Countdown to the Cup: Saturday Longshots

JUVENILE TURF – This race is so competitive and wide open, you can pretty much pick anyone and expect a good performance. The Euros are particularly strong, with several top-class stakes horses who have finished first, second or third is nearly every top 2-year-old stakes in England, as well as France. It is difficult separating Dondonnell, Artigiano, George Vancouver, and Fantastic Moon – all talented colts with great futures.

The Americans are just as difficult to figure out, so we’re going to go with 20-1 Brown Almighty, from the same team that brought you Summer Bird in 2009. This son of Big Brown looked like a budding turf star after winning his first two career starts. He showed too much early speed in his narrow defeat in the Sunday Silence Stakes and then had a disastrous trip in the grade III Bourbon Stakes at Keeneland. He still managed to finish third, beaten 1 1/2 lengths, and was placed second on a disqualification. He should be coming up to this race in peak condition and could surprise with a clean trip. He also had a very strong gallop Friday morning and came back with good energy, showing all the signs of a horse ready for a big effort. He will be heading to Oaklawn Park for the winter and, judging by his pedigree and the way he handles the dirt in his gallops, there is no reason why he shouldn’t make his presence felt on the classic trail.

Of the Europeans, the one horse who looks intriguing at 8-1 is Artigiano, who has won only one of six, but has thrown in a couple of top-class performances, especially a solid second in the one-mile Royal Lodge Stakes at Newmarket at a mile. Frankie Dettori has ridden him in all his career starts.

FILLY & MARE SPRINT – So, who can beat Groupie Doll? The smart answer is “probably no one.” Turbulent Descent is always dangerous if she returns to last year’s form and Musical Romance won this race last year. Dust and Diamonds is very fast and is riding an impressive three-race winning streak. But Groupie Doll has turned into a freak with blinkers added and her best race beats this group.

DIRT MILE – Shackleford, Emcee, and Jersey Town make a formidable trio of favorites, and we know Bob Baffert has always been very high on Fed Biz, but one horse whose true talent is still unknown is the Canadian invader Delegation, who has been touted as something special by everyone who has ever been close to him. The fact that he’s never been on dirt, even in a workout, makes him even more unknown. But he is by Speightstown, out of a Sea Hero mare, so he certainly is bred for the dirt. If he can duplicate his synthetic and grass form, he could be an intriguing overlay at 12-1.

Speaking of overlays, seeing a horse the caliber of Rail Trip at 10-1 makes that old warrior an interesting play. This is probably his best distance, considering the brilliance he used to have, but he did draw the rail, which is a bit of a concern. But, still, keep an eye on his odds. He could be worth a play if he’s high enough and gets lucky.

TURF SPRINT – Good luck coming up with a winner of this crap shoot. There is a lot of early speed, and we always like to look for a horse to from off the pace in this race. Mizdirection is a filly running against the boys and is 20-1, but she should not be overlooked, considering her superb record – she has never run a bad race and is always right there. We also give an outside shot to longshots Great Attack, trained by sprint guru Wesley Ward, and the lightly raced Tale of a Champion, whose best races have come at less than a mile on turf and seems to coming into form.

JUVENILE – Shanghai Bobby and Power Broker look awfully tough to handle in here, and Baffert is already looking ahead to the classics with Power Broker. He also feels Title Contender is extremely talented, and off his impressive maiden victory with the addition of blinkers, you can’t dismiss him.

But if you’re looking for price horses to perhaps play in the exotics, Capo Bastone had a troubled trip in his third-place finish in the FrontRunner Stakes and he has a strong closing kick. Also, Dynamic Sky, another synthetic horse trained by Mark Casse, is coming off a strong second in the Breeders’ Futurity and should improve off that effort. But, on paper, the two favorites look awfully tough in here..

TURF – We love Point of Entry too much to play against him. With three consecutive grade I wins under his belt, he is one victory away from being the next Manila. And he does have the turn of foot to match the Europeans, so we’ll just see if gets a good trip.

Dullahan is the big unknown, going a mile and a half, as is the Japanese horse Trailblazer, who looked super finishing a fast-closing second in the Arroyo Seco Mile at distance well below his best. Slim Shadey and Turbo Compressor likely will be the pace factors and we’ll see how far they can carry their speed.

