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Derby Threat: Dialed In

by Ian Tapp

Dialed In’s story begins in late April, 20 years ago, when a gelding named Dinard was the 1991 Kentucky Derby favorite. The son of Strawberry Road had just worn down Best Pal to win the Santa Anita Derby (gr. I) for owner-breeder Allen Paulson. With the defections of Wood Memorial (gr. I) winner Cahill Road (Unbridled’s full brother) and sweetheart filly Meadow Star, Dinard inherited the role of Derby favoritism.

But it was not to be. Dinard aggravated a suspensory ligament in a workout, forcing him to the sidelines. Instead, the Nick Zito-trained Strike the Gold claimed that year’s Derby (video) over Best Pal, the same rival Dinard had bested four weeks earlier.

Paulson still owned Dinard’s dam, Daring Bidder, a Bold Bidder mare that he had bought as a yearling for $125K. She didn’t race, but her first five foals were stakes horses. The youngest of that quintet was the Mt. Livermore filly Eliza.

Eliza won three graded events at two, including the 1992 Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies (gr. I, video), and was named champion two-year-old filly. At three, she won the Santa Anita Oaks (gr. I), ran third to males in the Santa Anita Derby (gr. I), and was second in the Kentucky Oaks (gr. I, video) after failing to stay in the final furlong.

As a broodmare, Eliza has produced three stakes horses. Her current three-year-old is Irish group-placed stakes winner Samuel Morse. By Danehill Dancer, Samuel Morse has early classic entries in the Irish 2,000 Guineas and Epsom Derby (both gr. I) for owner Michael Tabor and trainer Aidan O’Brien.

Eliza’s grade II-placed Storm Cat daughter Miss Doolittle has produced expensive yearlings nearly every season. Miss Doolittle’s first foal, the $600K Seeking the Gold filly Broadway Gold, won the 5 ½-furlong Astoria Stakes at Belmont Park.

At last year’s Keeneland November sale, Miss Doolittle was offered in foal to Horse of the Year Curlin (TrueNicks,SRO), and she sold for $85K. This proved to be good value just four days later, when her previously unraced Mineshaft (TrueNicks,SRO) colt Dialed In became all the buzz after a visually impressive maiden win at Churchill Downs that you have to see to believe (video).

Reappearing in the one-mile Holy Bull (gr. III, video below) for trainer Nick Zito, Dialed In delivered another impressive out-of-the-clouds performance, further elevating his Kentucky Derby status.

A $475K yearling buy for Robert LaPenta's Whitehorse Stable, Dialed In is by all accounts a magnificent looking colt. On pedigree, however, one must question how much farther beyond one mile he wants to go.

The cross of A.P. Indy (TrueNicks,SRO) and sons with Storm Cat mares has been tried often. Two of classiest sires of the modern era, Storm Cat’s precociousness would seem a perfect complement to A.P. Indy’s stamina. Rated B on TrueNicks, there are 14 stakes winners from 159 starters on the cross, a strike rate nearly twice average (see the TrueNicks Enhanced report below).

As both A.P. Indy and Storm Cat are out of mares by Secretariat, the cross creates an automatic duplication of the great Triple Crown winner.

Early-developing Sky Mesa (TrueNicks,SRO) is the most accomplished runner on the cross. The son of Pulpit (TrueNicks,SRO) won the Hopeful (gr. I) and Breeders’ Futurity (gr. II) at two. Bred similarly are 2010 grade I-winning fillies Wickedly Perfect and Turbulent Descent. Both are by Congrats (TrueNicks,SRO) (an A.P. Indy/Mr. Prospector cross like Mineshaft and Pulpit) and out of a mares by sons of Storm Cat. On the whole, the cross is shifted toward early performance up to slightly beyond one mile.

Dialed In’s family offers little encouragement that he can buck this pedigree trend and stay the Derby distance. His sprinting dam has produced three pure sprinters by Seeking the Gold, Came Home, and Elusive Quality (TrueNicks,SRO), and a stakes-placed turfer by Kingmambo at 8 ½ furlongs. Second dam Eliza was a champion, but she was stretched to her limit at 8 ½ furlongs.

