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Ok, so we have run the feature a little longer than we'd planned, but we figured that with Rachel Alexandra's outstanding win in the Haskell Invitational (gr. I) on the weekend, it was worth a little more time for readers to come up with some suggestions for us to consider before we start creating the shortlist for the mating analysis product.

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100 Comments:

We know that she is going to Curlin which to me is a right choice but with that said my next breeding choice for Rachel would be Street Cry, she's a Northern Dancer line mare so I like coverings with Raise a Native/Mr. Prospector stallions. I also think that breeding her with Zenyatta's sire would prove interesting and make a very promising foal.

Julie L. 03 Aug 2009 12:29 PM

A.P. Indy, while there's still time!

OregonStateBeavers 03 Aug 2009 2:47 PM

A.P. INDY for Rachel

Mary Ann W. 03 Aug 2009 4:00 PM

Rock Hard Ten!

Imagine what a magnificent animal would result from that cross. Combining the Medaglia D'Oro and Kris S. lines would bring together several much-needed and underutilized outcross lines as well, plus the Northern Dancer/Mr. Prospector nick comes into play and you get the Princequillo stayer influence to boot.

(Remember, Zenyatta is out of a Kris S. mare, and see how that turned out.)

Flora 03 Aug 2009 4:11 PM

A.P. Indy, Big Brown, Street Cry

Barbaro4ever 03 Aug 2009 5:52 PM

I think she should go to Afleet Alex or Rock Hard Ten.

OldFashinoedRunner 03 Aug 2009 6:08 PM

Curlin is a great match as well as A.P. Indy, Afleet Alex, and possibly Smarty Jones. (I'm forgetting his bloodlines at the moment.)

Amalex 03 Aug 2009 7:56 PM

I know Jess Jackson wants to breed this mare to Curlin, but I think she needs to go to a proven sire first. I think the best choice for her would be   Street Cry. A second sentimental choice would be A. P. Indy while he is still with us.

MK in FK 03 Aug 2009 8:46 PM

Well, she's "engaged" to Curlin and that is the perfect match.  They'll make beautiful and talented babies. After that, I think Big Brown, henrythenavigator and A.P. Indy.

Ida Lee 03 Aug 2009 8:51 PM

I would breed Rachel Alexandra to Any Given Saturday. He stands at Darley for $30,000 and True Nicks rate the cross A++. I’d believe it because the same cross has produced GI winner Bit Of Whimsy, as well as stakes winners Parade Clown and Cocktail Attire.

Nakayama 03 Aug 2009 8:53 PM

I agree with Julie.  IMO Street Cry is the top sire on the planet.

Ryan Zabrowski 03 Aug 2009 9:02 PM

I think they should breed her to

Smart Strike and if she produces a

filly call it Smart Rachel and if a colt,Smart Alexander.

John T. 03 Aug 2009 9:06 PM

HARD SPUN ! This is a young stallion with true grit. I cant wait to see his babies hit the track. This is Based on the Danzig/Sadlers Wells cross that produced Peeping Fawn. It's a "A" nick. Rachel and Curlin is also an "A" nick, but the Hard Spun cross gets a better dosage rating and a 3 way inbreeding to Northern Dancer. I really wish she was not going to Curlin. I dont care much for him, although I must admit his connections certainly knew how to place him in the right races.

mdfanofracing 03 Aug 2009 9:20 PM

Hmm....how about

Aragorn

Lewis Michael

Candy Ride

Swale1984 03 Aug 2009 10:32 PM

All the nice sires I liked are pensioned :(

However, I'd have to go with Empire Maker.

Anna 03 Aug 2009 10:43 PM

I agree that she should be mated with A.P. Indy

Golden Gate 04 Aug 2009 12:13 AM

My first choice would be Giant's Causeway.  A.P. Indy always deserves consideration.  Street Cry has been impressive and TizNow and Candy Ride would be interesting.

Jeanne 04 Aug 2009 12:19 AM

Aside from Curlin, I wouldn't mind seeing her bred to Curlin's sire, Smart Strike.  My third choice would be Giant's Causeway followed by Dynaformer.

