner or trainer to help another horse win the Triple Crown. It is their job to win a big race, and in the end it helps with their resume. Years down the road you see that Birdstone won The Belmont and you are impressed. It doesn't matter that he skipped The Preakness, but I have to admit that I was mad at Nick Zito for a long time for lying in wait for Smarty Jones. And you thought Ralph Kramden threw tantrums !!! I was a mess after Smarty lost The Belmont. Devastated after my tantrum. If they can win The Belmont only by skipping The Preakness then that is what they must do. It is really only relevant to anyone anyway if a horse wins the first two legs, and the chance of that happening this year is slim. We'd hate to force horses into running all three, then it would be a safety issue too.

10 May 2010 11:11 AM
Steve Haskin

Of course it was The Twlight Zone. What he heck was I thinking? Mental lapse.

Dr. D. Steve McQueen's sawed off shotgun was good, but nothing could beat The Rifleman's rifle and Yancy Deringer with his little Deringer. They used to make Deringer water pistols.

Alice hands down.

Ralph: "What's your draw filled with, Alice? Clothes.

What's in my draw? one pair of pants. Why is there only one pair pants in my draw?

Alice: "Because one pair of your pants is all that'll fit in there."

Zoo, I have no set sleeping hours. You never know when you'll find me on here.

10 May 2010 11:15 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Katherine

  I think Mine That Bird was closer to winning the Triple Crown than people realize. I also think that the Triple crown can't be treated as a series because that would be unsafe. You could get someone racing their horse when it's not safe to do so. Each race has to be one within itself. It's just that it's been so long and we've had so many close calls that we feel like we've been robbed. We just have to be patient.

10 May 2010 11:17 AM
Katherine

Steve, Zookeeper, Tim G, and Dr Drunkinbum all the memories you invoke are Priceless. What fun!

10 May 2010 11:19 AM
Zookeeper

Katherine,

I read somewhere that Calvin is not going to do as many interviews or make as many appearances this year. He said he will focus a lot more on getting the job done. Although I understood what was happening to him last year, I found this tidbit of information very reassuring for Super Saver.

Part of me was resentful towards Calvin for jumping off of courageous little Mine That Bird. I got over it as Rachel Alexandra's brilliance lit the racing world on fire. But I still felt sad for the small horse that had the balls (no small feat for a gelding)to follow Calvin's lead by scraping the paint at CD and winning the Derby in a mind blowing fashion.

What is it about this equally fearless jockey that gives horses the confidence to go where other horses are reluctant to run? What makes them trust him so? Is it their *horse-sense* telling them that he has earned that trust? I think it is.

10 May 2010 11:34 AM
Fran Loszynski

Katharine:

I always thought that too about the sunglasses- but I watched another race and he is pulling his head to the right instead of focusing front. Mr. Lukas may have seen something in that. Let's face it something like that can't be the most comfortable thing to wear but many racehorses adjust very well. I have wondered though if Dublin is the type of horse that wants to stare down his competition and then run away. I believe Mike Smith was mentioned as a good jockey for him. I still like Terry though, he's a trooper. Then again I wish I could see what Jeremy Rose would do with him. I think Ice Box or Jackson Bend if they run and Dublin will duel in the Belmont a fight to the finish.

Nick Zito's been too quiet, he's got something up his sleeve.

10 May 2010 11:54 AM
Katherine

Zookeeper I read that comment about what Calvin said about this year's Belmont, here I believe. I have the highest regard for Calvin and do not mean to sound critical, after all, we are all mortal. Few would attempt what Calvin makes look easy. Calvin must have the most fantastic hands in racing because I believe he transfuses courage to his mounts.

10 May 2010 11:57 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

 That's funny-"no easy feat for a gelding."  I agree 100%, horses run better for jockeys they trust. Rough, uncaring jockeys that try to manhandle their horses and put them in danger aren't going to get as much out of them. Lookin At Lucky will be happy. He already trusts Garcia, and Lucky and Gomez got into too many messes together. He's got him spooked. "Well, there's another fine mess you've gotten us into Stanley."  I was mad at Calvin too for getting off of Mine That Bird. It still feels weird. You have a lot of great insight Zookeeper, you just need to get DVD's of old TV shows from the fifties !!!!

10 May 2010 12:27 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Fran

  Dublin is still a mystery to many of us. What distance and style does he really like, and how much class does he really have? We could see good things from him in the future, I just don't know if he's quite there yet. At least Thompson got The Derby mount, and he did well. I wouldn't have made a change but I'm OK with it, since Thompson had his Derby.

10 May 2010 12:30 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  We all wanted deringers as kids. Definitely the coolest gun of all. The sneaky gun. It could come out of anywhere. He could be in one heck of a mess with no way out but wait, they didn't know about the deringer I had hidden in my nose. "Ah, he's just pickin his nose."  "The heck he is, that sneaky bluenosedgopher pulled a deringer outta there. Run for the hills !!!!"

10 May 2010 12:34 PM
Fran Loszynski

Katharine you have one of the greatest insights in horseracing-"transfuses his courage to his mounts" that is exactly what a good jockey does. Listen to some of the interviews of Gary Stevens when they ask him about his mounts. I believe it was Point Given and tears come to his eyes, he blames himself for that race loss. Calvin could ride a Louisiana fly on a bad day. When he rode Street Sense that horse was the legs of Borel. My perfect day of racing is watching Jeremy Rose and Calvin Borel on a horse. A young jockey now who has the same courage is Joe Talamo. One to watch for big things not only with Sydney. This guy has no fear and loves racehorses.

10 May 2010 12:53 PM
Zookeeper

Fran Loszynski,

It takes a lot of humility for a jockey to admit that a horse lost the race because of the ride. Like you, I saw Gary Stevens do that and also express sorrow at the lost opportunity for Point Given to wear the Triple Crown. I gained an even greater appreciation for him, not only as a gifted jockey, but also as a great human being. Thank you for bringing this to mind!

10 May 2010 2:21 PM
Fran Loszynski

Dr. D:

Yes Dublin is a mystery;I'm the first to admit that. I also have deep faith in the trainers of our days. These are the type of horses that come out of the blue with a win. Bob Baffert, Nick Zito and Wayne Lucas all know something about their horses we can never figure out until they are sprung on us. We will miss them someday when they retire as trainers. The old school guys. I hope Dublin wins again for Mr. Lucas. He had enough faith in him to purchase him. Look at Ruffian. We never really knew Ruffian until her last day, she just kept running even when down. I haven't seen M 101 blogging hope I haven't chased him away Steve. He had alot to say and offer.

10 May 2010 2:34 PM
berttheclock

Earlier, I mentioned the "Jack Benny Radio Show".  Now, there is a track tie in.  They may have done the same running gag on TV, but, it concerned a track type tout.  You know that character who approaches you at the track with "Who do ya like?, then, says "Uh UH".  This character was used whenever Benny went to the LA train station for a trip east, or to a department store to buy a gift.  The character would sidle up to Benny and say "Hey Bub" and then ask him where he was going or what he was going to buy.  After Benny responded, the "tout" would say, "Uh Uh" and give him a different city or gift, which the "Wise Guys" were going with.  I mentioned this to a friend who works at a local large nursery.  I told them they could use me as a "tout" for whatever plant they were pushing.  Then, when any customer said, "Roses", I could say, "Uh, Uh, Clematis, they're all going with Clematis".

10 May 2010 2:54 PM
Cinci Murph

Hey Steve how hard was it to take the 2 'wise guy' horses all week P O P and SS, especially with SS male blood line back to Raise A Native that has 17 winners in the last 33 Derbys, with the 2 smallest horses in the slop (remember itty bitty Mine that Bird in the slop?)  Ice Box and the filly, in a $1 box super?

Apparently it was as hard as picking 25,000 - 1 shot (for $101Gs)

It's so easy the day after isn't it?

10 May 2010 3:57 PM
Gary at Rough Creek

Steve,

What are your thoughts on Super Saver's quality in relation to his coming home the last quarter of the KY Derby in 26.60 seconds and a horse closing in on him?

What do you make of SS receiving a 104 Beyer for that race, while MTB finished last year's running on a similar track in 2:02.66 and only received a 105 Beyer?  It seemed to me that the dirt races on the 2010 KY Derby under card were run in fairly quick times...  

10 May 2010 4:30 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

berttheclock

  I remember that guy. "Bud, hey Bud."  Jack says, "Who me?" with a bit of a scared tone because the guy was a little creepy. Then he gives Jack a horse race tip-"so and so in the fifth." Johhny Casrson said that he bawled like a baby twice in his life. One of those times was when Jack Benny died.

10 May 2010 4:32 PM
kbrod

good story steve,i would have liked it more if u all out stuck with super saver,picked him #1 on derby day picks ,not worrying about odds,i do believe u picked a few horses that day,but would have been sweeter story to have said ,,saver the one to beat

10 May 2010 5:38 PM
txhorsefan

I think you're right, Zookeeper & Katherine,  the horses do have a sense that tells them, through the rider's hands and likely more, whether or not they can be trusted to help get them through those tight spots.  And I don't doubt for a minute what Dr. D says about Lucky and Gomez having too many of those fine messes they've been through to continue to work well together.  It will be very interesting to see Gomez on Dublin and Garcia on Lucky and it doesn't take anything away from the skills or talents of either rider because first and foremost, they need to get along with the horse.  Looks pretty elementary as I type it, but hopefully you can follow what I'm attempting to say.

Can't believe none of you has mentioned Paladin yet, or did he not have the same appeal?  I think I need to go spend some time on hulu and watch some of these old shows again after y'all have brought back such great memories.  Thanks!

10 May 2010 6:33 PM
Zookeeper

kbrod,

Sweeter but maybe not as truthful. Anybody can claim anything on these blogs but Mr. Haskin keeps it real by telling us about his few failings.

Glad you did well on the Derby! Now can you clue us in on the Preakness?

10 May 2010 7:00 PM
Zookeeper

txhorsefan,

It is not hard to follow what you're saying. We will all be watching. First, because it should be a great race and second, we all want to see Lucky's troubles over and done with. Hope Dublin runs well, for his own sake and also for Gomez's own self-confidence.