Of the Euros, we have last year’s Turf winner St. Nicholas Abbey and his stablemate Treasure each, but the one who intrigues us the most is the French filly Shareta, who couldn’t handle the soft ground at Longchanp in the Arc. But we loved her victories in the Prix Vermeille and especially the Yorkshire Oaks, and she did run big finishing second to Meandre in the Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud. Her owner, the Aga Khan, always seems to do well here and we look for her to run a big race, even though several of the Euros we’ve spoken to aren’t overly enamored with her. We certainly would consider her to play in the exactas and trifecta with Point of Entry.

If you’re looking for a real megabomb, Cogito seems to be a firm course horse, so his fourth in the Jamaica Handicap in his U.S. debut can be thrown out. But if you go strictly by his second-place finish to eventual Secretariat winner Bayrir in the 10-furlong Prix Eugene Adam over a firm course at Maisons-Laffitte then he might be worth a wager to pick up a piece of it.

SPRINT – We really don’t have strong feelings about this race, nor do any of the big longshots stand out. We like what we’ve seen of Coil in the mornings and feel he’s coming up to another big race. And his stablemate Capital Account looks to be strong as well. The big question is whether last year’s winner Amazombie is in the same form he was at Churchill Downs.

From a sentimental standpoint, we’d love to see Smiling Tiger return to prominence, and at 12-1 with Ramon Dominguez up, we feel he might just be an enticing overlay. He’s not as consistent as he once was, but on his best day he is still a formidable foe, and he has run some sensational races at Santa Anita. Whether he’s good enough now to win this race we have no idea, but he surely can be right there with his best effort.

Although he’s listed at only 6-1, The Lumber Guy was so impressive in the Vosburgh, there is no reason to think he can’t bounce back with another big one. We’d be surprised if he didn’t run huge again, even if he is a 3-year-old.

If there is any big longshot who can threaten the favorites, it could be Trinniberg, who had a super :47 work at Santa Anita, even though seven furlongs seems to be his best distance.

MILE – All eyes will be on Wise Dan and Excelebration and rightly so. But this is far from a two-horse race. No one is giving Animal Kingdom much of a shot coming off a long layoff and only one allowance race in 17 months. But this is much more gifted horse than people realize and Graham Motion seems to have him cranked for a big return. Some horses can explode when fresh and he was one of the most lightly raced Kentucky Derby winners in history. We admit it’s a tall order, but at 8-1 we would not be surprised at all to see him run a big race.

We also have a good deal of respect for the French filly Moonlight Cloud, who beat the boys in the Prix du Moulin in her last start and nearly defeated the great Black Caviar at Royal Ascot. She’ll be coming in the stretch.

Finally, we have to mention 12-1 Mr. Commons, who was taken way out of his strength in the Arroyo Seco, tracking the early pace. If he can take back and run the way he wants to and make one run, he could pick up a piece of it in the exotics.

CLASSIC – And now for the big finale, and we must confess we’re totally confused, considering we feel any one of the 12 starters can win. Game On Dude is a standout on paper, considering he is undefeated in five starts at Santa Anita.

Handsome Mike should set a decent pace, tracked by Game On Dude, To Honor and Serve, Mucho Macho Man, and Fort Larned. If these horses hook up and put enough pressure on each other it could set things up for a closer. Flat Out is the solid midpack horse and should get first run on the leaders, along with the intriguing Nonios. Then comes the next wave of deep closers Ron the Greek, Richard’s Kid, Pool Play, and Brilliant Speed.

We wrote this past week about Fort Larned and feel he is sitting on a huge effort, especially considering his past speed figures and the number of influences in his family who have excelled at a mile and a quarter at Santa Anita. We’re not thrilled with 5-1 and would hope to get better odds. We do, however, like the 8-1 odds on Mucho Macho Man, who is just now maturing into a mature, finely tuned racehorse. He only runs every 10 weeks or so and we’ll see how tight trainer Kathy Ritvo has him. He has a great post (11) and the perfect jockey (Mike Smith). Watch out for him next year when we really see the finished product.

We are going to follow the longshot premise. We love the 20-1 odds on Brilliant Speed (who we wrote about recently) and Nonios, and the 30-1 odds on Pool Play, a 7-year-old pretending to be a 3-year-old.

Nonios is a 3-year-old who is reaching his peak right now, and his solid seconds to Game On Dude in the Awesome Again and Paynter in the Haskell suggest this is a very talented horse.

