Countdown to the Cup: A Classic Pick 3

It is safe to say that never before have three consecutive graded stakes on a single card – at a mile, 1 1/8 miles for fillies and mares, and 1 ¼ miles – produced the three favorites for the Breeders’ Cup Classic.

Beginning with Uncle Mo’s brilliant victory in the Kelso Handicap (gr. II) and continuing with Havre de Grace’s Beldame Stakes (gr. I) romp and Flat Out’s dominating score in the Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I), it was if one layer at a time was being stripped away to reveal a potentially new Classic favorite.  

The remarkable turn of events of Oct. 1 concluded with Flat Out’s victory in the Gold Cup, in which he established himself as a true mile and a quarter horse, something the other Classic contenders have failed to do. That left Flat Out’s trainer Charles “Scooter” Dicky feeling good about his chances at Churchill Downs Nov. 5.

“They’ll make the mare the favorite,” Dickey said after the Gold Cup. “I’m glad to have the extra eighth of a mile. I’ll see if I can catch her. I think I can. I was slowly getting to her (in the Woodward).”

For the 70-year-old Dickey and his wife of 48 years, Dana, this was the pinnacle of a career that is defined by hard work and little glory on the national stage. That is why when he was interviewed by ESPN following the race he was unable to get a single word out and had to walk away until a later time when he was more composed.

Dana was equally emotional and couldn’t control the tears welling in her eyes.

“We don’t normally get this emotional,” she said. “We’ve never won a race like this before. He couldn’t even talk. I can barely talk now. I’m just so happy for Scooter. This is a once in a lifetime experience. I’ve never been this excited in my whole life. I mean Scooter has worked his entire life for this; it means everything to him. It gives all the guys hope who think they don’t have hope. I know, because we didn’t think we had hope either. But we do. Faith in God gets you there.”

Dickey, a former rider at Sunshine Park in Florida, among other tracks, started training in 1963 at Centennial Park in Colorado.

“Everyone back home in Anthony, Kansas, a town of 2,800 people, follows me,” Dickey said. “All my classmates know I was running today and they were all watching. They have a little half-mile track there. That’s where I learned how to ride at age 12. Back then there were 53 racetracks in Kansas and I’d hitchhike to a lot of them.”

In Flat Out, Dickey has found his once-in-a lifetime horse that could carry him to glory and riches he could only dream about.

“This is my first grade 1 win; you wouldn’t believe how big this is,” said Dickey, who three months ago won his first graded stakes after 48 years of training when Flat Out won Belmont’s grade 2 Suburban Handicap by 6 ½ lengths on July 2. “It’s tremendous. It’s hard to fathom, but I like it.”

It’s also been a long time between stakes victories for owner Art Preston, who operated Prestonwood Farm with his brothers Jack and J.R., but dispersed the horses after the death of J.R.

“We had a shutdown for a few years,” Preston said. “We sold our farm after our brother died. That caused us to have to do some estate planning. We’re back racing now; no breeding anymore. We have about 30 horses in training, including 10 2-year-olds.”

It’s been a long, frustrating road with Flat Out, who looked to have a bright future at 3, but came down with a series of physical ailments that sidelined him for 20 months.

“We got discouraged by the problems he had, but we thought they were fixable,” said Preston whose top horses with Prestonwood include Victory Gallop, Da Hoss, and Ermine. “He had a shoulder problem and then had a series of quarter cracks starting in the Southwest Stakes (gr. III). “We tried to patch it and ran him in the Arkansas Derby and he didn’t run well, so we gave him time off. When he came back and won his first race going away, a good allowance race that was pretty amazing that after a year he could do something like that. That’s when we knew we had something pretty special.

“He’s an unusual horse. I’ve never had a horse like him. He’s got what Tesio called morale. That was his description of what we’re all looking for, but can never find. You have to get lucky. This is a horse you can race every week if you wanted. He loves it. He comes back after a race and cleans up all his grain. He has an amazing constitution.”

Flat Out, a big, raw-boned individual who made an excellent appearance in the paddock, once again showed his affinity for Belmont Park, making his move on the far turn, taking over at the quarter pole, and drawing clear under Alex Solis to defeat last year’s Belmont Stakes (gr. I) winner Drosselmeyer and this year’s Belmont runner-up and Travers and Jim Dandy winner, Stay Thirsty. The 6-5 favorite over Flat Out, who was sent off at 7-5, lost his position on the turn, but swung to the outside and launched his bid. He was unable to match strides with Flat Out, however, and was just nailed near the wire for second by Drosselmeyer.

Flat Out, who shipped in from Monmouth Park the morning of the race, covered the 10 furlongs over a sealed muddy track in 2:03.17.

Although this was not the strongest Gold Cup field, and they didn’t come very fast, the track looked as if it was getting a bit deeper as the day went on, and from a visual standpoint, it is difficult to find any flaws in Flat Out’s performance.

Stay Thirsty had a strange trip, losing his position on the turn and then swinging wide to launch his bid. But that is not his style of running. As a one-paced grinder, he needed to be head and head with Flat Out at the quarter pole or in front of him and then try to outstay him down the stretch rather than try to catch him. He doesn’t have the kick to do that and was basically taken out of his game.

Drosselmeyer ran a good race to get up for second and could go for either the Classic or the Marathon. The main question with him is whether he’s fast enough and shifty enough to handle top-quality horses going 10 furlongs at Churchill Downs as opposed to Belmont Park.

Havre Gun Will Travel

Havre de Grace’s trainer, Larry Jones, admitted he was concerned about the track condition for the Beldame Stakes, but the daughter of Saint Liam – Easter Bunnette, by Carson City, showed once again there is little she can’t handle, as she continues to steamroll her way to the Breeders’ Cup, likely the Classic.

Facing only four opponents, including the Alabama (gr. I) winner Royal Delta and last year’s Beldame winner Life At Ten, who was trying to regain her 2010 form, Havre de Grace, racing over her sixth different racetrack, showed her dominance by cruising to an 8 ¼-length victory over Royal Delta.

She rated beautifully behind solid fractions of :46.71 and 1:10. 69 before taking over with ease at the five-sixteenths pole and drawing off with ease under Ramon Dominguez to complete the 1 1/8 miles in 1:49.39.

Jones pulled no punches after the race, saying Havre de Grace likely will run in the Classic.

“I’m sure we’ll go for the Classic,” he said. “Uncle Mo looked very impressive (in the Kelso) and he should make it very interesting. As of right now I’d have to say that’s where she’ll run. She and I are still learning about each other. I’m still trying to dot every ‘I’ and cross every ‘T’. I think she’s got me trained. She’s dead fit, and we don’t have to do anything to get her ready; she’s already ready. I don’t think we had to ask her for her best. Ramon was wrapped up the last eighth. We’ve got five weeks to recoup. I got eight ponies. If I have to pony her into the race, I can get it done.”

Owner Rick Porter, who has stated already they want to run Havre de Grace in the Classic, didn’t seem quite as emphatic about it after watching Uncle Mo’s performance.