Rechelle 04 Aug 2009 12:34 AM

She and Curlin will make a nice, solid cross.  But I'm a fan of Giant's Causeway offspring and think that would make a really interesting out-cross. They both have speed and long-lasting genes. And I really like the idea of a foal that has Rachel's graceful/athletic look while maintaining the power that Giant's Causeway passes on.

Alicia 04 Aug 2009 12:40 AM

Curlin.  resulting foal doubling of Mr P, N.D., Sir I, and Mr P is on top w/N.D. on bottom where they belong

stanley marcinkowski, Plowville, Pa 04 Aug 2009 7:45 AM

The Green Monkey. :-)

He has great bloodlines and her determination to win could balance out his whatever attitude.

Karen in Indiana 04 Aug 2009 8:46 AM

Dynaformer.

Treston 04 Aug 2009 8:55 AM

I recommend BIG BROWN!!! Woohoo!  AP Indy is way too expensive, and he's already what... Way too old at 25 years old.  I bet he cant stand on his own for one hour..hehe.. much less cover any mare at his age.

HENRY THE NAVIGATOR is my second choice.  Or SEA THE STARS (when he retires, anyway)

cowgirl Sally 04 Aug 2009 9:17 AM

Not going to be a popular choice, but I would have to cast my vote for BERNARDINI. It's not like you are need to breed Rachel for a purpose, like hoping to add some speed, or stamina... she has them both in epic proportions. I would try to find the most perfect conformation and size with a more "classic" race record. No inbreeding for four generations, with a bit of influence from the Fappiano line, it seems like a match made in heaven. Bernardini is not a proven sire yet, like Curlin... but is the class of the field.

dray33 04 Aug 2009 9:27 AM

Curlin!!!!

meleah 04 Aug 2009 10:05 AM

I think Smart Strike or Dynaformer would make good selections for Rachel although, Curlin and she could possibly produce a real beast.

10 Jed 04 Aug 2009 10:17 AM

I like:   CURLIN

DYNAFORMER BETTER GRAB HIM SOON AT 24 WHO KNOW .......STREET CRY   A.P.INDY PROBABLY 2ND.....SMARTY JONES......GIANTS CAUSEWAY....  

ANNA: EMPIRE MAKER IS EXCELLENT....

Ragsy 04 Aug 2009 10:47 AM

Curlin! I can't wait to see what comes from this cross. Two awesome horses with stamina, speed & good attitudes!

TDAHCS 04 Aug 2009 11:14 AM

Tiznow, now and then Afleet Alex. What about Distorted Humor?  

Marcia 04 Aug 2009 11:25 AM

Poor RA!!! - let's line up possible suitors and let her make her own choice!!!

Dynaformer!

Joanne 04 Aug 2009 11:32 AM

Mhm... I think Dynaformer or A.P. Indy. Would be great but, Dynaformer has a tendency to throw babies that are solid grass runners, a surface Rachel has not run on yet! A.P Indy would def. give her a lot more distance breeding for a mila & half baby!

Anything with Storm cat or Alydar would give it (baby) more "attitude"...

What about Devil his Due? Exchange Rate, Distorted Humor, Arch? All of them are proven stakes winning and stakes producing horses!

BUT...I would love to see her go to MIDNIGHT LUTE, class, size, speed...winning first time out at Del Mar...Can't get any better!!

thorobasset 04 Aug 2009 11:56 AM

I would mate her with Kingmambo.  It would double special in the mating.  I would then follow up with AP Indy before he is too old and in year three, I would go to Street Cry.

Jackman 04 Aug 2009 12:06 PM

Smarty Jones should be next on RAchel's dance card, just after Curlin.  Imagine the brilliance, speed, and charm!  Their baby would be spectacular!!!

Gunslinger 04 Aug 2009 1:17 PM

HARD SPUN!!!!  SMART STRIKE and the wonderful CURLIN!!

angie 04 Aug 2009 2:14 PM

TIZNOW!!!!

katie vic 04 Aug 2009 2:29 PM

It better be a stallion with some distance pedigree since this filly can only run 1 1/8 miles. Considering she had to pass on the true test of champions because her owner was afraid she would lose, perhaps some distance would enable her offspring to run beyond 1 1/8 miles.  She was all out to beat a second rate crop of 3 year olds in the Preakness so you know 1 1/2 miles is well beyond her capabilities and it will be interesting to see if she is capable of going 1 1/4 miles,  however she'll probably need about 9 months off after that to recover. Where's Ruffian,  where's a filly who can run 1 1/2 miles and show the world how good she is,  not how bad this years crop of colts are.