In our column on Brilliant Speed we mentioned all the similarities between him and 2002 Classic winner Volponi. And as for Pool Play he is undefeated on dirt, is coming off the deep, deep track at Hawthorne, and has looked fantastic training at Santa Anita.

We will take a shot and bet all three of these horses to win and play them in the exotics, concentrating on Fort Larned, who has the acceleration on the turn that could propel him to victory. And, of course, Mucho Macho Man will have to be included. These are our top two choices in that order.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA

IMO these picks of yours in the classic should be wheeled in the DD that comprises the Mile and this the Classic as the 2nd leg.I think you can figure out who to narrow(bet two of them) it down in the first leg the Mile.If you are in lets say the Animal Kingdom camp in the Mile you can cover your entire daily double wager with a win bet on AK,and if you bet him in 2nd or 3rd depending on who comes in the triple you can make money on both bets and  cover your second leg of that double with other win bets.The betting syndicates dont hamper the double pools as much as picking 3 4 or more winners in consecutive races.For an old schooler the DD should be a bet you can handle.

02 Nov 2012 2:58 PM
hbc

i am a huge fan of horse racing and the breeders cup. i look forward to this event every year. i have just got home from the otb after fridays races and i can honestly say taht i am going to find something else to do tomorrow!

how can you possibly call this world championships when 9 out of 10 horses have no chance of winning!  if you were not within one length of the lead you might as well have stayed in the barn. these races are totally unfair. i can understand wanting good weather,but this track is ridiculous! i will not bet another dollar at a breeders cup race run at santa anita. championship races should be run on a fair track!!!

02 Nov 2012 9:18 PM
Ranagulzion

Steve,

Good luck with Brilliant Speed in the BCC. Big time jock, Mike Smith has served up an appetizer aboard Royal Delta in the Distaff (Ladies Classic) and he's coming to deliver the main course on Mucho Macho Man in the Classic. I tell you again, BS will not hit the board (that one should've been entered in the Turf).

In the Juvenile Turf Noble Tune should signal to all that he is a Turf Star on the rise. I'm expecting this colt to impress.

I like Rennesgotzip and Great Attack in the Turf Sprint, Optimizer to give Point of Entry a scare in the Turf and Trinniberg to wire the field in the Sprint with The Lumber Guy filling the exacta spot. I also like Smiling Tiger to get the show spot.

Unlike last year, ther will be no major upset in the Mile, not in a field with a super fit Wise Dan, piloted by Johnny V.  No sir, everyone else is running for the minor places. Any unlikely surprise would come from Jeranimo IMO.

02 Nov 2012 10:47 PM
Ranagulzion

By  the way, Groupie Doll looks a cinch on paper and should win but Musical Romance is coming to put up a stellar defence of her Breeder's cup sprint crown.

Horse of the year "designate" Wise Dan. Enjoy.

02 Nov 2012 10:53 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Steve

  Nice pick on the Marathon longshot winner, "the old man" but I thought you promised not to do that anymore? I guess you forgot.

Alex's Big Fan

    I am thinking about you and hope that you are doing OK. We're all thinking about the ravaged East Coast and hope that you all can get through it. Just devastating.

03 Nov 2012 12:50 AM
Old Timer

Steve,

Nice advice on both Zagora and Calidoscopio yesterday. I also like Rail Trip but not sure if he isn't more of a synthetic horse. What do you think? Shackleford just looks to be a step below his form of earlier in the year. He'll be tough nevertheless.

I also like Mizdirection. It seems that the Turf Sprint is always one of the most wide open races. She hasn't run for a while, but sure is in good hands.

Good luck to all.

03 Nov 2012 8:17 AM
Forbidden Apple

Chalk play of the day: Groupie Doll w/ Dust and Diamonds, straight exacta and w/Emcee in the double. Emcee is razor sharp and will be stalking the early pace and then run away and hide down the stretch.

Corporate Jungle has a big chance in the turf sprint at 6-1 or better, there is no Wise Dan in this field.

Fortify is my win play in the Juvenile, he should be around 5-1. The 2 turns are what he is looking for and now Ramon should have a feel for how this horse runs.

Point of Entry should love the firm turf and will win this one for the U.S.A. 3-1 would be a small gift for me, i'll take it!

Wise Dan is my play of the day and like Point of Entry, he will restore America's pride on the turf. This is by far my favorite horse in training for 2012. I think Obviously and Excelebration must be used underneath.

