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Combining Like Breds

Combining genetic relatives in pedigrees has been for some time a pathway to upgrading pedigrees for stakes success. Many moons ago noted pedigree authority Ken McLean suggested in his book Quest for a Classic Winner that the like bred Nijinsky II, his three quarter brother The Minstrel and Storm Bird, a son of Northern Dancer whose dam is bred on similar lines to the dam of Nijinsky, could be used to upgrade for racetrack success. It has taken some time for this prediction to come to fruition, but more and more in stakes results now we are indeed seeing this combination.

In a similar vein, we feel that there is going to be increasing stakes success where the like bred quartet Miswaki, Seeking the Gold, Mining and Woodman are used in pedigrees. All four of these stallions are sons of Mr. Prospector out of Buckpasser mares. However, just as Nijinsky II seems to combine better with Storm Bird than The Minstrel does with the latter, we feel that more specifically Woodman and Miswaki will be found in more and more stakes winners around the world. The reason? Not only are Woodman and Miswaki by Mr Prospector out of Buckpasser mares but their granddams are out of mares by Nasrullah, creating a further genetic link. That is not to say that we don't see combinations of any of these four like bred horses being used to stakes success we do (we actually feel that Mining and Wavering Monarch may also prove fruitful), but we just feel that the combination of Miswaki and Woodman might prove best.

As far as we can see the Miswaki/Woodman combination first had stakes success with the Californian runner Willow O Wisp, a son of Miswaki's son Misnomer, out of a mare by Woodman. Leading European sire Galileo, who is out of a Miswaki mare, has also had success with a mare carrying Woodman in her pedigree and we note on the weekend the winner of the Perak Derby (gr. I-Mal) in Malaysia was by the Vinery Australia bred Good Nature, a son of Woodman's well bred son Way of Light. Good Nature carries Miswaki as the sire of his second dam.

As we stated earlier, just with Nijinsky II and Storm Bird, it may take some time for pedigrees to evolve where the combination of the like bred quartet of Miswaki, Seeking the Gold, Mining and Woodman can come to the fore, but we have no doubt that it will.

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5 Comments:

Why on Earth would you possible double/triple/quadruple the Raise a Native cross for any reason other than greed? Yup, they're fast and Yup, they are FRAGILE...

Claudia 28 Aug 2009 4:38 PM

In the wake of Eight Belles' tragic demise the spurious and opportune suggestion that Raise a Native, in isolation or duplication, is a source of unsoundness is, as far as I am aware, unsubstantiated and without any empirical evidence. It may make you feel better to say it, but it is inaccurate.

brogers 31 Aug 2009 11:38 PM

Claudia and brogers:

There is ZERO statistical evidence to support your assertions that horses related to Raise a Native have a higher probability of injury.  Raise a Native is responsible for the fastest horses on the planet.  When you run faster you have higher risk of injury.  Inbreeding to Raise a Native creates more G1, G2, and G3 runners than ANY OTHER INBREEDING (my guess is 10 to 1).  The reality is that long run profitability in this sport is really only achieved when you successfully either train your own horses or own horses that can place in graded races.

I am so sick and tired of fans looking at a few pedigrees of injured horses and making statements based on very small sample sizes.  

Regarding Eight Belles:  I loved her when I saw her in the G2 Fantasy Stakes at Oaklawn Park.  She was so beautiful, tall, long, intelligent looking, and very professional.  Since there is ZERO evidence that inbreeding to Raise a Native results in a higher probability of injury, then let’s briefly look at two other factors:   Wild Risk and the Churchill Downs track.

Wild Risk:  I have noticed from a very large sample size that horses related to Wild Risk seem to have a tendency to have soundness issues.  Wild Risk also had a club foot—how’s that for a smoking gun?        

Churchill Downs Track:  I was there when Eight Belles broke down.  I am lucky enough to receive 50 phone calls from friends on Derby day.  I told EVERY single person that the track looked like a concrete highway.  Horses were barely making an imprint on the surface during the post parades.  IMO, the track is the main reason why Eight Belles tragically broke down from BROKEN BONES.  Raise a Native was retired due to a bowed tendon.  

Question:  What sire is the number one rated sire for durability or average starts per offspring?  That’s right = a Raise a Native sire line descendent by the name of Demidoff.

Ryan 01 Sep 2009 11:17 AM

Ryan,

I think that my statement was in agreement with yours. There is no evidence to suggest that Raise a Native specifically is a source of unsoundness in the breed.

Byron Rogers 02 Sep 2009 11:41 PM

I apologize brogers...as I misread your comments.  

Ryan 03 Sep 2009 11:32 PM

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