Spa La La La La

Yes, ‘tiz the season to be jolly. Saratoga is here again, and it seems to be getting earlier and earlier. The first half of the year has been a series of emotional ups and downs with issues so hot they burned up the pages of newspapers and network air waves, in good part to the detriment of the sport.

If there was a face of horse racing it would be posted on the “Ten Most Wanted” wall of the New York Times and several other publications and TV networks who normally have as much interest in racing as they do badminton, and just about the same knowledge.

Even though the New York Times refuses to let go of Doug O’Neill’s jugular, the emotion-filled days of spring and I’ll Have Another and milkshakes are for the most part over and we get to start anew. We have come to terms with the injuries to the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and Belmont winners, and our thoughts are now filled with Saratoga sunrises, strolls up Broadway, and soaking our troubles away at the Roosevelt or Washington Baths. And, of course, there are the horses, whether they’re emerging from the morning mist on the Oklahoma training track or charging down the stretch in front of a packed grandstand. As I await my 44th Saratoga, I can anticipate that electric and nostalgic feeling of getting off the Northway and the first glimpse of the barns and grandstand.

But no one is looking forward to Saratoga more than Ahmed Zayat, who will attempt to wash away the frustrating defeats of May and June.

Zayat has his pair of gifted colts, Bodemeister and Paynter, who suffered heartbreaking defeats in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness (Bodemeister) and Belmont Stakes (Paynter).

Now that the Triple Crown gods have called it a year after an eventful spring, in which they toyed with our emotions, it is now up to the racing gods to determine Zayat’s fate. The three Triple Crown races comprise a total of approximately 3.8 miles. Zayat’s two horses led for all but about 10 feet of those 3.8 miles and didn’t win any of the three races. But Zayat never complained and complimented the winners and expressed his pride in his own horses for their toughness and courage. He now anxiously awaits the second season with the enthusiasm of a father looking forward to watching his two sons play in the World Series. For this, no one deserves to be rewarded in the major stakes this summer and fall more than Zayat, especially having also lost his top older horse, Nehro, for the remainder of the year.

The start of Zayat’s second season didn’t exactly go as planned, with Bodemeister having to miss the Haskell Invitational with a fever. The son of Empire Maker was supposed to head to Monmouth, while Paynter set his sights on the Travers. Zayat and Baffert will have to decide whether Paynter will take Bodemeister’s place in the Haskell, a race Baffert has won five times. As of now, the son of Awesome Again is considered a probable starter, as is Hansen, who was originally scheduled to run in the West Virginia Derby. So, it looks as if we still have a bang-up Haskell, with those two brilliant colts and Dullahan.

If Zayat could have pulled off this double with Bodemeister and Paynter he would have become the first owner in history to win both the Haskell (or its predecessor the Monmouth Invitational) and Travers in the same year with different horses. But again, it wasn’t meant to be.

The Triple Crown over the past few years has been a double-edged sword for Zayat. He has to take great satisfaction seeing so many of his 3-year-olds turn in huge performances in all three legs of the Crown. But it has to be frustrating for him and his family to finish second in three of the last four runnings of the Kentucky Derby – once to a 50-1 shot who never won another race, another to a horse who had never run on dirt, and this year to a horse winning from the 19-post for the first time history. In the only year he didn’t finish second, he had the overwhelming favorite, Eskendereya, but had to withdraw him several days before the race due to a career-ending injury. So, in the last four years, he’s had three seconds in the Derby, seconds in the Preakness and Belmont, and a fourth in the Belmont.

Nehro, in addition to finishing second in the Kentucky Derby, was beaten a nose in the Pimlico Special this year and a neck in the Louisiana Derby and Arkansas Derby last year. On this year’s Belmont Stakes card, Justin Phillip, named after Zayat’s son, was nipped in the closing strides in the True North Handicap.

In addition to Bodemeister and Paynter, Baffert also has Blueskiesnrainbows and Liaison, the one-three finishers of the recent Swaps Stakes. Baffert will have to do a lot of shuffling, keeping Blueskiesnrainbows, another speed horse, away from Bodemeister and Paynter. What makes Baffert’s year even more impressive is that he’s also had graded stakes-winning 3-year-olds Secret Circle, Castaway, and Drill, and stakes-placed Stirred Up and Brigand.

Saratoga also will be the scene of a free-for-all in the historic Whitney between the Stephen Foster and Suburban horses, which include Ron the Greek, Wise Dan, Mucho Macho Man, Hymn Book, Rogue Romance, Alternation, Trickmeister, Stay Thirsty, To Honor and Serve, and Mission Impazible, among others. The survivors of this slugfest eventually will take on Baffert’s pair of Game On Dude and Richard’s Kid, who look to be the dominant older horses in California.

Euros beware

Not only did the Ballydoyle-trained Treasure Beach come up empty in Saturday’s Man o’ War Stakes, but America may have found the type of horse who can make life difficult for the Europeans in this year’s Breeders’ Cup Turf.

Point of Entry, trained by Shug McGaughey and owned by the Phipps Stable, who also sent out Boisterous to a fast-closing narrow defeat in the Arlington Handicap Saturday, proved himself to be a top-class grass horse following his impressive score in the Man o’War Stakes, his third consecutive victory and second straight graded stakes win. An attractive colt with a beautiful head and fluid stride, Point of Entry has as potent and classy a female family as you’ll ever see.

Point of Entry is a half-brother to the ill-fated Pine Island, winner of the Alabama and Gazelle Stakes.

His dam, Matlacha Pass, is a full-sister to Pleasant Home, who romped by nine lengths in the Breeders’ Cup Distaff.

His second dam, Our Country Place, is a half-sister to Triple Tiara winner and Hall of Famer Sky Beauty and also to Silence Beauty, dam of Wood Memorial and Cigar Mile winner Take of Ekati.

Third dam, Maplejinsky, like Sky Beauty and Pine Island, won the Alabama Stakes, as well as the Monmouth Oaks, and is a half-sister to the great sprinter Dayjur.

Fourth dam, Gold Beauty, was the champion sprinter in 1982, having won or placed in the Test, Vosburgh, Fall Highweight, True North, and Boojum.

Point of Entry’s sire is the recently deceased Dynaformer, one of the most influential stallions of the past decade and a major source of class and stamina. Point of Entry also is inbred 3x4 to His Majesty through Dynaformer’s dam, Andover Way, and the classic-winning Pleasant Colony (sire of Our Country Place). Point of Entry’s broodmare sire is the classic stallion Seeking the Gold, while third dam Maplejinsky is by English Triple Crown winner Nijinsky.

This family also traces to Round Table, Hail to Reason, Stymie, and Bull Lea.