Whatever 04 Aug 2009 3:09 PM

Friesan Fire has an excellent pedigree.  He has a better  pedigree than all of the horses mentioned on this board.  I don't care for Curlin; overrated in my opinion.  

Mo 04 Aug 2009 3:12 PM

Smart Strike, Curlin's sire, would be a better match than Curlin. He is a proven sire.  Kingmambo or Elusive Quality would also be great choices. Elusive Quality throws quality (think Smarty Jones, Raven's Pass, Quality Road). I would try to stay away from the really large stallions since she is so tall herself, and lean to Mr. Prospector stallions rather than Northern Dancer. The choice of Bernardini would also be good.

Ceil 04 Aug 2009 3:24 PM

I think Rachel should go to Dynaformer and keep inbreeding the Prospector line.

Ofelia 04 Aug 2009 3:58 PM

How about German great Monsun?

Julialou 04 Aug 2009 4:18 PM

AP INDY,GIANT CAUSEWAY,CURLIN AND BIG BROWN

Angel 04 Aug 2009 4:29 PM

Birdstone, as he produced two triple crown winners in his first crop.

Brian 04 Aug 2009 4:30 PM

After Market

Tiznow

Gulch

da3hoss 04 Aug 2009 4:49 PM

Lion Heart or Henry the Navigator

MrsPacker 04 Aug 2009 5:25 PM

POINT GIVEN, Curlin, Afleet Alex

Laura 04 Aug 2009 5:55 PM

Dynaformer, AP Indy, Giant's Causeway and Street Cry would all be great choices.  I think Tapit would be a nice cross and how about Calvin chaperoning for Rachel and Street Sense.

ABZ 04 Aug 2009 6:03 PM

Birdstone or Roman Ruler

Alisha 04 Aug 2009 6:07 PM

I would look for a strong Stallion with no Mr Prospector or Northern Dancer.

Dynaformer, Holy Bull and Montbrook come to mind.

AnneM 04 Aug 2009 7:41 PM

giant's causeway, great on the track and off

toolman 04 Aug 2009 7:50 PM

Interesting Find:

Medaglia d'Oro, Rachel's sire did not even accomplish and "A" on True Nicks ratings.

Now we end up with a wonder horse produced on a cross that has been successful, but not frequent.

I would go against the "nicking" grain that seems to always require an "A++" to be successful, on paper.

My choice is Dynaformer, a proven Classic sire; who cares if the nick is a "B+"? With Madaglia and Rachel's success maybe the horse will forget to look at the "nick rating" and become a Legend.

Kent D. Hersman 04 Aug 2009 8:15 PM

Tiznow without a doubt...  With that Relaunch blood plus Northern Dancer both on top and bottom, a ''no'' brainer...

Mindy C. 04 Aug 2009 8:21 PM

Afleet Alex, A.P. Indy, Bernardini, Giant's Causeway, Street Cry, Any given saturday,and Hard Spun would all be good choices. I would not choose Big Brown with those feet he may pass on.

Kirsten 04 Aug 2009 8:40 PM

Without a doubt, I'd mate her with Deep Impact for the following reason: Rachel Alexandra's dam, Lotta Kim, is an RF (Rasmussen Factor) to Pocahontas, through that mare's two tremendous offspring, Chieftain and Tom Rolfe. Deep Impact's damsire, Alazo, is a son of Lady Rebecca, yet another daughter of Pocahontas. The mating to Deep Impact would create inbreeding THREE dazzling times to Pocahontas.

Lauren 04 Aug 2009 8:46 PM

Curlin or Smart Strike, Tiznow, Elusive Quality

Karen in Texas 04 Aug 2009 8:48 PM

Gone West.

Amanda C 04 Aug 2009 9:23 PM

AP INDY

DYNAFORMER

BIRDSTONE

Anna 04 Aug 2009 10:22 PM

I love Hard Spun!  Another interesting option might be Pulpit.  You get AP Indy and Mr. Prospector.  Just a thought.

