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Rethinking the Breeders' Cup

By Valerie Grash

As a fan, call me underwhelmed. The Breeders’ Cup returns to Churchill Downs in 2010 (but perhaps only if the state of Kentucky can be extorted into extending a pari-mutuel tax exemption), and, once again, horse racing has missed the boat in terms of updating what has become, unfortunately, “the” defining event of America’s thoroughbred industry. The time has come to either totally rethink the Breeders’ Cup event or eliminate it altogether—for the good of the sport of horse racing.

Once upon a time thoroughbred owners actually campaigned their horses throughout the year, with major stakes races as targets and champions decided by the sum total of their achievements, not a single race. Sadly, as the breeding industry in this country as evolved into a nearly out-of-control entity—breeding horses to breed, not to race—the all-too-appropriately-named Breeders’ Cup has become nothing more than a much-desired notation on sale catalog pedigree pages. It is truly a group of races for breeders, not for fans, as star horses often run as little as possible as they aim for the BC, resulting in a litany of historic races with short fields light on talent and with very little actual competition.

To make matters worse, the Breeders’ Cup does not even do a good job marketing itself. Calling itself the “World Championship of Horse Racing” is a complete public relations snow job (not to mention a tad jingoistic) as very few of the truly great overseas runners show up, unlike the Dubai World Cup which provides financial incentives for genuinely international fields. The so-called “Win-and-You’re-In” races (which guarantees a spot, but not payment of hefty entry fees) are neither well-planned out over the course of the racing year, nor complete enough in every category (such as female sprinters, etc.) to guarantee even a casual interest by fans—and key races are not broadcast on a national television channel. Come October, the offensive “Filly Friday” not only segregates a race card by gender to a day not traditionally associated with stakes-quality racing, but also is relegated to lowly ESPN2. Only four of Saturday’s races (the ill-named Marathon, Turf Sprint, “Dirt” Mile and Turf Mile) are worthy of ABC; the much-lesser watched ESPN gets to air the crème de la crème races—from 3:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. ET.  Do not even get me started on the marketing geniuses who indicate that their “research” finds people do not know the meaning of “distaff”, yet agree that anthropomorphizing horses by calling them “Ladies” is somehow inoffensive.

I know the sport of horseracing is no longer an integral part of the American psyche as it was in its heyday, replaced by “sports” such as poker, BMX racing and ultimate fighting in broadcast and print media. That does not mean it has to remain so. Tinker with the Breeders’ Cup format from top to bottom, or abolish it altogether, because as it exists now it does very little for the sport beyond filling the pockets of breeders, bloodstock agents and pinhookers. The aging fan base is not being rejuvenated with enough younger fans as things stand. It is time to think outside the box, to shake up an institution that has, to be honest, lost its way.

From BC-specific to broader industry changes, here is what I propose:

•    Instead of holding the event at only one track every year, spread it over several weekends and several venues. Share the pageantry, the carnival-like atmosphere with as many racing fans across the country as possible. Have dirt races on dirt tracks, like Churchill, Belmont, or Oaklawn. Hold turf races run over the magnificent courses at Arlington or Woodbine. Allow artificial surface specialists to run over their preferred surface, at Santa Anita, Hollywood or Keeneland. Three meets, spread over three weekends, at three different venues. Thus, no one could worry that a Classic run over Pro-Ride puts dirt horses at a disadvantage—and neither Jess Jackson (and Curlin) nor IEAH (and Big Brown) would have any legitimate reason to avoid one another due to concerns about the surface. Run horses on the surface that best suits them, whether turf, dirt or the artificial stuff.

•    Establish a point system and chart standings for horses racing throughout the year. Award points for racing in graded stakes, and continually publish rankings based on accumulated points. The BC races would be part of that system, and establish an agreement that end-of-the-year awards such as the Eclipse be based on total yearly performances, not a single race. Members of the TBA (http://thoroughbredbloggersalliance.blogspot.com/) and individual bloggers such as Kennedy’s Corridor (http://kennedyscorridor.blogspot.com/) have advocated the use of standings for years. Let us think seriously about it as a method of sustaining fan interest—emotionally invested fans draw in family members, friends and acquaintances as new fans through their enthusiasm for the sport. Give them something to invest themselves in more than just a couple days a year.

•    Additionally, there must be a consolidated effort throughout the year to schedule properly races nationwide, both by date and by post time. Not only do fans crave this, but so too do bettors. Bigger, more competitive fields result in bigger pools worthy of risking one’s money against other horseplayers. How many times this year did major stakes races go off with fields of five or less horses? A better job needs to be done to ensure large fields, even if that means lessening the number of races, race dates and even racetracks. Mies van der Rohe’s adage “less is more” is so apropos to horseracing. More quality racing, from bottom-level claimers to Grade 1 stakes, will result from lessening the number of races run, thus leading to bigger fields and better competition overall.

•    The “less is more” concept should apply to the Breeders’ Cup races themselves. For example, are there enough races run at 12 furlongs and above to warrant a “Marathon” race? In Europe and Australia perhaps, but American racing appears to favor 8.5 to 9 furlong races. If you want to continue to have a “Marathon” race, then make it a real marathon—two miles at least. True stamina needs to be reintroduced into American bloodstock, and rewarded. I recognize that if my first suggestion were implemented—scheduling three meets of races at three different venues—it would result in an increased number of BC races, and that is justified. Tossing in juvenile turf races just because you can hardly appears rational when so few juveniles are tested in graded turf stakes.

Conceptually, the Breeders’ Cup should be a series of races that serve as a platform for displaying the sport’s best horses for the racing fan instead of a monolithic self-indulgent money-grab for the breeding industry. If the sport does not once again focus itself on breeding to race—and actually race those horses—then the sport dies. It is as simple as that. Maybe the Breeders’ Cup needs to go the way of the dinosaurs as well.