“Did Larry really say she was running in the Classic?” Porter said. “Well, he and I will have to talk that over. But there is a good chance we’ll go there. Uncle Mo was awfully impressive. Originally I planning on watching Tizway in the Gold Cup, but Uncle Mo was a lot to watch., I just don’t know whether he can go a mile and a quarter. He looked like he could get anything today. It sounds like Larry has already made a decision. If he says we’re going he’ll probably be able to talk me into it. He’s pretty persuasive with that cowboy hat on. I really think we’ll enter in both races and see the post positions.”

What makes Havre de Grace so special is her brilliant cruising speed and ability to dictate her own race and not be dependant on pace. She also happens to be improving at an alarming (to her opponents) rate, and there’s no telling what she’ll be capable of at Churchill Downs.

Mo on the go

Even with five grade I stakes on the Oct. 1 card, it was the grade II Kelso that had everyone abuzz after Uncle Mo put on a dazzling display of speed to win by three lengths in a blazing 1:33.82 over the sticky, muddy surface. And he did it by setting all the pace, turning in a :22.56 second quarter and then turning back the serious challenge of the 4-year-old Jackson Bend, winner of the recent Forego (gr. I) at Saratoga.

Bred in Kentucky by D. Michael Cavey, the son of Indian Charlie – Playa Maya, by Arch came home his final quarter in a sharp :24.48, which is very impressive for a horse setting all the pace. But that is Uncle Mo’s strength – the ability to cut out rapid fractions and still come home fast – as he did in the Champagne.

And credit must be given to Todd Pletcher for having Uncle Mo looking spectacular in the paddock. You won’t see a better looking or more finely tuned horse. It is not an exaggeration to say you couldn’t take your eyes off him.

Uncle Mo’s performance even impressed owner Mike Repole, who believes the colt can walk on water (he may be right).

“When Jackson Bend came through on the rail, I was thinking are we going to lose by five or are we going to lose by 10?” Repole said. “But Johnny found another gear. That’s what makes this horse so special. He’s not only brilliant, he’s not only fast, but he’s got the mind to go with it.  He’s back. As an owner you always want to do the right thing by your horse. That’s why in May when he was losing weight I was thinking maybe it’s the right time to retire the horse. Getting him back in the winners circle is such a great feeling. It’s really special.”

Now it’s on to Classic, where Uncle Mo will run as an entry with Stay Thirsty.

“I love the Classic,” Repole said. “I grew up watching the Classic. In my opinion, if you run Uncle Mo in the Sprint (gr. I), he’s the favorite. If you run him in the Dirt Mile (gr. I) he’s the favorite. If you run him in the Classic he’s probably going to be the favorite. I want to run in the Classic. Some people say I already have Stay Thirsty in the Classic. But if Mo was to run in the Dirt Mile and win by eight and Stay Thirsty is third in the Classic, it would be a decision I’d regret the rest of my life. So why not take two shots at a race everybody would love to win.”

Although he’s not proven at 1 1/4 miles, and some have question marks about his ability to get the distance, he has shown no indication he can’t, and there’s no reason why he couldn’t pull a Ghostzapper and just keep going, especially if his opponents have those same question marks about him.

Uncle Mo, Havre de Grace, and Flat Out in approximately an hour’s time formed a strong nucleus for the Classic. These are three totally different types of horses who are all coming up to the Classic in excellent form.

You probably have to add Game On Dude after another of his gutsy performances winning the Goodwood (gr. I). This is one horse you do not want to hook at any point in the race. He loves to battle and never backs down from a fight. And his two best Beyer figures going into the Goodwood were at 1 ¼ miles, so he can carry the fight a long way. And of course there is Tizway, who is still very much in the Horse of the Year picture if he can handle the 1 1/4 miles and overcome a three-month layoff.

And what can you say about the 8-year-old warrior Awesome Gem, who has no idea he’s 8-years-old? He turned in one his strongest stretch runs of his career in the Goodwood, flying home in :12 flat and falling just a half-length short of Game On Dude. This was a good as he’s looked since his victory in last year’s Hollywood Gold Cup (gr. I).

Finally, don't forget about So You Think, who is not an Arc type of horse, preferring 1 1/4 miles, but sliced his way through the majority of the field from the back of the pack to finish a good fourth, narrowly beaten for second. And that is not the way he wants ro run. If he runs in the Classic, he definitely is a serious contender if he handles the dirt.

Superman’s Cape

Regardless of what happens in the Breeders’ Cup Turf (gr. I), how can anyone deny Cape Blanco the Eclipse Award for Male Turf Horse? It’s just too bad he won’t be able to be there.

By scoring a gutsy nose victory in the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational (gr. IT), the son of Galileo – Laurel Delight, by Presidium, owned by Mrs. Fitri Hay and Coolmore’s Derrick Smith, Michael Tabor, and Mrs. John Magnier, has now made an unprecedented three consecutive transatlantic flights from Ireland to win three grade I stakes for trainer Aidan O’Brien. His other victories came in the Man o’ War Stakes and Arlington Million. And he won the Turf Classic despite an injury, which forced his retirement.

Of course, Acclamation boasts championship credentials heading into the BC Turf after another big score in the Clement Hirsch Handicap (gr. IIT), but he still hasn’t achieved what Cape Blanco has. A victory in the BC Turf certainly would get him votes. And Clement Hirsch runner-up Champ Pegasus should be tough again, having run huge at Churchill Downs last year.

Bred in Ireland by Jack Ronan and Des Vere Hunt Farm Co, Cape Blanco had to call on all his reserve over a deep yielding turf course to turn back the late challenge of Dean’s Kitten.

“Oh, man, he’s some tough horse, isn t he?” said Coolmore Charlie O’Connor. “There not much tougher than him around.”

Jockey Jamie Spencer agreed. “The ground was totally against the horse,” he said. “It’s just because he’s such a good horse and has such a big heart. That’s the reason he won today. The ground was kicking up; it was a horrible surface, and he hadn’t run in seven weeks. He gets his head down low and gives a hundred percent.”

Despite all his traveling, running over ground he disliked, and suffering an injury, he still turned in one of the gamest performances of the year. The fact that he didn’t change leads down the stretch showed he won on guts alone. Start engraving the Eclipse Award already. He deserves it.

In other Breeders’ Cup preps

There were too many races over the weekend to mention all of them, so we’ll hold off on some of them until next week.

The BC Ladies Classic (gr. I) is now a totally wide-open race with the shocking performance of Blind Luck in the Lady’s Secret. It is apparent she was beaten before she entered the starting gate. It is hoped at some point we find out what was ailing her – physically or mentally.

First it was Turbulent Decent who was considered the leader of the 3-year-old filly division, then it was Plum Pretty, then it was Zazu and It’s Tricky, then it was Royal Delta, and now it’s either Plum Pretty again or Zazu again. That alone should make the Ladies’ Classic an intriguing race.

Flower Bowl (gr. IT) winner Stacelita proved she is as a good a turf filly as we have in this country, and demonstrated just how strong the European fillies and mares are, as indicated by the girl’s 1,2,3 finish in the Arc de Triomphe.