10 May 2010 7:58 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Reading Mr. Haskin's other Hangin' blog, I was not shocked that you have writing ambitions. God knows you have enough imagination to pull it off. The discipline, I bet, must be the hardest part. Let me cheer you on! Rah!Rah!Rah!

I'd love to be able to say, after viewing a movie whose storyline you wrote: "I know that guy, he's my blogging buddy. We hang together at Haskin's place."  :)

10 May 2010 8:11 PM
Katherine

Sorry, had to leave my computer earlier before I could respond to your comments. Dr D thank you for letting me know what you thought about my "idea". I have to agree with you that some would forsake safety for greater reward. The TC should be left as it is. The fact so few have been able to accomplish a TC shows that a horse must have tremendous talent and a huge amount of luck as well.

10 May 2010 8:28 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Your words mean a tremendous lot to me. I appreciate it deeply. I will work hard, encouraged by your words. Hopefully starting tomorrow !!!!!!!! Thank you so much.

10 May 2010 9:04 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Katherine

   Thanks for your response. As many have said, we got spoiled by the 70's. It takes a lot of good luck, a lot of not having bad luck, and a tremendous amount of talent. We also got spoiled by close calls in the last 20 years. It always seems so close. I think an important question is: Why are we so obsessed by it, why do we crave a Triple Crown so desperately? Why can't we be satisfied with each race's win? The answers lie in human and American nature but I'm not going to try to determine what they are. That would be too in depth. When I saw Eskendereya in The Wood I knew that he was one of the greats in my lifetime and was immediately saying Triple Crown. Now I think it is highly unlikely for this year. Just when you think it's unlikely is when it's likely to happen !! There are too many obstacles for it to happen when you think it will happen. When I saw Eskendereya in The Wood I said, "Please don't let me die before The Belmont. I want to experience a Triple Crown just once more before I die. I am like many others, we were young adults in the 70's and assumed we'd see many more Triple Crowns. I didn't appreciate it like I should have. And I do believe it's much tougher now with 20 horse fields in The Derby, and fields increasing in size in the other two races also. The throw in the factor of decreased stamina in our breeding.

10 May 2010 9:17 PM
sherpa

gee whiz, what a walk down Memory Lane!  Guess many of us are of the same generation.  The 50's was the BEST TV ever!  "Fury" was my favorite but I also loved "The Range Rider" (Jock Mahoney).  Anyone else remember him?  

Caracortado was my Derby horse until he failed the graded earnings test, and I couldn't really fall in love with any of the others.  Decided I could be happy for whoever won, and I am.  Now, since Cara will be in the Preakness, I will have pre-race jitters.  <sigh> It was kind of nice to sit back and enjoy the Derby.  You can do that when you have 20 "favorites"... ;-)

If Mr. Haskin is planning to do a Tuesday "chat," I hope it will be in the evening.  Some of us have to work 9-5, you know. lol

10 May 2010 9:37 PM
Katherine

Dr Drunkinbum

Until Secretariat won the Triple Crown I thought I might never see a TC winner in my lifetime and then came Seattle Slew and when Affirmed and Alydar dueled the whose series I began to almost take the  Triple Crown for granted. How fortunate we were to witness those fabulous 70's. And now it has been so long. You are right there have been so many close calls Point Given, Silver Charm, Charismatic, Funnycide, Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex and others I am probably leaving some off. While I would absolutely LOVE to see Super Saver win the Triple Crown, I think you are right about it being doubtful we will see a Triple Crown this year because there are a so many talented colts this year.

When did they expand the Derby field to 20?  I wish the Derby field was about 15. In a 20 horse field the race is reduced more to luck than talent.

Please pursue your writing aspirations, I really enjoy reading your posts and learning from your insight. Thanks!

10 May 2010 10:02 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Katherine

   Thanks!!!!! I really like your posts too, and thanks for your encouragement. I don't recall when it went to 20. The best 15 would be better but it's not going to happen. Even with 20 we can't get the top horses in !!!!!

Sherpa

    Same generation-that explains why this blog is a Grade One. We wondered why, now we know. It's funny how we discovered it, talking about Ralph Kamden,  Dobie Gillis, and Sgt. Garcia rather than horses, jockeys, and trainers.

10 May 2010 10:43 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Good story-telling is one of humans great gift. As a child, all stories fascinated me, whether they were a work of fiction or the retelling of a real life event. Well, I haven't changed much, at least in this respect. lol!

That's why I like Mr. Haskin's writing so much. He doesn't just give facts and figures, he tells us the wonderful tale hidden behind the curtain.

Movies, when they are any good, do the same thing. Action movies put me to sleep (really!) but give me a slower movie with a great storyline and I'm all eyes and ears.

So, I encourage you to keep at it. Just by some of your comments on these blogs I can tell that your imagination knows no limit and it would be a shame to not let it soar and delight the rest of us. :)

10 May 2010 11:42 PM
txhorsefan

Zookeeper, glad you could follow my train of thought - quite often the little engine that could gets sidetracked - lol!  It's just one of my long held beliefs that animals have a seventh sense or so that we cannot comprehend - they just know when we are right for them.  

Sherpa, part of my problem is I have so many favorites in any race, hence the reason I'm not much of a gambler - I could never afford to bet the ways my heart leads me.

Totally off the subject, did y'all see the news that Dominic Terry has been taken off Rachel Alexandra?  I couldn't find all the details, but it was obviously not his choice.  

11 May 2010 12:22 AM
Slew

Dr. D: Please get your writing to a publisher.  Many people can write; few have the unique timing to excel at humor...you are one of those few, and I enjoy your comments.

I think anyone who writes effectively is also a bibliophile, which may be why the Twilight Zone episode with Burgess Meredith appealed most to our senses.

McQueen... sawed-off, double barrelled 12 gauge. (reality check..good only at minimal distances) I already had the gun.  What I really wanted back then was his real life Triumph Bonneville.  Vrooom.

As for the Preakness...with any other jockey, POP could win...with any OTHER jockey.  I hope SS does it again, but I really like First Dude.  Hurricane Ike previously had Borel at Churchill on the rail.  Not as certain he'll do as well in the Preakness.  Has anyone seen whether or not the Rock Hard Ten colt, New Madrid, will be in the Preakness?  If he is, I need to hope he's gained some maturity and can stay in one lane.  If he can, he'll be in my top 3.

Why do we reminisce about old TV shows...1) because the field for the Preakness has us more confused than ever. 2)Too many "reality" shows, not enough writers..

..Twilight Zone, Playhouse 90, Thriller, etc.  Enough...Car 54...Where are you?  And for those of us who enjoyed "Mr. Ed", more power to us...it's all about the horse....Silver, Scout, Trigger, Fury, Flicka, or Saturday matinees that featured Hop-a-long Cassidy and Topper.  Cisco Kid had to have the best..black stallion named Diablo.  Perfect.  Ain't it great?  Long term memories tend to survive in senility.

11 May 2010 7:54 AM
Fran Loszynski

I'm so glad Harissa is in the Black-Eyed Susan. She is a great little horse. Wouldn't it be a hoot if she won and Dublin won the Preakness! You never know in horseracing. I bet Garrett Gomez is going to ride his heart out on Dublin ; I can't imagine that he won't be feeling hurt they took him off Lucky. He'll be whispering in Dublin's ear: "c'mon boy let's show em!". The two underdogs leave the others in the dust. As Gary Stevens said to Toby Maguire in Seabiscuit "That's a small horse you've got there!" Maguire's response "He's going to look even smaller in a few minutes!"

Garrett -that's a big lanky horse you've got there-He's going to look even bigger when you end up behind him! Go Harissa , Go Dublin

Love you Afleet Alex. You'll always be the awesome Preakness Horse.

11 May 2010 7:59 AM
Katherine

txhorsefan

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You are so right, horses (and all animals and small children) can feel the love for them if it is in your heart. It is something that can't be feigned. That feeling is transferred through our hands and voice. I read a really interesting story on a blog about rogue stallions, you may have already read or heard it, when an owner was driven to see a stallion he had bred the stallion manager would tell the groom to loosen the chain and the owner would feed the horse peppermints and the horse would later lick the palm of his hand. Animals have long memories. In the interview with Penny Chenery she said Secretariat knew the sound of her voice but after year on the stud farm he forgot; but Riva Ridge never forgot her. I love to read about Calvin Borel going to visit "Daddy Rabbit", or Edgar Prado visiting Barbaro or Jack Van Berg visiting John Henry and Gary Stevens visiting Point Given. Those are bonds that once forged are not forgotten.

11 May 2010 8:27 AM
Zookeeper

Katherine,

You mentioned HRTV's documentary about Penny Chenery... wasn't it great? Loved every minute of it. What a fascinating woman, very down to earth, very candid. When I grow up (lol!) I want be just like her! I only have one complaint: the documentary was too short!

Can't wait for the Secretariat movie. Someone posted the link to the trailer on one of these blogs before the Derby. Watching it brought goosebumps and tears. If a few seconds can cause all that emotion, I better bring a whole box of tissues when the movie finally comes out.

11 May 2010 10:22 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Slew

  I'm very appreciative of your comments. Thank you very much. Thanks for your 50's show contributions. I love it. You've been one that has meant a lot to me in this blogging experience that is new to me. Thanks for making me feel welcome all along.

11 May 2010 10:25 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Thank you very much. I've always loved your words. You have great communication skills in writing yourself. You've helped me a lot. You're right about Steve Haskin. He would excel at any form of writing. He is a great story teller, and that IS what it is ALL about. That's why I have seeked out his articles all of these years. His rendition of Paddy's and Desormeux's ride was fabulous. Don't you love those writers who have no match in their style and story telling ability. The writers that we have who we could not imagine existing without them. There is no one like them and our lives would have been so much poorer without them. That is Steve Haskin.

11 May 2010 10:32 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Katherine

  Excellent post. For many animals it only takes a split second for them to know if they are despised, indifferent, or loved by a human being in their vicinity. Many animals have so many fabulous traits that most humans are incapable of such as the unconditional love and quick forgiveness that dogs can express even when pain is caused. You don't see revenge in animals, and many other nasty traits that humans have. Animals rely on tremendous instincts. We rely on a convoluted maze of mixed up emotions and desires to make our decisions.

