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Kicken Kris - Secretariat,Arlington Million

As for the mare - Spectre

Sires: St. Germans and Buchan (via her granddaughter Hamoaze) and Petition

I now read the rest of the question. Answer: Kickin Kris-won the Arlington Million (on dq), and the Secretariat Stakes. He taces tail-female to Sceptre...Good-looking very well mannered guy. Saw him in quaranteen barn in MD. a few years ago prior to his departure to Japan for stud duty (as I recall).

Way before my time...........

Mare: Ellen Horne

Racer: Powerscourt: Tattersalls Gold Cup, Arlington Million

Champion Sires: Bend Or, Speak John, Stage Door Johnny, El Prado, Dunce, Drone

Do you have any photos of Sanda or Sierra or Sainfoin, if so, please email them to me

Joy was the mare

Don't have a clue but the era looks like Busanda as a wild guess.

This is tough!

The winner of the two stakes races is Kicken Kris and he won the 2003 Secretariat Stakes and the 2004 Arlington Million by way of DQ. I have no clue who the mare might be but seeing as how Mr. Prospector is Kicken Kris' great grandsire on the bottom I am assuming this mare is in Native Dancer's tree. If that is the case then three champion sires would be Native Dancer, Raise a Native and Mr. Prospector. Unbridled and Smart Strike would also be in that champion sire list as well. Just for kicks I'm going to shoot in the dark and say that this mare is St. Marguerite even though I believe she was a homebred out of Devotion and was never sold at auction. She is the classiest mare I can find from the time period that I think this picture was painted.

Ornament!!!

Andrea,

You're very close...1 generation away.

First of all, how can a horse  trace in tail-female to a sire, champion or not? No males in a female line. Please be a bit clearer on this.

Okay, this mare is being ridden with long stirrups; that and the style of the painting which puts her before WWII, possibly before WWI. So that puts her ancestress a longer way back. The only grade 1 races being run this weekend with that kind of deep history are the  Alabama and the Iselin (formerly the G1 Monmouth H). But I find no mare that won both, via disqualification or not. So I am puzzled. Am I being too pedantic?

I might add that I am out of town this weekend and away from my library, which makes it much more difficult to research.

Ah! When you wrote 'traces .. to' you meant the opposite - the horses mentioned trace to HER. Clarity in restored.

Now it is clear. Kicken Kris, who won the Secretariat at 3 and the Arlington Million at 4 (on dq of Powerscourt) is the SW intended. He traces back to the immortal Sceptre, of whom I expect your painting is of. Sceptre is ancestress in tail-female of St. Germans (led US sire list), Buchan (led GB sire list) and Tissot (3 times led Italian sire list), among others.

I'm not so sure that Ian was incorrect in his usage here of the word "trace". This word derives from the word "tracing" (ex.-footprint, ex.-animal's footprint). An animal's footprint can either be "traced" backwards or forwards. We have heard the phrases-"traced backward", "traced forward". The context of Ian's puzzle should have one infer a "traced forward" since, for one, a male cannot be the result of a tracing backward in tail-female, while it can in a tracing forward. The photo, combined with the grade-I context also would seem to remove any confusion relative to the direction of "trace". So, I think the context here wins the day. On the other hand, one would normally state that ex.-Buckpasser traces in tail-female to *La Troienne. Whereas the reverse, *La Troienne traces in tail-female to Buckpasser, is a phrase I have never witnessed.

I'm not quite finished but, I have a feeling the mare pictured might be Pocohontas ?

Race record...Ah.

Sceptre?

Andrea,

Yep, you got it! Well done.

I retract my guess of Mother Goose as the Mystery Mare. I located a photo of MG, and this is not her. Also, Mother Goose raced for her breeder - so she wasn't sold as a yearling.  

It's also not Natalma, Almahmoud, or Arbitrator.  Eliminating the chestnuts in the family, could the mystery mare be Flying Witch or Splendour or Duty?

My final answer - incomplete as it is - for this three part question, and for the bonus question:

mystery mare: ?

grade 1 winner: Flawlessly

grade 1 races: Beverly D(by DQ), Del Mar Oaks

champion sires: Northern Dancer, Halo, Danehill

Ian , Unfortunately , I came up with the wrong mare but, on the positive side I've learned alot through research trying to find the answer !

All I can say is that challanges like these are like working the New York Times cross word puzzels..but so much more engaging because I love the sport. But, I am amiss at being able to work the NYT crossword puzzel either...

 Hi Ann,

    Congrats on your Award ! This will be the last blog I will post on this " name game " ! First of all , I became interested in pedigrees at the age of Eleven ,My Uncle , Stephen R Mick a trainer at Philadelphia Park is responsible for getting our family into horseracing ! My Grandfather and Father have been owners and I aquired my first broodmare last year ! I have been called Pedigree Shelly by my friends at the track and by my family! I have stacks of BH magazines that I have enjoyed reading and memorizing pedigrees !I have talked to Mr. Andy Williams at Darley about Stallion seasons and other farms as well . Pedigree Shelly and Pedigree Ann are two different names , just like Sir Gallahad III and Sir Gaylord ! These are " screen names " Not TITLES ! Like Queen Elizabeth or the Sir Aga Khan ! I come to this site to relax, enjoy sharing information and having my brain picked by Ian :) This is a professional site not for nitpicking ! Now let's get back to buisness !! Thank You  !

From now on, I'm officially granting everyone on this blog permission to use the coveted prefix "Pedigree".

Also, Pedigree Shelly, glad you found the tbheritage site. Did you notice that I had linked to Sceptre's tbheritage page in the post above?

-Pedigree ITapp

Shelley, sounds like we both got our names fair and square - by boring other people with stuff about pedigrees. I belong to a board for hard-core pedigree geeks  - talking Hamptonian analysis, deep (8 generation) inbreeding, Diomed male lines meet female lines, etc. theorists. And another board where the Galtonists hold sway. Interested?

Pedigree Shelly-

I'd suggest you begin to accumulate the set entitled "American Race Horses". This salmon colored hardback annual ran from the years 1936-1963. Another smaller series entitled "Famous Horses Of The American Turf" ran from 1930 to at least 1933. There's also the series, "Famous Horses Of The British Turf"-which ran in the 20's and 30's with other iterations thereafter. From these volumes you may begin to appreciate pedigrees inductively (as you learn some racing history). For a deductive approach, I'd suggest you become a student of genetics (with, perhaps first, a primer in cytology). "Abe's Books" is a good source for many of the books mentioned.

Here are a few sites that may be of interest:

www.pedigreequery.com  

This site also has a number of interesting boards.

www.tbheritage.com

www.bloodlines.net

Sceptre and Ann-

Thank You so much for the info ! Greatly appreciated !

Shelly