45 Comments:

Well said Valerie, my sentiments exactly. The Breeders Cup races are becoming something totally different then what was originally intended. It is almost like it is being conducted like a college or pro sports playoff system. Horses are not durable anymore, they are bred to be specialists. The industry is ruining what it thinks it is protecting. I have been a racing fun for over 50 years. I have seen most of the great ones run and I have never seen anything more demoralizing then what is happening to this once proud sport. There was a reason why horse racing was called " The sport of Kings". My bright spot this Breeders Cup is being able to watch Curlin and Zenyatta run. These two horses are throw backs to a once great and beautiful sport..............

The Deacon 11 Oct 2008 1:37 PM

i think having it at same track 2 years in a row on synth. track was a bad move.i think they should run all races on one day.tracks run 12 and13 race cards all the time.having it at 3 different tracks or 3 different weeks would make people lose interest.racing needs 2 things. more gamblers and a breeding law.lets face it the gamblers are the fans.if there was no betting there would be no racing.see how many people come with no gambling.the breeding law should be no horse can breed before 6 years old.they will race longer because if they retire at 3 then they make no money for 3 years and people forget a horse who has not been seen or talked about in a few years.  

ace 11 Oct 2008 1:50 PM

Wow!  I agree with some of what you say and you said plenty.

It is clear at this point that some horses prefer dirt and hate synthetic and vice versa.  There are several different types of synthetic surfaces, but, for now I would settle for just saying there are three surfaces, Turf, dirt and synthetic.

I do not think it is fair for a horse like Curlin and many others who have proven themselves over dirt and then all of a sudden have the rug pulled under their feet, so to speak.  This Big Brown-Curlin matchup has some of its luster taken away imo, because they are both racing on an unknown surface.  Without a doubt their should now be three recognized surfaces and this ( pressuring someone to run their horse where they haven't trained for ) should never happen again ( although it will again next year ).

Having said that, I am not totally negative to synthetic surfaces and will need many more years to decide overall on it merit.  For me the problem would end if we just stopped calling synthetic races dirt races and just make a new category.  The DRF and some other publications have taken steps but there is more to do.  We still try to mix and match to much and their is more than enough evidence to say they are completely different surfaces (dirt, synthetic and turf ).

Based upon what I just suggested above it would only make sense for the Breeders Cup to have several different venues as you suggest ( no other way to handle the problem of surfaces since no tracks to my knowledge have all three surfaces available for racing ).  This, ( different venues ) as you say, would avail the BC to open up plenty of new races ( for synthetic runners ), so they get what they want and it is justified.  The fans get more great matchups spread out over more time ( but with more races added, probably no less great a day, per day ) and the trainers and owners get to run their horses on what they have trained them to run over.  It is a win, win, win, imo.

Plenty more I would like to add but this is getting long, so next time.

Cash 11 Oct 2008 2:13 PM

That is the most sensible bit of writing I've ever come across regarding the Breeder's Cup. Kudos.

Catherine 11 Oct 2008 2:22 PM

Amen. As a long long time fan and suppoter, I couldn't have said it better myself. You got my vote.

SundaySilenced 11 Oct 2008 2:27 PM

Outstanding piece.

Not only will I abstain from betting the Friday card, the usual syndicate I put together ($700-$900)to bet the Pick Six, will not play Saturday either.

Let them keep breeding all the Green Monkey's they want and carding GI's in their honor.  This Sisyphean exercise will shake out all the bettors soon enough.

Then what?

Managing director

Black Watch Stables LLC

Michael N 11 Oct 2008 2:33 PM

You got my attention.  Many good suggestions on first look.  They ought to put you on their "research" committee.  Thanks

Bob Bradburn 11 Oct 2008 2:47 PM

You said a mouthful here but the one sentence that stands out to me is "sadly, as the breeding in this Country has evolved into a nearly out of control entity-breeding horses to breed,not to race" speakse volumes to me.  We wouldn't have to create a "3rd"surface if this fundamental problem would be addressed. This is where the problems begin.

karen2 11 Oct 2008 4:13 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, especially about breeding breeding stock, not race horses. It is still called "Horse Racing" not "horse breeding" is it not? I have a mare that I plan on breeding, every 2nd year and I plan on gelding her colts and RACING them. I think your idea of a points system throughout the year makes way more sense in picking champions. Horse racing needs some major changes.

Andrea 11 Oct 2008 4:32 PM

By creating a points system you are rationally asking that this sport do what other sports do. This would allow casual observers to more easily identify leaders and feel what is on the line for the runners in a particular race.

By asking for the Breeders Cup to be 3 days at 3 tracks to showcase the best runners on the 3 surfaces, you are rationally addressing the issue that horses like Curlin face.

That'd give the breeders 3 days of racing at a BC, hence 3 days of full cards for opportunities for them to breed a winner of a BC race. Rational way of including the breeders into your proposal.

It's also rational to spread the wealth of BC hosting, so as to avoid cronyism and to provide an opportunity for regular tracks to have a shot at being included. Gulfstream, Oaklawn, heck let's give Hialeah a reason to stick around.

Rational. That's not a word our industry embraces. Ideas that are rational don't get much of a chance.

I for one can't bet on synthetic tracks. I'm terrible. So my money is not on any of the BC races other than turf for the next two years. Exactly how is this back to back Cali hosting a good idea, when veterans of the industry refuse to bet on the 'championship day'?

I hope folks with the power to influence actually take what you wrote to heart....and to their board meetings.

Jen 11 Oct 2008 4:57 PM

One wonders what we (horse owners) are paying for with our NTRA dues (paid by the tracks and the horsemen's association). No single wagering platform; no regular coverage on TV -- not even the fabulous day of stakes across the country on Sept. 27; and handle that, no surprise, continues to fall.

Perhaps the ongoimg train wreck that is this year's auction sales will wake up the breeders, and at least open the door to some rethinking.  Once can only hope.

Steve Zorn 11 Oct 2008 5:03 PM

I couldn't disagree more.  Believe it or not, as many people will watch on ESPN and ESPN2 as would on ABC - those networks have become ubiquitous.  Moving it to multiple tracks would really dilute the series.  The 1 1/2 mile dirt race is one of the best ideas they've ever had.  The breed and sport have really suffered by the elimination of long dirt races in this country.  Hardly a shock that the top US sire today, A.P. Indy, won the Belmont.  But with so few long races available, more and more owners are skipping the Belmont.