Mineshaft may hold the key to Dialed In’s range. The sire’s versatility was illustrated last season by Risen Star (gr. II) winner Discreetly Mine (TrueNicks,SRO), who later developed into a grade I sprinter, and by Fly Down, who placed in three premier grade I events at 10 furlongs or beyond—namely, the Belmont, Travers, and Breeders’ Cup Classic.

If running style is a guide, then Dialed In takes after stretch-running Fly Down, also trained by Zito. The style could make him more likely to get the distance, but it will put him at the mercy of pace and traffic.

Click here to view the TrueNicks Enhanced report for Dialed In.

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52 Comments:

i am a true believer in a p indy as a true distance horse so yes he can go a mile an a quarter so be carefull of this young horse. he has all the right connections.

timmyparkerson 02 Feb 2011 8:07 PM

Yet another Zito horse with no early speed

Tank 02 Feb 2011 10:36 PM

Da'Tara just kicked down part of his shed.

Kevroc 03 Feb 2011 2:49 AM

Any horse that can come from so far back has to be considered a Derby threat. I love his chances and Zito knows how to get a horse there

Frances 03 Feb 2011 6:43 AM

It is Feb. 3rd 2011 and I am keeping a close eye I on Ghost Is Clear and how the owners go about entering this horse in a race that they will be able to go in the K Derby if they win just one race with enough earnings.    I have watched this horse and this horse has that late kick in its blood from Awesome Again and along with the speed and control of its last race I think there is something very special about this horse.   The bloodline is all there for winning and now the jockey C Lanerie just has to learn to use it and work with it to go long.   This is my K.Derby pick 2011.

JOE 03 Feb 2011 7:35 AM

The fact that his dam has produced sprinters is a good point.

The fact that there is a resemblance to fly down( out of the same sire)is also a good point. However, This Horse reminds me of Strike the Gold. Zito's best compliment on this horse is his MIND. That is a big plus!

Eddie 03 Feb 2011 9:05 AM

Eddie:  

Horses are not "out of the same sire," they are "BY the same sire."

If you were talking about the mare, then the horse would be properly referred to as "out of".

Milton 03 Feb 2011 11:45 AM

Pedigree wise,I think distance will not be a problem for him,it certainly looked like he wants to go a route of ground the way he evened-out and lengthened his stride coming down the stretch.Dinard was a very good route horse and Dialed In's siblings by Seeking the Gold,Came Home & Elusive Quality had early lick,quite the opposite running styles.We'll see once he goes 2-turns and whether he still has that same kick...  

Carlos in Cali 03 Feb 2011 12:48 PM

This horse is legitimate; can he come from last behind 19 other horses to win though is a concern.

DanC 03 Feb 2011 2:22 PM

He seems to have great acceleration, but he needs to change leads properly and not get out with head turned in the stretch run.  He really goes when he levels out.  His Holy Bull was much better in that respect than his Maiden win.  Maybe he is learning and will overcome that problem.

Dave R 03 Feb 2011 7:15 PM

Dave R, I agree with you.  The scary part of his changing leads is that prior to his changing leads about the 1/16th pole, he was STILL running to and running past Sweet Ducky and Gourmet Dinner.  This horse is talented and, yet, very green.

Bigtex 03 Feb 2011 11:41 PM

Dialed In certainly looks the part of a come-from-behind Derby horse. I actually prefer closers who come from dead last because the rider has a clear view of traffic ahead (Ferdinand, Giacomo, Street Sense) and does not need to get boxed in waiting for an opening. The rider can save ground while hugging the rail and then move the horse out or around when ready to pounce. As for staying ability, I think Dialed In's pedigree should present no serious issues. He has shown no indication of laboring towards the end of either of his races and I belive he will continue to progress.

