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141st Belmont Stakes

Courtesy of Rob Fundter, The Amateur Capper

CHARITABLE MAN WON’T GIVE AWAY THE FINAL TRIPLE CROWN RACE OF 2009

Unfortunately, there will not be a Triple Crown winner for the 26th consecutive year.  MINE THAT BIRD, the 50-1 longshot winner of the Kentucky Derby, ran bravely down the Pimlico stretch but could not catch the Amazonian filly RACHEL ALEXANDRA in the Preakness Stakes three weeks ago. 

While I respect that MINE THAT BIRD made a solid showing in the second leg, I cannot change my opinion of him as a legitimate G.1 winner.  There have been many winners of Triple Crown races that succeeded because of fortunate circumstance as opposed to great skill.  In my lifetime there was GATO DEL SOL in the 1983 Kentucky Derby, LIL E. TEE in the 1991 renewal, and GIACOMO in 2005.  Until he proves me wrong, MINE THAT BIRD will be in that class that will never again win a G.1 race after their Derby upsets.

I’m going with CHARITABLE MAN, trained by KIARAN McLAUGHLIN who conditioned 2006 winner JAZIL.  Without MINE THAT BIRD, CHARITABLE MAN would have been a heavy favorite.  The $200,000 yearling purchase was a graded stakes winner at two, taking the G.2 Futurity at Belmont Park.  That day he defeated eventual Louisiana Derby winner and starting Kentucky Derby favorite FRIESAN FIRE.  Obviously injured, he was off until contesting the G.1 Blue Grass in April.  The layoff, an outside post, and a wide trip made that effort nothing more than an afternoon workout over Keeneland’s Polytrack.

Last out in the G.2 Peter Pan, CHARITABLE MAN settled nicely behind run-off HELLO BROADWAY (entered in the G.2 Woody Stephens over 7f on the undercard).  He was deftly handled by ALAN GARCIA who allowed his mount’s natural speed to put him into winning position on the wide Belmont Park far turn.  A lesser horse, in only his second start of the year, would have bid for the lead and tired.  Not so for the son of 1999 Belmont Stakes winner LEMON DROP KID.  CHARITABLE MAN persevered while tiring at a slower rate than his competition.

He owns a tactical advantage on every Belmont Stakes contender but does not need the lead to win.  The slower tempo of the 1 ½ mile test of stamina will allow CHARITABLE MAN to use his high cruising speed to be positioned on or just off the lead.  He will use the stamina from his sire to get the final ½ mile to win.

There are many horses with pedigree ties to the Belmont Stakes.  This will make the Triple Crown “name horse” MINE THAT BIRD, a son of 2004 Belmont Stakes winner BIRDSTONE, heavily played.  Clearly he’s been the best of a depleted 3y.o. crop (I WANT REVENGE was scratched the day of the Derby and QUALITY ROAD was declared during Derby week) and has every chance to pick up another minor award on Saturday.  With rain in the forecast for Friday, there is a chance there will be moisture in the track which will move MINE THAT BIRD up several lengths.  Perhaps circumstances will once again smile upon the CHIP WOOLLEY trainee and CALVIN BOREL can collect a jockey Triple Crown for 2009.

Want to take a swing against the short prices or create value under them?  Take your pick among CHOCOLATE CANDY (damsire SEATTLE SLEW), SUMMER BIRD (sire BIRDSTONE), LUV GOV (sire TEN MOST WANTED 2nd in ’03 Belmont S.), and MINER’S ESCAPE (grandsire A.P. INDY won ’92 Belmont S.) to outrun their double digit odds with the help of Belmont Stakes stamina in their genes.

Finally, I am confused that DUNKIRK is coming back so quickly after a terrible stumble in the Kentucky Derby.  He is the short price “X-factor” in this year’s race.  DUNKIRK started the Kentucky Derby as a well-supported 5-1 second choice on the strength of his fast G.1 Florida Derby second to QUALITY ROAD.   After that dismal Derby result, he can bounce back and challenge CHARITABLE MAN and MINE THAT BIRD down the stretch as easily as finish off the board.  I just don’t know if that stumble may have caused an injury that will manifest itself during a race.  Remember that stumble TODD PLETCHER-trained RAGS TO RICHES had when she upset CURLIN in the 2007 Belmont Stakes?  She raced only once more, upset by LEAR’S PRINCESS in the G.1 Gazelle, before an injury was detected.  A healthy RAGS TO RICHES would have torched that Gazelle field.