Springsmom83 04 Aug 2009 11:14 PM

A.P. Indy, Bernardini

Lisa T. 04 Aug 2009 11:46 PM

Kingmambo would be my choice.This will increase the Ribot line in her pedigree thru Graustark in female side of Kingmambo and since she already has it thru File and Glowing Tribute this will probably increase stamina in her pedigree.

Gustavo Brito DVM 05 Aug 2009 12:45 AM

A few have mentioned Distorted Humor.  I'm kind of intrigued by that cross.  It carries a 2X4 inbreeding to Forty Niner, which is actually kind of rare.  It's also 4X5 to Northern Dancer, not only through Distorted Humor's BMS line over Rachel's sireline, but The Great One is also Roar's damsire.  That produces a gender balance in Northern Dancer inbreeding that I think is very desirable.

Interesting.

Paseana 05 Aug 2009 1:01 AM

Birdstone-more Sir Gaylord,Silent Screen,Dr Fager,ND and Mr P on top.

Elusive Quality-1 1/4 mile????

Distorted Humor-only Joe Montana has more Forty Niner in him.

Smart Strike-one to send to the arc

Ap Indy-he's Ap indy

Street Cry,Tiznow,Giant's Causeway

chad 05 Aug 2009 2:38 AM

Ok, I have a question, Is Rachel going to run next yr ? Because if she does, I doubt that breeding her to AP INDY will ever happen. Personally, I think there is way to much AP Indy out there already. He is sure to be pensioned soon. He is, after all, 25 years old. Same goes with Dynaformer. He is 24 and I would assume his days in the breeding shed are numbered. Thanks to Angie for backing me up on Hard Spun. Check his pedigree, Alydar, Roberto, Bramalea, Hail to Reason, Natalma, Raise a Native.  This is a young stallion who will leave a big mark on racing in the years to come. His first born was 140 + pounds. (remind anyone of another big stud out there aka Dynaformer). Who knows, there are a lot of good suggestions here, and some not so good ones. Afleet Alex? Your kidding right? So far he has produced one winner. Birdstone produced two triple crown winners? I missed that, but I think the poster meant two CLASSIC winners. Big Brown would not make the cut if I were Jess Jackson, and not just because of his foot issues. I also think Curlin is way overrated and his success came from very careful management. Empire Maker is a good choice, as is Rock Hard Ten, he is one spectacular looking stallion and stands 17 hands. More importantly, his babies are doing well on the racetrack. It would be nice to see Jess Jackson stay away from same old same old when it comes to this wonderful filly, but I think he is more interested in commercially successful stallions and she will prolly be bred along the same boring lines that we see every day.

  • Editor's note:  A few comments recently have indicated A.P. Indy's age as 24 or 25.  Born in 1989, A.P. Indy is actually 20 years old in 2009.
mdfanofracing 05 Aug 2009 8:44 AM

A.P. Indy

Smart Strike

Giant's Causeway

Hard Spun

Tiznow

(in no particular ranking order)

SouthFilly 05 Aug 2009 8:52 AM

Breed the best to the best....Ghostzapper!  He and Rachel are the two best horses of the past 25-30 yrs....enough said.

Looseonthelead 05 Aug 2009 9:54 AM

My picks for Rachel when she's done racing would be: Elusive Quality, Rock Hard Ten, Dynaformer if he is still covering in 2013. Curlin will be a great dad too!!!

Jeana 05 Aug 2009 10:21 AM

Giant's Causeway...no question....look at the stamina and mixed surface pedigree that would create.

Northern Dancer, Secretariat, Blushing Groom, Roberto, Bailjumper, Forty Niner, Cure the Blues, Roar, Rahy, .... dang.

Nickie 05 Aug 2009 11:16 AM

Ok definitely A.P. Indy. By the way, to all of those of you saying he is 25 years old. A.P. Indy is 20-years old. He was born in 1989 and won the Belmont Stakes in 1992. Do The math. Also I like Bernardini, Pulpit, Smarty Jones, Big Brown, Point Given, Hard Spun and how about Street Sense??