secretoo 04 Feb 2011 7:54 AM

when you talk about derby pedigree you most talk about class,form,pace,etc.remember giacomo  by holly bull a good runner but with suspect male line breeding to sire a derby winner and second place finisher by valid appeal son? well you better do your home work because in my opinion uncle mo has more overall pedigree power then both his only knocks?his sire that almost win the derby and a wet track?that he has never tasted this colt ran big at Churchill downs and the derby contenders look very suspects to me watch out experts.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 3:15 PM

bigtex dialed in will continue to progress but when the track announcer scream and down the stretch they come he will remember the m.t.livermoore that he has so close in his female family i am very clever to identified breeding mistakes to go ten furlongs i am sorry for him just going the wrong distance.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 3:51 PM

the only dual qualifiers to have a chance on paper are uncle mo,to honor and serve and sold at,but some horses ranked under 118 pounds are interesting to fallow,i am not including the champions in another country like Sunny's hello.patterns do not last forever and the purse money now is big,so when connections have  a horse with real class they measure the competition and try to go for it,holly bull ran 115 beyer in the florida derby then 113 in the blue grass and did bounce in the derby he did not qualified on dosage his song giacomo did not qualified on dosage nether and won the derby with a 100 beyer but was moving forward so class,form,pace,track condition and breeding are the real brilliant,intermediate,classic,solid and professional chef de races.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 4:59 PM

cuban chef de race,

Dave "And Down the Stretch They Come!" Johnson hasn't called the Derby since 2000.

Certainly worth noting about Mt. Livermore. But, there are seven other ancestors in that generation of Dialed In's pedigree, and I can't say picking out Mt. Livermore is really saying anything, especially considering his champion daughter should be a major source of class--easily as important as staying power.

Ian

Ian Tapp 04 Feb 2011 5:02 PM

remember last year? noble promise took the lead in the stretch and i knew that the clever trick by icecapade in his dam side was about to emerge like looking at lucky who i felt did not try  the belmont becouse clever trick do not worry we have time to hit a nice exacta.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 5:55 PM

ITapp the champion filly that you mention is eliza a fast filly that did not win the oaks even having bold bidder remember spectacular bid? as her broodmare sire the majority of my bets in the derby are base on pure experience and when i see a stallion like m.t.livermore i just remember housebuster,my passion for this game is so deep that that i can smell when something is wrong,the problem with m.t.livermore is in his dam and a.p.indy line with storm cat mares is not very productive yet class in the dam in the belmont try ap indy and eliza i bet you will lose.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 6:36 PM

cuban chef de race,

Sounds like a winning formula. I didn't realize you were the one who knew Noble's Promise had distance limitations going into the Derby. Fading efforts at 8.5f by a son of Cuvee had most of us thinking Belmont.

Ian

Ian Tapp 04 Feb 2011 7:47 PM

my concern about this derby is that mr money t.pletcher do not want any part with the $5,000.000 bonus by winning the holly bull or fountain of youth and the florida derby then the Preakness he can collect $500,000 for himself i did forget he has more money then that and want to avoid a hard fight before the derby like super saver two different s kind of horses with the same intentions? the $5,000.00 claiming race is like the lottery the Kentucky derby is more then that i think he want a fresh horse ready to explode in Churchill downs.answer me alydar.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 9:19 PM

well cuvee was a good two year old sprinter with some class by carson city a chef de race becouse barbaro but looking at lucky the derby favorite olso had clever trick is better to have two birds in your hand then two flying i want to help you make no mistake i am not perfect player but when i try  to let you know as all the friends in this great site is that no horse foundation is perfect, when i say clever trick,m.t.livermore,apalachee,valid appeal,proudest roman, iam not talking about la troinne i am looking for distance and class.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 10:34 PM

if i were a horse i want to be secretariat to tell you catch me if you can,we need to be realistic but when somebody loves the game like me is better to pay attention even when i know that i will not say who i think will win. i hope the friends in this site learn something and can decipher my sincerity,for me is better fappiano with mr prospector? then a.p.indy with d.minister i am talking derby i am no talking belmont no rags to reaches thanks.

cuban chef de race 04 Feb 2011 11:25 PM

I don't expect problems for Dialed In regarding distance.