I hope they all come back safe…and CHARITABLE MAN will be posing in the winner’s circle.  Enjoy!

41 Comments:

Rob,

   While Charitable Man is a great horse, Mine that Bird will once again prove all doubters wrong.  While the pace will be slower, I still don't think that will stop Mine that Bird, The way I see the race, like alot, slower splits, Miner's Escape and Charitable Man will have the lead, I even will say Charitable Man will lead from the gate to the middle of the stretch, I just see the two Bird's flying past him at the end, I think Charitable Man will run out of gas, not completely, I have him finishing third, and I really don't see Dunkirk finishing on the board, Anything can happen, Just the way I see it un-folding...

1.Mine that Bird

2.Summer Bird

3.Charitable Man

4.Flying Private

5.Dunkirk or Chocolate Candy

We will see, Just hope it is a Safe Race, Good Luck...

Greg J. 05 Jun 2009 7:43 PM

CHARITABLE MAN PETER PAN  was a nice race, but im afraid you want see this horse move forward tomm. instead u might just see a bounce. because rthe horse  didnt  walk home in PP he was running  very hard IMO.

I am hoping for a dry track but im doubtinng it for my FLYIN PRIVATE play.

rolo from ky 05 Jun 2009 7:45 PM

I think it's been a wee bit longer than 26 years since our last Triple Crown winner...not to be rude here or anything but that's a pretty glaring mistake.

RachelSatterfield 05 Jun 2009 8:08 PM

One stumble has NOTHING to do with the other.RTR problem was that she ran against Curlin. If Mine That Bird stays healthy he will win many more Grade 1. Buy the way, who did CM beat in the Peter Pan?

MikeM 05 Jun 2009 8:32 PM

i dont care who the damsire is, a son of unbridled's song will never be effective beyond a "teener". charitable man will be pushed, and will flatten out mid-stretch. my gut says mine that donkey will win, but here is the angle i'm going with: beats three-quarters of the derby field, skips the preakness and therefore fresh for the belmont, and picks up garret gomez. CC is my pick.

Golden_Given 05 Jun 2009 8:34 PM

Mine That Bird has outrun every COLT two times in a row now! He's not my fave to win...those were no accident either

Christy 05 Jun 2009 9:46 PM

This will be our 31st year without a TC winner :) .

Also, I picked Charitable to show, I don't think his closing drive is fast enough. I usually don't go for faves, but I just can't help falling for The Bird!

MtBFan 05 Jun 2009 10:31 PM

No way a horse from NM is gonna win the Belmont Stakes. Not in this lifetime......

mark 06 Jun 2009 2:44 AM

I'll give you Gato del Sol but I think you need to revisit Lil E. Tee. He had a very respectable career. He too like MTB was dismissed in the beginning. I also don't think Giacomo had a decent run. As for me I will stick with MTB. First or last he is now a racing personality and will always have a following.

gammyp6 06 Jun 2009 3:02 AM

THE SCRAPPER N THE PLAIN BROWN RAPPER BLOWS EM AWAY!!!...

Bellwether 06 Jun 2009 3:16 AM

GREG J.,

Your picks are as good as any.  Differences of opinion, that's what this game's all about.  Good luck on your "Sons of Birdstone" exacta!

ROLO FR. KY,

A bounce may be in the cards... Obviously I'm thinking he's more than the ordinary horse, otherwise he'd have folded in the Peter Pan chasing that ridiculous pace.  BTW, aren't all horses with winning chances running hard by the end of the race?  In fact, the winner runs hardest of all otherwise he/she wouldn't have won.

Good luck with your

RACHEL S. and MtBFAN...you are both absolutely correct to point out my math mistake...I don't know how I lost those 5 years.  RACHEL, that's not rude to state, you're just pointing out a fact that was typed in error.  I'll edit my stuff better next time.  Aside from that, I'd like to know how you feel about the Belmont.

MtB FAN,

It's a myth that a horse closing at a shorter distance will appreciate the Belmont S. test.  

MIKE M.,

CM defeated...not much.  Only HELLO BROADWAY had been graded stakes placed.  You could have remarked the same for RACHEL after her KY. OAKS win.  BTW, who did MINE THAT BIRD defeat prior to his Kentucky Derby win?

