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Quality Road Deserves Top Ranking

By Kevin Stafford, The Aspiring Horseplayer

 

A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!

Now that Quality Road has dispatched the heavily hyped Dunkirk, just where does the son of Elusive Quality belong in the rankings for the 2009 Kentucky Derby?  All the way at the top, if you ask me.  His gutsy performance to hold off the late charging Dunkirk in the stretch at Gulfstream Park has convinced me that this lightly raced colt will be a force to be reckoned with come the first Saturday in May. 

Ranking the Derby contenders gets incredibly complex, if you allow it to be so, due to the different paths being taken by the various runners.  Without an opportunity to size them up in face-to-face competition, one is left using the non-scientific approach of interjecting much speculation into their analysis.   Even taking things as straightforward as final time comparisons cannot be considered truly "apples to apples" due to the differences in surface at each of the race tracks in question. 

So what are we to make of Quality Road?  How does he match up with the other big guns?   At some point you have to draw the line between hype and actual production.  It's a blurred line and one that is constantly changing as the situation unfolds.  For example, I believe that right now you have to rank Friesan Fire and Quality Road above the other contenders.  They've finished their preps, and they've both done so in impressive style.  Just around the corner, however, we'll get our best read on the contenders coming from California (in the Santa Anita Derby), and New York (In the Wood Memorial), so things are not set in stone at the top of the list.  

Let's start by looking at the top 5:

  • #1 Quality Road
  • #2 Friesan Fire
  • #3 The Pamplemousse
  • #4 Pioneer of the Nile
  • #5  I Want Revenge

I don't think there's much variety out there in terms of who belongs in the top 5.  The argument seems to be  where these top 5 should be ranked in relation to one another.  Disregard the #1 and #2 rankings for a moment on Friesan Fire and Quality Road.  Truth be told I consider them to be dual #1 contenders.  Both colts used similar stalk and pounce approaches to cash in on their recent victories.  Friesan Fire had to run down the speedy Papa Clem early on, and then hold off late charges from Terrain and Giant Oak.   Many of the bigger named horses who gave the Louisiana Derby such a deep feel prior to the race (Flying Pegasus, Patena, etc.) simply did not fire for whatever reason, leaving Friesan Fire with a relatively easy victory once he reeled in Papa Clem.   Quality Road didn't face a field quite as deep on paper, but the big names in the Florida Derby did show up to run, as he had to hold off the late charging Dunkirk in the stretch (as well as Theregoesjojo who ran well enough for show) after dispensing with longshot pacesetter Casey's on Call.  The end result?  I think you've got to have these guys one, two.  Where you rank them amongst each other is open for debate, but for now I"ll give the slight edge to Quality Road, and continue to be disappointed that I could not select the horse in the Road to the Roses challenge.

Moving down the list, the next great debate is what to do with the California runners and I Want Revenge.  Obviously if I Want Revenge had remained in California, this would be easier to do from a direct comparison standpoint.  However, that would have left us completely unable to determine how these colts might run once they tried the dirt for the first time.  With the defections of Papa Clem and I Want Revenge and the subsequent success they've enjoyed, their would seem to be much promise for the colts currently leading the California Division;  The Pamplemousse and Pioneer of the Nile.  Until Pioneer of the Nile shows he can rundown The Grapefruit (which he very well might do in the upcoming Santa Anita Derby), I'll continue to rank The Pamplemousse ahead of him.  With The Pamplemousse firmly entrenched at 3rd, that makes things simple for me as I can look at the next two and say "well, Pioneer of the Nile defeated I Want Revenge head to head, so he stays on top for now."  Of course, it's never quite that easy, and the 113 Beyer figure that I Want Revenge earned on dirt in the Gotham suggests he's just as capable as Quality Road.  Here's one last factor in stacking them as I have above.  Pioneer of the Nile and The Pamplemousse will square off face to face next weekend at Santa Anita, so we'll get a much clearer read on how they match up.  I Want Revenge will face a challenge from some of the lower ranked contenders, and could be vulnerable if a runner like Imperial Council rises to the occasion. 

  • #6 Old Fashioned
  • #7 Imperial Council
  • #8 Dunkirk
  • #9  Chocolate Candy
  • #10 Win Willy

Things get a bit fuzzier once you're outside of the top 5.   The first challenge is what to do with the falling stock of both Dunkirk and Old Fashioned.   Dunkirk in particular might not have enough earnings to even qualify for the Kentucky Derby, which basically makes his position on a Derby rankings list rather moot.  Let's say he does find a way to draw into the field though.  Then what would we make of him?   Is he not good enough to merit consideration among the bigger guns?   We must remember that the Florida Derby was this horse's third race of his career.  There's still a tremendous amount of room for improvement, and judging from the way this guy is bred and the fact that he's only allowed one horse to finish in front of him so far (and did not go down without a fight), I think you've got to keep him around.  Ditto for Old Fashioned.  Larry Jones is simply too good a horseman for this guy to fall too far.  I'm convinced Friesan Fire is his best shot, but Old Fashioned has enough class in him to get past many in this year's crop.  