Catchin’ more Z’s

Zayat isn’t the only “Z” to keep an eye on the rest of the year. Nick Zito has a pair of late-developing stretch runners named Fast Falcon and Easter Gift, who were beaten in photos in the Dwyer and Pegasus Stakes, respectively.

Both colts are intriguing, because they are lightly raced and we really don’t know yet how good they are. If they improve off their fast-closing second-place finishes in the Dwyer and Pegasus, they could have a major say in the outcome of the Haskell and Travers.

Fast Falcon is by Awesome Again, out of Pleasant Tap’s stakes-placed daughter, My Chickadee, a half-sister to Pool Land, winner of the grade I Ruffian Stakes and four other stakes.

Easter Gift’s pedigree is not quite as strong from a stamina standpoint. He is by Hard Spun, runner-up in the Kentucky Derby and Breeders’ Cup Classic, out of the Allen’s Prospect mare Angel Gift, who won two stakes and placed in six others, including the graded Clement Hirsch, Royal Heroine, and Paseana.

Easter Gift’s broodmare sire, Whiskey Road, a son of Nijinsky, out of the top-class Bowl of Flowers, was a stakes winner at 1 ½ miles in Ireland and sired the great international stakes horse Strawberry Road, as well as Melbourne Cup winner Just A Dash.

Home is where the Crown is

One final thought on the Triple Crown. Why is it that 11 horses have been able to do what horses since 1978 have been unable to do? Why are the horses of today capable of winning the first two legs impressively and incapable of getting that third leg. We wrote a column recently discussing how much more difficult it is to win the Belmont now because of the larger fields. But here is one other fact to ponder, whether it has any bearing on it or not.

Just look at the lifestyle of the Thoroughbred today, most of whom go through the yearlings sales or the rigors of the 2-year-old sales, where they are asked to breeze a quarter of a mile in :09 and change and :10 and change, which is considered “slow.”

Of the 11 Triple Crown winners, 10 of them were homebreds, growing up in a single environment without the stress of the sales. By the time they were sent to the track, the owner and trainer knew everything there was to know about them.

Of course, the only exception was Seattle Slew, a $17,500 yearling purchase, who was fortunate enough to find the perfect trainer in Billy Turner, whose steeplechasing background gave him the patience the precocious colt needed to stretch out to classic distances.

As we said, we have no idea if this fact has any bearing on anything, but it is worth noting just as a point of interest.

Zenyatta Foes Still Going Strong
 
It's hard to believe, but Zenyatta's victims are still running huge in major stakes two and three years later. Switch, second to Zenyatta in the 2010 Lady's Secret Stakes, captured the grade II A Gleam Handicap last weekend, and Richard's Kid and Twice Over, both beaten by Queen Z in the 2009 Breeders' Cup Classic, recently finished second in the grade I Hollywood Gold Cup and third in the group I Coral Eclipse Stakes at Sandown, respectively.

Six horses that Zenyatta beat in the 2009 Breeders' Cup Classic came back to win
grade or group I stakes -- Gio Ponti (Man o'War, Shadwell Mile), Twice Over
(Eclipse Stakes, Champion, Juddmonte International), Richard's Kid (Pacific
Classic, Goodwood), Awesome Gem (Hollywood Gold Cup), Rip Van Winkle (Juddmonte International), and Girolamo (Vosburgh).

Eight of the horses in that field had already won grade or group I stakes going into the race.

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Cassandra.Says

And double Ribot, too.

Dynaformer's first few books were nothing much, and even as they got better many of his sons were gelded because they were too hot to handle, then we lost Barbaro.

But it looks like there's a credible pretender to the crown in Point of Entry. Unlike many staying grinders by Dynaformer, he stalks and his acceleration in the stretch is positively exciting.

This is a niggle but the next time you mention the Derby has never before been won by a horse in post 19, could you mention how many times there has been a starter in post 19? Perhaps also that there's been a winner from post 20?

16 Jul 2012 2:51 AM
Derby Dew

Steve,

A lot of juicy tidbits in this article.  Great stuff!  

I agree, Saratoga seemed to come up on us quicker than usual this year.  Anticipating a stellar meet this season with the record purses, best in class jockey colony and abundance of talented thoroughbreds.

As for Mr. Zayat's repeated near misses in the big races, it's no wonder that he's lost most of his hair.... I'd have pulled mine out from all the frustration.  The good news is that he continues to add these talented horses to his stable.  Sooner or later, the trophys will be added to his mantle.

Wishing everyone a memorable visit to the Spa this season.

16 Jul 2012 4:52 AM
John Boudreau

Steve>>Great Read as Usual!!  >>Did Ya See the Opener at Del Mar>> A 20 MAIDEN Claimer for F/M>>> TERRIBLE>> Bring on the SPA>>!!

16 Jul 2012 6:28 AM
Slew

Great thoughts, Steve.  I think Saratoga is my favorite venue.  I can't wait for the season to begin, and I hate the day it ends.

Bodemeister and Paynter have so much raw talent, and did so well as very green horses, that I can't wait to see what happens as they mature and their styles become more refined. Consider that once they got Justin Phillip to run straight, he became a win machine.

As far as Mama Zen goes, what can I say?  She seemed to contain a spiritual nexus.  You either got that, or you didn't; there never seemed to be any in-betweens.  I do, however, feel a bit sorry for Blame.  Zen's run in the 2010 BCC was so spectacular that she still commanded the spotlight after her only loss. Blame, on the other hand, received short shrift in his victory...and yet he was handsome and capable and well-bred. I think he'll be better appreciated once his babies get to the track.

16 Jul 2012 8:06 AM
ksweatman9

Zenyatta, wasn't she that amazon of a mare that critics thought was "overrated"? They said she never beat anyone, just bums, a weak crop. Guess a it's true what they say, a fool is born every minute.

16 Jul 2012 9:39 AM
Pedigree Ann

I agree that the yearling sales preparation industry we have today is damaging to the long-term racing prospects of the youngsters who undergo its rigors. And that 2yo-in-training sales have morphed into a bizarre test of QH-style abilities. Many of the 'near misses', like Real Quiet and Silver Charm, were not expected to be high-priced prospects so missed out on the 'sales prep' of their more fashionably-bred peers.

And don't get me started about commercial breeders' unproductive prejudices in stallion selection - against any horse not above 16 hands, against horses with 'off-beat' (but successful!) bloodlines, who don't belong to the popular sirelines, etc.

Look at the stallion roster at Claiborne today; Bull Hancock must be rolling over in his grave. When I first visited in 1976, champions with 'off-beat' pedigrees like Forli, Damascus, Ack Ack, and Le Fabuleux, mixed with the Bold Rulers and Round Tables. There is not a horse on the current roster who could warm up any the above, with the possible exception of Blame. And 5 of the 11 are sons or grandsons of one stallion, A. P. Indy.  