GOLDEN_GIVEN,

CC is a tremendous pick, but aren't you afraid he'll be the "steam" horse in this year's Belmont S.?  Instead of 10-1, I'm thinking 6-1...especially if GOMEZ has the kind of day I think he will prior to the big race.

CHRISTY,

No doubt MTB ran two solid races, I'm just not sold that they were G.1 efforts.  If I'm right, he won't win Saturday and beyond (unless he catches a main track with moisture).

Amateurcapper 06 Jun 2009 5:06 AM

I was leaning toward Charitable Man but a couple things concerned me.  I'm not wild about his dam side for one.  More importantly, he hasn't won around 2 turns yet.  

Not to be insulting, but I visited your blog.  After looking at some of your past picks I think you've jinxed Charitable Man.  You've therefore helped me decide against him.  

Thanks.  

Steve 06 Jun 2009 5:39 AM

I'll be embarassed if I'm wrong, but that's o.k., I'm familiar with that feeling.  That said, I have a feeling about Miner's Escape.  I want to see Mine That Bird win, but I just have a feeling about Miner's Escape.  His Frederic Tessio win showed a horse who just got rolling at a mile and an eighth.

Dawn 06 Jun 2009 7:02 AM

I like Charitable Man but I like Dunkirk better.

2---Dunkirk

6---Charitable Man

7---Mine that Bird

1---Chocolate Candy

Mark Ripple, Author, Handicapping the Wall Street Way 06 Jun 2009 8:08 AM

I'm confused by your statement that if that track shows up with moisture in it, circumstances will again smile on Chip Wooley and MTB... What????? Are you saying MTB won the derby and came in a convincing second in the Preakness because everything seemed to go thier way???? Sorry..... but I disagree. It is time we give credit where credit is due. MTB has brought many new fans to the sport this year. There will be many people watching today because of him.  He is exciting and he is a tough little horse with a heart the size of Texas. He deserves our respect. I hope he proves everyone wrong today.  This is his distance. He has also danced in all three races which makes him extra special in my mind. Win or lose..... I love this little horse. Go MTB!!!!!!!! May the racing God's bring all our equine althetes across the finish line safe and sound.......

Karen2 06 Jun 2009 9:46 AM

MTB smoked all the colts in the derby and he came in a convincing second on the preakness and you don't think those were grade 1 efforts??? Hmmmm....if those weren't grade 1 efforts, I'm not sure what would be. Who did MTB beat before the derby??? who cares..it is who he has beaten since that counts.....several grade 1 WINNERS....Let's think about who he has beaten... a few of them twice. POTN, FF, CC,MM,PC,GQ,Dunkirk,BD..just to name a few off the top of my head. Wow...now that's a mouth full.  If he never wins again....give this horse credit........please.

Karen2 06 Jun 2009 9:59 AM

Amateurcapper:

I like your point about Dunkirk's stumble.  When you look at it, it was a pretty sharp step he took and I have a feeling it hurt him a lot more than people think.

However, at 3.7 Mil I don't think they are going to run him and take a chance if he's not 100%.  I know this race is a classic and means a lot in the breeding shed, but there are other imortant races too.

I think Dunkirk will run well, but I can only see him as being third to Flying Private (coming in to a race and a logical horse to upset), and Charitable Man (the bounce factor could take him right out of it, or he might fade after a strong early effort).  MTB should be no better than fourth, not because he isn't good enough, but because the Belmont is not the race for closers many people think it is (wide sweeping turns but a shorter stretch than many tracks)

I hope it turns out to be a good race and may the best horse win.

LAZMANNICK 06 Jun 2009 10:15 AM

The only fluke is the person who wrote this article. If you win the derby and come up a length short in the preakness that would validate your derby win. You must have missed the birds final work before the belmont and five weeks is plenty of rest for Dunkirk. He wins if the bird does not...

