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The Tribe has Spoken! - Curlin tops potential matings for Rachel Alexandra

With close to 500 responses, the TrueNicks community overwhelmingly picked Horse of the Year Curlin to top the potential matings for super mare Rachel Alexandra. Some would say that it was an unsurprising result given the ownership of the two horses, but it was a very competitive voting process and there were a number of stallions who were well regarded by the community. In order the top 7 stallions by voting were:

  1. Curlin (TrueNicks,SRO)
  2. A.P. Indy (TrueNicks,SRO)
  3. Tiznow (TrueNicks,SRO)
  4. Dynaformer (TrueNicks,SRO)
  5. Street Cry (IRE) (TrueNicks,SRO)
  6. Big Brown (TrueNicks,SRO)
  7. Birdstone (TrueNicks,SRO)

As promised,we have prepared a Pedigree Consultants mating analysis for the mare which you can download here along with the TrueNicks Reports for the two regions (North American matches and Worldwide matches) that we ran earlier in the year. For those that are interested, Alan's pick outside of what the community suggested is the Claiborne stallion Pulpit (TrueNicks,SRO), a sire that we believe this year is particularly well priced.

We are delighted that the TrueNicks community took such an active involvement in helping us set up this report to present to Mr. Jackson. We really appreciate all the feedback that we have gotten from the community and while we could not include all the details on the final report, there were some outstanding suggestions and comments that really helped make the report what it is.

For those interested in ordering their own TrueNicks broodmare analysis report, please click here.

 


 

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28 Comments:

I think BB has 10 times the stallion potential then Curlin does. With BB's pedigree he'll be the next Danehill at stud.

Joe 05 Nov 2009 10:47 AM

Curlin and Rachel, excellent mating choice! Can't wait to see your foals.

Burling 05 Nov 2009 1:38 PM

the best distance horse i ever saw.

sea of stars 05 Nov 2009 1:55 PM

I'd be concerned that Big Brown would pass on his unsoundness to his foals.  His courage and powerful run are pluses.

smartysgal 05 Nov 2009 2:26 PM

Of course! I could have told you that CURLIN is the man!!! :-)

CURLINLOVER 05 Nov 2009 2:36 PM

The best horse would be Hard Spun... could you imagine ????

draynay 05 Nov 2009 2:37 PM

I had strongly advocated A.P.Indy. but Curlin is possibly the "most handsome" and great bloodlines. Perhaps A.P. down the road.

Sgtrachel 05 Nov 2009 2:44 PM

how could you ever pick curlin over a.p. indy

mike rullo 05 Nov 2009 2:48 PM

I THINK TIZNOW WOULD BE BETTER. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN YOU BREED THE BEST RACE HORSE  WITH THE BEST RACE HORSE ( BIG NAME ONES) 8 OUT OF TEN TIMES YOU GET AVERAGE AT BEST. IT'S NOT THE WAY TO GO IN MOST CASES AND THE REAL HORSEMEN KNOW THIS. THERE IS TOO MUCH RICH BLOOD. YOU NEED AVERAGE AND BEST OR AVERAGE AND AVERAGE IN THE FIRST LINE ALONG WITH NUMEROUS OTHER FACTORS. THINK OF THE GREAT RACEHORSES, DR. FAGER, KELSO, FOREGO, ETC,. YOU WON'T FIND GREAT NAMES IN THEIR FIRST LINE, BUT IN THE 2ND OR 3RD OR 4TH GENERATION LINE YOU WILL.

dtt4762 05 Nov 2009 3:36 PM

SKIP AWAY- This great racehorse needs a chance to reproduce himself with a great mare.  Bonus- no more Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, Raise A Native.  Bonus- Get have affinity for Poly - unlike Roar.  Mr. Jackson, don't forget to visit the Preserve Endangered Bloodlines winner's circle with your horses as well.  And best of luck to Curlin, our American treasure.

Treasured Bloodlines 05 Nov 2009 4:01 PM

give skip away his best shot at reproducing himself.

garfs29 05 Nov 2009 7:03 PM

The 'unsoundness' idea of Big Brown passing it along to his offspring is plain nonsense. Boundary, the sire of Big Brown, had foot issues the same as Big Brown but neither of Boundary's other top offspring had soundness issues like Minardi (2yo champion horse in Ireland and Great Britain) and Pomeroy (Grade 1 sprinter). Big Brown will pass his foot issues to some of his offspring but for the most part it shouldn't be much of an issue, Big Brown never had anything career threatening, just quarter cracks. Big Brown's pedigree has far more potenial then Curlin's does but we'll see after a few years.