16 Jul 2012 10:15 AM
Samm Graci

Gato del Sol from the 18 hole... and Big Brown from the 20... couple of 17 hole winners... I personally feel we should only have 14 starters... too many times these young horses get banged around... some you never see run again... The Queens plate is limited to 14.. the reason.. SAFETY!  and their track is actually wider than Churchills! here's a link to winners and post positions.. horseracing.about.com/.../blderbywin.htm

16 Jul 2012 10:42 AM
Dr Drunkinbum

I don't read tabloids like the NY Times or the Enquirer. Thanks for bringing up dozens of fabulous memories of the Great Queen Zenyatta, what a Christmas present she was and is, a bunch of good ones will be battling in The Whitney, and a partridge in a pear treeeeeeeeeeeee.

16 Jul 2012 11:15 AM
Susan from VA

Dr. Drunkinbum-A little early to be hitting the sauce, eh?  Another great read, Mr. Haskin.

16 Jul 2012 11:45 AM
Lammtarra'sArc

Don't get so high on Point of Entry, Jaime Spencer gave Treasure beach a horrible trip far behind  wickedly slow fractions.  Don't start thinking that Point Of Entry has a shot vs Turf runners like Sea Moon, St Nic, and of course the young great Camelot!

16 Jul 2012 12:09 PM
Bill Two

Can anyone figure out why Dullahan is pointing towards the Haskell and not major turf races?  Hasn't this horse conclusively proven that he wants no part of dirt?  As for Zayat, he certainly deserves better and eventually his karma will change - hopefully for the better.

16 Jul 2012 12:38 PM
slee

Ah, Saratoga.

As I bake out here in the midwest with temperatures over 100 deg and rainclouds (if any) way off in the distance, let's consider the cool green trees of Broadway, the 2 year olds bouncing along the training track, and the legends to be made storming down the backstretch, headed for the wire, and maybe for glory.

Enjoy Steve, and let us know how much fun you're having (but try not to gloat........too much!)

16 Jul 2012 2:24 PM
michelee

Reading the last few paragraphs of your blog, with a lot of familiar

race names, I wonder if you have any comments to make on Santa Anita's

wholesale renaming of races so much a part of tradition that just the words bring back the memories?

16 Jul 2012 5:05 PM
Cassandra.Says

Camelot . . .

The Man o'War fractions weren't wickedly slow for a European race, and Treasure Beach was spinning his wheels because Point of Entry ran his last three furlongs in 11 and change each. Off "wickedly slow" early fractions they hit the mile and a quarter in 2:02 and a bit, a more than respectable time, and Point of Entry kicked on home in 11 and 2.

Got any final furlong times on Camelot?

16 Jul 2012 5:33 PM
sceptre

Pedigree Ann:

I'm not unsympathetic to your points, but you've overstated your position.- As I recall, Silver Charm was trained for, and entered in a 2 yr. old sale. Also, I think it's fair to say that a stud farm such as a Claiborne would today be standing "off-bred" pedgree types like a Forli, Ack Ack, or Damascus if there existed, in the US, those pedigree types of similar accomplished racing performance. What is cosidered to be "off-bred" or otherwise is relative to the time (era).  

16 Jul 2012 5:39 PM
Lammtarra'sArc

Bill Two

 I am as confused on that nomination also.  This is Romans at his best.  Just like shackleford not wanting any part of route races regardless of his Preakness win.  Dullahan should have trained up to the The Secretariat at Arlington, and lets see this boy move on turf!.

16 Jul 2012 6:55 PM
ksweatman9

A moment to wish all the ponies who succumbed to injury this year farewell and thank you. I hope those who can, make it back, those who can't, a long happy life. Love you Caleb's Posse, you were so exciting to watch. You will be greatly missed. There's something about closers, they grab your heart and pull you in. Many gifted horses, different running styles, but I think the "people's choice award" goes to closers. I hope your connections do right by you, Caleb, best wishes.

16 Jul 2012 7:01 PM
nickie

Bill 2, I bet Mr. Romans has the answer to your puzzle. The guy has been pretty strong, so I think we need to give him some slack[and I applaude his decision to ride Kent back]. Steve, for me this week provides the opening of the Spa, and the Open...one of my fav, opening day memories, I believe '67[opening day was a Monday back then] I was at the nite track[across the street] and a guy tells me there's a jock that he says will "tear it up", and he has a 5 or 6 live mounts opening day. This jock won both halves of the DD[exotics were limited then], and a couple other heats...his name...Angel Cordero Jr...good handicapping to all! [aside Steve, anybody that has Maplejinsky, Gold Beauty in there family tree is got a leg up on class!]

16 Jul 2012 7:02 PM
Smoking Baby

 michelee.  I think I'm able to wrap my mind around the thinking behind Santa Anita trying to distance themselves from Oak Tree by re-naming the fall stakes schedule but I can't help but wonder about some of the name choices.  Awesome Again?  Really?  He ran in California exactly never.  Does anyone think for even one second that NYRA would ever consider renaming one of their stakes races the Cougar II, Crystal Water, Quack, Lava Man, Hill Rise, Best Pal....At least a few of these actually ran in New York.  You get my drift though.  Was there NO CALIFORNIA based star they could've named the former Goodwood after?  If not I'd have preferred them renaming the race the Baldwin Park, Colorado Place, Huntington Avenue Stakes or some other nearby street or community than after some horse with ZERO connection to California.  I'm clearly missing something here.  It's entirely possibly the choice has something to do with who owned Awesome Again and who owns Santa Anita.  I still don't agree.  Sorry for the rant.

16 Jul 2012 7:26 PM
jim culpepper

Pedigree Anne - I commented on Bloodstock in the Bluegrass that the JC should accept AQHA horses inbred to Three Bars, Top  Deck, and Beduino.

16 Jul 2012 7:30 PM
Alex'sBigFan

I love the title of this article Steve.  Great article too, just reading it I can envision the lushness of Saratoga at my desk.  I know what you mean about seeing the barns as you get off the highway.  And I love driving away at night where you can see the silhouettes of their heads in their barns.  But before we get there we have to run the Haskell!!!

Thank goodness Hansen and Payter are going to save the day and Haskell.  I was freaking when I read Bode had a fever.  But Baffert's on top of it with anitbiotics so Bode should be better soon.  I'll be thrilled if Hansen runs and I get to finally see him, I'll be hoping for a win by Hansen.  I hope the Zito trained little Hard Spun makes the Haskell.  And who is La Bernardin?  I am assuming he is a Darley owned creation, but papa is Bernardini so very cool indeed.  I'm not aware of any of them being afraid of music this year so maybe "Born To Run" can be played this year.  (ROI was scared and they did not play it in the post parade, ah, but Lucky lead the march to it, and speaking of Lucky......)