Although he went off at 12-1 in the Vosburgh Invitational (gr. I), and was no doubt aided by Euroears’ horrible start, costing him all chance, let’s not forget that the winner, Giant Ryan, has now won six in a row.

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PomDeTerre

Despite the buzz about Uncle Mo, after watching the King's Bishop & the Kelso, I will put down odds of 99-1 that Mo does NOT run the BCC.  He has proven in those 2 races that he is the ultimate miler.  That's his distance, just like Rule, Jackson Bend and others.  He is not a Classic horse & Repole would be making a huge mistake to take him to that level.  Besides which, Repole has his classic horse in Stay Thirsty.  This man's ego is so huge- do you really think that he will pit his 2 best 3 yr olds against each other for 1 trophy when he can try to take both races?  Simply won't happen.  The man's ego gratification, if nothing else, will simply not allow it.

04 Oct 2011 2:04 PM
Carlos in Cali

I thought UM's Wood Memorial proved he would have trouble getting 10f. He made his breakaway move coming into the stretch,but shortened stride and was passed by horses with a better route pedigree.It was a long way back to the 4th place horse,so I think he ran his race.

Correct me if I'm wrong,but I'm pretty sure Pletcher and Repole stated the day before and the day of the Wood that he was training as good or better than he was going into last yr's BCJ?.. no mention of him losing weight or anything abnormal about his training/physical well being prior to the loss.Fantastic horse,I just think he's not a 9-10f horse like 99.99% of the Indian Charlies.

04 Oct 2011 2:48 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Sheer joy reading this mezmerizing piece of artistic and insightful journalistic tour de force of racedom. It is a 100% certainty that Uncle Mo is not just a miler. He is not Quality Road who was fried mentally running the longer distances going into last year's Classic. Mo runs with enthusiasm every time, even nearly winning at 9f in The Wood when he was clearly sick as a dog. I expect him to sit back in The Classic and explode the last half mile. I do not know the winner. I think The Man From Uncle Mo, Havre Gun Will Travel, Flat Out, and Tizway all could win, and others are possible also. At this point I think Flat Out is my top rooting interest and Tizway is my second rooting interest. We could be in for a monster race. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of the greatest two year olds of all time put on a dazzling winning performance but I love Flat Out and the entire story with him and his connections. Mo is making a great comeback but Flat Out's and Scooter's comeback is even bigger. How many horses can do what he has this year after being sidelined for twenty months? Scooter Dickey just got his first Grade One !!! If you wanted to know how to make a grown man cry, now you know. His story with Flat Out is why we love racing so much. Despite what Mo has been through, it still feels like he is the champion and the others are out to take his crown. His Kelso was beautiful, a sight to behold. How can you doubt that he could have run another quarter of a mile in under 26 seconds for an under 2 minute 10f? He was cruising until Jackson came up to challenge and then he started running and easily kicked away with little effort. Extremely talented and all he needs is the distance training the next month. It would be a shocker if he doesn't run strong in the Classic. Don't even try to tell me that this isn't a strong group. Havre has already run a 2:01 and change 10f with it taking absolutely nothing out of her. Flat Out won the JCGC at 10f in the mud and won at 9f in 1:46 and change. And Tizway was considered the favorite for The Classic prior to coming down with a fever and the strong performances of others last weekend. And there are others.

04 Oct 2011 3:37 PM
Rachel NH

Just wondering why Cape Blanco's 3 Grade 1's make him such a lock compared to Acclamation's 3 grade 1's plus 2 more grade 2 stakes wins?

04 Oct 2011 3:44 PM
Bill Two

While I agree with your conclusions I just wonder how much the surface influenced results at Belmont on Saturday. Uncle Mo is bred to be not only a superior miler, but a superior mudder as well. Still don't know what he'll do at a mile and a quarter, but we do know he likes Churchill.  Very tough read here. I have no doubts about Havre de Grace. She won't be outclassed in the Classic and will run on any surface or so it seems. A mile and a quarter is the question with her.  It's not that she cannot get the distance - she only missed by a nose in the Delaware Handicap to Blind Luck - it's just that some others - like Flat Out - may just be even better at negotiating the distance. I really don't know what to make of the sprinters since the race was marred by the poor start. Some of the horses may also have not cared for the sealed, muddy surface. Churchill is a very different surface than Belmont as we all know so when handicapping the BC races I always give extra credit to those who have demonstrated a fondness for the track.  More and more I find it's horses for courses, so Uncle Mo definitely gets some extra points on that basis.

04 Oct 2011 3:57 PM
carlas

Would love to see Mo run he ran well at Churchill as a 2yr old he likes the track so I think he will win in style or he could regress and as some think not in the money but I would love to see him win saw him his 1st race in Saratoga and said there is my Derby horse unfortunately he didn't make the derby so maybe this time around he will at least run at Churchill

04 Oct 2011 5:28 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Great analysis of the weekend's races Steve, so many races to digest.  I think the Classic looks good for Uncle Mo, Havre de Grace, Game On Dude, Tizway.  Despite his JCGC performance, I am not 100% sold on Flat Out.  If Mo can fly through the Belmont mud we know what he can do at Churchill.  I cannot see Stay Thirsty transitioning well at Churchill.  I think Mo and Havre exhibit the best "versatility factor" and can accomplish the distance in the BCC as well as take a liking to the track.  We could see some stretch duel between these two, she's got speed and we know Mo will be coming home fast.  And if Game On Dude brings his "A" game and Tizway excels off the layoff we've got ourselves a great BCC shaping up.  

04 Oct 2011 6:25 PM
Steve Haskin

Rachel, Acclamation could very well get the Eclipse if he wins the BC Turf, but to set things straight, he's won two grade Is on turf, not three. The other was on Polytrack. Traveling across the Atlantic three times and winning three three consecutive grade I's is a bit more impressive than walking over from your own barn every race. And compare the horses each horse beat and see who defeated more accomplished horses. I'm just saying what Cape Blanco did has never been done before.

04 Oct 2011 6:41 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Steve,

What exactly did Larry Jones mean about 5 weeks to recoup and 8 ponies to pony her in if he had to?  Not clear on that.  She came out of it well so yeah 5 weeks to rest up but I don't get what he meant by the pony thing?

It would be huge if a filly won the BCC again and it is a Larry Jones trained filly at that, great vindication for Larry for what he had to endure after Eight Belles.  He is in my top favorite trainer group.  But........Mo looms large, looks about the best specimen physically now, and so far is my top pick for the BCC.  Both parties need redemption and vindication, hard to choose, but I've made my pick, "les jeux sont faits, rien ne va plus." (Basically at the gaming tables that means the bets have been placed and no more bets accepted).

04 Oct 2011 6:46 PM
Steve Haskin

Alex, he meant she's so fit he could pony her up to the Breeders' Cup and has enough ponies to go through, in case she knocked out each one who tried to gallop alongside her.

04 Oct 2011 6:52 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Carlos in Cali,

Remember Mo was reluctant a little to go in the Wood?  He wasn't feeling quite right yet tried and gave it his all.  Since there isn't 100% full disclosure medically how do we really know what they (connections) knew at that point?  Maybe something was a little off but not enough to withdraw him, but by Mo's reluctance and 3rd place finish Mo told them himself and thus the intricate medical testing began after the Wood.  I respectfully disagree, this is a very unique Indian Charlie offspring.