WannaATripleCrownWinner 05 Aug 2009 11:20 AM

I like the suggestion of Giant's Causeway.  I'm not fond of Curlin.  He never impressed me.  I think it would be good if they would go with a stallion line that is dying a bit.  Maybe a chance to rejuventate it.  

Anna 05 Aug 2009 12:24 PM

Curlin is a Mr. Prospector-line over Northern Dancer line, as is Rachel, so it would make an interesting cross. But he is unproven, so aside from the wow factor of this foal, I would go to a proven commodity first, and that would be Giant's Causeway, A.P.Indy, or Street Cry. By the way, A.P. Indy is 20-years-old, not 25.

I also like the idea of Bernardini. Though he is unproven, I like his inbreeding to Dr. Fager. Rachel's second dam is by Cure the Blues, who was out of a Dr. Fager mare. The inbreeding would 6x5x6 to Dr. Fager. Remote, but interesting, and a mating to him or A. P. Indy would also bring in Buckpasser, who is absent in Rachel's pedigree.  

Janesville Liz 05 Aug 2009 12:55 PM

My top 3 choices for RA would be:

AP Indy, Smart Strike, and Street Cry. I think that the Northern Dancer line blends well with these stallions. These 3 are well established stallions that have proven they can sire champions. They also have sired a wide range of talented runners (long or short, grass, synthetic, etc.) Additionally, they come from very solid classy females lines. AP Indy and Smart Strike are both respectable broodmare sires.  

Although RA may not reproduce herself in the breeding shed (as many champion mares have been unable to do) she will be given the opportunity to by visiting these studs.  I would be very hesitant to send RA to Curlin as he is an unproven stallion. But he seems to have solid breeding credentials(DM broodmare sire, Mr P line sire) and could have a very successful stallion career in the future.  Above all, RA deserves the best mating choices, and Curlin is too much of a risk.  Maybe in the next 3+ years should he prove worthy to be her "date".

Jenny C 05 Aug 2009 1:06 PM

Lets get a little International:

DANEHILL DANCER(IRE)

KAHAL(SA)

REDOUTES CHOICE(AUS)

DAVIJ615 05 Aug 2009 2:17 PM

Everyone will think I am nuts but how about Defer or Dehere. these have great looking foals. and man can they run.

kathy 05 Aug 2009 2:39 PM

Lemon Drop kid

Elusive Quality

mikem 05 Aug 2009 3:40 PM

Afleet Alex has had three (3) winners!

Marcia 05 Aug 2009 3:54 PM

My first choice is A.P. Indy, and he is not 24 or 25 years old. I think about 20.  Then I like the idea of some international flavor too- Danhill Dancer or Redoubte's Choice. I'd prefer Curlin to prove himself as a stallion before breeding him to Rachel, but I'm sure Mr. Jackson will not wait.

I do not like Big Brown. Rachel does not need foot problems introduced into her foals.

Jewel 05 Aug 2009 3:56 PM

My one and only pick is ...

Distorted Humor.

This mating has a True Nicks Rating of A++ and a variant of 148.76.

Let's get serious - do some analysis and use the system.

Cheers.

David Cowl 05 Aug 2009 8:14 PM

I will have to say Elusive Quality. Think, Smarty Jones, Ravens Pass, Quality Road! Quality Road just defeated a track record, right after a recovery. C:

I have to so no with Dynaformer; he can throw some all-turf babies and she hasn't ran on turf.

Also, it would be good to breed her with a distance stallion.

Jacque 06 Aug 2009 12:53 AM

Langfur look what he has done already.

tweetypie 06 Aug 2009 12:17 PM

I agree that it all depends on if Rachel is going to race at four.  If NOT then I say:

AP Indy

Dynaformer

Smart Strike

If SO then you probably have to remove AP Indy and Dynaformer because of their ages, move Smart Strike up and add Rock Hard Ten and maybe Smarty Jones.  I agree with the earlier post about the "personality" that a RA/SJ offspring would possess!

CarolinaJude 06 Aug 2009 12:26 PM

I would like to see her with Elusive Quality or son Smarty Jones. I think together, they  would have some outstanding babies !