Mike Relva 05 Feb 2011 12:00 AM

mr prospector by rise a native  14 derby winners in the last 31 years uncle mo by indian charly ,by the caro nashrullah line 2 winners in last31 years  h.t.reason fimale line 1 winner in last 31 years giacomo i need more time to bet.

cuban chef de race 05 Feb 2011 1:05 AM

Dialed In will not have distance problems.  Daring Bidder and Prospectors Delite take care of that issue. The comment on being way back and the advantages of seeing the entire field is interesting.  Making a move very late has not worked very often in the Derby but I would agree with the logic stated.  If this colt improves and learns to change leads sooner than he did in the Holy Bull..........yikes.......Uncle Mo will be looking over his shoulder at the winner in mid stretch.

dave york 05 Feb 2011 5:42 AM

Dialed in probably has the right racing strategy to make up for any distance deficiency in his breeding, and his turn of foot is amazing. I saw his Holy Bull effort on Youtube, and wow, I am thinking he will give Uncle Mo something to think about. Judging by the last couple of years of runups to the Derby, just the attrition rate due to soundness will tell the story on the pedigrees just as much as stamina in the actual race.

Early Speed 05 Feb 2011 8:37 AM

by a son of Cuvee

Judging by the conformation photo of Cuvee, he has a horrible front end. I am surprised he could even walk much less run. At least he is in a far land.

Early Speed 05 Feb 2011 8:39 AM

Dialed In needs to run against better horses to get a class gauge on him.He has all the potential to be with the top three year olds with mild improvement in his speed fiqures.

SF know 05 Feb 2011 1:25 PM

Who does Dialed In's slow breaks and come from behind style remind me of?  His great-great grandsire, of course.

will 05 Feb 2011 3:39 PM

remember the $5,000.000 bonus? well by winning the holly bull dialed in do not need to win the fountain of youth just the florida derby and i do expect him to ran well in florida derby,then will get a ton of money bet on him in the k.d and that will favor all the players who think like me,this is a talented horse but remember with no speed and m.t.livermore so close in his female family he will find the holly bull is not the derby the mother of all races.

cuban chef de race 05 Feb 2011 5:37 PM

Dialed in should be considered a MOST definite Derby threat should he be able to arrive there without injury and continued progress. His sire Mineshaft was 2003 Horse of the Year out of A.P.Indy, who was bred for the 1 1/4 mile distance and adds stamina to his pedigree, A.P.Indy won the 1992 Belmont not to mention he's out of Seattle Slew, winner of the 1977 Kentucky Derby adding even more stamina to his pedigree!Prospectors Delite, Mineshafts dam and a stakes winner herself is out of stakes winner Up The Flagpole, who is out of 1970 2 yr. old champion Hoist the Flag, descendant of the GREAT War Admiral! Dialed In's dam Miss Doolittle is out of stakes winner and 1992 champion filly Eliza who is out of a Bold Bidder mare. Bold Bidder sired Kentucky Derby winners Cannonade and Spectacular Bid. Eliza hails from the thouroughbred owner and breeder Allen Paulson, who established Brookside Farm and was a leading breeder for many years until his untimely death. Amongst his favorite stakes winners were Cigar, Ajina, Azeri, and his wife's dearest "Eliza". William S. Farish, one of the breeders of Dialed In, has bred more than 185 stakes winners, including 3 Horses of the Year, 6 Eclipse Award winners, 2 Preakness winners, and a Kentucky Derby Winner. Farish has developed Lane's End where the Immortal Zenyatta now stands, one of the world's top breeding, selling, and stallion operations. Mineshaft was also bred by Farish. I think La Penta did his homework. He knows this colts potential not to mention that having a trainer like Zito just adds to the HUGE list of LIKES. This colt is imbred to triple crown winner SECRETARIAT 4 x 4. Plenty of class, stamina, and WINNERS in this family tree! My Derby pick.

immortalZenyatta 05 Feb 2011 11:43 PM

all those great  champions that you mention immortal Kenyatta are not running in the 2011 derby , i know them all,dialed in is breed similar to last year derby place horse ice box also from zito,pulpit despite not running at 2 was more brilliant then mineshaft at 3 and to compare ice box dam was a grade two winner on grass at a mile and 3/8 eights her sire belmont winner tabasco cat,she also derby winner alysheba and close in the first 3 generations the dam of derby winner spend a buck.has dialed in more stamina then ice box in the real race?

cuban chef de race 06 Feb 2011 7:00 PM

immortalZenyatta has it pretty well summarized.

nothing is more exciting in racing than a super talented thoroughbred running down the speed.