04 Oct 2011 7:06 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Mo has plenty of distance pedigree on the bottom for 10f, and has not given any signs that he can't get or doesn't want 10f. The Wood was indicative of his determination, but is a total toss for any other read. He looked like hell pre-race compared to how he has looked pre-race in any of his other races. He has a good mud pedigree but we've seen how he likes Churchill. Leave him out of your trifecta at your own peril. I've seen nothing that says he can't get 10f in a quality time. I'm not even concerned about the distance limited foundation as I normally would be. However he will be facing at least two talented and sharp horses in Flat Out and Havre both of which will run well. And Tizway could very easily be leading in the stretch himself. I don't think this is a race where Mo will get an early lead and repel his opponents one by one. I think he has to stalk and pounce in this one. I don't see Mo as a need the lead at all. I think he will prove to be versatile. We've never seen him panic. He'll be in for a bit of a surprise with the distance though. Is it too late for a 10f workout? As far as efficient strides go, it's The Factor and Mo as the top two in racing.

04 Oct 2011 7:15 PM
It aint easy being good!

Mo had a great race and I love Uncle Mo but there are factors that no one seems to talk about. Arent MO, Game on dude and To Honor and Serve all front runnning horses? If that is the case you might see a blistering pace and a pace meltdown in the classic. Game on Dude can battle in the front end with the best of them. Go back and look at his splits and tell me that Mo might have his hands full with Game on Dude November 5th.

04 Oct 2011 7:27 PM
Karen in Texas

Great post-race perspective on the weekend preps, Steve! Over all, I think this is shaping up to be a rather exciting fall/BC season after so much rhetoric about the lack of outstanding 3-year-olds and the loss of star power with Zenyatta's retirement. Flat Out looks good, has a wonderful story, and is bred to get the Classic distance. I had never heard of his broodmare sire (Cresta Ride or Cresta Rider?) but apparently he is by Northern Dancer. Mo is back and looking fantastic compared to the obviously ill, diminished horse he was in the Wood. Awesome Gem gave new meaning to his name with that closing run in the Goodwood! Havre de Grace appears stronger than ever. Star power seems to me to be on the rise as this Breeders' Cup approaches. May they all stay healthy!

04 Oct 2011 7:32 PM
Karen in Texas

Alex'sBigFan---I agree that Mo is a unique Indian Charlie offspring, as was Fleet Indian. She won at 1 1/4 miles twice I believe. Yes, she was older than three at the time, but distance ability was definitely there.

04 Oct 2011 7:39 PM
predict

I think that Flat Out looked amazing winning the JCGC, and that is part of the problem in getting on board with him, winning this race hasn't exactly been a ticket to performing well in the BCC, which Steve so astutely has pointed out in past articles. I have to wonder though when I look at how good this lightly raced 5 year old looks right now, who is going to be able to challenge him. If UM goes in the Classic, and I expect he will( he needs to prove to the non-believers that he can win at 1 1/4), he could set the race up perfectly for Flatout, who being a fully mature 5 may just be at the peak of his physical development. One question in looking at Flatouts pedigree is the close up presence of Double Jay! OMG I don't think I have seen that in quite sometime, in a horse entering a race at this level. Steve, this great sire could really produce some tough runners, so I question you as to what you think abour this and could you share some of your expertice on this matter.

04 Oct 2011 8:26 PM
KY VET

UNDERSTAND THE SPORT! SECRETARIAT RECORDED THE HIGHEST BEYER EVER...ZENYATTA RARELY EVEN TRIED IN ALMOST ALL OF HER RACES...WHO WAS THE GREATEST?..IT MATTERS WHAT YOU GO ON...MOST GO WITH TIME(BEYERS)..UNCLE MO WAS/IS ONE OF THE GREAT HORSES OF THE LAST DECADE..108 AS A 2 YR OLD! ONE OF THE TOP EVER!(ANSWERING THE DISTANCE QUESTION AT THE TIME)..UNCLE MO JUST RAN 133 CHANGE ON A TRACK THAT WASNT FAST...HIS 118 BEYER,MIGHT AS WELL BE 130..A HORSE ON THAT DAY AT THAT DISTANCE,CANNOT RUN MUCH FASTER...END OF DISCUSSION....UNDERSTAND, IF HE NEVER WINS ANOTHER RACE, HE WAS BEST OF HIS CROP....ALSO UNDERSTAND, HORSES THIS FAST, GET HURT...THE STRESS OF THE SPEED PUTS UNBELIEVABLE STRAIN ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE ATHLETE! ZENYATTA WAS GREAT BECAUSE SHE PLAYED MOST OF THE TIME...IT IS THE MAIN REASON SHE LASTED SO LONG....RUNNING 75% PUT NOT ALOT OF STRESS ON HER...THIS STRESS OF RUNNING FAST IS WHY SO MANY(ALMOST ALL) 2YR OLD CHAMPIONS FIZZLE....THEY WERE TOO GOOD....MOST OF YOU THINK ITS THAT THEY DONT MATURE AND/OR DONT LIKE A DISTANCE.......YOU PUT DOWN A HORSE THAT RAN ONE OF THE FASTEST 2YR OLD BEYERS EVER(IN THE LONGEST 2YR OLD CHAMPION RACE) AND THE TOP BEYER OF 3YR OLD CROP!  WISE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

04 Oct 2011 9:02 PM
Paula Higgins

Mo is my pick for th BCC. I believe he will absolutely be entered in the BCC. Not a doubt in my mind. PomedeTerre, I am sure Mike Repole has a healthy ego. I do not consider him an ego maniac at all. Give him a break. He has done well by Mo in every respect and Stay Thirsty too. His horses come first.

04 Oct 2011 9:29 PM
PomDeTerre

@ Paula-

Repole's FAMOUS horses come first.  Ask any trainer at the smaller tracks where he sends his cast offs.  He bought his way into the sport; he hasn't a clue about nursing a sick foal, tending to bad legs, dealing with every other problem that the small time owners deal with on a daily basis.  He is not respected in the industry because he doesn't know a forelock from a fetlock.  Please don't attempt to defend him.  My evidence is witnessed first hand.  I've seen his "mistakes" running at 2nd tier tracks.  Once his enthusiasm dies, he will pull out of the sport.

@KY VET- turn your caps key off

04 Oct 2011 11:02 PM
leonc_03

all that i know is that GAME ON DUDE will win the BCC

04 Oct 2011 11:33 PM
Delrene

Dear Mr. Haskins- I enjoy all your articles; this one being one of your finest.  Appreciate all your insight and a big shout out and THANKS for mentioning Awesome Gem!  I saw him win with Rail Trip coming in 2nd and this was the best race since his Hollywood Gold Cup victory in 2010. On to the Breeder's Cup.  

