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Thoroughbred Stallion Prospects at the Fall Sales

Hip #1 (catalog page, pedigree), a 4-year-old colt named GREAT HUNTER, sells Sun., Nov. 2, 2008  at the Fasig-Tipton November mixed sale

  • Thoroughbred female family:  1-n
  • Race record:  3 wins, 4 places, 1 show from 15 starts, for earnings of $970,500.  Won 2006 Lane's End Breeder's Futurity (gr. I) and 2007 Robert B. Lewis Stakes (gr. II).
  • Stallion Prospect 
  • Previous sale:  bargain 2005 Keeneland September yearling purchase for $30,000
  • Big Draw:  a near-millionaire, juvenile grade I-winning son of hot sire Aptitude (SRO).

Hip #5331 (catalog page, pedigree), a 4-year-old colt named EARTH PLANET, sells Sun., Nov. 16, 2008  at the Keeneland November mixed sale

  • Thoroughbred female family:  2-d, the Almahmoud family of Northern Dancer and Halo.
  • Race record:  2 wins, 2 places, 2 shows from 9 starts, for earnings of $66,594
  • Racing or Stallion Prospect 
  • Big Draw:  Young half-brother to Danehill (pedigree), the now-deceased European high-weighted runner and frequent leading sire (in Australia, France, England, Hong Kong, and Ireland).
  • Trivia:  The mare Razyana died of foaling complications after delivering Earth Planet in February 2004.  (Original BloodHorse.com article)

We'll switch gears today to discuss the sale of stallion prospects.  Keeneland's November sale offers 23 stallion prospects and an additional 115 racing/stallion prospects, while Fasig-Tipton has just one hip offered in this category.

Top-tier stallions are generally retired to stud in one of three ways: by the owner, by a syndicate, or by private sale to a stud farm.  Every year, though, many marginal horses and a few higher-end prospects are put through the ring.  Some will wind up as the house stallion for a smaller farm, others will become commercial stallions in a regional market, and a few will be marketed as commercial or breed-to-race sires in larger breeding markets.

Great Hunter's juvenile scores and his ability to mature to distances over a mile are both points in his favor, as is the success of his sire, A.P. Indy (SRO)-line stallion Aptitude. I'd guess offhand that Great Hunter finds a home in a large breeding market, with opportunities to cover mares from a multitude of genetic backgrounds.  It's not easy to choose mares for him, though, without running into substantial inbreeding.  Great Hunter is a Seattle Slew-line stallion out of a Mr. Prospector-line mare, and is inbred 3 x 4 to Northern Dancer.  Add to that several crosses of Buckpasser, and it's clear that this stallion's new owner will want to look for some outcross mares.  I'd suggest Holy Bull (SRO) and his sons, especially Giacomo (SRO) and Flashy Bull (SRO).

Earth Planet is more likely to become a farm stallion outside of mainstream commercial breeding. He didn't prove greatness on the track, but he descends from the blue hen mare Razyana, making him a young half-brother to the successful sire Danehill. I'd want to see Earth Planet paired with mares carrying Northern Dancer left, right, and center.  Not only is his half-brother, Danehill, a Northern Dancer-line stallion, but every grade I winner by his own sire, Distant View, had Northern Dancer-line sires and/or broodmare sires.  It also gives a great opportunity to capitalize on the proven Rasmussen Factor inbreeding to Natalma.  Any smaller breeders out there with a large population of mares rich in Northern Dancer blood but lacking Mr. Prospector lines?  Here's your opportunity.

What type of program do you see these stallions fitting in to?  What mare population / bloodlines would be the best pick for them? 

12 Comments:

Good grand-sons of AP Indy are starting to hit quite successfully so Great Hunter could have a home somewhere in KY or a respectable regional market. Though I suspect if there was KY interest for him he wouldn't be going through a sale.

Earth Planet will end up with foreign interests somewhere. He can be marketed up the wazzoo in less developed and competitive markets.

C Bea 22 Oct 2008 4:23 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Earth Planet winds up standing for 5k in KY. There are stallions with lesser race records and MUCH lesser pedigree standing in KY for a fee higher than 5k

Stephanie 22 Oct 2008 5:19 PM

Holy cow!!! I can't believe anyone can seriously think about either horse as a stallion prospect. Aptitude is a dismal failure and you would breed to one of his sons??? Are you crazy?

Distant View has a couple of decent sires in Observatory and Distant Music, both G1 winners, not moderate winners. And 1/2 to Danehill doesn't mean much when full brothers (and better racehorses) Anziyan and Eagle Eyed couldn't do much.

Elaine 22 Oct 2008 5:53 PM

I like Great Hunter and I think he could start of in PA or NY for 2.5 to 5k. Earth Planet should be gelded...

HR LLC 22 Oct 2008 8:00 PM

There are already too many mediocre stallions being bred to too many mediocre mares anyway; and what happens to the too many mediocre foals?...the byproduct of indiscriminate breeding.

Adele Maxon 23 Oct 2008 9:29 AM

Great Hunter should be kept racing unless he had an injury that I am not aware of that forces his retirement.  

As of Earth Planet- he should be given a chance in stud. Look at Danzig, you get the picture. Same as La Troienne, she became a super mare when she entered stud. So the stallion should be given a chance, also in the show-ring.

flytothestars 23 Oct 2008 10:03 AM

NO THANKS.....Great Hunter is the best son of a below average sire whose yearlings are averaging about $38K at auction!!!  His race record started out decent...but he ended up winning only 3 races of 15 starts(20%) and finished in the money only a little over 50% of the time.

As for Earth Planet....you would probably have had to ship him to another planet for him to win a decent race...Yes his dam produced some nice runners and sires....but they were all from a cross with a Northern Dancer line sire, not a Native Dancer line as Distant View is.  Maybe he would be good at Dresage or Hunter Jumper?????

davisondad 23 Oct 2008 2:24 PM

I would hardly consider Aptitude to be a hot stallion! He has been a big disappointment in spite of his strong connections in supporting him. He should be standing for $7500 period!

kbp 24 Oct 2008 8:26 PM

Great Hunter doesn't look like anything special.  Earth Planet should be raced another year or two, and if he does anything then give him a chance at stud.  He should do well with mares with Northern Dancer and/or Halo breeding.

Redbean 25 Oct 2008 12:26 AM

Great Hunter will probably end up in one of the state bred programs probably of a lesser known state, with a modest fee of under 5k.  Lord Avie, Wolf Power, Valid Appeal lined mares seem to cross with Apitude.

Earth Planet would be lucky to have a similar fate as Great Hunter and will probably go to a farm that wants their own stallion and bred to race locals, and ultimatly be bred for sport horses.

hardlyhatful 25 Oct 2008 2:35 AM

Update - Great Hunter (FTNOV hip #1) was an OUT at the sale.

sgillies 03 Nov 2008 2:11 PM

Update - Earth Planet (KEENOV hip #5331) sold for a respectable $60,000.

sgillies 16 Nov 2008 5:39 PM

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