Dialed In is my pick and my preference.

dave york 07 Feb 2011 5:37 PM

the immortalzenyatta is talking about the same dog with a different collar,dialed in and last year place horse ice box are from the same male and female line and ice box bottom line has belmont winner tabasco cat his dam was a grade two winner on grass at a mile and 3/8 by Kentucky derby winner alysheba and the dam of monster spend a buck a daughter of speak john right there in the third dam and pulpit was more talented then mineshaft at 3,similar breeding but storm cat and m.t.livermore as first and second broodmare sires,forge it.

cuban chef de race 07 Feb 2011 8:28 PM

cuban chef de race, I'm sorry but are we talking about the same Dialed In? My Dialed In does not have ENTIRELY the same female line as Ice Box, in fact my Dialed In is out of Mineshaft while Ice Box is out of Pulpit. Yes Mineshaft and Pulpit were both sired by the great A.P.Indy but even then they do not share the same dam. Pulpit is out of Preach while Mineshaft is out of Prospector's Delite. Yes these two mares are out of Mr. Prospector but thats where the similarities END. You see each dam has her own female line regardless of her sire line. There is no comparison between Preach and Prospector's Delite. Prospector's Delite descends from blue blood on her dam's side. She is royally bred. The name War Admiral says it all! Samuel D. Riddle's triple crown winner War Admiral is as ROYALLY bred as they come. The same applies to Ice Box and Dialed In's female family tree on the dam's side. Yes Miss Doolittle (Dialed In's dam) and Spice Island (Ice Box's dam) are both descendants of Storm Cat but that is also were the similarities end! Their sire lines while similar could not be more different on their dam side. Spice Island is out of Crown of Sheba, who is out of Belle de Jour, Battle Dress, Armorial, and so on. Who the HECK are they?  What impact did they have in the racing world? NONE. Miss Doolittle on the other hand is out of STAKES WINNER, ECLPISE AWARD WINNER, 1992 CHAMPION filly "ELIZA"....a great source of CLASS to say the LEAST! Eliza is out of Daring Bidder who was sired by the great Bold Bidder. Bold Bidder called The Wheatly stable home. Does the name Wheatly Stable ring a bell? How about Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons and Ogden Phipps? Who the HECK are they? Only a couple of the BEST and CLASSIEST this industry will ever know! They DEFINATELY knew CLASS and had nothing but the BEST in their stables. So you see, I must disagree, these two (Icebox and Dialed In) could not be more different! Female lines in my opinion DEFINE class or NO class. Dialed In DEFINATELY has class. I am not saying he's a lock to win the Derby by all means but he has the class, stamina, and build to get the mile and a quarter and don't get me started on breeders. There are breeders that breed to breed and breeders who breed to WIN, and W.S.Farish (Dialed In's breeder),is what legacies are made of. Winning on turf is great at a mile and 3/8, but the problem with that is that the Derby isn't run on the turf, it's run on dirt. Yes Mt. Livermore was a sprinter and the point is? Didn't Eliza win over a mile? Yes, she won the 1992 Breeders Cup Juvenile(G1), The 1993 Santa Anita Oaks(G1), The 1993 Arlington Lassie(G2),The 1992 Keenland Alcibiades(G2),just to mention a few . Mt. Livermore was seen as a sire of speed, a son of Blushing Groom (a brilliant miler), who has imparted speed and stamina to some of his offspring such as Blushing John (who ran at distances of 1 1/4 mile ), and Sky Beauty (winner at 1 1/4 mile). With the EXCEPTION of Mt. Livermore, Miss Doolittle's family tree has more than PLENTY of more than capable of getting a mile and a quarter ANCESTORS to make it happen for Dialed In. Storm Cat(who is synonymous and pretty much found in 9 out of every 10 bloodlines), Storm Bird (who produced such greats as Storm Song, Summer Squall, and Thunder Gulch), Northern Dancer(who produced the brilliant Danzig amongst the countless others), Secretariat(who produced the great Risen Star), Bold Bidder(who produced the great Spectacular Bid), and Bold Ruler (who produced triple crown winner Secretariat amongst the countless others) just to mention a few. I think his chances are good.