05 Oct 2011 12:51 AM
The Deacon

One week it's this horse and the next week it's that horse we are all talking about. We have already seen some defections due to injury. This will continue, always does leading up to the Breeders Cup races. Steve is right, there are 3 maybe 4 that stand a little taller then the rest. This is going to depend on the weather, the race run in the dark and the track conditions. It will also be undoubtably cold. We know Uncle MO loves Churchill Downs, and he is getting sharp right now. The question is and has always been can he get the 10 furlongs. Some say yes, some argue no. Time will tell and yes I believe Repole wants that race so badly that he will enter both Mo and Thirsty.

Harve de Grace off that amazing Beldame effort is my pick, she beat Flat Out in the Woodward and I think she can beat him in the Classic. Tizway, who knows, 3 month layoff, fresh horse, wouldn't count him out. Steve you liked Gio Ponti a little bit as well, is he not running in the Classic now. Twirling Candy can't be ignored. Maybe these are not the greatest of horses we have ever seen but it sure will be a race to watch...........can't wait......

05 Oct 2011 1:34 AM
The Deacon

I want to add one last thing about Uncle Mo. Many of you respected folks keep saying he won't get the 10 furlongs. He is by Indian Charlie and the "Charlie" horses can't run that far. Maybe you're right, but maybe you're not. He hasn't run 10 furlongs so in truth we really don't know. Until he at least runs 1 time at that distance we won't ever know. So lets see how he does, maybe he is the next champion that so many of us thought he was. Right now, he is my 2nd choice but I would not at all be surprised if he won going away..........luck to all.

05 Oct 2011 1:41 AM
John from Seattle

Steve,

Totally disagree with your analysis of Acclamation.

If this horse wins either the Turf or the Classic, he should be Horse of the Year.  No questions asked.

Acclamation, this year, has already won five straight Grade 1 or 2 races and has beaten five different Grade 1 winning racehorses which include the winners of the Santa Anita Handicap, Blue Grass, Hollywood Derby, Malibu Stakes, Hirsch Turf Championship, and now the Goodwin.

Acclamation has also beaten the winners of some of America's most important turf races...Del Mar Handicap, San Juan Capristano, Sunset Handicap, San Luis Obispo, San Luis Rey, San Marcos, San Gabriel Handicap, Sunshine Millions Turf, Muniz Memorial Handicap, and the Del Mar Derby.

Add on top of that he has set a new stakes record for the Pacific Classic and came with 1/5 of a second of the stakes record for the Jim Murray Handicap.

05 Oct 2011 2:13 AM
Diego Conde

Uncle Mo has to run a :29 final quarter to loose the Classic, even if he passes the mile in 1:33.80 (wich should put him more than two dozen lengths ahead). That's provided that he doesn't improve a thing in what would be only his third start after the layoff. He proved he can rate in the King Bishop, and before in the Timely Writer. In the Kelso he just proved he's a FREAK.

A $1K Pick 6 with an Uncle Mo single in the Classic...that's the bet on Breeder's Cup day.

05 Oct 2011 2:24 AM
Deltalady

One thing Repole doesn't need is more money! He does have a huge ego, but, as he said, if he didn't run Mo in the Classic he would forever regret it. That pull is much stronger than the one to go for 2 trophies. That tells me he's going for it.  So what if Mo doesn't live up to the billing.... no shame or disgrace in trying, and I for one am all for him trying.  It will forever put to rest all the speculation about his ability at the 1 1/4 mi!  I will have divided loyalties...I love the filly, HdG, and Stay Thirsty.  I've watched nearly all of them all year.  I just hope a no-name long-shot doesn't win.  I hate that when it happens.  Some horse I either don't know or haven't paid attention to.  I always feel let down in that situation!!

Thanks for another great backstory. Love hearing about Flat Out's connections and their quest for the brass ring.  He's already provided them with a dream come true.

05 Oct 2011 3:05 AM
MrPick4

Steve ...great insights...all right on the money....thanks for mentioning Awesome Gem's performance in the Goodwood ...this old guy has never been better, has his ticket punched, and will watch probably the fastest of paces he's ever seen ...a definite use..

05 Oct 2011 8:24 AM
Karen in Indiana

It's funny how one thing can change your opinion on something. I saw a photo of Scooter Dickey with Flat Out that made me smile, so I will be pulling for them where ever they run. It was a photo of Scooter Dickey standing next to Flat Out, who had a very content look on his face (both of them did, actually) and Flat Out had no lip chain, no chain at all on him - just a leather halter and leather lead. And I thought - this is a pair who like each other. I think Flat Out is where he is because of talent and being in the hands of a very good horseman.

05 Oct 2011 8:51 AM
mz

Karen in Texas:  Cresta RIDER was by Northern Dancer out of Thoroly Blue (Blue Prince).  He was good enough to finish 3rd in the 1981 Poulains (French 2000 Guineas) and win the Prix Jean Prat.  His dam won the Del Mar Oaks in 1970.  Her full sister was Blue Thor, a pretty good filly of her own.  Her great (times five or something) granddam was Dustwhirl -- who foaled Whirlaway.

There's ability there -- maybe it just took some time to spring out!

Just as an aside, "morale" (more -ah-leh) means "spirit" when used in the context I think Tesio was using.

And even though I like Flat Out, I'm still rooting for the filly.

05 Oct 2011 11:21 AM
Karen in Texas

mz----Thanks for the pedigree info! I'm glad that ability is springing out now--it's bringing added interest to the "countdown"!

05 Oct 2011 11:56 AM
Sabrina

Uncle Mo peaked in the Kelso.  There is no way he can improve on that "Over the Top" performance and I predict that he will bounce in the Classic.  Mo will have to overcome a deep Churchill Downs surface, another quarter mile and another turn, as well as face horses that are much better than what he faced in the Kelso.  The winner of the Breeders Cup Classic will be either; Awesome Gem, Game on Dude or Flat Out.

05 Oct 2011 12:17 PM
plodderman

Hey KY VET - If Zenyatta was so good, why is she 0-1 against males on dirt?????  Just a synthetic freak and nothing else. Or may, just maybe the fact she ran all her races ar a 1:13 - 1:14 pace left her tooooooo much to do on BC Day. Put them in the gates 10 more times and i would make a kinning on Blame again and again and again.......... And oh yeah. Uncle Schmoe is just what he appears to be. A great miler. Not a great Classic Horse. Giany Oak runs that field over when the pace FINALLY comes up in his favor.

05 Oct 2011 12:18 PM
plodderman

Diego Conde: You do understand that Uncle Mo ran a one-turn race and you are comparing it to a two-turn race. The only theory that loses more money than the "who-beat-who" theory is the "time theory". I would love to book your bet!! 29 and change - lolololol.

05 Oct 2011 12:21 PM
Susan from VA

Compared to the lack of talent that finally made it to the Triple Crown races, we have an abundance of talent going into the BC Classic.  How exciting!  Which horse to pick??

