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Thoroughbred Pedigree Review -- Queen Bailey

In posts past, we've looked at pedigrees of all types of horses:  mares for sale, new and established sires, and a few Thoroughbred race horses that I've identified as having interesting breeding.  A frequent commenter thought it would be fun to "analyze" the horses owned by other blog contributors. 

I like the idea and would enjoy the opportunity to hear feedback on these horses.

The idea is to share insights on specific details of a given horse's five-cross pedigree.  What works, what doesn't.  Whether the subject horse is living up to her potential as a sprinter, or perhaps whether she would do better on the turf.  What ancestors the horse most closely resembles -- he's the perfect replica of his sire, or he looks more like his broodmare sire.  Whether there's a relative that's rarely seen in pedigrees, or perhaps whether the subject horse has especially common bloodlines.  Perhaps you recall watching her third dam win a race 30 years ago.  Or you bred to his grandsire before he became a top-tier sire.  Feel free to comment on what you think of the subject horse in terms of breeding potential, as well.

We'll start this week with the mare Queen Bailey (pedigree).  Unfortunately, no picture is available. 

Here's what owner Cah has to say about the mare's pedigree:  As you can see the dam line is pretty deep, especially Queen Pat.  Student Council has been a lot of fun to follow this year and last.  Queen Pat and her daughters are from the late Fred Hoopers' breeding program and even though Queen Bailey is unraced, I feel there is a lot of potential. 

I like the Thoroughbred family 9-e lineage; Queen Bailey's eighth dam is none other than Fairy Gold, the dam of both Fair Play and Friar Rock.  Up closer in Queen Bailey's pedigree, we find the stakes-winning mare Pat's Joy, whose first seven foals were winners, and who is out of the multiple stakes-producing Queen Pat.  As Cah pointed out, Student Council (SRO) also desends from this line; his third dam is Queen Pat.

Queen Bailey's sire is the former Lane's End stallion Supremo, a son of Gone West (SRO) and bred on the popular Mr. Prospector-Northern Dancer cross. 

I notice that this mare has a preponderance of Selene (pedigree) bloodlines both top and bottom -- in fact, the dam of Hyperion and Pharamond and Sickle appears 13 times in Queen Bailey's first 10 generations.

There are a fair share of stallions in the mare's pedigree that are not commonly seen, especially in the U.S. -- including broodmare sire Daryl's Joy, the 1968 champion 2-year-old in New Zealand who was bred 3 X 3 to Hyperion.

When you look at Queen Bailey's pedigree, what jumps out at you?  Observations welcome.

15 Comments:

Is this mare AUS or US?  

Gin 23 Sep 2008 7:48 PM

Is this mare AUS or US?  

Gin 23 Sep 2008 7:48 PM

I'm quite familiar with the line and if you're looking to bring this mare to the right stallion it's not going to be cheap. Street Cry is a must book for this mare. If his fee is too expensive i'd look into street sense. If you want a great classy foal who will have even great value unraced as a broodmare i'd send her right to street cry or his best son to date street sense. Boy o Boy was that first cop of his something!!!

ed 23 Sep 2008 8:40 PM

What immediately jumped out at me is the presence of Andover Way (Dynaformer's dam) in Supremo's damside.  Without any further research...breeding her to a son of Dynaformer, or a stud out of a Dynaformer mare (if one exists) might be interesting.  

BTJake 24 Sep 2008 9:12 AM

I was too curious to not research my Dynaformer suggestion...Purim and Strong Contender are the examples I found.  And Offlee Wild also has Andover Way in his pedigree.  This one gets you Hyperion in the 5th generation.  

I don't have a particular analysis one way or the other...but the question was "what jumps out at you?"  

BTJake 24 Sep 2008 9:23 AM

Queen Bailey was bred in this country.  She has an awesome Mass Media colt by her side.

cah 24 Sep 2008 9:48 AM

My first thought was MY BOY!! Holy Bull. OK cross- not excellent. Then, thinking comercially I thought Giants Causeway if 300,000 is too much go for Heatseeker. I checked it out and both GC and Heat are A++ rated for the mare.