immortalZenyatta 08 Feb 2011 4:22 AM

I take it you are an UNCLE MO fan, cuban chef de race. Nothing wrong with that, EVERYONE else seems to think he's a lock for the Derby. I can't say I blame them, he's been pretty impressive. I won't get into his breeding and my thoughts on the matter, I don't want to write another novel. The one thing I will say is, he hasn't seen a field of 19 other horses that's for sure. Even if the owners and trainers know they don't have a CHANCE in the world, they'll enter their horses if they meet the entry criteria, SIMPLY because it's the Kentucky Derby! It happens every year. Too many times you'll see an INFERIOR horse beat a SUPERIOR horse because of all the little things that can go so wrong with a field of 20. Horses that have ABSOLUTELY no business end up at the starting gate. These are the horses that 9 times out of 10 will cause an overwhelming obstacle, shuffling, clipping heels, cuts, bruises, you name it. Clear of the pack, that's where you want to be and with the capability to unleash hell at that final turn. Your horse has to have some class, be mentally mature and finish like a pro. I will be rooting for Dialed In. I think Nick Zito would be insane NOT to take it slow and easy with this one and I am confident that he will as he has stated after The Holy Bull....last year the ENTIRE nation was locking in on Looking At Lucky, NO ONE expected him to lose let alone finish worse than second and I guarantee no one would of bet their ass off betting on Ice Box. Yes, he didn't win but that late charge of his will always stick with me....Zito had him wound up just right waiting patiently to unleash him in the Derby under the radar....well MARK my words....Dialed In is far more talented and Nick knows it. If anyone can train and prep a horse for the Derby....Zito is definately one of the BEST! By the way, I had Super Saver to win The Kentucky derby based on pedigree early In January last year. A copy of my Wynn(Las Vegas) $200 Ticket at odds of 35/1 (dated 2/24/2010),is framed on my wall amongst others in my collection. I've had some memorable Derby wins......but last year took the cake for me as a handicapper. Last years Derby is a perfect example of what CAN and most often than not WILL go wrong. Calvin Borel riding CLASS & PEDIGREE in the Kentucky Derby! How in the world did I get 35/1? !!! Simple. It makes sense when you look at the BIG picture. Is Looking At Lucky a better horse? Absolutely, but a field of 20 is tough for any horse, even a good one. Super Saver had shown some determination leading into the Derby even when losing by close to nothing, he was challenged, TRULY challenged down that stretch on more than one occassion in his races prior to The Derby and that mental preparation leading into The Derby is in my opinion KEY. Good luck to you.

immortalZenyatta 08 Feb 2011 5:38 AM

immortalzenyatta it look like you want to explore my winning kingdom.open the gate,i will start on the lead telling you that the little difference between mineshaft's dam and pulpit's dam is overtaken by the strong stamina influences in ice box's bottom line ,you can not compare something that hasn't be done like mineshaft-storm cat- m.t.livermore !! in a classic 10 furlongs race like pulpit-tabasco cat-alysheba did last year getting second place in the derby,this without mention the dam by speak john of one of the fastest Kentucky derby winners ever the great spend a buck ,are you talking serious about mineshaft-storm cat-m.t.livermore triple ? what kind of breeding books are you reading?you are going to wake up with a losing ticket ,good luck master.

cuban chef de race 08 Feb 2011 3:52 PM

you know to draw a horse line? pay attention ,at two maiden wine police did beat soldat by more then two lengths then wine police was beaten in the G1 hopeful stakes by almost three lengths by boys at toscanova who then was beaten by u.mo in the b.c.j.by almost 5 lenghts!! wow pedigree or high class? if uncle mo keep the same level of form his is going to avenge his talented sire and his obscure grand sire in excess  by Siberian express by caro ,who  broke the track record in the jokey club gold cup at belmont running the mile and a quarter in 1:58 and change and uncle mo female line is loaded with class and stamina be careful.