05 Oct 2011 12:56 PM
NASCAR PRO

WOW UM looked unbeatable winning his MILE prep for a mile and a quarter race next.I wonder how many of you remember Steve Haskins article about where UM should run before he steps up in company and distance in the Classic.He wrote that he thought that UM should run in the Pennsyvania Derby at 1 1/8 to prep for 1 1/4 race, I thought that was a much better idea than prepping at a mile for the next race that would be 440 yards longer.I think most of you including KY VET think Mo is a brilliant racehorse, IDO TOO.But what you dont seem to acknowlege or to use KY VETS words understand about the sport is That the owner is the one that picked this mile race to prep in not the trainer.Do you think Pletcher would prep in a mile race for a mile and a quarter race, I definitely dont think so.We will see how good Repoles training instints are after the race.BTW MO is good enough to make him look like a genius and that will feed his ego,and then he will win the race he wants to win.An example it was the owner of FLASHPOINT that made the decision to run in the PREAKNESS,and he sold a lot of bettors and handicappers on it but he ran hard for less than a mile and faded,MO is in another class,but I know trainers are very good handicappers compared to owners,dont believe the myth that they are not.

05 Oct 2011 5:04 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Someone had mentioned that Timeform has Uncle Mo rated as top 3 yr. old.  Yes, and they have Tizway as top older horse and Havre de Grace several horses below him.  I am curious what the BC Classic looks like on paper at this point on the Timeform oval?  TVG usually shows it but probably in the day or days prior to the BC races in their preview show. Timeform ratings are comparable to our Beyer figures but they calculate weights and furlongs I believe.  Does anyone know how this is done?

05 Oct 2011 5:17 PM
LucyWG

Plodderman, why would you call Uncle Mo "Uncle Schmoe?" Making fun of a horse seems really, seriously immature.  I am not a big Uncle Mo fan, but he is a HORSE, and a good one, at that.  Why would you dislike a horse, unless, of course, you knew the horse personally and he/she kicked you...there is one saddlebred mare I sometimes care for and she once sent me across the corral so I am not too fond of her...

  Poor Uncle Mo looked so bad in the weeks before the Derby; his recovery is remarkable.  I do not know that he can get the Classic distance but that is why we race them.  Personally, I will be cheering for Flat Out or Havre de Grace.  And I do love Awesome Gem...

05 Oct 2011 6:19 PM
John from Seattle

Regarding Uncle Mo, his last three quarters were run in 22.56, 23.31, and 24.48 or basically slowing down 4 lengths and then 6 lengths.  In total, Uncle Mo slowed 10 lengths in the second half of the race.  Is that what you want from a horse expected to go another two furlongs in the Classic?

05 Oct 2011 7:10 PM
Kevin

I agree they will be the 3 favorites. My money is on Twirling Candy; hope to get 8-1.  

05 Oct 2011 7:56 PM
GoldenGiven

My pick for the BCC is....a horse out of a Carson City mare! Havre de Grace, or (if he even makes the trip) Wilburn. Is there any horse out there improving more rapidly than Wilburn. And, Julien fits this horse so well. I know, he's really up against it and he beat nothing in the IN derby, but he is a horse to keep a close eye on.

05 Oct 2011 8:08 PM
Paula Higgins

PomdeTerre, clearly you aren't a fan of Mike Repole. I respect the fact that you seem to be in the business and care about the welfare of second tier horses. Even though Repole may not know a "forelock from a fetlock" there is still a place for people like him in horse racing. He treats his horses well, all tiers, correct? He is not running them into the ground, ignoring medical conditions, or abandoning them when they can no longer run is he?I don't picture him as the type of owner who would not care for ALL his horses properly, "mistakes" or not. I don't see him as the kind of owner who will be here today and gone tomorrow either. He is relatively new to the sport, but there is nothing wrong with that. As for taking care of sick foals, bad legs etc. I understand your point. If they were my horses I would be camping out. But lets face it, some are more hands on owners than others and more deeply involved in the sport than others. The bottom line for me is: does he make sure his horses are properly cared for from beginning to end? if the answer is "yes" I am o.k. with him or her, whether they are hands on, or they pay someone to provide the care. If the answer is "no" I have a problem with that.

05 Oct 2011 8:37 PM
Ranagulzion

Steve,

You've stirred up a lot of love for Flat Out but Tizway is still the horse they'll all have to beat in the Breeder's Cup Classic.  Uncle Mo and Havre de Grace are the main dangers.  I also think that Twirling Candy is coming under the radar to run big.  If there is to be an upset he is certainly capable as a very talented colt that is still maturing but whom many observers might have given up on.

05 Oct 2011 9:05 PM
KY VET

WHY DO I, AS A PROFESSIONAL HORSEPLAYER, MAKE SO MUCH MONEY IN THIS GAME? I UNDERSTAND THE SPORT! I KNOW THE HORSE, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE....PAY ATTN.AND LEARN SOMETHING. YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE WINNING FORMULA!  MOST OF YOU ARE GOING ON THE WRONG THINGS! ITS NOT HARD TO FIND THE "BEST" HORSE...ITS UNCLE MO....IN THE CLASSIC..YOU DISTANCE, AND BREEDING PEOPLE..ARE IGNORANT..IT IS BAD SCIENCE...YOU ARE DEALING WITH SUCH LOW NUMBERS..IT TAKES 1 HORSE, TO CHANGE THE BREEDING NUMBERS....HOW MANY GRADE 1S ARE AT A MILE1/4 OR MILE/1/2? HARDLY ANY!!!! DID SECRETARIAT HAVE GREAT DISTANCE BREEDING? SEATTLE SLEW? ANY HORSE? OR DO THEY NOW HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY WON? IF MO WINS, RUNS NEXT YEAR, THEN INDIAN CHARLY HAS GREAT DISTANCE BREEDING...IT IS A JOKE! YOU ALL DONT REALLY KNOW HOW LITTLE IT TAKES TO CHANGE BREEDING...ALLS YOU PEOPLE NEED IS COMMON SENSE...TRUTH IS, IT IS WHO IS BEST ON THAT DAY..THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT...RACING HURTS HORSES! THEY DONT RUN THE SAME EVERY TIME!A HORSE LOSES, AND SOME PEOPLE SAY IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE, OR JOCKEY, OR SOME STUPID REASON....WHEN MOST OF THE TIME IT IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. LIKE THE HORSE WAS TIRED, OR HAS A PROBLEM...TO THE POINT..US PROFESSIONALS USE THE PAST TO PREDICT THE FUTURE! EACH RACE DOES SOMETHING TO THE HORSE!! SOME GET SHARPER, SOME REGRESS!

05 Oct 2011 9:07 PM
KY VET

AS I STATED ABOVE, UNCLE MO IS THE BEST HORSE...HE HAS RUN THE FASTEST. END OF STORY!  NOW, DOES THAT TELL US HE IS A GREAT BET IN THE CLASSIC? IN A WORD....NO!!! YES HE IS THE BEST HORSE IN THE RACE..BUT WHY THEN IS HE NOT A GREAT BET? HE WAS ON A LAYOFF DUE TO ILLNESS, RAN GOOD 1ST RACE BACK, THEN FREAKED 2ND START BACK....THIS IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN...HE MAY BE KNOCKED OUT...GREAT RACES PUT ALOT OF STRAIN ON A HORSE....FOR THIS REASON, AND THE FACT THAT THE FILLY AND FLAT OUT ARE COMING INTO THE RACE GREAT, I WILL NOT CHOOSE TO BET MY FAVORITE HORSE..UNCLE MO...FUNNY THING IS, IF MO LOSES, THE IGNORANT WILL PULL THE DISTANCE BREEDING CARD OUT.....WHY ARE THOSE OTHER 2 COMING UP TO THE RACE GREAT? THEY ARE COMING OFF RACES THAT SHOULDNT KNOCK THEM OUT!...NO RACE THAT IS TOO GOOD..JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL..NOTHING TO THROW THEIR SYSTEM OT OF WACK...SOMETIMES SLOWER IS BETTER!  THATS WHY I KILL THIS GAME!