I disagree with the whole "synthetics are ruining everything" argument.  There's as much difference between various dirt tracks as between dirt and synthetics - and therefore the variety of synthetic surfaces don't bother me, either.  Truly great horses can run on anything.  Those who cannot simply have to accept their lack of greatness.

The only thing I agree with you is on the Friday card.  The distaff races should not have been segregated.  But other than that, no.  Juvenile turf races are a great thing - and to say we should base the BC races only on what currently is run is ridiculously limiting.  I guarantee you that over the years we'll see more long dirt races and juvenile turf races BECAUSE the BC is running them.  Bravo, BC!

GSOBadger 11 Oct 2008 5:05 PM

I'm a young fan of the sport who, via a summer job at (lo and behold) Santa Anita, wants to grow and become one with the racing industry. Unfortunately, I notice I am a rarity among my generation. I tried to get friends involved and struggled to gain the interest of penpals, but no doing. The sport needs to do something if they want to gain the attention of a generation lost in computers.

As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with almost everything you said about the Breeders Cup. I was not interested in the sport or alive for the BC's "glory days", but from what I've seen, even as a newcomer, it's pathetic compared to its older runs. Two days? That's fine, but Friday?

If this sport wants to gain the attention of a young audience, they've failed already. We're students. Unlike me, most young adults won't skip school for a day at the races--not to say I do it often. I, too, felt appalled when they made Friday a "filly day". The least they can do is move the DISTAFF, as it should remain, to Saturday. Why disgrace such incredible mares simply because they're female? They shouldn't HAVE to compete in the male races to be seen by a public that actually has work and school to attend to during the week.

I don't think the decision over the track was a bad one, I just think it was too abrupt. I applaud the sport for trying to teach people more about synthetic surfaces and save the horses (especially after the BC's tragic history), but synthetic is still too young. Throwing the horses on it and believing it will save them is wishful thinking. There are always accidents. Over its last meet, Saratoga, a dirt track, had less breakdowns then Del Mar, a cushion track. Research still has to be done before it can be deemed "safer".

If synthetic is going to become another main track surface, however, I would recommend a "classic" just for that, since it's spreading unreasonably fast. We have one for turf and dirt runners, why not add another? Horses like Zenyatta and Curlin should not be limited on a surface they dislike just because a BC race is run on dirt or synthetic. There should be options.

Thus, I end my long tyrade of a reply. Bravo on the entry; thank you for standing up for the sport like a true fan!

Sincerely,

A measly hotwalker

Tracy W. 11 Oct 2008 5:23 PM

bravo! However, your idea is missing one piece- the sport needs a central governing body. Otherwise, rearranging the graded races with all the different kangaroo courts would be like herding cats. It's time for racing to bow to a national czar.

goodwin 11 Oct 2008 5:48 PM

one of the problems facing racing today is attracting new fans. why hold a major race day which is designed to showcase the creme de la creme on a Friday when most of the people you're trying to attract are at work?  if you want to attract people to come out and see the star distaffers then it doesn't seem to make any sense to race them on a day when folks either can't get out to the track or get to a tv before 5pm - at which point it's all over anyway.

lookoutmama 11 Oct 2008 7:32 PM

For all of you calling for a racing czar or governing board, The 2 day format of the Breeders Cup is the brainchild of the Breeders Cup Ltd with the blessing and backing of the NTRA. The same people who a lot of you have called on to be the governing board.

Just like the complaints about one person oveseeing the economic bailout the same can be said of racing.

It works in Pro sports(well maybe not that well just look at what has happened in the NBA, the strikes/lockouts in NHL, NFL and MLB). The difference in racing between those sports is each team is like a company and the players their employees. The 'players' in horse racing are all private entities, no salaries, no common benefits like 2,000 companies at each race track, then the track itself is another company.

At any rate it's these same overseers that have morphed the BC into something lesser than it should be. First by stretching it to two days, and then forcing people to buy tickets as a package. Second making Friday a 'ladies' day then saying because they're targeting the very worthy Susan G Komen Foundation as the beneficiary of the charitable contributions, that makes it okay.

Third, giving it to the same track two years in a row, not allowing a different track and city to garner the benefits of the special day, making it less special. Just put the Olympics, Superbowl, Final Four in the same place every time, soon it'd diminish those as well. Even people visiting would burn out on the same city, why do we take vacations to different destinations. Lastly, the exhorbitant entry fees, even if you win a Win & In race. Guess they figure the winner will plug all their winnings back into the supplement for the BC (not, take the money and run). Maybe they should say the horses are only eligible for the WAYI races if the horse is nominated for the BC. That would get the best horses in and make the WAYI races have some meaning, we could follow along the whole year.

InTheMountains 11 Oct 2008 8:02 PM

Well put.  The Breeder's Cup has consumed racing and relegated well-regarded and historical stakes to "prep" status. And now, with the deplorable "win and your in" system, horses with no business against top company are getting in.

sweeper 11 Oct 2008 8:31 PM

Excellent writing.  The only part of your peice that will probably not be taken seriously is the part where you say have the races at 3 differant tracks.  Thats part of the "Lure" is having them at one track.  I don't like the fact that the ladies classic is not 1 1/4 miles.  The Marathon race is a grat idea.  The person who remarked that is it any wonder that the leading sire is a Belmont winner {A.P. Indy}.  We need to establish stamina as a minimum requirement for our stallions.  Those who breed to Storm Cat every year are probably not breeding for stamina.  The synthetic tracks are not catching on like everyone thought they would, or at least not as fast.  The Tiple Crown tracks will never switch to synthetic surfaces, and as long as they don't, the breeders will still look for the Triple Crown Winner before they look for a turf horse.  Synthetic tracks have their place, but not in the Breeders Cup.

Robert 11 Oct 2008 9:12 PM

I agree the "Ladies" Friday is awful.  I don't really see anything good about it; the fillies don't deserve to be split up, and certainly not on a work-day Friday when many fans won't even get to watch.  