11 May 2010 10:44 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Larry Mondello. Margie Albright. Thorny Thornberry. Doc Williams. Wally. Joe Friday. Bud Anderson. Paladin. Fred Mertz. 328 Chauncey St. Rusty. Cheyenne Bodie. George Wilson. Bob Collins. Pete Wilkey. Dan Mathews. Chester Riley. Tonto. Buffalo Bob Smith. Herbert T Gillis. Milton Armitage. Chatsworth Osborne Jr. Osgood Conklin. Chester. Kitty.

11 May 2010 11:26 AM
Linda in Texas

Slew - was just about to add Hop-A-Long-Cassidy as he had not been mentioned and of course his beautiful Topper. To be honest, that is what began my love of horses.

Also will never forget Saturdays when you could spend all afternoon at the movies for 9 cents watching Gene Autry and Roy Rogers.  Probably got it from my dad who read every Louis L'Amour western book there was.

And i will really be dating myself but i even looked forward to the photographer who used to come around the neighborhood with his Shetland Pony and take pictures of us on him. He carried the chaps and western hat to add to the authenticity of it all. Oh for the good ol' days. Glad i am not alone on here in the age or should that be 'aged' department?  

Glad to hear that LAL is going to get a different jockey. Horses do have a 7th sense, and i would like to know what LAL must have been thinking when he had to check for the 3rd time in the Derby. Maybe went like,"what the hell am i supposed to do, you keep running me into other horses, do you want me to run or sit on it?" But to the contrary, LAL kept trying so you have to love him for his will to run his heart out. He isn't a quitter. And yes, he reminds me of Mine That Bird who i still follow in New Mexico every article i can find.

Fran - I like Dublin also. And Paddy and Ice Box and Hurrican Ike and on and on. At least,hopefully, no slop and not 20, that is just too many running down one track. That was a nightmare in my opinion.

Hope your choice of a horse wins in The Preakness.  Especially those who bet.

Gread reading on the second article, Mandy and thanks, Steve,

You are the best, at least for now!!

11 May 2010 11:46 AM
Linda in Texas

GREAT READING,Mandy (typo, sorry)

saw it just as i hit submit.

11 May 2010 11:47 AM
Steve Haskin

Wow,Dr D, you are n rare form. Paladin, my all-time favorite. Kitten and Princess (Anderson),Oh Susana,Phineas T. Bluster, Clarabelle (had an ice cream pop named after him), Froggy (hated him), Ollie of Kukla and Fran fame (scared the heck out of me with that snaggle tooth), Mrs. Manicotti, Hop Sing, (Mr.Wilson to you), Rochester, Topo Gigio, Mr. Marshall (Kramden's Delicious Marchall), Uncle Leo, Sugarfoot, Colt .45, (Our) Miss Brooks, Wonderama, Romper Room, Miss Landers (I still have a crush on her).

11 May 2010 11:49 AM
Steve Haskin

If you havent been back there, Mandy wrote a Thank You to everyone who commented on her articles. It's on the Easy Writer blog. I hope you can check it out

11 May 2010 11:57 AM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

Thank you for taking us through the experience of Paddy's trip in the Derby. In a 20 horse field, I often miss the details and your most recent article pointed out quite a few things I had missed.

You would never find me complaining that a horse was not whipped enough and I certainly did not think that Desormeaux had quit trying. The urging doesn't always take the form of repeated strikes with the whip.

What keeps eluding me is the changing leads business. No matter how I concentrate on the front legs of the horse, I still fail to see the switch or the absence of it. I need some serious schooling on this or better glasses or whatever it will take for me to get IT. It aggravates me no end that I manage to miss what other people can see so clearly. :(

11 May 2010 1:21 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

 You too!!!!!! I love Miss Landers !!!!!! Are you kidding me. I still have a crush on her too !!!

11 May 2010 1:30 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

I guess I should have been nice and explained the names. Next time I will. Thanks. I was trying to remember Ralph Kramden's boss's name. 328 Chauncey in Bensonhurst was where the Kramdens lived. You gotta Love That Bob, Our Miss Brooks, Ozzie and his ice cream, Wally and his huge appetite, Larry Mondello and his apples and stomach aches, Norton and all of the great stuff he pulled out of his lunch box in front of Ralph when Ralph was on a diet, with Ralph and his sad expression and licking his lips watching Norton dig into that giant sandwich. Can you imagine not having the memories of the 50's and 60's? That would be depressing. Did anyone else ruin thousands of dollars worth of baseball cards putting them in their spikes in their bike to make that cool sound?

11 May 2010 1:42 PM
Steve Haskin

In one episode, his boss was Mr. Monihan, but Mr. Marshall in all the others. OK, here we go. Love That Bob -- Schultzy. Ozzie's favorite ice cream that he had a craving for -- tutti frutti. Our Miss Brooks -- remember a young Richard Crenna. Loved Larry Mondello (great child actor), and dont forget Whitey and Gilbert. And of course there was Wally's friends Eddie Haskell and Lumpy Rutherford -- father Fred Rutherford, later to become Mel on the Dick Van Dyke Show. Best thing Norton ever ate with Ralph was a four-foot long hero. He asked Ralph is he cared to start at the other end. And dont forget that Neopolitan knockwurst.

Not only did I ruin the baseball cards, my mother threw out all of them when we moved.

Oh, and by the way, I grew up in Bensonhurst.

11 May 2010 2:50 PM
Steve Haskin

Zoo, keep watching over and over; you'll start to see it. Even my wife can spot it now.

btw, would call a pet hamster Mr. Haskin? Uh uh. Steve is a much better name for a furry little friendly pet.

11 May 2010 2:54 PM
Frances Loszynski

Here's one for Dr.D

What was Sargeant Joe Friday's badge number on Dragnet? Anybody?

11 May 2010 2:56 PM
Zookeeper

Yes, but Mr. Haskin has so much more dignity, something hamsters are often lacking. They make up for it in the cuteness department.

Thanks for the encouragement regarding lead changes. I'll keep trying. God knows I'd love to see it ONCE in my lifetime.

11 May 2010 3:25 PM
Tim G

"Have Gun Will Travel reads the card of a man.

A knight without armor in a savage land.

His fast gun for hire head's the calling wind.

A soldier of fotune is the man called Paladin.

Paladin, Paladin

Where do you roam?

Paladin, Paladin,

Far, far from home"

Remember it had a black chess knight on the card?

Richard Boone, definitely not a leading man.

The original Maverick, Rawhide on and on.

Andy Devine, twang (or plunk) that magic twanger Froggie.  Midnight the cat and Squeeky (the mouse, who was really a hamster). Remember him playing the violin?

The possessed piano Grandie. The cheesiest special effects in the world.

My very favorite thing:

"Gunga, the East India Boy,"  We always went out in the north forty and played Gunga and his friend Rama. Course we also pretended to be Swiss Family Robinson, Roy Rogers, the original Journey to The Center of the Earth and whoever else struck our fancy.

Try riding your bike where there are no roads! We used playing cards and clothespins on ours.

Richard Crenna in The Real McCoys, Walter Brennan.

GUNSMOKE the best western saloonkeeper, Miss Kitty. (and whatever else she did) My first grade teacher looked just like her. Same red lips and bright red hair and beauty mark. I was in love!

11 May 2010 3:30 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Bloggers: Ve have vays of making you talk. You vill sign ze blog. After hearing information about 50's TV shows you have no choice in this matter do you Mr. Haskin? Do you ??!!

Steve Haskin: Yes! Yes!, I give up, I'll tell you everything you want to know about 50's TV !!!! And loving it.

My Mom didn't wait til they moved to throw out the rest of the baseball cards. She did it while they were still living there. Mom, do you know where you put the rest of my basball cards? "I threw them out."  "What !!!!! Please tell me you're joking."  No, we cleaned up all the junk. Yikes.

11 May 2010 3:38 PM
Katherine

Linda in Texas

I grew up in Houston and we too had a photographer that led a pony, complete with chaps and cowboy hat so that makes us contemporaries. I still have the picture! The pony was bay and white. I looked for him every year too.

I owned a private school and childcare hired a photographer to come to the school and take pictures of the children. It wasn't quite the same experience that we had but it was close. I think I fed the photographer's pony most of the baby carrots we had.

11 May 2010 3:40 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Andy Devine in a Twilight Zone episode was a classic. Almost everything he said was a tall tale, a whopper, so they didn't believe him, thought it was hilarious when he said that he was abducted by aliens.(after he actually was abducted by them). Thanks Tim G. for your reminders. I loved Andy Devine in anything he was in. No Fran I don't know, I hope you tell us the badge number. So Steve-Your phone number was Bensonhurst what?(don't tell us if family is still using it). Or was it 555 something !! And what was the Kramdens, Bensonhurst what? Ozzie and Harriet were hunting all over town late one night for tutti frutti. Tim G-I do have a vague memory of clothes pins in the spokes. Reminds me of bike accidents and then when I dove into the street to catch a football to win a quarter for making the best catch. Scraped my arms up really bad. A quarter was also my allowance as long as I mowed the lawn and I almost always spent it on 5 packs of baseball cards.

11 May 2010 3:52 PM
Katherine

Zookeeper

Yes I enjoyed the documentary of Penny Chenery too. I agree with you it was far too short. Isn't it fabulous to hear an owner/breeders personal experiences with legendary horses! She has always fascinated me and it was wonderful to hear her tell her story. We are indeed fortunate. I would love to see some of her watercolors. Maybe she could donate some to the rescues for a fund raiser.

11 May 2010 3:54 PM
Katherine

Steve

Not only are you a story teller extraordinaire and living encyclopedia of racing lore, you are an excellent host on your blogs. I don't know when I have had so much fun reading a blog. The trips down memory lane have been great.

11 May 2010 4:00 PM
Karen2

Steve.....I think I have finally realized what I love about you and what so many love about you...and now...your very talented daughter... You are so very real. There is nothing pretentious about you at all. What a breath of fresh air!!!