Joe 05 Nov 2009 9:55 PM

I absolutely adore all the horses listed on this page, but at the same time I'd love to see what Rachel would do when crossed with Distorted Humor or Hard Spun. :)  However, given her Dam's produce record, I worry that Rachel will have a hard time in the foaling barn.

Swanmate 05 Nov 2009 10:25 PM

I agree with you Treasuredbllodlines. No more ND,MP, or RAN.

Anne 05 Nov 2009 10:34 PM

BB wouldn't have gotten my vote with the soundness issues he had. Curlin would actually be my third choice behind AP Indy and Tiznow.

LDP 05 Nov 2009 10:36 PM

I can't believe Giant's Causeway didn't make the list; in my opinion he would cross beautifully with her.

Flynne 05 Nov 2009 11:28 PM

I agree with Skip Away.  But why not Street Cry?  He's about as fine of a horse as you can get and well proven internationally.  I like the Nasrullah emphasis.  But that said, what about Invasor?

LastingOne 06 Nov 2009 12:01 AM

Can't you just imagine how popular Curlin's and Rachel's foals will be? But this is more genetics and science than just people's favorites "getting together".  True Nicks takes genetics into their estimates and calculations. And true! The best super horses don't always beget the best offspring.  We shall see and hope.  I, for one, can't wait for the inevitable - Curlin and Rachel getting together.  I just hope Swanmate isn't right about foaling trouble for Rachel! Maybe we'll know more when Curlin's foals start arriving in January. Exciting times! Enjoy the Breeders Cup!!!

Go Curlin!!!!!!!!!!!!

CURLINLOVER 06 Nov 2009 9:16 AM

This is ridiculous..Discussing possible matings for Rachel Alexandra,  you should all be discussing Rachel's odds or chances of winning tomorrows Breeders Cup Classic.  However, we all know why she's not running,  because her owner is afraid of losing and that's exactly what would happen if Rachel ran in the Clssic or Ladies Classic,  she would lose. Then again,  she needs to stay in the barn,  who wants to see a loser or a competition dodger.

Whatever 06 Nov 2009 9:17 AM

@ Whatever:  If her owner was afraid of losing, he wouldn't be bringing her back for another year.  If he was afraid of losing, he wouldn't have brought Curlin back for a 4-year old season.  You might want to make sure your head is attached to the proper end of your body before you start bashing and trying to bring everybody down.

Anathema 06 Nov 2009 11:27 AM

And the name would be:

Curlin R

or

Rachael C

smsudad 06 Nov 2009 12:37 PM

Hey Whatever....I'm a Zenyatta fan and I've never bought the Jackson's story of not running Rachel in the Breeder's Cup because of the synthetic surface but believing it was more about not facing Zenyatta. I'm just ticked off that alot are saying that even if Zenyatta WINS on Saturday (which I have no doubt that she will) it may not be enough to beat Rachel out for Horse of The Year.  Any thoughts?

CarolinaJude 06 Nov 2009 2:37 PM

Why did Any Given Saturday get a slightly lower variant score than his sire Distorted Humor?

Also, I don't really get why you didn't include Distorted Humor as a recommendation.

Michael Ventura 06 Nov 2009 8:29 PM

Big Brown does not belong on this list. He should have been gelded. His family is full of injuries and inbreeding. I think Street Cry would be a great match for Rachel.

Brittany 07 Nov 2009 7:33 PM

Brittany, take your PETA bs somewhere else, Big Brown's family is also full of Kentucky Derby, Preakness stakes champions and as well as many other champions. Don't make anymore sick comments on here.

Camron 07 Nov 2009 10:36 PM

Dalakhani is a proven stallion that would give the successful Mill Reef/Shirley Heights over Sadlers Wells cross.  Also Sea The Stars is a promising stallion that would balance Rachel well (incidentally, their bloodlines also produced Galileo).

Badynski 08 Nov 2009 9:32 PM

When I heard Jackson say he wanted to breed the perfect horse, AP Indy and Curlin both came to my mind. I believe AP Indy would be the better choice. I don't claim to know much about horse breeding, but what is all this "free of Norther Dancer and Mr. Prospector blood BS about. Incredible racehorses.  Wake up people these horses are responsible for the base blood that all breeders wanted. What gives with this mindset?

wes 09 Nov 2009 12:05 AM

greetings.though cape cross does not merit as high a rating as other green desert sire-sons, a closer look at sea the stars over rachel alexandra would suggest that this is a match made in heaven.alan, please share your thoughts on this particular cross.thanks.

jose y. quiros 09 Dec 2009 11:18 PM

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