However, I do think the original ideas of the BC are valid.  I think it's great to have one big event where the best horses compete together.  It's a goal to strive for each year.

As for the Marathon-- dumb name, but bravo for at least *trying* to bring back some distance.  You say that we should "breed to race," yet you slam the 1.5mi distance.  This country needs MORE distance races, and a big championship could give some the incentive to go a bit longer.  Yes, right now the race isn't really competitive, but let's hope it can build into something as worthy as the Classic.

Everblue 11 Oct 2008 9:18 PM

I agree completely with your idea of a point system. Both of my children are male and where I work is mostly men. I can tell you those guys can get excited and starting spitting stats and numbers at the drop of a hat. Sure, racing fans look at speed numbers or racing stats, but a point system is something that anyone, new fan or old, can pick up quickly that would have meaning. And if the points differed with the grade of the race - like 4 points for a grade I, 3 for a grade II, it would also indicate the quality of the wins.

Karen in Indiana 12 Oct 2008 12:16 AM

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Bellwether 12 Oct 2008 1:00 AM

I agree with most of whats said here,I truly didn't understand why they decided to have just a filly day. Its so stupid!, and why friday? wouldn't saturday and sunday be better. I can't take off work just to watch some racing, since my hometown lost its only racing facilitiy and only place to wager I will just tape both days and watch later. Yes I do understand that I can wager online if I so choose but comming from someone who has had their indentity stolen off the intranet from a supposedly secure sight and the high risk of scams like the pick six fiasco a couple of years ago. I would urge people to stop using these online wagering sites as I think its doing as much to hurt the sport as anything else. If your at home on the computer your not supporting your local track, if have one that is. Also has anyone noticed how short on content the coverage is...specifically ABC (more commercial and fluff than actual racing) I happen to like ESPN's coverage most of the time but agree that it should be showcased on networks like NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX...ect channels that everyone has. Not everyone has ESPN2 without having to pay the cable/dish provider extra each month just to be able to watch a few days of racing. The major networks have abandoned horse racing and as fans we should be asking why? is it because of the horriffic breakdowns we've seen in recent years or the reports of all the positive drug tests but the guilty parties get nothing more than a slap on the hand. No consistent governing body to enforce regulations from state to state I.E. Lasix. Yes the breeders have got out of control but its not the whole problem and there are no easy anwsers.

rowner 12 Oct 2008 2:55 AM

Why they are at it how about yearling races?

MikeM 12 Oct 2008 6:59 AM

I have to agree with a lot that has been written.  I just wonder if Dr.Fager, Kelso, Native Dancer, and even Secretariat would have been awarded Horse of the Year if there had been a Breeder's Cup in their day and they did not win.  We all have our off days and one never knows what will transpire in a race.  I can't believe that the winner of the Classic would be the horse of the year.  At least that is what it appears to be.  It has become like a Presidential Election. Thank heavens all the wonderful horses we have competing this year can't read the Racing Form.  Thank you Valerie for your comments!

Hawkeye 12 Oct 2008 2:50 PM

PERFECTLY SAID! Congratulations on a well thought piece.

Nothing more need be added; racing is its' own worst enemy and is proving that daily. My heart is breaking over this, but unless someone delivers a LARGE kick in the backside to the breed-to-breed folks, et al, we're done. Just stick the fork in and serve us up.........

needler in Virginia 12 Oct 2008 4:34 PM

Santa Anita 2 years in a row!  Next, Churchill 2 years in a row. Despite the terrible weather, Monmoth Park was such a pleasant change.  I agree, change the times, the places, just do something different.  What a shame that venues such as Saratoga or Keeneland are too small. A late summer Breeders Cup or cool Fall Breeders Cup would be great. The courses & facilities are immaculate.  

keenelandcat 12 Oct 2008 7:03 PM

Hello Valerie...What I am so non-plussed about regarding all of these blogs that THE BLOOD-HORSE offers for reader response is whether or not the leaders/executives in racing take the time to actually read what racing fans are saying and how the game can be improved..or even saved for that matter of fact..We all weigh in on an myriad of subjects..certainly covering the gamut..including myself virtually on an daily basis here..and yet I have thus far never seen anyone from management of any race track..association..organization.. NTRA..TRA..racing commissions et al ever respond to these blogs w/their own comments and perhaps and hopefully either agree or disagree w/these thoughts.....At least there will be intelligent dialog..In essence all we are really doing here is communicating among ourselves and venting our emotions and thoughts..However its really going no where..Can someone kindly perhaps answer why these track officals..everyone whom operate the game and is essentially an decision maker..someone whom can make  things happen..answer us..as we are the fans whom support them and pay their salaries and keep them in business...This mentality cannot represent the real world..Perhaps I am being to assumptive in thinking that they can actually read? Thank you always for your kind window..Regards.. Steve Stone..East Hanover.. New Jersey..

STEVE STONE 12 Oct 2008 11:39 PM

Maybe I misunderstood your suggestion. How is it a championship day... OK, two days... if it's spread over different tracks on different days?

I would prefer the specialist races to be on Friday and the others on Saturday, not relegating the female races to Friday so that I don't get to see Zenyatta live, which sucks!  and I would prefer the name "filly and mare Classic", as frankly Distaff and Ladies' Classic are both sexist and the latter sounds like a golf tournament.

I like the new races, but hope they don't add any more now so as not to dilute the product. The Marathon is a huge step in the right direction and the 2YO turf should attract some good overseas competitors.

Who the heck has ABC but not ESPN..?? No one. ESPN does a better job. Though I'd watch the whole thing on TVG given the chance.

Synthetic surfaces: Just wish everyone would stop whining. Hollywood and Santa Anita play just like dirt. Only a tiny minority of horses don't like them, and what happened to "champions can run over broken glass"?

I guess that I just don't get the negativity that seems to pervade the world of horse racing. We have great horses. The industry is trying to address the problems that exist. Yet for some people the glass is half empty and what's in there is steroid-spiked poison. I for one plan on going to the BC on Saturday and even though I am disappointed not to get to see the female races live I think it'll be an awesome experience.