This year's Classic is a complete toss up, but I'm sticking with Fort Larned. I made a big score with him in the Whitney and he is far better than his Gold Cup performance suggests. I'll play him in exactas with Game On Dude, Flat Out, Ron The Greek, and Alpha.

Ranagulzion,

Mucho Macho Man will not excel at 1 1/4 miles, you should already know that about him.

What makes you think Brilliant Speed should have entered the Turf? I was a big fan of his in 2011. In 2012 he has been just as ice cold as the Albertrani barn. Nothing about his form has been brilliant, he should not have entered the Breeders Cup in any race.

03 Nov 2012 11:04 AM
nickie

price plays for me..Juv. turf...Geo. Vancouver[Aidan sez he likes to "hear his hooves",...downhill...Renee Gotzip, Mig enthused, Corporate Jungle...Renssalaer NY conditioner learned from the "magician"...Wilcox Inn all eyes were on 'Dan[and rightfully so], but this guy was lovin' life in last....good luck to all!

03 Nov 2012 11:47 AM
Coldfacts

Ranagulzion,

How are you my dear colleague? I have lost all my files with the historic data that have I used to annoy so many over the years. It is time for me to give up the  game.

I see you have highlighted the horses to be avoided and for this I express my appreciation.

Mucho Macho Man:

Are you aware that the record between THAS and MMM is 3 to 1. Are you aware that THAS was only beaten 3 1/2L in the 2011 BCC. You will recall he was out of training for sometime due to the injury he sustained in the FL Derby. He therefore entered the BCC short of the foundation necessary to win. By the way, race favorite Flat Out was only 1L ahead of him. A bigger, stronger and fitter THAS must be the horse to beat. I will be placing a token bet of Alpha as he is bred for the distance and is likely to win a big one at this distance when least expected.

Noble Tune:

Two turf victories in moderate times does not equate to star on the rise. He will not hit the board.

Rennesgotzip and Great Attack:

Who is Unbridled's Note?

Optimizer:

He only wins when the opposition is mediocre.

Trinniberg:

Another of your monsters' that has not beaten any horse of worth. Check his record.

How many horses have recorded a time of 1:23 for 7F in the bull ring at Charles Town. That's 1:23 around two turns. You need to look at the Sum Of The Parts for a possible flying Fast Bullet.

Wise Dan:

If he tries to stay close to the 1:08 pace he will be fried to a crisp. He will not know what hit him when the closers rush by.

Groupie Doll:

When a son of Seattle Slew sires a sprinter, it will take a Flying Doll as opposed to a Groupie Doll to lower the colors of DaD. Try to focus on Contested/Rumors  

03 Nov 2012 12:38 PM
Linda in Texas

Alex'sBigFan - i know the devastation and i am doing nothing enjoyable until i know all the people affected are with cover for their heads, a warm meal and a drink of fresh water.

My heart is with you and yours.

Just now checking Steve's blog and Dr. Drunkinbum's thoughtful comments are certainly seconded.

I hope you all are safe.

And of course that goes for you Steve and your relations. I hope frankly,that everyone can be safe. But sadly the news keeps getting worse as to the number of unfortunate victims.

I feel so guilty and helpless being so far away. Prayers are sent your way for sure from all of us.

Linda

03 Nov 2012 3:31 PM
Linda in Texas

Alex'sBigFan - I could not pass up watching Little Mike race today in the 3 Million Dollar Race. And guess what? The diminutive fella won. I don't own the horse, but i was pulling for him and have blogged about him before. I know in my heart he won that race for all the people who think they aren't big and strong enough to handle the tough hands they are sometimes dealt.

I hope you were able to watch him

race and that he gave you a little hope, it was truly a sweet win.

Linda

03 Nov 2012 6:49 PM
Linda in Texas

Steve i forgot to say thank you in my last post. Now i really have a reason to say thank you. You photo'd Trinniberg earlier in the week and he was sporting his red bridle and the red pom pom on his head. i thought again when i saw his photo that he is a smart looking racehorse. I have read a comment or so before about his red pom pom. But i bet they won't knock it anymore. That was a great win for a good and kind racing family, The Parbhoos. How nice. But not too bad for The Lumber Guy either to place in a Breeder's Cup Race. A gray you know and i love them all.

Thanks Steve.