Stephanie 24 Sep 2008 11:32 AM

Proven sires - Arch / Lemon Drop Kid - New sire - Purge - Affordable- Kitalpha $7500 a full brother to Kingmambo who has had success overseas.

LL 24 Sep 2008 1:43 PM

I love her bottom breeding, if I recall I believe that Daryl's Joy was a descent broodmare sire. It's a solid pedigree but I think that I would look at breeding her with Tiznow.

Julie L. 24 Sep 2008 3:35 PM

I like Offlee Wild A LOT for Queen Bailey; and Strong Contender is a very nice horse, besides his pedigree.  I can't really defend it, but I'd be interested to see a Kris S stallion on this mare.. Maybe, Action This Day??

On a whim I did some searching... But, if you were to breed-to-race, Publisher by Kris S could be interesting because it would duplicate Andover Way... Sadly, I think he's in Ireland.

As an outcross, you could aways go Slew.. She does leave you open to several possibilities given that she's Mr. Prospector-line. I think any Seattle Slew or A.P. Indy stallion (if you don't mind a X to Secretariat, and that preferably isn't out of an MP mare) could be lovely. Maybe Master Command, Golden Missile, Stephen Got Even... Am I crazy to think this?

PedigreeAddict 24 Sep 2008 4:08 PM

My dream horse for 'Queenie', as a previous comment suggested, would be Giant's Causeway and it would have been great to have had the opportunity to go to Roberto.  The Purim suggestion is interesting as Film Maker is one of my all time favorite mares and Barbaro goes without saying!

cah 24 Sep 2008 4:41 PM

I know this might sound completely weird...i'm not much of a breeder, but i AM into racing...

When i first saw her pedigree, i thought she was nothing...but, when i researched her broodmare line i found out about how strong of a broodmare line she has. So, after researching, a family line popped up. a great cross with her Mr. Prospecter/northern dancer line...Flashy bull. When someone said something about Holy Bull and totally ruled his line out, take a look again. Holy bull himself would not be very good. But flashy bull has a very classy female side. Lyphard, manila ,blushing groom. All, from what i've heard, are decent broodmare sires. He has great conformation, great head on him. Not too expensive. I think it's a steal....7500 for a MGSW...not bad.

What do you guys think? i'm learning....

Springhill 24 Sep 2008 11:29 PM

a visit to red ransom for queen bailey for me.

what do you think of sir trentin (unraced as yet) (AUS)x desert sun/her note x red ransom.

dam has cracking street cry yearling dk/bay colt.

ROSS 25 Sep 2008 4:40 AM

Student Council is going to stud at the end of the year. If you like him and he fits well with Queen Baily, that would repeat Queen Pat 3x4. It also gives you full brothers His Majesty & Graustark. There's a lot of good Darby Dan bloodlines with this cross.

If you like Giant's Causeway, then you might consider Freud or Roar of the Tiger as cheaper options.

Firebrand 28 Sep 2008 7:53 PM

I stumbled upon this blog and enjoyed it thoroughly. I bought one horse in a bankruptcy sale in o5. She won her first race. She has went on to win 5x with earnings nearly 60k . She is still the only horse I have ever owned. I am retiring her and bringing her home on the farm this week to possibly breed this year. I am in the midst of all the possibilities from pedigree experts and stud farms. Everyone has a different opinion. I wondered if it would be possible to use her as the next example pedigree. I know she does'nt have any real commercial value, but I want to raise a colt to race again hopefully one day. My question, is she a prospect for such a mating?, and if so, who to.

Her name is luknluv. By Best of Luck.

  • Scot's reply:  I've posted a few notes about your mare and a couple of other readers' horses.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Kelly 30 Sep 2008 10:24 PM

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