05 Oct 2011 9:26 PM
The Deacon

Sabrina:  No offense but good horses don't normally bounce after 1 race, especially after a healthy layoff. He may not win, but he won't bounce, trust me on that.

05 Oct 2011 10:54 PM
Diego Conde

My Friend plodderman: Even when the Timely was a one-turn mile the horse relaxed beautifully and sprinted in the stretch. My point being, he's not a head strong, ranked horse that needs the lead and can be "distracted" by a hot pace. The 1:33.4 he posted Saturday was far superior to the time both Grace and Flat Out ran. Provided he is not a one turn horse, which in my opinion he proved in the BC Juv last year and the Wood Memorial (by closing in a decent :12 and change while sick and after grabbing a quarter at the start) he should handle them both...(I'd add, "with relative ease", but a win is a win). In a month we'll see and we shall talk again. Until then...

P.S Zenyatta may have lost to Blame (by a whisker), but she still beat (and was pulling away from) a field of very decent horses including two time CHAMPION Looking At Lucky.

P.S.S Giant Oak? Really? Are you part of his connections or something? I just can't see it? Giant Oak? Was that a typo?

06 Oct 2011 2:39 AM
Bill Two

Who has a point there; owners that think they know better than their trainers are in for a rough time. Reminds me of George Steinbrenner before he got smart or Peter Angelos of the Orioles.  If you have a good trainer leave him alone to make the decisions regarding where or when a horse will race.

06 Oct 2011 9:30 AM
TerriZ

Thanks for your wonderful stories about the trials and trevails of the top three competetors and their connections in the Claassic.

I love how Larry Jones personally

vans and gallops Harve de Grace.

I wonder if anyone has contacted Mr. William Warren the owner of her sire, Saint Liam. After his untimely death, he tried to purchase as many of his progeny as he could. He stated that they all resembled Saint Liam.

It should be some Breeders Cup Classic this year.

06 Oct 2011 9:36 AM
Smoking Baby

 Diego Conde.  I'm with you.  Giant Oak?  Please.  All my doubts about Uncle Mo aside.  You really have to admit in and of itself that was ONE NICE race he ran the other day against some good horses.  There's no getting around the fact that this colt has some serious serious talent.  

06 Oct 2011 10:09 AM
It aint easy being good!

I agree that uncle mo will not bounce what will do uncle mo in will be game on dude. Game on dude will gun for the lead and with experience being and older horse and have already carried a distance at 1/1/8th mile. Game on Dude is going to wear out uncle mo if you guys dont think so go back and look at the splits in GOD's last race. .....bye bye MO!

06 Oct 2011 10:56 AM
Karen in Texas

Alex'sBF---Try this link/page. Go to the "how Timeform handicaps" heading. Also, check the date on the Uncle Mo 3-yr-old ranking.

www.timeform.com/display_articles.asp

06 Oct 2011 11:06 AM
NASCAR PRO

Repole just hedged his bets on UM running in the Classic with his deal for breeding rights he made with Ashford.Do you think this was spur of the moment this has been planned for months.I give him credit for being a great businessman,lets see how good his trainer instincts are with preping at a mile in NY for a mile and a quarter race.

06 Oct 2011 1:08 PM
KY VET

WOW. GOOD POST BY DIEGO...WHY DO I KEEP HEARING MO IS GOING TO THE LEAD? HE IS NOT..WHY WOULD HE? WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THAT IDEA? HAS ANYBODY SEEN HIM RUN?...HE IS JUST A GREAT HORSE! HE HAS SPEED! BUT HAS HE EVER BEEN RANK? NO! WHAT MAKES HIM GREAT IS HIS LONG LONG STRIDE...SMALL HORSE WITH GIANT STRIDE! COUNT HIS STRIDES FROM A POINT IN A RACE, THEN COMPARE HIM WITH ANOTHER...YOULL SEE WHY HE IS A FREAK..ANYONE EVER HEAR HOW SMART MO IS? PLETCHER RAVES ABOUT IT...SMART MEANS NOT SPEED CRAZY, RELAXED....UNCLE MO WILL NOT BE ON THE LEAD, WHY WOULD THEY? COME ON PEOPLE, LEARN......

06 Oct 2011 4:33 PM
Freetex

Karen in Indiana, great observation regarding Scooter Dickey and Flat Out.  I guess I'm on his band wagon too.

Still Love the grit of Uncle Mo, Havre De Grace and Giant Ryan.  I hope Zazu wins the Ladies' Classic, its my affinity for the Z girls.

Steve you sure illicit some great views from your most reliable bloggers like the Karens, Dr. Drunkinbum, The Deacon and Raguzulin (?).

On an aside, I just read Steve's book about John Henry again, just because, and then realized that October 7th is the anniversary of his passing.  I will be thinking of him once again tomorrow.  I've watched practically every video about JH on You Tube.  I also visited with him a few times at the Kentucky Horse Park even though he ignored me completely.  What a horse!!

06 Oct 2011 5:08 PM
darkhors

Hi Steve,

A little off-topic, but I am wondering about something and you are the one person I can think of who might have both knowledge of and interest in this.

Reading the tributes to Steve Jobs last night, I was struck by the advice he gave in his 2005 commencement address at Stanford. He admonished the graduates to "stay hungry, stay foolish." I am curious if this advice might have been the seed for Stay Thirsty's name. Do you know?

I've really enjoyed your recent blogs, by the way.

06 Oct 2011 7:48 PM
Alex'sBigFan

I don't think it is written in stone anywhere that an owner must be a tried and true horseman himself or herself.  For an industry to look down upon or disrespect any owner for that reason alone seems ludicrous.  If there is mismanagement or mistreatment of thoroughbreds going on then that is a different case but how many owners today are old time horsemen?  And Mike Repole is just like most of us, a fan first, who achieved his lifelong dream of thoroughbred ownership.  He has the right passion for the sport and foots the bill for those that do the training and veterinary caregiving and oversees that his beloved horses are taken care of.  He even stated he cares about their health over his own and I believe him because I would be the same way.  Mike doesn't have to be a horseman, shades of Steve's article "Leave Training To The Trainers" comes to mind.  Does he have to surround himself with those that are accomplished horsemen, yes, and I think he has done that to perfection with Todd Pletcher.  Even as we blog, he is securing Mo's future beyond the BC Classic. And aren't we as fans encouraging this new breed of owner like Bobby Flay, Mike Repole, Mike Iavaronne, and Toby Keith?  The industry needs this type of younger owner as well as the horsemen type owners.  Just because one has not grown up and spent a lifetime around horses and cannot spout out what bone is connected to the cannon bone, doesn't diminish their quality of ownership to any degree or lessen the amount of love for the thoroughbred there is in their heart.  And we live in the day when the Racing Manger has entered the picture for the owner so there should be enough hands-on people in the entourage.  