Zoo: I might not know much about horse racing, or at least not nearly as much as I would love to know...but I know horses and I can spot a lead change a mile away. Start by watching a dressage horse purposely being asked to change leads..you will see the lead change clear and precise...then you can start watching for a lead change when they are moving faster. Once you see it, you will always be able to see it.

11 May 2010 4:30 PM
Zookeeper

Karen2,

That's a good idea. Maybe the problem is that it's all happening too fast. If I learn to spot it at a slower pace, I may be able to transfer my new skill to a much faster pace. Thanks for the tip!

11 May 2010 4:52 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Don't feel bad. I can't see it either.

11 May 2010 5:21 PM
txhorsefan

Slew!  Hopalong Cassidy and Topper were my very favorites when I was a little girl, maybe four or five.  I can still remember my Hopalong Cassidy mug that my mother let me drink milk with a dash of coffee in it - I thought I was so big!  LOL!

11 May 2010 5:43 PM
txhorsefan

Fran - if you hadn't asked for Friday's badge number, I probably could have remembered it because I can visualize it in my head right now, just not the number - grrr.  

Tim G - Richard Boone!  Thank you for reminding me the actor's name since that's something else I couldn't remember.  Yeah, this age stuff is so much fun.

Dr. D - Even better, I ruined my brother's baseball cards in the bicycle spokes, but most of the time my bike was a horse so there were only a few of them.

Zookeeper - I still have a hard time sometimes seeing the horses change leads because they are moving so fast, but I notice it right at the turn or just after and it is usually pretty subtle.  If you ever watch dressage or reining you can see it more easily because the horse is moving at a slower pace, although they are required to do a flying change in both disciplines.  If you've watched a dressage horse "skipping", that is when they are changing from one lead to the other and right back - totally cool movement.  Just now noticed how well Karen2 addressed that in her response, but if you search on youtube, you'll find some cool dressage.

Karen2 - thanks for saying what I'll bet many of us feel about Steve.

11 May 2010 6:07 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Karen2, Memory Seekers,

  Very well said Karen2. That's a big part of it, unpretentious. Real. It sure is exciting all of the memories we're invoking. What could be better than thinking about things from the 50's and 60's we hadn't thought of in 40-60 years? I'm thankful for those times. We played and ran and explored all over the place at all hours. Sure we ran into a bully once in awhile but usually it was just great times without fear, and we had great shows from that new medium called television. One TV, 3 channels. A TV that got smacked a lot to get it to work again. No cable, just antennas. And transistor radios when we were outside or in bed. The only TV was in the living room and we only got to watch what we wanted to watch when Dad wasn't around. I remember an extreme tantrum I threw because he was watching boxing and I couldn't watch Laurel and Hardy. Mom could compromise, Dad couldn't. I think I thought he was just being mean. I couldn't comprehend why anyone would want to watch boxing over Laurel and Hardy.

11 May 2010 6:14 PM
kbrod

zoo keeper, what i was getting at was this would have been a awsome story leading right up to derby day then steve giving saver out as his choice on top,not after the fact.as for preakness ill focus on three this week,saver,caracortado,schoolyard dreams

11 May 2010 8:30 PM
sherpa

I'm glad this memory train is still rolling this evening!  I kept thinking of other great old programs all day...Father Knows Best, Make Room for Daddy and so many you all mentioned while I slept & worked.  

You think West Coasters have a disadvantage on the blogs? Just imagine being on the EAST coast and having to go to bed just when all the fun people out west (you know who you are LOL) are coming in!  By the time I can log in after work, I have a night & day's worth of postings to read. When I finally catch up, it's usually time to go to bed again. :-(

11 May 2010 8:47 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

This year's Preakness is shaping up to be one great race. There's more competition for Super than in The Derby and on a dry track too. If Super wins then he has a legitimate chance for a Triple but that's a mighty big if. Many horses can beat him. Super will be a big underlay. You're right about Schoolyard's move in The Tampa, one of the best of the year and a heartbreaking and stunning photo loss for me. Super is not going to control the pace and pull away. He is in for a battle, and in danger of someone like Schoolyard or Pleasant, or Caracortado or Lucky swooping by. I still have a lot of faith in Pleasant despite what his owner saying "we're probably not going to win the race."

11 May 2010 8:50 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

ALL TOGETHER NOW:

   Davy, Davy Crockett, King of the wild frontier, the man who don't know fear. Davy Davy Crockett the buckskin bucaneer. Davy Davy Crockett went a politican and patched up the Liberty Bell. Davy Davy Crockett leadin the pioneers. Davy Davy Crockett King of the wild frontier.

11 May 2010 11:20 PM
tcc

Fran:

#714,

Maybe after the Preakness post position's are drawn, you could see which horse's are in post 7,1,4 and do some type of exotic wager on them.

12 May 2010 12:23 AM
Zookeeper

sherpa,

I feel for you, especially if you try to catch up with another blog that I'm not allowed to mention.

Some day, you'll be like us "old fogies" in here, blissfully retired and able to blog as much as you want. There are advantages to being past one's prime.  :)

You mention "Father Knows Best" and to give you an idea of how different things were in Quebec where I grew up, my father thought that the children in the story were very disrespecful towards their parents. He could understand and speak English but (sadly) never wanted to teach us. He probably was afraid that, if we were able to understand what the heck was going on, we would pick up the smarty ways of the children in the series. lol!

Mr. Haskin,

Is Big Brother listening?

Dr Drunkinbum,

I saw your comment on that "forbidden place" about your writing for a couple of hours today. That's great! I applaud your keeping your resolution to keep working at it. I'm impressed! Rah!Rah!Rah!

Mr. Haskin,

I was scanning this blog and noticed that the comment posted by Mr. Blood Horse Staff has been deleted. What happened? Did I dream it?  

12 May 2010 1:19 AM
Slew

Okay...who else, if anyone, who loved westerns as a kid, and had no pony, would weave a rope in the handlebars of their bicycle, and steer it using the rope...all the while imagining you were on the horse of your dreams, charging across the plains?  Or am I the only nut job?  I also remember decorating our bike spokes with red, white and blue crepe strips and following the Memorial Day parade through town.  It appears we were all indoctrinated to the horse at a very early age via those great Westerns...Sugarfoot, Cheyenne, Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone...would you ever believe we were also learning history? How tricky of them.

Steve, your article on Schoolyard Dreams...not good for me.  Nearly lost my eye to a stickball way back when..on w 134th near CCNY.

12 May 2010 7:00 AM
Katherine

Slew

If I had thought to weave a rope through my bike's handle bars and steer it that way I would have!!

12 May 2010 9:09 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  I remembered that big sub sandwich and I think it was Norton that always had me thinking of eating one of those things. I was going to mention it before you did but i thought my memory was exaggerated so I didn't. Thanks for this forum of great memories. Yes. Fred Rutherford from the movie The Birds by Hitch. The only one to call his son Clarence. He was lumpy to everyone else. When we were all in school and they asked, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" Steve said that he wanted to drive a bus or work in a sewer, or own a small market, or be a bounty hunter, or Sheriff.

12 May 2010 9:17 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Slew

  I didn't put the rope on my bike, I roped my little brothers instead. "Slow down you're moving too fast. I can't lassoo you when you move that fast. Slow down or you're going to regret it."

12 May 2010 9:20 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  Our old school fathers hated those shows. They thought communication was "talking back"  "I'm not talking back. I'm just expressing my opinion like Bud, Wally and Beaver do."  "Not in this house you're not. Now go do what I said."

12 May 2010 9:22 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Sherpa

  How about Ben Casey, Dr Kildare, Bachelor Father, The Real McCoys, Sugarfoot, Howdy Doody, Annie Oakley, Broken Arrow, Burke's Law, Lawman, The Millionaire, The Life of Riley, Route 66, Rawhide. Warren Beatty was in Dobie Gillis, and Clint Eastwood was in Rawhide, and Steve loves Tuesday, and Miss Landers. He loves them so much he wants to marry them. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.  "I do not want to marry them !!!! I just think they're cool, that's all so get off of my back before I belt you one."

12 May 2010 9:36 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Here's your morning singalong. Sing it loud and sing it with joy wherever you may be today. At the track, in the store, or just to your spouse or kids at home:

"Hello, I'm Mr. Ed. A horse is a horse of course of course and no one can talk to a horse of course. That is unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed. Go right to the source and ask the horse, he'll give you the answer that you endorse. He's always on a steady course, talk to Mr. Ed. People yakkety yak the street and waste your time of day but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say. A horse is a horse of course of course and this one will talk to his horse. You've never heard of a talking horse? Well listen to this- I am Mr. Ed."

12 May 2010 9:53 AM
txhorsefan

tcc:  thanks for posting Friday's badge number - now my mental picture is complete

Dr. D:  Didn't everyone run around in a coonskin cap for a while?  Another great show!  Like Zookeeper says, keep writing.

Sherpa:  I wasn't coordinated enough to use a rope, but by golly, my bicycle was my trusty steed and there's no way I could even to this day, get on a bike other than mounting from the left side - lol!

Steve, thank you again for letting us enjoy our memories and sharing your generosity of time and knowledge and humor with us.  You all are awesome!

12 May 2010 11:09 AM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

You are certifiable! Now go back to your movie script!  :)

12 May 2010 11:14 AM
Steve Haskin

Nothing got me more excited than when Disney had Davy Crockett on Frontierland. I had my coonskin cap and Ol Betsy and was ready to kill me a 'bar when I was only 3 and fight Red Stick to save Georgie and end the Creek Indian war. And how cute was Polly?

I loved Burke's Law, didnt know if any remembered it. Great show.

I wanted to marry Miss Landers, not Tuesday Weld. She wasnt the marrying kind. Miss Landers was every school kid's dream. None of my teachers looked like that and was that sweet.

Yes, Broken Arrow with John Lupton and Michael Ansara.

Zoo, I dont know what comment youre referring to.

12 May 2010 11:38 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

txhorsefan and Steve(and Zookeep)

   Thank you !! I remember the coonskin cap now !! What a great memory. I loved that cap. Wore it 24 hours a day except when they made me take it off. There is no treasure better than a memory like that, that you hadn't thought of in 50 years. Wow, you guys are cool. OK Zookeeper, just sing that song and I promise to get some work done. And keep singing it all day long. I think you're supposed to add "of course" after "that is" in the second line, before "unless the horse." I want to make sure you get it right so you won't embarrass yourself by singing the wrong words when you're in the supermarket line. Steve-I think I still have a jar of Butchwax from the early 60's around here somewhere, only partially used and not opened since the early 60's. I had it a few years ago anyway. Haven't seen it lately.