Dr. D,

You mean you missed the recent "Enquirer" tabloid article that said Lookin' At Lucky was getting so jealous of Smarty's South American escapades, that he hopped a flight to Chile!!!!  At this amazing increased shuttling rate we'll be seeing equine ticket lines at airports in no time flat!!!

16 Jul 2012 7:37 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Steve, forgot to say great point about the homebreds winning the Triple Crown idea.  I never thought of that aspect of it, that going through the sales rings and two year olds in training thing, and changing ownerships and locations at barely two has something to do with it.  If they are going from farm to owner to possibly another owner and trainer it certainly would be hard to know all those idiosyncracies of the horse.  I think you touched on something, that coupled with the meds and light two year old foundations could all be playing a part in the lack of a TC winner.

16 Jul 2012 7:51 PM
SJ

Can we preserve Spanish Riddle's track record for 3/4 another season, please?

16 Jul 2012 8:18 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Missed it but I did watch Peyton Place in the 60's.

17 Jul 2012 12:14 AM
Rachel NH

Well, Saratoga will have great races, but for pure beauty and enjoyment (and no humidity, bugs or mosquitos), give me Delmar & the ocean...

17 Jul 2012 5:50 AM
Slew

Sceptre: Modern day studs with off pedigrees...my first thought is Einstein...beautiful, talented, descended from Buckpasser, a name that is unfortunately fading from most pedigrees.  Adena South.

Susan from VA: Hmmm...Christmas in July?  Hasn't the Hallmark channel been running those movies all this month.  Perhaps Dr D. has been watching them.

Smoking Baby: Along those lines, I keep wondering why Belmont never offered a Seattle Slew Handicap...it was his home track.  And Lava Man has certainly earned the right to a stakes race in Cal.  Or what about California's magnificent stud, Unusual Heat?  He certainly deserves a tribute stakes race...and half the runners would probably be his progeny.

I was watching a rerun on HRTV of the 1992 BC Classic.  It gave me pause to wonder: are young horses watching training films?  Zenyatta surely studied the races of Silky Sullivan while waiting her debut.  And Sea The Stars must have been glued to AP Indy reruns.  2 furlongs to go, the stride lengthens and the head goes down, parallel to the track....with a determined drive to the wire.  I really do get a kick out of seeing a young colt perform in the same style of an older Champion.  It brings back such wonderful memories.

17 Jul 2012 8:13 AM
Linda in Texas

"Peyton Place in the 60's," my word that was 50 years ago. I remember it well. It was so filled with tabu things that my dad preferred his 'kids' not watch it!!! I was in my 20's. Not unlike the first time Elvis appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show on Sunday night, i didn't get to watch him as my dad had heard it would be

suggestive. He evidently had forgotten that i saw Elvis before he was on the Ed Sullivan Show in person in San Antonio. His favorite show of course, was The Jackie Gleason show. My dad sort of

had his same personality.

Steve, thank you for this article.

I have one request that i think all who are near and dear to your writings, would love to have and that is a photo of you along with  Joan and Mandy et al accompanying your party, taken at Saratoga.

Just a request, but i bet that would not be hard to do, just ask a passing stranger if he would mind taking a couple of photos

so you can share them later with the articles you will be writing.

Thank you,

Linda

17 Jul 2012 9:40 AM
Karen in Texas

I second the request for Haskin family photos from Saratoga!

17 Jul 2012 10:29 AM
billpyers

Hi Steve, I don't blame you for getting excited over the performance of Point of Entry. Hovever this horses chances of winning a major European race would be zero.This is a difficult time for American racing( various reasons not related to funding) and I wish it well.

17 Jul 2012 10:32 AM
anita b

Hi Steve,

 Great article from someone who grew up little bit north of Saratoga. My husband,also grew up even closer to Saratoga than me.

Have a question--back in the 70's, was there a horse from Canada who won at Saratoga three years in a row? May have been unbeaten at Saratoga? Seems to me there might have been.

One main reason, I believe, there hasn't been a triple crown winner-is for the reasons you mentioned and also, some of the new owners buying want(ed) instant gratification---which resulted in tracks running more sprint races and to heck with mile & quarter and two mile races. Thank heavens that Kelso never went through the sale ring--newbys would never taken the time that he needed--its a shame that his record of 5 wins in 2 mile Jockey Gold Cup (believe thats the race)will ever be challenged or broken.

If I had ever attained my dreams of traing a thoroughbred, I would have had to train for a horse I owned; have ideas that most owners would not like---unless it were someone like the Phipps family.

Enjoy Saratoga, Steve--I will be there in spirit if not in flesh.

Thanks, Anita

17 Jul 2012 10:43 AM
Steve Haskin

Michelelee, I know why they did it, but I dont like the names they came up with. They're bad names.

Linda, I never post pics of myself, because I never have my photo taken. I'll try to post something if I can get a new camera in time. My old trusty one finally its demise.

Billpyers, I never said Ooint of Entry coul win a race in Europe. I said he can give the Euros a tough time in the BC Turf, which is run in America.

Anita, I'm not sure who youre referring to. I remember La Prevoyante won 2 stakes at Saratoga at 2 and won a few races there at 4. Fanfreluche won the Alabama. Other than those I'm drawing a blank.

17 Jul 2012 11:31 AM
billpyers

I think you need to look at things globally. So because this particular horse can keep the BC turf at home then that's OK. This race is a European afterthought and winning it would be nothing to crow about.

17 Jul 2012 11:48 AM
anita b

Steve,

 I think it is one of those two fillies you mentioned. I saw one of them at Saratoga, many years ago-but can't remember which one.

Have a great Saratoga meet-all of you thoroughbred horse friends.

thanks again,

Anita

17 Jul 2012 12:11 PM
Bill Two

The last lamented time I was in Saratoga was way back in the 1970s and we stayed at the old Rip Van Dam Hotel.  What a place!  The hotel was a period place from the Civil War era including the bed.  The door to the adjoining room had a large space at the bottom so we could hear - and almost see - everything that was happening in that room. The first night we were there the heavens opened up and the noise from the pouring rain on the old tin roof made me feel as if I was trapped inside a snare drum with someone beating a tatoo on it.  The next morning I got upgraded to the Rip Van Dam Motel - a much more civilized place.  Welcome to the twentieth century.  I remember Pop Dewell's paper store where everyone went to get the Form - including owners, trainers, jocks, etc.  It was like a small town with everyone focused on horseracing. In those days you could actually book a room at the Holiday Inn just a few months prior to the start of the meet without having to take out a second mortgage.  Some day I will get back to Saratoga and take a walk to the track.  Beautiful memories of a place lost in time.

