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Larry Jones Talks Thoroughbred Pedigrees

 

Okay, the truth is, trainer Larry Jones will discuss Thoroughbred pedigrees and breeding only if YOU ask him to.

Jones will be the next guest on Talkin' Horses, an interview that is conducted with questions submitted by readers of BloodHorse.com. 

The problem (as I see it) is that most Talkin' Horses segments attract a viewership made up almost exclusively of racing fans.  As opposed to breeders or pedigree students.  There'll be 200 questions submitted asking such drivel as "How's Friesan Fire holding up?" and "Do you think Old Fashioned can make 10 furlongs?"  And how about "Tell me about Hard Spun ... does he like carrots?"

NO! 

I want to know "Have you seen Hard Spun's first foals?  Does he stamp his colts?" and "What stallion advice would you give to Gov. Brereton Jones when he's ready to retire Proud Spell?

If you're of like mind, here's what you need to do:

  1. Read the Talkin' Horses release if you want to know more about the feature.
  2. Submit your questions for Larry Jones.  I can't force you to make the questions pedigree-related, but I'm asking nicely.  We're working on the honor system here, folks.
  3. If you haven't already done so, read my comments from earlier this month in Jonesing for the Roses.
  4. And then come back to BloodHorse.com a week from today -- March 26 at noon -- to hear the audio interview.

 

29 Comments:

Why can't I see a transcript of the interview?

  • Scot's reply:  Based on feedback from BloodHorse.com users, Talkin' Horses was updated a couple of months ago to its new audio format that allows fans to hear the interview (either directly streamed on the Web site or in a downloadable podcast).  The crew responsible for this feature are interested in user feedback, and they incorporated a new functionality that lists the interview questions and allows you to jump right to the response.
takethat 19 Mar 2009 3:50 PM

I would like to know what kind of physical he thinks is best suited for Hard Spun after seeing the first foals - if he has actually seen any of them.

Sometimes the Danzig stallions need mares with plenty of bone and leg.

Oscetra 19 Mar 2009 4:41 PM

Larry,

I am a great admirer of what you do and what you belive in throughout Thoroughbred Racing.

I am a small breeder and I breed to race.  I live in southern Oklahoma so it is hard to ship out to Kentucky.  I have about 6 broodmares from sales like Keeneland and Fasig-Tipton.  This year, I hired an agent to buy a yearling filly that is Kentucky bred at the Fasig-Tipton sale to run with my Jump Start filly which is Oklahoma bred.  

I have three questions:

1.  What do think about Jump Start crossing with Rahy mare and Deputy Minister on the bottom?  She is a nice individual?

2.  I bought a Borrego Filly with Darshaan on the bottom as the broodmare sire.  The mare ran out $50,000 and Placed in a grade 2 in Ireland.  She has produced a few $100,000 winners.  The filly does not look like any Brorrego's, she has shorter hocks and big bone so I think she probably looks like her mother.  Does Borrego have a chance for some good runners since their are some other El Prado sires that are doing well?  Oklahoma has better purses now since gaming has increased and she will be scheduled to run in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Texas.

3.  Do you reccomend any good sires in Oklahoma area that may cross well with Crafty Prospector and Rahy?

Thank you for your time and best of luck for you in the future.

John Coffey

John Coffey 19 Mar 2009 5:01 PM

FEEDBACK:   Would like to read the transcipt as some of us do not have the computer equiptment to listen.  Very much interested, though. It takes me an hour to watch a 2 minute race. Can't get the fast stuff where I live in the country...yet.

Driftin Sage 19 Mar 2009 6:10 PM

When Larry looks at 2yo in training sales, does his preference go to the fast early developers, or is he open to horses with great form and classic late developers like the Tiznows?

TJluvsTizs 19 Mar 2009 6:25 PM

Hi Mr.Jones,

Besides being very talented, could you comment on any other similarities of the Unbridled Song's that you have trained?

Thanks and  

ALL the BEST to you!

Susan 19 Mar 2009 6:32 PM

Hi Mr. Jones,

Thank you for your time! I've got a couple of questions..