12 May 2010 12:51 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

I think Zookeeper called me a Certified Public Accountant but I'm not sure. I guess that means she thinks I'm good with numbers. I am good with numbers Zookeeper, like 20-1. A horse with a 20-1 ML will win The Preakness. I'm going in with both fists on Pleasant Prince just like his owner who tried to use reverse psychology on us. But his ploy failed to thwart me. Nice try though.

12 May 2010 9:17 PM
Linda in Texas

tcc - wow how prophetic that the badge number Fran was wondering about you say is 714 and to wait until post positions are drawn for the preakness for bets. Let's see, they were about 4 hours ago,#7 that is Looking at Lucky, 1 that is Aikenite and 4 Northern Giant.

With Super Saver next to Lucky that will be interesting to see who sets the pace or if they will be the ones to do it. Now i am getting Preakness Fever.

I never should have mentioned i like Hurricane Ike, the day i typed that is the day they realized he was not sound and he did not take the flight out.

Just now catching up on all the posts for a couple of days. Had to tend to business.

Katherine, i was born and raised in San Antonio, boarding student at St. Mary's Hall when my mother was very ill and graduated from Alamo Heights H.S.in 1958.

Been fun reading all the ol' days stuff. What would be funner is if we could all meet somewhere for a good ol' Texas Bar-B-Q someday.

I need to find Steve's latest article before it gets past my bedtime. I am like Sherpa !!!!

I am always a day late on reading posts.

Thanks, Steve.

12 May 2010 10:09 PM
Slew

I keep thinking the Preakness is so wide open, it's difficult to choose my favorites.  I think Calvin is determined, so I'll have to go with:

Super Saver, First Dude, LAL and POP.

Do I think Schoolyard Dreams can make a statement and change that?  Yes, but I do not definitively feel that he will.  (and I'm just not that taken with Caracortado due simply to his terrible hair cuts.)...oh Gosh, I'm sooo confused.

13 May 2010 8:15 AM
Joan Haskin

TxHorseFan:

I also had the Hopalong Cassidy mug, but I had cocoa in mine.  I still have it to this day.  Oops -- I'm showing my age!  I can no longer pass myself off as Steve Haskin's much younger wife.  

Dr. D --

At least once a week, Steve says, "That reminds me of a Honeymooners episode.  Do you remember when Ralph . . ."

Or the many repetitions about his coonskin hat!

Enjoyed all the comments!

13 May 2010 8:50 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Joan

  What a great surprise to hear from you. I hope you keep it up. I never blogged before until recently so I don't know if you blogged before. I was going to do one post on the other blog and be done !! Thus, I did not think about the name that popped into my head to use for comedy purposes would follow me through life. This blog, and it's great poster's and getting to know Steve a little has been a tremendous joy. I know others are like me where there are some days that you wish it could go on all day long now that we have found this Time Machine. When we were into the early 70's we were still in the good old days, and had no idea things would change so quickly. Steve loves this nostalgia as we do because it is such cherished times that we left behind. Simpler, adventurous, the sky was the limit for the positive things we could achieve. We believed in human nature, we had innocence, and things were more interesting, and exciting because of that. Our celebrities seemed to be more real, talented, and amazing. The hard times they grew up in shaped their humor, and their appreciation of their achievments and status as I know it has Steve's eventhough he didn't have to go through The Great Depression. I think most of us that love blogging on Steve's blog were children or teenagers in the 50's, the greatest of all decades. Thanks Joan.

13 May 2010 10:50 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Linda in Texas

  I like that Texas BBQ idea. I was saying that if Gomez was taken off of Lucky before The Derby draw that they probably would have drawn Post 7 for The Derby, and now he has 7 for The Preakness. Could be an omen. I had a vision months ago that Lucky would draw post 7 for The Derby, I just had the wrong race. I think Jackson Bend might set the pace. It won't be Super Saver unless the pace is extremely slow. Calvin will want Super sitting behind the leader or leaders but not more than 5 lengths off probably.

13 May 2010 10:55 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Two 20-1 shots are appealing to me. First Dude and Pleasant Prince. Schoolyard Dreams is intriguing but just a notch below those two. Both Lucky and Super should be in the mix with their proven class but there is no way I'd use them in other than an exotic box. I wouldn't bet either to win at those odds, and I wouldn't key off of them. They both can be beat. Lucky should be slightly lower odds than Super in my opinion. I just hope Steve can give us a physicality picture. This is a very good race with many who can impact the outcome. I think it's a good race to shoot "to the moon Alice, to the moon" with a longshot. Now I think I'll go make me a big sandwich on a sourdough bun before I look at some replays. My favorite food-mayonaise. What I put on a sandwich is just to enhance the mayo. You will never in your life hear me say, "hold the mayo." Never have, never will. I'm not afraid of losing my bets. I do have a  dreaded, knee shaking fear of talking myself out of not betting a longshot I like that comes in to win. However, The Derby is one place you can win big without using a longshot on top and I'm hoping to learn that lesson someday.

13 May 2010 12:08 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

With no big speed like Conveyance in here there are quite a few that could try to get and control the lead, and one might succeed at good odds. It all depends on strategy. Is someone going to purposely gun for the lead at all costs? Regardless of who gets the lead there are many live longshots in The Preakness, so many that the chances of Lucky or Super winning are slim, but one or both could be in the top four. Anyone who keys Lucky or Super on top is brave indeed. Anyone who bets ANY of the horses at 15-1 or higher ML WPS or includes them in the exotics has a shot. Including 30-1 ML Yawanna Twist. One thing seems certain-a one, two Super and Lucky finish would be astonishing.

13 May 2010 1:00 PM
Steve Haskin

Dr. D, keep up your writing. You're too good not to. You have the flair for it for sure.

13 May 2010 2:33 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  That is a tremendous compliment coming from an incredible writer.  I am honored. I can't express how much that means to me. If that doesn't inspire me, nothing will. Blogging here is fun, writing stories is fun but then to transform it into a complete screenplay or novel is a tremendous amount of work. I wish I had the energy I had when I was younger but I'll keep plugging away as long as I'm able. Thank you very much for that encouragement, your Grade One blogs, and all of the joy and insight that you've given us with your writings for many years, and your words on the blog. What a treat and gift you are to your fans and the horse racing community. I always thought I should write but was unsure of the direction to take and working and paying the bills took a lot of time and energy. I think there have been many people with great talents that didn't get to pursue them until later in life if at all. My Grandfather was a great artist but only had a few years after his retirement from a tough job to pursue his talent. Thanks.

13 May 2010 4:37 PM
Linda in Texas

Mrs. Haskin, (and by the way so nice to be able to converse with you) since you mentioned the Honeymooners, maybe i won't appear too late to the party in mentioning that The Jackie Gleason Show on Saturday nights was my dad's favorite program, he enjoyed Gleason's dry wit and sense of humor and facial expressions. But i remember how much he looked forward to and enjoyed 'The June Taylor Dancers.' I always got embarrassed because they were so scantily costumed. I was raised by my father and held immense respect for him and do to this day eventho he has been gone since 1977.

And Aubrey Meadows could stare the socks off Jackie any day, any disagreement. She always won.

Mr. Gleason was also a musician and wrote many songs. He was quite talented. "AND AWAY WE GO" is engraved on his tombstone.

So with that said, away i go for now.

Enjoy the Preakness Haskin Family,

13 May 2010 5:28 PM
txhorsefan

Joan, I'm so jealous you still have your Hop A Long mug!  I saw one at an antique mall several years ago, passed it up that day and naturally, have not seen one since.  That's the way it usually is when I'm antiques shopping - if I don't pick it up when I first see it, it's gone.  What a treasure to still have at any rate, and as far as we are concerned, you *are* Steve's much younger wife.  Many times he has mentioned you are his better half, if I remember correctly.

Dr. D - your blog name fits right in with the theme we keep returning to in these posts because I keep picturing either the Red Skelton character or Charley Weaver, wasn't that his name?  The inebriated character portrayed by Mr. Arquette, a frequent guest on Johnny Carson. I completely agree with Steve and Zookeeper on your writing talents, too - keep it up.  Even if you can do short stories or novellas, that's a place to start to get something published.

Linda in Texas - I like the BBQ idea as well.  Of course, since I'm in TX, too, it wouldn't be as much of a challenge for me as for some others...oh wait, forgot how far it is to some of the places in TX.  I'm actually pretty close to Oklahoma - lol!  When I think of all the folks in the NE who can travel to all the historic tracks in fairly short distances, it makes me wish we weren't so spread out here.

13 May 2010 6:07 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Did you participate in the WinStar contest of naming Super Saver's half brother? If not, with your imagination, I encourage you to do so. He is by Medaglia D'Oro out of the same mare: Supercharger. I've already submitted my selection, I'll tell you what it is after the contest is over, right before post time of the Preakness. I hope I win! Maybe I shouldn't encourage you to enter, since your mind is so "far out", you'll probably come up with the winner yourself. :)

See, Mr. Haskin agrees about your "flair" and talent. We're not afraid of you're getting a big head, as with a name like yours, it's pretty hard to be snobbish!

13 May 2010 8:01 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper, linda, Tx

Zoo, I'm going to enter the contest. Thanks. How many spaces can you use for a horse's name? I forgot. Great posts from all of you today. Keep that nostalgia going !!!!!

13 May 2010 9:14 PM
Zookeeper

Mrs. Haskin,

I hope you didn't mind my asking your husband for his hand. It was in a moment of "coup de foudre" after he candidly admitted to blowing it(sometimes) at the betting window. It made me feel so much beter about my own failings!

On a blog, quite a while back, I remember him telling us that you are a better writer than he is. Would you consider writing a blog about "Livin' & Hangin' with Haskin"? That's something all of us would absolutely love to read! Please tell us how you so tamed the "wild beast" in him that he refers to himself as a "pet hamster". :)

P.S. Someone has commented before that your beautiful, talented daughter inherited her looks from you, not her father. I agree! Although I think he's kind of cute.  