Then you've got some room for "buzz" horses and longshots.  Imperial Council fits into that former category and now becomes the hype horse in the rankings.  He'll get a shot to turn the tables on I Want Revenge in the Wood, and if he were to do so he'd have to be considered a top 5 contender in the Derby at least.  I'm still holding out hope that this guy could be the best of the Empire Maker colts this year (with all due respect to Pioneer of the Nile). 

Chocolate Candy is now the "Rodney Dangerfield" of this list.  Each week it's someone different who gets no respect.  In CC's case, I believe it's because folks simply haven't had many good looks at him..  All that will change next weekend with the Santa Anita Derby.   He needs to finish in the top 3 to warrant this ranking, but stop for a moment and consider what a shakeup it would be if he found a way to prevail?   I'm not saying that will happen, but what would the fallout be if it did?  The only thing I can find that he hasn't done is to win a race recently. 

Lastly, there's my longshot Win Willy, who I'm going to hold onto in these rankings until someone else forces me to remove him.   I'll clue you in on another thought going through my mind right now that relates to this guy.  The Pamplemousse is a speedy type.  Friesan Fire, Quality Road, and even Old Fashioned like to be just off the pace anywhere from 2nd to 4th in the early running.  We just might have enough early zip up front that things could open up for a closer like this.  It might take some additional lights out speed signed up on the front end, but I'm just saying that a horse that isn't on most people's lists despite running a very visually impressive race to defeat the then top ranked Old Fashioned still warrants some consideration.  

So there you have it, for the moment at least.  In the spirit of the increasingly annoying Capital One credit card commercials:  "Who's on your list? "

17 Comments:

Since NO HORSE came from off the pace last Sat...WHY does Dunkirk's stock "fall"?...You mean there's REALLY a 1 thru 7 spread between Quality Road and Dunkirk?

Matthew W 02 Apr 2009 2:38 PM

If you believe Dunkirk is talented then you have to believe Quality Road is the next Derby winner.  Back to back Beyer's of 113 and 111 is not enough to convince you?  Friesan Fire has run against average horses and has never gone beyond 1 1/16th and you expect HIM to beat Quality Road?  Don't make me laugh.  Anyone who thinks Friesan Fire can take 7 weeks off and then face a horse firing Beyer's over 110 is crazy.  Watch all the races all you want but this one is over.  Quality Road 2009 Derby winner... write it down.

Draynay 02 Apr 2009 3:16 PM

Any colt that shows exceptional ability and is sired by a son or grandson of Mr. Prospector is likey to win the derby. His sons and grandsons have sired eight of the last 19 winners. Ifyouadd in his winner Fusaichi Pegasus it is 9 of the last 19 (47.36%) Quality is anexceptional colt but I think focus should be on UAE derby winner Reagl Ransom. He is also sired by a grandson of the great stallion. His broodmare line carries more stamina than that of QR. When a late foal (May 24)wins  in that fashion it is normally  come back better with five additional weeks of development. This likely to be the derby winner. Remember he ran 1:22 plus on his debut at 2yrs 3mnths.

Coldfacts 02 Apr 2009 4:29 PM

The problem with a lot of the rankings and forcasting is the assumption that only those horses said to be on the derby trail by their connections are being considered.  Good ranking and forcasting should take all likey/reasonable factors into consideration such as nominated horses that qualify on earnings and talent, not officially on the trail but which could line up in the gates and upset all calculations.  I refer to two very talented horses which would certainly make the top five once their connections indicate that they are in, namely Big Drama and Rachel Alexandra.  A fit Square Eddie could also rank right up there.  Don't think for a moment that it is a far fetched idea because some owners and trainers prefer to avoid the pressure and spotlight so that they can make the right decision.

For whatever its worth here's my top ten: Quality Road, Big Drama, Rachel Alexandra, I Want Revenge, Win Willy, Friesan Fire, The Pamplemousse, Dunkirk, Chocholate Candy, Old Fashioned.  Perhaps Pioneer Of The Nile should have been included because if the scenario that i assume plays out Dunkirk would not make the cut on earnings unfortunately.

Ranagulzion 02 Apr 2009 5:02 PM

I think the picture will become clearer after the Santa Anita and the Wood, but I think Quality Road and FFire are going to be very difficult to beat no matter what happens there.  Quality Road is my favorite-strong, tough, and fast. I also like Win Willy, especially if the pace is hot, to finish in the top three.

Speedball 02 Apr 2009 8:19 PM

Hey Kevin!!  Great your on here again, I love reading your write-ups!!