Kyri 13 Oct 2008 1:30 AM

Valerie .... great article and nice to see all those who responded with their views.

We, as the normal everyday people can see changes are needed , but it is those at the top who are resistant. Sorta sounds like the corporate / government world, doesn't it.

I had suggested a few years ago about changing the format of the Triple Crown. My idea was a " point " basis , not money earnings. This point system would also help in deciding who was eligible for awards at the end of the year. I received positive feedback about my idea back then, but presently , we are still stuck in the same ole rut.

Why is it , we can change the track surface for the welfare of the horse .... BUT ... we can't change the system for the welfare of the racing industry and it's fan's ?

Let me toss something out to you. Let's flip - flop the Breeders Cup & The Triple Crown. Have the Breeders Cup in the SPRING ....... on a Saturday & Sunday. The colts would run on Saturday and fillies / mare's would run the following day ( Sunday ). It could be held the first Saturday in May, taking the place of Kentucky Derby day. Yes, a radical change moving the Derby.  

During the year, we'd have more contender's running towards the Triple Crown in the FALL !! You'd get more fan interest during this time period. More horse's running , and at same time maturing in age. The Triple Crown would still be three ( 3 ) year olds. The Kentucky Derby could be held First Saturday in September , followed by the Preakness on first Saturday in October and Belmont held first Saturday in November.

I know, the next question is ...... but the Preakness is held at Pimlico and The Belmont at Belmont race track , and what if those tracks aren't open in the fall ?

Folks, did they not hold The Breeders Cup at Monmouth last year after Monmouth was officially closed for their regular racing season , but they reopened it for The Breeders Cup.  Pimlico and Belmont can do the same thing.

Is it set in stone, that the Preakness & The Belmont should ONLY be held at those tracks ? The Preakness & Belmont are ONLY the names of the races. Yes, I know, tradition.  But think about it, having The Triple Crown at end of year will have an older, more mature three year old and more horse's in contention for The Triple Crown.

I don't have to tell you about the dwindling fan base. The only way to resurrect racing to what it used to be is to make change's; change's for the good of the industry , the fan and the horse.

UCLinden 13 Oct 2008 8:46 AM

I like the majority of the suggestions although I'm not sure what I think about having the BC at several different tracks over the course of a few weeks.

Personally I thought the BC was just fine and didn't require any changing at all. I'd be more than happy to see it revert back to the 8 races on one day format.

They can leave the FM Sprint I suppose since it's an Eclipse division now but the other races are unnecessary and they dilute the quality of what is supposed to be a championship event.

Kennedy 13 Oct 2008 11:25 AM

UCLinden,

I've seen you suggest some radical things but this is the worst.

Why in heavens name would we take the ONE race that millions upon millions watch, are interested in and move it? To try and get people who won't watch horse racing if their life depended on it to suddently become interested?

One of our big fan bases that are non-gamblers are women. My various buddies with kids say their wives are so busy in the fall they have no time to do anything. The guys get involved in all the same stuff too. Hauling the kids to their activities, helping with homework, trying to spend family time together on the weekends.

The Kentucky Derby Labor day weekend???? The last Holiday before school starts in some places or the last while Summer is still here? You've just cut into the fan base further.

Let me tell you about the fan base. The 20-40 something males that make up the majority of sports fans don't like horse racing for whatever reason. If they aren't gamlbers they don't see a huge amount of 'beauty' in the animals. Right or wrong that's just the way it is. Don't believe me? Just look at the way Jim Rome used to bash racing, until he became an owner. Mike Francesca talked about the Belmont and all the stories surrounding it. BOTH guys get/got harrassed to the max by that fan base whenever the subject of racing comes up.

Also your comment about the names of the races is condescending, duh like the majority of people on here don't know that. However, I doubt Belmont Park would release the name to use on a Triple Crown race. Not sure Pimlico would do that with the Preakness name if a different track was to hold the race. So let's just change the dates, change the tracks, change the names. Have the races on the Eastern seaboard in the fall and almost always guarantee bad weather, change tracks and what do we have anymore? Change the names and it's just another race.

Hey why don't we start calling the World Series the Fall Super Championship of Baseball, have it in April.All so logical (sarcasm).

As far as the BC at Monmouth, well Belmont has held the BC a number of times. You seem to forget that you're talking to racing fans on here and a small number of owners and trainers.

As far as having more horses, more mature running let's ask some of the RACE HORSE trainers how hard it is to keep a horse together for that long. Just come out and say you want to run the Triple Crown races as 4 year olds. All of these changes would destroy any remaining mystique, credibility or lure IMHO. They'd become just like every other ill-attended horse race in the country.

The Breeders Cup, which by the way was great when they started it, in the Spring would flounder like it does now. Us gamblers love all the stakes races together like that. The average fan doesn't have time to watch that many races over that many days or that long of a day. My suggestion is to move the core races back to Saturday, move the new-ungraded races back to Friday. Do away with all non BC races on BC day and shorten the time between posts. Like In the Mountains said,(a horse owner by the way, according to another blog) the same people that would most likely be the governing board made all these wholesale changes, we see where that's gotten them. Right, let's let them do the same thing to the TC.

BIGHORSEFAN 13 Oct 2008 11:25 AM

Kyri, A lot of people don't have cable or satellite, frankly a lot less are going to have it in this economy. That sounds elitist to say that. An even bigger uproar occurred when Mon nite football was moved to ESPN.

Maybe a lot of coincidence that the viewing #"s declined so dramatically when they first took it over, but doubt that. The commercials on network are maddening enough without the ESPN running the same add 3x in a row.

UC,

The NORMAL (well that's questionable) average everyday people have no idea what it takes to keep a race horse sound, running at the top of their game. Nor do NEP have any idea what it takes to put one of these events on. Just like an armchair quarterback, it's so easy to tell everyone how to do things when it's no skin off of your back if it all blows up in their faces. You'll go on with your life and maybe miss racing once in a while. Meanwhile, you're messing with other people's lives that don't actually affect you one way or the other. Sort of like the government.