17 Jul 2012 1:30 PM
Slew

Bill Two: Great memories.

17 Jul 2012 6:01 PM
Footlick

Cassandra- Treasure Beach was spinning his wheels because the turf was baked and hard.  He likes give in his turf courses.  Don't confuse a horses performance on unsuitable ground as his true ability.  On his ground, he can finish with Point of Entry.

17 Jul 2012 7:55 PM
Paula Higgins

Lets hope Hansen stays healthy and Bodemeister recovers soon. Clearly, it is not an easy job keeping these horses healthy and in peak shape. We loved the Jackie Gleason show in my house. Peyton Place, not so much. Dr Drunkinbum, it wasn't nice of you to lump the Enquirer in with the NYT'S. At least the Enquirer is right most of the time. As for The Queen, Zenyatta, yes her victims are still racing and winning. It just shows you what an amazing horse she was/is. We will never see her like in our lifetime again. Slew, ITA with you about Blame. He was one very good horse and a nice boy from what I have heard. Friendly and liked attention just like Zenny.

17 Jul 2012 10:03 PM
Matthew W

Oceanside split 12-1 #2's!: Race #6: #2 Canyouletmedowneasy, can sit from the inside, then pounce--and in 2nd division, #2 Power Foot just might be the best horse at 12-1, not sure he will get the job done from far back, as they don't usually do at Del Mar, but I really do think Power Foot will be flying late, and will figure in the exacta! 12-1 but I think he may creep up! Ca-Ching! I'm not sayin they will both win, I just think they both will outrun their odds...

18 Jul 2012 4:02 AM
mz

anita b: La Prevoyante won every start at two, including a bunch of 2YO stakes at Saratoga, and ended up being voted HOY by one of the polls (the other two polls went to Secretariat, another pretty good 2YO you may have heard of -- 2YO's reigned supreme in '72).

I don't think she got to Saratoga as a 3YO but as a 4YO, she won three consecutive sprints there, as far as I believe.

I was upset when they had to put her down as a 4YO.  Just think of what-might-have-been: by Buckpasser out of a full sister to Northern Dancer!

I also remember Fanfreluche winning the Alabama but I'm not sure she ran as a 4YO.  Also chamption and HOY.  Luckily, she made it into the breeding shed and wow!

Both Jean-Louis Levesque horses -- hence, the Quebecois names.  I think Mr. Levesque may have been one of those who initially like a little, blocky 2YO at one of the E.P.Taylor yearling sales but passed him up for another son of Nearctic.  He ended up with Pierlou (who wasn't so bad) but he passed on Northern Dancer.

(thx anita b for making me go down memory lane!)

18 Jul 2012 12:20 PM
mz

...little, blocky YEARLING (not 2YO) at one of E.P.Taylor's sales...

Gheesh...Ineed to re-read my stuff before sending it out

18 Jul 2012 4:19 PM
Alex'sBigFan

I'm bored waiting for the Haskell so what am I doing?  Reading the pedigree of Bamboo Harvester, or Mr. Ed!!!!!  His dam, Zetna Hara was part Arabian, interesting.  I watched more episodes over the last two weekends and in one Wilbur comes into the barn one mornng and Ed has a towel around his head and his tail soaking in sudsy water in a bucket behind him!  Wilbur asks Ed what are you doing?  Ed says his hairdresser was off so he had to do it himself!  Wilbur begins squeezing the soap out of Ed's tail and Ed says, "watch it that's a tail not a mop."  Then he wanted to watch racing on TV and Wilbur had to put on Hiahleah.  Ed's neice was running again and came in last, and Ed says, "oh that's my lazy brother's fault."  And in one Ed untied a boat from a dock with his mouth, what an amazing animal he was.  Must have been quite a trainer too working with him.

Ok, back to reality.  The Haskell is not the Haskell without Baffert so hopefully Paynter is in.  I agree, a photo of the Haskin family enjoying Saratoga would be great!!!

18 Jul 2012 11:37 PM
Pedigree Ann

Sceptre - Silver Charm wasn't worked in 10 and change or a sub-22 quarter for the audience to go "oooh" over. The sales topper breezed 3f in a reasonable work time. Insanity had not yet taken over.

19 Jul 2012 11:14 AM
Fran Loszynski

I recently received a book on Saratoga Racetrack from 2005. What a treat that was for my birthday. Steve there is no better than Saratoga, ahhh Seabiscuit and that beautiful Fall scenery. Quote from Seabiscuit " How far do you want me to take the horse?---"

Answer:  "Till he stops!" Go Saratoga, thank you for the Travers and the great win of Afleet Express.

Saratoga loves Afleet Alex the way I do! Someday up the Hudson we will return, I just know it. Have you ever trailed in to the train station there in Saratoga Springs Steve? you should it is like the era of Seabiscuit surrounds you!

Go Hansen in the Haskell if you run.

19 Jul 2012 11:14 AM
Linda in Texas

Bill Two Thanks - i also enjoyed your post and am delighted you remember the 70's and your visit to Saratoga. I loved everything about it and the grandstands and

the track. Even though it was mid

December, cold and raining the first time i was there. I felt the presence of crowds and could see horses training on the tracks. And then i went back during the late summer one year and saw it all in living color.

Saratoga to me was like visiting Mackinac Island and the Grand Hotel several summers ago.

It actually was where the movie "A Place in Time" with Christopher Reeve (rip) and Jane Seymour starred in was filmed. Bill Two referred to a place in time in his post and that brought Mackinack Island to mind. Two very special places in my memory bank.

On Mackinack Island no autos are allowed, just bicycles and horse drawn buggies the only mode of transportation once you get on the island. Loved it. I bet you know how i got from place to place, not on a bicycle!:) I was in my realm of wishing i had been born 100 years earlier or maybe 50 at least.

Alex'sBigFan - I know you know i loved Mr. Ed and i watch the 'old time goodies' myself.

I know we are in for a treat when the 'Mr. Haskin Visits Spa Land' articles start appearing and maybe some up close photos of the sights.

Thank you Steve.

19 Jul 2012 12:59 PM
longtimeracingfan

Alex's Big Fan---

Your reference to Mr Ed and his alter ego Bamboo Harvester made me go look him up for myself. It's easy for me to see, no matter what else was in his pedigree, that he got a great deal of his amenable disposition and trainability from his dam's Arabian sire Antez.