06 Oct 2011 8:09 PM
KY VET

SOMETIMES YOU DO EVERYTHING RIGHT, TRAIN A HORSE PERFECTLY...HAVE THE HORSE ON TOP OF THEIR GAME..PREPARE THEM TO RUN, AND SOMETHING HAPPENS. A HORSE GRABS A QUARTER, GETS BUMPED, OR AN EXCERCISE RIDER LETS A HORSE RUN TOO FAST IN A WORKOUT...THERE ARE MANY REASONS YOU DONT WANT A HORSE TO GO TOO FAST...IF A 5 FURLONG WORKOUT IN 59 IS TOO FAST, IMAGINE WHAT A 118 BEYER DOES TO A HORSE! IN MANY WAYS...STRESS ON BONES , SOFT TISSUE, LACTIC ACID...YOU WANT A HORSE TO SLOWLY GET FASTER! NOT FIRE IN HIS PREP!

06 Oct 2011 11:59 PM
KY VET

AS STATED ABOVE...YOU DONT WANT A HORSE TO RUN TOO GOOD IN HIS PREP..UNCLE MO IS A GREAT HORSE. I HOPE HE WINS....BUT THIS IS BIG MISTAKE...AND THE ONE PERSON TO BLAME IS THE JOCKEY JOHNNY V! HE SIMPLY LET HIM RUN TOO FAST. I'M NOT SAYING MO WILL LOSE. I'M SAYING IF HE DOES, THE BLAME LAYS IN THE LAP OF JOHNNY V...NOW, ALOT OF FACTORS MAY HAVE LED TO THIS MISTAKE...HUMAN NATURE.THE FACT THAT (THEY/HE) WANT TO PROVE THE MANY DOUBTERS , THE FREAK THEY KNOW HE IS...ALSO THE BIG MOVE BY JACKSON BEND MAN JOHNNY V SAY "OH YEA? WATCH THIS!"  HUMAN NATURE BABY....WHAT THE HORSE NEEDED, WAS A "PAT DAY" RIDE...JUST GO AS FAST AS YOU HAVE TO...THE CONNECTIONS OF THE FILLY DID IT RIGHT, GAVE HE THE "PAID" WORKOUT..RUNNING FAST ISNT WHAT YOU WANT!!!UNCLE MOE'S CAMP DID EVERYTHING PERFECT. IT TOOK A MISTAKE OF THE JOCKEY....TO MABYE COST THEM THE CLASSIC.....EVEN IF MO WINS, IT WAS A MISTAKE....YOU DONT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.....

07 Oct 2011 12:14 AM
Michigan Vet

KY VET, I believe I speak for the community when I ask you to turn off your Caps Lock button.  This is akin to screaming on the Internet, and is considered rude.  You'll notice nobody else here does it.  Your comments are interesting, but agonizingly difficult to read.  Thanks!

07 Oct 2011 4:56 PM
Alex'sBigFan

"Ooooh, the long pastern bone's connected to the cannon bone, the cannon bone's connected to the splint bone, the splint bone's connected to the carpal bones. Ooooh, dem bones, dem bones, dem bones!!!" Hee, hee, hee, hee, hee.

(Just studying my equine anatomy to prepare for the industry scorn years in advance of ownership since I am not a horsewoman)!

07 Oct 2011 7:18 PM
Diego Conde

KY: I agree with the theory but disagree with the example. I invite you to watch the replay of the Kelso. It's  my opinion that Mo wasn't used as much as you think. The first 5F were ran in breeze-like fashion. Johnny V was still as a statute. He did move the horse for 2F while threatened by Jackson Bend, but only a couple of under-arm flicks of the whip. Johnny stop moving with approximately a hundred meters to go and stood in the irons before the race was over.

The time was rocket fast, but after watching the replay, I just think he's that good.

If, however the horse was stimulated for more than half the trip, and did run at 100% I have to agree with you. I just think he has 5th gear left in reserve for the Classic.

07 Oct 2011 10:10 PM
dryice55

Diego Conde- I agree with your point. Before the kelso, when Mo worked a :46 half mile, people were saying that he worked too fast and it would take too much out of him, Obviously he came back in the Kelso and ran huge. Mike and Todd always say that this colt can do very fast things very easily, so I think this colt is just that good, that he can run super fast times without excessive exertion.

08 Oct 2011 11:44 AM
KY VET

Diego....you are one of the few on here that i can tell knows this game a little. Let me tell you, i love UNCLE MO! One of my biggest skills, is knowing what a great horse looks like...I also make a living betting on horses. I like you, USED to think that way..(oh the jockey wasnt whipping hard!) the horse wasnt all out. Mo ran a 118....look, i am not saying mo will lose...What i am saying, is as a professional horseplayer,i cannot bet on him....why? because running that fast is a mistake...it is not how you want him to come into this race....TRUST ME!   johnny v should have gone just fast enough to win......I will be cheering for my fav horse uncle mo........

08 Oct 2011 10:23 PM
Linda in Texas

Alex'sBigfFan, agree so much with your 10/6/11 8:09 PM post.

It really conflicts my ability to understand folks who diss someone because they are outspoken in their love of their horses. And if they happen to have an extra buck in the bank they are chastised, if they have been successful in a business they are raked over the coals. It really gets under my skin. How in the world do those who think that way think the owners of horses got their money so they can provide the race horses for them to bet on.

I get irked to hear from folks who knock the owners in the dirt while betting either for their horses or betting against them and making money from it. You can make as much money betting against a horse as you can betting for it. Whether you bet against one and for another, you are making money. Get over the hit mentality. It is most unbecoming.

And i guess welcome back KY VET, could you lighten up on calling those of us who happen to enjoy Steve's articles YOU PEOPLE. How about using the word "friends" because we all are no matter if we have differing viewpoints. It takes all kinds KY VET and i never stop learning from anyone.

Thanks Steve. Have a nice Columbus Day. I wish i could be in Philadelphia this week end as I have been there in the past and had a great time. Not a lot of celebrating in my one horse town.

09 Oct 2011 11:08 AM
Bigtex

I think John Sadler has to love the attention Twirling Candy's NOT getting.  Twirling Candy is the other freak athlete in the Classic and when he runs professionally, relaxed, he won't be out of the money and he has the talent to win.  The mile 1/4 won't be an issue for him.

I love Uncle Mo and hope for his victory and agree that he wasn't really all that pressed in the Kelso.  He looked really relaxed and when he's feeling right, I can tell he has a competitive mean streak in him and he will fight the fight if he has too.  He believes he's the best horse on the track.

09 Oct 2011 2:34 PM
AfleetAlexForever

Twirling Candy is likely for the BC Mile. The sprint like 5f work would indicate that.

11 Oct 2011 4:21 PM

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