cuban chef de race 08 Feb 2011 4:23 PM

i actually got the chills watching his maiden win. incredible colt.

wow oh wow 08 Feb 2011 4:30 PM

well immortalzenyatta i also won with supersaver at 35/1 and you have not mention the belmont exacta and super i won in that one two and i do have prove with my twinspire betting account i think i am a little ahead becouse i did win in the belmont too,so you have some caching to do but thinking dialed in  you will never catch me.

cuban chef de race 08 Feb 2011 5:18 PM

remember last year b.c.c. the 1 and 2 finishers blame and zenyatta? well blame's sire arch is the broodmare sire of uncle mo and zenyatta'broodmare sire kris s is the sire of blame's sire arch!! a future broodmare sire superstar,now uncle Mo's sire indian charly who ran a 111 beyer when he won the santa anita derby did not have the female family to get the job done and lost the derby ran at a fast pace by less then 2 lenghts,his son uncle mo has who? arch,kris s,danzig,aurora,althea,dixieland band,roberto princequillo,alydar wow i am going to scratch my horse!!.

cuban chef de race 08 Feb 2011 6:56 PM

 Seeing how this was only his second career start I would say he did a great Job. Dialed in was only 4 lengths off at the 3/4 pole. Then he chewed em up, even after running at slow fractions. He is certainly a legitimate threat.

Sea The Stars 09 Feb 2011 5:41 AM

storm cat is by storm bird out of a secretariat and crimson Satan mare ,m.t.livermore is by blushing groom out of a crimson Satan mare!that is the problem with this mating too much sprint influence twice by crimson satan that is the real dialed in many handicapers think is going to fly at c.d,let's see. now summer squall is by storm bird out of a secretariat and buckpasser mare he did sire a kentucky derby winner and is the broodmare sire of belmont winner summer bird,storm cat and summer squall,can you compare crimson Satan twice in dialed in botton line with buckpasser? just a coment.

cuban chef de race 09 Feb 2011 6:35 PM

aptitude a son of a.p.indy out dokky a daughter of the immortal northern dancer and alluvial by other legend the great buckpasser was beaten twice in the wood and derby by fusaichi pegasus ,what a.p.indy has better breeding then aptitude??,pay attention to class body.

cuban chef de race 09 Feb 2011 10:10 PM

Cuban chef de race, with all due respect, there is such a thing called CLASS in the racing industry as well as in the Human world and some people seriously lack it ESPECIALLY when someone challenges their comments. The books I have read are books approved by THE DAILY RACING PRESS with proven facts throughout the years such as past performances, breeder and trainer insight, etc. I can read....and I know what I have read. How do I know that....because I can write. I went to school unlike some who shall remain unnamed. Truth be told, I seriously doubt some of the comments or so called pieces of information shared in the last two blogs but that is the LEAST of my worries. It means NOTHING to me. All I can say is NO CLASS speaks out in anger, frustration, and idiocy instead of speaking out in FRIENDLY competition with etiquette and dignity. Points of view are to be RESPECTED. I respect everyones pick and point of view in this blog. No need for getting GETTO!

ImmortalZenyatta 10 Feb 2011 12:38 PM

Yeah, Cuban. Please don't get GETTO up in here.

Ian Tapp 10 Feb 2011 1:56 PM

Show me the MONEY!!! You can talk and talk just like those clowns on TVG. Settle it with a handicapping tourny on the key races leading up to and including the derby. Somebody invite that over rated Andy Beyer as well. I'm all in baby!