1) Who are some of your role models inside the industry and why?

2) Besides the horses you train / have trained (because I know you are equally fond of all your trainees!), what are some horses - past or present - that stick out to you/wish you had the opportunity to train?

hmb0725 19 Mar 2009 7:40 PM

I won't be able to hear the live audio interview - Will I be able to hear a replay or read a transcript?

  • Scot's reply:  The interview will be archived on BloodHorse.com -- you will be able to listen to it after the 26th either by streaming audio or by podcast.
AnneM 19 Mar 2009 8:42 PM

Please put up a transcript! I am deaf and i obviously cant hear the audio.

ASHLEY 19 Mar 2009 9:25 PM

Hello Mr. Jones:

You are primarily a horse trainer, and also an owner. I follow racing rather closely, and am a long-time breeder and owner. I haven't noticed your name listed as breeder for any high caliber horses. Should this be the case, why are you one to offer advice on this specific subject? I know a great many trainers who know/understand next to nothing about genetics, and relatively little about pedigrees.  

sceptre 19 Mar 2009 9:26 PM

If you are looking for feedback, I prefer the transcript to listening to the audio format, apparently a lot of other readers do as well. I know this represents additional expense to you but given the quality of your guests I hope you will consider reinstating the access to a transcript. Thanks !

fortyniner 19 Mar 2009 9:59 PM

I have seen your success with the Northern Dancer line (Hard Spun), Seattle Slew -AP indy (Friesan Fire) and Mr Prospector through Unbridled Song. If you have to decide for one, which one would you keep and why?

ALBERTO MATA 19 Mar 2009 10:18 PM

When you are studying a horse pedigree where do you start from?  The mare line or the stallion line?

Which want you give it more weight?

and why?

ALBERTO MATA 19 Mar 2009 10:21 PM

I'm with Ashley!! I'm deaf and it's not fair nor right to leave hearing impaired racing fans out of the loop. We have the right to information just like anyone else. The only difference is that we have to READ. Put up a transcript!! It shouldn't cost Bloodhorse anything to put up a transcript of interviews.

Quira 20 Mar 2009 12:02 AM

Why do the big name breeders seem so afraid of stallions with a proven track performance and durability but don't have "popular" bloodlines such as Mr Prospector, etc. within 3 generations? Silver Charm comes to mind for me. The gene pool needs as much variety as it can get, and yet breeders seem to be fixated on certain bloodlines. Inbreeding could be a big problem later on.

Why are so many young horses being retired to stud? I speak of 2 year olds, like Ready's Image and whatnot. They didnt race as 3yo, so why are they standing stud? In my eyes they dont deserve to stand at stud. If they were retired because they werent sound or injuried, then why are they standing stud? I dont understand why the Green Monkey is even standing stud!! He has nothing to recommend him. He didnt even manage to win one single race. Pedigree alone doesn't cut it for me. Track performance counts too. Why can breeders be so stupid?

Quira 20 Mar 2009 12:13 AM

All the sales catalogs are "mainly" focusing on the first 3 dams (generations). The 4th & 5th are only present when the first 3 are a "little" weak on paper.

My question is; Do you look at the 4-5 generation? if so, how much does the "funding" female family mean to you, when you pick a racing prospect? Also: How much influence do other lines from the female family (half sisters to 1st & 2nd dam etc. and their produce record) have on your final decision?

Chris 20 Mar 2009 8:08 AM

This question borders on hearesy, but what do you think about breeding by type as opposed to bloodline. I.E. quarter horse great H. Wiescamp's Skipper W's could be spotted a 100 yards away and served their purpose consistently and very well?

scott 20 Mar 2009 10:51 AM

I'm also hearing impaired and I have always enjoyed READING the transcripts.  The streaming video has nice pictures but I generally have no idea what is being said unless I can lip read the speaker.

Dianne 20 Mar 2009 1:57 PM

I feel that the female families sometimes seem to get short shrift with too much emphasis put on the sire lines.  The mares that are producing should also be held to the same high standard as the stallions as far as racing soundness and ability to race.  The only saving grace is that mares can only produce one foal per year while bad stallions can put too many foals on the ground.  What are your thoughts?