13 May 2010 9:23 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

I found out, it's 18 spaces. I entered Zookeeper. Thanks again and good luck. You are so nice to share that with me. I think I'll do their Pick 5 contest too soon. No, I wouldn't get a big head if I had success, I don't like those kind of people.

Txhorsefan-I loved Charley Weaver.

Linda in Texas-The Jackie Gleason show skits were great. I think I left the room during the dancing. Boring. Rock and The Beatles were here. Jackie Gleason was a tremendous talent, lived life the way he wanted and lived a lot longer than anyone thought he would.

13 May 2010 9:44 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

   They were going to do a reality show-"Hangin Out With The Haskins," but after the producers spent a week at their house, they said they couldn't do it because it's already been done. It was done in the fifties and it was about The Kramdens and it was called The Honeymooners.

13 May 2010 11:26 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

txhorsefan

   Thanks for your advice and encouragement. I loved Red Skelton. I could see him using my name. Or Foster Brooks.

14 May 2010 1:57 AM
Slew

Tx: the drunk on Johnny Carson was Foster Brooks....best sketch...the alcoholic pilot.

Love having the Haskin family on this blog, you're all so talented.  

Dr D.: keep blogging.  You always provide a refreshingly humorous insanity at just the right time.  (As long as you don't get "draynayed" away by Setsuko).  For everyone else...thanks for the memories....and yes, I stole that line from Bob Hope.  

14 May 2010 5:13 AM
Katherine

I wonder if we will see a two year old named Dr Drunkinbum in the future? It could happen if I ever buy that lottery ticket and win (lol).

14 May 2010 9:07 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Slew

   Who's Setsuko? That other name you used is not allowed here. This is a Grade One. No, I don't mean Bob Hope. He's a Grade One. I saw a Foster Brooks show in Las Vegas. I still will be shocked if Pleasant Prince isn't in the top 4 and if a longshot isn't in the top 3. It seems too wide open. ML odds are a little weird to me too. I'm still putting something on PP to win and doing a few boxes. This is a fun race. I like it better than The Derby. Did you enter the contest? Winstar.

14 May 2010 10:37 AM
Linda in Texas

Is anyone going to make the big leap and put your name on the line for who the winner of the Preakness

will be???

  I am saying LAL, SS, POP,or FD and not necessarily in that order.

But don't forget D C PP A SYD NG

 JB & YWT. Safe Preakness to all.

Dr. Drunkinbum & txhrsfan - hey ya'll, i live 16 miles from the geographical center of Texas. I can get as far as Memphis in 8 hours, St. Louis about the same, if the trailer is empty,

so other bloggers probably could get to the center of the country in good time,too. Have no idea where the exact center of the U.S. is. Probably a few extra hours for Californians and East Coasters.

I have access to a huge BarbQue Pit on wheels, i will bring the beef, someone bring taters to fix  salad and Sweet Tea and we could start the first annual

"Haskin Family Bloodhorse Blogging Reunion!"

Nobody wears name tags and you have to figure out who is whom by what comes out of their mouths?

First one to pick Draynay lines up last for vittles! I know he is a good sport, if he isn't now, he sure would be one pretty quick. I like Draynay because he is persistent.

And Dr. Drunkinbum can man the mike and anyone with a talent can keep the others entertained.

I know i am dreaming, but i think it would be great fun.  

And with the sad news of SKIP

AWAY today, may he run forever in green pastures as he did on  racetracks where he performed so beautfully. Just something mighty regal about the big gray! He takes my breath away and always will.

14 May 2010 11:10 AM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

I'm reading rumors that Lucky doesn't look very good right now. Since you are our eyes at Pimlico, would you please comment on his appearance. That would be very helpful. The few small clips I've seen of him did not help me determine whether this is true or not. There's nothing like being there, in person, to assess whether a horse looks drawn or not.

14 May 2010 11:17 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Does anyone know if we're going to have The Racoon Lodge Meetings on Tuesdays? Does Steve dare wear his coonskin cap on his show "And They're Off?" Has anyone seen my jar of Butchwax around here anywhere? Is Joan going to ever clean the 1950's cocoa out of her Hopalong mug? WARNING: Don't sing the Mr Ed song or it could keep you awake at night!!! I think we're out of ice cream so I'm going to walk to the drugstore to get a few quarts. Tutti Fruiti OK? We went into hysterics as kids calling around to see if anyone had watermelon ice cream. You know the kind where you can't stop laughing, you have difficulty breathing, rolling around on the floor, and then you have to use the bathroom. Then a few years later we found out that someone actually did have watermelon ice cream. I remember an argument I had with my friend in about first or second grade. I assured him that a sandwich was pronounced and spelled samwich. I thought he was nuts when he said it was sandwich. I always called it a samwich and my parents didn't correct me.

14 May 2010 11:34 AM
Steve Haskin

Dr. D, keep pursuing your writing. you're too good a writer not to. And you certainly have the flair for it.

Zoo, I like to keep Joan honest and appreciative, so an occasional marriage proposal never hurts. I'm just afraid she might take you up on it. But that wouldnt be worse than her writing a Livin' With Haskin blog. She wouldn't know where to begin and I'm too fragile to hear what she has to say.

14 May 2010 12:30 PM
Steve Haskin

Zoo, I dont mind a horse being a little drawn after the Derby, but he looks good enough. Not as good as Super Saver, which is why I didnt include him in my main trifecta box. But Baffert would not run this horse if he didnt think he looked good enough to win.

14 May 2010 12:38 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve-Thanks again !!!!!!!!!!!

Katherine-A two year old named Dr Drunkinbum would be an honor but probably only you or me would even consider a name like that for a horse. I'm not even sure I would!! "And here comes Dr Drunkinbum bringing up the rear, stumbling across the finish line." I think that is the image it could bring up, and you want a winning image. Then you could have Kid Drunkinbum, Prince Drunkinbum, Queen Drunkinbum, sonofdrunkinbum. Hey, I think you might be on to something there afterall Katherine. I like it. Especially if he could win the new Graded race for 3yo-The Haskin at GP in February. One month before the Florida Derby. "Dr Drunkinbum upsets the field at 55-1 in The Haskin. He shot to the lead, opened up a 15 length lead then stumbled across the finish line for the win." Steve Haskin was there to present the trophy to the connections. What was your secret to success? Steve asked owner Katherine. "Well, I think it was the Guinness in his oats or the Irish Whiskey in his water."

14 May 2010 1:05 PM
Zookeeper

Mr. Haskin,

Your reference to Simon & Garfunkel in your most recent article was almost painful... Oh! for a return to a time where songs had a melody and more than 3 words repeated over & over again. Minstrels, that's what they were! I loved every note and every word. I still do!

You answered my previous question by stating that Lucky "has bounced out of the Derby in excellent shape". So much for blog rumors!

"Too fragile", you say? I seriously doubt it. I've learned to respect the inner strenght of seemingly small packages.

14 May 2010 2:26 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

You certainly aren't stumbling today. I would say that you're on a roll!

Can't wait to hear what name you submitted for SS half brother. It should be a doozie, knowing you. :)

14 May 2010 2:32 PM
Karen2

Very interesting blogging going on here.........it's fun to read. Keep it up my bloodhorse family.

14 May 2010 3:39 PM
Linda in Texas

Fran and Dublin supporters, i just read an article on fox sports, that Wayne Lukas said that after the KD, when Dublin came back in after the race that when they removed the blinkers thing huge blobs of mud fell from both sides of it. In other words, Dublin couldn't see. And that's a quote from Lucas,i say "he was flying blind!!! Didn't he go real wide in the Derby and i wondered where he was headed, the jockey straigtened him out and headed him in the right direction. If it wasn't Dublin, it was one of them.

Sorry to mention the F Sports dot com. I was checking for the NBA next playoff game! Bloodhorse.com carries a lot of things, but not my next favorite sport.

14 May 2010 4:24 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

   I still like the name I submitted, but after I did then I thought of about ten more and wondered if I acted too fast. Anxious to see what happens. I'll tell you what I submitted and why when it's over. It's a simple but meaningful name. I'm rooting for you. This Preakness is tricky. And I still say it's wide open. The true odds of a longshot winning or placing is 4-1. An improving Super Saver probably is the one to beat. One of the favorites could easily falter like Pioneer did last year. Do we really know how much The Derby took out of any that ran in it? No. They can look real good and still not have enough in the tank. Lucky still has the most proven class but I do wonder if the Classic distances are really what he wants. First Dude, Pleasant Prince or Schoolyard are the longshots with the best chance for the win but none would shock me. Any in the field could be in the top 3 or 4 though. Who did Steve say was the jockey on Schoolyard, Julio something? I expect some good payouts. Still, I'd have trouble leaving Lucky and Super out of exotics. Yawanna Twist reminds me of Musket Man. How to bet this race is a doozy.

14 May 2010 5:21 PM
sherpa

Is this Steve's Preakness blog?  I don't see anything more recent from him except Mandy's part 2.

Most likely, my timing is off again - so few of my posts make the cut, I always seem to comment in the middle of a big time gap. <pout>

Anyway, just want to tell Steve that I loved the interview w/Mike Machowsky.  I love all these colts and will again be happy for the winner...but would be just a smidge happier if it happens to be Caracortado.  In that event, I would still be sad for the rest, of course! He's such a smart little fellow and (unlike Slew) I thought his "haircut" was exceptionally cool. :-)  Maybe they've shaved it by now, with the warmer weather...?

Y'know, I just wish Lukas had given Jamie Theriot the ride back on Dublin.  He was, after all, the jock for the Hopeful.  Dublin's a very big horse and JT is big for a jockey, they were a good match.  And now I see an '09 favorite, Blame, is back in action tomorrow - with GoGo in the stirrups - and Theriot rode Blame great last year.  What is the problem, are the trainers/owners so unforgiving because of Arlington ?  I feel bad for Jamie.  

14 May 2010 6:22 PM
Zookeeper

sherpa,

You're in the right place. I'm glad you found your way through the maze. We've been huddled here for quite some time now.