The Great Sunday Silence 10 Feb 2011 8:10 PM

Well the Great Sunday Silence is correct. Some people are all talk Chef. You all are over betting a horse who has only ran two races. Both at ONE turn. Time will show that he isn't that good since he can not keep pace. Figures, statistics, sires, and grand sires are not the ones who run the big race. That horse gets left at the gate in the derby and he has NO chance little Zenyata girl. You mentioned 200 last year, what do you have wagered this year since you seem to wager in January? You might make history because you seem to buck the trends, at least last year you did. Every body gets excited early for the Kentucky Derby and any horse who wins they jump on his bandwagon big Chefaroo. What odds do you have on Uncle Mo 4 to 1? Or are you holding out for the exacta? You folks keep focusing on the great great grand sires anybody can get lucky sometime. Remember that Granpa doesn't run the big race and I WILL have the winner and the exacta on Derby Day. Good Night Now!

Pro Capper 11 Feb 2011 3:25 PM

Well, Pro Capper...The Great Sunday Silence is ABSOLUTELY right....he only happens to be one of the GREATEST handicappers I PERSONALLY happen to know! As for who I have this year, my experiences over the years have taught me that a year such as this with a HEAVY early favorite, the Derby can be won by the LEAST expected at a NICE price. Do I have a ticket? ABSOLUTELY. I don't like to wait UNTIL Derby day to make a WIN bet. WIN or LOSE, at the very least it is done with CONVICTION.

ImmortalZenyatta 12 Feb 2011 12:40 PM

Well Zen Lady if The Great Sunday Silence is such a great handicapper who does he like for the derby? I hope he has won a few times since Sunday won it. And if he is a great handicapper I am sure he layed it ALL on Blame in the Breeders Cup, unlike some inferior handicappers who bet the mare. As for the early favorite not winning the derby, your dialed in is now the choice of many over the immortal Uncle Mo. Where are Sea the Stars and Cuban Chef? Have they gone all in on Dialed In and Uncle Mo? I want to hear from The Great Sunday Silence as well. He knocks Beyer figures and so do I, but I love his ice cream! Good Night Now!!!

Pro Capper 12 Feb 2011 8:15 PM

Easy now....Pro Capper, let's NOT forget that the mare you are referring to holds the "HORSE OF THE YEAR" title like it or not. That was made possible by many professionals in the Industry whom I admire and respect. Respect is due to this GREAT mare and her connections. Sure, she didn't quite win the Breeder's Cup Classic last year but I can't think of too many horses who have won 19 races in a row, can you? If so, please shoot me their names because I haven't come across them in YEARS...NO....DECADES....and YES, the GREAT SUNDAY SILENCE is all in for the Derby but I'll let HIM disclose any and all info in regards to that if he so chooses. No need to knock you or ANYONE in this blog...NOT my style so I'll refrain from stooping to that level. I obviously have come across too many GLORIFIED claimers who like to TALK. There is no need for that, anyone can TALK the TALK but can they WALK the WALK? Not many, that's for sure. Oh, and bucking trends....far from it. You've got to KNOW someone before you can make remarks and I SERIOUSLY doubt that ANYONE here actually knows the rest of the bloggers' handicapping skills. We're all going to have a DIFFERENT point of view, DIFFERENT handicapping styles, and DIFFERENT Derby picks. All in good fun, as it should be, keep it PROFESSIONAL and RESPECTFUL guys. Zenyatta is and forever will be an immortalized LEGEND in this industry. Blame and his connections have my respect but Zenyatta and her connections are in a league of their own. To the GREAT SUNDAY SILENCE, If my horse doesn't make the cut....I am DEFINATELY rooting for you! Your pick sure looks GOOD and at the ODDS you got.....WATCH OUT!

ImmortalZenyatta 13 Feb 2011 4:29 AM

Pro Capper, I almost forgot....in regards to your comment about my horse now being favored over Uncle Mo by many, YES, you are right but I NEVER concern myself with other handicapper trends. He was MY pick BEFORE the HOLY BULL not after. The fact that so many have jumped on his bandwagon ACTUALLY upsets me and in regards to my comment, honors for EARLY DERBY FAVORITE still go to Uncle Mo as the Future Book Odds have it in LAS VEGAS at 4/1. I AM SORRY, BUT HAVE YOU DISCLOSED YOUR PICK?

ImmortalZenyatta 13 Feb 2011 4:51 AM

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