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Interpreting a Nick Rating

Recently, one of our readers submitted an excellent question about interpreting the TrueNicks Enhanced report. Byron Rogers and Alan Porter, the co-developers of TrueNicks and partners in Pedigree Consultants, offer their responses below.

Todd asks: I have a question about interpreting some of the different sets of statistics available in the Enhanced TrueNicks. As an example, I nicked Scat Daddy (TrueNicks,SRO) with two of my mares. The first mare is an A nick with 3.08 variant (click for example report) based on 7% stakes winners for the rated cross as opposed to 2% and 5% stakes winners for the sire line with other broodmare sire lines and the broodmare sire line with other sire lines respectively. The percentage of starters from foals is 69% compared to 56%/63% and the percentage of winners from foals is 66% compared to 34%/46%. All encouraging numbers.

The nick with the second mare was, on the surface, even better—an A++, with a whopping 34.67 variant (click for example report), based on 12% stakes winners compared to 3%/4%. However, the other numbers suggest a less than average chance of success for this cross, with only 46% starters compared to 62%/74% and 31% winners, compared to 37% and 50%. For a breeder with rather modest means and modest stock, raising a durable racehorse with a better than average chance of earning his keep might be a more realistic goal than raising a stakes winner. For such a breeder, would it not be wiser to pay more attention to the comparative figures of starters and winners than to the figures for stakes winners on which the cross is rated? Any thoughts about interpreting the interaction of these different sets of statistics?

Rating Variant SW SW Sire/BMSire Starters Starters Sire/BMSire Winners Winners Sire/BMSire
Report 1
A
3.08
7%
2/5%
69%
56/63%
66%
34/46%
Report 2
A++
34.67
12%
3/4%
46%
62/74%
31%
37/50%

Byron: Todd, thanks for taking the time to post what is a very good set of questions. As we have stated a number of times on this blog, intelligent interpretation of nick ratings is what is required, and with the Enhanced report, a whole new skill set of interpretation is required!

Regarding your comments specifically, in our experience, don't spend an awful lot of time looking at variants and comparing them against one another. It is an excercise in futility. The best thing to do is, as you have here, spend a little more time understanding the numbers behind the creation of the variant which is more important and can only be found in the Enhanced report. Let's take a look at that first mating of Scat Daddy with your mare that resulted in an A nick. In this example, there are 7% SW to foals for the cross, as opposed to 2% SW for the sire line with other broodmare sire lines, and 5% SW to foals for the broodmare sireline with other sires. These numbers alone are significant. What they tell us is that while the cross is a good one, it is more that the broodmare sireline (5% SW with other stallions) is a good one that is effectively "lifting" Scat Daddy's sire line.

How important is this? Well, again, it is a matter of observation and experience, and it is our experience that you are best off having a mating where there is not a big difference between the alternates, that is instead of the "others" being 2% and 5% as they are in this case, it is better if they are 3% and 3%, and you have a high nick rating. What that effectively tells us in that case is that the cross itself is the one that is outperforming the norm rather than one or the other underperforming by so much that the nick has to rate well. The 3% figure is also important as that is the average for the breed (3.4% SW to foals to be exact).

Moving on to some of the other parameters you raised, there can be no doubt that there are going to be matings that, on paper at least, seem to be more "sound" than others. This is again one of the great features of the new Enhanced report. You raise the issue of where one mating provides a starters to foals of 69% where the alternate mating only has 46% starters to foals. There needs to be one caveat here: while TrueNicks has some algorithims in place to make sure that young sires with their first runners are not adversely affected by this, foals become "foals of racing age" when they first turn two. Thus, when January 1 came around, a whole racing crop in the Northern Hemisphere, including the U.S., Europe, etc., became "foals of racing age," which may create a skew in the data set. This is why even though TrueNicks looks at all the foals bred on a cross when deciding if a nick rating can be calculated, the calculation itself is made on starters. Possibly it may be worthwhile you having a look at the winners to starters ratios of these matings (as opposed to winners to foals) also to see if there is any true soundess issues manifesting themselves.

Alan: Hi Todd, my first thought would be that higher nick ratings (generally B+ or above) will tend to produce better runners than lower ratings, all other things being equal. Even if working with less expensive stock, it is still likely to be the aim to produce the best runner possible. After all, it doesn't help to produce sound but slow stock. Within the context of trying to produce the best possible runner, other factors do come into play, and soundness would be one of these.

Care has to be taken when interpreting the statistics, however, as popular crosses will tend to be represented by a large number of young horses. Many of these will have yet to have started (as Byron mentioned, foals of 2009 are now foals of racing age, but none will have started). Since the variable here is the stallion, if soundness is a primary concern, it would probably be better to consider his record as a runner and—if he has had sufficient crops—as a sire.

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Byron and Alan: Thanks so much for your lengthy and very helpful responses.  If I may, I'd like to pursue a further question about the use of these newly available statistics and comparisons.  In addition to possibly indicating soundness, might one also use them to indicate the consistency of a given genetic combination?  We all know of certain crosses that have the potential to produce a few top horses, but also many "duds." Avalyn Hunter's comment on the AP Indy/Quiet American cross in last week's Bloodhorse "pedigree profile" is an example.  She writes: "The A.P.Indy/Quiet American cross that produced Dance Quietly and Bernardini has been inconsistent but very successful when it has clicked; of the five winners from 15 foals so bred, four have been stakes winners and the fifth (Dance Quietly’s full brother American Dance) is grade II-placed."  This nick describes exactly the situation I was asking about in my previous blog, since here the percentage of stakes winners far exceeds the comparative figures, but the starters and winners to foals ratios seem to be below average.

Todd Lieber 16 Jan 2011 12:04 PM

Todd,

I can't quite come to agreement with Avalyn's summation that the nick has been "inconsistent". In the case of AP Indy with Quiet American mares, the issue that Alan and I raised above is at play. Of the 15 horses bred on the cross, 5 of these are 2009 foals who have just turned two so we can hardly expect them to show us anything just yet as two year old racing has yet to commence. A further 6 of these are current three year olds and include two stakes winners already in Astrology and Dance Quietly and with their classic year to come this year. So 11 of the 15 horses bred on the cross are yet to pass their classic year, let alone mature as older horses. I would be surprised if there was not at least another two or three stakes winners to come in that group of 11 foals.

The cross of course remains a very, very good one and it is clearly going to be tried a lot more as AP Indy closes out his career so we are going to see a lot more representatives in years to come. Will the cross maintain the current 27% clip of SW to foals? Probably not. But for Quiet American mares there will be few better options than AP Indy and as AP Indy proved quite potent with Fappiano mares, we suspect that a son of AP Indy will emerge that will suit Quiet American mares and sustain this nick into another generation.

Byron

Byron Rogers 16 Jan 2011 6:38 PM

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