Antez was from desertbred stock imported by Homer Davenport in 1906. Antez was, in his younger days, the favorite trail horse of his owner, W.K. Kellogg who was not only the cereal magnate, but also the founder of the famed Kellogg Ranch near Pomona, CA, which was, from 1926 until about 1960-62, the best source of superb riding and breeding stock Arabians. For whatever reason, Antez was sold to Gen. J.M. Dickinson in Tennessee, who did a lot with his horses as well--- in a time trial (NOT a race) Antez apparently ran faster than anybody in the breed had up to that point--- it was in the 1930s. [I'm running off memory here, no exact reference material to hand] This attracted the attention of the Polish breeders who bought him and hied him off to Poland where they did (and still do) a goodly amount of racing with their Arabians, partly as proof of physical and mental soundness. [Nowadays they breed mostly for sales to the US and other European countries, but that's not relevant here] To make a long story short he was only a moderate success there, and was sent back to the US where he lived out his life.

One of the tales told about him was that while riding Antez on a trail ride with friends, Mr. Kellogg's saddle slipped and he ended up underneath the horse, his foot caught in the stirrup. Instead of running off in fright, Antez stood there patiently waiting for his release... and when the friends finally realized Mr. Kellogg was not with them, they went back and found him still dangling under Antez, and the horse just standing there quietly waiting. Mr. Kellogg was by this time in his life (60-70s-ish), rather portly, and he was losing some of his eyesight. He always remembered how Antez behaved.

I have Antez blood [far back now] in all my Arabians, and while I can't say he has any real influence nowadays, he's still a horse well respected in pedigrees.

The other item I noted right away about Mr. Ed/Bamboo Harvester is that he was a son of a stallion named The Harvester. The Harvester was a palomino Saddlebred, tracing to some of the famous names of the breed. He was a well known parade horse in that hotbed of parade horses, southern California  --- I can remember hearing his name when I was a kid. I don't recall whether I ever saw him, don't think so? One of my neighbors had a palomino mare who was bred to him, and she had a colt which was a palomino, but he did have a blue eye which even then I did not care for. At any rate, The Harvester sired a number of foals, most of which grew up to be --- guess what --- parade horses. There are few horses tracing to him now, I only found one thin line in a cursory rundown of The Harvester's get. And those were via a half-Arabian mare so were essentially a dead end, though The Harvester did sire some full Saddlebreds. A LOT of people rode in the parades back then, full siver saddle rigs and all, and palominos were of course the stars... so many of the stallions who were parade horses were never bred, people not wanting them to be studdish in a parade situation. the original Trigger was never bred for that same reason (what a shame, in hindsight!!).

Yeah, Alex's Big Fan, I'm waiting too!!! Though I was pleased to see a full brother to a favorite of mine (Stormello, lost far too young) win half of the feature pair at Del Mar.              

Linda in Texas, I think we must be cousins or something...

19 Jul 2012 4:08 PM
sanmanmick

about to spend some time at my fifteenth straight saratoga meet.

made my first trip to spa in 1968.

cant think of a better place to spend time with friends

19 Jul 2012 8:56 PM
Householder

Record crowd at Del Mar opening day (over 47,000) on Wednesday!

Saturday brings out Acclamation in his quest for his 8th straight graded stakes win.  

His last at BHP looked pretty easy.

Let him jog out in early splits and pay the price.

Just ask the best dirt horse in the county Game on Dude.

19 Jul 2012 8:58 PM
Bill Two

Linda in Texas: Mackinac Island is indeed a magical place and could certainly understand why that movie with Chris Reeve and Jane Seymour was filmed there.  The first time I saw the Grand Hotel I thought it was a mirage.  Just like Saratoga.  Another place that harkens back to another age is Historic Track in Goshen, N.Y.  It's where the Harness Racing Hall of Fame is located and they hold a great meet there every summer that is part of what is known as the Grand Circuit in harness racing. It's like no other racetrack I've ever been to.  If you haven't been there please do yourself a favor and make a visit.  You won't be sorry.

19 Jul 2012 9:45 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Longtimeracingfan,

Wow, thanks for that history on Antez and The Harvester, that was great reading it. Did Mr. Kellogg or Mr. Dickinson or neither own the daughter of Antez (Zetna Hara) who was bred to The Harvester? Even Antez did some shuttling in those days!  Antez sounds like he was quite an exceptional and intelligent animal and am glad you can trace him in your Arabians.  So The Harvester ended up with Antez's daughter and somehow we got Mr. Ed!  

I was reading in Wikipedia also that there were two stories on Mr. Ed's death.  Alan the actor claims that Ed's trainer was away and whoever was attending to Ed thought he was in distress trying to get up as Ed was heavy, and gave him a tranquilizer which evidently killed him.  There was another horse who was a stand in later for still photos who was euthanized due to old age complications who everyone thought was Ed.  Ed's remains are thought to be scattered in California at a location known only to the trainer.  Poor guy must have returned from wherever he was and was heartbroken to learn of Ed.  I wonder if that trainer is still alive today?

Sounds like happy times back then, nothing to do they said let's have a parade!!!

Opening day at Del Mar looks so inviting wish I could be in CA.

Hope Went The Day Well is ok, another one sidelined.  And RIP Curlin's dam.  And c'mon Hansen get ready for the Haskell parade!!!

19 Jul 2012 11:38 PM
Linda in Texas

longtimeracingfan that was superb. I had not thought to look him up. That is amazing all the connections and his bloodlines.

Thank you so much. I think it was maybe seeing Mr. Ed and the horses that were ridden by Hopalong Cassidy,The Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers and Dale and Gene Autrey that started my love of horses if i were to really admit the truth.

There was something that drew me to horses and those old t v programs i never will forget nor the impact they had on me, Then i got my own horses when i was fourteenish!

And speaking of cousins, longtimeracingfan,just in the last year thru Ancestry.com i have found i do have some living second cousins. And i had great aunts and uncles and history i had no earthly idea i had.  One daughter of a second cousin rides Event Horses. Love those also. So of course that cousin i feel especially connected to. The love of horses is indeed in my bloodlines. My mother inspired me first of course.

Bill Two have never been to Goshen, NY but when i do i will have to visit their track. Thank you for the suggestion. My first "horse" book was Hambletonian which i have probably mentioned before. I still have the book and it is beaucoup years old and not a page is tattered. I treasure it. Hambletonian the horse was born in upstate New York in 1849, and he spent his entire life in Orange County, NY an hour from NYC. Though he never raced his descendents did thus in 1923 when several men got together to start trotting races they chose Hambletonian as the name for the premier race, The Hambletonian. And the book i read was all about the horse it was named after. Quite

amazing. But then again they all are. And today "every American- Bred Harness horse traces in his male line to Hambletonian. That is saying something awesome.

