Broodmarathon: Given Terms Offers Opportunity to Obtain Barbaro's Family

Many pedigree pundits mourn the loss of Barbaro from the perspective of his sire-line legacy: he would have been heir apparent to Dynaformer. (I'm still partial to Purim to fill this role.) But Barbaro also was the best representative of an outstanding female family, that of La Reine Rouge.

La Reine Rouge was a stakes winner and sister to a graded winner. Her produce includes two stakes winners (one graded) in addition to Barbaro's grade II-placed dam. Additionally, no fewer than four of La Reine Rouge's eight daughters are stakes producers.

Given Terms (Private Terms--La Reine Rouge) is not one of them. In fact, she never managed a win. But she was an attractive broodmare candidate because of her strong catalog page, and she has had several opportunities with mid-range stallions. I think it's fair to say she's been solid, but certainly not exceptional, in her role as a producer. All of her foals of racing age have started and two of her runners are iron horses: Fire It Up (2002 Chester House gelding) raced 38 times including 17 starts as a 4-year-old, and 10-year-old Shrewd Stipulation (2000 Crafty Prospector gelding) already has added 10 starts to his record this year. The sprinter now shows 72-14-19-7 lifetime with $324,174 earnings.

Hip #3601 (catalog page, pedigree), a 15-year-old mare named GIVEN TERMS, sells Wed., Nov. 17, 2010 at the Keeneland November mixed sale

  • Thoroughbred female family:  16-h
  • Race record:  9-0-1-1. Earned $8,655.
  • Produce record: dam of eight foals, six of racing age, six runners, four winners.
  • Sale history:  $47,000 RNA as a 1995 Keeneland November weanling; $70,000 as a 1996 Fasig-Tipton Saratoga yearling; $62,000 RNA as a 1997 Barretts March 2-year-old; $80,000 as a 1999 Keeneland November broodmare (IFT Crafty Prospector); $16,000 RNA as a 2005 Keeneland November broodmare (IFT Cuvee); $40,000 RNA as a 2006 Keeneland November broodmare (IFT More Than Ready).
  • Covering sire: Visionaire

Clearly, at 15 and without black type in her produce history, Given Terms is not going to attract interest from commercial breeders. Make no mistake, this is one of the culls that top breeders make every year as they evaluate their stock. But serious breed-to-race operations that want to infuse their breeding operations with pedigree class at a budget might wish to take a look.  The bloodlines are royal top and bottom. I'll estimate that Given Terms--"aunt" of Barbaro--can be obtained for a $7,000 to $10,000 final bid, which easily could be a bargain just for the carried foal. (For reference: last year's Session 10 average was $8,431 and median was $6,000.)

By the way:  want to see what Given Terms produces?  While you're at the sale, you can also take a look at hip 4309, her 2010 weanling filly by Horse Greeley.

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Horsefirst

I wonder what the mare could produce with Rock Hard Ten?  I hate to bring in Mr. Prospector but her dam's best cross seems to have been with the Prospector line and I wonder if it would help this mare?  With RHT, the Prospector would come from his dam line and  you'd also get Dynaformer's sire line with Roberto and a return of Princequillo.  But, RHT is a stallion probably out of the prosepctive price range for this mare.

12 Oct 2010 5:09 PM
MyBigRed

It would be nice if Roy & Gretchen Jackson purchase this mare, Given Terms. I think they would give her a wonderful home and add her to their stable of Brood Mares.

13 Oct 2010 9:53 AM
Pedigree Ann

Actually, Crafty Prospector is more In Reality than than he is Mr. P. And he sires tough, professional racing stock. I'd go with a similar type rather than a similar pedigree: Slew City Slew. Yeah, he's old. So what? He's had two good stakes horses this year.

13 Oct 2010 10:11 AM
Rachel

Cull...certainly a term to endear newbies...

13 Oct 2010 10:29 AM
JAJ

Rachel,

I'm sorry you are offended by the concept of culling.  It is what is done to keep improving what one is producing--one can't keep improving on their broodmare band without removing the lesser producing mares.

A cull from some of those top breeding farms is often a very good mare to a lesser breeder.

13 Oct 2010 12:30 PM
Pedigree Ann

10yo Shrewd Stipulation won again this afternoon in the opener at Suffolk. Why was she never sent back to Crafty Prospector? That's the only reason to do the 'scatter gun' sire choices in her early years - find out what works so you can send her back to the sires that are best for her. He wasn't pensioned until March 2007, plenty of time to get in after that first foal showed his ability. Too bad she can't go to CP's best son, Agnes Digital (he stands in Japan where he was a champion). Graeme Hall seems to be be a grandson  with some 'Craftiness' about him.