Dr Drunkinbum,

So that's how you spell "dozy". Thanks!

I'm sure you saw the Black Eyed Susan. What a disaster at the back. Could have been a lot worse though. At least it seems both jockeys and horses were OK. I don't quite know what happened. Desormeaux's filly clipped heels? I couldn't see if the filly who was clipped moved over or what.

14 May 2010 7:04 PM
Zookeeper

Just watched the replay. It's Leparoux's filly who clipped heels. I got the two french names mixed up. Boy! So happy nobody got hurt.

My Susan/Preakness double is a dead duck. Acting Happy was not on my ticket. Nice win for her and her connections.

Dr Drunkinbum,

Clever! Julio on Schoolyard Dreams! lol!

14 May 2010 7:30 PM
txhorsefan

So many good posts today while I've been busy and away from the computer, I don't know where to start and would most likely not be able to address them all, so I'll simply say thanks to all of you for keeping it up!  It is so much fun to come here and catch up with the conversation and feel right at home with all of you.

Saw that spill at The Black Eyed Susan today and that was so scary, but I'm happy that so far, everyone appears to have come out of it all right.  It looked like it could have been disastrous.  Makes me nervous for tomorrow because after following all these lovely colts for so long with you, Steve, and the rest of you, I feel an attachment to all of them.  At this point, I know in my heart I'd love to see Super Saver win in order to keep the hopes of a Triple Crown winner alive for a while, but my greatest desire is for all of them to have a safe trip and cross the wire strong and healthy.

Foster Brooks!  Yes, that was the name of the other drunken character back in the funny days of television.  

Linda you can pick me up in north TX when you're one the way to the reunion - I make great sweet tea!

I'm still working on my name for Supercharger's new colt, but I need to get it figured out and posted over there before the deadline.  Best of luck to everyone!

Sherpa, glad you made it and I liked Caracortado's cool cut, too.  It's very unusual.

14 May 2010 9:22 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

   Of course it would have to be Desormeux again trying to ruin things for me, trying to take out my jockey.  I don't know yet if Leparoux is OK and able to ride my Pleasant Prince tomorrow. Knowing my luck with Desormeux this year Leparoux will be off the mount. If he's on the mount I hope that he's OK, and it won't effect him.  I guess it wasn't Desormeux's fault but it sure is amazing it was him AGAIN.  Good Luck with The Preakness and contest. If Pleasant Prince is first or second I'll do OK. If not then I have some others in an exacta box that might pick up the slack. I didn't use Paddy so no doubt that he'll win.

14 May 2010 10:20 PM
sherpa

Zookeeper, sorry about your double but WOW, I would say Acting Happy has a lot of potential!  She's looks to be a sweet goer & likes a distance. The Alabama should suit her to a T.

Glad the fillies & riders apparently weren't seriously hurt (pending updates?), but wonder if Julien will be able to ride Dr. D's Pleasant Prince tomorrow?  He seemed to be pretty shaken up.  

14 May 2010 10:24 PM
Slew

Blackeyed Susan...my horse went down.  They say she's ok.  Glad the jockeys are ok.

Preakness...my longshot play is becoming everyone else's favorite...darn...because it's First Dude.  SS...First Dude...LAL.

Dr. D. ..didn't enter the contest...but since it's by Medaglia D'Oro, and we don't know if it's a colt or filly...anyone is welcome to...Golden Child....or Golden Rod since the Dam is Supercharger.  (Oh yeah..used to love those home-made hot rods on the drag strip...another 50's memory)Anyone remember Stock car races when they really were

"stock" cars, street ready but super-charged and legal?

15 May 2010 7:24 AM
Katherine

Linda in Texas and Fran

Linda in Texas thank you for your post about Dublin. I paid a visit to that "place" you referred to in your post. DWL's quote was in a piece handicapping the Preakness. Following in an excerpt: DUBLIN: He ran a deceptively good race in the Derby. Breaking from post 17, he was squeezed in the early going, dropped back to 15th, made a sustained run into contention down the backside, then circled the field with an eye-catching rally on the far turn to finish seventh. And he did it all blind.

"When we took off his blinkers, big gobs of mud dropped out," said his Hall-of-Fame trainer, D. Wayne Lukas. "He couldn't see."

What courage and heart my boy has. This is the kind of nightmare trip Dublin as been having on the Derby trail. But one day, maybe today, my boy is going to show what he can do.

15 May 2010 7:55 AM
sherpa

Preakness Day!  Geez, the 2 weeks since the Derby sure went by fast! This is going to be such a good race, no matter who wins...all are so talented and seem very well-matched.  Run your best, young fellows, and come home safe!

Any word on Leparoux (will he be ok to ride today)?

15 May 2010 9:42 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Sherpa

  Come in. Welcome. Vittles are on the stove. Fix urself some grub. Once you've had your beans you can bed down in the barn. Plenty of hay. You must be plum worn out after that trip. I'll tend to ur horse.

15 May 2010 9:46 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Slew

  Speaking of stocks cars. Desormeux thinks it's Demolition Derby time beginning with The Derby. Leparoux better be one tough cookie, or should I say one tough croissant. Is he tough Zookeeper? He has 8 mounts. We know he broke a tooth and his chest is sore but there is probably more pain to deal with too.

15 May 2010 10:23 AM
Zookeeper

WinStar has extended contest deadline until Tuesday Noon ET! Didn't they like any of the names we submitted?

15 May 2010 1:44 PM
Zookeeper

Dr Drunkinbum,

Actually, Desormeaux wasn't to blame in this one. He was the innocent victim in the Susan. Glad everybody is ok.

Waiting for Preakness. Very surprised no ESPN coverage at all today. Thank goodness I have HRTV now. Had to fire my cable co. They would not offer HRTV, only TVG no matter how much I bugged them for it. Went with Verizon FIOS. They carry both. Happy with it.

Big win by Comedero in 6th @ Pimlico today. Big sprint star rising!

15 May 2010 1:59 PM
Linda in Texas

txhorsefan- would be my pleasure to pick you up and anyone else -

Some northerners from Dallas on up probably don't know much about sweet tea,and that we Texans actually invented it!!!

Katherine - your welcome. I knew it was muddy but never thought that much mud would collect. Dublin had to trust his rider for sure.

First Dude is huge, power and stamina is needed today, with a smaller group running on a fast track there should be plenty of room for the fastest to get to the wire first without being impeded.

Do hope Diva Delight is okay, was watching her parade to the gate and momentarily thought i was watching Ruffian again. She is dark and built like Ruffian and carried her head the same way.

I am pulling for all of the great guys today and just want them back in their stalls sound.

Good Luck Owners,Horses,Jockeys and Fellow Haskin Follower's.

If SS wins, we all win, that means on to the third race, if another horse wins it will be one someone wanted to win! So there won't be any losers, really!!

15 May 2010 4:34 PM
Zookeeper

For the first time, I've won big today. At least it's big for me. I had a $2 Exacta 7/8 with 2,6,7,8,11 and a $1 Trifecta 7/8,7/8/11,All. I can't believe it!

Sorry to see SS lose though. No TC winner again.

Lookin at Lucky finally gets a great trip. Very happy for him and his connections. He showed us what he's capable of. Bravo L@L!!!

First Dude very impressive. When I saw him on the lead like that, I thought he would be cooked at the end. A force to be reckoned with.

Jackson Bend, the little horse that could, did it again. He has a big place in my heart. How can you not love a horse that gives 100% at all times.

The bad luck followed Gomez all the way to Dublin's back. Too bad for both horse and jockey. Maybe Dublin is not quite ready yet. We'll see later in the year.

15 May 2010 7:35 PM
Slew

WOW! Great Race.  Sorry to see another Triple Crown down the tubes.  First Dude was really awesome.  Finally, LAL gets lucky and runs great.  Kudos to scrappy-do JacKson Bend; I didn't have faith in his distance...I should have known better.

I've decided we need an imaginary match race.  Close your eyes...oh wait until I'm done..and imagine Belmont...2 gates...2 horses...one is Dublin; the other is 85ina50.  We'll call it:

"The Loco Dos Equis Stakes.".    Which horse makes it to Hoboken first?

Have to admit, Dublin did recover well from that attempt to run back to Kentucky.  And Bob Baffert's rider change was Vindicated.

15 May 2010 8:29 PM
Slew

I meant to add...thank you NBC.  Now, you have the right idea...it's all about the horse.  Absolutely great coverage this time.

15 May 2010 8:39 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

  I know, that's what I said-they don't like our names. They should let us do another entry if they're going to extend it.  Jackson Bend, a horse I was worried about beat me out of the Trifecta. My Tri and ex was super saver, lucky, Dude, PP, and Yawanna Twist. Two stunk, three ran good. Got the ex but really wanted that Trifecta. I still lost because I had some other bets on PP. Jackson was tough. I thought Twist would get him. By the time I realized that First Dude was the pick it was too late. I had already put too much on PP. That Dude is something else and should go to Belmont. Super looked really good pre race. No excuses. Lucky showed his class. With Gomez he would have been in trouble. Garcia is Bafferts go to from now on.

15 May 2010 9:42 PM
txhorsefan

Whew!  The tension is over and while I'm disappointed that Super Saver isn't going to win the Triple Crown, Lookin At Lucky finally got a good trip, fought hard and won - wow!  If Super Saver had won today, it would have put so much pressure on for the Belmont and I don't know if I could have taken it - lol!  Feel bad for Dublin going so wide at the break, but I'm glad they all crossed the wire safely.  

Slew, with your talking about stock cars I came up with another name for Super Saver's half brother.  Wonder if they will allow you to enter two names?

15 May 2010 9:48 PM
Zookeeper

After the disastrous start for Dublin, I didn't pay anymore attention to him. What a surprise when I saw that he came in 5th. I think he did very well, considering the "exit stage right" he attempted when the gates opened.

Dr Drunkinbum,

Sorry your Tri didn't pan out. I've been there myself so many times, I know how that feels. I would never have put First Dude in the 2nd spot if Jason hadn't been so confident about him. Boy! Am I glad I listened. It took me a few seconds after the race to realize that I had won like never before and probably never again.

