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Broodmarathon -- Lisa the Great at OBS

We're back in Ocala for today's broodmare pedigree review pick.  Lisa the Great is one of the first hips through the ring during the Consignor Preferred listings (Day 1) part of the sale. Some stats on this broodmare:

Hip #3 (catalog page, pedigree), a 6-year-old mare named Lisa the Great, sells Mon., Oct. 6, 2008  at the OBS Fall mixed sale
  • Thoroughbred female family:  9-f
  • Race record:  five wins and 15 times in the money from 28 starts for total earnings of $99,010
  • Produce record: dam of one foal, an Exchange Rate (SRO) colt of 2008
  • Covering sire: Put It Back (SRO).  Livetime yearling average: $24,610.  2008 stud fee:  $7,500. 

This mare has one of those pedigrees that works just fine in the three-cross version provided in the sales catalog.  Who needs the full five-cross pedigree when you recognize all the names in generation two and three?

By the useful Mr. Prospector stallion Cape Canaveral (SRO), Lisa the Great is out of the Dynaformer (SRO) mare Reach, a granddaughter of the wonderful mare Alluvial, dam of Slew o' Gold and Coastal.  Alluvial, in turn, is granddaughter of the blue hen mare Bourtai, producer of five stakes winners and an additional black type-placed offspring, including two broodmares of the year.

Lisa the Great has Mr. Prospector, Seattle Slew, and Northern Dancer all in her first three generations.  Add to that the Dynaformer bloodline, and it's clear that her foals will be either fairly closely inbred (her '08 Exchange Rate foal is Northern Dancer 3 x 4, Mr. Prospector 4 x 3, and Buckpasser 5 x 5) or outcrossed by going to In Reality-line sires (such as Put It Back, sire of her carried foal).  An A.P. Indy-line sire would yield Seattle Slew 3 x 4, not too close for comfort.  Several stand in Florida that would be good matches for Lisa the Great.

Any thoughts about this mare?  Do you still like to see the full five cross pedigree in a case like this, when the three cross pedigree tells most of the story?  Would you stick with A.P. Indy sons or branch out to a different sire line for the mare's next breeding?

11 Comments:

Lido Palace or Peace Rules might be an option.

sidekickflats 05 Oct 2008 10:57 PM

How about first year stallion Adriano? He'd be my pick.

catsvx 06 Oct 2008 8:15 AM

Holy Bull.  

BTJake 06 Oct 2008 9:02 AM

Scot you commented on Andover Way before and mentioned Offlee Wild as a good cross for Dynaformer mares.  I think Offlee Wild would be good for this mare too.  You would get Seattle Slew and Andover Way both 3x4 plus inbreeding to Nearctic BUT you would avoid doubling up on either Northern Dancer or Mr. Prospector.  For 10 grand, he's a pretty good deal too.

DynaformerLives 06 Oct 2008 9:39 AM

tapit is my choice

kt 06 Oct 2008 10:39 AM

Candy Ride, though his stud fee is probably going up. Brings in Blushing Groom, Lyphard, through Invasor's sire (Candy Ride's grandsire) Candy Stripes...great family to bring in with this mares pedigree.

da3hoss 06 Oct 2008 1:05 PM

Can we take her over seas for Swain?  My other choice would be War Pass.

handride 06 Oct 2008 1:45 PM

I like the Peace Rules idea. Unusual in that his female side brings 'old' foundation lines forward through so few generations that complement/duplicate this mare.

outsider 06 Oct 2008 6:49 PM

The decision really depends on your plans as to wheather you wish to sell the offspring of this mare or you are building your future broodmare band through her.

For the second option- I would find SOUND, well confirmed stallions from the very lines( Prospector, Northern Dancer , seatle slew) that will produce in-breeding and hope you get lots of fillies. There you got your broodmares. If you have done your home work- you have also achieved in breeding to 1/2 brothers and 1/2 sisters to the dams of these great stallions.

Ref: Col Hal Walker and others.

shimatoree 06 Oct 2008 7:16 PM

Someone got a bargain!  Lisa the Great sold Oct. 6 for only $5,500 -- less than the stud fee of the covering sire.

sgillies 06 Oct 2008 9:54 PM

there is a lot to like about this mare - young, had a lot of starts, was competitive (even tho no stakes money), first foal by a hot sire that's producing nice race horses.....  I'm not familiar with the covering sire, Put It Back, so I looked him up on the bloodhorse stallion page.  The auction results do not show Lisa the Great, although they do show a mare that sold after her.  I'm wondering if she slipped this foal and went thru the sale barren??  does anyone know?  That would certainly explain the low price.

To be commercial in the long run, this mare needs for her dam, Reach, to produce some black type, or the Exchange Rate weanling to race well.  She's a mare that seems worth the risk (of course we don't know what she looks like).  The weanling brought $24K so it must have looked the part.

catnip lane 07 Oct 2008 12:34 PM

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