Bradgm 13 Oct 2008 12:01 PM

Horse of the Year: Curlin

Best 3 yr. old filly: Proud Spell or Music Note???

Best 3 yr. old colt: Big Brown-only IF Casino Drive does not win the Classic,  and he has a good shot.  The rest,  draw names from a hat and you'll probably do a much better job than the actual voters,  who haven't got a clue how to vote for a good horse even if the animal walked up and kicked them on the side of their head they would still be clueless.

Whatever 13 Oct 2008 12:36 PM

Steve Stone,

The powers that be don't even listen to the people who ARE the industry, why would they listen to a fan? One or the other of us might give them a good idea. Especially those of us that do it every day. We have a perspective nobody else has.

Then you have those calling for a racing Czar like that'll help things. Somebody playing to the big shots so he can stay a big shot.

Atthebarn2 13 Oct 2008 1:08 PM

For working people who love what horse racing WAS, I find it appalling to be charged $1,000 for two days of racing.  Not to mention being expected to take a day off work just to make good on the ticket they FORCED us to buy.  What has happened to racing is that the crass has replaced the class.  Gone are the days of Whittingham, Shoe, Arcaro, Pincay, etc.  What we are left with is people calling out the numbers of the horses, not the names of the jockey or the horses.  I remember calling out "Go Shoe GO" - now its "Go 8 Go".  Whoever is to blame, greed is now the name of the game.

justwatching 13 Oct 2008 3:39 PM

On the point system recommended by you, I really think if you were going to write a blog you would have done better research. Even though a Blog is just an opinion.

There IS a point system in effect. It IS based on Graded stakes races with a certain # of points awarded for 1st through 3rd. Entry into the races are based on Perf in the BC Challenge races, then points then panel decision if the field is oversubscribed. This year they're taking also eligibles. The dirt entries, points only on dirt graded will count. Turf entries, only turf points in graded count. Except the 2 year old races, all graded race point will count for them. The standings are published on the BC site, DRF and NTRA sites. More of these sweeping statements and changes recommended when as one trainer on here said, no one listens to the people who do this every day. (you could have gotten this info from the sites I mentioned or even watched Dreamer and you could have gotten it there).

I'm starting to wonder just how many posting on here are really fans of racing and how many just want to give opinions.

justwatching,

nobody's forcing you to buy a ticket. Here's a newsflash though. My friends alma mater is charging $25,000 to secure a premium seat for basketball, that doesn't include the cost of the actual tickets. My alma mater charges 100-2500 just for the privilege of buying a ticket then we pay between 450-3000 per season ticket and this is COLLEGE Basketball where the guys supposedly don't make a salary. Somebody on this blog stable suggested they do away with betting, if so $1000 would be the norm. Also reserved tickets to Saratoga are on a lottery basis and are limited, same for Churchill etc, nothing new there.

I also don't know why you say those people don't still exist. Jerkens, Mott, VanBerg, King Leatherbury, Lukas, etc have all been doing this for 30-60 years. My buddies and I all jump between hollering for GoGo (Garrett Gomez), Mikey (Mike Smith) Victor to the horse's name if it's pronounceable if not then we might say go #4 rather than saying go Nothonthesamepage etc or the now famous Go baby go, a lot of the trainers do that to, because they ARE their babies. Every single trainer and owner I know or have ever seen always call the horse's name, nickname or jocks name.

What needs to be changed is this constant bitterness, trying to find fault and something to complain about. A would be fan probably looks at stuff like these posts and thinks if it's so miserable and everything is so bad, and all I read are complaints and telling how lousy it is why WOULD I want to be a fan.

Now I'm turning off my *phone and watching Curlin work in a half hour.

JordanA 13 Oct 2008 4:53 PM

" HorseFan " , your comments are noted , always welcomed and appreciated. It is nice to hear you have read my past ideas.  I'm sorry to hear thou, you think this idea is one of my worst. You have to understand, I DO realize that no matter what ideas any of us suggest, they will fall upon deaf ears.

I do agree, some of my ideas are somewhat radical. But , keep in mind , they do offer change, that is why we are all here. If we all agreed with the status quo, we would not be posting our thoughts. If you look at the heading of this column, one of the words is " rethinking " , and the author offered their suggestions for change.

You won't change a thing if you don't think, no matter how radical a thought it may be.

I would like to expand upon one of your comments ( even if it was meant to be sarcastic  ) ...... which is okay with me ..... criticism is good, just like change.

Your comment was this ...... "Just come out and say you want to run the Triple Crown races as 4 year olds " and to that I'll add another comment you made  ......

"One of our big fan bases that are non-gamblers are women ".  Now what " if " we had a female Triple Crown that featured 4 year olds !!!   We all know the tragedy that befell Eight Belles this year. What if the female division had a 4 year old Triple Crown series ?? Would you think that might generate racing interest among woman ??

What if those races for fillies / mares was an all turf event , no dirt !!!  Maybe one of the races could be held at Colonial Downs in Virginia, who happen to have " woman's day " at the races.

One thing I sincerely hope you have gotten from any of my comments / suggestions / opinions ...... is my feeling for the welfare / health / safety of the horse.

UCLinden 13 Oct 2008 6:53 PM

I've followed horse racing loyally and passionately for five years, including the Breeders' Cup, although when I started in 2003, I didn't really know what the BC was. I suspect most of the lay public may not know either. But most, if not all of them, know what the Kentucky Derby is, and if a horse wins the first two legs of the TC, they still might not recognize the Belmont Stakes by name, but you can be sure they're aware that something monumental might be about to happen in sports.

There are just too many BC races now, and although I've prided myself as a fan who's been able to stay abreast of things, I just can't keep track of all these new races or the horses running in these newly created divisions.  It's too much. And after having a two-day affair last year, I wish they'd move the event back to a single day. This is just another day now that I have to ask off from work. Fortuntately I have great supervisors who have given me the time off.