Brian A. 02 Apr 2009 10:03 PM

Speedball, QR has the perfect derby winners profile and I like him a lot. However, I feel he is going to get beat because of a few historic negatives. This probably has no significance but only five unraced broodmares have foaled derby winners in the last 54 years. The last time it occurred was 32 year ago. It’s funny how few winners are produced from unraced mare these days. Between1938 and 1949 seven of the 11 winners were produce from unraced mares and in ones stretch unraced mare produced four consecutive winners. I watched his gallop out after the FL Derby and he pulled pretty quickly. He may have some stamina limitations at 10 furlongs. Big Brown a horse with similar high cruising speed ran 1:35 plus being geared down. In the FOY he was not being geared down and ran 1:35 plus as well. Big Brown clearly displayed more capacity for the longer distances. QR dam sire Strawberry Road has no derby record would be breaking through against well established broodmare lines .This is always difficult in the derby. I love this horse chances and probably he can overcome his historic negatives.

FF blood is too blue. He was sired by a former HOY and produced from dam that earned $681,330. His profile does not exist on the past winners chart. Derby winning mares are well bred low earners who have little success in graded races. He is a nice horse but cannot see him winning based on historic data. Horses like FF, Dunkirk & Old Fashioned do not win derbies. Take another look at Regal Ransom. I saw something in that UAE Derby that told me he is now significantly different colt. He is probably the youngest colt in the derby mix and to beat older horses and top rated stable mate Desert Party at 2yrs 10mnth is significant.

Win Willy ran passed a tire Old Fashioned. His path was made easier because the field was small and they were in reverse when he started his challenge. His speed figures coming out of the Rebel are far too slow for him to have any chance. His historic negative: he is sired by a Derby winner. Derby winners have extremely poor records a derby sires. Only two winners have been sired by derby winners in the last 40 years. Although Monarchos ran the second fastest derby he was not a horses blessed with speed. Win Willy will have to be ridden every inch of the Churchill surface to get close. No Chance.

Coldfacts 03 Apr 2009 12:26 PM

MY TOP FIVE

Not that anyone care's is

1 Quality Road

2 I Want Revenge

3 Desert Party

4 Dunkirk

5 Win Willy

any one like or dislike these top 5 picks, I could state numerous reasons from pedigree, to race times, to beyer's, so on and so on why this is a true top 5

Travis L 03 Apr 2009 12:27 PM

Coldfacts-thanks for the tips.  I'll check out Regal Ransom, but I just have the same feeling about Quality Road that I had about Big Brown last year.  I just knew Big Brown would win unless something unforseen happened.  Call it intuition if you will.

 What do you think about Mr Hot Stuff if he pulls an upset at Santa Anita? He's got those great Tiznow genes.

Speedball 03 Apr 2009 2:45 PM

My Top 5.

1 thru 5 ... Quality Road.

Draynay 03 Apr 2009 3:13 PM

I watched the Sham again today and I think Mr. Hot Stuff needs something on his face. I know he won after the blinkers were removed but a special visor could do the trick. He certainly appears capable of running all day and if there is a pace melts down he could capitalize. Oddly enough, his historic negative is his sire. Only one winner of a Breeder Cup race has ever sired a derby winner and that was Unbridled the sire of Grindstone. Horses that tail off in their races are not ideal for the derby due to the traffic problems they invariably encounter in large fields. There are two horses that have more long shot appeal. They are the well bred Cape Truth and the hard knocking or Feisty Suances. I am expecting Feisty Suances to turn the table on POTN. I always respect horses whose dams are sired by the sons and grandsons of Northern Dancer i.e., Street Sense, Eight Bells, Big Brown etc. Cape Truth dam was sired by Far North a son of the great Northern Dancer.

Coldfacts 03 Apr 2009 9:45 PM

ALL i KNOW IS i AM  love WITH qUALKITY rOAD LOOKS LIKE OUR BOY mR.b WITHOUT A BLAZE AND HE SET THE PACE LAST WEeK...lOVE HIM

DANNIE 04 Apr 2009 5:47 AM

After watching I Want Revenge and Talamo get thru the traffic in the Wood, that's what it takes to win the Derby.  The KD is not about the best horse, it is about the horse who can get thru a traffic jam.  The field of contenders will need to be lowered if the KD is ever to be about the best horse.  

merrywriter 05 Apr 2009 12:39 PM

Merrywriter if you want to put your money on a 19 year old rider who has never ridden in the Derby go right ahead... bet big.

Draynay 07 Apr 2009 10:11 AM

Dray, how old was affirmed's jock, when he won the Derby, i believe it was only 17 or 18.

LDP 08 Apr 2009 10:14 PM

LDP: that shows you how much Draynay knows about racing...and Talamo's ride in the Wood proves he's capable of riding in Big-Time races.Patient & Gutty.

Slew.em.All 10 Apr 2009 8:58 PM

Slew,

   Your right. Talamo is also very capable because he does not let pressure get to him easily. He understands the situation and just does what he needs to do, not worry about what went wrong. Thats a very rare trait in any person to be able to shrug off that kind of pressure, let alone a 19yr old who is riding his first derby horse. He may get cocky every now and then, but the boy's got talent, and a cool head on his shoulders, which gives him a huge advantage.

LDP 11 Apr 2009 10:18 PM

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