Dianne 20 Mar 2009 2:06 PM

TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT

Erin 20 Mar 2009 4:18 PM

What do you look for in a jockey?

Sara in Ohio 20 Mar 2009 4:37 PM

Mr. Jones,

When you are going through the catalog what stallions do you make a point to put a circle around and make sure you get at least a glance at them? I love the Indian Charlie's they all look like the definition of speed. Any stallions that have you baffled with their subpar performances based on the conformation they tend to get?

Matt in Saratoga 20 Mar 2009 7:42 PM

Mr. Jones

I must first say that you are something to aspire to when it comes to the level of class you have shown over the past year.  You handled the toughest situations with nothing but class and integrity and you are just what the thoroughbred business needs.  

My question relates to buying horses out of the auction.  What criteria must a horse meet physically for you and what sort of system do you use to grade each individual at the sale?  Do you factor the pedigree into the physical or just use it as a basis as for how much you are going to have to pay for the particular horse?  Thanks for your time and the best of luck on the Triple Crown trail this year!

jdz033 20 Mar 2009 9:28 PM

I'd like to add my name to the list of people wanting to see a transcript option.  Those of us on dial up--there are still a few of us around who can't get high speed--would much appreciate being able to read rather than listen.  

Robbie 20 Mar 2009 10:09 PM

Hi Mr. Jones!

I admire your success and feel sad that a trainer of your caliber is retiring at the end of the year.

I've got a few questions for you.

1. I am going to invest in a $50 000 claimer that ran 4th 4 times in 7 life time starts. He is coming returning from a 3 month rest from racing. my question is how long would it take for him to be ready to race.

2.Whats your take on Came Home runners?

3 I have a Came Home colt who is by a Dixieland Band broodmare. Is that breeding combination a good one.

chapy 20 Mar 2009 10:13 PM

I request transcript too. Sometimes people are hard to understand, and some things need to be read several times to truly digest. Not the same as hearing, even on replay.

Tiznowbaby 21 Mar 2009 8:19 PM

Ashley, and Quira:

I also am a hearing-impaired lady. I request transcript, too. It is very important for us to know what Mr. Jones will say? Are you interesting horse racing, or not? I have been love horse racing for 30 years over because I love Seattle Slew! I saw him twice, and other ones, too. I am cheering Slew babies, and grandbabies including Freisan Fire!

Hi Mr. Jones

I wish you best luck with Friesan Fire...I bet he will win the Ky Derby, and maybe will win the Triple Crown Winner you never know? And, I also did summitted a message for you, and hope you will read it.

I also want to tell you all that I have sewing (make fabrics)on Barbaro, Slew, Ruffian, and few other ones. I will start working on Eight Belles one day...It looks so beautiful with frame on it. I have Barbaro, but will give it to his owners if I can go to Barbaro Memorial Service next month. If you are really interesting my sewing horses and let me know about it?

Thanks!

ILVSLEW 22 Mar 2009 9:59 AM

I submitted a short breeding-only question, but don't see it here among the comments. Will the question still be submitted to Mr. Jones?

  • Scot's reply:  Hey FBR.  I have published any/all comments that you sent to this site.  If you submitted it to the main Talkin' Horses forum, the Web Production team has submitted the questions already!
For Big Red 22 Mar 2009 11:24 AM

Scot, Based on feedback from BloodHorse.com usersgreatly preferred transcripts, but we love you guys anyway, if you want to go toall that work for podcasts for far less people, hey, ok by me,but I'll especially miss what Larry Jones has to say,

  • Scot's reply:  Da3hoss, thanks for your comments!  I'll pass them along to the Talkin' Horses team.  Please remember that Talkin' Horses has been around for a while -- in transcript format for years! -- and the move to audio was based on a review of user preferences.  The comments you see in these blogs have tended to be complaints that no typed transcript is available, but the overall response has favored the audio format.
da3hoss 26 Mar 2009 7:10 PM

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