The BC Marathon should be renamed because 12 furlongs is really more of a middle-distance race. The JCGC used to be two miles, which Kelso won five times, and two mile races are still run (on grass) in other countries; so I don't understand calling a 1 1/2 mile race a marathon. I have nothing against the race itself, just what I consider an inappropriate name for it.

Breeders' Cup races are not created equal, with the Classic being the "grand prize" and all others lesser prizes, which I don't think is fair, because it means that unless a horse runs in the Classic, he or she has almost no chance to be considered for HOTY (unless the Classic favorites don't show up) even if that horse dominates his or her division all year. Turf runners and sprinters have historically been left out. Not that a non-BC Classic contender can't receive HOTY, because it's been done, but since Mineshaft in 2003, no horse who hasn't run in this richest BC has done it. Having said that, it's also true that Ghostzapper, Saint Liam, Invasor, and Curlin have certainly been worthy recipients of HOTY.

To just mention the Classic for right now, Curlin went five furlongs in :59 today. He looks great, his coat is shiny, he's carrying his flesh well, he's seems to have moved smoothly and confidently over the Pro-Ride, and he looks well muscled. If he's in good order tomorrow, I think the Classic is his to lose. I was also impressed with Casino Drive's performance yesterday, but heart-broken today over Big Brown's injury and retirement; never-the-less, I think even without Brownie, the BC Classic will still provide plenty of excitment, and the Euros are coming to the party.

Johnny 13 Oct 2008 8:27 PM

I don't like the fact that they have separated the Fillies races from the rest of the Breeders' Cup card. I have to work and cannot watch and I wait all year long to watch the Distaff events.

That said, Churchill Downs runs the Kentucky Oaks the day before the Derby and has since day one. It regularly attracts the same size crowd. What other track could host two back to back races with over 100,000 fans in attendance and make each one special? The trick is promotion.

What bothers me the most is putting the Breeder's Cup on ESPN. Not everybody in this country can afford cable or satellite TV, especially in these economic times. The Breeders' Cup is becoming more and more elitist. Maybe it is time to let it die.

Sharon 14 Oct 2008 9:55 AM

UC,

Actually I wasn't kidding about the 4 year old. That's not what I want, but I've heard it on here so many times from the people who own warmbloods, do other events etc that I figure that's the agenda.

As far as the TC for fillies. That's what my gambling buddy Jordy was pointing out, are the people on here really fans or just have an agenda to get across? There is already a Triple Crown for 3 year old fillies. It's now called the Triple Tiara and it's been changed to different races at different tracks and different dates a couple times. Like the guy on here suggested they do with the TC, now they want to change it to the Oaks, Black Eyed Susan and The Acorn. The filly races the day before or of (Acorn) the TC races. Guess the fact that the Triple Tiara is sort of forgotten shows what would happen if we start messing around with the TC.

Sharon,

There will be some of the races on ABC 1-3:30 ET, therefore the Classic will be on ESPN but any port in the storm although I'd prefer Network too. Less people have ESPN than some on here think.

BIGHORSEFAN 14 Oct 2008 12:23 PM

My colleague Atthebarn and I were discussing this along with the Big Brown deal.

First, the suggestions to radically change the TC races or switch them out with the BC is semi nuts. You change the Derby and you get rid of the one race nearly EVERYONE in the world knows about. We're still thinking on the TC Format. A lot of trainers have expressed a desire for change and they were shouted down by the public. More of just adding a bit of time between all the way up to changing the distance and adding the Travers as the 4th jewel, I guess a Quad Crown??? Still the tracks would be the same and the general time frame the same.

The Breeders Cup. Two days is a bit much, but the idea to move the ungraded stakes to Friday (the new races) and the established races back to Saturday sounds good. Also doing away with the track stakes but that's a day for the guys who can't make it into the BC to shine a little on a big day. The reason for selling the tickets as a package is to fill the stands both days, understandable.

Valerie, There is a set format and point system and you can check the standings.

Johnny, Thanks for being a fan!

The marathon, considering the average race for a TB is 1 mile and we rarely run them at a mile and 1/2 I guess that's the reason they chose that. Some tracks here in the U.S. run a 2 mile race as the final of the meet. Not like in Europe or the Steeplechase races where they run so far.

As far as HOY, remember Favorite Trick 2 y.o. in 1997, beat out Skip Away, Silver Charm, Gentlemen, FormalGold etc. Skip Away won the JCGC and The Classic, Silver Charm won the Derby, Preakness and came so close to winning the TC. Somewhere the last few years the voting has changed and is more based on the Classic, who shows up who does or doesn't win. Could be the younger or newer voters doing that in the last 7-8 years. The Classic is the ultimate for 3 year olds and up, just like the Derby is for the straight 3 year olds. It should be worth more money wise, it's got the best of the best. The BC as a whole is also designed to reward people for running their horses all year, garnering enough points to get in, winning a Win and You're In race and having a chance to run at a huge purse. (after paying a fortune to run in it 125g's or more if you supplement). One other thing about the HOY, Charismatic won in 99, we know what happened with him in the Belmont. Possibly the award was more for the Lewis', a lot of debate on why he got it. But even Baffert was shocked that he beat out Lukas for Outstanding Trainer, most thought it just shows how political it all is. Of course it's the Turf Writers and the DRF as well as the NTRA I guess it just depends on how well the writers like you and how well you get along with the powers that be.

Sharon, Churchill Downs is horse country. Those of us who have been in other circuits know the huge difference between Kentucky and the rest. The attitudes are much different towards the horse, the horsemen. Although Keeneland was down and that's worrisome, my thought is a reflection of the current economy. Saratoga is another track that treats the horsemen well and draws lots of fans, it was down too.

Just Heard CURLIN is running.

UC, Yes we have to think about improving the product, protecting the horse but wholesale change is the first step in making it go away forever. How many things have we seen change and then become something unrecognizable and a lesser product? They try to change back but by then they've lost the hard core fan and gamblers who valued the traditions and the nouveau fans have moved onto the next IN thing. Change for the sake of change never succeeds and the shotgun method of change rarely works. (Fire enough buckshot and you'll hit something). In my opinion, we need to keep the good things (like the Derby etc) improve on the things that aren't so good, make inroads into the problems and issues and most of all try to ride out the economic situation right now.