Dcat 06 Aug 2009 12:37 PM

When it comes to "unproven" stallions I would like to mate RA with Plesantly Perfect. The son of Pleasant Colony and grandson of Affirmed defeated her father in the two richest races (BC Classic and Dubai World Cup) at 2000 m. He would provide some stamina to the astonishing speed of Rachel. On the easiest choice of proven stallions, I would go for A P Indy, Street Cry, Distorted Humor, Tiznow or Giant's Causeaway...

Native Dancer 06 Aug 2009 2:41 PM

Kingmabo

Smart Strike

Street Cry

Rock Hard Ten

Lmaris 06 Aug 2009 3:01 PM

Yes, Birdstone HAS produced two Triple Crown winners-Mine That Bird in the Kentucky Derby and Summer in the Belmont.

My choice for Rachel would be Birdstone, then Smarty Jones.

Peggy_03037 06 Aug 2009 4:27 PM

I would pick Rock HARD Ten or SMART Strike or Big Brown                  

Backside Sweetie 06 Aug 2009 6:41 PM

Stephen Got Even. Just look at I Want Revenge if you have any questions! Stephen’s produced a fabulously precocious 2 year-old in Stevie Wonderboy and one of the most outstanding 3 year-old colts to come along in awhile: I Want Revenge. Stephen's just getting warmed-up. A.P. Indy is his sire plus he brings to the table the legendary Blushing Groom line thru his dam, Immerse. Although Rahy would have been the more obvious choice when thinking about Blushing Groom, he’s been recently pensioned. Please take a peek at Immerse’s sire Cox’s Ridge – his racing record and his black-tie family. We’re talking about Best Turn (out of a Swaps mare and sire of Davona Dale), Turn-To and Royal Charger. Give Stephen and Rachel a date with destiny.

Girlyrox 06 Aug 2009 11:13 PM

I would have to say that I would send her to Distorted Humor and Giants Causway.  Then I would send her to Galileo or Sea the Stars when he retires.  Hard Spun is also a good choice as well as Elusive Quality though I’d go with Raven’s Pass over Elusive Quality because he is a new upcoming sire who will have only a few crops out by the time she would be ready for him.   Why not have some fun and breed her to a steeplechaser, more stamina and maybe a tougher boned and minded foal.

sremel9 07 Aug 2009 1:48 AM

STEPHEN GOT EVEN WOULD BE A GREAT COMBO

MARILYN 07 Aug 2009 12:36 PM

My bad, I was thinking of recently pensioned Storm Cat who is, I think 25 or so.

mdfanofracing 08 Aug 2009 6:42 AM

Peggy,

Winning the Triple Crown, means winning the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Stakes and the Belmont Stakes. ALL THREE OF THEM. Not just one of them. MIne that Bird won one, and Summer Bird won one. They would be considered CLASSIC or triple crown event winners, not triple crown winners like Secretariat.

mdfanofracing 08 Aug 2009 6:46 AM

NO ONE MENTIONED UNBRIDLED SONG

steve s 13 Aug 2009 1:19 PM

Bernardini

A.P. Indy

Street Cry

Unbridled's Song

DOBLESE 14 Aug 2009 11:14 PM

Dalakhani

For the one that loved Pocahontas, Sulamani (though is an unproven sire yet)

Monsun

Kingmambo

Unusual Heat

Alfonso 18 Aug 2009 7:08 PM

OK, this is too late but its for fun anyway?

Not that this would ever happen...

I do not like Curlin for RA.  No matter the idea of champion to champion, every description I read of RA says she's a big filly and that Curlin is a bull of a horse.  NO, NO, NO!  Let's not put bulk on top of already big horses.

Birdstone-

I get no rating for this but Birdstone would have to add some distance to RA's pedigree. (I'm one of the one's that think she's a wee bit distance limited)

What is very interesting about the cross is that you get Silent Screen top and bottom (Champion two-year old of 1969) and also the mare Caps and Bells who seems to have been no slouch as a broodmare.  Maybe this wouldn't be the best racing pedigree but I think the best chance for producing a sire.