Waited to hit the submit key until after The Classic. Like i said in an earlier post this week,

'glad The Tex Sutton plane remembered to stop and pick Fort Larned up in Kentucky' with the first plane load coming out of harm's way in New York. And then you also photo'd him in his stall looking pensive. And now he is The Breeder's Cup Classic Winner. Who knew? Last year at this time, i was not so happy. Z forever. And thanks again Steve.

03 Nov 2012 9:09 PM
Saratoga AJ

That was some very good handicapping Mr. Haskin. Hope you were confident yesterday and were generous with your wagers, especially in the Sprint, Mile and Classic pic 3's, exactas, and late DD.

04 Nov 2012 11:53 AM
CHIEF PICAWINNA

OK Coldfacts you are back again in time to write commentary on Wise Dan that is puzzling.

04 Nov 2012 2:57 PM
Steve Haskin

Thanks, Saratoga AJ, but you forgot the Turf Sprint (Mizdirection) LOL I laid low most of the day, saving up for the Classic, so I did pretty well there.

04 Nov 2012 3:51 PM
Freetex

Great handicapping Steve!

Now, if only I had paid a little more attention, oh well.  Next time.

04 Nov 2012 3:57 PM
Cassandra.Says

Not impossible that these thoughts led you to play Trinni/TheLG/Smiling Tiger/All.

That would be the college fund taken care of.

04 Nov 2012 5:18 PM
Linda in Texas

Steve - keeping your mentions the topic, you nailed several. Groupie Doll the winner and Dust and Diamonds placing. Then in The Turf Sprint you had Mizdirection, hooray for the lady here! Then in The Juvenile you spoke of Shanghai Bobby, right again! In The Turf you

favored Point of Entry, a favorite of mine also, but not quite to the wire first when Little Mike was in the race. Tender spot for him in my heart. So his win was amazing. You are allowed 1 mis step without a chewing out.:) Then on to The Sprint You mentioned 3

of the win place and show winners,

And had Trinniberg as a longshot to come in first. Correct again.

Now to The Mile, Wise Dan was highly touted and he did not disappoint, BUT neither did your Animal Kingdom placing. So glad to see him racing again and healed. His is a great story and Animal Kingdom finished quite smartly to finish where he did.

For The Classic you mentioned all of the win place and show contenders. The other two you liked came in to complete the top 3.  

I wrote this this morning (sunday) when i re studied your longshots and thought if i posted something else it would be rude. I hope you had a buck or two on the ones you hit on.

Royal Delta was just so classy in her win. She is a magnificent creature to watch.

Little Mike, Trinniberg and Fort Larned were there with their game faces on and it was candy for my eyes to watch them win. I will keep quiet for a while and let someone else have the floor.

Thank you Steve. Some great horses

to look forward to next year from

the looks of the races.

Linda

04 Nov 2012 6:20 PM
Bill Two

Good analysis on the downhill turf sprint and the Classic, Steve.  I had the exacta on the turf sprint primarily because I believe that past success on the downhill course is crucial. You were right on the Classic and I see where you made out all right on that race.  Question: How in the world did Tapizar win that race?  Is it possible to handicap and come up with that horse?  If so, I would like anyone to explain it to me.  LOL.

04 Nov 2012 7:01 PM
Ranagulzion

Coldfacts my friend,

You lost your files but have you lost your mind, posting those critical comments above, about my Breeder's Cup picks?  You've been away a long time therefore I think that you deserve a mulligan.  However you've got to come back in better form than you're showing on here if you intend to challenge my views for the up coming 2013 Triple Crown season.  Steve can tell you that I'm a tough customer and a "mucho macho man" for exposing his "Brilliant Speed" folly.

El Kabong & Age of Reason,

You both drank Steve's BS coolaid but now I'm having the last laugh pals (LOL).  

04 Nov 2012 8:19 PM
Forbidden Apple

Hi Steve,

I was wondering if anyone has updated news on Questing? Her effort only reminded me of the Life At Ten circus. With football or baseball player's we would have had full coverage of an injury and the athletes well being. Horse racing has a long way to go when it comes to media coverage.

05 Nov 2012 6:52 AM
Saratoga AJ

After Wise Dan's devasting performance Saturday, I just wish the Brits had the nerve to send their so called greatest horse ever, Frankel, over to the BC. They sent their second best miler, Excelerbration, who's only loses were to Frankel. That is until Dan beat him.