Alex'sbigfan, your mention of the demise of Deputy Minister is seconded. I read that yesterday and she must have been quite special and a gutsy gal with a reserve to match which was passed on to Curlin. Her owners are no doubt terribly affected by her loss at age 18 due to Laminitis, the scourge of the earth. Why can't a cure for it be found? We have lost so many great ones and not so great ones too young to that awful disease. I know that research has found ways to treat it and to lessen it's destruction but i would love to see it totally gone from a reason to lose any horse.

Wishing everyone a wonderful week end of racing. And best wishes for safe trips to all, both horse and rider.

Thank you Steve.

Linda

20 Jul 2012 1:13 PM
longtimeracingfan

Alex'sBigFan (by the way I always liked Alex, so glad to see him having some success as a sire!) ---

No, the Kellogg Ranch did not breed for partbred Arabians, they were a sort of stallion station for all of southern California and for a very long time were one of the very cream of American Arabian breeders. Later management under Cal Poly after 1960 made some unfortunate breeding choices (fad over quality). But back in the 40s, the Kellogg stallions were available to any mare of any breed (or mixture) as well as their own broodmare band and they really populated California (and the Northwest, Oregon, Washington, Idaho in particular) with some really good Arabian stock, many of which went to small owners or to work on cattle ranches and were essentially lost from sight or did not have much opportunity to breed on. They were a major US Army Remount station for many years as well. Two results of Arabian partbreds were the wonderful Appaloosa stallion Red Eagle (by the Kellogg stallion Ferras; a friend of mine, now 80, used to trail ride with his owner Claude Thompson in southern California and remembers Red Eagle well, a well conformed horse who could and would do just about any job on a ranch. The other was farther east, another Apaloosa named Peter K. I'm drawing a blank as to his sire... but the Arab stallion Borkaan (I THINK he was the sire of Peter K too) was the sire of another well known showbiz horse, Gene Autry's Champion (one of them; the main one).

Antez was not successful in Poland because they thought he sired soft pasterns; he probably did. He left only a few foals there, and one son came to the US. Back in those days a big breeding season might be five mares, so there weren't many to begin with.

Add in WWII and the aftermaths in many countries and there weren't many being bred due to lack of facilities, feeds, funds, etc., not to mention the many that were lost due to war.

But to answer your question more directly, many people brought their "grade" mares to the Arabian stallions, and though there was a registry for them, some weren't registered and their records and histories were lost. Many folks just wanted prettier horses, or better riding horses, and eventually there grew a substantial show-ring demand for them and you could see get of one stallion with entries in Western (from the QH and stock-type mares) and English (from the TB and Saddlebred and Morgan type mares), and some that did both. I'm out of the show-ring stuff these days, by choice, and have no idea what's going on there now.

OMIGAWSH, a TRANQUILIZER to a horse trying to get up? How awful.

Any newer news on Holy Candy? Isn't his dam still a pasturemate of Zenyatta and 12Z?

Linda in Texas and Bill Two ---

My late brother and his wife spent a week or two on Mackinac Island and their reaction was much like yours, wonderful relaxed ambiance, fresh air, nostalgia everywhere.

Let me add my belated agreement, Steve, that we'd all love to see a Haskin family snapshot at Saratoga. Mandy's grown up a bit since those shots with Holy Bull...  

20 Jul 2012 1:48 PM
Linda in Texas

Alex'sBigFan - you wearin' your designer blue dress and Betsy wearin' your white hat for the parade? :)

Happy Horse Racing today to you and yours from Texas where i don't have the view of New York City in my rear view mirror badly as i would love to.

Cheers !

20 Jul 2012 2:48 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Longtimeracingfan,

I'm immersed in and mesmerized by all the history you are giving us.  I love the Apaloosas too.  Red Eagle sounds like an amazing horse as well.  Sounds like the days when men were men and stallions were stallions.  The Kellogg Ranch sounds like it was quite the place.  Now every time I take a spoonful of my cereal I am going to think of all their great horse history.  And every time I watch Mr. Ed now I am going to love him even more because I now know his background.

Linda in Texas,

Yep, I'll be wearing my blue dress at the Haskell, Betsy will be home with my brother.  In this outfit I ought to escort Hansen out myself, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee!  

Going off topic, so Old Railbird is gonna darn shoot me!, but you mentioned Dale Evans and Roy Rogers.  In the early 1950's Dale Evans gave birth to a Down Syndrome little girl named I believe Robin.  Dale wrote a book, a tiny, wee bit of a book in size, but it would be so powerful that it would impact how America viewed the care of the Down Syndrome.  Dale decided to keep and raise the child at home, as did my parents who had my sister in 1960.  Both sets of parents were advised to "put the child away" and the Down Syndrome were institutonalized more often than not.  Both sets of parents disregarded the advice of the doctors and raised their children in loving homes.  Unfortunately Dale's daughter died I believe at age 2 or 3, my sister is still alive, albeit not well now, at age 50 but suffering from Alzheimer's with a feeding tube confined to a bed and wheelchair.  The name of the book was entitled simply, "Angel Unaware."  Such a befitting title, for they are angels and so unaware of their plight in life, that they are the victims of an ill-fated chromosome and most are facing developping Alzheimer's later in life into their forties.  The book recounts Robin's brief life through Robin's eyes as told by her mother.  My parents had that book in their home.  I know several of us have or had relatives with Downs.

I wish I had the view of the Hollywood Hills in my rearview mirror instead, here I pass the Big M everyday and there is NYC off in the distance.

Happy weekend to all, one week to go to the Haskell!!!!  C'mon Dr Hansen, hold a "Meet Hansen" contest!!!!!!!!!

20 Jul 2012 7:49 PM
Bill Two

Linda in Texas: Did you know that Hambletonian was a thoroughbred?  For some odd genetic reason the horse liked to trot and passed that on to his get.  Amazing but true.  It's really interesting to me that a thoroughbred is the foundation sire of the standardbred breed. They don't look thoroughbreds today, but sometimes they gallop like them - to the chagrin of the people who wager on them!  I find your posts very interesting and educational. Thanks.

20 Jul 2012 8:16 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Longtimeracingfan,

What is a Morgan mare?  I have heard that used before and in old harness racing movies as well?  

Bill Two,

I didn't know that Hambletonian was a thoroughbred either.  We learn so much here on Steve's blogs.  Thanks for that information.  What are the jumpers, standardbreds?

20 Jul 2012 11:21 PM
c/rock

Hambletonian was not a pure-bred Thoroughbred. He had a good dose of Hackney blood, which is probably where he got his talent at the trot. Hackneys have always been superior driving horses. The Morgan horse is an old American breed which was founded by one stallion, Figure, who was later called Justin Morgan after his owner. Figure was a mix of Thoroughbred and Arabian blood. He also was a superior trotter. You will find Morgan blood in the pedigrees of many American breeds, such as Standardbreds, American Saddlebreds and Tennessee Walking horses. Morgans today are a terrific show and pleasure horse, particularly in saddle seat or harness.