Whatamidoing 14 Oct 2008 1:14 PM

Thank you all for your comments. The kind of provocative discussion that ensued as the result of my blog entry is exactly my intent. Whether you agree or disagree with my ideas, I think we can all concur that just by reading and post here we all reveal our passion for the sport.

I would take exception, however, to a few comments that completely misconstrued my thoughts. The point system I recommend is a completely separate notion from the current BC point system, of which I am fully cognizant (although not through watching “Dreamer”) despite what’s been suggested. The point system I suggest would apply to horses racing at all levels, and the BC races would earn points for horses as well—this point system would determine championship awards, not the winning of a single race. As it stands, the BC point system is lame, barely recognized even by fans during the course of the year, and only has relevance for entry into a BC race. It is meaningless in the greater context of racing during the year, unlike division standings in other professional sports.

I also did not “slam” the 1-1/2 mile distance, only criticized it being characterized as a “marathon.” In most countries, 12 furlongs would be considered “middle distance.” If the BC insists on having a Marathon category, then it needs to be a true long distance race—at least 2 miles. Exactly as Johnny said, when Kelso won the Jockey Club Gold Cup in five consecutive years (1960-64), it was a 2 mile race. We need to get that back.

It is a shame (although probably completely understandable given the current state of our society) that any constructive criticism is labeled as bitterness. Nothing could be further from the truth! I was brought up to challenge ideas, to not believe anything without having turned it inside and out in order to understand how and why it exists as it does. Too bad those in charge of horse racing—whether the BC, AGSC, TOBA, NTRA, or The Jockey Club—don’t believe similarly.

Valerie 14 Oct 2008 10:31 PM

Just a moment or two of down time before the card starts.

Valerie,

I agree with some of what you said. But some of it is outrageous. A point system for every horse? Better you than me trying to keep track of that. Although years ago diffierent tracks used to keep track of that and award claiming horse of the year etc. In fact there are a few that STILL do that to this day.

I agree that the big shots don't listen to the fans. Worse yet they don't listen to those in the industry. But to suggest doing away with the BC, that's where we departed ways. Unless you have a Derby type horse you're never going to get to one of these big races and be in the spotlight. If it's just for the black type, why do geldings run in it? Most of the people who are owners and sell their stock for breeding purposes reinvest and even if the divest themselves totally they never get back as much as they spend.

Also on the point system, you WERE talking about the Breeders Cup. As far as HOY and divisional winners. If you were a journalist you would have a vote. Those are selected by the National Turf Writers, DRF and NTRA. I can tell you there has been a lot of disagreement with their decisions in past.

As far as splitting up the races, then it becomes like all the TOO many stakes races one of your fellow bloggers is talking about (not that I agree with him either)

I agree with debate, throwing ideas out there. However like political debates, viable suggestions and plans go further than volatile rhetoric.

Now I'm off to do my job that so many of you want to do away with.

By the way what are your credentials? Just curious. This format of blog is new to me. I'm used to the Steve Haskin's and Jason Shandler's of the world. Steve in particular being someone who is widely known and respected in the world of racing. Even if I don't always agree with what they say I know where they're coming from and what qualifies them to say it.

Whatamidoing 15 Oct 2008 10:58 AM

Valerie,

I feel your pain, I get what your saying 100%. You obviously have proper credentials or the BH would not let you do this, and if that weren't enough, your intelligent, insightful, knowledge and PASSION is clear to those of us who have been in the biz' a long time.

I have to laugh at people who criticize those of us who are bitter. Most of the comments are out of sheer frustration from people, and they have a reason and a right. I support this buisness and have for 20 plus yrs, I have a right to vent and complain! Racing is not and has not been doing the average Joe any favors. This country our world as we know was founded on protesting, uprising, thats the only way to get things done. Look at the presidential debate. We are so fed up with the same old crap that this has become a truly important election. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a headline read from an in-depth survey, "core fans are pissed" if we make a curious person of racing run because of all the negative comments, don't blame the worker bees, blame what racing has become even to to die hard fan. Some of you bloggers must have the good life not to be even a little affected by the rising prices, now doubled by a two day event. You guys must be young because after 20 + yrs of going to Triple Crowns and BC's, I'm getting old and tired, and now, it's starting to really become un-affordable. It was in the past at times too, but now they are expecting more of the average fan and giving less back.

As far as the BC point system, your right it's LAME with a capitial L, and even I, who follow statistics, never, ever pay attention to the point system.

Points should be awarded for graded races ONLY. If we need more, then get rid of some of the Stakes, but for goodness sake let's agree on something. If by chance we still have BC spots open, then we can use earnings as an avenue.

I believe we have finally reached the bottom of the barrel as a fall out from the overspending, over breeding of the 80's. Hindsight is 20-20. We finally got the sight, but what are we gonna do with it. Don't stop shouting at the rooftops, even with radical ideas, maybe someone, some day will hear us. I hope I'm still around to see it.

SundaySilenced 15 Oct 2008 12:45 PM

Those of you unfamiliar with the Thoroughbred Bloggers Alliance should look at our history: thoroughbredbloggersalliance.blogspot.com/.../october-2005-1st-press-release.html

Founded in 2005, we are the original horse racing bloggers, comprising of industry insiders (owners, trainers, breeders, track handicappers and race callers) and mere fans with a love for the history of the sport. We are not a new creation of Bloodhorse, merely a group that has formed an association with this august horse racing publication, to provide a broader voice and scope of ideas. I claim no special credentials other than a life-long (more than 40 years) fan of the sport. I was unaware that only industry insiders or “professionals” of some sort could offer opinions worthy of contemplation. Fortunately, as a university professor in my “real” job, I would never discount a student’s views merely because they do not already possess a Ph.D. as I do. I would consider with high regard their educated opinions, as they may offer a perspective I had not thought of before. Challenging the status quo is not disrespectful or demeaning to those in the industry, and I am sorry some feel that way.

Valerie 15 Oct 2008 2:47 PM

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