J.B. STONED 06 Jun 2009 11:02 AM

CM was at one point over seven lengths behind HB so he was not close enough to be burned out by that pace. He's a very nice horse with a bright future but all that really tells us is that he's not going to need the lead. No way he can run a 1:34 mile and finish this race so I don't know how much of an advantage that kind of speed will be. Should be an interesting race pace wise. One thing I'm sticking to is that Unbridled's Song's can't get a mile and a half. I don't think he's had any stayer offspring? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Emily 06 Jun 2009 11:42 AM

With bad track ALL TOP THree picks are done.BET HARTY ,ZITO and LUCAS

steve s 06 Jun 2009 12:29 PM

Greg J., you may be right, but I like Chocolate Candy (Cali!),plus the fact that GG is riding him since MS can't. I also just want everyone (human & equine) to have a safe trip home. Good Luck to everyone if you placed bets!!

sweet terchi 06 Jun 2009 1:14 PM

Thanks to all who commented.  This is what I love about this game...varied opinions.

MARK,

I agree with the MTB play-against, but will remind you that the plucky little gelding did win the Derby.  If not him, who do you like?

GAMMYP6,

LIL E. TEE, really?  A great read is HANDICAPPER'S STAKES FESTIVAL by JAMES QUINN...he chronicles the stakes action of 1993 and picked JOVIAL in that year's G.1 Oaklawn H.  Does anyone remember JOVIAL?

BTW, that race is now a G.2 and the Razorback, which LIL E. TEE won, is now a G.3.

BELLWEATHER,

Am I correct in thinking you're on the gelding?

STEVE,

Glad I could be of service :) !!!

DAWN,

No need to be embarrassed...MINE THAT BIRD won the Derby at 50-1 which meant more people lost the race than won it.  One thing is certain in this game...it's uncertainty.  Good luck.

MARK RIPPLE,

This is in your wheelhouse...MTB is even-money in the early wagering according to bloodhorse.com while Dunkirk is 7-1 and CM at 5-1 is 2nd choice.

KAREN,

You read that right...I believe that circumstances play heavily into this game.  We'll have to agree to disagree.  I did give him credit for finishing well in two straight races...but if he was really that talented, wouldn't he have blown away the horses that beat him in NEW MEXICO?!?!?!  I feel he's a G.2/G.3 horse at best but I may be in the minority as MTB is 1-1 in early wagering.  Thanks for weighing in.

LAZMANNICK,

I have disliked the stumble since BARBARO stumbled and won the Derby.  Good luck with FLYING PRIVATE!

J.B. STONED,

I disagree, and that's the beauty of this game.  By approximately 6:30 eastern, we'll know who's correct.  Win or lose...I won't be calling you a "FLUKE" in the post-race, just right or wrong.  Enjoy the day.

EMILY,

CM was running his own race, you're right. However, HB was pulling him faster than GARCIA probably wanted to run.  As for the mile split, good/great horses run fast.  I'm not anointing CM as great yet, but I think he can be, and if he is what I think he'll run another good race today.  CONQUISTADOR CIELO ran away with the 1983 Belmont after he won the Met Mile in 1:33.  There are some similarities to that brilliant horse's record and CM's up to this point.  His sire is Belmont S. winner LEMON DROP KID...his daughter LEMONS FOREVER won the '06 Kentucky Oaks and his son COSMONAUT was 3rd in the BC Mile but graded wins were from 1 1/16 to 1 3/8.  CITRONNADE won three graded stakes at 9f and another at 1 1/4 mile on turf.  His stamina can get a horse around two turns.

Amateurcapper 06 Jun 2009 1:22 PM

THE BIRD WINS...this time it's SUMMER BIRD who was still eligible for an allowance, non-winners of two races lifetime, race!

From the looks of it, GREG J. IS THE KING OF THE BLOG.  He selected SUMMER BIRD 2nd behind MTB and his exacta looked golden at mid-stretch.

I was wrong about CHARITABLE MAN...he didn't have the goods, but neither did DUNKIRK or MINE THAT BIRD.

So, SUMMER BIRD...will he ever win another G.1 race...that's a discussion for another time.

Amateurcapper 06 Jun 2009 7:05 PM

MTB didn't win today but its time to call him a grade 1 horse and give him the credit he deserves after today's efforts. He came in a neck short of Dunkirk. Keep in mind he is the only one who showed up that has danced every dance. Both Dunkirk and Summer bird were fresh horses. That speaks volumes to me about the talent of MTB.This little gelding is the read deal. Hopefully he comes out sound and happy.....he will be a force to be reckoned with this year...you can bet on it!

Karen2 06 Jun 2009 7:07 PM

I admit I was wrong.  Dunkirk got the distance much better than I expected.