21 Jul 2012 10:10 AM
Linda in Texas

Bill Two i did not know Hambletonian was a thoroughbred. The the article about him i read said that "Hambletonian had the head only a mother would love." I did read up on Goshen, NY and found the Harness Museum is located there. Very nice.

Also The Morgan was the first 'documented' American Breed horse.

And in the beginning of mounted police in NYC, Morgan's were the horse of choice for that duty due to their even keeled personalities.

But before that, they were used in the Civil War, Sheridan's horse was named 'Rienzi'

and Stonewall Jackson's was named

'Little Sorrel.'  Morgans were also the horse of choice by The Pony Express and The Cavalry. An aside here is that my brother is buried in a location 10 miles outside of San Antonio off I 10 in a small cemetery that once was the 'stopping off' location where The Wells Fargo wagons changed out ponies and dropped off mail for the outlying areas. He is buried under a stand of mesquite trees in the shape of a Horse Shoe! This horse thing runs deep in my bones. Sorry.

Just wanted to mention that.

I addressed Alex'sBigFan in another email but it got too long. Will shorten it up and submit it later about our common denominator's, our family members with Down Syndrome. Lots of interests that pull on the heart strings and make one a little tough but sensitive all at the same time.

Linda

21 Jul 2012 3:09 PM
longtimeracingfan

Ole railbird, please be patient, here's a bit more off topic but if you hang in I'll get to the thoroughbred parts of my comments.

Alex'sBigFan, for many years I owned (at the beginning, by accident, but it was a stroke of good luck, we covered many happy miles together) an Appaloosa stallion named Simcoe's Just Imagine. He was bred in Canada, foaled in 1949, where he was registered as Just Imagine. He was #19 in the Canadian Appaloosa Registry! His sire, Polka Dot Prince, was #1. Here's the TB connection: PDP's sire was listed as Tommy Davis (TB). Our own Pedigree Ann was nice enough to try to find this horse for me, but to no avail. Names could have been changed or it could have been something as simple as "Tommy Davis' Thoroughbred" --- at any rate, I am most appreciative of Ann's efforts. I had a strong interest in the Appy breed for many years because of this horse, but never owned another Appy. He was a great companion, lived to past 26, and sired maybe a dozen foals that I know of, the last one at age 25. Red Eagle was one of the pillars of the Appy breed as it was being gathered up and formulated. He was a popular sire, for his color and his all around usefulness.

I too remember the story of Roy and Dale's daughter Robin. It took courage and fortitude in those days to raise a Downs child, and your parents are to be commended. I've known several Downs adults, and they have been delightful people. They obviously benefited from Dale and Roy's public efforts and the more private ones like your folks.

Also: FEW jumpers are standardbreds (though I knew one back in the 60s, named Humphrey Clinker, who would trot up to a jump, pop over, and trot off to the next, a very awkward sight!) because the trot (and even less so, the pace) are not efficient for the motion and effort of jumping. Gallopers are the best jumpers... and up until ??35-40 years ago, probably 90%+ of all jumpers (including hunters, which is a sector judged on manners, pace, and suitability for the foxhunting field; jumpers are judged solely on how they get around the course, knockdowns are penalized and the fastest clean trip is the winner, no matter how unevenly done) were Thoroughbreds. I'm sure many of those were former racehorses... the great Kelso was a field hunter for his owner for many years.

Then in the ?early to mid 70s the Warmblood breeds began to clean up in the ring. Warmbloods, in their many local and intermixed breeds, are a cross between a TB and a draft horse... the athletic ability from the TB and the larger size and the stodgier temperament from the draft breeds. ?They were ideal for the person who had to stable his or her horse at the local riding school, and did the disciplines of jumping or dressage (both suited for smaller quarters and settings, not like cattle work or racing or endurance riding). Germany and Belgium and the Netherlands were the core of this, with Sweden and Denmark having some top ones a well. The Trakehner is slightly different, as it is specifically a cross between a big coach horse breed (of the prior centuries, 1800s and maybe earlier?) and BOTH the TB and the Arabian. Traks are very often the prettiest of the warmbloods ... they are usually VERY athletic. Here's the kicker: a granddaughter of one of my original Arabian mares (who was 13 hands 3 inches on a tall day) was accepted into the Trakehner studbook on evidence of her gaits, her temperament, and her foal by a TB stallion. Go figure.

Morgans: c/rock has pretty well covered that. Except to add that I have known a lot of Morgans and they have all had very sweet, amenable temperaments; and though the original Figure was match-raced (the short sprints of colonial times, precursor to the QH races now), they are not now known for speed type athleticism, but as cowhorses they are superb and they are also the most wonderful driving and family horses.

The American Saddlebred was a combination of TB/Narraganset Pacer, TB/Morgan, TB/Hackney, TB/Standardbred, Morgan/Standardbred, and intermixings of these.

As you can see the TB historically has given a lot to the horsemen of many generations... more than is generally acknowledged.

Back under my rock for a bit. Thanks for stirring up my little grey cells...

Hope Dr. H. just lets that nice horse run, without the sideshow.  

21 Jul 2012 3:45 PM
Linda in Texas

Best looking winner today to me was Lea, a big powerful dark bay colt from Claiborne Farms, had a beautiful long smooth stride, stretched out and won. He stayed right on the rail around the last curve did not go wide nor get distracted, just a nice nice win. A Giant's Causeway colt out of a Gaileo Dam.

And good for Hard Spun, sire of The Coach Club Oaks No.1 winner and 2. place, Questing and Zo Impressive. Saratoga Race 10.

A nice race day with lots of horses in many of the races every where. Very Impressive also the number of horses entered at Saratoga.

21 Jul 2012 10:23 PM
Householder

Let Acclamation roll out in 1:12 and change an pay the price.  Should make for a very interesting Pacific Classic.  

22 Jul 2012 2:29 AM
Bill Two

Alex's Big Fan: The jumpers that compete at venues like Fair Hill, Colonial and Saratoga are thoroughbreds to my knowledge.  Standardbred is the generic term given to trotters and pacers.

26 Jul 2012 10:08 AM
Bill Two

c/rock, thanks for info about the Hackney blood in Hambletonian.  Didn't know that, but it sure makes sense. It always seemed odd to me that a thoroughbred would have a propensity to trot. I know that he was the foundation sire of the breed, but have often wondered what kind of mares he covered to begin the breed?

26 Jul 2012 10:21 AM

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