15 May 2010 10:32 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeeper

   Congrats !!!!! That's a nice win. We were almost twins again. It's just that I wasn't smart enough to do an all for third. Jackson Bend has a ton of class. He looked good pre-race so I already felt bad leaving him out. Best looking pre-race was First Dude, Yawanna Twist, Super Saver, Jackson Bend, Paddy O Prado.  I assume Dublin is going to Belmont. Paddy could. First Dude should. I doubt if anyone else will. The way Super looked pre-race I thought he'd be in there, in the top three. Put some money away for SA !!!!! There's nothing like live !!!! Good job. I'll be playing Belmont since I got some money back from the exacta. Otherwise I was going to take a break. This time I'm not betting ahead of time. I've been losing with blind bets and winning when I see the horses. Maybe I'll see a Da Tara. (I hope Setsuko looks like Da Tara did)  Congratulations Zookeeper Dude.

15 May 2010 11:03 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve-Hope you had a good time at Pimlico. Looking forward to your next article. Lucky 7. And 7-11. You were right about Dude. That is one impressive looking animal, and can run like the wind. Jackson Bend is going to win some races. A lot of class. Time to give him a break and regroup.

15 May 2010 11:13 PM
sherpa

Dr. D - thanks for the offer at 9:46 AM.  It has indeed been a long journey but I always look after my horse myself. I'll feed and water her before I take you up on the victuals, then gladly bed down with her in the barn. ;-)

Well, Lookin at Luck(y) finally saw some!  Good race.  Too bad SS folded - and I didn't expect him to do that - but that's horse racing I guess.  Wish my Caracortado could've held on a bit longer...thought he made a good effort.  I know MM wanted Paul to send him, but he seems to do better laying back a bit.

First Dude was REAL impressive.  Had a feeling he would be.  And what about that Jackson Bend?  Everyone knows he's full of heart but his ability to go a distance was much in question.  Guess that's been answered. He belongs.

ZK - glad your bets panned out so nicely!  Well done!

15 May 2010 11:15 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

We all begged Calvin not to make anymore predictions. It's not him. We want the humble Calvin back.

16 May 2010 12:00 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Well at least I didn't lose a photo and Kent D didn't get me. The worm has turned.  It's going to be a good Belmont. Now back to reality. Beaver had an Uncle Billy that told tall tales and Beaver's favorite teddy bear was named Billy. That's true isn't it children. Yes, Miss Landers. I really liked First Dude, but also had an obsession with Pleasant Prince. I really liked Lucky and not Super but then started liking Super more. I'm a Setsuko fan but I'm not going to think it's his destiny to win The Belmont like I did with Pleasant Prince in THe Preakness. Open mind all the way to the post parade. Close but no cigar in The Preakness. I should have paid closer attention to Jackson Bend's class, and waited for the post parade. The Derby threw me off because I couldn't even get my final bets in because they had too much traffic. Back to basics. Study the pps, see the horses and make my bets. This was a good race to key a few on top with all in 3rd like Zookeeper did. Don't think it can't happen again Zookeeper. You might be starting a hot streak. I hit 3 Tri's like that last year in a month.  Good luck to all in The Belmont and don't forget to keep Steve happy (and all of us ) with 50's TV comments. Baby, you're the greatest.

16 May 2010 4:36 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

The Trifecta, Sat, 5-15 at HP, 7th race paid 78k for a $1 tri. The $1 Super was less-76k.

16 May 2010 4:51 AM
Slew

Tx: When someone says supercharger, I don't think of credit cards, I think of Ram Inducted engines, and Shelby's Cobra with a McLellan 6 deuce set up.  

Did anyone else notice...First Dude's knobby knees like his great  grandsire Seattle Slew?  He's a visual treat.  What a fantastic run he made.  Think how big he'll be by 4 (Rock Hard Ten was 17-3).  Wonder if he'll go into the Belmont?  He's bred to make 12f, along with Stately Victor and Ice Box.  I sure would like to see another Triple Crown winner before I bite the dust.  I thought I was going to have one with Vindication.  

16 May 2010 8:32 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Zookeep

  Are you going to post your Belmont wagering strategy on THIS POST, or whatever blog HASKIN has? You were our top student in kindergarten, our best sharer so I hope you will. Please.

16 May 2010 9:30 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Belmont Probables-

First Dude

Fly Down

Game On Dude

Setsuko

Stately Victor

Ice Box

Uptowncharlybrown

16 May 2010 9:43 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Baffert on Lucky's training between The Derby and Preakness: "He's training better than he's ever trained before. We just kept it real quiet."

16 May 2010 9:49 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

UPDATE-Belmont Probables/Possibles:

Devil May Care

Drosselmeyer

Dublin

First Dude

Fly Down

Game On Dude

Ice Box

Make Music For Me

New Madrid

Setsuko

Stately Victor

Stay Put

Uptowncharlybrown

16 May 2010 11:15 AM
Zookeeper

This was my first year of being truly involved in the TC races. I have these blogs to thank for it. The diverse comments made me realize that just about every horse in the Preakness was worth a long look. That's what made me hit the ALL button for 3rd. I really believed that the two first finishers would be SS & L@L and that the 3rd spot was wide open. My normal bet would have been for those two plus a couple of others in a Tri Box. If not for Jason, I would not have included FD in the equation and would have come up empty AGAIN.

As difficult as the Tri is to hit the Super is even harder to decipher without the ALL button. Yawanna Twist was as big a surprise (to me) coming in 4th as First Dude was hanging in for 2nd. I am not willing to bet as much money as it would have taken for me to hit the Super. The $40. I invested in the Tri was reasonable enough for me to place the bet. The reward was far more than I expected.

Now let's see if I can repeat this in the Belmont!!! At this point I would venture to say that my chances are SLIM to NONE.

16 May 2010 11:44 AM
Tim G

Figured Dublin was cooked when he drew the 12. Despite what Jason says, the fence was 10ft closer to the gate than it is at CD.

Someone said he doesn't have heart? Anyone question that heart now?  I guess before the Derby Wayne could have made the biggest equipment change of all but just too nice of a horse who should come into his own.

Look how many lengths he made up on  a hot pace. Everyone keeps talking about Lucky's bad luck, I'd say Dublin has had just as bad or worse luck.

16 May 2010 9:03 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Tim G

   Yep, Dublin has heart and it looks like he'll be a good one. Same with Jackson, and Lucky. Probably Yawanna too.

Zookeeper

   I'm going on sabbatical. Whenever I do I come back and win some good ones. I need a betting break. Nothing wrong with Trifectas and they're a lot easier to hit than supers. Did you see that 76k?

Slew-First Dude is something else and he's going to The Belmont. I'm the same as you. I want to see a Triple Crown before I bite the dust. I thought we had one until Esky got hurt. What a disappointment that was. Now I have to eat right for another year at least.

17 May 2010 1:40 AM
Slew

My problem with the Belmont is there are 5 horses I really, really like.  Narrowing it down to 3 will be tough.  I guess I'll have to watch the works closely. At this point in time, however, I'm back with Stately Victor, Ice Box, First Dude and Fly Down.  The fifth is a sentimental choice since I thinks he's still a bit immature and tends to run green.  But having been devoted to Rock Hard Ten, I have to consider New Madrid.  Things could change in the next 3 weeks...but that's who I like so far.  12f is a long way to go...so is 3 weeks.  So far in the TC, I'm batting .666.  This could be a devilishly wicked race.

Tim G....never any question about Dublin's heart...just his maturity.  He's a very big rascal.  I like feistiness in a colt, but Dublin, 85ina50, and New Madrid all tend to take the scenic route instead of a straight line in a race.  Maybe they overdid the Guinness...or mixed loco weed in the hay.  Some horses don't really mature until 4, like RH10 and Cigar.

17 May 2010 8:10 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

Who was the picture of behind Miss Landers (Sue Randall) in the classroom?

17 May 2010 5:51 PM
Katherined

Tim G

I saw  the bad break from a terrible post position and then how much ground he lost. My heart sank for him. I couldn't believe it when I saw him swinging out and running hard and how much ground he made up from last place! Well, actually I could, he has done it all year.

I have liked Dublin since last year.  The bad luck he has had all this year has been driving me crazy. I hope he gets a chance in the Belmont. I think Dublin is far more talented than he is given credit for. He always tries so hard.  

17 May 2010 8:23 PM
txhorsefan

Slew, I was thinking of something supercharged like a Hemi, not a shopping spree - lol!  

Zookeeper - yes, you need to share your strategy, although I'm not much of a bettor.  Congratulations on your winning!

Dr. D - it'll be very interesting to see Setsuko and Ice Box in the Belmont.  Several sites were commenting that the Belmont wasn't going to have much interest this year because the Derby and Preakness winners weren't going, but I still think it will be quite a race and what a great summer and fall we're going to see once some of these colts get a needed rest.

Tim - I agree with Dublin's lack of luck and his heart has carried him through.  He's kept on trying.  He's going to back to winning at some point.

17 May 2010 10:01 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

txhorsefan

  This is the most interesting of the 3 races to me. There are a lot of horses I like, and some are growing on me like Dublin. Lukas has said all along that he's a really good one. I guess Linda in Texas is hauling the BBQ pits, getting a head start. I think we're all meeting at Steve's house for a big hoedown, humdinger of a BBQ. Then we're all going to be on And They're Off. We just don't know what year it will be.

Slew-I like your four top picks. They are on the fence with Setsuko. The poor guy hasn't even run on dirt yet and that should be his favorite. Dublin ran great in The Preakness. I though his goose was cooked.

18 May 2010 10:02 AM
Slew

Dr D...Belmont in just 3 weeks...you can't take a break now...you'll take away our smiles and giggles.

18 May 2010 10:13 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

It's Tuesday So This Must Be Belgium. Where is everybody?

18 May 2010 10:21 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

I think Eskendereya was an amazing talent and we really missed out. I believe he'd have won the Derby by 3-5 lengths and the Preakness by 5-9 lengths and be going for the Triple Crown. I hope he's doing well and has a great new career producing Triple Crown hopefuls. If NY loses racing just move The Belmont Stakes to Monmouth.

18 May 2010 10:47 AM

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