To reverse myself on distance needs, I like Hat Trick although that shouldn't get you much but maybe a brilliant sprinter. Rates a D.  However, Hat Trick does bring in, if you look enough, a fair amount of the Man O' War/Fair Play lines that are in RA's pedigree. RA's dam line includes the interesting mare Ellen's best, by War Relic, out of a dam line back to full sister of War Relic, Speed Boat. Tricky Code, dam of Hat Trick, brings in the same lines through Speed Boat and Anchor's Away, full sisters to War Relic.  Hat Trick also has the less seen MOW, Free France and Peace Chance who goes back to Fair Play.  More in his background (Flaming Swords, Stymie had MOW top and bottom, Battlefield, Mad Hatter ((Fair Play)), Friar Rock ((Rock Sand over Fair Gold, dam of Fair Play))) but the only thing I don't like is that those genes don't seem to produce stayers any more.  At least, not this far away.

On the theme of crossing RA on Man O' War/Fair Play/Matchem line stallions, Request for Parole (Now in Argentina) does it a bit; Bright Launch, which gets an A++ rating, carries the line in spades through Relaunch with War Admiral in his dam line (War Tide) plus another dose in the dam line of Fair Play through Etoile Filante; Mystic Replica, not a known stallion for racing but for sport, is sire line MOW through Relic this time with a dam line that includes Hard Tack on the top and dam line to Day Play by Mere Play by Fair Play.

Valid Expectations is another MOW line stallion that rates A++ on true nicks.

My heart says pick up as much of that MOW/Fair Play in the background as you can with the idea of producing a Matchem-line stallion. (OK, Hat Trick would not do that, sire-line wise)

Realistically, I think Birdstone is the most interesting cross with potential not just as a race horse, but to produce a very good sire or dam.

HorseFirst 21 Sep 2009 3:51 PM

I couldn't find this guy when I first wrote.  Heck, I don't even know if he's still alive and further, he's in Great Britain.

But my choice for RA would be:

Olympic Times

www.yorkshirefirst.co.uk/.../horses.html

MOW on top through Relic this time, although still the War Relic line and a mare line that goes to MOW;s brother with a lot more MOW/Fair Play thrown in.

This would be my pick for bringing back a Matchem line stallion.

But hey, this guy, although he raced, is more known for sport horses now.  Then again, the MOW/Fair Play line produced it's share of outstanding sport horses too.

This is to concentrate and bring back the Matchem line and has little to do with racing reality, I know!

HorseFirst 28 Sep 2009 7:34 PM

A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?

TrueNicks 30 Sep 2009 4:46 PM

"A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?"

Do you mean, which of these five?

Being realistic, as I've stated before, I prefer Birdstone. You really can't ignore the cross, both top and bottom, of Silent Screen and Caps and Bells.

Of these five, no to Curlin and although I like Dynaformer, he's a huge horse and don't need bigger.

I'd pick A.P. Indy, if it's just a choice between the five.

HorseFirst 30 Sep 2009 6:29 PM

A proven stallion like A. P. Indy, Dynaformer, or Giant's Causeway? Or a young gun like Curlin or Bernardini? Who would you choose for Rachel Alexandra?

TrueNicks 01 Oct 2009 9:03 AM

i know of one stallion that noone has even thought of that is Harlan's Holiday which he is a top sire because 1 in every 10 starters he has is a stakes winner and 1 in every 5 runners is stakes placed including the recent Three Day Rush who got blinkers and won the NATC Furity stakes at monmouth park a few days ago. plus his runners race and win on dirt, turf and polytracks despite the fact that he was a strict dirt horse and Harlan's holiday is the only sire in North America that has a 2yr old filly who has beaten the boys already in the hollywood Prevue stakes

anna winnett 01 Oct 2009 2:16 PM

I like Any Given Saturday for Rachel. They get an excellent True Nicks rating. Although I am not sure she has distance limitations as some have speculated, his pedigree has plenty of winners at 10 furlongs and more.  Even though he did not win past 9 furlongs, there were possible reasons for his losses in those attempts.  I also really like the double crosses of Native Dancer and Northern Dancer! Even though some would disagree, I have seen a HUGE number of stakes winners with that breeding! Go Native Dancer!

Racingfan 05 Oct 2009 10:21 PM

Curlin

Giants Causeway

AP Indy

Dynaformer

King Mambo  

Really any horse, in any order...

Ragsy 10 Oct 2009 12:09 PM

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