Emily 06 Jun 2009 8:07 PM

If I was the connections of Dunkirk I would be very happy about

his performance in the Belmont as every major race for him the rest of this season will be at a mile and a quarter.

John T. 06 Jun 2009 10:07 PM

KAREN,

Yes...MTB made another good run but I will not yet concede he's a legitimate G.1 winner.  He didn't win the Belmont S., which was the criteria I required of him to change my opinion.  Did he get a less than perfect ride?  Yes.  Does he need an ideal situation to win a G.1?  Yes.  He is sort of the modern-day SILKY SULLIVAN if he can get a jockey who's not trigger happy.  I think that SMITH or GOMEZ will get the next ride, if they want it.  Will it be enjoyable to contemplate MTB against DUNKIRK, QUALITY ROAD, I WANT REVENGE, and perhaps in a rematch with RACHEL?  You bet!

EMILY and JOHN T.,

DUNKIRK was a brave dude, taken out of his usual style on a fast pace.  How much do you suppose this effort took out of him?  

Amateurcapper 07 Jun 2009 12:13 AM

Prior to this year's Triple Crown races I don't think too many people would have said that MINE THAT BIRD would win one, in a romp, and be in the money in all three races. MINE THAT BIRD is the top three year old colt (in my book anyway).

And how interesting that the new sire BIRDSTONE sired not only the Kentucky Derby winner (MINE THAT BIRD), but the Belmont winner (SUMMER BIRD)as well, which is extremely impressive. I am very impressed by BIRDSTONE thus far, and I think MEDAGLIA D'ORO and TAPIT are also doing remarkably well as sires.

Mike S 07 Jun 2009 12:14 AM

yes Lil E. Tee. He retired with a lifetime record of 7-4-1 from 13 starts and earned 1,437,500.00!

gammyp6 07 Jun 2009 4:21 AM

MIKE S.,

With a record of 3-1-1-1 in the Triple Crown, MTB is in the conversation. With a head-to-head loss to RACHEL, isn't she the top 3y.o.?

As for the sires...there was an interesting article by Steven Crist @ drf.com last week suggesting that the Belmont S. is the sire-making race over the Kentucky Derby.

GAMMYP6,

My point was that LIL E. TEE never won another G.1 race after the Kentucky Derby.  His G.2 win prior to the Derby was over VYING VICTOR who didn't win a G.3 until after the Derby (Remington Park Derby) and TREEKSTER, who was a G.3 winner prior to their meeting, but won only 2 of 9 career starts.

If greatness is merely measured in prudent placement of a horse in the correct races, then your criteria is correct.  But even you used the term "respectable", not great, in your second comment.  My requirement for a Derby winner to be great is to follow that success up with additional G.1 wins, preferably vs. older horses as a late 3y.o.

Otherwise, LIL E. TEE is as great as UNBRIDLED or STREET SENSE.  In my book, it's not even close.

Amateurcapper 07 Jun 2009 1:33 PM

Do you consider Dunkirk a grade 1 horse? I'm not really sure how you can dismiss MTB and not call him a grade 1 horse. It baffles me big time. He has raced all three races in grade 1 company and has hit the board in all of them. So basically the little gelding would have had to win the Belmont to earn your respect??? you must not have much respect for any of these horses than because not ONE of them accomplished as much as MTB in the triple crown series. Not one. Furthermore, its hard not to concede that MTB is a legitimate grade 1 winner when he won the derby. Thats a grade 1 race and he won. Makes him a grade 1 winner no matter how you slice it. I will respectfully agree to disagree with you.

Karen2 07 Jun 2009 2:49 PM

KAREN2,

I love that you don't agree with me...it's what this game is built on.  Having strong opinions about these game athletes is what keeps the owners of MTB coming back for more.  They're out to prove their gelding is better than the other horses.  You are helping carry the silks with your passion.  There's no harm in loving a horse like you do and I admire your commitment to him.

Look...I respect the little gelding, really I do.  He danced all three dances and accomplished the most of any Triple Crown contestants this year.  On that I'll agree with you.

Here it comes again...but, until he wins a second one he's just another one-hit G.1 wonder.  There are many examples each week of a horse winning at a class level above their true ability.  When entered at that same level (because they were DQ'd or are eligible to re-enter), some never break through that barrier again.