A 1:31.7 mile? That's only a couple of ticks off the world record. Did Frankel ever approach a time like that? Even allowing for the perhaps deeper European surfaces, it still makes you wonder.

05 Nov 2012 11:15 AM
Mister Frisky

Brilliant Speed was just seen approaching the quarter pole.I threw him in my exotics also Steve.He was the typical good looking well bred horse that never delivered.Im sure the betting public is glad he is off to stud.Hopefully Alpha is done as well.

05 Nov 2012 11:43 AM
El Kabong

Ranag,

You laugh alone. Enjoy your island.

The rest of us have a fond memory of Steve hanging your pinada up, then blasting it with an arsenal of sarcastic retorts. We all walked away with a pre halloween treat. I suspect it won't be the last time that happens.

05 Nov 2012 12:13 PM
Dr Drunkinbum

Post Halloween we saw two monsters for sure maybe more. Wise Dan and Groupie Doll sure are scary, and Little Mike was unreal, he's a little monster. He may end up in the Monster's Hall of Fame too if he keeps that up. He probably should be there already. Many spectacular performances and some great picks by future Hall of Famer Steve Haskin. Will have to start paying more attention in class. Speaking of Halloween, we had a food fight at our Halloween party in 6th grade and were allowed no more parties the rest of the year. Looks like probable future little monster He's Had Enough could end up in Japan. Glad to hear what happened to Questing, that sure was puzzling. Puzzle solved.

05 Nov 2012 4:37 PM
Alex'sBigFan

Linda in Texas, Dr. D. et al,

Hi guys!!!  Finally getting through.  Geeeeeeeez, I'm in war-torn New Jersey.  It has been badlam to say the least, people with no power STILL, no gas, gas lines today are still horrendous, devastation all over.  I was fortunate and had power throughout the ordeal but ran out of car gas and had no power at my corporation for days in Jersey City.  Yes, the coverage of the BC stunk, but I am grateful for the replays on TVG and Ch. 4 came in at the last opportunity.  Unfortunate the coverage.  I missed "The Works" which I just love, does anyone know if TVG even had it?  They had the 2 preview shows which I caught.

Finally after days of no car gas, my brother came to get me and we went food shopping since my husband is in Morocco all during the storm and still there so I weathered it alone.  I'm fine, safe, all my family is safe thank God.  If you have food and car gas you feel like you have a million bucks this week.  It's unbelievable.  As I drove in to work today, Monday 11/5 every gas station I saw had long lines.

Royal Delta, simply awesome.  I knew it.  And Shanghai Bobby was a good little 2 yr. old.  I guess Dude is pooped out, he's had a busy year.  Flat Out looked really on his game when I was at Belmont for the JCGC so I figured him in the money.  Great job by Wise Dan but Animal Kingdom to take 2nd after 2 career setbacks is huge I thought.  Exciting but watching in NJ after the fact certainly takes  a lot out of it.  Why didn't Ch. 4 pick up the entire BC?  

Linda, yep, Little Mike awesome and not so "little" anymore.

Thanks guys I was thinking about all of you guys watching the BC and enjoying it.  Steve I hope you and Joan and Mandy were safe througout the storm in NJ.  We in northern NJ were spared, apparently southern NJ is unrecognizable as we knew it.

So glas to be back and will be back later in the week.  Much work to catch up on.

05 Nov 2012 5:55 PM
Pik4Joel

Hi Steve - really nice to meet you and Lenny at SA - your picks were very close to my own - Trinniberg kills the late Pik 4, but got a solid late double to get out...A side note: you got me to go to Lost and Found to search for the Starlight Stables jacket - I figured this was my big chance to claim some of the upper-crust swag left behind by the Drunk Riche...Um, what I found was that there were two sweatshirts, one a Redskins pullover with what looked to be chicken marsala sauce spilled on it, the other a Russell Athletic sweatshirt like I had in 8th grade...The selection of walking canes was pretty cool - there was one that had an elkhorn handle that I was tempted to claim, but then I would have ruined my karma and broken my leg on the steps leading to the Press Box, so I left...No jacket, but I bet you could find another - I also bet that Shareta would win, so I am not too reliable, but a bigger fan of you guys than ever - thank you for your kindness and sense of humor...Regards to Lenny, see you next year! We will go to the Monrovia Pizza Company for some delicious pie - my treat! - Best - Joel

05 Nov 2012 8:23 PM

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