13 Oct 2010 1:06 PM
L

JAJ,

Unfortunately if you ask the average person on the street, they'll tell you the term 'cull' usually means to kill a lesser animal, either at birth or when they are too old to be useful anymore.

13 Oct 2010 2:01 PM
Pedigree Shelly

       The only thing remarkable about the mare Given Terms is her female family ! I think Purim would definately be a good choice !

13 Oct 2010 2:03 PM
Kim

The term "to cull" is often misunderstood. The actual definition as it refers to animals is simply the act of removing inferior animals from the group. Notice that there is no mention of killing. People often misunderstand this, and the word "culling" has an undeservedly bad rap. People, please don't automatically equate "cull" with "kill".

13 Oct 2010 4:14 PM
rolene

YES, that would be great if Roy@Gretchen Jackson would purchase Given Terms. She has a lot of life. I wish I could. So I hope someone is good to her.

13 Oct 2010 6:44 PM
diastu

I'd buy her and take her to Dynaformer himself, then to Purim! But I dream a lot!

13 Oct 2010 9:14 PM
Margo

I believe the stallion is a huge part of a foals potential so when you breed to an ok stallion your gonna get an ok foal. She has the pedigree use that to her advantage! Breed her to something that has Giants Causeway in it. He brings the Roberto line just like Dynaformer he also brings Secretariat, Northern Dancer, Storm Cat, Rahy, and Blushing Groom! He will also bring commercial status. If you think of it she produced very well with not so great stallions, shes a nice mare give her some credit her foals are iron horses breed her to Giants Causeway get a good looking animal that can run with an amazing pedigree! You cant pass that pedigree up!Sure at first the fol might not bring a lot but wait till it runs. Yes shes an older mare but look at Secretariats damn she was an older mare and she didn't really produce anything before him and they finally bred her to a sire that's very potentate and look what they got! Just think out side the box i would own this mare because not many people would want her and breed her to something out of the ordinary and end up getting a spectacular animal. Be patient and know how to breed.

  • Scot's reply:  Love the enthusiasm!  Thanks for your comments.  I'm going to make one correction, though, because if I don't there'll be a bunch of comments!  While you're right that Secretariat's dam is sort of the textbook example of an older mare producing her best foal (she was 18 when Big Red came along), she was far from an average mare before then. Actually, she was sent to Bold Ruler purposefully because she was such a goldmine.  Previous foals included multiple stakes winner Sir Gaylord (later an influential sire); multiple stakes winner and Belmont Stakes third First Family; multiple stakes winner Syrian Sea (an older full sister to Secretariat); and three other stakes-place foals.  Somethingroyal also produce a stakes-placed colt at 19 and another--this one grade I-placed--at 20.
14 Oct 2010 5:11 PM
MaryW

Icecapade was the son of another great broodmare, Shenanigans (the dam of Ruffian, as well as Laughter who produced Private Terms)

  • Scot's reply: Amended.  Wasn't thinking as I typed! 

Somethingroyal produced the good sire Sir Gaylord early in her broodmare career.

15 Oct 2010 5:10 AM
Margo

Yes i failed to mention that sorry. But i still stand next to the Giants Causeway. Although Purim i went and searched and am very impressed with the way he looks and his pedigree is older type and not as commercial as the older stallions but still good.

15 Oct 2010 11:06 AM
Pedigree Shelly

       Scot , I know it's a little late but,thank you for bringing up this mare ! Still waiting on the  

Keeneland Nov sales catalogues :(

18 Oct 2010 9:29 PM
Pedigree Shelly

         I found an excellent stallion prospect for Given Terms , Jazil ! He comes from one of the best families in the Stud Book ! He is also a True Nicks A rated mate for Given Terms ! I also like the Mr. Prospector / Private Account cross that has produced excellent runners. I think with the reasonable stud fee for Jazil ,you cant go wrong .

18 Oct 2010 10:57 PM
Pedigree Shelly

         I found an excellent stallion prospect for Given Terms , Jazil ! He comes from one of the best families in the Stud Book ! He is also a True Nicks A rated mate for Given Terms ! I also like the Mr. Prospector / Private Account cross that has produced excellent runners. I think with the reasonable stud fee for Jazil ,you cant go wrong .

18 Oct 2010 11:06 PM

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