Belmont S. winner SUMMER BIRD's best prior graded stakes finish was a 3rd in the G.2 Arkansas Derby.  That was why his backers collected over $25 to win.  I will have the same questions about him the next time he runs that I do regarding MTB.

Check the LIL E. TEE discussion I'm having w/ GAMMYP6...that Derby winner never won a G.1 again.  Did he have a solid career?  Yes...but at lower level competition.  He won the G.2 Razorback H. (now a G.3) over a multiple G.3 winner.  

The 3rd horse in that race is a perfect example of a lucky G.1 winner.  SENOR TOMAS won the G.1 Super Derby in a slow 2:04.  By comparison, dual BC Classic winner TIZNOW won that race in 1:59.84.  True G.1 horses run fast.  SENOR's only other graded stakes win came in a G.3 while another G.3 try yielded only a 3rd place finish.

GAMMYP6 correctly (according to pedigreequery.com) states LIL E. TEE's record was 13-7-4-1 for over $1.4 million.  Would I have love to own that horse?  YOU BET!  But he's no G.1 horse on a study of class.

As for DUNKIRK, the jury is still out on him.  He has not won a graded stakes yet but he's lightly raced, so his true class level has yet to be established.  With two G.1 2nd place finishes, he certainly has a chance to be a legitimate G.1 horse but he's got to win some of these races.

I'd love to hear your comments over at my blog (click on Amateurcapper under the title to this)...stop by when you have a chance.  You've inspired me to write a piece on this 3y.o. crop recapping the Triple Crown races!  I'll have it up by the end of next week.

Amateurcapper 08 Jun 2009 1:23 AM

Amateurcapper,

     Looking forward to your article coming up, I have added your site as a "Favorite" and a Desktop Shortcut. Keep up the good work...

    As far as the Belmont, I really would have cleaned house if dunkirk finished fourth! What a great effort by him, Pure heart!  He messed up all my trifecta's, But I was smart enough to Box him in a Superfecta with Mine that Bird, Summer Bird, Charitable Man, But only a $2 bet for $852.  

    After I saw Kent D. was on fire on the undercard, I placed a $50 Win ticket on Summer Bird!, Which brought in a nice $650, So all and all, It was a good day, Most important of all is that all the Horses came back safe and sound...

Amateurcapper,

    In your upcoming piece, Don't leave out "Friesan Fire", Once he is healed up from his Surgery, He will show everyone the true champion he is.  Two others everyone should keep there eye on, Of course, My favorite, "Nicanor", and watch out for "Zensational",  Both will be at the Breeder's Cup, and win their respective specialty's, "Nicanor" on the Turf! and,"Zensational" in the Sprint!, Mark my words...

Greg J. 08 Jun 2009 11:02 AM

I havn't seen this bloggers comments on the race and what a race it was. Now the great Birdstone has sired the winner of two thirds of the triple crown I am just glad the sheik spent his money on D'ORO and not Birdstone. I do like D'oro but not as much as Birdstone..

bird bird bird bird is the freakin word... I didn't have Summer Bird though thats gambing for you.

J.B.STONED 08 Jun 2009 11:41 AM

amateurcapper

i guess you were right five weeks might have been to soon of a comeback for Dunkirk he broke his freakin leg trying to beat those birdstone horses. Birdstone must be in the lead for champion sire at this point in the year..

J.B.STONED 09 Jun 2009 10:08 AM

In open competition, RA, MTB and SB have one grade 1 each, RA has one other Grade 1 against fillies, right now she barely has an edge, except the Derby is always considered the Jewel of the jewels.

The jury is wide open on the 3-year olds.

One hit wonder? He's the second overall leading money earner this year...what a joke...he's done more than any of the others, except arguably RA in the filly field.

da3hoss 09 Jun 2009 11:25 AM

Mine That Bird was fantastic in Canada, it took him a while to improve in the States but he did decently in the Sunland and then went on to Kentucky and beyond. He won by daylight in KY with the closing kick. He powered and "hung onto" Rachel's saddlecloth in the Preakness and though he wavered in the Belmont he still gave that fantastic closing drive when he was asked, what a powerhouse, but it was TOO SOON, Dunkirk edged him out of 2nd. We'll see MtB in Travers I bet, though I'd love to see him in Florida or Chicago...

MtBFan (STILL) 10 Jun 2009 12:32 PM

GREG J.

Great playing...wish I had the stuff to make a $50 win bet, but that's why I'll always be an amateur.

I was going to lead off with FRIESAN FIRE, but with the Triple Crown fervor over MINE THAT BIRD, RACHEL ALEXANDRA, and SUMMER BIRD I will be leading off the discussion with those three.  

As for my piece, I'm diligently researching and will have it up by Saturday.  I was too busy this week w/ work, family...and my Lakers have kept me on edge!  Up 3-1...it's WINNIN' TIME and I'm ready for an updated puppet commercial w/ Kobe and LeBron... KOBE:  "Have you seen my fourth championship ring?  I seem to have misplaced my fourth championship ring."

LEBRON:  "Kobe, don't you get that at the first home game of next season?"

KOBE:  "Oh, that's right...have you been watching when I received the three prior championship rings?  Is that how you know when I will get my fourth championship ring?

LEBRON:  (Shakes head, says nothing.)

J.B. STONED,

As for great race, I can't go there.  Competitive race, I'll agree.

They went way too fast the opening 1/4 and 1/2 mile.  JOHN V. on DUNKIRK was trying to beat one horse...CHARITABLE MAN.  Mission accomplished and DUNKIRK was dead game to be 2nd...I'm sorry I was right about the injury potential.  Do you suppose there are any horsemen that believe it was way too quick to bring back a 3y.o. colt with that kind of talent off such a terrible stumble?

DA3HOSS,

I beg to differ...it's not a joke to consider SUMMER BIRD or MINE THAT BIRD one-hit-wonders until they prove otherwise.  If MTB needs a perfect trip to win, how reliable is he?  He had dead aim on the wire but got late...moved too early?  Sure.  He couldn't even outfinish DUNKIRK who suffered an injury...how good can MTB really be?  He danced all the dances and I respect his in-the-money finishes in all three.  I'll shut up if he wins the Travers or Haskell...or maybe he doesn't win those and upsets the BC Classic field.

Is it money or accomplishments that make a stakes winning horse more than ordinary?  For me, it's the latter.

MTB FAN (STILL),

Support your plucky, little gelding.  One thing I admire about him is that he's a trier...now, if his one run could only be timed to perfection each race!  Trainer Woolley is going to have to find a way to get MTB to close strongly while running wide...no rider in their right minds will allow that gelding to skim the rail ever again in a G.1 race.

Amateurcapper 12 Jun 2009 2:18 AM

I think the rail is the best place for MtB...unfortunately, I think that's his falling, not because he can't always win races from the rail, but because most jockeys will predict that and, as I heard one commentator (or maybe it was someone on here, I'm not sure) mention, he'd end up in the infield...:-/ What I saw in the Belmont was that Bird didn't have the discipline for following the wide curve yet (as well as the more debatable aspects like being let out too early, being tired and all that. But I think he had TONS of energy)

MtBFan (STILL) 14 Jun 2009 1:46 PM

MTBFAN (STILL),

Did you see BOREL's rail skimming ride on MISS ISELLA in the Fleur de Lis at CD???  It was a risky and brave move.  If you haven't seen it, that race is a must see.

If there's any question after that performance that BOREL is the jockey for MINE THAT BIRD, I can't believe what else he needs to do.  WOOLLEY needs to remember, without BOREL he probably wouldn't have been a Kentucky Derby winner.

I'll tell you, BOREL may have swung MTB out too soon in the Belmont S. but he also saw fellow cajun DESORMEAUX hugging the rail on SUMMER BIRD and knew he wouldn't let MTB through.  He didn't want to lose position while the horses directly in front were tiring, so the only path was on the outside.

If I owned a horse anywhere on the east or south, BOREL would be my rider.  The dude is smart and fearless.  He'll usually make the right move.

If you have time, check out my last two posts about the Triple Crown (amateurcapper.blogspot.com).

Amateurcapper 16 Jun 2009 12:29 AM

AmateurCapper:

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but that's almost what I was trying to point out. Both Borel and Mine That Bird need to get extra training on following the wide turn. MtB was following it rather ragged, despite the excellent forward drive. Sort of an oxymoron...or something. :) Maybe MtB should try barrel racing. Hey, he can come here to Texas :D

MtBFan (STILL) 17 Jun 2009 12:37 PM

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